| 00:00.19 | prav33n | rwhitby: My concern was if the process of building from scratch is not too difficult, I could try that |
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| 00:00.24 | rwhitby | sounds like you are well prepared. go type "make" :-) |
| 00:00.43 | prav33n | rwhitby: Automated script would keep me blind from a lot of learnings |
| 00:01.11 | prav33n | rwhitby: Is building from scratch without MokoMakefile that difficult? |
| 00:01.21 | rwhitby | prav33n: once it's set up, it types "bitbake" in both cases. |
| 00:01.43 | prav33n | rwhitby: Also I don't understand why should I get the entire SVN tree including trunk and branches |
| 00:02.05 | prav33n | svn co http://svn.openmoko.org/ openmoko |
| 00:02.22 | rwhitby | prav33n: cause that's what the official build instructions said. and you get to peek in the developers branches to get sneak previews of the next device :-) |
| 00:02.27 | prav33n | This is going to fetch the entire SVN repository tree to my box |
| 00:02.43 | prav33n | rwhitby: Oh, OK |
| 00:02.57 | prav33n | rwhitby: But initially can I go ahead with just the trunk? |
| 00:03.11 | rwhitby | yes, I think that's a mistake on OM's part too in the build instructions. but mokomakefile is designed to *exactly* replicate the official build instructions, so it does that too. |
| 00:03.36 | rwhitby | the difference between just trunk and the whole lot is very small at the moment. |
| 00:03.42 | prav33n | rwhitby: Hmm... |
| 00:04.15 | prav33n | rwhitby: I am still wondering if I should build by hand or use MokoMakefile |
| 00:04.18 | rwhitby | just consider that over 2000 people are building with mokomakefile - do you want to set up your environment differently from the official instructions just for the sake of a few bytes? |
| 00:04.40 | rwhitby | prav33n: seriously, you sound experienced enough that it won't matter either way. |
| 00:04.41 | prav33n | rwhitby: Definitely not |
| 00:05.18 | rwhitby | I would suggest running mokomakefile (then you get any build patches automatically) and using the time you save to read the OpenEmbedded and BitBake manuals. |
| 00:05.19 | prav33n | rwhitby: My previous response was your last but previous response |
| 00:05.29 | prav33n | rwhitby: Sure |
| 00:05.48 | rwhitby | you can still go into the mokomakefile build and run things by hand after that. |
| 00:05.56 | prav33n | rwhitby: I assume that MotoMakefile is constantly upgraded to match the new instructions |
| 00:05.59 | rwhitby | (since it replicates the official build procedure) |
| 00:06.02 | rwhitby | prav33n: yes |
| 00:06.11 | prav33n | rwhitby: That was my main concern |
| 00:06.20 | prav33n | rwhitby: Now I will go for MotoMakefile |
| 00:06.21 | rwhitby | and to track the official OE frozen version |
| 00:06.28 | prav33n | rwhitby: Great! |
| 00:06.58 | prav33n | rwhitby: Thank you so much for your support |
| 00:07.13 | rwhitby | prav33n: I maintain 3 OE-based distribution (so I know exactly how to do everything by hand), but I use mokomakefile to do everything. it saves typing :-) |
| 00:07.33 | prav33n | rwhitby: I am taking my first step towards freeing my phone |
| 00:07.47 | dho | prav33n: you don't happen to be at tez networks? |
| 00:08.01 | rwhitby | I also have a higher level Makefile which I run each day which makes sure that all my builds still work. |
| 00:08.20 | prav33n | dho: Nope. I am at Sun Microsystems |
| 00:08.25 | rwhitby | (including OpenMoko, OpenWRT, and nslu2-linux builds) |
| 00:08.37 | prav33n | rwhitby: That is awesome |
| 00:08.50 | dho | Ah ok. |
| 00:09.13 | rwhitby | the mokomakefile is based on 2 years experience of using OE in my nslu2-linux project. |
| 00:09.14 | dho | Different Praveen Kumar :) |
| 00:09.31 | prav33n | dho: Well, there are a lots here in India |
| 00:09.41 | prav33n | dho: It is as common as John Smith ;-) |
| 00:09.48 | rwhitby | (and deploying a similar Master Makefile in nslu2-linux over a year ago to make building easy for people there) |
| 00:09.51 | dho | aha :) |
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| 00:10.47 | kmeyer | what's OpenWRT/nslu2-linux? |
| 00:11.05 | prav33n | kmeyer: OpenWRT is an open wireless router platform |
| 00:11.11 | kmeyer | oh really? |
| 00:11.15 | prav33n | rwhitby: Please correct me if I am wrong |
| 00:11.18 | kmeyer | mm |
| 00:11.32 | rwhitby | openwrt.org and nslu2-linux.org |
| 00:11.43 | rwhitby | targetted to wireless and NAS devices respectively. |
| 00:12.05 | prav33n | rwhitby: I run OpenWRT on my Linksys WRT54GL |
| 00:12.19 | rwhitby | nslu2-linux uses OE, just like OpenMoko, but from 2 years earlier. |
| 00:13.47 | Vegar | oh |
| 00:13.52 | Vegar | new image on the buildhost |
| 00:13.59 | Vegar | is it weekly builds? |
| 00:14.56 | rwhitby | I think it's manual, not automatic periodic. |
| 00:15.11 | Vegar | ah |
| 00:15.35 | Vegar | just looked at the dates |
| 00:15.40 | kmeyer | mm |
| 00:15.50 | kmeyer | my linksys WAP probably wouldn't run that, eh |
| 00:16.21 | Vegar | ah |
| 00:16.24 | Vegar | looking good |
| 00:16.37 | prav33n | When I was searching for some native Linux applications for my new Motorola ROKR E6 (EZX platform), I came across OpenMoko |
| 00:16.54 | prav33n | kmeyer: The model number should end with L |
| 00:17.04 | prav33n | kmeyer: Like WRT54GL |
| 00:17.07 | kmeyer | prav33n: nope, L |
| 00:17.09 | kmeyer | er, G |
| 00:17.10 | kmeyer | :P |
| 00:17.12 | kmeyer | WAP54G |
| 00:17.37 | prav33n | kmeyer: I bought my router from FON for 25 USD |
| 00:18.45 | prav33n | I found that OpenMoko uses all of my favorites like GTK+, ipkg (based on dpkg), etc |
| 00:18.52 | prav33n | The community is great |
| 00:19.11 | prav33n | One of the most organized Wiki pages I have seen |
| 00:19.30 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] |
| 00:19.30 | prav33n | I couldn't resist trying it out |
| 00:20.09 | rwhitby | kmeyer: WAP54G is a work-in-progress in OpenWRT (http://wiki.openwrt.org/WAP54GHowto) |
| 00:20.18 | prav33n | I would probably go for an OpenMoko phone instead of an iPhone |
| 00:21.01 | prav33n | rwhitby: I just initiated the make setup |
| 00:21.12 | prav33n | rwhitby: I have an ADSL+ 2Mbps connection |
| 00:21.21 | prav33n | rwhitby: Just wondering about the ETA |
| 00:21.29 | rwhitby | prav33n: did you add the rm_work tip? or do you alternatively have 9GB free. |
| 00:21.52 | prav33n | rwhitby: Oops! |
| 00:21.56 | prav33n | rwhitby: I forgot to do that |
| 00:23.00 | prav33n | rwhitby: I did free up 12 GB for this |
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| 00:23.01 | prav33n | rwhitby: Any disadvantages in rm_work? |
| 00:23.01 | rwhitby | prav33n: you can do it after make setup, before you start the build. |
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| 00:23.02 | prav33n | rwhitby: Great! |
| 00:23.02 | rwhitby | prav33n: only disadvantage is if you want to see the built source directory. |
| 00:23.02 | Vegar | what does rm_work actually remove? |
| 00:23.07 | rwhitby | (but then you can comment out rm_work and rebuild that specific package) |
| 00:23.22 | rwhitby | Vegar: it remove the build dir for each package after it is built. |
| 00:23.23 | prav33n | rwhitby: I would rather not go for that hack |
| 00:23.28 | prav33n | rwhitby: I do have enough space |
| 00:23.30 | Vegar | the .o files? |
| 00:23.46 | rwhitby | prav33n: it's not a hack. I use it on all my builds. |
| 00:24.02 | prav33n | rwhitby: Hmm.. Do you recommend it? |
| 00:24.25 | rwhitby | ask yourself "do I really need to keep all the gcc source code and object files around after it has been built and installed into the staging area for the rest of the build to use?" |
| 00:25.47 | rwhitby | since a package rebuild due to a version bump rebuilds the whole thing in a new directory anyway, then there is no reason to keep the build dir unless you are debugging or developing on a specific package |
| 00:25.59 | prav33n | rwhitby: Wondering why mtn is pretty aggressive on the CPU |
| 00:26.33 | prav33n | rwhitby: Sounds very logical |
| 00:26.42 | prav33n | rwhitby: I will go for it :-) |
| 00:27.32 | rwhitby | prav33n: crypto verification of change history, |
| 00:27.44 | prav33n | rwhitby: Oh, OK |
| 00:28.02 | MacNorth | heh, sylly crypto |
| 00:28.20 | prav33n | rwhitby: I never used mtn. I have used cvs, svn, git and clearcase |
| 00:28.36 | prav33n | rwhitby: Lately bazaar |
| 00:29.33 | prav33n | rwhitby: One more question |
| 00:29.48 | prav33n | rwhitby: I don't have the OpenMoko hardware |
| 00:30.05 | prav33n | rwhitby: Could I do significant development relying on qemu? |
| 00:30.25 | rwhitby | yes |
| 00:30.31 | prav33n | rwhitby: Great! |
| 00:30.49 | Vegar | I find qemu rather slow. Is the device similarly slow? |
| 00:30.59 | rwhitby | if it's just app development (no kernel or drivers) you can just build for x86 and test there. |
| 00:31.07 | rwhitby | Vegar: yes |
| 00:31.33 | Vegar | but it's horribly slow |
| 00:31.51 | prav33n | Vegar: What is your host configuration? |
| 00:31.58 | prav33n | Vegar: How much RAM do you have? |
| 00:32.02 | Moo^^ | Vegar: CPU emulation penalty is usually horrible |
| 00:32.12 | Vegar | 512 MB RAM |
| 00:32.28 | Vegar | using the defaults from qemu-neo1973 |
| 00:32.54 | prav33n | Vegar: There might be a lot of swapping happening in your system |
| 00:33.02 | prav33n | Vegar: I am not very sure about this |
| 00:33.45 | Vegar | no changes in swap usage while it's running |
| 00:34.09 | Moo^^ | Vegar: your CPU? |
| 00:34.19 | Vegar | Athlon XP 3000+ |
| 00:35.04 | Vegar | would kqemu make it any faster? |
| 00:35.32 | prav33n | Vegar: kqemu is just a KDE frontend |
| 00:35.42 | Vegar | kqemu is a kernel module |
| 00:35.49 | Moo^^ | Vegar: no |
| 00:36.03 | Moo^^ | Vegar: kqemu needs matching CPU |
| 00:36.10 | Moo^^ | it runs code directly on host CPU |
| 00:36.14 | prav33n | Vegar: Sorry |
| 00:36.17 | Vegar | "kqemu-source - Source for the QEMU Accelerator module" |
| 00:36.27 | Vegar | ok, like I suspected |
| 00:36.27 | prav33n | Vegar: But is speeds up only if you emulate a PC on a PC |
| 00:38.29 | Vegar | I see |
| 00:39.03 | prav33n | rwhitby: mtn certificate verification is taking toll on my laptop |
| 00:39.22 | rwhitby | yep |
| 00:39.28 | prav33n | rwhitby: Just 675/4150 revisions in the last 20 minutes |
| 00:39.42 | prav33n | rwhitby: Is it usual? |
| 00:40.13 | rwhitby | which version of the OE.mtn.bz file did it download |
| 00:40.32 | prav33n | rwhitby: http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE-this-is-for-mtn-0.31.mtn.bz2 |
| 00:40.32 | rwhitby | if it's old (i.e. < .33) you've got a lot of revisions to catch up |
| 00:40.58 | rwhitby | it will take a while for the first time then. subsequent syncs will be normal. |
| 00:41.07 | prav33n | rwhitby: OK |
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| 00:46.58 | rwhitby | prav33n: the whole build will take several hours after setup. |
| 00:49.08 | prav33n | rwhitby: OK |
| 00:49.24 | prav33n | rwhitby: Any idea on the size of data it will download? |
| 00:50.07 | rwhitby | lots |
| 00:50.42 | prav33n | rwhitby: Like 2GB? |
| 00:50.57 | rwhitby | dunno, I share my sources dir with other distro build |
| 00:51.14 | prav33n | rwhitby: Oh, OK |
| 01:08.08 | kmeyer | would anyone here by chance be Paul Wouters? |
| 01:19.24 | SuN | I do a pretty good imitation. |
| 01:20.11 | kmeyer | if you are, would you be interested in an i386 rpm? |
| 01:20.18 | kmeyer | (in addition to your x86_64) |
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| 01:38.00 | SuN | (I'm not him) |
| 01:38.15 | kmeyer | ah, ok |
| 01:38.27 | kmeyer | Paul Wouters and .nl sounded like they might go together :P |
| 01:38.44 | SuN | It does, indeed. |
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| 02:12.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Wifi_power_reduction]] |
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| 02:36.14 | poffy | Good amount of people in here |
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| 02:49.21 | poffy | Any of the OpenMoko devs currently active, in here? |
| 02:49.22 | aloril | poffy: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 02:49.46 | kmeyer | heh |
| 02:54.16 | rwhitby | poffy: try again in .eu daytime |
| 02:54.27 | poffy | Alright |
| 02:54.36 | rwhitby | or just ask your question and someone else may well know. |
| 02:57.02 | poffy | Well, I'm trying to find a dev to see if my past embedded system contributions are suitable. |
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| 02:58.55 | sudo | http://www.codigolibre.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1 |
| 02:58.56 | aloril | sudo: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 03:03.38 | rwhitby | poffy: got a url to your past contributions? |
| 03:04.00 | poffy | I have to get them together |
| 03:04.20 | poffy | I think the main part of my question has to do with the fact that these aren't specific Linux contributions |
| 03:04.28 | poffy | but these are embedded device contributions |
| 03:24.45 | rwhitby | poffy: my work at nslu2-linux.org got me a P0 device ... |
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| 04:08.27 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 2 days 07:51:32 (16.327 +-14.0 days) (866,161) |
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| 04:19.23 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 2 days 07:40:36 (16.320 +-14.0 days) (867,162) |
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| 04:55.04 | smithbone | When I'm compiling from source do I have to set the MACHINE to my exact type of unit or does it build an image for all the different types. |
| 04:55.06 | smithbone | ? |
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| 05:01.36 | aevin | smithbone: MACHINE should be either "x86", "fic-gta01" or "qemuarm", but check that you got the corresponding machine configuration file in $MOKODIR/oe/conf/machine |
| 05:05.52 | smithbone | aevin: Thanks.. I was just wondering if I needed a bv3 on the end. |
| 05:06.17 | smithbone | ugh.. bummer. Compile failed.. |
| 05:06.36 | smithbone | ERROR: function do_compile failed |
| 05:06.58 | smithbone | Its whining about an unterminated quote string.. |
| 05:07.44 | smithbone | in perl x2p |
| 05:10.59 | rwhitby | smithbone: what host OS? |
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| 05:11.15 | smithbone | linux kubuntu fiesty |
| 05:11.39 | smithbone | rwhitby: I'm using your latest mokomakefile. |
| 05:11.46 | rwhitby | /bin/sh symlinked to dash or bash? |
| 05:12.13 | smithbone | dash.. |
| 05:12.23 | rwhitby | that's gonna hurt you then. |
| 05:12.35 | smithbone | ah.. I seem to remember reading that was a problem. |
| 05:12.48 | smithbone | I fogot to check. |
| 05:12.59 | rwhitby | OE should really check for it and complain, it's so common. |
| 05:13.37 | smithbone | Ok.. fixed.. Here we go again.. |
| 05:14.39 | smithbone | rwhitby: 'NOTE: preferred version 2.4 of glibc not available' |
| 05:14.43 | smithbone | Is that a big issue? |
| 05:14.57 | rwhitby | no |
| 05:15.11 | rwhitby | dunno why it says that, but it's harmless. |
| 05:15.31 | smithbone | error |
| 05:15.41 | smithbone | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.41 | smithbone | | |
| 05:15.57 | smithbone | Do I need to clean out the previous failed build. |
| 05:16.00 | smithbone | ?\ |
| 05:16.01 | rwhitby | make clean-package-<foo> |
| 05:16.26 | smithbone | in this case perl-5.8.7? |
| 05:16.33 | rwhitby | just perl I think |
| 05:17.14 | smithbone | Ok.. That seems to have taken.. |
| 05:18.00 | smithbone | rwhitby: Nope. same error. |
| 05:25.06 | rwhitby | weird. 32-bit or 64-bit host OS? |
| 05:25.17 | smithbone | 32. |
| 05:25.37 | rwhitby | try cleaning perl-native too |
| 05:26.31 | smithbone | Ok. If this fails I will. I blew away the work dir and the stamps.. |
| 05:27.14 | rwhitby | hmm - make clean-package-perl should have done exactly that. |
| 05:28.36 | smithbone | I don't think it removes the unpack stamps. |
| 05:29.43 | smithbone | heh.. looks like I'm getting a rebuild of native out of this as well. |
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| 05:32.58 | smithbone | rwhitby: Ok that seems to have fixed it. I'm on to expat now.. |
| 05:33.48 | rwhitby | smithbone: so cleaning perl-native as well fixed it? |
| 05:35.20 | smithbone | rwhitby: Dunno. rm -rf the perl dirctory and rm perl* in the stamps file fixed it. |
| 05:35.47 | smithbone | But that took out perl-native in the process. |
| 05:36.14 | rwhitby | right - perl-native would have been rebuilt, and I expect that you had a bad perl-native due to dash before. |
| 05:36.31 | smithbone | makes sense.. |
| 05:37.18 | rwhitby | smithbone: can you add the symptom, diagnosis and fix to the mokomakefile wiki page please? |
| 05:37.40 | smithbone | sure. |
| 05:37.47 | rwhitby | thx |
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| 06:27.13 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 2 days 05:32:47 (16.231 +-14.0 days) (868,162) |
| 06:32.11 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1760 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (mmc-fixes.patch series uboot-s3c2410-mmc.patch): merge mmc-fixes.patch into s3c2410-mmc.patch |
| 06:32.58 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1761 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-20061030-qt2410.patch: CONFIG_SUPPORT_VFAT doesn't need '1' |
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| 06:35.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1762 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-20061030-neo1973.patch: |
| 06:35.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * make sure SD card is powered off in GTA01Bv4 and higher |
| 06:35.10 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * make sure LCM backlight is off when power button is first pressed |
| 06:35.10 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * VFAT support define doesn't need to be set to '1' but just present |
| 07:01.51 | MacNorth | frikkin' dash! |
| 07:02.00 | MacNorth | breaking all sorts of scripts with that new link. |
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| 07:34.09 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:48.53 | xkr47 | moornging |
| 07:48.58 | xkr47 | gong |
| 07:55.55 | PBeck | hi |
| 07:58.31 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1763 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/series: * move interrupt patches before neo1973 core |
| 08:00.05 | PBeck | counter |
| 08:00.05 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 2 days 03:59:54 (16.167 +-14.0 days) (869,162) |
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| 08:28.20 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1764 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-20061030-neo1973.patch: |
| 08:28.20 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * GTA01Bv4: switch on SD card voltage if sd card is detected at boot time |
| 08:28.20 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (we don't detect sd card insertion/removal at runtime) |
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| 08:43.39 | goxboxlive | I am using MokoMakefile trying to build openmoko-devele-image, but i am trying to build for HTC Universal. I have added a cuople of bb files so it will build the kernel version i oreffer, but it adds a cvs{srcdate} wich is 20060814. How do i get rid if it. I know that i havent set it up, seems like it is predefined . |
| 08:43.59 | goxboxlive | s/oreffer/preffer/ |
| 08:44.54 | goxboxlive | I just want it to build a linux kernel wich is tagged. |
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| 09:11.16 | rwhitby | goxboxlive: set preferred kernel version in your local.conf |
| 09:11.52 | goxboxlive | rwhitby: Ok, so it isent enough to just do that in the openmoko.conf file. |
| 09:12.14 | rwhitby | goxboxlive: openmoko distro conf has srcdate sets |
| 09:12.31 | rwhitby | and there is also a preferred version file in distro/include/ |
| 09:14.32 | goxboxlive | yes i know, but i just couldnt fine the line wich adds the src{date} to the linux-kernel version. I saw there where a lot of 20060814 but non for linux-kernel. |
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| 09:46.05 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1765 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (11 files in 5 dirs): * add (still incomplete) SMS and phonebook support from Sean Chiang |
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| 09:48.10 | Mandarino | Hi |
| 09:51.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Wish_List]] |
| 09:55.47 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1766 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/atcmd.c: parse numeric responses for RING, NO CARRIER and BUSY (Philip Zabel) |
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| 11:01.44 | yacc | Just wondering, what is the status of the Neo, any chance to buy one? |
| 11:01.57 | buz | see topic |
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| 11:26.46 | yacc | buz: guess no specifics on number of weeks :( |
| 11:27.50 | yacc | buz: my Nokia is getting problematic. I can mostly live with the fact that it cannot connect to 1800MHz-only networks. But since yesterday the SD card slot started acting funny, so I need consider changing phones :( |
| 11:29.10 | plaes | yacc: I'be been without the phone for >3 months now.. ;) |
| 11:29.37 | yacc | plaes: :-P |
| 11:30.08 | yacc | plaes: my phone is my ebook reader, and I'm a book worm. My subnotebook is slightly to big for a sensible ebook reader, ... |
| 11:30.29 | yacc | plaes: So loosing the 1800MHz band I took without much complaint. |
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| 11:46.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[PIM_Storage]] |
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| 13:08.38 | empty_mind | is Sean program manager at Fic on this channel ? |
| 13:09.03 | buz | no |
| 13:09.58 | empty_mind | hmm |
| 13:10.25 | empty_mind | so i think only way to get in touch with him is via email |
| 13:10.48 | SpeedEvil | I don't think he's ever been on here. |
| 13:11.30 | empty_mind | ok |
| 13:11.40 | empty_mind | any openmoko ui designers here ? |
| 13:12.37 | buz | that would probably depend on your definition of designer |
| 13:14.04 | empty_mind | buz, hmm guys working on the abstact UI i.e guys working on look and feel and placement of widgets |
| 13:14.15 | buz | not sure |
| 13:14.19 | buz | i think fic people do that |
| 13:14.51 | empty_mind | buz, i know that |
| 13:15.38 | empty_mind | buz just been doing a study of UI and found some minor problems in the placement of widgets |
| 13:16.10 | buz | write to the mailing list |
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| 13:41.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Contacts]] [[Wish_List]] [[OpenMokoFramework]] |
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| 15:19.14 | Xiangyu | hey |
| 15:19.29 | Xiangyu | who here actually owns an openmoko? if so how is it? |
| 15:19.29 | aloril | Xiangyu: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 15:22.07 | zipola | They're all developers for now. You won't get user reviews yet :) |
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| 15:27.38 | Sufflope | counter? |
| 15:27.38 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; 2 weeks, a day 20:32:21 (15.856 +-14.0 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-04-30); 5 months (153.856 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (870,163) |
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| 15:34.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Look_%26_Feel]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] |
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| 15:43.51 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1767 10/trunk/oe/packages/ (gtkterm/ gtkterm/gtkterm2_0.2.3.bb tasks/task-openmoko.bb): oe: add gtkterm2, the "official" openmoko terminal application :) |
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| 16:11.01 | prav33n | Hello |
| 16:11.23 | prav33n | I am a newbie trying to build OpenMoko using MokoMakefile |
| 16:12.26 | prav33n | The package fit-gta01-linux failed to build because of a corrupted source archive |
| 16:12.26 | prav33n | I have deleted that archive |
| 16:12.38 | prav33n | The build is failing complaining that the archive file is missing |
| 16:13.01 | prav33n | Can someone tell me how to find out the location of the archive from the config file and download it manually? |
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| 16:18.55 | prav33n | I found how to fix the problem. I did a make clean-package-gta01-kernel-2.6 and then attempted build again |
| 16:22.23 | aevin | great. |
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| 16:42.13 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1768 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/ (buttonactions.c mokodesktop.h): openmoko-panel-mainmenu: don't use apm -s while it's broken, use echo /sys/power/state in the meantime |
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| 17:01.50 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1769 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/src/openmoko-panel-gsm.c: openmoko-panel-gsm: add popup menu for mouse tap |
| 17:02.22 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1770 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (TODO libmokogsmd/moko-gsmd-connection.c): libmokogsmd: don't try to register event handlers when connection to gsmd fails |
| 17:03.18 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1771 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/examples/openmoko-gsmd-demo/src/demo-main.c: openmoko-gsmd-demo: relayout buttons |
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| 17:17.34 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1772 10/trunk/oe/packages/pango/ (5 files in 2 dirs): oe: add pango 1.16.2 |
| 17:17.55 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1773 10/trunk/oe/conf/distro/include/ (openmoko.inc sane-srcdates.inc): oe/conf: bump matchbox-panel-2 SRCDATE to get the improved error reporting |
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| 17:21.17 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1774 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/libmokogsmd/Makefile.am: libmokogsmd: include new marshalling in library |
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| 17:28.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] |
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| 17:30.59 | prav33n | counter |
| 17:30.59 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, a day 18:29:00 (15.770 +-14.0 days) (871,163) |
| 17:31.48 | MetaBookfoziS | waiting is a pain. |
| 17:34.26 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1775 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/TODO: openmoko-libs: refine TODO |
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| 17:55.49 | peepsalot | it seems the counter is configured to run backwards |
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| 17:57.39 | Mandarino | Hi |
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| 18:07.41 | matthew_ | can anyone pass on a link that tells you how to get the openmoko phone to work with your provider? |
| 18:07.41 | aloril | matthew_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 18:08.00 | Mandarino | xD |
| 18:08.06 | Mandarino | Great boot |
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| 18:24.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1776 10/trunk/oe/ (6 files in 4 dirs): oe: add openmoko-terminal (just glue .desktop + .png for gtkterm2) |
| 18:51.44 | smithbone | Is HEAD supposed to compile? |
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| 19:24.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:More/Custom_Input_Method_Widgets]] [[Terminal]] [[ChangeLog]] [[Main_Page]] |
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| 19:43.46 | Mandarino | counter |
| 19:43.46 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, a day 16:16:13 (15.678 +-14.0 days) (872,163) |
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| 20:06.48 | prav33n | rwhitby: ping |
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| 20:35.06 | prav33n | Is there anyway to see the how much is the progress of my OpenMoko build process? |
| 20:35.31 | prav33n | I am running a build from scratch and it is almost 10 hours elapsed since I start the build |
| 20:35.48 | prav33n | I am building libmad as I type now |
| 20:38.19 | zecke | prav33n: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showlog.pl?machine_id=190&logfile=20070407214734.log search for libmad and guess how much is left |
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| 20:39.28 | prav33n | zecke: Thank you |
| 20:39.36 | prav33n | zecke: I am almost close to the finish |
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| 21:29.51 | rwhitby | prav33n: gu |
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| 21:31.00 | prav33n | rwhitby: I finished the build successfully. MokoMakefile rocks! |
| 21:31.06 | prav33n | rwhitby: Thank you |
| 21:31.22 | prav33n | rwhitby: Yesterday, I didn't realize the you were the author |
| 21:31.36 | prav33n | rwhitby: :-) |
| 21:31.37 | rwhitby | np |
| 21:31.51 | prav33n | rwhitby: Just an observation |
| 21:32.04 | rwhitby | sure |
| 21:32.05 | prav33n | rwhitby: Some downloads from ftp.debian.org were painful |
| 21:32.23 | prav33n | rwhitby: Can we update the scripts to use mirrors.kernel.org? |
| 21:32.44 | prav33n | rwhitby: I think mirrors.kernel.org is one of the best mirror for ftp.debian.org |
| 21:33.27 | prav33n | rwhitby: Also I tried make qemu |
| 21:33.28 | rwhitby | prav33n: didn't the premirror stuff work (where it gets it from downloads.openmoko.org first)? |
| 21:33.47 | prav33n | rwhitby: It didn't work for certain files |
| 21:33.53 | rwhitby | prav33n: any, you're talking about upstream OE and OM stuff, not MokoMakefile stuff :-) |
| 21:34.06 | prav33n | rwhitby: Yeah, I realize that |
| 21:34.22 | prav33n | rwhitby: Just a suggestion for the upstream maintainers |
| 21:34.24 | rwhitby | (I don't mind the loose terminology, but some other people react to it) |
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| 21:34.44 | prav33n | rwhitby: OK |
| 21:34.50 | prav33n | rwhitby: I tried make qemu |
| 21:34.51 | rwhitby | how did the qemu go? |
| 21:35.05 | prav33n | rwhitby: It opens up the qemu window |
| 21:35.11 | prav33n | rwhitby: But it is not responding |
| 21:35.29 | prav33n | rwhitby: I see the OpenMoto splash |
| 21:35.38 | prav33n | rwhitby: Then I get the uBoot menu |
| 21:35.49 | rwhitby | then hit space to boot |
| 21:35.52 | prav33n | rwhitby: After than I am not able to do anything |
| 21:36.04 | prav33n | rwhitby: When I press enter, it is not responding |
| 21:36.10 | rwhitby | try space |
| 21:36.18 | prav33n | rwhitby: Oh, OK |
| 21:36.36 | rwhitby | then fix whatever wiki page said to use enter :-) |
| 21:36.50 | prav33n | rwhitby: Also after doing make qemu once, is it possible to invoke it later directly |
| 21:37.05 | rwhitby | yes - make run-qemu :-) |
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| 21:37.25 | rwhitby | also make flash-qemu-official and make flash-qemu-local |
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| 21:37.43 | rwhitby | again, you can look at what commands those targets run if you want to run it by hand. |
| 21:38.37 | prav33n | rwhitby: Great! |
| 21:40.12 | prav33n | rwhitby: qemu is just booting my shiny OM platform |
| 21:40.35 | ebel | The qemu emulator is really unstable for me. It segfaults about 80% of the time. |
| 21:42.14 | Stephmw | any particular bits that seem to make it unhappy? |
| 21:43.19 | ebel | It's when it's booting linux. |
| 21:43.37 | ebel | it can depend. |
| 21:43.43 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1777 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-apps/ (openmoko-terminal/gtkterm2rc openmoko-terminal_svn.bb): oe/openmoko-terminal: add proper resource file on install, fix DESCRIPTION and DEPENDS |
| 21:44.33 | rwhitby | I've never had qemu segfault at all |
| 21:45.08 | prav33n | I somewhere heard that qemy seg faults on bad RAM |
| 21:45.26 | ebel | I *am* using powerpc linux... |
| 21:45.27 | prav33n | But bad RAMs cause almost any program to segfault |
| 21:45.37 | prav33n | ebel: Oh, OK |
| 21:45.45 | ebel | (hence I haven't been able to get xoo working.) |
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| 21:45.54 | prav33n | ebel: I have never used a PowerPC host. Sorry! |
| 21:46.12 | prav33n | Oops! |
| 21:46.21 | prav33n | I experimented with the calendar app in qemu |
| 21:46.31 | ebel | I haven't had other programmes crash, i might try one of those memtest programmes. |
| 21:46.32 | prav33n | I tried to resize the details window |
| 21:46.51 | prav33n | Now I am not able to perform any operations |
| 21:47.03 | prav33n | I am getting the resize cursor everwhere I click |
| 21:47.24 | prav33n | Is there a way to gracefully shutdown the OS running on qemu? |
| 21:47.55 | rwhitby | maybe hold down space for 5 seconds |
| 21:47.57 | kmeyer | get it to end itself |
| 21:48.12 | rwhitby | (same as pushing power button for 5 seconds on real device) |
| 21:48.54 | prav33n | rwhitby: Space doesn't work |
| 21:50.58 | rwhitby | just kill apex and re-run the flash-qemu-* makefile target to reinit the flash |
| 21:51.03 | rwhitby | s/apex/qemu/ |
| 21:52.50 | prav33n | rwhitby: OK |
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| 22:00.55 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1778 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/devel/qmake/openmoko-include.pro: devel/qmake: include glib-genmarshal as additional compiler |
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| 22:33.40 | prav33n_ | Is there a way to shutdown qemu gracefully? |
| 22:33.53 | prav33n_ | Pressing space for 5 seconds doesn't help |
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