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| 01:06.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Games]] [[Talk:IM]] [[Wishlist:More/Custom_Input_Method_Widgets]] |
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| 02:33.24 | aloril | (script) planet: Koen Kooi: ELC 2007 http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/elc-2007 |
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| 03:54.41 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, a day 08:05:18 (15.337 +-14.0 days) (873,163) |
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| 06:02.37 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, a day 05:57:22 (15.248 +-14.0 days) (874,163) |
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| 06:09.07 | rwhitby | FYI: I will be away from IRC from 17th to 27th April (holidays). I have given my P0 phone to Joel Stanley (who is a Google SoC developer for One Laptop Per Child) for that duration to see what he can do with it in that time. Please welcome him if he appears here :-) |
| 06:10.00 | rwhitby | Hopefully MokoMakefile won't break during that time. I expect OE and OM to break, but that will be up to upstream to fix those things :-) |
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| 06:54.15 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:26.07 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, a day 04:33:52 (15.190 +-14.0 days) (875,163) |
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| 07:49.40 | hrw | morning |
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| 07:54.55 | Stephmw | heya |
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| 08:14.07 | roh | rwhitby: if it breaks we at least have a reason to throw time on fixing the svn on projects *ducks* |
| 08:15.23 | roh | but have fun on your holiday :) |
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| 08:28.28 | florian | good morning |
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| 08:33.06 | rwhitby | roh: thx :-) |
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| 08:40.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Massi]] |
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| 08:56.50 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, a day 03:03:09 (15.127 +-14.0 days) (876,164) |
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| 09:03.28 | CoreDump|afk | CM|Philippines: ping |
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| 09:50.12 | Raja | http://www.pastebin.ca/442468 |
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| 09:57.20 | rwhitby | Raja: that's a problem with your host OS, not with any of the build environment or openmoko stuff. |
| 09:59.50 | shenki | hello rwhitby |
| 10:00.05 | rwhitby | g'day shenki |
| 10:00.07 | shenki | joel here |
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| 10:00.20 | rwhitby | yup |
| 10:00.59 | shenki | :) got the phone plugged in; does it have it's own IP, or? |
| 10:00.59 | aloril | shenki: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 10:01.20 | shenki | woah. that's creepy. |
| 10:01.30 | rwhitby | shenki: you need cdc_ether to talk to it |
| 10:01.52 | rwhitby | it has IP 192.168.0.202 and expects the usb0 interface on host to be 192.168.0.200 |
| 10:02.29 | shenki | ok, cheers |
| 10:02.40 | rwhitby | have you used usbnet before? |
| 10:02.53 | shenki | no, i haven't |
| 10:03.14 | rwhitby | iface usb0 inet static |
| 10:03.14 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.14 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.41 | rwhitby | when you plug it in, kernel should load cdc-ether module to enable usb0 device. |
| 10:04.52 | shenki | yeah, i've got the usb0 device. network manager tried to grab an IP from the phone; it was quite confusing for a moment |
| 10:09.51 | shenki | rwhitby: i'm not too crash hot on my linux networking. our LAN uses 192.168.0.0/16. when i ping 192.168.0.202, i'm getting host unreachable. is there anything else i need to set up? |
| 10:10.31 | rwhitby | does ifconfig show usb0 up with that IP address? |
| 10:12.32 | shenki | i put the iface block into /etc/network/interfaces, and ran ifup. so now it has .200 |
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| 10:18.23 | hrw | shenki: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/03/22/hotpluging-usbnet/ |
| 10:19.27 | rwhitby | hrw: thx |
| 10:21.14 | shenki | hrw: thanks for that... lets see how i go now |
| 10:22.02 | shenki | hrw: what does the 'network' line do? |
| 10:22.39 | hrw | shenki: its default configuration for interface |
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| 10:24.25 | shenki | hmm. no love yet. |
| 10:25.43 | rwhitby | shenki: I'll leave you in these good folk's hands. I need to go and pack for the flight tomorrow. |
| 10:26.01 | shenki | rwhitby: no worries. have a good trip |
| 10:26.32 | hrw | rwhitby: enjoy holidays |
| 10:26.42 | hrw | shenki: usbnet loaded on host? |
| 10:26.47 | hrw | lsusb show neo? |
| 10:26.55 | hrw | Bus 003 Device 063: ID 1457:5122 FIC Neo1973 kernel usbnet (g_ether, RNDIS) Mode |
| 10:27.32 | shenki | i have a 1457:5122, yep |
| 10:27.50 | hrw | ok. |
| 10:27.52 | rwhitby | hrw: thx. I'm expecting shenki to have offline IMAP working by the time I get back on the 30th ... |
| 10:28.06 | shenki | hehe |
| 10:28.12 | hrw | shenki: sudo bash;ifconfig usb0 |
| 10:28.29 | hrw | shenki: or even (as root): ifdown usb0;ifup usb0 |
| 10:28.49 | shenki | yeah, i've ifdown/up'd |
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| 10:32.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Press_Coverage]] |
| 10:42.44 | ynezz | counter |
| 10:42.44 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, a day 01:17:15 (15.054 +-14.0 days) (877,164) |
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| 12:22.23 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1779 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (ChangeLog src/contacts-groups-editor.c src/contacts-omoko.c): |
| 12:22.23 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/contacts-groups-editor.c: |
| 12:22.23 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (contacts_groups_pane_update_selection), (contacts_groups_new_cb): |
| 12:22.23 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/contacts-omoko.c: (add_menu_item), |
| 12:22.23 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (contacts_ui_update_groups_list): |
| 12:22.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Add a "No Groups" message to the details pane when there are no groups defined |
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| 12:27.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] |
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| 12:51.35 | filippo | counter |
| 12:51.35 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 23:08:24 (14.964 +-14.0 days) (878,164) |
| 12:52.02 | Rakshasa | Hopefully tomorrow ^^ |
| 12:52.31 | filippo | good |
| 12:54.59 | filippo | it's easy use phone book with finger in real device? |
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| 13:09.54 | sannes | Rakshasa: : tomorrow ? |
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| 13:15.24 | Rakshasa | sannes: ~15 days +/- 14 = 1 - 29 days... =P So, hopefully tomorrow, with my luck, next month. |
| 13:16.37 | Vegar | it's very very unlikely that it will happen tomorrow or in the next two weeks |
| 13:19.51 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1780 10/trunk/oe/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): oe: add own version of vte, fixing #468 |
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| 13:43.58 | sannes | I wonder if we get an update when those issues that delayed it in the first place is resolved .. |
| 14:04.12 | PBeck | hi |
| 14:04.21 | SpeedEvil | hi. |
| 14:05.04 | poffy | In the Hardware Wish_list, on the wiki, what are the chances of some of these ideas being implemented? |
| 14:05.12 | poffy | Like, WiFi hardware |
| 14:05.19 | SpeedEvil | Wifi is almost certain. |
| 14:05.27 | poffy | Awesome |
| 14:05.28 | SpeedEvil | Though not for P1 |
| 14:05.36 | SpeedEvil | If P1 does not slip to P1.5 |
| 14:05.40 | poffy | P1? |
| 14:05.55 | SpeedEvil | The version that should have been sold to developers for $350 now. |
| 14:06.01 | SpeedEvil | but has been delayed a bit. |
| 14:06.04 | poffy | ah |
| 14:06.29 | SpeedEvil | AIUI, certainly for the release in September. |
| 14:06.49 | poffy | Sounds good |
| 14:07.06 | poffy | That'll definitely motivate to code for OpenMoko, now |
| 14:07.26 | poffy | I was trying to decide if I wanted to get an OpenMoko or some other small internet handheld dvice |
| 14:07.57 | abraxa_ | poffy: WiFi will definitely be around sooner or later so you shouldn't let P1/P1.5 stop you anyway ;3 |
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| 14:17.59 | BenC_ | nc |
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| 14:21.03 | hrw | 1.5 will have faster cpu and faster graphics - that is known already for sure (no details) |
| 14:21.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Bootable_USB_device_emulation]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 14:22.03 | accept | Hello |
| 14:22.19 | accept | can I install openmoko on my iPAQ ? |
| 14:22.19 | aloril | accept: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 14:23.23 | accept | probably not... |
| 14:24.16 | hrw | accept: you can |
| 14:24.27 | accept | but will everything work OK |
| 14:24.36 | accept | (not that WM 5.0 does) |
| 14:24.56 | hrw | accept: keep in mind that openmoko is not finished |
| 14:25.19 | accept | hrw: ok... so it should work... generally... |
| 14:25.45 | accept | I have a suggestion, I would like OpenMoko to have Mono in it... that'd be really cool |
| 14:27.11 | abraxa_ | accept: Keep in mind the Neo only has 266MHz in its current incarnation so I'm not sure about the performance of such high-level languages |
| 14:27.25 | accept | ok |
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| 14:28.11 | accept | I am kinda afraid to install OpenMoko on my iPAQ, but it's the only Linux distro for these PocketPC's, with a decent design |
| 14:28.44 | Basheri | python ftw |
| 14:30.20 | abraxa_ | Afraid? Why afraid? |
| 14:31.06 | accept | because, I have never done a installation of an OS to these PC's not even Windows, and second it's not finished |
| 14:31.36 | abraxa_ | Okay, that may be a little challenging then |
| 14:32.10 | accept | anyway, how do you install a os to these PC's? |
| 14:32.20 | abraxa_ | You mean the Neo1973? |
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| 14:32.45 | accept | well, both, the iPAQs and the Neo... |
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| 14:32.55 | accept | how do you do it on the Neo |
| 14:33.11 | accept | if you buy it empty |
| 14:33.23 | accept | without any software |
| 14:33.37 | abraxa_ | The Neo will come with OpenMoko pre-installed so there's no need to install anything |
| 14:33.51 | accept | but IF there wasn't anything |
| 14:34.26 | accept | there isn't a CD-ROM drive to install it from a CD |
| 14:34.33 | abraxa_ | Then you'd use the devirginator: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Devirginator |
| 14:35.20 | abraxa_ | That's true but the phone has a JTAG port that can be connected to a PC's USB port using the debug board |
| 14:35.24 | cbaird | abraxa_: pre-installed? Sheesh, there goes the credibility as a Hacker's Phone. :) |
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| 14:37.19 | accept | can I ask how you developed it, and tested it... you certainly can't compile code on a Neo |
| 14:37.39 | cbaird | And there I was with images in my head of having to enter the bootcode in via the (touchscreen) keypad... |
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| 14:39.05 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 21:20:54 (14.890 +-14.0 days) (879,164) |
| 14:39.17 | guaqua | has someone looked into widsets? |
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| 14:40.40 | Stephmw | guaqua: that requires a JVM, no? |
| 14:41.01 | guaqua | no idea, i only just opened the website |
| 14:43.32 | guaqua | those widsets just would be a fine addition :/ |
| 14:43.50 | abraxa_ | cbaird: I think using a touchscreen to run console commands on a tiny linux device qualifies you more to be a "hacker" than following instructions on how to flash the firmware ;) |
| 14:44.37 | Stephmw | guaqua: most of the bits are there, you just need to assemble them :) |
| 14:45.10 | guaqua | Stephmw: yep yep :) and maybe write some low level code in the process ;) |
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| 14:47.11 | Stephmw | guaqua: nah, nah, that's just for bitmonkeys |
| 14:49.32 | guaqua | haha |
| 14:50.44 | guaqua | ooh |
| 14:50.52 | guaqua | rm -rf build takes some time :S |
| 14:51.16 | guaqua | like minutes |
| 14:53.36 | Stephmw | meh, that's nothing. rm -rf / build times are huge... mine can take over 10mins |
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| 14:55.57 | abraxa_ | "build" time, lol |
| 14:58.06 | Stephmw | sure! more datail... "creating an empty ext3 filesystem using rm -rf /" takes a long 'build' time :D |
| 14:58.49 | Hopscotch | s |
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| 15:15.14 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 20:44:45 (14.864 +-14.0 days) (880,165) |
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| 15:16.29 | poffy | I'm trying to get Openmoko libs set-up, right now |
| 15:16.32 | poffy | But it's failing |
| 15:16.51 | poffy | Apparently, my DEPS aren't good enough |
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| 15:16.59 | poffy | "gtk+-2.0 >= 2.6" |
| 15:17.21 | poffy | I check on this, and apparently, my distro's gtk packate is only at 2.0 when 2.10 is out, I believe |
| 15:17.30 | poffy | suggestions? |
| 15:23.21 | poffy | configure is also wanting libgsmd, which I didn't know I needed |
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| 15:30.28 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 20:29:31 (14.854 +-14.0 days) (881,165) |
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| 15:31.13 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rob * r1781 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-message-dialog.c): |
| 15:31.13 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 2007-04-16 Rob Bradford <rob@openedhand.com> |
| 15:31.13 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-message-dialog.c: (moko_message_dialog_map), |
| 15:31.13 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_message_dialog_class_init), (moko_message_dialog_realize_cb), |
| 15:31.14 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_message_dialog_expose_event_cb), (moko_message_dialog_init): |
| 15:31.17 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Add support for pseudo-transparent blending of the dialog box's |
| 15:31.19 | CIA-16 | openmoko: background. |
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| 15:31.36 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 20:28:23 (14.853 +-14.0 days) (882,165) |
| 15:32.31 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rob * r1782 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard/gtk-2.0/openmoko-message-dialog-background.png: Add new background artwork for MokoMessageDialog |
| 15:36.51 | poffy | Does anyone in here run Ubuntu as their distro? |
| 15:37.42 | MetaMorfoziS | yes |
| 15:38.19 | poffy | MetaMorfoziS: Did you get the openmoko-libs to compile? |
| 15:38.33 | MetaMorfoziS | i'm never tryed |
| 15:38.39 | poffy | ah |
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| 16:33.26 | prom | poffy: building openmoko-libs standalone would be a little more difficult due to its dependencies. |
| 16:34.06 | prom | poffy: itd be easier to build it as a part of a full openmoko build. you can do that for x86 too, not only for the device(s). |
| 16:34.56 | prom | poffy: and yes, that works pretty well on ubuntu. edgy in my case. |
| 16:36.05 | ewon | [ot] don't suppose anyone here is in LA, Santa Monica specifically? |
| 16:36.58 | simon_ | prom: is it possible to build full openmoko for x86 whit mokomakefile? |
| 16:38.30 | prom | simon_: yes, more or less. you have to edit build/conf/local.conf, replacing the target. this change would probably get lost when you do "make setup". but appart from that, it works. |
| 16:40.32 | prom | simon_: the variable you have to change is "MACHINE". you can use "x86" or "qemux86" for it. the later results in images for qemu, but they dont really work due to touchscreen driver issues. if you want an emulator, build for the neo and use the hacked qemu from openmoko svn. |
| 16:40.59 | Stephmw | ewon: forwarding your query in other chans... not getting any answers yet |
| 16:41.13 | prom | simon_: BUT the packages, root filesystem and so on are usable for compiling and doing testruns with xnest/xoo. |
| 16:41.21 | ewon | Stephmw: cheers |
| 16:41.33 | simon_ | prom: thx |
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| 16:43.50 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1783 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (ChangeLog src/contacts-omoko.c): |
| 16:43.50 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/contacts-omoko.c: (create_contacts_list), |
| 16:43.50 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (create_main_window): Don't use MokoNavigationView. Fixes bug 472. |
| 16:50.58 | simon_ | prom: shulld i use make all when i've changed build/conf/local.conf? |
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| 17:21.32 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 18:38:28 (14.777 +-14.0 days) (885,165) |
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| 17:37.03 | zecke | philippe: there is not much sense with talking to an autobuilder :) |
| 17:37.33 | zecke | philippe: also changing the milestone is nothing the bbclass likes or will recognize |
| 17:37.45 | philippe | zecke: indeed :-) |
| 17:38.06 | philippe | But I just put in the information for the person handling the bug after the autobuilder. |
| 17:38.09 | hrw | re |
| 17:39.05 | philippe | zecke: is that the weird stuff in the patch? I guessed mickeyl was smart enough to figure that out :-) |
| 17:39.18 | zecke | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=397 is the current error of http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showlog.pl?machine_id=190&logfile=20070416185145.log |
| 17:39.40 | zecke | philippe: that is weird stuff (an empty patch) |
| 17:42.35 | zecke | philippe: I wonder if the buildhost has bad connectivity or if the upstream is bad |
| 17:43.05 | philippe | zecke: I think there is bad connectivity for some stuff. Like portmap always showing up in builds |
| 17:43.07 | zecke | philippe: anyway the added sha256sums to OE should allow us to fail in do_fetch already... |
| 17:43.22 | philippe | I know I changed the mirror for that one on my machine |
| 17:43.31 | philippe | zecke: indeed. That would be nice... |
| 17:43.46 | zecke | bbl |
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| 18:08.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Speedevil]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 18:10.09 | prom | simon_: oh. sorry i missed that. you dont have to do anything special. you can make all. or openmoko-devel-image. |
| 18:12.34 | simon_ | prom: ok, whats the diffrent between make all and openmoko-delvel-image? |
| 18:13.12 | prom | simon_: it also builds "openmoko-devel-tools". |
| 18:13.25 | prom | simon_: which is dfu-util and friends. |
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| 18:13.47 | simon_ | prom: ok, thanks :) |
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| 18:45.50 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1784 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:45.50 | CIA-16 | openmoko: openmoko-libs: rename moko_search_box_make_visible to moko_search_box_set_visible to be more in tune with the gtk naming scheme |
| 18:45.50 | CIA-16 | openmoko: openmoko-rssreader: catch up with above change |
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| 18:51.36 | Mandarino | Hi Ppl |
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| 20:01.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[User_talk:Speedevil]] [[User_talk:Ast]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Music_Player]] [[UI_Improvements]] |
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