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| 00:01.28 | CIA-16 | openmoko: MokoTreeView: fix problem layed out in last commit log. |
| 00:01.28 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Remaining issue: make the MokoTreeView only to allocate its size based on a grid, i.e. a whole-number factor of the row height |
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| 00:14.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Input_Method]] [[Wishlist:Determine_Position]] |
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| 00:40.21 | paulproteus | Oh, the commit log is such a tease. |
| 00:44.33 | aevin | tease? why's that? |
| 00:54.34 | cbaird | (script) wiki RecentChanges: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=OpenMoko_Playboy_Promotion ... :) |
| 00:54.50 | cbaird | d'oh, that didn't appear as I wanted. :/ |
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| 01:02.11 | behdad | playboy promotion? :-D |
| 01:13.29 | rwhitby | filippo: fixing now |
| 01:13.55 | filippo | thanks |
| 01:14.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r90 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ (series sysvinit-inittab-duplicated-lines.patch): Remove sysvinit patch - applied upstream. |
| 01:14.14 | rwhitby | mickey applied the patch earlier this morning. |
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| 01:16.35 | filippo | where I can find documentation about quilt ? |
| 01:17.51 | filippo | I find a pdf |
| 01:25.38 | paulproteus | aevin, 'Cause, you know, I want the phone! |
| 01:25.41 | paulproteus | And every commit reminds me! |
| 01:39.32 | filippo | *** No rule to make target `moko-search-bar.lo', needed by `libmokoui.la'. Stop. |
| 01:40.34 | filippo | good night I restar the make and tomorrow post detailed error |
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| 04:49.03 | cbaird | It's now been ~48 hours since I started MokoMakefile on the 800MHz MinITX VIA box... |
| 04:50.07 | cbaird | Advice to Others: use a faster machine if you can. :) |
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| 05:05.57 | paulproteus | cbaird, Hah! (-: |
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| 05:09.22 | doc|home | can someone explain the logic of having a stylus but no holder for it? :) Is the mass market version going to be the same design? |
| 05:18.39 | cbaird | 'devirginator'? Should it be 'revirginator'....? |
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| 05:21.26 | rwhitby | cbaird: only if it left it blank? |
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| 05:47.11 | billl_ | counter |
| 05:47.11 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 6 days 06:12:48 (20.259 +-14.0 days) (819,157) |
| 05:47.49 | doc|home | anyone got any idea? |
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| 05:48.42 | CM | doc|home: My first guess would be that they want to make money selling you a stylus subscription ;) |
| 05:48.49 | doc|home | hehe |
| 05:48.57 | doc|home | and the general design? |
| 05:49.16 | CM | Actually, I don't know why they have it like that |
| 05:49.20 | doc|home | I've seen nicer looking phones :/ |
| 05:49.38 | CM | I'm guessing they want it to be used with the fingers mostly |
| 05:49.59 | CM | I think the design is ok. It's definitely different. :) |
| 05:50.16 | doc|home | wouldn't be my favourite :/ |
| 05:50.33 | CM | Would have been nice with a small joystick and another button or two |
| 05:50.43 | cbaird | It wouldn't be a good fit in a shirt pocket, where I usually keep my Palm.. |
| 05:50.47 | doc|home | It's the general shape I'm not too fond of |
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| 05:52.56 | cbaird | The "antigrav hoverboard for mice" design.. |
| 05:56.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Footer]] [[Media_Player]] [[Toolbar]] |
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| 06:39.02 | greentux | counter |
| 06:39.02 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 6 days 05:20:57 (20.223 +-14.0 days) (820,157) |
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| 06:59.51 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:24.43 | Rakshasa | Morgen alle. |
| 07:24.57 | kmeyer | goedenavond |
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| 07:38.19 | hrw | morning |
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| 07:52.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FAQ]] [[Calendar]] [[Neo1973_Power_Management]] [[History]] [[Footer]] [[Media_Player]] [[Toolbar]] [[Web_Address_Field]] |
| 07:55.03 | CM | Lots of wiki changes again :) |
| 07:57.18 | CM | Hmm.. Mostly reverting sabotage :( |
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| 08:06.01 | rmz | yo |
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| 08:29.59 | rmz | anyone know where I can buy a few openmoko phones? |
| 08:30.13 | rmz | (I´m a research scientist working for Telenor (a telco)) |
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| 08:47.31 | CM | rmz: You can't yet |
| 08:47.33 | CM | counter |
| 08:47.34 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 6 days 03:12:25 (20.134 +-14.0 days) (821,157) |
| 08:47.42 | CM | faq? |
| 08:47.42 | aloril | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ |
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| 08:53.24 | rmz | hehe, second question in the FAQ. Thanks ;) |
| 08:55.08 | CM | Inga problem ;) |
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| 09:14.23 | _m0 | hi @all |
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| 09:17.07 | CM | Morning :) |
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| 09:24.35 | Stephmw | heya |
| 09:25.05 | cheesy | heyo |
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| 09:27.24 | CM | QUOTE: Even the NSA want us to merge the gconf-dbus branch! http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/04/11/spooks-dig-gconf/ |
| 09:27.40 | Stephmw | lol |
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| 09:45.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Massi]] [[Translation]] [[Main_Page/it]] [[Calendar]] |
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| 10:07.59 | rwhitby | hmm - the power and aux buttons have some functions now |
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| 11:40.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FOSDEM_2007]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Screen_Saver]] |
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| 12:32.34 | cbaird | Not what I wanted to see at the 54 hour point: "OpenMoko is now using a frozen OE version which doesn't match your OE checkout ..." |
| 12:35.44 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.26 | CM | roh: He's compiling on a via 800Mhz ;) |
| 12:36.47 | cbaird | It's the only (disk-space-)spare Debian machine in the house.. |
| 12:37.10 | CM | cbaird: What about doing like rwhitby and use vmware? |
| 12:37.54 | cbaird | vmware * netbsd = 0 |
| 12:38.22 | Stephmw | hmmm... qemu? |
| 12:38.23 | cbaird | (or at least, the 'player' client as yet) |
| 12:38.27 | CM | Xen? |
| 12:38.52 | cbaird | "dumping NetBSD?" :) |
| 12:39.02 | Ganneff | sure |
| 12:39.15 | CM | Btw, I tried netbsd in vmware, and both times it froze my whole computer.. Had to do a hard reset. |
| 12:41.17 | cbaird | The miniitx machine's been useful in the past-- it's a low power machine that gets left on 24/7, so one-off 'overnight compiles' aren't a problem (it's also got a OpenWRT whiterussian dev.) |
| 12:42.06 | CM | Time for a new machine then maybe? :) |
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| 12:42.56 | cbaird | I've even had it cross-compile a whole NetBSD install when I 'kinda borked' the upgrade to AMD64 on the 'desktop' machine. |
| 12:43.08 | roh | cbaird heh.. i use a core duo 2ghz notebook and thought 6 hours compile is long |
| 12:44.59 | cbaird | Gather 'round and listen to my stories of the days when I ran a Public Access Unix System of a 3.5MB SCO Xenix box back in 1990... The times I'd spend staying up late after everyone else was logged-off, just so I could use Emacs 18... :) |
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| 12:47.15 | cbaird | counter |
| 12:47.15 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 5 days 23:12:44 (19.967 +-14.0 days) (822,158) |
| 12:47.39 | cbaird | Okay-- so I have 19.967 +-14.0 days for the build to finish now. :) |
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| 12:50.27 | rboehme | counter |
| 12:50.27 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 5 days 23:09:43 (19.965 +-14.0 days) (823,158) |
| 12:52.15 | rboehme | does anyone know if P1.5/2 date has slipped by the same scale that P1 has so far? IE P1.5 around Sep, P2 around Dec? |
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| 12:55.23 | CM | rboehme: Haven't heard anything about a slip for p2 at least |
| 12:56.05 | CM | The latest news is that we'll get more information about p1.5 as soon as p1 is starting |
| 12:56.55 | rboehme | ah, ok. Hopefully it won't put me in a pickle as to if I need to wait for 1.5 :) |
| 12:57.23 | cbaird | "As long as it happens before people start going bankrupt.." -_- |
| 12:57.27 | CM | I really wonder about the wifi.. |
| 12:57.49 | SpeedEvil | FIC can't go bankrupt over this. |
| 12:57.51 | CM | Also, I'd like to hear more abour the rumor that p1 ppl will get a discount on p2 |
| 12:57.57 | SpeedEvil | It's a very, very small portion. |
| 12:58.09 | SpeedEvil | CM: look on the Neo1973 page on the wiki |
| 12:58.19 | SpeedEvil | there is a link to the mailing list post. |
| 12:59.53 | CM | Yes.. "But don't worry about being an early |
| 12:59.53 | CM | adopter. If we come out with something cool we'll make sure you guys can |
| 12:59.57 | CM | get it at a discount if you already have a developers version." - Sean |
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| 13:08.08 | buz | fic better delivers the neo than killing the project. no self respecting geek would otherwise buy from them, ever again |
| 13:08.54 | drath | heh, i'm sure "self respecting geeks" are the #1 target group for every consumer device manufacturer ;) |
| 13:09.25 | buz | well they do manufacture a lot of mainboards tec |
| 13:09.42 | buz | besides, having a bad image with geeks can end up having a lot of bad recommendations |
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| 13:11.30 | cbaird | f00fc8c9 ... |
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| 13:13.35 | cbaird | Although, most Economists will tell you that the /real/ money to be made in the world is to have something you can flob off to companies that'll promise a 5-10% decrease in business costs. |
| 13:14.05 | buz | most economist dont know jack about making money (and i am an economist) |
| 13:14.11 | buz | (soon enough, anyway) |
| 13:15.31 | buz | if they really knew about making money, they'd be entrepreneurs ;) |
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| 13:22.53 | cbaird | I was thinking of Larry Smith's "Computing's Next Great Empires" talk. |
| 13:23.21 | cbrake | what happened to: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_OpenOCD? |
| 13:23.38 | cbrake | it has a bunch of stuff about GPS!! |
| 13:24.28 | drath | (cur) (last) 18:22, 6 April 2007 Dr kludge (Changed neo1973 to the category page.) |
| 13:26.02 | cbrake | looks like the Hardware:AGPS page got pasted into the New1973_OpenOCD page. |
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| 13:26.29 | cbrake | any issues with reverting to the last good page? I have no idea what Dr kludge was trying to do. |
| 13:26.47 | rwhitby | at least he is aptly named ... |
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| 13:33.21 | roh | cbrake just do |
| 13:33.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_OpenOCD]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 13:49.19 | Kalixa | hello openmoko |
| 13:50.25 | CM | I'm sure Motorola will sue if anyone says "Hello moko" ;) |
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| 14:04.57 | WiggleCat | counter |
| 14:04.58 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 5 days 21:55:02 (19.913 +-14.0 days) (824,158) |
| 14:05.02 | WiggleCat | ! |
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| 14:09.22 | kiney | counter |
| 14:09.22 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 5 days 21:50:37 (19.910 +-14.0 days) (825,158) |
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| 14:17.22 | PBeck | hi |
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| 15:15.13 | ewon | christian? |
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| 15:26.24 | Sup3rkiddo | hey there..are there plans for openmoko gear..like tees?...the orange logo on black would look swell |
| 15:29.57 | etf|work | Sup3rkiddo: See http://www.spreadshirt.net/shop.php?sid=211795 somebody did some already |
| 15:31.47 | Sup3rkiddo | etf|work: kewl..thanks |
| 15:32.04 | etf|work | got one myself, rather nice :) |
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| 15:37.47 | pjz | I thinkt the 'free your phone' tagline is much better than the unmeaningful 'hello moto!' stuff |
| 15:39.22 | Sup3rkiddo | pjz: +1 |
| 15:40.03 | lSpeedEvi | Fortunately, I'm still living in a blank, so can do 80 miles of new road. |
| 15:40.13 | koen | s/lm/km/ |
| 15:40.29 | lSpeedEvi | It does mean that I've got 9 waypoints on the google maps search. |
| 15:40.35 | Stephmw | koen: private learjet? |
| 15:40.47 | koen | Stephmw: car |
| 15:41.31 | lSpeedEvi | But I can put 5 towns and lots of road on the map :) |
| 15:42.00 | lSpeedEvi | oops. |
| 15:42.08 | lSpeedEvi | wrong channel - thought I was in #osm. |
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| 15:43.47 | Stephmw | "... and that's how lSpeedEvi admitted he curb-crawls" |
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| 15:45.57 | Stephmw | "... and that's how lSpeedEvi admitted he curb-crawls" |
| 15:46.00 | Stephmw | *ahem* |
| 15:46.40 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 15:47.37 | SpeedEvil | 'No, I was looking at the street signs, not the streetwalkers! |
| 15:47.55 | Stephmw | well practiced evasion too |
| 15:48.28 | Stephmw | "I was testing the new hooker tracking features... nonono, I mean .... oh blast" |
| 15:49.27 | hrw | osm? |
| 15:49.34 | drath | open street maps |
| 15:49.36 | hrw | Okręgowa Spółdzielna Mleczarska? |
| 15:49.38 | SpeedEvil | Open Street Maps |
| 15:49.52 | XorA | heh heh, opemmoko-sex-finder |
| 15:49.56 | SpeedEvil | http://www.openstreetmap.org/index.html?lat=56.25390621469565&lon=-3.158347755689567&zoom=9 is the bit I'm doing. |
| 15:50.26 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: wow |
| 15:50.31 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: that's a huge endeavour |
| 15:50.57 | XorA | SpeedEvil: didnt realise you were near the Burgh |
| 15:51.10 | SpeedEvil | The bit I'm in has a population of some 200K, unmapped. |
| 15:51.48 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: is there a list of region->person? |
| 15:51.54 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 15:52.11 | Stephmw | curious to know whos doing my neck of the woods :) |
| 15:53.23 | SpeedEvil | The 'who's doing what' at the moment sucks. |
| 15:53.34 | SpeedEvil | There is no good revision control accessible by users. |
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| 15:54.27 | XorA | time to get train |
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| 15:58.07 | kiney | counter |
| 15:58.08 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 5 days 20:01:51 (19.835 +-14.0 days) (826,157) |
| 16:03.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Sjf2410-linux]] |
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| 16:20.02 | CM | I should have gps-logged my easter driving.. 2017km home and back.. |
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| 16:21.40 | SpeedEvil | Even without actually tagging it, it's useful. |
| 16:39.24 | loufoque | CM: did you go from london to moscow or something? |
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| 16:55.12 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 5 days 19:04:47 (19.795 +-14.0 days) (827,157) |
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| 17:01.01 | ozamosi | That counter really moves the wrong way :( |
| 17:10.29 | buz | i think they have somehow found a timemachine |
| 17:10.38 | buz | to move counters |
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| 17:39.14 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 5 days 18:20:46 (19.764 +-14.0 days) (828,157) |
| 17:39.55 | thomasg_gpm | another additional week? |
| 17:40.24 | buz | the devs got kidnapped by aliens |
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| 17:45.55 | MetaBookfoziS | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-April/000011.html ^ |
| 17:46.04 | thomasg_gpm | oh my god! how awful! can we help them? :) |
| 17:47.05 | thomasg_gpm | I already read this message. just was wondering why the counter seems to add a week every time the neo should come :) |
| 17:47.21 | MetaBookfoziS | :) |
| 17:47.29 | buz | we must make signs in corn fields |
| 17:47.34 | buz | so the aliens know where to land |
| 17:47.38 | MetaBookfoziS | :)) |
| 17:47.44 | hrw | ;D |
| 17:47.45 | hrw | cu |
| 17:47.53 | MetaBookfoziS | we mus pot them near to firefox logos;) |
| 17:47.55 | MacNorth | even linux folk can succumb to viral marketing ;-P |
| 17:47.56 | MetaBookfoziS | u |
| 17:48.35 | thomasg_gpm | hrw|gone, ok, I'll meet you in two hours on the corn field |
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| 17:48.46 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 5 days 18:11:13 (19.758 +-14.0 days) (829,157) |
| 17:48.46 | MetaBookfoziS | :) |
| 17:48.53 | hrw|gone | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/7fbc9f624d2fc62f3ef6e1d1a03ff2e4.png |
| 17:49.18 | MetaBookfoziS | baah that gnomeish fodler icons:/ |
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| 17:56.48 | thomasg_gpm | MetaBookfoziS, I'm sure, that enlightenment will perform pretty good on this device :) |
| 17:58.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Application_Manager]] [[Manually_using_GSM]] |
| 18:09.23 | concept10 | hrw|gone, what development environment are you running there in that screenshot? |
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| 18:12.40 | MetaBookfoziS | thomasg_gpm > i wanna kde:D |
| 18:12.48 | thomasg_gpm | bloat :) |
| 18:12.52 | MetaBookfoziS | :D |
| 18:12.55 | thomasg_gpm | its damn slow on any pc ^^ |
| 18:13.04 | MetaBookfoziS | it's false, you know:) |
| 18:13.07 | thomasg_gpm | well, imho kde is ok |
| 18:13.13 | thomasg_gpm | but on a mobile device? no thanks :) |
| 18:13.21 | MetaBookfoziS | ^ thats true:/ |
| 18:13.40 | concept10 | can that development environment shown in that last screenshot be setup? |
| 18:13.44 | thomasg_gpm | I do not really like kde, but as desktop environment its not bad and better than gnome |
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| 18:15.11 | koen | concept10: development environment? |
| 18:15.23 | koen | concept10: that's a screenshot from the real device |
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| 18:16.10 | concept10 | koen, okay. Thanks. Can I setup a similar environment for testing? |
| 18:16.32 | koen | if you have a neo1973, yes |
| 18:16.37 | MetaBookfoziS | and, i think qt's license not accept to build openmoko with it |
| 18:16.58 | MetaBookfoziS | but who nows... om is opensource and free... |
| 18:20.43 | CM | loufoque: Nope, just from Gothenburg where I live to my hometown Umeå in the north |
| 18:20.54 | CM | loufoque: Sweden is quite long.. ;) |
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| 18:23.54 | noidd | CM: I've been to Umea |
| 18:24.00 | noidd | and Vannas |
| 18:24.06 | noidd | and Vannasby |
| 18:24.14 | noidd | may be vannes |
| 18:24.16 | noidd | or vennas |
| 18:24.18 | noidd | whichever |
| 18:24.53 | prom | concept10: you can set up openmoko in an emulator. even without building the whole environment by yourself. wait a sec, ill give you the url to the howto... |
| 18:25.26 | prom | concept10: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU |
| 18:25.44 | concept10 | prom, yeah, i had found that a couple on mins ago, thanks |
| 18:27.23 | prom | concept10: nothing to thank for. if you want to do development work your still gonna need a build tree so you have a cross compiler, library headers and so on... having the unpacked and patched source around helps too. |
| 18:29.58 | concept10 | prom, yeah, im new to embedded linux, im trying to get a nice development environment going over here. I have another project I want to tackle. |
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| 19:02.13 | CM | noidd: Hehe.. Vännäs? Wtf did you do that for? :P |
| 19:02.26 | CM | noidd: Cool though.. Not many who have been all the way up there :) |
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| 19:05.50 | hrw | concept10: that scap is taken from neo1973 running Ångström distribution. Same software as in OpenMoko distribution was used but I changed GTK theme to Clearlooks |
| 19:05.55 | hrw | and he left ;( |
| 19:07.59 | MetaBookfoziS | counter (6 weeks +-200days) |
| 19:08.08 | MetaBookfoziS | ah... |
| 19:08.09 | MetaBookfoziS | counter |
| 19:08.10 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 5 days 16:51:50 (19.703 +-14.0 days) (830,157) |
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| 19:54.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] |
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| 20:05.07 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03dodji * r1728 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (6 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 20:05.07 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Initial support for load, add, remove, and iterate over journal entries. |
| 20:05.07 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/src/moko-journal.c,h: |
| 20:05.07 | CIA-16 | openmoko: added new entry points to load, remove and iterate over journal |
| 20:05.07 | CIA-16 | openmoko: entries. Make sure load entries, add entry, and iterate works. |
| 20:05.10 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Still have to debug the remove entries part. |
| 20:05.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Also this has been done for EMAIL_JOURNAL_ENTRY type of entries. |
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| 20:13.43 | filippo | the application developed are only that visible in qemu image? I can't fin terminal mediaplayer and some other |
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| 21:21.57 | ninHero | hi all |
| 21:22.18 | DukeOfURL | the list is pretty quiet this afternoon |
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| 21:38.37 | peeps | i read an article about home fabrication today, which got me wondering if the neo case specs will be open too. for people to build their own variants |
| 21:39.08 | peeps | i mean, if some sort of cad file could be supplied |
| 21:39.55 | peeps | http://www.fabathome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
| 21:42.58 | DukeOfURL | Can a hard plastic case be produced with this method, or would you need an extrusion machine? |
| 21:43.16 | DukeOfURL | Hard, as in it will take serious abuse... |
| 21:44.03 | GaKkGaKk | I would think an aluminum case for the neo would be nice. |
| 21:44.18 | GaKkGaKk | And able to resist abuse :) |
| 21:44.18 | DukeOfURL | It would bend. |
| 21:45.01 | SpeedEvil | There are _many_ Al alloys. |
| 21:45.12 | SpeedEvil | Pure aluminium is very soft. |
| 21:45.18 | SpeedEvil | (and corrosion resistant) |
| 21:45.51 | SpeedEvil | Better alloys are really quite strong. |
| 21:46.29 | DukeOfURL | If we do mod the Neo, for example an IR LED/photocell, we'll need the ability to mod the case. |
| 21:46.45 | GaKkGaKk | Anything with a thickness over a mm is really quite strong... More than enough for a mobile phone. |
| 21:47.42 | SpeedEvil | Metal has fundamental problems for a phone though. |
| 21:47.53 | peeps | i actually have no idea if that particular device would be capable of fabbing a suitable phone case, but I just thought it was an interesting idea |
| 21:48.12 | DukeOfURL | Internal antenna wouldn't work... |
| 21:49.19 | GaKkGaKk | One would probably have to arrange some aolution for the antenna yes... |
| 21:50.03 | peeps | if not now I believe that some time in the future, such cnc machines will be easily available to non-professionals |
| 21:50.21 | DukeOfURL | How many layers does the Neo circuit board have? |
| 21:50.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Coding_Guidelines]] |
| 21:50.33 | SpeedEvil | Probably 4 or 6 at most. |
| 21:50.50 | peeps | i think i recall someone in this channel saying 7 layers, but I don't know about all that |
| 21:51.03 | peeps | it is a phone, not a burrito! |
| 21:51.29 | DukeOfURL | So adding an IC would be out of the question. |
| 21:51.35 | SpeedEvil | Well - no. |
| 21:51.40 | DukeOfURL | Assuming there was real estate |
| 21:51.40 | SpeedEvil | You just need a respin of the board. |
| 21:51.49 | SpeedEvil | What IC? |
| 21:52.04 | DukeOfURL | Accelerometer chip |
| 21:52.22 | DukeOfURL | Very small. Surface mount |
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| 21:52.30 | SpeedEvil | That's probably pretty simple to add - it's not a large chip, and can just be glued onto the I2C bus, which is 2 pin. |
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| 21:53.07 | peeps | it would be awesome to use an openmoko device as a wiimote |
| 21:53.19 | peeps | would need a camera too though |
| 21:54.01 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:58.38 | kmeyer | glued on lol |
| 21:58.41 | cjb | yes, people have them working as mice under Linux. |
| 21:59.09 | kmeyer | "working" for some definitions of the word |
| 22:02.22 | peeps | too bad Linux doesn't support cursor orientation like the wii though :p |
| 22:02.23 | DukeOfURL | mouse gestures with the phone |
| 22:02.58 | peeps | turn the remote upside down and the cursor turns upside down... |
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| 22:05.21 | peeps | if my phone had an accelerometer, i would write a script to make it scream in terror whenever it reaches a hard hit |
| 22:05.30 | LarstiQ | I saw some nice wii demonstrations this weekend as midi input devices |
| 22:05.39 | peeps | s/reaches/receives/ |
| 22:06.25 | LarstiQ | http://screenfashion.org/ |
| 22:07.22 | kmeyer | lol apt |
| 22:08.36 | peeps | kmeyer, you know it's a bot, right? |
| 22:09.14 | kmeyer | yes, it's utility seems limited though |
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| 22:09.47 | peeps | botsnack |
| 22:09.53 | peeps | ~botsnack |
| 22:09.53 | apt | peeps: aw, gee |
| 22:10.15 | dho | Yeah. That's really useful. |
| 22:10.21 | peeps | ;-) |
| 22:10.21 | dho | s/y u/y not u/ |
| 22:10.26 | dho | :P |
| 22:10.37 | dho | s/.*// |
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| 22:16.53 | Elrond | What is this mokojournal thing about anyway? |
| 22:19.27 | DukeOfURL | will applications run under root? |
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| 22:20.58 | DukeOfURL | or will apps run unser a user with lesser privileges? |
| 22:21.11 | DukeOfURL | s/unser/under/ |
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| 22:25.55 | Elrond | DukeOfURL - probably currently as root. But they should not depend on this. |
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| 22:26.50 | DukeOfURL | Actually, I would prefer apps not run as root. |
| 22:27.13 | DukeOfURL | My users will try to hach the phone... |
| 22:27.22 | DukeOfURL | s/hach/hack/ |
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| 22:31.14 | bhima | It's an open source phone! Users are _supposed_ to hack it! :) |
| 22:32.20 | DukeOfURL | peeps: was the watchband movie stop action? Or does the machine actually operate that fast? |
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| 22:33.00 | peeps | i haven't seen the watchband movie, at work right now, and this comp doesn't have right codecs |
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| 22:34.27 | DukeOfURL | What would be the plusses and minuses of this method over a 3D laser etching machine? |
| 22:34.46 | DukeOfURL | 3-axis |
| 22:36.28 | TimRiker | kmeyer: limted? |
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| 22:36.41 | TimRiker | s/limted/limited/ |
| 22:36.52 | TimRiker | apt: spell limted |
| 22:37.01 | TimRiker | apt: dict limted |
| 22:37.04 | TimRiker | apt: dict limited |
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| 22:40.22 | peeps | i never heard of a 3 axis laser etcher. just 2d engravers |
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| 23:44.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Coding_Guidelines]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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