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| 00:04.34 | Rio79 | wow...theres a lot of people up in here |
| 00:04.39 | Rio79 | i JUST found out about the phone |
| 00:05.25 | mjr | well, you aren't too late, since we're still waiting for the sales to start ;] |
| 00:06.01 | Rio79 | thats what... september? |
| 00:06.02 | aloril | Rio79: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 00:06.07 | ircleuser | Where will we be able to buy it? |
| 00:06.08 | aloril | ircleuser: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 00:06.32 | mjr | "Anyone can buy for $350 in a couple of weeks. Mass market in September." |
| 00:06.38 | mjr | and on-line |
| 00:07.26 | ircleuser | ok - i read the wiki |
| 00:07.40 | ircleuser | thats damn cool |
| 00:08.31 | Rio79 | are there anyone from the company, openmoko, in here? |
| 00:08.49 | Rio79 | or are we all just eager to have the phone haha |
| 00:08.59 | mjr | there are |
| 00:09.48 | Rio79 | can we make a request? i want wifi on it!! hahh |
| 00:10.02 | mjr | ... |
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| 00:13.33 | Rio79 | ahhh...nm... just heard that there is no wifi because there is no open source wifi chipset |
| 00:13.36 | Rio79 | would be sweet though |
| 00:18.17 | _kaiser_ | From which site will we be able to buy the Neo1973? In a couple of weeks? ;) |
| 00:18.38 | mjr | to be announced |
| 00:18.56 | _kaiser_ | mjr: ty |
| 00:24.34 | balrog-kun | e-bay.com |
| 00:28.26 | mjr | hmm, sdl sopwith would probably not be sanely playable without a keyboard... so I'll have to get one |
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| 00:32.03 | mjr | but that has to be adapted nevertheless |
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| 00:35.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] |
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| 01:15.12 | pjz | counter |
| 01:15.12 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 17:22:24 (13.724 +-13.7 days) (901,166) |
| 01:15.42 | pjz | heh, the counter is getting so far back... I wonder if that means they'll push back phase 1+ also |
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| 02:31.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] |
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| 03:13.48 | aevin | 215 people here. that's not bad. |
| 03:14.24 | aevin | I can't wait to see after P1 and there's more hardware around :) |
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| 03:22.46 | pjz | yeah |
| 03:22.56 | pjz | It should be... interesting |
| 03:27.13 | DigeratiH | im excited about this phone |
| 03:27.24 | DigeratiH | just heard about it today in popular science |
| 03:27.39 | pjz | ah, yeah, I heard about it in... november I think |
| 03:27.43 | pjz | it's been a long wait |
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| 03:28.04 | DigeratiH | is there any video demonstrations of it in action? |
| 03:28.04 | aloril | DigeratiH: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 03:28.31 | pjz | I don't think so; I'm not sure the apps are quite up to actually working yet |
| 03:29.22 | pjz | looks like I'm wrong; hit youtube.com and search for openmoko |
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| 03:36.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r1790 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/nand-otp.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 03:36.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - new file board/neo1973/nand.c with board-specific NAND functions, including |
| 03:36.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: OTP support and board_nand_init |
| 03:36.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - common/cmd_nand.c (do_nand): added read.otp and write.otp |
| 03:36.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - common/cmd_nand.c (U_BOOT_CMD): cleaned up read and write synopsis, added |
| 03:36.10 | CIA-16 | openmoko: .otp and .oob |
| 03:36.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/nand.c (board_nand_init): renamed to s3c24x0_nand_init |
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| 04:15.05 | marksworld | omg |
| 04:15.06 | marksworld | im in heaven |
| 04:15.49 | marksworld | is anyone there to tell me when the neo1973 is going to be out |
| 04:15.57 | marksworld | zomg |
| 04:16.35 | atla | hum? |
| 04:16.50 | marksworld | ha..j/j around |
| 04:16.59 | atla | first development machine is already availabe |
| 04:17.04 | atla | but only useful to hackers |
| 04:17.11 | marksworld | I just found out about the phone.. |
| 04:17.15 | marksworld | and openmoko |
| 04:17.15 | atla | ah |
| 04:17.23 | marksworld | and I am beyond excited.. |
| 04:17.32 | marksworld | where is the dev machine |
| 04:17.36 | atla | i guess its still some time until its available and ready for an enduser |
| 04:17.59 | marksworld | right.. |
| 04:18.06 | atla | http://planet.openmoko.org/ |
| 04:18.08 | marksworld | has FIC set a timeline..or is it fairly vague.. |
| 04:19.26 | atla | dunno |
| 04:19.30 | atla | i am no developer |
| 04:20.58 | marksworld | oh ok |
| 04:21.01 | marksworld | cya |
| 04:21.11 | marksworld | is anyone here a developer in the openmoko project? |
| 04:21.11 | aloril | marksworld: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 04:24.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Speedevil]] |
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| 04:33.17 | Partizan | I have question about contacts application: I try to create new contact, and don't know how to save it |
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| 04:46.35 | peepsalot | oops wrong channel |
| 04:53.48 | peepsalot | http://matchbox-project.org/documentation/developers/matchbox.pdf does this pdf display correctly for anyone else? |
| 04:53.58 | peepsalot | it looks corrupted on my machine |
| 04:55.50 | marksworld | nope |
| 04:55.51 | marksworld | not for me |
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| 05:41.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r1791 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/unbusy-i2c.patch: |
| 05:41.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: board/neo1973/neo1973.c: added logic to detect pending PMU interrupts |
| 05:41.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: board/neo1973/neo1973.c (neo1973_new_second, neo1973_on_key_pressed): only poll |
| 05:41.49 | CIA-16 | openmoko: PMU if there is a pending interrupt |
| 05:41.49 | CIA-16 | openmoko: board/neo1973/pcf50606.c (pcf50606_initial_regs): cleared (unmasked) SECONDM in |
| 05:41.51 | CIA-16 | openmoko: INT1M |
| 05:43.24 | guaqua | peepsalot: kpdf doesn't open |
| 05:43.40 | guaqua | or does open, but it's only lines here and there |
| 05:44.22 | peepsalot | yeah. it doesn't open in kpdf or evince. I'm not sure where to log a bug/complaint |
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| 05:44.41 | peepsalot | #matchbox is dead |
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| 06:18.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] |
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| 07:54.40 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:03.05 | woglinde | counter |
| 08:03.05 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 13:58:27 (13.582 +-13.6 days) (902,166) |
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| 08:19.12 | TRIsoft | hrw: morning |
| 08:19.20 | hrw | hi Mac |
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| 08:44.18 | drath | ~change 22.50 usd to eur |
| 08:45.50 | Stephmw | hmm, anyone happen to know how I could achieve "nice -n 5 somescript" as a normal user? |
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| 08:47.19 | XorA | Stephmw: using sudo |
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| 08:47.42 | Stephmw | XorA: doesn't that start the script as root? |
| 08:48.02 | raynet | humm |
| 08:48.17 | hrw | Stephmw: run script and then 'sudo renice' |
| 08:49.27 | balrog-kun | or do sudo nice -n 5 su username -c somescript, heh |
| 08:49.43 | Stephmw | lol |
| 08:50.10 | hrw | "sudo su user" ;D |
| 08:50.16 | raynet | i thought that normal user can set priorities between 0 and 20 with nice |
| 08:50.25 | Stephmw | yeah, that'd work... what about suid-ing the script and just using nice? |
| 08:50.29 | raynet | so nice -n 5 dumdidum shoud work |
| 08:50.50 | Stephmw | hmmm, yeah, I meant -5, sorry |
| 08:50.56 | raynet | aaaah |
| 08:51.05 | XorA | Stephmw: I actually read that as -5 :-D |
| 08:51.20 | raynet | then you need root-power at some point |
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| 09:14.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1792 10/trunk/oe/packages/openocd/ (openocd-native_141.bb openocd_141.bb): add openocd version 141 |
| 09:16.30 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1793 10/trunk/oe/packages/openocd/openocd_141.bb: remove wait-patiently.patch from openocd 141, since it has that code included |
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| 09:52.57 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 09:53.03 | bedboi | any news so far? |
| 09:53.23 | woglinde | counter |
| 09:53.23 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 13:03:18 (13.544 +-13.5 days) (903,166) |
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| 09:54.35 | Herod2k | hi guys |
| 09:55.29 | Herod2k | someone can tell how can i buy an openmoko phone? |
| 09:55.29 | aloril | Herod2k: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 09:55.46 | Herod2k | i live in italy... |
| 09:56.04 | woglinde | herod2k not yet |
| 09:56.29 | Herod2k | uff |
| 09:56.35 | Herod2k | ok |
| 09:56.51 | woglinde | and read the wiki |
| 09:57.00 | Herod2k | i've readed the wiki... |
| 09:57.18 | woglinde | than look at counter |
| 09:57.20 | woglinde | counter |
| 09:57.20 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 13:01:19 (13.543 +-13.5 days) (904,166) |
| 09:57.49 | Herod2k | ok |
| 09:57.51 | Herod2k | tnx |
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| 10:07.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Battery]] |
| 10:07.49 | fledermaus | any news on the delays? |
| 10:08.02 | TRIsoft | The news about the delays are delayed... |
| 10:08.22 | Herod2k | woglinde, where is the counter ? |
| 10:08.28 | woglinde | herdo2k here |
| 10:08.30 | woglinde | counter |
| 10:08.30 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 12:55:45 (13.539 +-13.5 days) (905,166) |
| 10:08.42 | fledermaus | hasn't gone down at all. |
| 10:09.34 | Herod2k | aaa ok |
| 10:10.06 | Herod2k | i'm searching something like a countdown clock |
| 10:10.08 | Herod2k | :) |
| 10:13.42 | DerCorny | i'm without a mobile since the beginning of april |
| 10:13.57 | woglinde | herod2k |
| 10:13.59 | woglinde | counter |
| 10:14.00 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 12:53:00 (13.537 +-13.5 days) (906,166) |
| 10:14.04 | DerCorny | i don't want to buy anything else than the neo, but if takes too long i'll have to :( |
| 10:14.17 | Herod2k | yes woglinde i've seen.. |
| 10:14.30 | Herod2k | tnx |
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| 11:08.07 | asdfadf | counter |
| 11:08.08 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 12:25:56 (13.518 +-13.5 days) (907,166) |
| 11:08.42 | fledermaus | is anyone here actually on the openmoko team? |
| 11:09.03 | asdfadf | speedevil afaik |
| 11:09.09 | fledermaus | *vague handwaving to define said entity* |
| 11:09.45 | asdfadf | and mickey |
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| 11:14.11 | Vitaly | counter |
| 11:14.12 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 12:22:54 (13.516 +-13.5 days) (908,166) |
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| 11:18.37 | asdfadf | ah, i figured it: someone changed the counterscript from weeks to days - this is why every day lasts a week ;) |
| 11:19.02 | sannes | :D |
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| 11:37.01 | BlackFog | ^^ |
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| 12:01.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation]] [[Main_Page]] [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[MokoMakefile]] [[FAQ]] [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] |
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| 12:22.00 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 should correspond to counter (ie.. if counter has changes, then that page too) |
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| 12:29.37 | LarstiQ | hi MindCrusher_ |
| 12:29.41 | LarstiQ | ehm, mickeyl |
| 12:30.06 | mickeyl | haha |
| 12:30.11 | mickeyl | sometimes I'm afraid I'm mindcrusher[ro] |
| 12:30.15 | mickeyl | oops |
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| 12:37.44 | fledermaus | If you're you and he's him, am I still me? |
| 12:37.52 | fledermaus | who's eating this chicken? |
| 12:38.05 | mickeyl | heh |
| 12:40.55 | Yogesh | hi all, I wanted to know how framebuffer driver(drivers/video/s3c2410fb.c) comminicate with the lcd driver JBT6K74 (drivers/spi/jbt6k74.c) to configure LCD panel.I have assume following information , pls correct me if i m wrong. |
| 12:40.55 | Yogesh | 1) samsung board has lcd controller |
| 12:40.55 | Yogesh | 2) lcd controller communicate with lcd driver JBT6K74 through SPI interface . |
| 12:40.56 | Yogesh | But here in code I didnt get how framebuffer driver configure lcd. |
| 12:40.56 | Yogesh | Because spi driver and framebuffer driver is seperate . |
| 12:40.58 | Yogesh | then how framebuffer communicate with spi driver to configure the LCD . |
| 12:41.00 | Yogesh | So please tell me where i got missunderstood ? |
| 12:41.39 | hrw | Yogesh: via platform_device? |
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| 12:43.26 | hrw | scap.openmoko.org with openmoko-scap would be nice to have |
| 12:43.31 | Yogesh | hrw: but when framebuffer probe gets executed , there is no link to send this information to spi driver so it can configure the LCD panel. |
| 12:44.20 | hrw | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2ce1cd3eec084ab7b4948ed58aca08c4.png |
| 12:44.26 | Yogesh | I didnt see any code in drivers/video/s3c2410fb.c doing that. |
| 12:46.56 | Yogesh | can anybody tell me how exactly operating flow is going on . |
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| 12:49.48 | Yogesh | hrw: i have gone through the openmoko pathes |
| 12:50.05 | XorA | hrw: still a wierd blank rectangle :-) |
| 12:50.33 | hrw | XorA: and now it is openmoko official so two blanks |
| 12:51.55 | hrw | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ - please compare PhoneBook & Messages - which one is wrong? |
| 12:52.24 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: built-in scripting languages. |
| 12:58.05 | mickeyl | hrw: Messages is wrong |
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| 12:58.18 | mickeyl | hrw: Should use a plain background for the details area |
| 12:58.39 | hrw | mickeyl: look at top area |
| 12:58.42 | mickeyl | oh, and the headers are missing !? |
| 12:58.44 | mickeyl | odd |
| 12:58.49 | mickeyl | well |
| 12:58.58 | mickeyl | i wonder whether this is actually a feature |
| 12:59.06 | mickeyl | perhaps we don't need headers |
| 12:59.08 | hrw | mickeyl: I need those headers |
| 12:59.16 | mickeyl | you do? ok, I'll tell them |
| 12:59.33 | mickeyl | or rather |
| 12:59.37 | mickeyl | please do you tell them :) |
| 12:59.43 | hrw | ;D |
| 12:59.45 | hrw | will |
| 12:59.47 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 12:59.51 | fledermaus | so... what is the story behind the delay? ooi. |
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| 13:02.33 | hrw | !ombug 489 |
| 13:02.33 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 489, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 13:02.34 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko(AT)hrw.one.pl: List of messages lack headers |
| 13:02.35 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=489 |
| 13:05.49 | pvanhoof | mickeyl, tell sean that if he visits the Netherlands or Belgium, that we'll go skating. he's a skater right? :) btw, you have a date for KC's meeting in mind already? |
| 13:06.20 | hrw | !ombug 490 |
| 13:06.20 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 490, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 13:06.21 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko(AT)hrw.one.pl: Contacts or Phonebook? |
| 13:06.22 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=490 |
| 13:06.29 | pvanhoof | oh in case we're at some conference and I have my car with me, I always travel with skateboard :) |
| 13:06.38 | hrw | bbiab |
| 13:09.57 | mickeyl | pvanhoof: i think he's rather into surfing |
| 13:10.26 | mickeyl | pvanhoof: re. meeting date, i need to wait until Sean is back in .tw (next week) to see how my schedule for May will be |
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| 13:11.18 | mickeyl | pvanhoof: gtk question...: |
| 13:11.45 | mickeyl | do you have any idea how i can restrict the size-request to have a certain granularity? |
| 13:11.47 | mickeyl | i.e. |
| 13:11.59 | mickeyl | i have a tree view that shows some entires |
| 13:12.19 | mickeyl | i want the tree view to be always the height of <n>*<height of entry> |
| 13:12.20 | Partizan | I run OpenMoko snapshot in QEmu. Tries to create new contact in Contacts application: fill some data and can't save this contact: can't find Save button. How save this contact? |
| 13:12.36 | pvanhoof | mickeyl, okay (for the meeting date) |
| 13:13.35 | pvanhoof | the size: you can do a size request, but it's not guarantee that it'll also be that size unless you implement the allocate_(space/size/Iforgot) method of gtkwidget |
| 13:13.46 | pvanhoof | or override it |
| 13:14.13 | pvanhoof | or, no, it's not overriding. it's a signal to implement (on realize or something like that) |
| 13:14.27 | hrw | Partizan: press first button from left |
| 13:15.53 | pvanhoof | mickeyl, widget_class->size_allocate |
| 13:16.07 | pvanhoof | and ->map and ->unmap |
| 13:16.42 | hrw | !ombug 491 |
| 13:16.43 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 491, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 13:16.43 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko(AT)hrw.one.pl: Dates or Calendar? |
| 13:16.45 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=491 |
| 13:20.04 | mickeyl | pvanhoof: ok, i'm going to try that. I think it's strange that noone has been bothered by that before. Especially on small displays, it's annoying seeing the TreeView scroll pixel-wise and not entry-wise |
| 13:20.37 | mickeyl | at least I have hooked into the adjustment stuff, so that up/down works entry wise for my tree view now |
| 13:20.40 | pvanhoof | it should scroll "guessed size"-wise |
| 13:20.52 | pvanhoof | that way it wouldn't need a fixed-row-size property |
| 13:20.57 | mickeyl | heh, yeah |
| 13:20.59 | pvanhoof | yet it wouldn't have to touch all the items in the model |
| 13:21.11 | mickeyl | btw., i never understood why fixed-row needs fixed-columns |
| 13:21.15 | mickeyl | sounds backwards to me |
| 13:21.32 | mickeyl | one of the dozens of gtk annoyances i have come over since starting this project :D |
| 13:21.38 | pvanhoof | well, I'm guessing because the tree is a 2d element (in both dimentions, it's doing the same for the scrollbars, I think) |
| 13:22.14 | pvanhoof | there are quite a few annoyances in the treeview and its models though. You learn to forgive them as it's not easy to get one right in C |
| 13:22.39 | pvanhoof | what I never learn how to forgive, is how API mistakes hunt gtk+ for years :( |
| 13:23.05 | pvanhoof | yet for users like openmoko, breaking api over and over again sucks even more |
| 13:23.19 | pvanhoof | chicken/egg/paradoxical/etc |
| 13:23.21 | mickeyl | ya |
| 13:23.39 | pvanhoof | A good design ... |
| 13:24.06 | pvanhoof | that is adaptive, in stead of restrictive. Where each interface defines precisely its own task and nothing more |
| 13:24.20 | pvanhoof | and where new types can multi-implement multiple such interfaces |
| 13:25.09 | pvanhoof | different;y put :), by utilising *buzz-alarm, I know* design patterns |
| 13:25.32 | MetaBookfoziS | counter |
| 13:25.32 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 11:17:14 (13.470 +-13.5 days) (909,166) |
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| 13:31.49 | hrw | ~curse gconf |
| 13:32.02 | apt | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, gconf ! |
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| 13:40.50 | openstandards | Hi, just got a quick question is support for gstreamer planned? |
| 13:40.51 | aloril | openstandards: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 13:42.47 | XorA | openstandards: I beleive its a Google Summer of Code project for moko |
| 13:45.33 | openstandards | ahh ok cheers was just speaking to one of the devs from bmp who mentioned openmoko didn't use gst but this certainly is good news, thank you for replying so quickly |
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| 13:47.42 | abraxa_ | openstandards: Yup, will use gstreamer |
| 13:48.12 | abraxa_ | (and I'm the GSoC guy btw) |
| 13:48.49 | openstandards | ahh nice, looking forward to what work you do |
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| 13:55.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Music_Player]] |
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| 13:57.26 | roh | abraxa_ ah.. nice to hear |
| 13:58.16 | abraxa_ | Yupyup :) |
| 13:58.30 | abraxa_ | I'm happy to be able to do it, too ;) |
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| 14:02.23 | roh | abraxa_ where are you located |
| 14:02.32 | hrw | enough neo for today |
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| 14:03.00 | abraxa_ | roh: I'm from Germany |
| 14:03.10 | roh | i know... which city? |
| 14:03.38 | roh | because if you are in the area of berlin i'd suppose we should meet some time soon in person |
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| 14:08.38 | abraxa_ | roh: That would be spiffy, though I'm actually closer to Mickey - 30km north of Frankfurt |
| 14:08.45 | abraxa_ | roh: But you never know... :) |
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| 14:28.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1794 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:28.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/contacts-callbacks-ebook.c: (contacts_changed_cb): |
| 14:28.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/contacts-contact-pane.c: (field_changed), |
| 14:28.10 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (contacts_contact_pane_class_init): |
| 14:28.10 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/contacts-contact-pane.h: |
| 14:28.11 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/contacts-omoko.c: (fullname_changed_cb), |
| 14:28.15 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (create_main_window): |
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| 14:44.45 | PBeck | hi |
| 14:45.11 | abraxa_ | Hallo |
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| 15:06.05 | quitte | counter |
| 15:06.05 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 10:26:57 (13.435 +-13.4 days) (910,167) |
| 15:06.43 | SrRaven | its staying at 6 days somehow |
| 15:08.50 | quitte | have there been any rumours in the last 2 days i might have missed? |
| 15:12.17 | pvanhoof | yes, 32 kids got killed |
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| 15:13.30 | quitte | does that delay p1? |
| 15:14.05 | fledermaus | quitte: I've heard a rumour. |
| 15:14.12 | fledermaus | actually more of a second hand report. |
| 15:14.35 | fledermaus | but it's of such a nature that I wouldn't want to spread it unless I heard it from one of the team :/ |
| 15:14.38 | pvanhoof | quitte, who knows? |
| 15:14.52 | XorA | fledermaus: now you got my curiosity |
| 15:15.00 | fledermaus | heh. |
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| 15:18.09 | fledermaus | soo... anyone on the moko team here? |
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| 15:18.51 | XorA | LaF0rge, mickeyl :-D |
| 15:23.12 | openstandards | that internet tablet intel are working on, could the wifi chipset be used for the neo 1973? |
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| 15:45.06 | buz | fledermaus: is that good or bad news? |
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| 15:49.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] [[Music_Player]] [[Talk:Music_Player]] |
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| 15:58.55 | fledermaus | buz: is what good or bad news? the rumour/report I heard? |
| 15:58.58 | fledermaus | bad. |
| 15:59.07 | buz | dooh |
| 15:59.51 | TRIsoft | gtg, cu |
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| 16:14.17 | PBeck | counter |
| 16:14.18 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 09:52:51 (13.412 +-13.4 days) (911,167) |
| 16:14.34 | PBeck | hum no new informationen from sean or fic, right? |
| 16:15.06 | fledermaus | everyone's keeping schtum. |
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| 16:16.00 | koen | PBeck: sean is ~10m away from me :) |
| 16:16.03 | PBeck | bad :( |
| 16:16.17 | PBeck | koen: hehe, then ask sean for news ;) |
| 16:16.35 | koen | there's lots of news, he just can't tell yet |
| 16:16.51 | PBeck | yes? |
| 16:17.00 | PBeck | where you are? |
| 16:17.07 | koen | ELC2007 |
| 16:17.31 | PBeck | koen: you play with a neo? ;) |
| 16:17.48 | koen | no, I left my neo at home |
| 16:17.53 | PBeck | koen: can sean tell us that the p1 device is finished? :) |
| 16:18.04 | PBeck | koen: you have one, ok ;) |
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| 16:18.42 | koen | I've been helping marcel holtmann to get bluetooth working on his neo |
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| 16:18.52 | koen | great progress made there |
| 16:19.11 | Mid | hello all |
| 16:19.14 | PBeck | nice |
| 16:19.47 | hrw | koen: gta01bv4 one? |
| 16:20.46 | koen | bv3 |
| 16:20.47 | koen | the v4 he has lacks an LCD |
| 16:21.28 | Mid | I'm trying to build a setup with MokoMakefile, and after one day of fetching/compiling/thinging (;-) ) there is an error that says : fatal: corrupted pack file .git/objects/pack/pack-a146bcbc18f4826d6bf2a7f63be5dd77bbb5b2f5.pack, just after a line saying NOTE: package uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow-r4_37837828d89084879bee2f2b8c7c68d4695940df_0_1791: task do_fetch: started |
| 16:22.07 | hrw | koen: only lcd? :D |
| 16:22.10 | Mid | I don't know if this is anough details, but can anyone give me any advice please? |
| 16:22.10 | aloril | Mid: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 16:23.00 | hrw | Mid: looks like git fails to fetch |
| 16:23.18 | hrw | Mid: I would remove git dir to force it to refetch |
| 16:23.26 | holtmann | koen: Funny guy ;) |
| 16:23.35 | koen | heh, the git fanboys claim you can't get that corrupted pack problem any more |
| 16:24.03 | Mid | hrw, this one : ./sources/git/www.denx.de.git.u-boot.git./.git or this one ./sources/git ? |
| 16:24.11 | hrw | first |
| 16:24.21 | Mid | hrw: ok, thank you, I'll try this |
| 16:28.01 | Mid | ok, now I have this: fatal: Not a git repository: '.git' |
| 16:28.01 | Mid | is there a way to force it to rebuild this dir? |
| 16:29.17 | hrw | bitbake -crebuild uboot-gta01 |
| 16:29.39 | Mid | anyway, I forgot to asy that, as a lot of people, I think this project really great |
| 16:29.46 | Mid | hrw: ok I try |
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| 16:33.12 | mikesh | counter |
| 16:33.13 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 09:43:23 (13.405 +-13.4 days) (912,167) |
| 16:34.26 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1795 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:34.26 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/contacts-callbacks-ebook.c: (contacts_changed_cb): |
| 16:34.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/contacts-contact-pane.c: (field_changed), |
| 16:34.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (contacts_contact_pane_class_init): |
| 16:34.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/contacts-contact-pane.h: |
| 16:34.28 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/contacts-main.c: |
| 16:34.32 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/contacts-omoko.c: (create_main_window): |
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| 16:54.37 | pjz | is thomas here? |
| 16:54.45 | pjz | the guy who just made that commit |
| 16:55.15 | pjz | hopefully he fixed the cant-delete-added-fields bug |
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| 16:56.36 | hrw | is that bug in bugtracker? |
| 17:04.25 | Mid | hrw: no luck, when I do the rebuild, after removing "./sources/git/www.denx.de.git.u-boot.git./.git" I get the error: fatal: Not a git repository: '.git'... and if I do a "make openmoko-devel-image" it reread and reinstalls the corrupted pack file :-( |
| 17:04.52 | Mid | I'm new to bitbaker and git, sorry |
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| 17:05.03 | guaqua | make update |
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| 17:09.06 | Mid | guaqua: after "make update" and "make setup", both "make openmoko-devel-image" and "bitbake -crebuild uboot-gta01" give same error: "fatal: Not a git repository: '.git'" |
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| 17:09.56 | guaqua | what git version do you have, which distro? |
| 17:11.14 | Mid | guaqua: git version 1.4.1, Ubuntu edgy with monotone and libc from feisty (I was obliged to do that because no OE.mtn matching edgy monotone version |
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| 17:11.42 | guaqua | i just compiled a newer monotone in edgy |
| 17:12.20 | guaqua | libc is a tricky bastard |
| 17:12.22 | guaqua | good luck |
| 17:13.11 | Mid | guaqua: so should I downgrade back to edgy? |
| 17:13.17 | SrRaven | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfghxOO7vCE something for openmoko maybe?! |
| 17:13.35 | guaqua | i haven't built it on feisty, but it did work on feisty |
| 17:13.46 | guaqua | but i'd suggest to use a ready image and the qemu |
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| 17:14.40 | SrRaven | the only thing about the script is that it costs 10 euros appearantly |
| 17:15.24 | aloril | (script) planet: Andrew Cowie: Meeting OpenMoko running on the Neo1973 http://research.operationaldynamics.com/blogs/andrew/software/openmoko/doing-open-the-right-way.html |
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| 17:16.38 | guaqua | SrRaven: interesting |
| 17:17.13 | guaqua | SrRaven: however, lot of those ideas could be included into hexinput and get even a better soltuion |
| 17:18.13 | SrRaven | thats possible but im pretty damn dumb and just saw it and immediatly thought of the openmoko as use,I got no clue about anything considering that so there maybe even are better methods out that thing just looks extremely quick (got a youtube video) |
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| 17:20.30 | stuhood | sorry, this probably asked 10 times a day, but if the $350 developer kits are available, where can they be found? |
| 17:20.30 | aloril | stuhood: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:20.34 | SrRaven | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfghxOO7vCE <- that one |
| 17:20.38 | stuhood | haha. |
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| 17:21.26 | guaqua | SrRaven: mostly it was fast typing, because he was fast at it, not because of the method |
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| 17:22.08 | SrRaven | well I guess so,they have comparison table on their website stating that with that method you can do upto 20 more words than with a normal qwerty keyboard |
| 17:22.12 | SrRaven | (virtual) |
| 17:28.24 | aloril | koen: any idea when there might be news? |
| 17:29.06 | guaqua | SrRaven: url? |
| 17:29.39 | SrRaven | http://www.speedscript.biz/default.aspx?p=speed |
| 17:29.55 | SrRaven | if it isnt in english for you,theres a change language thing |
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| 17:30.31 | guaqua | any company with biz tld...argh |
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| 17:33.55 | guaqua | SrRaven: that is a smart method |
| 17:34.36 | SrRaven | I guess so |
| 17:34.50 | SrRaven | I never really used a PDA except for a few minutes for fun if it could read my handwriting |
| 17:35.10 | guaqua | qwerty is surprisingly fast too |
| 17:35.15 | guaqua | even with very small buttons |
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| 17:41.18 | Mid | guaqua: thanks! I have a running machine in qemu |
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| 17:42.11 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03ortalo * r1796 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-calculator/README: Test modification |
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| 17:43.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 17:44.14 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 09:07:53 (13.380 +-13.4 days) (913,167) |
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| 17:46.20 | SrRaven | a week again ? |
| 17:55.59 | Vegar | two weeks |
| 17:56.43 | guaqua | qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x38000000 |
| 17:56.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1797 10/trunk/oe/conf/distro/include/openmoko.inc: oe/openmoko.inc: set PREFERRED_PROVIDER for db[-native] |
| 17:57.17 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1798 10/trunk/oe/packages/libftdi/ (3 files in 2 dirs): oe/libftdi: add 0.9 |
| 17:57.52 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1799 10/trunk/oe/packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb: oe/packages: add cvs to task-openmoko-native-sdk |
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| 19:33.39 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 08:13:10 (13.342 +-13.3 days) (914,167) |
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| 19:46.24 | ole1 | so is phase 1 really gonna happen? |
| 19:46.25 | aloril | ole1: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:46.34 | ole1 | felt like it was supposed to be Jan 1 |
| 19:49.56 | abraxa_ | Phase 1/1.5/2 will definitely happen, yeap |
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| 19:50.44 | Mandarino | Hi |
| 19:50.49 | Mandarino | counter |
| 19:50.50 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 08:04:35 (13.337 +-13.3 days) (915,167) |
| 19:53.44 | MetaBookfoziS | oh it's near... it's just a week |
| 19:53.50 | MetaBookfoziS | and six days:( |
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| 19:56.55 | high-rez | Woot. Got a greenphone. :D |
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| 19:58.30 | Skyhusker | hi |
| 19:58.51 | high-rez | Sure would be nice to see an update on the hardware from FIC. :| |
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| 19:59.54 | aloril2 | it's almost month until counter shows 0, its moving at half speed now ;-) |
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| 20:08.17 | aloril2 | for some testers it could be now though |
| 20:08.43 | high-rez | <--- loosing interest fast. |
| 20:09.52 | MetaBookfoziS | <!--- :( --> |
| 20:10.28 | high-rez | I'm thinking my prototype on 'that other device' could be done before this one ships. :( |
| 20:11.51 | abraxa_ | high-rez: No offense but I'd rather see bug-free hardware than several different versions out of which every single one needs other hardware bug workarounds ;x |
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| 20:12.57 | high-rez | abraxa: The lack of any update on the wiki is driving me nuts. The hardware status needs to be a little more transparent. |
| 20:13.26 | balrog-kun | high-rez: don't hesitate and go with your prototype |
| 20:13.38 | abraxa_ | I'm sure Sean would post news if there were any, so... |
| 20:14.19 | koen_ | if he had time |
| 20:14.33 | koen_ | he's being assaulted by companies and fanboys non-stop |
| 20:14.33 | abraxa_ | Yeah ;) |
| 20:14.44 | abraxa_ | Companies? Why companies? |
| 20:14.57 | koen_ | "hire us, we can do cool shit" |
| 20:15.01 | abraxa_ | lol. |
| 20:15.28 | abraxa_ | Makes me wonder how desperate those companies are |
| 20:16.07 | koen_ | not desperate |
| 20:16.12 | koen_ | openmoko is really high profile |
| 20:16.58 | buz | those companies somehow didnt understand how opensource works |
| 20:17.05 | buz | you do the cool shit first, THEN you get hired |
| 20:17.28 | ewon | counter |
| 20:17.28 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 07:51:16 (13.327 +-13.3 days) (916,167) |
| 20:17.55 | aloril2 | hmm... 2 week freeze on openmoko software has not started? |
| 20:18.49 | aloril2 | maybe counter should be static: > weeks, unknown how much ;-) |
| 20:19.05 | abraxa_ | koen_: I just thought that these companies were desperate for assaulting Sean - I'm used to companies to inquiring only once or twice before they leave you alone |
| 20:19.07 | aloril2 | s/weeks/2 weeks/ |
| 20:19.39 | high-rez | abraxa: Which companies? |
| 20:21.02 | abraxa_ | high-rez: Those trying to offer their services to you: web-design agencies, advertising companies, phone companies, etc |
| 20:24.39 | buz | ah the ones i hang up on |
| 20:25.41 | buz | then again, i generally hang up on anyone trying to sell me something uninvited |
| 20:26.03 | buz | unless its some financial scam, those are way too funny |
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| 20:27.49 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 20:27.57 | *** part/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@63.250.163.171) |
| 20:28.13 | abraxa_ | Luckily I don't have to be the one answering them |
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| 20:28.26 | buz | well at times they call you at home |
| 20:28.59 | abraxa_ | I really hope that they can't do that with Sean |
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| 20:31.02 | buz | abraxa_: well i guess they just try every single number |
| 20:31.12 | buz | cause i sure as hell am not giving out my home number |
| 20:31.38 | [g2] | mickeyl, around ? |
| 20:33.22 | MacNorth | 'release' being the key word ;-) |
| 20:33.43 | buz | specs and date being the most important ones, really |
| 20:33.52 | buz | i reaaaally want wifi |
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| 20:39.01 | high-rez | it'll be interesting to see, if a second rev product contains wifi, what type of battery life it will. The device with wifi I'm using has terrible battery life when the radio is on. |
| 20:39.27 | high-rez | (and I think it's only got a 30mW transmitter) |
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| 20:44.08 | pavelm | Hello, everyone |
| 20:44.15 | pavelm | Are there any news on GPS front? |
| 20:45.15 | koen | pavelm: sadly no |
| 20:45.19 | koen | crap |
| 20:45.23 | koen | and I forgot to ask sean |
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| 20:46.07 | pavelm | koen: There was plans to do phase1 sometimes soon... I guess this is going to slip w/o GPS support? |
| 20:46.34 | koen | looks like it |
| 20:47.23 | pavelm | :-(. Too bad. om should be pretty good GPS receiver. |
| 20:48.39 | stefan_schmidt | If anybody ever meet a global locate employee, shoot in his foot. |
| 20:48.39 | pavelm | There was talk about openmoko patches being merged into mach-s3c2410 repository... is that repository available somewhere? |
| 20:49.19 | pavelm | what is "global locate"? |
| 20:50.18 | ynezz | gps chip vendor probably |
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| 20:51.03 | pavelm | ynezz: Aha, yes, that makes sense. |
| 20:51.05 | pavelm | ynezz: Perhaps we should reverse-engineer their crap, then? |
| 20:52.13 | ynezz | I'm still waiting for P1 device :) |
| 20:52.49 | Mandarino | Me too xD |
| 20:53.19 | pavelm | (My network connection is failing. Sorry if I do not say good bye. GPRS sucks in the mountains). |
| 20:53.40 | pavelm | ynezz: is there any driver for any operating system... for that chip? |
| 20:54.36 | ynezz | http://www.globalocate.com/SEMICONDUCTORS/SEMI_HAMMER_Frameset.htm |
| 20:54.39 | ynezz | dunno |
| 20:54.56 | pavelm | Ok, I guess I'll keep my bluetooth gps, then. |
| 20:55.19 | asdfadf | counter |
| 20:55.19 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 07:32:20 (13.314 +-13.3 days) (917,167) |
| 20:55.25 | ynezz | you need a big pocket then :) |
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| 20:56.50 | ynezz | that counter seems to be in infinite loop |
| 20:56.53 | ynezz | :p |
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| 21:00.23 | GaKkGaKk | Could someone please join #c and tell C_Dreamer I made a wrong joke, and that I already have a book? :) |
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| 21:01.50 | Hopscotch | having been a bit distracted for the last weeks - may i ask what's broken on the gps front? |
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| 21:03.15 | koen_ | Hopscotch: afaik global locate is unable to write a proper driver/plugin for the gps |
| 21:03.28 | woglinde | hi koen |
| 21:03.33 | koen_ | unable in such a way it can be included in openmoko |
| 21:03.35 | koen_ | hey woglinde |
| 21:03.58 | Hopscotch | ouch |
| 21:04.19 | woglinde | hm I have a buisness idea with the moko |
| 21:04.22 | Hopscotch | i guess the problem is a probable binary only think |
| 21:04.50 | woglinde | but dont know if it will work |
| 21:05.02 | JoshTriplett | Does any kind of developer device program exist for the Neo1973? I looked through the various documentation on the wiki and didn't see anything about one one way or the other. |
| 21:05.27 | woglinde | ???? |
| 21:05.36 | woglinde | developer device programm is phase1 |
| 21:05.36 | koen_ | JoshTriplett: write a mail to mickeyl and/or harald |
| 21:05.46 | koen_ | woglinde: a *free* dev device |
| 21:05.58 | woglinde | koen he didnt say this |
| 21:06.01 | JoshTriplett | koen_: Not necessarily, but a discounted one perhaps. |
| 21:06.01 | woglinde | *g* |
| 21:06.45 | koen_ | JoshTriplett: write a mail and they'll be able to tell you if they can get you a free/discounted/regular one |
| 21:07.01 | JoshTriplett | koen_: Thanks! |
| 21:07.10 | koen_ | no garantees, though |
| 21:07.18 | JoshTriplett | koen_: Of course. |
| 21:07.35 | koen | right now they are out of LCDs.... |
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| 21:10.59 | koen | that's the hold-up for releasing the v4 based phones |
| 21:11.16 | JoshTriplett | koen: {laforge,mickey}@openmoko.org ? |
| 21:11.40 | koen | JoshTriplett: yes |
| 21:12.45 | MacNorth | GaKkGaKk: what was your bad joke? :) |
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| 21:15.13 | quitte | is that the final holdup? |
| 21:15.49 | MacNorth | it must be more, otherwise there would be pre-orders now-ish |
| 21:16.20 | koen | quitte: according to sean the hardware is OK |
| 21:16.35 | quitte | that is great news |
| 21:17.19 | koen | lokkju_wrk: like gsm or bluetooth? |
| 21:17.25 | quitte | heh |
| 21:17.56 | lokkju_wrk | koen, heh, sorry, but 802.11a/b/g |
| 21:17.58 | GaKkGaKk | MacNorth: I told them I would rather pirate books than buy them. |
| 21:18.13 | roh | lokkju_wrk only bg is planned for now |
| 21:18.28 | lokkju_wrk | roh, thats fine, even that would be enough |
| 21:18.31 | MacNorth | why pirate or buy when there are plenty of open ones out there? |
| 21:19.08 | mjr | koen, excellent |
| 21:19.08 | GaKkGaKk | MacNorth: Appearantly they thought I meant downloading books from the web... And axed me out :\ |
| 21:19.20 | mjr | hopefully Global Locate can get their act together too... |
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| 21:19.47 | albino | holy crap, there are a lot of people in here |
| 21:19.54 | MacNorth | love that tolerance :-\ |
| 21:19.55 | koen | btw, the bluetooth chips in on a seperate board, so you can design a board with wifi and plug it in |
| 21:19.58 | albino | I was expecting at least 1/8 this many |
| 21:20.00 | koen | since it's just USB :) |
| 21:20.19 | albino | anyway, what's the architecture for this neo thinger? |
| 21:20.19 | aloril | albino: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 21:20.49 | quitte | i'd prefer a free gps app that makes it easy for uers to create free maps instead of any deals to et closed maps. but i guess thats minorities opinion |
| 21:21.02 | GaKkGaKk | MacNorth: The real joke is that I already have the book... |
| 21:21.09 | MacNorth | hah! |
| 21:22.35 | MacNorth | pretty harsh operators |
| 21:23.59 | quitte | koen: wow. is the expansion port documented somewhere? |
| 21:24.43 | Hopscotch | i guess the pinout will leak :) |
| 21:24.43 | koen | quitte: no, but it's only a few pins |
| 21:24.45 | GaKkGaKk | Yep... They didn't help much while I was in there though :) Can't help but think that the people in #python are nicer... ;) |
| 21:25.05 | quitte | koen: do you know wha the power supply is? |
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| 21:25.39 | koen | I suspect 3.3 V |
| 21:26.02 | koen | but someone will have to measure it |
| 21:26.32 | quitte | great. now i'll have to stare at the photos to figure out the maximum dimesions for that board ;) |
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| 21:26.50 | quitte | but i guess that can be expanded with a dremel |
| 21:26.55 | Hopscotch | rofl |
| 21:27.04 | koen | 1x4 cm or something |
| 21:27.07 | MacNorth | almost anything can be expanded with a dremel :) |
| 21:27.37 | Hopscotch | especially smd multilayer pcbs |
| 21:27.49 | koen | quitte: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/412616264/in/set-72157594573486523/ |
| 21:27.59 | koen | I highlighted the board |
| 21:28.12 | quitte | heh i really have to stop using irc in a terminal |
| 21:28.14 | quitte | thank |
| 21:28.16 | quitte | s |
| 21:29.05 | Hopscotch | should be four pins on the connector - usb and vcc |
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| 21:30.28 | fholmes_laptop | So does anyone have the developer editions of this phone yet? |
| 21:30.29 | aloril | fholmes_laptop: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 21:31.45 | woglinde | fholmes serval people have a phase0 phone |
| 21:32.47 | quitte | it really looks an awful lot like just an usb stick |
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| 21:34.08 | pavelm | Hopscotch: Actually the screen is totaly unusable. |
| 21:34.21 | pavelm | ...it seems to work pretty well indoors, and is indeed very nice. |
| 21:34.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] |
| 21:34.29 | pavelm | ...but it is unreadable in direct sunlight. |
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| 21:34.36 | pavelm | ...which is a showstopper for a phone. |
| 21:34.39 | fholmes_laptop | Wow. Are they still available and how much would one cost. would it be pointless to buy a dev phone if I am not really planning on doing any developement on there? |
| 21:35.08 | pavelm | ...along with missing stylus holder, I guess. Something to fix in new version, I guess. |
| 21:35.21 | Hopscotch | pavelm: the stylus is nagging me as well |
| 21:35.32 | Hopscotch | pavelm: the thing with the display is true |
| 21:35.45 | Hopscotch | pavelm: i fear that the resolution is just a bit overkill |
| 21:35.56 | Hopscotch | pavelm: every bit of dirt is bigger than a single pixel... |
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| 21:36.19 | pavelm | fholmes: dunno if they are still available. AFAICT some should be available |
| 21:36.29 | pavelm | fholmes: But they are terminally broken w.r.t. power management. |
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| 21:38.41 | fholmes_laptop | Cool, well either way I subscribed to the annouce list, so I should get the upcoming pre-orders. |
| 21:38.44 | pavelm | hopscotch: Dunno if resolution conflicts with sunglight-readability . |
| 21:38.46 | fholmes_laptop | Thanks |
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| 21:39.43 | Hopscotch | pavelm: don't know. i just saw it thought "whow - that's a display"... and then after a while fighting dust i thought "more is not always better" |
| 21:39.53 | Hopscotch | a bit bigger and everything would be perfect |
| 21:40.00 | Hopscotch | not considering the sunlight of course |
| 21:42.14 | pavelm | actually, that's software problem. We should not use as small details as we are using. |
| 21:43.09 | Hopscotch | but then the display could do with less resolution and we would save cpupower as well |
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| 21:46.54 | pavelm | well, more resulion means nicer fonts etc, so it is not entirely wasted power. |
| 21:47.33 | greentux | counter |
| 21:47.34 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 07:06:13 (13.296 +-13.3 days) (918,167) |
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| 22:13.46 | kiney_ | counter |
| 22:13.46 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 06:53:07 (13.287 +-13.3 days) (919,167) |
| 22:23.51 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 22:50.18 | fix-- | still no news on when the neo is going to go in fase 1? |
| 22:50.47 | fix-- | no news = exact date ? |
| 22:50.53 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 22:51.03 | SpeedEvil | There is still no news. |
| 22:51.06 | roh | fix-- nope |
| 22:51.07 | fix-- | :) |
| 22:51.09 | fix-- | ah k |
| 22:51.16 | fix-- | to bad |
| 22:51.23 | fix-- | I'm really looking forward |
| 22:51.30 | roh | fix-- nothing i know of (and i already have a P0 and see harald every few days in person) |
| 22:52.15 | fix-- | roh, will there be any requirements as to who can get one in phase 1? |
| 22:52.18 | koen | the news: 15% yield on the screens |
| 22:52.29 | SpeedEvil | roh: Any news on what the tests on the V4 hardware revealed? |
| 22:52.42 | koen | SpeedEvil: no bugs, but they can't get enough screens |
| 22:52.47 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 22:52.50 | roh | fix-- nope.. besides about 350$ ;) |
| 22:53.09 | fix-- | I paid more for a stupid windows mobile |
| 22:53.15 | fix-- | the one with built in gps |
| 22:53.27 | fix-- | I used it about 6 times |
| 22:53.34 | fix-- | 4 times it sent me to the wrong place :s |
| 22:53.45 | SpeedEvil | roh: So is it just waiting on screens ATM? |
| 22:53.54 | fix-- | and then I'm starting about the responsivness |
| 22:54.38 | koen | SpeedEvil: that's what sean said this morning |
| 22:54.58 | roh | SpeedEvil i dunno if i should ack that or better say nothing ;) but i must admit: atm its not the mokos hardware team's fault |
| 22:55.40 | SpeedEvil | K |
| 22:56.02 | roh | and YES.. you guys will propably be the first to know and to slashdot the webshop |
| 22:56.20 | SpeedEvil | Personally. If the team can produce working hardware, I'm much happier. |
| 22:56.29 | SpeedEvil | Even if component vendors let them down. |
| 22:56.34 | roh | you are already faster that the coreteam on fixing wiki-vandalism ;) |
| 22:56.39 | SpeedEvil | Worst case, screens can be changed. |
| 22:56.49 | roh | worst case. |
| 22:57.02 | roh | lets hope it will not come down to that |
| 22:57.08 | koen | worst case you can buy the screens as 'add-on' ;) |
| 22:57.50 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. It'd be extremely lucky to avoid a case and PCB respin on changing the screen. |
| 22:58.23 | SpeedEvil | Just wish there were nice cheap small SAW screens. |
| 22:59.04 | SrRaven | SAW ? |
| 22:59.11 | SpeedEvil | Surface Accoustic WAve. |
| 22:59.17 | balrog-kun | at some point LCDs will reach the DPI reoslution of a DVD |
| 22:59.32 | SpeedEvil | Basically it pings the screen glass and listens for the dead spot of a finger or stylus. |
| 22:59.43 | SpeedEvil | The nice thing is that you can use diamond coated glass for the screen. |
| 22:59.51 | SpeedEvil | Bye Bye scratches. |
| 22:59.58 | SrRaven | sounds like its as expensive as a house |
| 23:00.03 | SpeedEvil | Actually not. |
| 23:00.14 | SpeedEvil | They are _mass_ produced for use in checkout scanner windows. |
| 23:00.35 | SpeedEvil | where they are used to read barcodes through, while having tins dragged over them all day. |
| 23:00.47 | SpeedEvil | (the glass) |
| 23:01.23 | SrRaven | I got a question,i'm pretty new to wikis and stuff and just saw the music player entry,how do I add a feature request ? |
| 23:01.38 | SpeedEvil | Would it fit in the 'use cases' section? |
| 23:01.49 | SpeedEvil | Basically. Create an account. |
| 23:01.54 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r1800 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/setup.sh: |
| 23:01.54 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Added command-line option "-c config_file" to load a specific configuration |
| 23:01.54 | CIA-16 | openmoko: file. |
| 23:02.01 | SpeedEvil | Find the section you want to edit on the page in question. |
| 23:02.14 | SpeedEvil | click the 'edit' link on the right hand side of the page just above it. |
| 23:03.05 | SrRaven | Questions and Answers would that fit? |
| 23:03.24 | SpeedEvil | moment |
| 23:04.17 | SpeedEvil | depends what it is. |
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| 23:04.30 | SpeedEvil | Q&A may be appropriate, or implementation recommendations. |
| 23:05.10 | SrRaven | im gonna do it in the latter |
| 23:05.33 | SpeedEvil | Or use cases if it's simply some way you want to use it. |
| 23:05.47 | SpeedEvil | Grammar is generally easy to fix. |
| 23:06.51 | SrRaven | can I pm ya what im about to add ? |
| 23:06.54 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 23:07.22 | abraxa_ | SrRaven: If it's a question/request, please add it to the talk page |
| 23:07.36 | SrRaven | cool with me |
| 23:07.43 | abraxa_ | Thanks ;3 |
| 23:08.09 | SrRaven | Ehm,where is it ? |
| 23:09.17 | abraxa_ | It's the "discussion" page you can see at the top |
| 23:10.53 | SrRaven | k found it thanks |
| 23:11.19 | abraxa_ | You're welcome |
| 23:11.51 | abraxa_ | And you can sign your entry by using four tildes (~~~~) which will automatically expand to your name and the date |
| 23:14.05 | SrRaven | ok done |
| 23:15.34 | SrRaven | ouch i just read openmoko wont be able to do fullscreen video :( |
| 23:16.16 | abraxa_ | Yeah, unfortunately - however even 320x240 should look just fine |
| 23:16.54 | SrRaven | if 320x240 would be native screen resolution I would agree,but a video not fullsize on a mobile device looks weird |
| 23:17.15 | SpeedEvil | It's scaled in the LCD hardware |
| 23:17.20 | SpeedEvil | not postage stamp |
| 23:17.36 | SrRaven | and for noobs that means...? |
| 23:17.41 | SpeedEvil | It's fullscreen. |
| 23:17.45 | SpeedEvil | Just lower res. |
| 23:18.01 | SrRaven | meh |
| 23:18.14 | abraxa_ | Why meh? |
| 23:18.22 | SpeedEvil | It's a 2.8" screen. |
| 23:18.35 | mjr | have people actually succeeded in playing decent quality 320x240 video yet? |
| 23:18.35 | SpeedEvil | You'll only be able to tell a difference with the display under 20cm from your eyes. |
| 23:19.31 | SrRaven | mmh |
| 23:20.20 | abraxa_ | SrRaven: Is there a standard for storing cover art? E.g. always having something like "cover.jpg" in the directory? |
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| 23:22.49 | SrRaven | mostly its up to the user |
| 23:22.53 | SrRaven | I got Folder.jpg |
| 23:23.07 | SrRaven | some use cover,some use album_art as name |
| 23:23.43 | abraxa_ | Hm |
| 23:23.47 | SrRaven | it really does depend on the media player you use |
| 23:24.14 | abraxa_ | Yeah, I figured something like that - either way there should be only one .jpg in the directory so just using that should work |
| 23:24.26 | SrRaven | I use foobar (windows) and its just a single line in a config I have to change for it to find the cover art |
| 23:25.08 | nonickatm | question -> the neo1973 will be the unique phone based in openmoko or will be there other models? |
| 23:25.15 | SpeedEvil | other models. |
| 23:25.30 | SpeedEvil | The idea is basically for FIC to become a 'PC' type phone maker. |
| 23:25.31 | abraxa_ | SrRaven: Okay. Not using any config would be nicer, though ;) |
| 23:25.35 | balrog-kun | nonickatm: there will be other models, and there will be non-phone devices |
| 23:25.37 | SpeedEvil | Selling the hardware only. |
| 23:25.49 | SpeedEvil | The software is free. |
| 23:25.51 | balrog-kun | (there is one already) |
| 23:25.58 | SpeedEvil | And any hardware maker can install it on their device. |
| 23:26.41 | SpeedEvil | FIC would make more margin selling to end users this way, rather than being a subcontractor for Nokia building phones to lowest bid. |
| 23:27.55 | nonickatm | great, if someone has got cam + {microsd|minisd|whatever} + optionally fm radio just for fun (and coolness too :P) I would be really interested |
| 23:28.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Music_Player]] |
| 23:28.55 | SpeedEvil | FM would be nice. |
| 23:29.45 | nonickatm | wouldn't be possible listen fm via streaming media? |
| 23:29.47 | openstandards | do you think they will ever add a gpu? |
| 23:29.54 | *** part/#openmoko GaKkGaKk (n=Viko@93.80-202-221.nextgentel.com) |
| 23:30.06 | SpeedEvil | nonickatm: Sure - but bandwidth is a problem. |
| 23:30.07 | openstandards | to handles 3d work |
| 23:30.57 | abraxa_ | openstandards: I'm sure they will, just... when |
| 23:31.58 | mjr | openstandards, "ever" is a long time. |
| 23:32.05 | openstandards | indeed it is, just can see it being popular with home brew game creators |
| 23:33.24 | nonickatm | well for me a vga cam would be enough, because people will always complain of bad quality of the photos |
| 23:33.27 | openstandards | i can see FIC doing well out of this they seem to have their heads screwed on |
| 23:33.46 | mjr | openstandards, we all hope so |
| 23:34.22 | SrRaven | the only thing that the openmoko would need for me to buy it 100% is a cam,I would seriously be happy with a VGA resolution cam,just need a cam |
| 23:34.46 | cjb | buy a camera, then |
| 23:34.52 | openstandards | i'd rather see wifi rather than a camera |
| 23:35.33 | SrRaven | well cjb I dont want to carry a rather big mobile and a camera around....thats what smartphones are for :P |
| 23:35.54 | openstandards | with wifi the possibilities are endless |
| 23:37.01 | *** join/#openmoko josh__ (n=josh@toroon63-1177846144.sdsl.bell.ca) |
| 23:38.10 | josh__ | hello. |
| 23:38.20 | SrRaven | hola |
| 23:38.31 | MacNorth | konnichiwa |
| 23:38.36 | josh__ | curious if anyone knows anything about bulk orders? looking to surprise my fellow employees |
| 23:38.36 | aloril | josh__: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 23:39.42 | MacNorth | FIC says they can make as many as are ordered. there isn't any solid estimate on when pre-orders will start, tho |
| 23:39.55 | MacNorth | dunno about quantity discounts |
| 23:42.21 | josh__ | well I've got canada covered. haahha.. ive been spreading the love about this phone. |
| 23:42.21 | pavelm | balrog: non-phone devices, openmoko compatible? I did not know about that. What's the one? |
| 23:43.37 | balrog-kun | pavelm: there are three machines currently supported by the linux & u-boot in openmoko svn |
| 23:43.50 | balrog-kun | the development board, the GTA01 and the HXD8 |
| 23:43.57 | balrog-kun | as i understand it HXD8 is a non-phone |
| 23:45.09 | pavelm | balrog: Okay, devel board does not count; but what is hxd8? |
| 23:46.21 | balrog-kun | pavelm: there's no official statement on it |
| 23:47.46 | pavelm | balrog: Google returned some commit logs, but that's it. If someone has (unofficial) photo, let me know :-) |
| 23:48.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r1801 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/mmcinit-power-up.patch: |
| 23:48.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: board/neo1973/neo1973.c (board_late_init): moved MMC power-up to separate |
| 23:48.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: function |
| 23:48.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/mmc.c (mmc_init): call mmc_power_up and return -ENODEV |
| 23:48.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: immediately if there is no card |
| 23:48.39 | balrog-kun | i don't know if the case is designed yet :P but there are pictures of the PCB on the internal wiki |
| 23:50.19 | peepsalot | hxd8? Highly Extreme Device...8bit? |
| 23:50.33 | SpeedEvil | No, don't be silly. |
| 23:50.36 | peepsalot | er, eXtreme i mean, of course |
| 23:50.39 | SpeedEvil | it's a new gaming system. |
| 23:50.43 | SpeedEvil | ... d8 |
| 23:51.07 | josh__ | is it possible to a/ without a service provider b/ be able to transmit voip to the device? or u still need to connect to some tower, etc. etc? |
| 23:51.25 | SpeedEvil | you can talk to it via bluetooth or USB |
| 23:51.36 | SpeedEvil | you cannot talk point-point with standard GSM radios. |
| 23:52.00 | josh__ | so what if we created Open Source Towers? |
| 23:52.15 | josh__ | id be grateful to participate in such events. |
| 23:52.20 | peepsalot | who will pay the construction and electric bill |
| 23:52.34 | josh__ | my company. |
| 23:52.37 | SpeedEvil | josh__: Highly illegal in most places. |
| 23:52.49 | C7 | the uboot patches say hxd8 has gsm and gps :) |
| 23:53.05 | josh__ | what about like wimax towers? I know you can operate under different frequencies that dont require a license such as 5.8ghz |
| 23:53.23 | SpeedEvil | Well - that's wimax. |
| 23:53.26 | SpeedEvil | That isn't in the phone. |
| 23:53.28 | balrog-kun | C7: doesn't mean it's a phone |
| 23:53.35 | C7 | but mickey said its not a phone |
| 23:53.37 | C7 | .. |
| 23:53.53 | SpeedEvil | Could be anything from a truck tracker, to ... |
| 23:53.59 | peepsalot | josh__, why wouuld your company pay for free phone service? |
| 23:54.13 | josh__ | to help connect the world to open source. |
| 23:54.39 | josh__ | I hope you realize im not messing around. |
| 23:55.03 | peepsalot | sure, but what is their motive? will they be able to profit in any way? |
| 23:55.03 | josh__ | If it wasnt for open source, I wouldnt be here today, where I am. |
| 23:55.14 | josh__ | I run the company. |
| 23:55.20 | SpeedEvil | Right. |
| 23:55.28 | SpeedEvil | Do enough unprofitable stuff, and there is no company. |
| 23:55.49 | josh__ | agreed. Dont worry about profits, Im looking at whether it can be done or not. |
| 23:56.28 | SpeedEvil | You can't put up your own GSM towers. |
| 23:56.38 | SpeedEvil | (unless there is no law nearby) |
| 23:56.40 | openstandards | need a license |
| 23:56.44 | josh__ | ok fine. what can we put up then that will work with teh openMoko? |
| 23:56.47 | SpeedEvil | Nothing. |
| 23:56.54 | SpeedEvil | wifi or bluetooth at the moment. |
| 23:57.09 | peepsalot | IR towers! |
| 23:57.12 | SpeedEvil | well - bluetooth at the moment to be strictrly accurate. |
| 23:57.12 | peepsalot | hehe |
| 23:57.24 | openstandards | josh__, its a government problem |
| 23:57.26 | josh__ | ok. so... theoretically if you where in a car with a wimax device, you could theoretically bridge the two? |
| 23:57.30 | josh__ | fuck the government. |
| 23:57.44 | josh__ | thats no excuse. |
| 23:57.47 | SpeedEvil | If you go putting up your own GSM towers, other peoples phones stop working. |
| 23:57.51 | josh__ | people need open source. |
| 23:57.53 | josh__ | not microsoft. |
| 23:57.54 | SpeedEvil | And you should IMO be shot. |
| 23:57.58 | openstandards | nah josh__ they have too many STDs... |
| 23:58.12 | openstandards | would be unhealthy |
| 23:58.18 | SpeedEvil | open source != free bandwidth. |
| 23:58.56 | SpeedEvil | Bandwidth will always be a constraint. |
| 23:58.56 | SpeedEvil | Wimax is _vastly_ over-hyped. |
| 23:58.57 | josh__ | agreed. |
| 23:59.14 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 23:59.22 | openstandards | SpeedEvil, do you know what they do with the olpc concerning wifi? |
| 23:59.22 | SpeedEvil | 60GHz is a possible interesting case. |
| 23:59.37 | SpeedEvil | They are using 'mesh' routing. |
| 23:59.42 | cjb | openstandards: we have a wifi chip that implements mesh networking, 802.11s. |
| 23:59.44 | SpeedEvil | Which sort-of-works in many cases. |
| 23:59.58 | SpeedEvil | Mesh networking is also alas overhyped by some. |
