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| 01:06.19 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 4 days 10:53:40 (18.454 +-14.0 days) (840,157) |
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| 01:31.48 | cbaird | now it's ltrace's turn to break the build.. (is a 'make fetch' possible with MokoMakefile?) |
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| 03:05.36 | dotmef | users |
| 03:09.45 | dotmef | anyone seeing compilation problems with openmoko-panel-battery? |
| 03:15.03 | dotmef | rwhitby: I have a make failure with openmoko-panel-battery that I can't see a logged bug for |
| 03:15.42 | dotmef | rwhitby: details at http://pastebin.ca/437591 if you'd like to have a look |
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| 03:30.04 | rwhitby | dotmef: I'm getting the same failure on Debian Etch and CentOS 4.4 - looks like a real coding error (or someone forgot to check in a file). |
| 03:30.57 | rwhitby | cbaird: cd build ; source ../setup-env ; bitbake -c fetch openmoko-devel-image |
| 03:35.59 | dotmef | rwhitby: cool. For the record, I'm using FC6 |
| 03:36.28 | rwhitby | dotmef: I'm bringing up a CentOS 5 box right now ... |
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| 03:41.37 | dotmef | brb |
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| 04:08.06 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 4 days 07:51:54 (18.328 +-14.0 days) (841,157) |
| 04:11.28 | bhima | any updates...? |
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| 05:07.43 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 4 days 06:52:16 (18.286 +-14.0 days) (842,157) |
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| 05:16.25 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Battery Charging |
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| 05:46.51 | peepsalot_ | sure is quiet at night |
| 05:47.12 | paroneayea | :) |
| 05:50.13 | dotmef | zzzzz |
| 05:50.38 | dotmef | wait - I'm at work. |
| 05:51.22 | Rakshasa | And i've been up for just an hour... |
| 05:51.30 | Rakshasa | s/i/I/ |
| 05:54.04 | kmeyer | s/i/OWOuga/ |
| 05:54.51 | kmeyer | my builds are also failing at openmoko-panel-battery, if that's helpful. |
| 05:55.14 | kmeyer | I'm on fc6, 2.6.20-1.2925.fc6 kernel |
| 05:55.56 | dotmef | kmeyer: me too. although I'm at 2.6.20-1.2933 |
| 05:56.18 | kmeyer | I have that one, just havn't rebooted recently. |
| 05:56.42 | kmeyer | 18 days of uptime isn't so mcuh |
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| 06:01.02 | dotmef | heh |
| 06:01.45 | dotmef | kmeyer: I'm not much of a coder, but I'll see if I can figure out which directory to include so that apm.h is found |
| 06:02.30 | kmeyer | I think it has something to do with the download failing earlier. |
| 06:07.28 | dotmef | dunno - I must've missed that comment. |
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| 06:29.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] |
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| 07:47.18 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:50.49 | xkr47 | friday 13th! |
| 07:51.09 | xkr47 | if we're unlucky, a lot of bugs will not get found today |
| 07:51.12 | rwhitby | xkr47: nothing bad happened - it's 6pm here on the 13th already. |
| 07:51.36 | rwhitby | what's that saying? "Never worry about the world ending tomorrow, cause it's already tomorrow in Australia" |
| 07:52.15 | xkr47 | :D |
| 07:52.36 | drath_ | huh, the world has already ended in australia? poor rwhitby :( |
| 07:52.55 | xkr47 | australians probably have a counter-saying.. "If the world is about to end, go to america for one more day" |
| 07:53.12 | xkr47 | :) |
| 07:53.19 | rwhitby | drath: you'll know if the world is about to end tomorrow, if my IRC bouncer suddenly exits the channel ... |
| 07:53.23 | cbaird | There's a quip about Queenslanders in there somewhere.. |
| 07:53.48 | rwhitby | cbaird: hey, don't you go dissing Queenslanders ... |
| 07:54.14 | cbaird | heh (although I was one for a few years..) |
| 07:54.14 | WiggleCat | counter |
| 07:54.15 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 4 days 04:05:44 (18.171 +-14.0 days) (843,157) |
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| 08:08.10 | WiggleCat | .. but you're cured now cbaird ? :P |
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| 08:14.13 | cbaird | WiggleCat: there was worst to come-- I was stuck in Armidale for several years afterwards.. :/ |
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| 08:24.57 | dotmef | cbaird: heh. I had friends in Glen Innes for a year a while back |
| 08:27.06 | dotmef | whoah. you *have* been everywhere, man :P |
| 08:27.51 | dotmef | rwhitby: btw, I used apm_bios.h instead of apm.h in the openmoko_panel_battery package |
| 08:28.02 | dotmef | rwhitby: that seemed to fix that first problem |
| 08:28.23 | dotmef | rwhitby: but now there are other problems |
| 08:29.17 | rwhitby | ... just long enough to experience how much better living in Australia really is ;-) |
| 08:30.38 | dotmef | heh. Australia is good. I've tried Ireland (born there), England, Rochester, MN |
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| 08:32.42 | dotmef | bah - they've turned on the vaccuum cleaners at work. I'm off. |
| 08:33.01 | dotmef | syal |
| 08:33.16 | rwhitby | bbiab |
| 08:35.52 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03dodji * r1736 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 08:35.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Better entries removal handling, renamed more moko_j_* into moko_journal_* |
| 08:35.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * *.h,c: changed moko_j_email_info* into moko_journal_email_info* |
| 08:35.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/src/moko-journal.c: |
| 08:35.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_journal_remove_entry_at): only entries that has been |
| 08:35.56 | CIA-16 | openmoko: persisted should be queued for removal from eds. |
| 08:35.58 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_journal_write_to_storage): do not cry too much when |
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| 08:51.04 | cheesy3000 | countdown |
| 08:51.07 | cheesy3000 | count |
| 08:51.13 | Fletch | counter |
| 08:51.14 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 4 days 03:08:46 (18.131 +-14.0 days) (844,157) |
| 08:51.24 | cheesy3000 | ah! fletch read my mind ;) |
| 08:51.29 | Fletch | ;) |
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| 09:29.55 | ewon | christ, I'm on a LUG irc channel, and we've started getting recruiters logging in and spamming the channel with job ads :( |
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| 09:39.51 | kelvinn | Which IRC? :P |
| 09:42.10 | Stephmw | ewon: enforce registration for voice ;-) |
| 09:47.55 | XorA | just write a CV generator which picks the keywords out of the spam, sends them the CV then snows them under in bogus CV's |
| 09:49.16 | ewon | XorA: now that idea I like... :D |
| 09:50.27 | XorA | recruiter scum only work if they dont waste more money scanning CV's than they do finding successfull applicants |
| 09:52.18 | rwhitby | then send them phone numbers to contact the applicants, which all are different VoIP free dial-in numbers which terminate at an asterisk server which further wastes their time when they call it ... |
| 09:53.03 | rwhitby | ... with a circular IVR menu that they get lost in. |
| 09:55.10 | ewon | I intensely dislike recruiters. |
| 09:55.29 | ewon | one sold me a Linux admin job that turned out to be a Linux testing job.. replaced myself with a perl script and left after a month |
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| 10:05.59 | cbaird | 86 hour/week @ $6/hr, to look after half a billion dollars of hardware? Nope. I heard that the guy they did get (an Economics undergrad..) lost two $150M satellites. So much for that promised efficiency of using an EA... heh. |
| 10:07.56 | ruskie | :) |
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| 10:17.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 10:30.29 | billl_ | counter |
| 10:30.30 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 4 days 01:29:30 (18.062 +-14.0 days) (845,158) |
| 10:31.07 | XorA | real_counter :-) |
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| 11:01.46 | hrw | dialer should test does it connect at all.. |
| 11:07.05 | mickeyl | hrw: i'm working on a easy-to-use GObject for gsm connection |
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| 11:07.20 | mickeyl | dialer, today, gsmgprs applet will benefit |
| 11:10.05 | koen | dbus :) |
| 11:10.43 | hrw | argh... |
| 11:11.56 | koen | like I said, dbus :) |
| 11:12.09 | hrw | something simple like picocom/cu but connecting to Neo modem without stty, killing gsmd etc |
| 11:12.16 | mickeyl | once my gobject is done, adding dbus is a piece of cake |
| 11:14.16 | hrw | ah.. and gpe-conf which allow to set iconsize >64 |
| 11:14.30 | hrw | mickeyl: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/7fbc9f624d2fc62f3ef6e1d1a03ff2e4.png |
| 11:15.11 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 11:15.14 | mickeyl | your top panel looks odd |
| 11:15.26 | mickeyl | not using the proper gtkrc |
| 11:15.30 | hrw | mickeyl: Clearlooks instead of OpenMoko-theme |
| 11:15.33 | mickeyl | ah |
| 11:18.03 | robtaylor | mickeyl: are you gonna be going to ELC? |
| 11:19.26 | robtaylor | hmm, one of these days we need to kill gpe-conf.. i guess when ebassi has finished gconfig |
| 11:20.11 | mickeyl | robtaylor: no way, i need to get back to actual coding work. all the meetings and conferences have eaten up too much of my time lately :/ |
| 11:20.35 | Stephmw | mickeyl: butbut, that's what GSoC lackeys are for, no? |
| 11:20.40 | robtaylor | mickeyl: heh, i know how that feels, goo on you :) |
| 11:20.44 | mickeyl | heh |
| 11:21.06 | mickeyl | my next appearance will be LinuxTag 2007 in Berlin, Germany |
| 11:21.10 | mickeyl | where i will talk about OpenMoko |
| 11:21.38 | hrw | +CME ERROR: 10 |
| 11:21.49 | hrw | ~lart neo1973 sim socket |
| 11:21.49 | apt | nukes neo1973 sim socket with a single large nuke |
| 11:23.16 | hrw | CME10 == no sim. |
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| 11:42.35 | hrw | how long does it should take to "libgsmd-tool -m atcmd" to respond? |
| 11:43.42 | koen | a few seconds at most |
| 11:44.00 | hrw | then it does not like me |
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| 11:45.48 | hrw | 1 minute and no reply |
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| 12:14.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Shipping_Notes]] [[Translation]] [[Migration_to_bad_block_tolerant_builds]] [[Gsmd]] |
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| 12:32.15 | empty_mind | how can i launch xterm in openmoko |
| 12:33.26 | SuN | From an xterm, of course! |
| 12:33.28 | SuN | :D |
| 12:33.56 | empty_mind | SuN, hehe |
| 12:35.43 | SuN | SOrry, can't _really_ help you. |
| 12:36.07 | SuN | Can you access xinitrc (if that's even present?) |
| 12:36.35 | SuN | Or whatever file starts the wm... if you simply add an xterm there, it'll run at startup. |
| 12:36.38 | empty_mind | strangely there used to be an icon for launching xterm, but is missing from past few months |
| 12:37.42 | empty_mind | SuN, problem is getting a shell prompt. qemuarm build has shell on ctrl+alt+2 but qemu-neo1973 build has no serial console |
| 12:40.27 | XorA | plug in used, ssh |
| 12:40.27 | XorA | s/used/usb/ |
| 12:40.29 | XorA | oh, under qemu, bugger knows |
| 12:40.30 | hrw | empty_mind: ssh root@192.168.7.2 |
| 12:40.30 | hrw | but I do not know does OE handle it |
| 12:40.49 | XorA | ~kill apt |
| 12:41.02 | apt | ACTION shoots a super-inverse fluxphoton gun at apt |
| 12:41.13 | empty_mind | hrw, on real phone or qemu-neo1973 ? |
| 12:41.46 | koen | the angstrom images have an icon for rxvt :) |
| 12:42.02 | hrw | qemuarm |
| 12:44.01 | empty_mind | hrw, for build with machine set to "qemuarm" and running under qemu. I can get shell with ctrl+alt+2 |
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| 12:44.24 | empty_mind | koen, i am compiling angstrom to run under qemu-neo1973 |
| 12:44.47 | empty_mind | koen, what is the UI toolkit for angstrom |
| 12:45.05 | koen | empty_mind: the same as for debian |
| 12:45.11 | koen | none, since it's a distribution |
| 12:45.25 | koen | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/fic-gta01/ has precompiled images |
| 12:46.03 | empty_mind | koen, so how do i run UI on angstrom ? do i need to install matchbox ? |
| 12:46.13 | koen | ? |
| 12:47.00 | empty_mind | koen, like OM has a frontend for running apps. Apps being gtk+ based |
| 12:47.03 | koen | just boot the image you want (console, x11 or openmoko) and it will boot into the respective GUI (shell, matchbox, openmoko) |
| 12:47.24 | koen | empty_mind: I suspect you don't really now what you are talking about |
| 12:47.52 | koen | I can run efl, tk and qt apps in openmoko if I want |
| 12:48.00 | empty_mind | koen, maybe, i am completely blank about angstrom |
| 12:48.37 | koen | I wasn't speaking about angstrom |
| 12:48.38 | empty_mind | koen, yup you can but with 200Mhz processor, might have to wait a bit longer |
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| 14:04.57 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 21:55:02 (17.913 +-14.0 days) (846,159) |
| 14:05.35 | zecke | Dodji: you are writing libmokojournal? |
| 14:06.26 | Dodji | zecke, yeah |
| 14:06.51 | zecke | Dodji: before I start nitpicking, how complete is the design? (run!) |
| 14:07.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch]] |
| 14:07.32 | Dodji | zecke, are you on framework-devel ? |
| 14:07.39 | Dodji | zecke, I mean the mailing list |
| 14:07.48 | zecke | Dodji: no, I probably should be :) |
| 14:08.44 | Dodji | zecke, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/framework-devel/2007-April/000032.html |
| 14:09.15 | Dodji | zecke, so the short answer is we are only at the beginning :-) |
| 14:09.24 | zecke | I just read it :) |
| 14:09.29 | Dodji | zecke, trying to flesh out the foundations |
| 14:10.04 | zecke | Dodji: okay one question was answered. It is using eds so multiple apps can easily access concurently |
| 14:10.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03dodji * r1737 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (ChangeLog libmokojournal/src/moko-journal.c): |
| 14:10.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Update the journal when another process removes entries |
| 14:10.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/src/moko-journal.c: |
| 14:10.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_journal_load_from_storage): make sure we get notified when |
| 14:10.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: another process removes an entry. |
| 14:10.11 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (on_entries_removed_cb): added this to handle entry removal by |
| 14:10.13 | CIA-16 | openmoko: another process. |
| 14:10.21 | zecke | Dodji: I'm missing some signals :) |
| 14:10.32 | Dodji | :-) |
| 14:10.41 | zecke | hehe |
| 14:10.50 | PBeck | hi |
| 14:11.02 | zecke | Dodji: now if you update the number of journals changed :) |
| 14:11.16 | Dodji | zecke, sorry ? |
| 14:14.28 | zecke | Dodji: Signals should be added for sure. This way a GUI can be updated whenever something changed |
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| 14:14.58 | Dodji | zecke, yeah that is for a bit later. we have more basic stuff to do before then. |
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| 14:15.44 | Dodji | zecke, like making sure we support the right journal entry types, with the right properties. because if no one can add entries, no one won't ever need to get notified :-) |
| 14:15.49 | _kaiser_ | I'm so excited about being able to buy the phone soon! :) |
| 14:16.01 | zecke | hehe |
| 14:16.14 | Dodji | zecke, you are definitely right |
| 14:16.38 | _kaiser_ | then my gf will hate me... b.c I can ssh from anywhere that my phone can connect to the net, and program! hehe |
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| 14:24.10 | SpeedEvil | The more conventional way is to show up with a prettier girlfriend, but whatever works :) |
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| 14:50.55 | paroneayea | how are you going to ssh in and program with a device that doesn't have a keyboard? |
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| 14:51.34 | zecke | paroneayea: by using a bluetooth keyboard? |
| 14:51.40 | paroneayea | I suppose :) |
| 14:51.49 | paroneayea | I miss my pebble-keyboard on my old zaurus.. |
| 14:52.03 | paroneayea | those were good days... for the ten minutes the battery would hold up |
| 14:53.58 | ewon | paroneayea: never underestimate the speed of two thumbs... |
| 14:54.13 | kmeyer | two thumbs are slwo |
| 14:54.14 | paroneayea | indeed |
| 14:54.22 | paroneayea | I was pretty fast at it |
| 14:54.46 | ewon | hope the touchscreen will be fast enough for two-thumb typing |
| 14:54.59 | SpeedEvil | It's fast enough, that's not the problem. |
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| 14:55.13 | ewon | resolution? |
| 14:55.32 | SpeedEvil | the worse problem is your thumbs resolution. |
| 14:55.58 | paroneayea | pressing a pebble keyboard vs a touchscreen keyboard I imagine is quite different |
| 14:56.01 | SpeedEvil | A 2.8" screen, the thumbprint can be quite large. |
| 14:56.02 | paroneayea | one of them has bump to it |
| 14:56.06 | SpeedEvil | Utterly different. |
| 14:56.55 | SpeedEvil | As anyone can tell you who's used a zx81. |
| 14:57.16 | Clint | that was my first computer |
| 14:57.23 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 14:57.27 | SpeedEvil | Mine too. |
| 14:57.34 | SpeedEvil | Not exactly tactile though. |
| 14:58.47 | ewon | my first one was a spectrum |
| 14:58.47 | paroneayea | is this borrowing at all from GPE? |
| 14:59.37 | SpeedEvil | A spectrum had a really good keyboard in comparison. |
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| 15:01.05 | paroneayea | hm |
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| 16:02.35 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[USB_Product_IDs]] [[Talk:Shipping_Notes]] [[Alarm_daemon]] [[Shipping_Notes]] [[OpenMoko2007]] |
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| 16:18.25 | *** topic/#openmoko is OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Anyone can buy for $350 in a couple of weeks. Mass market in September. |
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| 16:22.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1738 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-vibrator.patch: * fix kernel oops during vibrator use and suspend. (Daniel Willmann) |
| 16:23.17 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1739 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-core.patch: * fix vibrator GPIO pin for Bv2 and Bv3 (Daniel Willmann) |
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| 16:33.15 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1740 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (ChangeLog src/contacts-callbacks-ebook.c): |
| 16:33.15 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/contacts-callbacks-ebook.c: (contacts_changed_cb): |
| 16:33.16 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Make sure cell phone column is updated when a contact is saved. Fixes bug 400. |
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| 16:55.58 | zecke | mickey_bbl: ping? |
| 16:57.25 | zecke | mickey_bbl: http://pastebin.ca/438449 |
| 16:57.52 | koen | Arbeitskopie! Jawohl! |
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| 17:00.02 | zecke | koen: ja! |
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| 17:00.20 | zecke | koen: LC_ALL=nl should be the default for omoko |
| 17:00.48 | zecke | koen: and instead of a 1GB SD card 1kg of gouda should be included |
| 17:01.17 | koen | :D |
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| 17:04.56 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1741 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (ChangeLog src/contacts-callbacks-ui.c): |
| 17:04.57 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/contacts-callbacks-ui.c: (contacts_selection_cb): Don't try to commit a |
| 17:04.57 | CIA-16 | openmoko: NULL contact when selection changes. Fixes bug 423. |
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| 17:54.42 | kiney | counter |
| 17:54.42 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 18:05:17 (17.754 +-14.0 days) (847,159) |
| 17:57.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenEmbedded]] |
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| 18:11.19 | LuitvD | counter |
| 18:11.19 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 17:48:40 (17.742 +-14.0 days) (848,159) |
| 18:11.27 | LuitvD | XD |
| 18:11.38 | LuitvD | so, what's this P1 delay about? |
| 18:11.57 | MacNorth | we need a counter-counter, one that actually goes //down// :) |
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| 18:12.16 | LuitvD | MacNorth: lol, good one :P |
| 18:12.36 | LuitvD | it indeed is quite an odd counter... |
| 18:12.51 | LuitvD | it's a count-up-and-down... instead of count-down |
| 18:13.15 | MacNorth | i guess good counters are bi-directional |
| 18:13.44 | MacNorth | maybe we need to add an imaginary component, so we can go in 2 more directions :-P |
| 18:14.29 | LuitvD | heheheh |
| 18:14.29 | MacNorth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.30 | MacNorth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:19.49 | aloril2 | lower limit is quite likely too low ;-) |
| 18:20.50 | LuitvD | :P |
| 18:20.58 | LuitvD | yeah, me too... |
| 18:21.06 | LuitvD | for pre-orders and stuff... |
| 18:21.29 | LuitvD | wonder wether there will be pre-ordering at all :P |
| 18:22.08 | LuitvD | aloril2: is the 4i hours static? or does it count up/down too? |
| 18:22.11 | LuitvD | counter |
| 18:22.11 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 17:37:48 (17.735 +-14.0 days) (849,159) |
| 18:22.31 | LuitvD | ah, macnorth fooled me XD |
| 18:22.40 | LuitvD | not completely awake :P |
| 18:22.50 | aloril2 | guess: 1 week before? |
| 18:23.25 | LuitvD | my guess: half a week after :P |
| 18:23.37 | LuitvD | post-pre-order |
| 18:25.53 | MacNorth | ;) |
| 18:26.22 | aloril2 | guess: its less than week from "hardware and software looks OK" to it being shipped (everything should be ready beside hardware/software stability) |
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| 18:38.21 | zecke | anyone know how to find out if a GtkTreeIter is valid? |
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| 19:05.32 | Mandarino | Hi! |
| 19:05.33 | Mandarino | counter |
| 19:05.33 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 16:54:26 (17.704 +-14.0 days) (850,159) |
| 19:05.45 | Mandarino | 2 weeks =????? |
| 19:05.55 | Mandarino | The counter goes crazy |
| 19:05.57 | LuitvD | yeah, it counts up-and-down again |
| 19:06.09 | LuitvD | instead of count-down |
| 19:06.17 | Mandarino | count.up :P |
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| 19:35.05 | LuitvD | hmm, I wonder... Sony-Ericsson M610i + openmoko... ? |
| 19:35.06 | LuitvD | :P |
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| 19:45.53 | Mandarino | Nice phone |
| 19:45.57 | Mandarino | looks like a calculator |
| 19:45.58 | Mandarino | xD |
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| 19:57.15 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r1742 10/developers/werner/usb-pullup/ (. README new.fig new.spice old.spice runs si.pl): Proposed change of the 49XX USB pullup circuit (for GTA02). |
| 19:57.24 | greentux | counter |
| 19:57.24 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 16:02:35 (17.668 +-14.0 days) (851,159) |
| 19:57.39 | greentux | random guess I assume.... |
| 19:58.01 | Vegar | not completely random |
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| 20:10.36 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 15:49:23 (17.659 +-14.0 days) (852,159) |
| 20:10.46 | *** part/#openmoko don-o (n=donp@206.163.122.98) |
| 20:11.59 | aloril2 | greentux: see [[Neo1973]] page for basis for guess |
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| 20:14.35 | greentux | aloril2: I watch that site... but its a matter of guessing... to "closed" in my opinion |
| 20:26.58 | gdiebel | greentux: too closed? what do you mean by this? |
| 20:26.58 | aloril | gdiebel: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 21:20.18 | mreimer_ | anybody in here using s3c2410_udc? |
| 21:20.19 | aloril | mreimer_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 21:45.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Getting_Openmoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo]] [[Libgconf-bridge]] [[OpenMokoFramework]] |
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| 21:58.29 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 14:01:30 (17.584 +-14.0 days) (853,159) |
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| 21:59.13 | high-rez | Damned. So much for an april release. |
| 22:01.55 | kmeyer | heh |
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| 22:10.49 | zecke | mickeyl: ping :) |
| 22:11.19 | mickeyl | pöng |
| 22:11.50 | LuitvD | lol :) |
| 22:12.20 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:12.33 | mickeyl | the world needs more Umlaute |
| 22:12.46 | LuitvD | yeäh |
| 22:13.35 | zecke | mickeyl: do you see the pastebin.ca url in this back channel |
| 22:13.36 | zecke | mickeyl: it has a minor change to moko-tool-box |
| 22:13.36 | LuitvD | mickeyl: do you have a german keyboard ? |
| 22:14.02 | zecke | Who is the guy doing the musicplayer? He should make sure last.fm support is implementable |
| 22:14.18 | LuitvD | yeah :) |
| 22:14.32 | LuitvD | is last.fm able to work asynchronous by the way? |
| 22:14.42 | LuitvD | not sure... |
| 22:14.46 | LuitvD | anyone? |
| 22:15.02 | madewokherd | why wouldn't it? |
| 22:15.06 | madewokherd | it's a protocol |
| 22:15.09 | zecke | LuitvD: I don't know, but use the source :) |
| 22:15.12 | mickeyl | zecke: yes, got the pastebin. will review and commit |
| 22:15.21 | mickeyl | LuitvD: yeah, i have a german keyboard äöü ß ;) |
| 22:15.53 | LuitvD | mickeyl: so you have seperate keys for those commonly-used umlaut-characters? :P |
| 22:16.01 | mickeyl | ya |
| 22:16.11 | LuitvD | I have to trap a " to do so :P |
| 22:16.16 | high-rez | ich mocthe eine neo habben playin' :| |
| 22:16.26 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:16.51 | LuitvD | èvërý sìnglë chárà ctèr |
| 22:16.53 | LuitvD | :P |
| 22:17.22 | mickeyl | zecke: patch looks good except one issue |
| 22:17.31 | LuitvD | I can umlaut these characters :) ëÿüïöä |
| 22:17.40 | mickeyl | zecke: why gboolean search_is_visible? looks like double bookkeeping to me. can't we use GTK_WIDGET_VISIBLE() instead? |
| 22:18.15 | zecke | mickeyl: I just transformed the code :) |
| 22:18.39 | kiney | counter |
| 22:18.39 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 13:41:20 (17.570 +-14.0 days) (854,159) |
| 22:18.42 | zecke | mickeyl: I wonder how well gtk+ performs if a user hits the button fast enough (but I guess it will be all right) |
| 22:18.46 | high-rez | hmm, i guess I don't have the umlaut skills on my macbook. |
| 22:19.05 | LuitvD | high-rez: no dead-keys? |
| 22:19.27 | mickeyl | zecke: I think it'll be ok, since these widget flags are tightly coupled to the Gdk/X wid state |
| 22:19.30 | high-rez | LuitvD: I'm not sure how I'd remap them in OSX. |
| 22:19.41 | LuitvD | zomg, on linux I can even put an ' on top of the " |
| 22:19.43 | LuitvD | :D |
| 22:19.45 | LuitvD | Î… |
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| 22:22.03 | zecke | mickeyl: do you want to change it, should I change it? |
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| 22:22.11 | mickeyl | zecke: while you're at it, could you please? :) |
| 22:23.00 | zecke | ATH |
| 22:23.08 | mickeyl | OK |
| 22:23.54 | mickeyl | btw. me and some guys just returned from "Mr. Bean on holiday" film |
| 22:23.59 | mickeyl | better than i expected |
| 22:24.10 | cjb | mickeyl: isn't that from the 80s? |
| 22:24.23 | cjb | oh, no, it's the new one |
| 22:24.26 | mickeyl | no, that's a new one |
| 22:24.26 | mickeyl | ya |
| 22:25.14 | zecke | at least it is new in germany |
| 22:25.24 | high-rez | mickeyl: That sure is some nice wine. |
| 22:25.58 | LuitvD | hmm... thanks mickeyl, now I REALLY want to go XD |
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| 22:26.14 | LuitvD | have some 8 movies I'd still HAVE to see in the cinema :P |
| 22:27.05 | zecke | mickeyl: psst last.fm support in musicplayer is critical |
| 22:27.17 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:27.22 | mickeyl | ok, noted |
| 22:27.32 | mickeyl | i'm going to make the student base on starlin |
| 22:27.38 | mickeyl | the project i mentored last year |
| 22:27.58 | zecke | starlin? |
| 22:28.04 | mickeyl | Starling |
| 22:28.04 | LuitvD | how many google SoC students applied for moko? |
| 22:28.07 | mickeyl | media player for GPE |
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| 22:28.14 | Elrond | LuitvD!! :-) |
| 22:28.16 | mickeyl | LuitvD: roughly 50 projects |
| 22:28.23 | mickeyl | unfortunately... only 3 slots :/ |
| 22:28.25 | LuitvD | projects... |
| 22:28.52 | mickeyl | students |
| 22:28.54 | LuitvD | 50 people wanted to, and only 3 are lucky enaugh to be applied? |
| 22:28.58 | mickeyl | ya |
| 22:29.01 | LuitvD | damn :P |
| 22:29.04 | mickeyl | indeed |
| 22:29.22 | mickeyl | if this years' projects succeed, next year we'll get more |
| 22:29.27 | LuitvD | good thing I couldn't apply because of my age... don't think I'd stand a chance :P |
| 22:29.42 | mickeyl | heh |
| 22:29.45 | mickeyl | how old are you? |
| 22:29.46 | LuitvD | I think the project will be diffrent next year anyways :P |
| 22:30.08 | LuitvD | I'm about 3 months away from becoming 18 |
| 22:30.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r1743 10/developers/werner/usb-pullup/ (README new.fig new.spice runs si.pl): Improved performance with high-impedance load on D+. |
| 22:30.27 | LuitvD | and 18 is the lower age-limit... |
| 22:31.06 | LuitvD | plus, it's my last year of VWO this year, got some exames coming up whithin a month |
| 22:31.22 | LuitvD | after that, I'm completely done with school, and I can do whatever I want :) |
| 22:31.31 | Elrond | LuitvD - Where have you been the last month? exams? |
| 22:31.58 | LuitvD | (and 'whatever I want' in this case is get to study "electronic engeneering and design") |
| 22:32.07 | LuitvD | Elrond: nope, just not much time at all |
| 22:32.17 | LuitvD | Elrond: partly because of school too |
| 22:32.31 | mickeyl | actually interesting |
| 22:32.34 | mickeyl | OpenMoko in one year |
| 22:32.35 | LuitvD | Elrond: exames are in about 5 weeks |
| 22:32.35 | mickeyl | can't imagine |
| 22:32.38 | LuitvD | heheh |
| 22:32.41 | LuitvD | me neither |
| 22:32.52 | LuitvD | it's either dead or absolutely amazing :P |
| 22:32.56 | mickeyl | righto |
| 22:32.58 | mickeyl | i agree |
| 22:33.01 | mickeyl | nothing in between |
| 22:33.29 | MacNorth | i dunno, we could still be waiting for p1 in a year :-D |
| 22:33.34 | mickeyl | haha |
| 22:33.35 | mickeyl | hardly |
| 22:33.37 | mickeyl | but who knows |
| 22:33.42 | LuitvD | dead and revived by someone inside a big company completely misusing it, could be a way in between those two |
| 22:35.10 | LuitvD | no? |
| 22:35.12 | LuitvD | never mind :P |
| 22:35.20 | Elrond | LuitvD - Is my memory correct: You're the guy with the robot? |
| 22:35.24 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 22:35.29 | mickeyl | anyone know offhand what's |
| 22:35.31 | mickeyl | CPRI ? |
| 22:35.34 | mickeyl | (as in AT commands) |
| 22:35.40 | LuitvD | I sure hope it's absolutely amazing a year from now |
| 22:35.46 | Elrond | mickeyl - No. |
| 22:35.49 | LuitvD | Elrond: yess :) |
| 22:36.12 | LuitvD | Elrond: and it still doesn't work yet XD |
| 22:36.36 | LuitvD | Elrond: hope to get it up and running before may the 20th... :) |
| 22:37.17 | kmeyer | what robot? |
| 22:37.25 | Elrond | LuitvD - :-) |
| 22:37.30 | mickeyl | aaah |
| 22:37.33 | mickeyl | cipher indication |
| 22:37.35 | mickeyl | fun |
| 22:37.45 | LuitvD | kmeyer: a robot I built for school... which still doesn't work yet |
| 22:37.51 | Elrond | mickeyl - cipher? What the hack? |
| 22:37.54 | kmeyer | oh, fun |
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| 22:38.05 | mickeyl | Elrond: GSM inherently supports cipher |
| 22:38.11 | mickeyl | but only sometimes it can't |
| 22:38.14 | mickeyl | then it needs to indicate |
| 22:38.46 | mickeyl | it's even mandatory for a phone to display that to the user |
| 22:39.47 | LuitvD | and cypher applied there is illegal in the Netherlands? |
| 22:39.57 | LuitvD | or am I wrong there? |
| 22:40.32 | Elrond | mickeyl - Ahh. ;-) |
| 22:40.50 | Magon | mickeyl: any neod spec or d-bus concept yet? |
| 22:41.13 | LuitvD | (for anyone interested, my robot: http://img.luitvd.nl/100_1041.JPG) |
| 22:41.45 | LuitvD | (and it should be able to stand like that without leaning against the wall sometime soon) |
| 22:41.47 | Magon | LuitvD: what for? |
| 22:41.47 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1744 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/libmokogsmd/ (moko-gsmd-connection.c moko-gsmd-connection.h): |
| 22:41.47 | CIA-16 | openmoko: libmokogsmd: create first object signals. |
| 22:41.47 | CIA-16 | openmoko: NOTE: getting e.g. the gsm signal strength in an applet is now down to 2 lines: |
| 22:41.47 | CIA-16 | openmoko: MokoGsmdConnection* gsm = moko_gsmd_connection_new(); |
| 22:41.47 | CIA-16 | openmoko: g_signal_connect( G_OBJECT(gsm), "signal-strength-changed", G_CALLBACK(<showit>), 0 ); |
| 22:41.57 | LuitvD | Magon: a school project |
| 22:42.26 | mickeyl | Magon: I'm afraid not yet. this is my todo right after completing this gsm gobject wrapper |
| 22:42.30 | Magon | oh..i am now working on robot for eurobot |
| 22:42.34 | mickeyl | i.e. early next week |
| 22:42.34 | LuitvD | I really hope the thing will work after all... |
| 22:42.43 | LuitvD | Magon: eurobot? when? where? :P |
| 22:42.55 | Magon | mickeyl: great..till end of next week i have completly no time |
| 22:43.05 | mickeyl | ok cool, may be a good match |
| 22:43.11 | Magon | than i plan to start actually writting something for openmoko |
| 22:43.31 | Magon | LuitvD: Europian round is in Paris |
| 22:43.37 | rwhitby | mickeyl: I can't find CRPI in 3GPP TS 27.007 V6.8.0 |
| 22:43.40 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1745 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/configure.ac: openmoko-libs: requires gsmd now (thanks to libmokogsmd) |
| 22:43.44 | Magon | Czech one is next saturday in prague |
| 22:44.00 | rwhitby | s/CRPI/CPRI/ |
| 22:44.01 | LuitvD | Magon: bluh, don't like frenchies :P |
| 22:44.02 | kmeyer | 00.43 or so in europe? |
| 22:44.06 | Magon | btw: how many slots got openmoko on SoC? |
| 22:44.16 | LuitvD | 00:44 here :) |
| 22:44.19 | LuitvD | (netherlands) |
| 22:44.19 | Magon | LuitvD: all in emglish |
| 22:44.24 | LuitvD | hehehe |
| 22:44.29 | LuitvD | but it's in france |
| 22:44.58 | kmeyer | Ik kan geen nederlands spreken :P |
| 22:45.03 | LuitvD | whith all frenchies around... If you want to get something to eat, if you need some place to sleep, on the bus, in the streets :P |
| 22:45.08 | Magon | it seems like we were short of mentors than slots |
| 22:45.17 | rwhitby | mickeyl: where did you find the definition of CPRI? |
| 22:45.24 | LuitvD | kmeyer: und ich spreche kein deutch |
| 22:45.27 | LuitvD | :) |
| 22:45.53 | kmeyer | neither do I :P |
| 22:46.08 | mickeyl | rwhitby: in the source code of libgsmd :D |
| 22:46.11 | kmeyer | I'm US-ian |
| 22:46.18 | mickeyl | this command seems to be not very known |
| 22:46.33 | mickeyl | s/not very/hardly/ |
| 22:46.51 | rwhitby | yeah, well it's not in TS 27.007 as far as I can see. |
| 22:47.07 | mickeyl | LaF0rge <mickeyl> aaah |
| 22:47.07 | mickeyl | <mickeyl> cipher indication |
| 22:47.11 | mickeyl | oops, sorry |
| 22:47.23 | LuitvD | kmeyer: je ne parle pas de Francais aussi ;) |
| 22:47.24 | mickeyl | LaF0rge may comment on that, but I'm afraid he's already in bed |
| 22:47.51 | zecke | mickeyl: the visible trick doesn't work |
| 22:47.58 | zecke | mickeyl: GTK_WIDGET_VISIBLE returns 1 |
| 22:49.16 | mickeyl | hmm really? darn |
| 22:49.21 | mickeyl | docs say it should work |
| 22:50.10 | mickeyl | you're supplying the wid as argument? |
| 22:50.13 | mickeyl | i.e. |
| 22:50.15 | mickeyl | ->window |
| 22:50.45 | zecke | no :) |
| 22:50.58 | kmeyer | LuitvD: I really only know English and a tad of Dutch/Korean |
| 22:51.00 | mickeyl | ah |
| 22:51.09 | mickeyl | you need to do that |
| 22:51.12 | zecke | mickeyl: GTK_WIDGET_BUT_USE_WINDOW_VISIBLE... |
| 22:51.14 | mickeyl | C++ would have warned you *cough* |
| 22:51.32 | LuitvD | kmeyer: I can do more :D |
| 22:51.45 | mickeyl | zecke: i could be wrong though... i guess i have just used it only once |
| 22:52.10 | mickeyl | oh, apparantly i didn't |
| 22:52.14 | mickeyl | lets see what codase.com says |
| 22:52.29 | zecke | man remote x is slow with that fat theme... |
| 22:53.03 | zecke | mickeyl: Bjoern makes the joke: "Over remote X it almost feels as slow as the real neo" |
| 22:53.08 | mickeyl | haha |
| 22:53.10 | mickeyl | nasty |
| 22:53.17 | mickeyl | http://www.codase.com/search/smart?join=GTK_WIDGET_VISIBLE&scope=join%2Fjoin&lang=*&project= |
| 22:53.21 | mickeyl | shows that some people are using it |
| 22:53.26 | mickeyl | but are submitting the widget as ID |
| 22:53.28 | mickeyl | odd |
| 22:53.31 | mickeyl | sure it doesn't work? |
| 22:54.04 | xkr47 | what are you trying to do ? |
| 22:54.20 | mickeyl | using GTK_WIDGET_VISIBLE as documented ;) |
| 22:54.30 | zecke | g_print ("Make it visible: %d %d %d\n", visible, GTK_WIDGET_VISIBLE(priv->entry), GTK_WIDGET_VISIBLE(priv->searchbar_page)); |
| 22:54.35 | zecke | mickeyl: documentation? |
| 22:55.30 | zecke | mickeyl: well, my app is doing the obvious show_all on the window |
| 22:55.38 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1746 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/Makefile.am: openmoko-libs: compile libmokogsmd |
| 22:55.47 | zecke | mickeyl: so basicly all widgets have VISIBLE set, even if they are not visible :) |
| 22:55.48 | LuitvD | hmm... who mentioned last.fm support for the media player in openmoko? |
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| 22:56.01 | mickeyl | zecke: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/GtkWidget.html#GTK-WIDGET-VISIBLE:CAPS |
| 22:56.22 | mickeyl | although i learned that you are not supposed to trust the gtk doc... |
| 22:56.24 | LuitvD | I think it'll be nasty to get it to work... you'll need a tagger... |
| 22:56.39 | zecke | mickeyl: ((GTK_WIDGET_FLAGS (wid) & GTK_VISIBLE) != 0) |
| 22:57.06 | xkr47 | it seems as gtk_widget_show() should set the visible value |
| 22:57.49 | xkr47 | or well sorry |
| 22:58.06 | xkr47 | it will only be set to visible once the parents are also visible |
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| 22:58.19 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.50 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1747 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/configure.ac: openmoko-libs: make libmokogsmd really build |
| 22:59.00 | xkr47 | or well I don't know |
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| 22:59.16 | xkr47 | check the source yourself :) |
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| 23:00.19 | mickeyl | you know these are the things i hate w/ gtk |
| 23:00.33 | mickeyl | you expect something to work, but it doesnt |
| 23:00.51 | mickeyl | later you find out that the semantics is just defined in a strange way |
| 23:00.56 | xkr47 | :P |
| 23:01.12 | mickeyl | it truely doesn't work with the principle of least surprise |
| 23:01.21 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 23:01.24 | xkr47 | :) |
| 23:02.06 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1748 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-base/openmoko-libs_svn.bb: oe/openmoko-libs: package more fine granular, catch up with recent addition of libmokogsmd |
| 23:02.19 | xkr47 | so GTK_WIDGET_VISIBLE does not work? |
| 23:02.30 | xkr47 | you say it returns 1.. |
| 23:02.44 | xkr47 | why shouldn't it |
| 23:03.15 | zecke | mickeyl: well, this is okay |
| 23:03.23 | xkr47 | GTK_WIDGET_DRAWABLE might be what you want |
| 23:03.34 | xkr47 | although I didn't grep the context from the scrollback |
| 23:03.48 | zecke | mickeyl: it is likw with the WidgetFlags with Qt. If not explicitly hidden a QWidget will be shown when the parent is shown |
| 23:04.16 | zecke | xkr47: the widget should be mapped as well |
| 23:04.19 | xkr47 | in gtk, children are show only if you tell them to.. showing the parent does not imply.. unless you call show_all |
| 23:04.31 | xkr47 | zecke, GTK_WIDGET_DRAWABLE checks exactly that |
| 23:04.36 | xkr47 | (it checks visible + mapped) |
| 23:05.08 | zecke | xkr47: I know |
| 23:05.20 | zecke | xkr47: it is mapped when made visible by gtkwidget :) |
| 23:05.30 | xkr47 | mm |
| 23:05.34 | zecke | but let us try :) |
| 23:05.49 | xkr47 | if you want help, please tell me more details |
| 23:06.18 | xkr47 | ofc there is always #gtk+ on freenode and gimpnet.. |
| 23:06.54 | zecke | we have two pages in a GtkNotebook and want to show the currently not visible one |
| 23:07.03 | zecke | without having a flag to remember which one is visible |
| 23:07.45 | zecke | and get_current_page of notebook could be used, but we are not there yet :) |
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| 23:10.05 | xkr47 | you're not there yet ?-) |
| 23:10.08 | xkr47 | what do you mean :) |
| 23:10.36 | zecke | xkr47: well, we use methods a long the object hierachy (i try to) |
| 23:10.47 | zecke | xkr47: try GtkWidget, then Bin, Container :) |
| 23:10.58 | zecke | but to my suprise drawable seems to behave |
| 23:11.09 | xkr47 | :) |
| 23:11.26 | xkr47 | you are showing / hiding container widgets instead of using notebook functions ?-)) |
| 23:12.07 | zecke | xkr47: no, we do use notebook functions |
| 23:14.19 | zecke | mickeyl: http://rafb.net/p/0NtuRh59.html |
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| 23:16.04 | mickeyl | zecke: ACK. Please commit |
| 23:16.28 | zecke | GNU changelog style commit message? |
| 23:16.50 | mickeyl | sure |
| 23:17.01 | mickeyl | (you do have access to openmoko-libs do you?) |
| 23:17.35 | zecke | I don't know, I will try |
| 23:23.47 | zecke | mickeyl: forbidden :) |
| 23:23.55 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:24.26 | mickeyl | you checked it out w/ https? |
| 23:24.31 | zecke | http://rafb.net/p/i4BIMI28.html my first GNU ChangeLog entry |
| 23:24.37 | zecke | mickeyl: a good question :) |
| 23:26.36 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zecke * r1749 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/libmokoui/ (moko-tool-box.c moko-tool-box.h): |
| 23:26.36 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 2007-04-14 Holger Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 23:26.36 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * moko-tool-box.h: Introduce new method moko_tool_box_make_search_visible |
| 23:26.36 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * moko-tool-box.c: (_button_release) use moko_tool_box_make_search_visible |
| 23:26.36 | CIA-16 | openmoko: and use GTK_WIDGET_DRAWABLE to decide if the GtkEntry is currently visible |
| 23:26.40 | zecke | no acl's :) |
| 23:26.40 | CIA-16 | openmoko: to the user. |
| 23:26.42 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_tool_box_search_visible) show/hide the search bar on demand |
| 23:26.52 | mickeyl | here we are |
| 23:26.53 | mickeyl | congrats |
| 23:27.03 | mickeyl | how did you get that GNU changelog entry? |
| 23:27.09 | mickeyl | never did that :D |
| 23:27.28 | zecke | http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/Change-Logs.html |
| 23:27.51 | zecke | I don't agree for the reason |
| 23:27.54 | mickeyl | ah so you handcrafted |
| 23:28.03 | zecke | :) |
| 23:28.05 | mickeyl | I'm still looking for a way to have this autogen'd |
| 23:28.06 | zecke | wait a second |
| 23:28.10 | zecke | I have a way |
| 23:29.04 | zecke | http://trac.webkit.org/projects/webkit/browser/trunk/WebKitTools/Scripts/prepare-ChangeLog |
| 23:29.18 | zecke | @eazel.com :) |
| 23:30.01 | mickeyl | nice |
| 23:30.20 | mickeyl | speaking of autogenerating |
| 23:30.21 | mickeyl | i have a new problem |
| 23:30.29 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.33 | mickeyl | how can i embed calls to glib-genmarshal into my autotools project? |
| 23:31.03 | xkr47 | :O |
| 23:31.22 | zecke | mickeyl: spy at sugar |
| 23:32.05 | zecke | mickeyl: http://dev.laptop.org/git.do?p=sugar;a=blob;h=ae013e01b1a7fca7cfbb85591f2d6afe166fd54e;hb=879ef9b0e04ee9ac2f615dc91e05c5a64d5da0b2;f=browser/Makefile.am |
| 23:32.30 | zecke | mickeyl: http://dev.laptop.org/git.do?p=sugar;a=blob;h=f35f660df28a8b664763471760e012455955ae5e;hb=879ef9b0e04ee9ac2f615dc91e05c5a64d5da0b2;f=configure.ac |
| 23:32.33 | zecke | line 29 |
| 23:33.04 | mickeyl | cool, thanks |
| 23:33.08 | mickeyl | that'll get me started |
| 23:33.10 | mickeyl | tomorrow though |
| 23:33.13 | mickeyl | need to sleep now |
| 23:33.15 | mickeyl | g'night! |
| 23:33.16 | xkr47 | good night! |
| 23:33.17 | zecke | not today? |
| 23:33.36 | mickeyl | nah, really really tired :) remember... I'm 10 years older than you ;) |
| 23:33.42 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zecke * r1750 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/TODO: openmoko-rssreader: Mention selection handling as a thig to solve |
| 23:33.43 | mickey|zzZZzz | oh ya |
| 23:33.45 | xkr47 | hehe |
| 23:33.45 | mickey|zzZZzz | today |
| 23:33.47 | mickey|zzZZzz | ~lart me |
| 23:33.47 | apt | slaps mickey|zzzzzz upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 23:33.50 | zecke | :) |
| 23:33.54 | zecke | go to bed pal |
| 23:34.01 | mickey|zzZZzz | ;) |
| 23:35.56 | zecke | xkr47: do you know how to handle focus handling in Gtk? |
| 23:36.08 | zecke | xkr47: e.g. I have a GtkTextView and a GtkTreeView |
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| 23:36.23 | zecke | xkr47: I want all alpha chars go to the treeview |
| 23:36.38 | zecke | but all navigation commands "up,down,left,right" to the textview |
| 23:37.14 | xkr47 | :) |
| 23:38.03 | xkr47 | don't you mean the other way ?-) |
| 23:38.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zecke * r1751 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/src/main.c: |
| 23:38.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: openmoko-rssreader: Change sort order, make the treeview grab focus |
| 23:38.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Change the sort order to make "Today" be at |
| 23:38.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: the top of the list by default |
| 23:38.10 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Make the Treeview grab the focus by default |
| 23:38.32 | zecke | xkr47: I see I have a conflict :) |
| 23:39.07 | zecke | e.g. if I scroll the in the textview (up,down) text input should still go to the search entry |
| 23:39.51 | xkr47 | ah you mean like some file managers that you can type a few chars and then it only jumps to entries matching in the list ? |
| 23:39.58 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zecke * r1752 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/src/callbacks.c: |
| 23:39.58 | CIA-16 | openmoko: openmoko-rssreader: Forward key events from the treeview to the Search bar |
| 23:39.58 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Typing charachters will automatically enable the searchbar. |
| 23:40.22 | zecke | xkr47: I will bother us later :) |
| 23:40.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 23:40.41 | xkr47 | us ?-) |
| 23:41.30 | xkr47 | gtkentry.c : gtk_cell_editable_key_press_event() cancels entry focus if up/down pressed |
| 23:41.55 | xkr47 | zecke, doesn't the file manager file list view work like you want ? |
| 23:42.03 | xkr47 | (dunno if it does it in 2.6 tho) |
| 23:42.29 | zecke | all of us |
| 23:42.50 | zecke | xkr47: do you mean this little window popping up in the right bottom corner? |
| 23:43.01 | xkr47 | yeah |
| 23:43.12 | xkr47 | or what behaviour do you refer to ? |
| 23:43.16 | xkr47 | something opposite ?-) |
| 23:44.56 | zecke | xkr47: well, these moko apps have a search bar in the center :) |
| 23:45.06 | zecke | xkr47: but let us talk later, I'm off to bed as well |
| 23:45.19 | xkr47 | good night |
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