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| 00:53.08 | bhima | counter |
| 00:53.09 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 5 days 11:06:51 (19.463 +-14.0 days) (831,157) |
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| 01:40.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Popup_Menu]] [[Menubar]] [[Action_Button]] [[Toolbar]] [[Application_Manager]] [[Search_Widget]] [[Talk:Search_Widget]] |
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| 01:55.44 | youngdev | wow openmoko |
| 01:56.08 | youngdev | I remember reading about this project |
| 01:56.27 | youngdev | does anyone actually have one of these phones? |
| 01:56.27 | aloril | youngdev: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 01:57.06 | peepsalot | youngdev, only a select few lucky developers have a phone at the moment |
| 01:57.46 | peepsalot | it should be for sale in the coming weeks, actual date unknown. they keep pushing it back |
| 01:58.21 | youngdev | they look uber badass |
| 01:59.21 | peepsalot | yep |
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| 01:59.45 | youngdev | lets say I wanted to be a developer, how do I get my hands on one? |
| 01:59.56 | bhima | There were some problems with the latest hardware revision. Last I heard, they weren't sure if it was hardware or software. |
| 02:00.01 | LarstiQ | youngdev: subscribe to the announce list |
| 02:00.21 | bhima | ie: there really isn't production hardware for anybody ATM. |
| 02:00.22 | LarstiQ | youngdev: keep an eye on planet.openmoko.org, and order one once openmoko.com goes live |
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| 04:08.47 | kinema | I just ran across a paper titled "Accurate GSM Indoor Localization" and was wondering if the Neo1973's GSM driver exports the data required for this method. |
| 04:10.23 | kinema | The paper talks about a "cellsAPI" and "channelsAPI" but I'm not clear on weather or not these APIs are part of the GSM standard or if they are specific to the GSM modem used in the paper. |
| 04:12.46 | kinema | Hmmm... awful quiet in here. |
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| 04:25.27 | aloril | its standard AT interface, dunno if you can get required data (I think at least some mailing list post listed almost all supported AT commands and maybe listed in wiki too) |
| 04:25.37 | aloril | (above for kinema) |
| 04:26.07 | kinema | aloril: thanks.... I should have looked before asking. |
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| 05:55.31 | root__ | http://www.pastebin.ca/435877 |
| 05:57.06 | rwhitby | root__: what host OS? |
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| 05:57.55 | root__ | fedora-6/kernel2.6.18 |
| 05:58.42 | kmeyer | root__: the kernel that ships with fc6 (2.6.18) is broken |
| 05:58.45 | kmeyer | please get a new one |
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| 05:59.53 | kmeyer | root__: fc6 ships glibc 2.5 |
| 06:00.00 | kmeyer | but I don't get that error... |
| 06:00.00 | root__ | kernel 2.6.20 is ok |
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| 06:01.37 | root__ | kmeyer: then what i need to do |
| 06:01.51 | kmeyer | I don't know :P |
| 06:03.05 | root__ | rwhitby: can you help me to solve my problem |
| 06:03.21 | rwhitby | root__: nope, no idea about that one. |
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| 06:04.42 | MacNorth | linker errors are the worst |
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| 06:07.03 | root__ | which flavour of linux do u suggest for building this |
| 06:07.16 | MacNorth | debian etch is a leading favorite :) |
| 06:07.46 | kmeyer | I'm using fc6 |
| 06:07.52 | kmeyer | but bits fail |
| 06:07.55 | kmeyer | for me |
| 06:08.14 | root__ | kmeyer:which one are u using now |
| 06:08.28 | kmeyer | fc6 |
| 06:08.58 | root__ | kmeyer:kernel,were u able to build it successfully |
| 06:09.09 | kmeyer | latest kernel I think |
| 06:09.35 | kmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.04 | root__ | rwhitby:which flavour of linux do u suggest to build moko makefile |
| 06:10.07 | rwhitby | I use Debian Etch and CentOS 4.4 |
| 06:10.31 | rwhitby | and I complain loudly upstream if it breaks on either of those :-) |
| 06:17.04 | root__ | kmeyer:were u able to build moko makefile |
| 06:17.38 | kmeyer | nope |
| 06:18.13 | root__ | kmeyer:have u tried building from scratch method |
| 06:18.23 | kmeyer | no |
| 06:18.29 | kmeyer | I'm trying again tho now |
| 06:18.47 | root__ | kmeyer:which way |
| 06:19.18 | kmeyer | mokomakefile |
| 06:19.53 | root__ | rwhitby:how can i build the openmoko for my pc |
| 06:21.33 | CM | root__: It's described step by step in the wiki :) |
| 06:22.01 | root__ | CM:i have tried moko makefile and iam getting errors |
| 06:22.30 | CM | Me too, I've only managed to build the fic-gta01 images with the makefile |
| 06:22.44 | CM | But that's because I'm on gentoo 64-bit, so it's my own fault ;) |
| 06:23.26 | kmeyer | :-) |
| 06:23.44 | root__ | CM:so which one are u planning to shift to next |
| 06:24.34 | CM | root__: What do you mean? I'll still use the makefile, with x86 target machine |
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| 06:24.45 | CM | But I'll hope it works this time ;) |
| 06:25.12 | root__ | CM:which flavour of linux will u use |
| 06:25.49 | CM | root__: Gentoo, but debian etch in a change root or in vmware if I'm lazy |
| 06:26.02 | CM | To have as a build environment |
| 06:26.47 | CM | My tries with that always failed on libelf |
| 06:27.08 | rwhitby | the libelf thing was a 64-bit thing wasn't it? |
| 06:27.15 | CM | Yes |
| 06:27.34 | CM | So it's my own fault.. ;) |
| 06:27.43 | rwhitby | 64-bit Gentoo is almost as bad (build-stability-wise) as building on OpenBSD ... |
| 06:28.24 | CM | I can imagine.. But I'll gladly help out if I can do anything |
| 06:29.44 | CM | But not right now... Travel fever here.. ;) |
| 06:30.33 | kmeyer | http://nopaste.info/0453094128.html |
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| 07:15.29 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:26.35 | wooKieface | morning |
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| 07:56.57 | kelvinn | morn |
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| 08:01.12 | hrw | morning |
| 08:01.55 | Rakshasa | morning |
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| 08:02.09 | Rakshasa | Me too. |
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| 08:23.11 | Elrond | counter |
| 08:23.11 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 5 days 03:36:48 (19.151 +-14.0 days) (832,157) |
| 08:26.59 | Elrond | koen - The openmoko one looks a little empty to me? |
| 08:27.13 | koen | Elrond: yes |
| 08:27.32 | Elrond | ... and I have yet to understand, what llvm has to do with openmoko. |
| 08:29.41 | Elrond | Other thing: Is anything new known about the instability issue? Except the Bug#321-possibility? |
| 08:31.29 | XorA | Elrond: llvm is going to subvert your phones |
| 08:33.59 | Elrond | XorA - huh? |
| 08:36.09 | koen | llvm rocks |
| 08:36.41 | koen | I hope plan9 gets ported to the neo |
| 08:37.09 | XorA | AROS on Neo :-) |
| 08:37.21 | XorA | that'll make mickey|zzZZzz feel at home |
| 08:37.23 | CM | koen: What guy wanted to do that? |
| 08:37.34 | CM | I know someone here talked about that :) |
| 08:37.44 | koen | CM: someone applied for a google SoC to do that |
| 08:39.55 | XorA | the only plan 9 I know is from outer space |
| 08:40.16 | XorA | time for Cedega for Neo :-D |
| 08:40.59 | Elrond | vm/esx for neo. ;) |
| 08:43.17 | prom | *lol* yeah. ibm mainframe OSs have great touchscreen support and stuff. this will rock the mobile phone market. ;) |
| 08:46.30 | prom | too bad those old monsters are written in asm and (sometimes, if your lucky) ancient not-so-high-level languages. ;) |
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| 08:49.12 | Elrond | <-- heading to work. ;) |
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| 08:50.39 | koen | I wonder if http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.devel/9304 is going to apply to v1 neo's in ~1.5 years |
| 08:51.20 | XorA | koen: luckilly with Neo you have the source |
| 08:52.00 | CM | prom: Mostly APL here, and some Rexx |
| 08:52.04 | koen | XorA: yes, but a lot of those sources are forks of other projects, so you're still in maintenance hell |
| 08:52.16 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03dodji * r1729 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 08:52.16 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Made entries deletion work, fixed leaks, added comments to test cases. |
| 08:52.16 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/src/moko-journal.c: |
| 08:52.16 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_j_entry_free_real): fix a leak in here. |
| 08:52.16 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_journal_remove_entry_at): make this really remove |
| 08:52.19 | CIA-16 | openmoko: the entries from MokoJournal::entries. |
| 08:52.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_journal_write_to_storage): fix a leak. |
| 08:52.38 | XorA | koen: thats why we have Angstrom - Neo :-) |
| 08:53.46 | koen | :D |
| 08:53.46 | prom | koen: well, till now most linux-PDAs and PDAs in general have faded rather quickly. but moko has some chance of breaking this rule, i think. if there will be more devices after the neo. |
| 08:54.05 | XorA | prom: the Zaurus lasted many years |
| 08:54.48 | prom | XorA: yes, to some degree. so did the ipaq. but did it really become usable? as in give-it-to-your-mom-usable? |
| 08:55.03 | prom | ubuntu sure is. but none of the open pda projects seemed to be. |
| 08:55.27 | XorA | prom: give us 30 paid developers |
| 08:55.40 | XorA | prom: and OE will churn out Mom + Pop releases |
| 08:55.49 | koen | 30 paid developers that know 'patch' and 'mail' instead of 'svn import' |
| 08:56.03 | prom | XorA: and dont forget at least one really good UI designer. the curren moko UI seems to have been designed by graphics people in photoshop. |
| 08:56.16 | prom | koen: hehe ;) |
| 08:56.22 | thresh | at least not by professional programmers |
| 08:57.13 | prom | thresh: yes, even programmers are better at UIs than graphics people. ;) |
| 08:57.40 | thresh | :) |
| 08:57.51 | prom | but i think there is some chance for these things to improve if FIC doesnt pull out or anything. |
| 08:57.52 | XorA | and no UI people from Samsung or Motorola |
| 08:58.18 | thresh | for me, palm os's interface is the best :) |
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| 09:01.46 | ewon | have palm managed to do multitasking yet? |
| 09:01.51 | prom | XorA: indeed. i prefer nokia and sonyE. ive been doing j2me for a while so ive used and hated them all... ;) |
| 09:01.54 | hrw | ewon: no |
| 09:01.58 | dottedmag | ewon: it does not matter |
| 09:02.02 | ewon | sure it does |
| 09:02.15 | thresh | it does, actually |
| 09:02.21 | ewon | what if I want to run an app in the background? |
| 09:02.26 | prom | indeed. think about application switching. |
| 09:02.39 | dottedmag | let it run. |
| 09:02.44 | hrw | ewon: palmos does not support running in background. |
| 09:02.45 | dottedmag | what's the problem? |
| 09:02.54 | thresh | well, actually it does |
| 09:02.55 | koen | don't use palmos if you want to run an app in the background |
| 09:03.01 | dottedmag | this is not related to interface |
| 09:03.02 | thresh | but it's a hack-hack-hack |
| 09:03.33 | dottedmag | It's all about the interface principles, not about the actual OS. |
| 09:03.44 | ewon | is there some form of background-execution support in j2me? I never came across it |
| 09:03.45 | nibbler_de | ewon: i got a treo 680 (last palm phone) and sold it due to lack of multitasking |
| 09:04.27 | prom | nibbler: morning. :) |
| 09:04.51 | nibbler_de | imagine... starting a ssh client and having no possibility to switch to your calendar for some seconds without restart/reconnect... |
| 09:04.55 | nibbler_de | morning prom :) |
| 09:05.04 | koen | prom: if you use moko svn as overlay, pin the revision |
| 09:05.17 | koen | prom: if you don't pin the revision, you don't even need the svn |
| 09:06.22 | Stephmw | ewon: google for MVM and j2me |
| 09:06.25 | prom | koen: kay. ill continue with my svn-based setup then. |
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| 09:06.36 | Stephmw | ewon: Nokia demoed this last year at JavaOne |
| 09:06.42 | Stephmw | ewon: (as did Motorola) |
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| 09:07.47 | Stephmw | ewon: http://developers.sun.com/learning/javaoneonline/2006/mobility/TS-4447.pdf page 19 |
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| 09:10.33 | ewon | thanks |
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| 09:10.57 | ewon | I'm all for anything that makes j2me less retarded :) |
| 09:11.13 | ewon | the thought of a phone I can cross compile C for appeals to me though :D |
| 09:13.22 | Stephmw | of course - the idea of j2me is for distribution to end-users who don't have that facility ;) |
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| 09:19.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Migration_to_bad_block_tolerant_builds]] |
| 09:19.25 | ewon | how completely awesome is this: http://6502asm.com/ |
| 09:20.16 | florian | good morning |
| 09:20.26 | Stephmw | ewon: you're a sick, sick man :D |
| 09:20.26 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03dodji * r1730 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 09:20.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Changed some function names for better legibility |
| 09:20.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/src/moko-journal.[c|h]: |
| 09:20.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: change moko_j_entry* into moko_journal_entry*, |
| 09:20.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: MokoJEntry, into MokoJournalEntry, etc. |
| 09:20.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: That is for better legibility. |
| 09:20.29 | Stephmw | hey florian |
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| 09:29.33 | CM | In case anyone is thinking about moving to or within the US, this map is worth taking a look at for anyone that's single: http://creativeclass.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/03/singles_2.jpg |
| 09:32.26 | Stephmw | CM: lol... or somewhere to avoid for us married folks |
| 09:33.53 | prom | CM: *hrhrhr* |
| 09:34.48 | ewon | CM: I'm moving to CA in august.. |
| 09:35.30 | ewon | Santa Monica... looks like I'm going to have some challenges in finding a woman.... |
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| 09:41.14 | kelvinn | ewon: but there are lots of women! |
| 09:41.47 | CM | kelvinn: Guess they're not single then ;) |
| 09:42.38 | kelvinn | heh, hate it when that happens |
| 09:47.12 | XorA | isnt Santa Monica where the girl on girl action happens? |
| 09:47.53 | kelvinn | might be Santa Barbara... |
| 09:48.53 | ewon | heh :) |
| 09:49.03 | cbaird | Wouldn't the Moko's a 64k colour screen be /wasted/ on Plan9 ? (..my experience with it was back on B&W Blit terminals :) |
| 09:49.07 | ewon | coming from Ireland it can only be an improvement |
| 09:49.14 | ewon | irish_women--; |
| 09:49.23 | CM | I'm a bit suspicious about Miami though.. I suspect the single women there to be 75 yerars plus.. ;) |
| 09:49.38 | Stephmw | but isn't 20% of the US genepool from ireland? |
| 09:49.53 | ewon | yeah, but it's been mixed in with some finer stock since then... |
| 09:50.07 | CM | ewon: Hehe.. |
| 09:50.10 | kelvinn | CM: That could be true... |
| 09:50.25 | Stephmw | ewon: it has?!? |
| 09:50.26 | kelvinn | ewon: at least you have Guinness... |
| 09:50.48 | ewon | heh, one of the devs here replaced all out static C arrays with std::vectors, and merged it into HEAD without telling anyone |
| 09:51.02 | Stephmw | *BOOM* |
| 09:51.05 | CM | Lots of pretty girls here in Sweden, but my gf has philippino parents.. |
| 09:51.26 | Stephmw | CM: lucky guy :) |
| 09:53.52 | xkr47 | :) |
| 09:56.23 | CM | Honestly I'd rank Norway higher though.. Damn.. :D |
| 09:57.45 | ewon | I was with a swedish girl once - damn hot, but a bit of a psycho |
| 10:01.06 | xkr47 | psyc-hot-ic |
| 10:01.09 | cbaird | I had a /really hot/ French female housemate, who I got on famously with, but... she'd studied in the States as an Undergrad, so she had a _really_thick_ American English accent. :( |
| 10:01.23 | Stephmw | cbaird: what a massive turnoff |
| 10:02.09 | CM | My sister was over a year in Attlanna.. (Atlanta GA) Picked up a terible accent :P |
| 10:02.26 | cbaird | (she was the -very-image- of the 'sexy french maid' archetype.. but sadly there was zero hint of a continental accent when she spoke..) |
| 10:03.26 | ewon | I lived with this obscenely hot american for a semester... alas she was a lesbian |
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| 10:03.45 | CM | cbaird: You should have given her a maids dress and asked her to please be quiet. ;) |
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| 10:04.13 | nibbler_de | ewon: isn't that a good basis for a nice threesome o:-) |
| 10:04.25 | kelvinn | ewon: look what you started with your CA talk! |
| 10:05.17 | kelvinn | anyhow, gotta go meet the lady for dinner, g'nite all |
| 10:05.55 | CM | nibbler_de: Hmm.. I was just reading this not at all pc comic.. http://www.explosm.net/comics/862/http://www.explosm.net/comics/862/ |
| 10:06.07 | CM | Äh, sorry.. http://www.explosm.net/comics/862/ |
| 10:06.37 | cbaird | ewon: I lived with an obscenely fat american girl for a semester... :| |
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| 10:07.39 | nibbler_de | CM ;) |
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| 10:25.53 | ewon | nibbler_de: alas, no, she was lesbian, not bisexual :( |
| 10:26.13 | ewon | we should probably try and somehow make this relevant to openmoko before we all get K-lined |
| 10:26.39 | ewon | ...some form of social networking app involving the bluetooth transceiver? |
| 10:26.58 | paulproteus | Don't try too hard, or else you'll *definitely* get K-lined. (-: |
| 10:30.49 | Stephmw | ewon: meh, just add support for that BT-controlled dildo |
| 10:37.31 | CM | I think bluetooth is not used enough in games for mobile phones |
| 10:38.33 | Stephmw | agreed: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/12/sxsw_teledildonics/ |
| 10:39.31 | XorA | CM: a bluetooth version of digimon would be cool |
| 10:39.55 | XorA | ewon: its safe for work |
| 10:39.56 | Stephmw | ewon: no dodgy pictures... but what it links to may well be unsafe |
| 10:40.03 | CM | XorA: Yes, or some Advance Wars or so |
| 10:40.11 | ewon | a bluetooth version of "here, let's go have a ride in the toilets" could be useful |
| 10:40.30 | Stephmw | errr, that's called toothing, right? |
| 10:40.43 | CM | I started on some simple boggle game in j2me but never finished it.. At least had bluetooth pairing working and some basic networking |
| 10:40.52 | XorA | Stephmw: although the conference guy does appear to be waving a steel vagina |
| 10:40.58 | Stephmw | XorA: LOL |
| 10:40.58 | CM | 2 person boggle over bluetooth that is |
| 10:41.06 | Stephmw | XorA: that can't be comfortable |
| 10:44.24 | cbaird | XorA: I've visited 4chan too often and know exactly what he's holding. -_- |
| 10:44.31 | PBeck | hi |
| 10:45.37 | XorA | cbaird: please explain, it looks scarilly like a cross between vagina in a cup and a 3000Kw hair drrier |
| 10:45.58 | XorA | I mean 3Kw of course |
| 10:46.07 | XorA | 3000Kw would burn skin off head in seconds |
| 10:46.23 | PBeck | counter |
| 10:46.23 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 5 days 01:13:36 (19.051 +-14.0 days) (833,157) |
| 10:46.33 | PBeck | hum 2 weeks? |
| 10:46.47 | PBeck | for a few days the counter said 6 days :P |
| 10:46.47 | XorA | PBeck: counter long ago became random :-) |
| 10:46.55 | PBeck | rofl ;) |
| 10:47.10 | PBeck | a random counter :p |
| 10:47.13 | XorA | PBeck: aloril just adds a few weeks everytime deadline passes |
| 10:47.26 | PBeck | hm whan was the deadline? |
| 10:47.29 | PBeck | *when |
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| 10:47.43 | PBeck | where can i read that ;) |
| 10:47.50 | PBeck | *this |
| 10:47.55 | aloril | official info is quite vague currently |
| 10:47.56 | PBeck | argh my english ;) |
| 10:48.03 | aloril | or more like its missing ;-) |
| 10:48.10 | PBeck | rofl ;) Ok :) |
| 10:48.29 | Elrond | Right. Even info on the instabilities is mostly missing. |
| 10:48.30 | aloril | see that link for 2 more info |
| 10:49.04 | CM | Stephmw: Now don't take that litteraly! :P |
| 10:49.46 | Stephmw | CM: that would _surely_ be a painful fetish :D |
| 10:49.50 | Elrond | So we need the neo-lego-compatibility add-on? ;) |
| 10:50.00 | XorA | CM: I have 3 trainsets and am trying to build a world to go round them |
| 10:50.34 | CM | XorA: Ah, cool :) I mostly have technics.. |
| 10:51.03 | XorA | CM: I have technic trike, pickup, go-cart and maybe some others I forget |
| 10:52.00 | CM | I got a pneumatic forklift when I was 6, and since that i only got technic stuff. Have some huge car and other stuff |
| 10:52.05 | hrw | and then lot of Polish clones |
| 10:52.27 | XorA | CM: my dad gave away my huge car chasis, Im still annoyed |
| 10:52.44 | CM | Hmm.. I should get a NXT lego thing and make the Neo bluetooth work as a controller for it |
| 10:53.06 | CM | XorA: Was it the red one with foldable lights and a v4 with gears? :D |
| 10:55.44 | PBeck | in my education we have at school many NXT lego sets |
| 10:56.06 | PBeck | so we can train with mechatronic systems ;) |
| 10:56.19 | PBeck | and Lego use LabView |
| 10:57.22 | CM | I have to avoid getting too many toys. A Neo first, then... ;) |
| 10:57.44 | XorA | CM: http://www.chem.sunysb.edu/msl/lego/8860.jpg |
| 10:58.43 | CM | XorA: Ah, that's old school for sure. I had the later version that was red |
| 10:59.02 | PBeck | CM: yes the neo is the best ;) |
| 10:59.48 | PBeck | i hope the will available soon ;) |
| 10:59.53 | PBeck | +neo |
| 11:00.35 | XorA | CM: a friend gave me it with no instructions or box, I had to build it just from the picture in the lego catalogue, so I had a bit of pride in it, so Im annoyed its gone |
| 11:01.00 | CM | Wow, I can imagine |
| 11:02.20 | CM | XorA: I was thinking of this one: http://www.brickset.com/detail.aspx?Set=8865-1 |
| 11:02.52 | CM | And this one... http://www.brickset.com/detail.aspx?Set=8843-1 :) |
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| 11:03.53 | XorA | CM: thats pretty cool |
| 11:04.33 | XorA | Ill have to go to more car boots to collect enough bits for that :-) |
| 11:04.36 | CM | I almost wore out that suspension, added motors and all kinds of stuff :) |
| 11:04.59 | XorA | CM: I have the remote control one |
| 11:05.03 | CM | Not sure about the instructions for it.. |
| 11:05.15 | XorA | CM: instructions will be on peeron anyway |
| 11:05.33 | CM | With cable? I had the old enginges, several. Burned some out using my dads car battery charger, but damn it was fast for a while |
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| 11:05.57 | XorA | CM: no the radio controlled oe from a few years ago, ASDA were selling it for 20 quid |
| 11:06.10 | CM | Ah, cool |
| 11:06.31 | koen | I once built the http://www.brickset.com/detail.aspx?Set=8880-1 for a lazy neighbour :) |
| 11:07.10 | XorA | http://guide.lugnet.com/set/8366 |
| 11:07.35 | CM | Hehe.. It's the same type of car, just later revision :) |
| 11:08.01 | XorA | RC one is wicked, except it falls to bits far to easy :-) |
| 11:08.31 | CM | Hehe.. Cool.. Glue it maybe? ;) |
| 11:08.43 | zecke|away | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:09.13 | XorA | time for a lego theme for Neo :-) |
| 11:09.29 | CM | XorA: Hehe.. Definitely! |
| 11:10.08 | XorA | A freind just gave me most of the bits for 7735 so I am trying a resoration |
| 11:10.13 | CM | The only game that has ever made me sea sick.. Felt like vomiting after 5 minutes |
| 11:10.23 | XorA | CM: I tried lego alpha team and I could get off first screen |
| 11:10.34 | XorA | CM: I loved lego island, but it wont run on modern PC's |
| 11:11.06 | XorA | it has no protected against PC's that can render lego at 1000fps so its a touch too fast |
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| 11:11.27 | CM | Hehe.. Dosbox or something? |
| 11:12.00 | XorA | hmmm 8865 is on ebay UK |
| 11:13.14 | CM | Hehe.. It's a great car.. Nice suspension.. |
| 11:13.47 | CM | Smoothly shifting gears.. ;) |
| 11:13.55 | XorA | heh heh |
| 11:14.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Migration_to_bad_block_tolerant_builds]] [[UI_Improvements]] |
| 11:15.36 | XorA | I wont to build the RC unit into that Tractor unit they now sell, that looks awesome |
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| 11:38.59 | prom | hm. is there a way to regenerate the Package files after building an additional package? |
| 11:39.21 | koen | 'bitbake package-index' or run ipkg-make-index by hand |
| 11:39.28 | prom | thanks. |
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| 11:43.48 | dotmef | counter |
| 11:43.48 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 5 days 00:16:11 (19.011 +-14.0 days) (834,157) |
| 11:46.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03dodji * r1731 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 11:46.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Support entry removal by UID |
| 11:46.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/src/moko-journal.c,h: |
| 11:46.13 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_journal_remove_entry_by_uid): added this new entry point. |
| 11:46.13 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_journal_entry_get_uid): ditto |
| 11:46.13 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/tests/test-delete-uid.c: added |
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| 11:46.17 | CIA-16 | openmoko: this to test/debug removal by uid. |
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| 12:40.59 | prom | *sigh* these GSM pulses getting injected into my audio cable are driving me mad. |
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| 12:43.05 | Hadaka | I have a couple questions on the GSM and specifically the GPRS - first of all, does GPRS work at the moment? What happens to the GPRS if a phonecall or SMS comes in? |
| 12:44.32 | hrw | gprs works (according to wiki) |
| 12:45.32 | Hadaka | what I'd like to achieve is GPRS active at all times so the phone itself can access internet - and also allow other computers access the internet through the phone - I'm thinking GPRS always on + NAT + bluetooth PAN - but are there other options? |
| 12:45.37 | Hadaka | is someone already doing this? |
| 12:45.53 | tigert | on my nokia phone if it is in GPRS, the data goes on hold while calling |
| 12:46.00 | tigert | if I am on 3G, both work at the same time |
| 12:46.15 | tigert | dunno if this is implementation limitation or a hardware-limitation |
| 12:46.21 | Stephmw | right, this is hardware dependent |
| 12:46.24 | Hadaka | tigert: yeah, smae for me |
| 12:46.39 | tigert | ie, not sure how Neo does but I would guess its the same |
| 12:46.43 | Stephmw | newer phones shouldn't need to pause gprs |
| 12:46.58 | tigert | ok |
| 12:47.18 | Hadaka | Stephmw: any idea what the openmoko does? |
| 12:47.42 | Stephmw | Hadaka: don't have one, so all I can say is... " < hrw> gprs works (according to wiki)" |
| 12:48.00 | Stephmw | I'm holding off for P1.5 I think |
| 12:48.03 | Hadaka | nods |
| 12:48.35 | Stephmw | with this baby, I'll stick to app-layer development ;) |
| 12:48.48 | Hadaka | heh |
| 12:48.59 | Hadaka | well, I'm buying a P1 the moment they become available |
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| 12:51.56 | Hadaka | hmmh, looks like the GPRS access on the phone is quite standard - PPP over the serial line, AT commands to open GPRS - I wonder what happens to phone calls when they arrive during the GPRS "call" |
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| 12:53.26 | XorA | Hadaka: PPP stops, you get RING, you can use ATO to re-enable ppp (I beleive) |
| 12:53.42 | ewon | I'm going to be buying a new phone when I move to the US in August anyway... |
| 12:53.55 | XorA | Hadaka: I am hoping libgsm takes care of all that and just gives us a pty to do ppp on |
| 12:54.26 | Hadaka | XorA: yeah, that'd be nice |
| 12:55.43 | Hadaka | I don't care if the GPRS gets suspended when anything happens on the GSM side - but I don't want it to restart PPP too often |
| 12:55.51 | cheesy | if the release of p1 is shifted once again i think i wait the few days to get a p1,5 :) |
| 12:56.14 | Hadaka | for example, getting a different IP address after every incoming call |
| 12:58.07 | XorA | Hadaka: ah, you dont get a real IP for GPRS |
| 12:58.25 | hrw | XorA: it depends on operator |
| 12:58.51 | Hadaka | XorA: well, I might, but in general I don't like it if PPP has to be renegotiated |
| 12:59.01 | XorA | hrw: there is one that assigns real IPs? |
| 12:59.14 | Stephmw | 2 parts depend on operator... NAT address lease timeout, and NAT external connectivity |
| 12:59.27 | XorA | Hadaka: there is nothing really to negotiate |
| 12:59.29 | Stephmw | some operators allow phone<->phone IP |
| 12:59.29 | hrw | XorA: who knows... |
| 12:59.45 | Hadaka | I know of one operator atleast which gives you public IP addresses without NAT |
| 12:59.55 | XorA | Hadaka: bloody hell thats insane |
| 13:00.01 | Stephmw | the only one I know of was Orange France |
| 13:00.11 | Hadaka | XorA: there's always stuff to negotiate in PPP :) |
| 13:00.18 | Stephmw | ... 2 years ago, dunno if that's still the case |
| 13:00.20 | XorA | Hadaka: not via GPRS |
| 13:00.36 | Hadaka | XorA: it's still the same ppp daemon? |
| 13:01.12 | XorA | Hadaka: yes, but seeing as the defaults work, there isnt much negotiation, GPRS says I am doing X pppd goes OK |
| 13:01.25 | Hadaka | XorA: the public addresses were only available if you specifically asked for a "vpn" connection gprs |
| 13:01.46 | Hadaka | is compression available over GPRS? |
| 13:02.11 | prom | Hadaka: ah. so thats how they do ipsec on, for example, the nokias. never cared to ask at my provider. |
| 13:02.17 | XorA | I cant remeber from my logs |
| 13:02.29 | Hadaka | XorA: well, renegotiation atleast means bringin the interface down and up and assigning routes etc. - which I don't want the phone doing all the time |
| 13:03.01 | XorA | Hadaka: the link I dont think goes down, you have 2 minuts to answer RING and issue an ATO |
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| 13:04.07 | Hadaka | XorA: well, that was my point - as long as the ppp doesn't need to get reconnected, I'm happy |
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| 13:09.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[UI_Improvements]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Summer_of_code]] [[Wishlist:Games]] |
| 13:10.01 | koen | http://code.google.com/soc/openmoko/about.html |
| 13:10.07 | koen | zecke: congrats |
| 13:11.23 | XorA | yay, webkit is coming :-D |
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| 13:24.36 | jadams | how does one go about getting a 1973? |
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| 13:25.12 | jadams | oh nm |
| 13:25.14 | jadams | i'll join announce |
| 13:25.19 | jadams | thanks :) |
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| 13:28.34 | Sup3rkiddo | hey guys..just wondering...is there any chance of nethack on neo...would be awesome?! ;D |
| 13:28.45 | CM | koen: Would be sweet if you could have an optional backend to it.. For controlling mpd or xmms2 for example :) |
| 13:29.12 | SpeedEvil | Sup3rkiddo: Sure. |
| 13:29.14 | Sup3rkiddo | although the extensive commands would be a problem |
| 13:29.23 | SpeedEvil | It's just a case of interfacing. |
| 13:29.29 | SpeedEvil | With an external keyboard, it's trivial. |
| 13:29.52 | SpeedEvil | You can even use fullscreen at 80*25 (with it close to your eye) |
| 13:30.01 | Sup3rkiddo | LOL. |
| 13:32.31 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: I'd rather have ADOM on it ;) |
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| 13:32.39 | fish_ | re |
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| 13:33.00 | hrw | ZAngband! |
| 13:33.10 | Sup3rkiddo | CM: yeah but nethack would be classic..wouldnt it...its not that bloat as well... |
| 13:33.43 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: True.. I remember ADOM being slow to play on my 233mhx p2 |
| 13:35.09 | Sup3rkiddo | CM: if theres an onscreen keyboard, maybe we could use it for interfacing...in the bottom half..and and a scrollable terminal running nethack.. |
| 13:35.55 | XorA | Sup3rkiddo: use xstroke and some custome runes to control nethack, that would be way cooler |
| 13:35.57 | CM | I'd hope for a semi-transparent onscreen keyboard.. ;) |
| 13:36.08 | CM | XorA: Even better :) |
| 13:36.34 | Sup3rkiddo | who will bell the cat? |
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| 13:38.16 | ewon | text input on the openmoko could be interesting - a lot of people have acceptable words-per-minute using predictive text and the number pad - how responsive is the touch screen? Has anyone here used it for text input? |
| 13:39.23 | Sup3rkiddo | but why a preditive text when you could have a semi transparent on screen keyboard?.. |
| 13:42.34 | SpeedEvil | because on a 2.8" screen, even a full-screen keyboard isn't really that great. |
| 13:42.52 | SpeedEvil | Not to mention that the CPU has to do transparency. |
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| 13:44.45 | Vegar | an onscreen numpad (like most phone have) that can be used for text input with a finger might be useful in some cases |
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| 13:53.06 | Sup3rkiddo | Vegar: +1 |
| 13:55.10 | jadams | the quickstroke input method seems coolest on that site |
| 13:55.20 | jadams | err, on the wiki re: input methods |
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| 13:56.02 | jadams | they have a java demo applet: http://mrl.nyu.edu/projects/quikwriting/ |
| 13:56.17 | jadams | quikwriting, sorry |
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| 14:31.15 | CM | jadams: Heh, that was pretty cool |
| 14:31.16 | CM | Took a minute to get that you're not supposed to lift the mouse, and how to typ the 2-steps out chars |
| 14:34.02 | greghunt | it's seems like it has a bit of a learning curve |
| 14:34.11 | greghunt | but actually not too bad |
| 14:34.32 | CM | It would probably work ok even on a small touchscreen |
| 14:34.50 | greghunt | how hard is actual handwriting recognition to do |
| 14:35.14 | thomasg_ | greghunt, imho very hard. |
| 14:35.34 | CM | Not that hard, according to cworth in this channel earlier |
| 14:35.47 | thomasg_ | if it would be easy or not too hard, there already would be handwriting recognition |
| 14:35.56 | CM | He had written one for X a long time ago, quite basic, but functional |
| 14:35.57 | greghunt | for the mainstream user, something intuitive like handwriting would be a good default |
| 14:36.55 | xkr47 | counter |
| 14:36.55 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 4 days 21:23:04 (18.891 +-14.0 days) (835,157) |
| 14:37.10 | CM | greghunt: http://cworth.org/~cworth/papers/xstroke/html/ |
| 14:38.58 | greghunt | that looks cool, and easy to understand |
| 14:39.34 | greghunt | i always wondered how it worked, i had visions of fancy algorithms and things :) |
| 14:39.40 | thomasg_ | CM: like you can see in the headline: xstroke is gesture recognition, not handwriting recognition. it only knows specified gestures and can use that for recognize letter-like gestures. |
| 14:41.10 | greghunt | it's a good start, and looks similar to the system used on the p900 |
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| 14:46.53 | CM | thomasg_: True.. cworth said he thought it was a bit naive and simple, but quick and working |
| 14:47.32 | CM | Good paper, I had no clue how that worked before |
| 14:47.38 | thomasg_ | yes, working, but imho not the best |
| 14:48.51 | CM | I'm afraid it has to be very simple to not be sluggish on the neo |
| 14:48.58 | CM | It's not a fast cpu |
| 14:49.15 | ewon | never underestimate the speed of two thumbs. |
| 14:51.19 | ewon | I can touch-text at speed with my thumbs on my 6230i |
| 14:51.31 | ewon | if the screen is sensitive enough I could do the same |
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| 15:03.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[UI_Improvements]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Wishlist:Mesh_Networking]] [[GPS_Navigation]] |
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| 15:09.13 | PBeck | re |
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| 15:21.35 | zecke | Dodji: now I know who you are. Fix libcroco! :) |
| 15:22.15 | Dodji | hmmh ? :-) |
| 15:22.38 | Dodji | zecke, It has been a long time since I touched that one, granted :-) |
| 15:22.55 | zecke | Dodji: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342370 |
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| 15:23.49 | Dodji | zecke, bloody internet |
| 15:24.00 | Dodji | zecke, there was once peace and then the internet came in :-) |
| 15:24.09 | zecke | hehe |
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| 15:25.37 | noidd | I remember when you could get a full usenet feed down a 14.4k modem |
| 15:25.40 | koen | I wondered why that bug looked familiar |
| 15:26.02 | noidd | damn, I remember when I had a full usenet feed to my house ;-P |
| 15:26.07 | hrw | and new tagline into sig generator.. |
| 15:26.11 | noidd | usenet expanded faster than modem technology |
| 15:26.13 | noidd | slightly |
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| 15:33.08 | nnpiggy | noid, for years a full news feed was about 4 hours of a bleeding-edge modem--at least for four generations of modems... |
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| 15:41.49 | Dan_E | Is there anyone involved with Google Summer of Code here? |
| 15:41.49 | aloril | Dan_E: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 16:04.25 | empty_mind | do we have a profiler for openembedded |
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| 16:10.06 | MacNorth | howdy folks |
| 16:10.36 | empty_mind | MacNorth, howdy |
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| 16:14.20 | empty_mind | anyidea why i get this message http://pastebin.ca/436549. Message comes while building flash image for qemu-neo1973 |
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| 16:14.54 | MacNorth | heh... 'splash' is not a number |
| 16:15.00 | MacNorth | no kidding :-P |
| 16:16.13 | empty_mind | MacNorth, i get same error for kernel and rootfs too, in later stage |
| 16:16.45 | RbdPngn | empty_mind: using the flash.sh script? |
| 16:16.46 | aloril | RbdPngn: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 16:17.14 | empty_mind | RbdPngn, yes |
| 16:17.28 | MacNorth | i did a successful build a few days ago, and the console output is still lying around: http://pastebin.ca/436554 |
| 16:18.17 | RbdPngn | empty_mind: I had some issues with that script because it was killing it's flashing processes before they were done |
| 16:18.46 | empty_mind | RbdPngn, so how did you fix it ? |
| 16:19.02 | RbdPngn | empty_mind: worked fine after I went into the flash.sh script and changed the timeout passed to the sleep calls |
| 16:19.21 | empty_mind | ok, let me try |
| 16:19.28 | RbdPngn | not at the system atm, but its a param passed to one of the functions |
| 16:20.37 | empty_mind | RbdPngn, the call in flash.sh happens to be a sleep |
| 16:21.49 | RbdPngn | it's a function that calls sleep |
| 16:22.00 | empty_mind | RbdPngn, yes |
| 16:22.56 | RbdPngn | ah, the function is called uboot |
| 16:24.06 | RbdPngn | in the script you should see a line like: uboot $uboot_image 40 |
| 16:24.07 | RbdPngn | change the 40 to a larger number like 60 or 80 |
| 16:24.07 | RbdPngn | may want to increase the other uboot lines slightly too |
| 16:24.07 | RbdPngn | then try again |
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| 16:50.40 | ninHer | hi all |
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| 16:58.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch]] |
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| 17:07.01 | empty_mind | is qemu-neo1973 slower than real phone ? |
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| 17:09.00 | hrw | empty_mind: depends on machine which will run that qemu |
| 17:09.30 | empty_mind | hrw, i am running it on a 2ghz intel processor with 1.5Gb of ram |
| 17:09.59 | empty_mind | hrw, i dont notice any significant problems while running windows under qemu |
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| 17:10.49 | bedboi | hi there. |
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| 17:12.26 | empty_mind | hrw, since you are the oe expert, i think you can help me in seting up a profiler for OM |
| 17:12.42 | empty_mind | hrw, any idea how do i profile code for oe or OM |
| 17:13.33 | LarstiQ | empty_mind: windows on arm? |
| 17:14.10 | empty_mind | LarstiQ, nope, windows installed under qemu |
| 17:14.39 | empty_mind | LarstiQ, it is documentted on qemu wiki as windows on linux host |
| 17:14.42 | LarstiQ | empty_mind: if qemu-neo1973 is arm, you're emulating a different processor architecture.. |
| 17:15.22 | empty_mind | LarstiQ, i dont understand your question, isnt this qemu-system-arm supposed to do ? |
| 17:16.33 | filippo | empty_mind: yes but qemu-system-arm need to emulate processor = low speed |
| 17:16.48 | empty_mind | hmm |
| 17:17.34 | empty_mind | so how do i evaluate the performance of my code, provided i dont have the phone yet |
| 17:17.37 | LarstiQ | whereas windows runs on the same hardware as your host |
| 17:18.00 | hrw | empty_mind: x86 qemu is faster then arm as you can use kqemu |
| 17:18.15 | hrw | empty_mind: use profilers? |
| 17:18.21 | LarstiQ | empty_mind: you could profile it and see where the bottlenecks are, and eliminate those |
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| 17:18.29 | koen | no need for emulation |
| 17:18.36 | karman12 | hola |
| 17:18.57 | empty_mind | hrw, point is will profiler give me corect results under qemu, specially time consumed in a function |
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| 17:19.05 | empty_mind | koen, then ? |
| 17:19.18 | hrw | empty_mind: run application on host |
| 17:20.00 | LarstiQ | empty_mind: wether you run that under qemu or not should not be really relevant |
| 17:20.12 | robtaylor | empty_mind: only running on the actual hardware will give you real results |
| 17:20.24 | empty_mind | hmm |
| 17:20.36 | empty_mind | that means wait for 3 months |
| 17:20.44 | LarstiQ | empty_mind: it is possible there are extra snags of course, but getting rid of slow parts in general also helps the specific case |
| 17:20.44 | filippo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Openmoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo |
| 17:21.01 | SpeedEvil | It's possible to ask people with P0 hardware to run stuff for you. |
| 17:21.06 | SpeedEvil | If it's easily benchmarkable. |
| 17:21.19 | koen | or just profile on your workstation |
| 17:21.25 | koen | no need for emulation |
| 17:21.36 | koen | isn't re-using standard software great? |
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| 17:21.43 | empty_mind | filippo, xoo creates this big window which is bigger than my screen |
| 17:21.59 | empty_mind | koen, it is |
| 17:22.00 | filippo | modify the xml file |
| 17:22.08 | SpeedEvil | profile on workstation, with FPU, and huge on-chip caches can be _horribly_ misleading. |
| 17:22.14 | empty_mind | filippo, tried it, just crops the image thats it |
| 17:22.14 | filippo | set margin to 0,0 |
| 17:22.46 | empty_mind | filippo, ok |
| 17:22.47 | filippo | you have to modify the starting point |
| 17:23.57 | empty_mind | one reason for trying profiling was that LaF0rge said in meeting at blore that gtk+ is not performing upto speed. So wanted to check if this is an issue with gtk+ or my code |
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| 17:25.11 | koen | you mean the 2 year old copy of gtk+ openmoko uses? |
| 17:25.21 | empty_mind | koen, really ? |
| 17:25.28 | atla | is that true? |
| 17:26.22 | koen | gtk 2.6 is from 2005, do the math |
| 17:26.30 | koen | (hint, it's 2007 now) |
| 17:26.48 | empty_mind | koen, i did not check gtk+ version |
| 17:27.06 | empty_mind | koen, but why was such an old copy selected ? |
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| 17:29.15 | empty_mind | koen, how can i compile an openmoko with latest gtk+ copy ? |
| 17:32.39 | LarstiQ | hi dilinger_ |
| 17:33.17 | empty_mind | openmoko.inc says this PREFERRED_VERSION_gtk+ = "2.6.10" |
| 17:33.38 | empty_mind | koen, isnt 2.6.10 the latest gtk+ copy ? |
| 17:36.43 | LarstiQ | empty_mind: no, 2.10.11 was released march the 14th |
| 17:38.29 | empty_mind | LarstiQ, dont know my openembedded dir has upto 2.10.9 bb receipe |
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| 17:50.32 | kiney | counter |
| 17:50.32 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 4 days 18:09:27 (18.757 +-14.0 days) (836,157) |
| 17:51.02 | bedboi | counter rises instead of decreasing |
| 17:51.03 | bedboi | :) |
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| 18:15.41 | robtaylor | wg 29 |
| 18:17.32 | init_alx | lol |
| 18:17.39 | init_alx | +- 14 days |
| 18:17.40 | init_alx | XD |
| 18:17.49 | init_alx | that's a pretty big variance for 18 days |
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| 18:26.09 | LetoTo | hmm, guess I should submit a xoo package for fedora |
| 18:26.48 | robtaylor | koen: lol :) |
| 18:26.54 | robtaylor | koen: how's it going |
| 18:26.58 | robtaylor | ? |
| 18:27.29 | robtaylor | nng, i really need to replace this keyboard now.. now '?/' has got sticky... |
| 18:28.08 | LetoTo | configure: error: *** XTEST extension libs not found and required *** |
| 18:28.15 | LetoTo | anyone knows what provides those? |
| 18:28.21 | koen | robtaylor: pretty good |
| 18:28.32 | koen | robtaylor: how life across the pond? |
| 18:28.51 | koen | how's* |
| 18:29.15 | LetoTo | ah xtestlib |
| 18:29.44 | robtaylor | koen: not too bad. I've been getting more excited about task-based desktopns and High5 in general |
| 18:30.27 | robtaylor | koen: so I've actually got some impetus to finsally sort out dbus-glib |
| 18:30.55 | robtaylor | koen: then i'm gonna write a task-switcher applet :) |
| 18:32.25 | robtaylor | koen: heh, yeah i've been trying to replace my copy of foley+van dam so i can code up a decent scaling algo for that |
| 18:32.54 | robtaylor | that reminds me, i'll go on amazon and do that now |
| 18:34.15 | koen | robtaylor: getting ready for ELC? |
| 18:37.12 | robtaylor | koen: yeah :) |
| 18:37.37 | robtaylor | koen: i'm gonna stay on for a few more days after to hack on High5 aas well :) |
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| 18:39.18 | koen | 'Soylent gnome is people"? |
| 18:39.29 | robtaylor | koen: indeed |
| 18:40.01 | robtaylor | koen: http://live.gnome.org/High5/Soylent |
| 18:40.23 | koen | Lela: "No, that's soylent cola" Fry: "how does it taste?" Lela: "Varies from person to person" |
| 18:43.26 | robtaylor | heh |
| 18:43.51 | LetoTo | Wrote: /usr/src/redhat/SRPMS/xoo-0.7-1.src.rpm |
| 18:43.56 | LetoTo | ok submitting to fedora :) |
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| 18:54.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:FAQ]] [[Wish_List]] [[Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch]] |
| 18:55.31 | quitte_ | hi. is there any chance the p2 will support umts? |
| 18:56.11 | guaqua | no-one knows |
| 18:56.17 | guaqua | err |
| 18:56.19 | mjr | quitte, doesn't seem likely; edge maybe |
| 18:56.20 | guaqua | p2 no |
| 18:56.27 | roh | quitte nope. p2 will eventually get edge |
| 18:56.40 | mjr | further devices will probably include umts-capable ones |
| 18:56.41 | hrw|gone | cu |
| 18:56.43 | guaqua | the next neo might. probably not |
| 18:56.56 | guaqua | cya, hrw|gone |
| 18:57.00 | quitte | :( yes i figured. too bad. getting umts here is easy. |
| 18:59.59 | quitte | if at least there were providers here that had a discount for not using umts. but afaict that is not the case. |
| 19:00.40 | guaqua | well it's the same for me |
| 19:01.13 | guaqua | unlimited data plan for 10 euros/month, no difference in the price if i use gprs, edge or umts |
| 19:01.35 | quitte | with the slight difference that edge is available to you |
| 19:02.02 | guaqua | so in that light i'd appreciate umts. the fact just is that i'm okay with gprs too. when i need more bandwidth, i'm probably in the reach of wlan anyway, so :/ |
| 19:02.41 | guaqua | i've never used edge... |
| 19:05.05 | quitte | what'S the reasoning behind this? i guess there are no umts chipsets that can be used with at commands? |
| 19:05.14 | SpeedEvil | budget, power, size, ... |
| 19:06.04 | quitte | i see. well umts would drastically decrease how much i want wlan |
| 19:06.31 | quitte | in any case i want to spend the 350$ rather today than tomorrow |
| 19:06.42 | dho | counter |
| 19:06.43 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 4 days 16:53:17 (18.704 +-14.0 days) (837,157) |
| 19:06.50 | dho | It'll be a bit after tomorrow ;) |
| 19:07.07 | SpeedEvil | UTMS generally has terrible latency. |
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| 19:07.15 | guaqua | i'm thinking the current state of umts chips is the reason |
| 19:07.29 | SpeedEvil | It must be for technical reasons, it couldn't be because they want to discourage VOIP :) |
| 19:07.32 | guaqua | so for power consumption and compatibility |
| 19:07.45 | guaqua | technical reasons, definitelty |
| 19:07.53 | SpeedEvil | Cost is a big reason. |
| 19:08.14 | guaqua | that too |
| 19:09.26 | quitte | once the phone is vailable with sponsored contracts that shouldn'T be that much of an issue anymore. 350$ seems rather cheap for a phone that is not sponsored |
| 19:09.44 | SpeedEvil | It is - though it's hard to get a 100% compare. |
| 19:10.00 | SpeedEvil | As almost all the phones at a comparablish price point have wifi or cam. |
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| 19:11.05 | quitte | i don't understand why everybody pretends to need a cam anyways. the quality in a phone always will be poor because there is no space for decent optics |
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| 19:11.13 | SpeedEvil | Personally. |
| 19:11.24 | SpeedEvil | I don't use a camera for taking pictures to show people. |
| 19:11.51 | SpeedEvil | I use a camera for taking pictures of stuff I would otherwise need to write down. |
| 19:12.25 | SpeedEvil | For example, labels in shops, to remember prices, for later comparison with other shops, or online. |
| 19:12.43 | SpeedEvil | Or discussion when at home 'what do you think of a foo like this' ... |
| 19:12.56 | dho | I pity tha foo |
| 19:13.04 | quitte | hmm. with a piece of ocr software to read barcode labels this might actually be useful |
| 19:13.10 | SpeedEvil | That too. |
| 19:13.31 | SpeedEvil | If you can read barcode labels, then you can take barcodes as you throw stuff away. |
| 19:13.40 | SpeedEvil | and autogenerate shopping lists. |
| 19:13.48 | dho | who would actually ever do that |
| 19:14.29 | SpeedEvil | REally handy for the blind. |
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| 19:14.35 | quitte | i would. i'm looking at the very same products and compare the very same prices every time i go shopping and the next day i miss essential food |
| 19:14.47 | dho | How does a blind person find a barcode? :\ |
| 19:14.59 | SpeedEvil | It's basically an additional memory for those with poor memory. |
| 19:15.01 | quitte | how does he use a phone without butons? |
| 19:15.06 | dho | that too, quitte |
| 19:15.21 | SpeedEvil | I'm just saying that it's an app that has been used by blind people. |
| 19:15.30 | SpeedEvil | And you wiggle the object around till it beeps. |
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| 19:16.10 | SpeedEvil | Though I'd really like other commonality - a diamond coated glass touchscreen - as they use in till scanner windows - with SAW to read it. |
| 19:18.09 | quitte | hmm. yes. while it should be a very reasonable mp3 player it'd defiantely break when i used it while bmxing. but that should be solvable by some bluetooth headset |
| 19:23.17 | dho | 2 |
| 19:23.59 | LarstiQ | dho: food, now I know what I'm missing. And ofcourse all the shops have almost closed :/ |
| 19:24.05 | dho | heh! |
| 19:24.06 | dho | run! |
| 19:24.18 | LarstiQ | I'll just drink more water ;) |
| 19:30.00 | noidd | d |
| 19:30.02 | noidd | a |
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| 20:51.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Talk:FAQ]] |
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| 21:19.44 | quitte | omg. bluetooth barcode scanners are damn expensive |
| 21:21.07 | parag0n | get a serial one and chuck in a bluetooth - serial adaptor |
| 21:22.03 | quitte | i hoped mentioning it here might leadt the inclusion of a led+fotosensor in p2 ;) |
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| 21:29.00 | mmp | quitte: one camera would help too:) |
| 21:29.18 | Elrond | Anyone seen luitvd? |
| 21:30.11 | Elrond | quitte - I think, p2 is quite fixed by now. Some rumours are out, that there are other designs in the making. |
| 21:30.33 | Elrond | (I already pondered the moko washing machine. ;o) ) |
| 21:30.37 | Rince | ;) |
| 21:30.42 | Rince | Elrond: coffee machine! |
| 21:31.04 | Elrond | Rince - No. Only washing machine. The gps is used for rotating sensoring. ;) |
| 21:31.12 | Rince | (combined with the Jura coffee machine :) |
| 21:31.21 | SpeedEvil | A barcode scanner and a low-end camera are actually ballpark in price. |
| 21:31.22 | Rince | *g* |
| 21:31.30 | Rince | SpeedEvil: why the camera? |
| 21:31.42 | Elrond | ... and the gsm to call your moko phone, when the laundry is done. ;) |
| 21:31.44 | SpeedEvil | I was just using it as a comparison. |
| 21:31.47 | Rince | I'd accept the barcode scanner but I don't see the need for a camera - on the contrary |
| 21:32.01 | SpeedEvil | A camera can do barcode scanner duty. |
| 21:32.07 | SpeedEvil | And is probably around the same price. |
| 21:32.31 | Rince | okay, a camera can do OCR for business cards (like the SE p990 does) |
| 21:33.00 | SpeedEvil | Cameras arn't only for taking pictures to exhibit. |
| 21:33.13 | SpeedEvil | they are also for any situation where a visual record would be handy. |
| 21:34.01 | SpeedEvil | From 'what price was that granite worktop I looked at last week' to 'has that crack opened in the last 6 months'. |
| 21:34.47 | Elrond | 'who rebooted my phone' ;-) |
| 21:35.07 | mmp | SpeedEvil: yes, not mentioning the fact that including camera can also be quite motivating for every geek playing with image recognition:) |
| 21:35.15 | SpeedEvil | that too. |
| 21:35.57 | Rince | but then cameras in both sides for videophone and umts of course *run and hide* |
| 21:36.27 | mmp | Rince: actually, little mirror could solve this problem:) |
| 21:36.30 | Jeroen | and wifi! don't forget wifi! |
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| 21:37.11 | guaqua | both sides? :F |
| 21:37.53 | guaqua | well yeah :) |
| 21:37.54 | Jeroen | actually, I would already be happy if I could replace my current phone, because my battery is almost dead by now |
| 21:38.03 | SpeedEvil | Ebay. |
| 21:38.04 | guaqua | if you have to see when you are taking a picture :) |
| 21:38.27 | Rince | I want to have something with a proper addressbook. and I seem to have to wait until september ;) |
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| 21:42.04 | guaqua | btw, is footer the "task manager" app? |
| 21:42.10 | guaqua | or is there something else planned for that? |
| 21:42.20 | MetaBookfoziS | counter |
| 21:42.20 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 4 days 14:17:40 (18.596 +-14.0 days) (838,157) |
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| 21:42.48 | guaqua | i had the chance to try out an ipaq for a few days and found out i was using it the most of all apps |
| 21:43.20 | guaqua | ...and also noticed how horrificly slow it was |
| 21:44.24 | SpeedEvil | Something palm generally got right. |
| 21:45.12 | guaqua | palm got plenty of things right |
| 21:45.37 | Elrond | The adressbook, or what? |
| 21:45.50 | Rince | yes and synchronisation |
| 21:46.06 | guaqua | i think most of the functionality worked okay |
| 21:46.26 | Elrond | tihi. I don't have an adressbook really anywhere in any syncable form. ;-) |
| 21:46.34 | guaqua | neither do i |
| 21:46.42 | Elrond | less +/Name adresses.txt |
| 21:46.43 | Elrond | ;o) |
| 21:46.54 | guaqua | phone numbers probably in my phone, but it's a mess |
| 21:47.08 | guaqua | a backup _would_ be nice |
| 21:47.21 | Elrond | guaqua - Oh, yeah. I have abused the first two chars for categorising. ;) |
| 21:47.40 | Elrond | guaqua - backup of the neo is simple. boot into u-boot and backup the rootfs via dfu. ;o) |
| 21:47.57 | guaqua | Elrond: yeah :) |
| 21:48.22 | Elrond | alternatively install rsync. ;-) |
| 21:48.24 | MetaBookfoziS | what about vcard?:) |
| 21:48.35 | guaqua | but tapping the backup-button and automatically launching a wizard that asks if you wanna use which backup medium would be nicer :) |
| 21:49.01 | guaqua | computer, usb disk, network disk |
| 21:49.02 | guaqua | :) |
| 21:49.19 | Elrond | guaqua - Oh, you mean backing up to the san-over-iscsi-over-gprs? |
| 21:49.21 | Elrond | ;o) |
| 21:49.25 | aloril | (script) planet: Michael "mickeyl" Lauer: Google SoC 2007 http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/04/12/google-soc-2007/ |
| 21:49.32 | stefan_schmidt | http://www.pimlico-project.org/ |
| 21:50.16 | guaqua | san-over-iscsi-over-ssh-over-pppoe-over-vpn-over-gprs |
| 21:50.34 | MetaBookfoziS | :)) |
| 21:50.53 | Rince | Elrond: why not? |
| 21:51.03 | guaqua | hmm |
| 21:51.07 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1732 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/examples/ (5 files in 3 dirs): examples: add openmoko-gsmd-demo |
| 21:51.11 | guaqua | i wonder if pppoe actually works over vpn |
| 21:51.23 | guaqua | or if it needs pppoe-relay |
| 21:52.10 | MetaBookfoziS | how much volt moko's accumulator have? |
| 21:52.23 | SpeedEvil | it's a lithium-ion battery. |
| 21:52.25 | MetaBookfoziS | i don't know how that said in english well |
| 21:52.29 | SpeedEvil | So 3.7V nominal. |
| 21:52.33 | nibbler_de | guaqua: what use-case is there for pppoe over vpn? over what sort of vpn? over mpls l2vpn it should work but i don't think that you had that in mind ;) |
| 21:52.34 | MetaBookfoziS | but how many volt ithave? 3.6? |
| 21:52.36 | SpeedEvil | 3.0-4.2V |
| 21:52.37 | MetaBookfoziS | oh yes. |
| 21:53.11 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1733 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/ (8 files in 3 dirs): openmoko-libs: add skeleton for MokoGsmdConnection class |
| 21:53.33 | zecke | mickey|zzZZzz: ping :) |
| 21:54.04 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Congrats for GSoC. Give use a great browser. :) |
| 21:54.05 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1734 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/libmokoui/libmokoui.pro: libmokoui: add missing files to .pro build infrastructure |
| 21:54.06 | guaqua | nibbler_de: mmmmmm....let's not go there :D |
| 21:54.20 | guaqua | yay, zecke, congrats |
| 21:54.51 | guaqua | i'd also like to know more about that bluetooth-related project |
| 21:54.55 | mickey|zzZZzz | zecke: just on the way to bed... |
| 21:55.06 | Elrond | guaqua - Most VPNs do IP, not ethernet. tinc is one that can do ethernet. |
| 21:55.33 | guaqua | as in is support for sending files from and to other phones going to be implemented in it |
| 21:55.39 | zecke | mickey|zzZZzz: well, I will catch you tomorrow |
| 21:55.46 | mickey|zzZZzz | zecke: for sure. thanks. g'night |
| 21:55.49 | zecke | have a nice sleep |
| 21:56.06 | mickey|zzZZzz | you too. :) |
| 21:56.07 | Rince | lovely ;) |
| 21:56.09 | guaqua | Elrond: vpn is one thing i'd actually want from my phone, but the others..... :) |
| 21:56.23 | Rince | quitte: you want cryptophone-next generation? ;) |
| 21:56.34 | guaqua | although how would coda fs work etc? |
| 21:57.15 | Elrond | Hey... long time I hear again of coda. |
| 21:57.26 | Rince | sorry, not quette, guaqua ;) |
| 21:57.33 | Elrond | guaqua - Are you using coda for anything real? |
| 21:57.58 | guaqua | Elrond: nope |
| 21:58.05 | guaqua | but this might be an actual use case |
| 21:58.23 | guaqua | Rince: using vpn for all connections when you are in an insecure wlan would be nice :/ |
| 21:58.56 | Rince | guaqua: of course! |
| 22:01.18 | Elrond | guaqua - I was looking for a nice networked fs (for online mostly). The inly one I liked was the pay-for-it ibm thingy. coda and openafs were the next candidates... |
| 22:02.22 | guaqua | i'll have to take a look at how sshfs and fish-kioslave work |
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| 22:02.49 | Elrond | sshfs works nicely, to my surprise. |
| 22:03.17 | guaqua | meaning not "how well", but rather "which way" |
| 22:03.18 | Elrond | I did "apt-get install sshfs" put myself in the fuse group, and it just worked. I was quite surprised. |
| 22:03.34 | guaqua | fish-kioslave works like a charm too |
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| 22:04.50 | guaqua | sshfs seems to use sftp-protocol |
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| 22:05.05 | Elrond | Yep. |
| 22:05.18 | guaqua | so coda would be a better solution |
| 22:05.40 | guaqua | unless you are either using very small files or just need to transfer files |
| 22:06.14 | guaqua | basically i was thinking of playing music from home computer or sync music collection from home computer |
| 22:06.30 | guaqua | gprs isn't enough for streaming though |
| 22:07.10 | SpeedEvil | It'll do high quality 32kbps audio! |
| 22:07.36 | guaqua | :) |
| 22:07.39 | guaqua | WMA |
| 22:09.55 | guaqua | off to sleep, cyas |
| 22:10.05 | Elrond | Huh. |
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| 22:50.11 | dho | balrog-kun: pingggg |
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| 23:33.57 | kiney | counter |
| 23:33.58 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 4 days 12:26:01 (18.518 +-14.0 days) (839,157) |
| 23:34.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zecke * r1735 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/src/ (callbacks.c main.c): |
| 23:34.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: openmoko-rssreader: Implement as-you-type filtering on RSS articles |
| 23:34.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Use the search bar to filter items on the fly. Fix the refcounting |
| 23:34.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: when using _get of the GtkTreeModel. |
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| 23:56.46 | rwhitby | morning |
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