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| 01:04.12 | sixfeet_ | sooo n8 |
| 01:10.50 | wehttamb | hi |
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| 04:24.22 | bradya | Hello OpenMoko people! |
| 04:26.57 | bradya | is the OpenMoko SDK available as a VMWare virtual machine? |
| 04:26.58 | aloril | bradya: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 04:43.02 | pjz | Wow |
| 04:43.10 | pjz | OpenMoko has too much NIH |
| 04:43.17 | pjz | Case in point: alarm daemon |
| 04:43.34 | pjz | ...there's this venerable thing called 'atd'... |
| 05:00.56 | pjz | or, heck, it looks like maemo has an 'alarmd' that's more suitable |
| 05:26.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Alarm_daemon]] |
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| 06:35.22 | SpeedEvil | Alarm deemon may be wanted to do lots more than atd though. |
| 06:35.40 | SpeedEvil | Alarm on [lack of] bluetooth proximity, GPS, ... |
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| 07:25.14 | simon | counter? |
| 07:25.14 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a week, 4 days 14:17:22 (11.595 +-11.6 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-02); 4 months, 3 weeks, 3 days (147.191 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (957,167) |
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| 07:42.10 | wehttamb | where is the counter |
| 07:42.17 | wehttamb | where can i find it |
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| 07:44.11 | Moo^ | wehttamb: just type coutner |
| 07:44.12 | Moo^ | counter |
| 07:44.12 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 14:07:54 (11.589 +-11.6 days) (958,168) |
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| 07:44.47 | abraxa__ | ...though it's more a fun toy than anything accurate ;) |
| 07:45.11 | Moo^ | rand()*2weeks + rand()*365? :o |
| 07:45.31 | Moo^ | what's this number? (958,168) |
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| 07:46.34 | mikesh | (number of couter views, unique views) |
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| 07:46.37 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 14:06:41 (11.588 +-11.6 days) (959,168) |
| 07:46.50 | Moo^ | ah |
| 07:46.57 | Moo^ | i thought it was 958 *freaking* thousand |
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| 07:59.09 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 14:00:25 (11.584 +-11.6 days) (960,169) |
| 07:59.19 | wehttamb | counter? |
| 07:59.20 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a week, 4 days 14:00:20 (11.584 +-11.6 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-02); 4 months, 3 weeks, 3 days (147.167 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (961,169) |
| 07:59.23 | wehttamb | cool |
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| 08:13.39 | inz | pjz, maemo's alarmd is quite maemo specific in many places... |
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| 08:22.21 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 13:48:49 (11.576 +-11.6 days) (962,169) |
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| 08:51.29 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:53.23 | abraxa_ | Morning! |
| 08:56.24 | rycuda | Morning. |
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| 09:02.45 | ewanm89 | morning |
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| 09:06.28 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 13:26:46 (11.560 +-11.6 days) (963,169) |
| 09:07.19 | rycuda | It's like being a kid waiting for christmas morning again. |
| 09:09.25 | rycuda | I'm still stuck wondering if I can justify getting the P1 model when the P1.5 is threatening to have wifi. |
| 09:09.43 | rycuda | Does anyone know what the discount that's mentioned on the site will be? |
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| 09:13.32 | abraxa_ | rycuda: Nope but the discount will be announced when P1 starts |
| 09:14.39 | rycuda | I'll just have to hope that it's enough that I can persuade myself that I /can/ afford both. Thanks for the info abraxa_ |
| 09:14.51 | abraxa_ | rycuda: Yeah, same here ;) |
| 09:15.02 | abraxa_ | Though I know I won't be able to resist P1... |
| 09:15.38 | rycuda | I doubt I'll be able to either abraxa_. Especially since my PDA has gone missing and my phone is showing signs of death. |
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| 09:20.39 | rycuda | Have any nifty ideas beyond the normal for it abraxa_ ? |
| 09:21.49 | abraxa_ | Whatcha mean? |
| 09:25.39 | rycuda | Spatially aware device with net access. I live in a house with 3 other geeks, we've got zoned audio going on an MPD server. it'd be nice if it knew when I left for wor so it could stop waking me up with music =) |
| 09:27.28 | abraxa_ | Sounds fun! |
| 09:28.08 | abraxa_ | I myself am more "conservative" when it comes to app development cause I'll mainly use it as an "improved" organizer |
| 09:28.20 | abraxa_ | So I wanna get the base apps up and running asap |
| 09:31.16 | rycuda | Probably more sensible. That's the want/need devide though. I need the pim stuff. I want the ubiquitous computing stuff. |
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| 09:43.23 | Magon | alphaone: hi, are you there? |
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| 11:36.33 | ecraven | when is that? |
| 11:36.36 | buz | counter |
| 11:36.37 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 12:11:41 (11.508 +-11.5 days) (964,169) |
| 11:36.56 | aloril2 | 23 days |
| 11:37.37 | buz | i'd be more interested in a p1.5 estimate by now |
| 11:37.55 | aloril2 | rumor says its subcontractor problem: LCD yield is 15% |
| 11:38.14 | buz | mhh |
| 11:38.14 | koen | so any p<number> will be delayed |
| 11:38.30 | buz | that depends on the contract with the subcontractor really |
| 11:38.47 | koen | not really |
| 11:38.54 | koen | the lcd dudes can't deliver |
| 11:39.21 | koen | the openmoko dudes don't have a replacement |
| 11:39.22 | koen | delays |
| 11:39.22 | buz | well, they might not be able to deliver in volume |
| 11:39.22 | koen | unless the contract has "time machine" in it |
| 11:39.45 | buz | or a clause forcing the lcd dudes to produce as much crap as they need to get working units |
| 11:40.33 | buz | if it's really a subcontractors fault, then i wonder why fic doesnt communicate it |
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| 11:46.11 | MetaBookfoziS | hey guys! |
| 11:46.18 | MetaBookfoziS | not to this channel, sry:D |
| 11:49.44 | aloril2 | buz: maybe they consider it bad manner to pulicly blame them |
| 11:50.22 | buz | well, they need not say whom is delaying it, saying a crucial part is not available in quantity would be good enough |
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| 11:50.50 | buz | but then again, i never quite understood asian ideas of politeness |
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| 11:52.33 | buz | i've been wondering about that for a while now |
| 11:52.36 | koen | probably now |
| 11:52.42 | koen | since the PCBs are ready |
| 11:53.24 | koen | s/now/no/ |
| 11:53.26 | koen | ehm |
| 11:53.30 | koen | now/not |
| 11:53.48 | buz | i think it would depend on how long until p1.5 pcb are ready |
| 11:54.08 | buz | if those can be ready very soon, it might make sense to skip 1.0 |
| 11:54.39 | koen | I get the feeling FIC is sitting on a few k pcbs without a screen |
| 11:54.44 | aloril2 | with enough LCD delay there could instead be 2 different models |
| 11:54.59 | buz | a QVGA lowend product? |
| 11:55.26 | hrw | official way is that p1.5 (gta01bv5) is not ready and gta01bv4 is in tests to fix some problems |
| 11:56.08 | buz | in that case they might not be sitting on a few k v4 |
| 11:56.23 | buz | or might have to dispose of them anyhow |
| 11:57.08 | hrw | but I do not know how it looks internally |
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| 12:06.22 | hrw|gone | balrog-kun: bv5 is a name which I used for socalled p1.5 device |
| 12:10.02 | balrog-kun | hrw|gone: it says "GTA01Bv4 - v4 of the Prototype with Bluetooth - This is Phase 1" |
| 12:10.11 | balrog-kun | and then "GTA02 - The improvied GTA01 - This is Phase 1+ and Phase 2" |
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| 13:04.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 13:39.03 | sannes | counter |
| 13:39.03 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 11:10:28 (11.466 +-11.5 days) (965,169) |
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| 14:06.42 | abraxa_ | Anyone around who has access to the OpenMoko SVN? |
| 14:07.09 | abraxa_ | (and OE SVN) |
| 14:09.10 | abraxa_ | err... OE monotone, of course. |
| 14:10.04 | hrw | I have access to OE |
| 14:11.36 | abraxa_ | It's just something minor: in conf/distro/include/openmoko.inc it says DISTRO_NAME="OpenMoKo" and I thought it would be nice to correct it :) |
| 14:12.08 | hrw | add patch to openmoko bugzilla |
| 14:12.20 | hrw | OpenMoKo was first name |
| 14:12.39 | abraxa_ | Ah okay |
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| 14:13.18 | abraxa_ | Will do |
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| 14:24.19 | pjz | is there something like http://www.symonds.id.au/marcopolo/ for linux? |
| 14:24.28 | pjz | if so, we need it on openmoko |
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| 14:25.16 | guaqua | there's geoclue |
| 14:25.43 | guaqua | i've been thinking of implementing a backend for geoclue that works like marcopolo |
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| 14:27.22 | pjz | I was just thinking it would take openmoko to a slightly higher level if you could do things like 'show me nearby contacts' |
| 14:27.38 | pjz | or even just make location-aware todo lists |
| 14:27.59 | guaqua | it's been discussed |
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| 14:28.12 | pjz | normal todo items, but with a checkbox 'alert me when I'm near location X' |
| 14:30.35 | r4kY | pjz: that sounds like a very bright idea. i'm just commenting it to show that there are tinterest in it ;) |
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| 14:31.27 | pjz | r4kY: oh, I'm sure it's on the wishlist somewhere |
| 14:32.32 | r4kY | pjz: hehe.. probably.. i'm just reading a little on the channel, not knowing to much about the project itself, and saw something i wantet to comment ;) |
| 14:33.13 | r4kY | pjz: but it would be a pretty fancy feature :) |
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| 14:35.14 | guaqua | that is a feature we definitely need |
| 14:35.29 | guaqua | but it's just one aspect of location awareness |
| 14:38.19 | pjz | Yeah, also need to be able to tag locations with convenient names and do automatic setting of things (like device profile) based on location (eg. vibrate mode in movie theaters) |
| 14:38.34 | pjz | lots of things should be more location-aware |
| 14:39.32 | Vegar | I can imagine power consumption being a problem |
| 14:39.36 | Vegar | if the GPS is on all the time |
| 14:40.01 | r4kY | it would allso be nice if it could tell about historic events perheaps.. if your on vication, you would get a notice when your aproaching a landmark or a historic event. og even let users share experiences that apply to a specific location |
| 14:40.02 | pjz | it doesn't have to be solely GPS based |
| 14:40.02 | guaqua | it's not on all the time |
| 14:40.25 | pjz | bluetooth based, for instance |
| 14:40.34 | pjz | or wifi based (if/when we get wifi) |
| 14:40.42 | guaqua | pjz: exactly |
| 14:41.00 | SpeedEvil | GPS isn't really bad. |
| 14:41.15 | SpeedEvil | It's the CPU being on all the time consequencially that'll kill you. |
| 14:41.28 | SpeedEvil | GPS is probably around half of 'slow mode' power use. |
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| 14:41.59 | SpeedEvil | However, you can take a GPS position in 1 second, and sleep for a minute. |
| 14:42.17 | guaqua | benefit of agps |
| 14:42.20 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 14:42.25 | SpeedEvil | Nothing to do with AGPS. |
| 14:42.30 | SpeedEvil | It's just normal GPS. |
| 14:42.36 | pjz | heck, for location awareness, could sleep for 2-5 minutes |
| 14:42.53 | guaqua | well, with remembering the rough location of the satellites |
| 14:42.57 | SpeedEvil | The 'A' part only really comes in to play when for some reason you can't see the sky for 12 minutes sometime every few weks. |
| 14:43.06 | pjz | or even base sleep time on observed speed |
| 14:43.39 | pjz | eg. I'm not moving much so the sleep time could get longer and longer |
| 14:43.53 | guaqua | optimal case would be that it'd wake up every hour or so |
| 14:44.18 | pjz | depends on if you want location-specific alarms |
| 14:44.23 | pjz | then you'll need better checking |
| 14:44.28 | guaqua | true |
| 14:44.42 | guaqua | maybe 5 minutes is good |
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| 14:44.49 | pjz | b/c I can certainly go to the store and be back in an hour. Difficult to do that in, say, 5 or maybe even 10 mins. |
| 14:46.12 | guaqua | there's no optimal frequency for all use |
| 14:46.32 | guaqua | but 5 minutes sounds nice |
| 14:46.49 | guaqua | however, the phone should also check it's location before ringing |
| 14:47.16 | guaqua | so that if the location did indeed change it wouldn't cause anything embarrassing to the trusting user :) |
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| 14:50.42 | buz | location checking should be done on a sliding scale |
| 14:50.57 | buz | if the last location was remarkably different than the current one, frequency should increase |
| 14:51.02 | pjz | check when if it gets 'woken up' too |
| 14:51.10 | buz | because chances are that you are "on the road " |
| 14:51.28 | buz | then after some minutes of barely any changes you can lower the frequency again |
| 14:57.02 | guaqua | i just don't know if it's any use knowing the exact place you are in if you are for example driving? |
| 14:59.54 | GaKkGaKk | So... When you are at home with access to a charger, the phone doesn't use power.. Then when you are "on the road" with no access to power... The GPS will eat your battery... And as you run home to charge it, it uses bettery even faster :D |
| 15:01.33 | guaqua | GaKkGaKk: exactly :) |
| 15:01.52 | guaqua | Reverse Intelligence |
| 15:02.58 | roh | GaKkGaKk you only need the gps when setting up the location to ringtone/profile mapping. |
| 15:03.58 | roh | when you know how the mapping looks you can store the gsm cellids which you already have when you are a gsm phone which rings and use that as 'location' |
| 15:04.42 | guaqua | cell id is just another way of determining the location |
| 15:04.48 | roh | its not perfectly sharp, but works well enough for 'never ring in university or school, just use the vibra there' |
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| 15:10.10 | pjz | cell id is the lowest power usage location detector; it's essentially free with GSM |
| 15:10.46 | hrw | pjz: cellid is not up to few kilometers? |
| 15:10.51 | pjz | so maybe it should be used as a first approximation |
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| 15:11.11 | pjz | and only turn on the GPS once we're in a cellid that we know holds an interesting location |
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| 15:12.10 | pjz | so as long as we're in a cellID that we know doesn't have any interesting locations, we can avoid powering up the GPS |
| 15:12.37 | pjz | of course, to do that we have to have gone to all our interesting locations and noticed the cellids there :) |
| 15:14.21 | SpeedEvil | cell ID is at most 15Km diameter. |
| 15:14.21 | r4kY | pjz: or, if it's many km's away, you know that it's not on the cellid you are near of, so you don't need to power on the gps anyway? |
| 15:14.23 | SpeedEvil | Or is it radius. |
| 15:14.45 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - cell tower, assuming they don't reuse IDs. |
| 15:15.03 | Vegar | what if several cell ids are available? |
| 15:15.15 | SpeedEvil | GPS is essentially free - if you only query it once every 5 mins. |
| 15:15.42 | roh | guaqua cellid in cities is max a few hundred metres |
| 15:16.06 | roh | were not in a third world state most of the time, and on the road you propably don't care at all |
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| 15:17.13 | SpeedEvil | For GPS, a position every 5 minutes drains the battery by 1/1800th a day. |
| 15:17.27 | GaKkGaKk | That is wild... |
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| 15:17.57 | guaqua | SpeedEvil: but also have to take into account the fact that you need processor for it every tiem |
| 15:18.00 | GaKkGaKk | Then why can we not have a GPS that shows position every 5 minutes... and lasts for 1800 days? |
| 15:18.03 | GaKkGaKk | :) |
| 15:18.05 | SpeedEvil | It's probably more like 1/1000th if you have to wake up from suspend, go to sleep mode, do the GPS, do the sums, go to sleep. |
| 15:18.25 | SpeedEvil | It'd probably last > 1 year - if that was all you did. |
| 15:18.42 | SpeedEvil | The cellphone bit uses orders of magnitudes more power. |
| 15:18.47 | GaKkGaKk | Not if it had a screen... :\ |
| 15:19.09 | SpeedEvil | The cellphone bit (idle) and the GPS bit uses about the same power. |
| 15:19.20 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - that's assuming screen is off. |
| 15:23.04 | roh | SpeedEvil i wouldnt want to give any prediction how much power something on the phone uses atm. and i even have one already |
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| 15:31.34 | SpeedEvil | It's reasonable to assume that with the CPU in 'off' mode, it uses no power. |
| 15:31.51 | SpeedEvil | Or nearly no power. |
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| 15:32.06 | SpeedEvil | And I'm comparing similar functionality GPS chips. |
| 15:32.19 | roh | SpeedEvil to assume anything atm is completely guessing. |
| 15:32.29 | SpeedEvil | To an extent, yes. |
| 15:32.32 | roh | and there is no similar choip. |
| 15:32.44 | roh | eh chip |
| 15:32.50 | SpeedEvil | The maxim MAX??? is moderately similar. |
| 15:32.59 | roh | or at least i know of no other device which the gl thingie |
| 15:33.05 | SpeedEvil | It has no GPS preamp onboard. |
| 15:33.25 | roh | there is a preamp and the GL gps 'softmodem' |
| 15:33.29 | SpeedEvil | You have to start out with the fact that datasheets are rarely complete lies though. |
| 15:34.05 | roh | normal ones have an own arm7 just for calculating the position added inside the gps |
| 15:34.10 | SpeedEvil | Anyway - the GPS chip simlpy can't use as much power so as to be comparable with the GSM in idle, when constantly powered. |
| 15:35.04 | SpeedEvil | I mean with the GPS pulsed every minute. |
| 15:35.24 | roh | SpeedEvil as i said. no problem at all. regardless of gps or gsm because the gsm is in standby and you only need the position when it rings. when you just carry it around the phone does not need to care where it is |
| 15:35.36 | roh | no pulsating. whatfor? |
| 15:36.06 | SpeedEvil | Normally, with the phone waiting for a call, AIUI, it'll be off. |
| 15:36.10 | roh | the cpu is off, the ram is in self-refresh. only the gsm part is powered at all |
| 15:36.12 | SpeedEvil | (the CPU) |
| 15:36.45 | SpeedEvil | so you need to take a GPS position occasionally, wake the CPU up into slow mode, turn the GPS on, wait for it to aquire a signal, do the trivial processing, and go to sleep. |
| 15:38.51 | SpeedEvil | s/you need/in order to/ |
| 15:38.52 | roh | SpeedEvil when you wake up you already know where you are from the cellid. and if you do not know if the one you 'see' is in or outside your 'profile-area' you can also ask the gps which is assisted (hopefully) and will give you a location in less than 5 secs after start. hopefully about 1 sec for a lock outside a building |
| 15:38.56 | roh | not that old sirf-shit which takes about 30 secs from a coldstart |
| 15:39.53 | nibbler_de | roh: define coldstart |
| 15:40.10 | nibbler_de | roh: start without almanac and ephemerides? i doubt. |
| 15:40.31 | roh | nibbler_de the almanac is cached. thats the trick for agps ;) |
| 15:40.46 | nibbler_de | ok - but it still needs the ephemerides |
| 15:40.55 | SpeedEvil | It has that though. |
| 15:41.04 | SpeedEvil | Unless you've been 12 weeks outside the view of the sky. |
| 15:41.13 | nibbler_de | you need far less |
| 15:41.18 | SpeedEvil | Teh almanac has been cached for _ages_ for GPSs. |
| 15:41.18 | roh | nibbler_de i dunno how long the gl can do, but the ublox guys say '1 sec' and it works (tried on cebit) |
| 15:41.18 | Vegar | isn't it six weeks? |
| 15:41.24 | SpeedEvil | 12/6 meh |
| 15:41.30 | nibbler_de | roh: that's not cold-stard |
| 15:41.31 | siXfeet | ?? |
| 15:41.32 | aloril | siXfeet: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 15:41.39 | SpeedEvil | The trick with the hammerhead/... is the massively parallel correlators. |
| 15:41.40 | nibbler_de | roh: that's reacquisition. (which is ok too) |
| 15:41.44 | asdfadf | counter |
| 15:41.45 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 10:09:07 (11.423 +-11.4 days) (966,169) |
| 15:41.47 | roh | nibbler_de the ublox cache for about 2 weeks |
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| 15:42.06 | SpeedEvil | That's the biggy, as it means you don't have to slowly slew through the waveform looking for a match with the satellite codes. |
| 15:42.08 | roh | nibbler_de cache means flash here |
| 15:42.23 | roh | reacquisition would be when not powered down completely |
| 15:42.29 | SpeedEvil | you have several hundred correlators that do it directly, speeding up per-satellite lock times by orders of magnitudes. |
| 15:43.19 | roh | ack |
| 15:43.50 | SpeedEvil | It's like a dumb algorithm might match a tune by checking every tune from the beginning, and it needs to wait for the beginning to get an idea, but a human can guess from the middle what the tune is. |
| 15:43.57 | nibbler_de | it's not the signal lock time - it's the actual recording of the signal |
| 15:44.11 | SpeedEvil | It's both really. |
| 15:44.27 | SpeedEvil | And your knowledge of the signal format. |
| 15:44.58 | SpeedEvil | And your position of course. |
| 15:45.35 | montgoss | Hey all. can anyone help me get the development environment setup? |
| 15:45.36 | aloril | Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (link to FAQ in wiki) |
| 15:47.00 | CoreDump|afk | counte |
| 15:47.02 | CoreDump|afk | counter |
| 15:47.03 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 10:06:28 (11.421 +-11.4 days) (967,170) |
| 15:50.14 | abraxa_ | montgoss: What are you having troubles with? |
| 15:50.30 | nibbler_de | ok. cold start is without ephemerides and almanac and takes 12,5 for "download" via gps, but with you can get the almanac via network - how about the ephemerides? |
| 15:50.39 | nibbler_de | 12,5 minutes that is |
| 15:50.58 | roh | nibbler_de you can cache them quite some time and also get them via network afaik |
| 15:51.15 | montgoss | abraxa_:: "corrupted pack file" seems to be the problem |
| 15:51.16 | nibbler_de | only 2-6 hours |
| 15:51.55 | nibbler_de | almanac can be longer - that's why i keep thurayaphones next to my window for the night before shipping them to customers -> less complaints ;-) |
| 15:52.08 | abraxa_ | montgoss: If I remember correctly that's a monotone issue that wasn't supposed to occur anymore |
| 15:52.26 | roh | nibbler_de take a look here http://www.u-blox.com/technology/assistnow/assistnow_offline.html they can explain better |
| 15:52.29 | abraxa_ | montgoss: Can you copy the output to a pastebin and give us the URL? |
| 15:52.53 | montgoss | abraxa_ monotone hates me. I had a different monotone issue the first time I tried to get the environment setup... :-( |
| 15:52.56 | nibbler_de | roh: that's the manufacturer? |
| 15:53.02 | simon | s: Can you copy the output to a pastebin and give us |
| 15:53.02 | simon | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.02 | simon | 17:53 < montgoss> abraxa_ monotone hates me. I had a different monotone issue |
| 15:53.17 | simon | wtf!, sry |
| 15:53.21 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 15:53.26 | roh | nibbler_de atm we have a GlobalLocate hammerhead |
| 15:53.58 | montgoss | abraxa_: is there a way to fix this monotone issue? reinstall it or something? |
| 15:54.14 | roh | nibbler_de the only reason for showing you the ublox is that i know how they call all the stuff |
| 15:54.24 | abraxa_ | montgoss: I'd like to see your log output to better see what the issue may be |
| 15:54.39 | roh | montgoss whats you mtn version? |
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| 15:55.03 | montgoss | monotone 0.32 (base revision: 3f0fa5c1d232d37d47f6436fe74919dd3cd003b1) |
| 15:55.20 | roh | should be new enough (i use 0.31) |
| 15:55.46 | montgoss | abraxa_: you just want the output to the command line? or is there actually a log file somewhere? |
| 15:55.54 | SpeedEvil | The AGPS page on the wiki also explains it as it applies to the GPS hardware in the neo. |
| 15:56.04 | abraxa_ | montgoss: Command line, yeps |
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| 15:56.14 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS |
| 15:59.42 | montgoss | abraxa_: did you get that output? |
| 16:00.19 | abraxa_ | Did you send it by PM? |
| 16:00.30 | montgoss | I tried to... |
| 16:00.42 | montgoss | not too familiar with IRC |
| 16:00.48 | abraxa_ | Yeah, didn't go through cause you need to be registered before being able to send PMs here |
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| 16:01.01 | montgoss | hmm... how does one register? |
| 16:01.15 | roh | you have to talk with nickserv |
| 16:01.16 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.21 | abraxa_ | Just use pastebin.ca |
| 16:01.28 | SpeedEvil | will register you with a password of 'password'. |
| 16:01.40 | SpeedEvil | then you use /msg nickserv login password later. |
| 16:01.42 | roh | uuuh.. i have to go. i'm beeing called to a sunday-park-party |
| 16:01.47 | SpeedEvil | Wave. |
| 16:04.04 | roh | yeah.. bbl |
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| 16:29.54 | SpeedEvil | http://www.globallocate.com/SEMICONDUCTORS/Semi_Libr_Piece/IndoorGPSTechnology.pdf is an interesting PDF - though with no concrete numbers for the hammerhead GPS chip, it gives background. And even plots. |
| 16:36.37 | aloril2 | montgoss: it could be old git issue IIRC |
| 16:40.01 | montgoss | aloril2: I found a newer version of git. The make is going good so far. |
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| 16:41.56 | hahaha | hi |
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| 16:46.36 | Sup3rkiddo | hey people can anyone help me out with this http://rafb.net/p/8kx3i694.html |
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| 16:50.14 | abraxa_ | What version of git are you using, Sup3rkiddo? |
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| 16:50.43 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, 4.3.20 |
| 16:51.04 | abraxa_ | Hm... might wanna try updating |
| 16:51.33 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, oh..thats the latest in the portage.. |
| 16:52.13 | abraxa_ | um |
| 16:52.19 | abraxa_ | What does "git --version" say? |
| 16:53.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:UPS_Worldwide_Express_Saver]] |
| 16:53.46 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, GNU Interactive Tools 4.3.20 or am i using the wrong "git" |
| 16:54.59 | abraxa_ | Looks like it cause I'm running v1.4.4.4 |
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| 16:55.32 | abraxa_ | http://gentoo-portage.com/dev-util/git |
| 16:55.33 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, ah..ok..i am running the wrong git... |
| 16:56.10 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, thanks..you confirmed my doubts |
| 16:56.26 | abraxa_ | Let's hope it works flawlessly then ;) |
| 16:57.06 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, yeah it should...i am doing the build from a fresh installation...have done it before |
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| 16:59.52 | Mandarino | Deja vú |
| 16:59.56 | SrRaven | abraxa_ do you have a openmoko ? |
| 16:59.56 | Mandarino | counter |
| 16:59.56 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 09:30:01 (11.396 +-11.4 days) (968,170) |
| 17:00.06 | abraxa_ | SrRaven: I wish :) |
| 17:00.12 | SrRaven | meh |
| 17:00.18 | SrRaven | I want more pictures of it :( |
| 17:00.27 | abraxa_ | Koen took plenty |
| 17:00.58 | Sup3rkiddo | SrRaven, Correction..you should have askes "Do you have a neo"...everyone in this channel should have a openmoko ;p |
| 17:01.02 | Sup3rkiddo | *asked |
| 17:01.12 | SrRaven | yeah I know :P |
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| 17:02.27 | abraxa_ | SrRaven: Check out http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=neo1973 maybe? |
| 17:04.54 | SrRaven | yeah thanks |
| 17:05.09 | SrRaven | I wanted more pics to see the really good resolution screen |
| 17:06.28 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.37 | SpeedEvil | shows the corner of the screen quite well. |
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| 17:07.56 | CoreDump|afk | SrRaven: photos of a ~300DPI screen displayed on a ~100-ish monitor (if that) will suck, no matter how sharp the photo is ;) |
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| 17:08.06 | kiney | counter |
| 17:08.06 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 09:25:57 (11.393 +-11.4 days) (969,170) |
| 17:08.46 | abraxa_ | SrRaven: http://www.sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/IMG_8392.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=2 |
| 17:10.00 | CoreDump|afk | That reminds me to update neo ;) |
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| 17:15.33 | SrRaven | nniiiice pic |
| 17:16.35 | mjr | ooo |
| 17:17.52 | mjr | I wants it |
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| 18:03.29 | CoreDump|afk | wow, the new image is actually beginning to look like a smartphone |
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| 18:18.46 | tigert | tiny tiny tiny fonts |
| 18:19.17 | tigert | in the device? |
| 18:19.27 | CoreDump|afk | yeah |
| 18:19.28 | tigert | also, on the go? |
| 18:19.33 | tigert | or just sitting at your desk? |
| 18:19.37 | CoreDump|afk | desk |
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| 18:19.42 | tigert | yep |
| 18:19.46 | tigert | big difference :) |
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| 18:19.57 | CoreDump|afk | =) I'll try open sunlight sometimes |
| 18:31.58 | balrog-kun | no! suntan skin looks non-geek |
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| 18:38.24 | CoreDump|afk | well, I didn't say I would expose myself to the sun, just the phone =) |
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| 18:41.06 | balrog-kun | but you'll have to be well protected against the rays, they make you look non-geek in an instant |
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| 18:54.05 | buz | SPF60 works wonders against that evil daystar |
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| 19:25.07 | abraxa_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User_talk:Gattm - I'll never understand the minds of people like that. Writing that into the wiki... |
| 19:27.39 | koen | abraxa_: usually they are from india |
| 19:28.12 | koen | demands, not requests |
| 19:28.16 | abraxa_ | lol... |
| 19:28.24 | abraxa_ | How sad. |
| 19:29.21 | abraxa_ | Makes me wonder whether it's true that Indian people get the jobs the western managers outsource to there, then demanding we help them getting their job done |
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| 19:30.00 | koen | dunno |
| 19:30.20 | koen | could be that it's a culture of shy people, so only the assholes send mails |
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| 19:31.35 | buz | i have wondered about this before, yes |
| 19:31.35 | balrog-kun | cool we're in flaming and overgeneralising mode |
| 19:32.04 | koen | welcome to IRC |
| 19:32.10 | buz | best explanation i can come up with centers around indian educational system |
| 19:32.26 | buz | which as i am told puts practically no weight on figuring stuff out yourself |
| 19:32.29 | abraxa_ | balrog-kun: I'm merely wondering since I've heard this from various sources and can't help but raise an eyebrow at the thought. |
| 19:34.02 | buz | abraxa_: the concept exists around the world, really. first you replace working stuff, then you figure out you dont have a clue so consultants must fix it... |
| 19:34.28 | buz | or you sell stuff you dont have a clue about |
| 19:34.51 | abraxa_ | buz: Who's "you" in that scenario? The managers? |
| 19:35.07 | buz | can be anybody really |
| 19:35.16 | buz | usually its sales staff |
| 19:35.32 | buz | (well knowing their company doesnt have the slightest clue) |
| 19:36.17 | buz | to one up the concept, look at management consulting. |
| 19:36.34 | buz | first customer explains business to consultants, who then pull "solutions" out of thin air |
| 19:37.36 | buz | (off the record, consultants freely admit to that) |
| 19:38.02 | buz | so no, i dont think it's india specific ;) |
| 19:38.32 | abraxa_ | Makes me so glad I don't have to deal with that...yet. |
| 19:38.37 | buz | go tell me. i should figure out what to do after uni in fall |
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| 19:38.39 | neugens | hello! |
| 19:39.25 | abraxa_ | Hellos |
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| 19:46.44 | Errorneous | hi |
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| 20:16.07 | SrRaven | mmh,just had a weird/funny idea.A alarm clock application for the openmoko.Each day you get a different symbol and you have to draw it with the stylus or the alarm wont stop |
| 20:16.20 | xkr47 | :D |
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| 20:16.33 | xkr47 | "sorry symbol not recognized" |
| 20:16.43 | thresh | i would smash the device on the fourth day |
| 20:16.55 | SrRaven | hehe its just a fun idea |
| 20:17.17 | xkr47 | thresh, or maybe open it up and disconnect the speakers ;) |
| 20:17.33 | SrRaven | far too expensive to do that :D |
| 20:17.43 | balrog-kun | every half an hour would be more fun because you wouldn't get any sleep, ever thought about this? |
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| 20:19.36 | xkr47 | or maybe it could track your sleep cycles and wake you up at the optimal point ;) |
| 20:20.17 | balrog-kun | choosing the song that you hate the most everytime :) |
| 20:20.21 | thresh | and make some coffee |
| 20:20.56 | xkr47 | yeah it could extract water from the air |
| 20:24.22 | SrRaven | i wonder how long it will take for the first wifi-hacking apps to be ported to openmoko |
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| 20:29.35 | SpeedEvil | Don't need to port as such. |
| 20:37.20 | Sufflope | Hi all, back at home (elections day here in France) |
| 20:37.20 | Vegar | ipkg packages |
| 20:37.44 | Sufflope | any news about the Qemu image that doesn't boot ? |
| 20:37.57 | Sufflope | (generated with MokoMakeFile) |
| 20:43.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Gattm]] |
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| 20:48.11 | Moo^^ | Sufflope: who |
| 20:48.16 | Moo^^ | Sufflope: who's going to win? |
| 20:48.30 | Moo^^ | French elections have been a topic in Finnish news papers some time |
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| 21:03.28 | Sufflope | Moo^^: that's the 1000€ question :) |
| 21:03.56 | Sufflope | or at least, say, the Neo1973 + camera + wifi question :D |
| 21:04.37 | Sufflope | anyway it was only the first round, second round between the two firsts in 2 weeks ... |
| 21:05.45 | Hopscotch | counter |
| 21:05.46 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 07:27:07 (11.310 +-11.3 days) (970,171) |
| 21:06.11 | Hopscotch | lol... never trust a statistic you didn't fake yourself |
| 21:07.12 | MacNorthOSX | the counter may go up and down, but anticipation is an increasing monotonic function |
| 21:11.15 | SpeedEvil | Unless people get bored, and buy something else. |
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| 21:17.34 | MacNorthOSX | yeah, if there's too much delay, i may wait for P1.5 |
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