| 00:05.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Current_events]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] |
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| 00:15.01 | empty_mind | rwhitby, there ? |
| 00:15.11 | rwhitby | yep, for 5 minutes |
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| 00:18.41 | empty_mind | rwhitby, you yesterday recomended to read something for adding your own package in openmoko distro, please point it again. I lost the saved file |
| 00:18.53 | empty_mind | rwhitby, it was something D)STRO_EXTRA |
| 00:19.42 | filippo[Zzzz] | why don't partecipate on eclipse dsdp/tml project? at http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/tml/ |
| 00:19.43 | aloril | filippo[Zzzz]: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 00:21.03 | rwhitby | DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS |
| 00:21.25 | rwhitby | back later (off to the beach) |
| 00:21.38 | empty_mind | rwhitby, in openmoko wiki or oe wiki ? |
| 00:21.47 | rwhitby | It's an OE variable |
| 00:21.48 | empty_mind | rwhitby, thnxs for the help |
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| 00:58.22 | alexbodn | hi all |
| 00:58.50 | alexbodn | i have a banal question: |
| 00:59.59 | alexbodn | my employer will visit hong-kong later this week. will it be possible for him to get me an openmoko phone? |
| 01:00.00 | aloril | alexbodn: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 01:00.15 | SrRaven | alex I dont think so |
| 01:00.28 | SrRaven | currently the only openmoko phones out are for developers and you order them |
| 01:00.48 | alexbodn | when will it be available first? |
| 01:00.58 | SrRaven | september-ish |
| 01:01.03 | SrRaven | read the wiki |
| 01:01.19 | alexbodn | this will already be the 1.5 version? |
| 01:01.33 | SrRaven | what you mean by 1.5 ? |
| 01:02.18 | alexbodn | i've seen on the wiki there is a planned hw upgrade due june |
| 01:02.47 | SrRaven | yes,currently we are in Phase 0 |
| 01:02.53 | SrRaven | than there will be phase 1 |
| 01:02.57 | SrRaven | and phase 1+ I think |
| 01:03.05 | SrRaven | Phase 2 will be the mass market openmoko |
| 01:03.43 | alexbodn | will it then have decent memory for additional files etc? |
| 01:04.00 | SrRaven | read the wiki for that |
| 01:04.52 | alexbodn | i see the 1.5 is about speed improvements and wifi |
| 01:05.02 | MacNorth | that's a good summary |
| 01:05.12 | alexbodn | :-) |
| 01:06.01 | alexbodn | so i will happily wait to september. there is much to have then :) |
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| 01:06.16 | MacNorth | if you want it all, then sept is your best bet |
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| 01:06.50 | Vegar | what about graphics acceleration? is there any ETA on that? |
| 01:06.56 | Vegar | this year/next year? |
| 01:07.59 | MacNorth | depending on how stron you are, you can get pretty good acceleration if you throw the phone |
| 01:08.09 | alexbodn | thanks again, i'm simply eager to have a really customisable and upgradable phone. my current one is a siemens me45, failing in every possible function, and not upgradeable. |
| 01:09.21 | alexbodn | btw, dropping it from a high place will get it decent 9.8 m/(s*s) |
| 01:10.07 | MacNorth | then we should integrate for the solution and move to uni phys :-P |
| 01:10.26 | alexbodn | actually i graduated highschool some 21 years ago |
| 01:10.50 | madwoota | you sure you've graduated to high school SrRaven ? :P |
| 01:10.59 | alexbodn | and never stusied physics ever since |
| 01:11.23 | SrRaven | wtf madwoota |
| 01:11.27 | SrRaven | what you doin here |
| 01:11.31 | alexbodn | s/stusied/studied/ |
| 01:11.54 | alexbodn | :-) |
| 01:13.25 | alexbodn | apt_: it seems your nick is following the right system to manage software, even in openmoko |
| 01:14.57 | madwoota | by getting 200meg of new packages and then freeing up 20kb of diskspace ? |
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| 01:16.19 | alexbodn | the second value is a diff in disk volume between the older and the newer versions :) |
| 01:16.38 | MacNorth | sounds a bit more efficient then |
| 01:18.14 | alexbodn | as an embedded device, it would be probably a decent solution to upgrade it only when connected to a pc, for the download and cache space |
| 01:20.00 | alexbodn | but apt itself works btw quite fine in low disk memory environments, by downloading and installing the packages in smaller batches |
| 01:20.03 | MacNorth | om uses ipk from oe, not debian packages |
| 01:20.46 | alexbodn | i don't know it in depth, but seem compatible |
| 01:22.52 | MacNorth | true -- Q4 http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OeFaq#development |
| 01:24.21 | alexbodn | ;-) |
| 01:25.37 | alexbodn | thanks all. i'll subscribe to the announces list to be ready at the right time :-) |
| 01:26.34 | alexbodn | bye for now |
| 01:26.39 | MacNorth | c ya |
| 01:26.55 | alexbodn | :-) |
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| 02:00.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[User_talk:Technil]] |
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| 04:12.23 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, a day 03:53:48 (8.162 +-8.2 days) (788,151) |
| 04:12.32 | peepsalot | hmm |
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| 04:34.59 | kmeyer | building openmoko sort of requires downloading a lot of stuff :) |
| 04:53.02 | MacNorth | and patience :) |
| 04:57.58 | kmeyer | nah, the slow downloading bit is the part that bugs me... wait, I think I see your point :P |
| 04:58.15 | kmeyer | NOTE: Handling BitBake files: - (4290/4324) [99 %] |
| 04:58.26 | kmeyer | it logarithmically approaches 100% |
| 04:59.54 | kmeyer | supertux ported to openmoko could be pretty awesome |
| 05:01.23 | peepsalot | i think the controls are not conducive to good gameplay |
| 05:01.59 | kmeyer | oh? |
| 05:02.16 | kmeyer | you mean the hardware of the neo? |
| 05:02.18 | kmeyer | riiight. |
| 05:02.43 | peepsalot | yeah, i guess some future hardware with real buttons will be nice |
| 05:04.32 | kmeyer | yep |
| 05:04.54 | peepsalot | i mean, a touchscreen doesn't seem to be a good input device for games like that. i think some games will work well though, just depends on the gameplay style |
| 05:05.00 | peepsalot | sidescrollers, eh |
| 05:05.48 | kmeyer | perhaps that one helicopter game where you hold either hold up, or let it fall with gravity |
| 05:06.27 | peepsalot | anyways, there is a screenshot of supertux running on the neo. i think they said there was no input or working sound yet though |
| 05:06.39 | kmeyer | ah |
| 05:06.47 | kmeyer | resolution is great enough? |
| 05:07.03 | kmeyer | 6 "BitBake" files left |
| 05:07.06 | kmeyer | how slow are these things? |
| 05:07.17 | kmeyer | 5... |
| 05:07.27 | peepsalot | http://www.sicherheitsschwankung.de/post/jan/2007-03-12/supertux-neo |
| 05:10.47 | kmeyer | thanks |
| 05:10.51 | kmeyer | ahhh parsing finished |
| 05:10.56 | kmeyer | I guess build time now? |
| 05:11.06 | kmeyer | download then build time! |
| 05:13.11 | Psi_ | anyone got dosbox to run on the neo :P |
| 05:13.58 | kmeyer | whoah, I can see why the build process takes ages. |
| 05:14.11 | kmeyer | you'd think the downloads and builds could run in semi-parallel |
| 05:32.39 | rwhitby | kmeyer: with bitbake 1.8.x I believe it can. |
| 05:33.12 | kmeyer | ah, I only have 1.6.2 |
| 05:34.11 | rwhitby | yeah, OM has to port it's svnnow stuff to 1.8.x ... |
| 05:34.39 | kmeyer | I'm using my distro's package I think |
| 05:35.12 | rwhitby | I never install bitbake - it changes too often and is too tightly coupled with OE. |
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| 05:37.59 | kmeyer | heh |
| 05:38.12 | kmeyer | I have no knowledge of it other than that my distro ships it |
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| 06:28.28 | kmeyer | woot, getting a whole 9kiB/s from OEorg |
| 06:28.43 | kmeyer | 12! |
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| 07:00.46 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:49.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973/ru]] |
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| 09:05.25 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, a day 01:27:17 (8.061 +-8.1 days) (789,151) |
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| 10:12.28 | thresh | ~counter |
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| 10:12.37 | thresh | eheh. |
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| 10:14.03 | drath | counter? |
| 10:14.03 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a week, a day 00:52:58 (8.037 +-8.0 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-04-15); 5 months, a week (160.074 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (791,152) |
| 10:14.12 | thresh | thanks :) |
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| 11:41.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation]] [[Look_%26_Feel]] [[Search_Widget]] |
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| 11:52.33 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, a day 00:03:43 (8.003 +-8.0 days) (792,152) |
| 11:59.25 | Elrond | Hi mickeyl! :) |
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| 12:05.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1713 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/ (buttonactions.c mokodesktop.h stylusmenu.c): openmoko-panel-mainmenu: show popup menu, if power button is held for more than 1 second |
| 12:05.36 | mickeyl | cheers |
| 12:05.36 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 12:05.42 | mickey|BBQ | :D |
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| 12:10.32 | Magon | mickey|BBQ: what about ranking SoC? |
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| 14:02.17 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 22:58:51 (7.958 +-8.0 days) (795,153) |
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| 14:32.19 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: qemu-neo1973 |
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| 14:34.11 | hrw | did someone here used Dell D400 laptop? |
| 14:34.15 | hrw | morning |
| 14:41.44 | mwester | I was talking about buying one some weeks ago, but I think that was on one of the nslu2 channels. Could that be it, hrw? |
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| 14:43.46 | hrw | mwester: it was not me |
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| 14:53.34 | ewon | thinking about a thinkpad x40 myself.... |
| 14:54.58 | hrw | ewon: x40 use 1.8" hdd which are harder to get then 2.5" ones |
| 14:55.20 | hrw | ewon: I am thinking about x31/x32 but d400 looks interesting.. |
| 14:55.37 | hrw | similiar hardware as in x31 but cheaper |
| 14:58.21 | buz | x31 is ooold |
| 14:59.00 | buz | i'm looking at the t60 myself |
| 14:59.00 | buz | if you buy a x31 from ebay, add the money for a new battery to the price |
| 14:59.13 | hrw | buz: I know that battery is a must to buy |
| 14:59.37 | hrw | buz: but I need light laptop for conferences, not mobile tool for everything |
| 15:00.25 | hrw | for everything I have amd64 desktop |
| 15:01.54 | ewon | small size, battery life, and reliability are the priorities |
| 15:02.06 | ewon | for me anyway :) |
| 15:02.20 | ewon | have a thinkpad t42 at present but want to go smaller :) |
| 15:02.45 | hrw | ewon: availability of accessories are also worth to consider.. |
| 15:02.55 | Elrond | [OT] Can I tell an usb device to power-down? |
| 15:04.14 | ewon | hrw: what kind of accessories? all I need the machine to do is act as basically an ssh client / web browser / trivial compile box |
| 15:05.20 | hrw | ewon: batteries and docking stations (but DS are not as needed as batteries) |
| 15:05.39 | ewon | hrw: 6 cell batteries on ebay :) |
| 15:10.38 | hrw | ;D |
| 15:13.58 | hrw | need to go - cu |
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| 15:33.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MokoMakefile]] [[Community_Events]] |
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| 16:36.48 | PBeck | re |
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| 16:45.33 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 21:37:13 (7.901 +-7.9 days) (796,153) |
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| 17:00.10 | buz | laptop batteries from ebay? |
| 17:00.18 | buz | i'll buy that when i own an over insured house |
| 17:01.09 | PBeck | hum is the counter higher? |
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| 17:01.55 | PBeck | who set the counter? |
| 17:02.21 | MacNorth | the counter is at this point, a guess |
| 17:03.30 | SpeedEvil | 2-3 centuries is the current best guess. |
| 17:03.52 | buz | i'm quite sure it will be released before hell finally freezes over |
| 17:04.01 | buz | then again, that happened quite a few times in the past years |
| 17:04.06 | MacNorth | that assumes that hell exists ;) |
| 17:04.44 | buz | oh i'm quite sure about that |
| 17:04.50 | buz | talk shows must be produced somewhere |
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| 17:05.33 | MacNorth | the US certainly isn't the best place to live |
| 17:05.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1715 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (gta01-inputdevice.patch gta01-pcf50606.patch): |
| 17:05.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: kernel: fix input_report logics for KEY_PHONE and KEY_POWER (was vice versa) |
| 17:05.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: NOTE: Harald, please check for the remaining input_report calls as well |
| 17:06.35 | buz | if you believe hugo chavez then the us is lead by the devil |
| 17:08.04 | MacNorth | heh, more than one person thinks the country is lead by not the right person |
| 17:08.42 | buz | yeah but i wouldnt say hugo is any better really |
| 17:08.54 | buz | different kind of evil really |
| 17:09.14 | PBeck | buz: the hell will freeze ^^ |
| 17:09.30 | buz | why? |
| 17:10.12 | PBeck | i dont know, you mean that :P |
| 17:10.50 | rob_w | hugo chavez thinks there is live on mars |
| 17:11.05 | SpeedEvil | There probably is. |
| 17:11.17 | SpeedEvil | If only from contamination on the assorted landers. |
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| 17:11.28 | SpeedEvil | it'll be in hibernation of course. |
| 17:12.02 | PBeck | i hope i can buy a neo with wlan on september ;) |
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| 17:13.31 | buz | i hope i can do so in july |
| 17:13.42 | buz | but believe so? not really |
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| 17:13.56 | tuxmaniac | Hello gang |
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| 17:14.16 | tuxmaniac | I have ben getting this error for couple ofdays now and am unable to resolve it. any pointers? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14746/ |
| 17:14.59 | cjb | tuxmaniac: tried from a fresh build directory? |
| 17:17.07 | tuxmaniac | yes |
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| 17:29.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation]] |
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| 17:44.39 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1716 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/ (buttonactions.c mokodesktop.h): openmoko-panel-mainmenu: add preliminary actions for AUX button, fix power button menu positioning |
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| 17:48.24 | Elrond | mickeyl - BTW: Will you "blog" on your Sean meetup? |
| 17:48.24 | mickeyl | absolutely |
| 17:48.24 | mickeyl | just didnt have time yet |
| 17:48.26 | mickeyl | will do later tonite |
| 17:48.27 | mickeyl | :) |
| 17:48.35 | Elrond | Good. :-) |
| 17:48.44 | buz | any timeframe for the p1.5 announcement yet? |
| 17:49.48 | Elrond | mickeyl - May you tell us about the instability issue? |
| 17:50.49 | mickeyl | I'll address both in my blog |
| 17:50.56 | mickeyl | (only briefly) |
| 17:50.57 | mickeyl | :) |
| 17:51.08 | mickeyl | bbl, need to spend some time with wifey now |
| 17:51.10 | koen | "rule #1: never talk about instabilities" |
| 17:51.33 | SuN | Straight from the Windows Developer's manual, I assume. |
| 17:52.02 | buz | great now i need to stay up all night |
| 17:52.07 | buz | waiting for the blog post |
| 17:53.44 | koen | root@fic-gta01:~$ uptime |
| 17:53.45 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.50 | koen | what instability? |
| 17:53.50 | koen | ;) |
| 17:54.18 | buz | with builtin multiday ups we can finally have uptime in years ;) |
| 17:54.23 | buz | even without diesel generator |
| 17:54.36 | mmp | koen: nevery try to prove that instability doesn't affect you:) |
| 17:55.14 | koen | it's still at 200MHz, though |
| 17:55.46 | mmp | that old machine, or that tuned powersavings? :) |
| 17:56.27 | koen | p0 ran at 200MHz when I got it |
| 17:56.41 | buz | mmp: that new, doesnt yet run faster ;) |
| 17:56.41 | roh | koen i also only know of problems which cannot happen with the late versions or which i only saw on really old devices where it was obvious why |
| 17:56.49 | mmp | ahaa:) |
| 17:57.33 | mmp | hmm, but anyway, shouldn't "the new" run at 266? |
| 17:58.22 | koen | the old as well, if you poke uboot the right way |
| 17:58.33 | koen | but I don't upgrade uboot everyday |
| 17:58.35 | mmp | :) |
| 17:58.39 | koen | pretty much 'never' |
| 18:00.12 | mmp | same here, just the component just after bootloader had just yesterday maybe 10 changes at me:) |
| 18:00.38 | mmp | but I'm not speaking about p0, of course:) |
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| 18:05.57 | DukeOfURL | the battery is 1200Ah. at 3.7V, does that mean 4.4Whr? |
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| 18:08.18 | kmeyer | hmm |
| 18:08.31 | kmeyer | my compile is failing because an ftp server is down or something? |
| 18:08.57 | kmeyer | portmap-5-26 failed to download |
| 18:09.16 | DukeOfURL | mine failed on portmap as well |
| 18:09.26 | Stephmw | is it hosted on sf.com? |
| 18:09.30 | DukeOfURL | yesterday and today |
| 18:09.30 | Stephmw | err, sf.net |
| 18:09.43 | kmeyer | no, some debian server |
| 18:09.52 | kmeyer | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/portmap/portmap_5-26.diff.gz |
| 18:10.18 | kmeyer | http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/portmap_5.orig.tar.gz |
| 18:10.29 | Stephmw | iirc debian's just had a release, so the debian one might well be out of date |
| 18:11.32 | kmeyer | ahh |
| 18:11.43 | kmeyer | the ftp connection times out for me, because of some PASV/PORT problem |
| 18:12.13 | kmeyer | (I think0 |
| 18:14.25 | kmeyer | ah |
| 18:14.27 | kmeyer | http works tho |
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| 18:19.25 | kmeyer | if you have Monomakefile simply download the http://<same server/path> instead of ftp:// for portmap_5-26.diff.gz, you're fine |
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| 18:38.41 | kmeyer | heh, OM uses busybox? Seems like it has a hell of a lot of other packages to be using it... |
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| 18:41.13 | CoreDump|home | kmeyer: you are of course welcome to replace BB w/ "the real deal" if you manage to stay keep the rootfs size near-identical ;) |
| 18:42.33 | kmeyer | :-) |
| 18:42.45 | kmeyer | nah |
| 18:43.02 | kmeyer | I was just thinking that there are a lot of packages used that aren't in BB |
| 18:43.13 | kmeyer | how big is the rootfs size anyways (what's the limit)? |
| 18:43.27 | CoreDump|home | max is 64MB IIRC |
| 18:44.01 | CoreDump|home | http://rafb.net/p/yGDKWV50.html |
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| 18:48.52 | pjz | counter |
| 18:48.53 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 20:35:33 (7.858 +-7.9 days) (797,153) |
| 18:50.14 | SpeedEvil | a week or two prolly. |
| 19:03.38 | Basheri | counter |
| 19:03.39 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 20:28:10 (7.853 +-7.9 days) (798,154) |
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| 19:04.33 | Basheri | oomg, didn't see that upper one |
| 19:04.42 | Basheri | the one above |
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| 19:25.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Main_Page/fr]] |
| 19:29.50 | kmeyer | are all packages properly stripped and sstripped? |
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| 19:31.13 | koen | kmeyer: depends on how you setup your OE environment |
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| 19:32.50 | kmeyer | k] |
| 19:33.19 | kmeyer | why is it fetching libXau? |
| 19:34.44 | koen | because it needs to build it |
| 19:35.35 | aevin | counter |
| 19:35.35 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 20:12:12 (7.842 +-7.8 days) (799,154) |
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| 19:39.33 | aevin | any news whether the issues with latest rev (GTA01v4) is resolvable in sw, or if there'll have to be another hardware spin before P1? |
| 19:40.06 | koen | aevin: micekyl said he'll make a brief comment about it on his blog tonight |
| 19:40.25 | aevin | okay. good. thanks for the info, koen. |
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| 19:40.37 | kmeyer | koen: could you link me to the blog? |
| 19:40.49 | koen | planet.openmoko.org |
| 19:41.00 | kmeyer | thanks |
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| 20:22.26 | Elrond | Koffa - Do you have a recent kernel (<= 2 weeks) on your p0? |
| 20:22.29 | Elrond | Huh |
| 20:22.54 | Elrond | koen - Do you have a recent kernel (<= 2 weeks) on your p0? |
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| 20:29.38 | koen | Elrond: 2.6.20 from OE |
| 20:29.39 | koen | Elrond: and how would I have a 2 weeks old kernel running if the uptime is 3 weeks? |
| 20:29.39 | koen | :) |
| 20:31.26 | Elrond | Oh, right. ;-) |
| 20:32.09 | CoreDump|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.10 | Elrond | I'm looking for someone having the latest (2 weeks old) gta01-power_control.patch . (it fixes, what I posted months ago.) |
| 20:32.11 | CoreDump|home | hrmm |
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| 20:39.13 | Vegar | CoreDump|home: how fast is that in minutes? |
| 20:39.21 | Vegar | 0.5, 1, 3? |
| 20:39.28 | CoreDump|home | Vegar: IIRC ~1m |
| 20:39.35 | Vegar | ok |
| 20:41.19 | CoreDump|home | Elrond: nothing |
| 20:41.27 | CoreDump|home | Elrond: I don't even have ttyS1 |
| 20:41.53 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - Hmm, ttySAC1 ? |
| 20:42.10 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 20:42.45 | Elrond | It's long ago we tried this. I just today noticed, that GPIOs for the gps power_up-cycle were fixed. |
| 20:43.40 | CoreDump|home | Elrond: no respond from ttySAC1 after ~20 0x80 |
| 20:43.48 | CoreDump|home | *response |
| 20:44.12 | Elrond | Hmm, and a 0xFA ? |
| 20:45.05 | CoreDump|home | nothing again |
| 20:45.09 | Elrond | :-( |
| 20:45.13 | Elrond | Okay, many thanks. :-) |
| 20:45.37 | CoreDump|home | np |
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| 21:04.26 | asdfadf | counter |
| 21:04.26 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 19:27:46 (7.811 +-7.8 days) (800,155) |
| 21:08.31 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1717 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/buttonactions.c: openmoko-panel-mainmenu: start processes in the background |
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| 21:11.55 | Nebukadneza | heyho |
| 21:14.16 | MacNorth | hi |
| 21:15.08 | ewanm89 | exit |
| 21:16.00 | Nebukadneza | i got a few question about the early stages of the project. i was thinking about getting a neo almost soon as i can afford it and its available (well - "in a couple of weeks" :P). i wouldnt mind helping in the development a bit as far as i can and mess with unstable software |
| 21:16.21 | SpeedEvil | What questions? |
| 21:16.35 | Nebukadneza | only thing i was thinking about is - the gsm interface is seperated from the rest, right? so, how would hardcore unstable software affect the gsm? |
| 21:16.43 | Nebukadneza | SpeedEvil: give me some time to type ;P |
| 21:16.45 | SpeedEvil | it's an AT modem. |
| 21:17.08 | SpeedEvil | if the software talks over the serial port, then anything the modem supports could happen. |
| 21:17.20 | Nebukadneza | hm, okay |
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| 21:17.32 | Nebukadneza | so its not *that* seperated |
| 21:17.34 | Nebukadneza | mhmh |
| 21:17.50 | SpeedEvil | It's seperated - in that the phone can control what it dials. |
| 21:17.50 | mjr | how separated did you think it was? |
| 21:17.54 | mjr | yah |
| 21:18.05 | SpeedEvil | if it was more seperated, then the phone wouldn't actually work. |
| 21:18.13 | Nebukadneza | jeah |
| 21:18.23 | Nebukadneza | i havent found much about that on the wiki, so ... |
| 21:19.18 | Nebukadneza | well, next question: in what ways could one help assuming i get a phone as soon as theyre out an assuming i'm not into lowlevel stuff (kernel modules and similar lowlevely userspace stuff) |
| 21:19.37 | SpeedEvil | games. |
| 21:19.41 | SpeedEvil | any programs. |
| 21:19.42 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 21:20.22 | SpeedEvil | It's basically a touchscreen PC. |
| 21:20.34 | SpeedEvil | With a phone and GPS and stuff in it. |
| 21:20.36 | Nebukadneza | i thought about apps beeing useful on a mobile phone |
| 21:21.29 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1718 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): oe/linux: update default kernel to 2.6.20.5 |
| 21:21.45 | Nebukadneza | and actually i couldnt come up with really sweet ideas what to do with gsm, gps, a touchscreen and bluetooth apart from the "standard" application which are probably developed by "betters" devs than i am ;P |
| 21:22.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Wish_List]] |
| 21:22.40 | SpeedEvil | So come up with stupid but fun ideas. |
| 21:24.43 | Nebukadneza | hm |
| 21:25.09 | Nebukadneza | i would come up with some strange "gps games", but well ... thats no essential feature you would want on a phone :P |
| 21:25.25 | MacNorth | like, 'find the nearest toilet' :-D |
| 21:25.49 | Nebukadneza | nah, like run-around-snake or memory or something |
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| 21:34.33 | Vegar | what's that game called? |
| 21:34.36 | Vegar | where you make walls |
| 21:35.09 | Vegar | uhm.. |
| 21:35.48 | Nebukadneza | to seperate balls bouncing off walls? |
| 21:35.53 | Vegar | no |
| 21:35.57 | Nebukadneza | hm, ok |
| 21:36.01 | Vegar | if you crash in someone's wall you're dead |
| 21:36.07 | jgm | You're thinking of the lightcycles game (or Tron, as it's sometimes known) |
| 21:36.11 | Vegar | yes, tron |
| 21:36.17 | Vegar | RL tron with neos would be cool |
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| 21:37.14 | Vegar | requires GPS and some sort of communication between the devices |
| 21:37.21 | Vegar | (WLAN or GPRS) |
| 21:37.25 | Nebukadneza | hm, by the way |
| 21:37.31 | Nebukadneza | is the gsm chipset capable of umts? |
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| 21:42.42 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 21:42.45 | SpeedEvil | GSM != UTMS |
| 21:42.55 | Nebukadneza | ok |
| 21:42.55 | SpeedEvil | s/TM/MT/ |
| 21:43.38 | Nebukadneza | so the only way of putting the moko into a network would be usb, bluetooth or gprs, right? |
| 21:44.19 | SpeedEvil | Or ppp, over the serial link over the debug board. |
| 21:44.25 | Nebukadneza | okay |
| 21:44.27 | SpeedEvil | (that'd be insane though) |
| 21:44.58 | Nebukadneza | *g somehow |
| 21:45.21 | Nebukadneza | a mobile kinda free ssh, maybe forwarded to a laptop through bluetooth would be way beyond nice ;P |
| 21:50.07 | Vegar | http://gps-tron.datenmafia.org |
| 21:50.11 | Vegar | interesting |
| 21:50.59 | ajturner | Vegar - that hasn't really done anything in awhile |
| 21:51.09 | ajturner | great idea though :) |
| 21:51.30 | SuN | Hm, real-life pacman comes to mind. |
| 21:53.21 | Elrond | *G* |
| 21:53.55 | Nebukadneza | hm |
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| 21:54.15 | Nebukadneza | is mtn beeing goddamned slow while doing a make setup with MokoMakefile normal? |
| 21:58.10 | drath | SuN: we had that 20 years ago - according to my dictionary it's "to play tag" in english ;) |
| 22:00.57 | SuN | Yeah, but that has horribly outdated graphics :D |
| 22:01.16 | drath | hehehehe :) |
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| 22:19.31 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r89 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ (series sysvinit-inittab-duplicated-lines.patch): Patch to remove duplicated tty lines in /etc/inittab |
| 22:20.14 | rwhitby | Reported in http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=430 |
| 22:20.19 | rwhitby | mickeyl: ^^ |
| 22:20.56 | mickeyl | hmm still? |
| 22:21.18 | mickeyl | is that problem in OE or in OM? |
| 22:21.24 | rwhitby | the fic specific inittab had the tty lines in it, then the bb recipe adds them again |
| 22:21.34 | rwhitby | this is with frozen OE and latest OM |
| 22:22.17 | rwhitby | and the recipe correctly omits the SAC0 line, but the hard-coded lines in the fic-gta01 override inittab file still has it, which causes a getty on that port |
| 22:22.41 | rwhitby | You can see this by the "duplicated id 1" on boot from /sbin/init when it reads the inittab |
| 22:23.39 | mickeyl | do we still get the tty1 after that patch |
| 22:23.39 | mickeyl | ? |
| 22:23.48 | rwhitby | yes, the bitbake recipe adds it. |
| 22:24.11 | rwhitby | sysvinit_2.86.bb |
| 22:24.18 | mickeyl | cool, in that case, please go ahead and add it to OM |
| 22:24.29 | rwhitby | line 80 |
| 22:24.58 | rwhitby | I'd like to get a confirmation from someone else first that the bug appears for them and that this fixes it. |
| 22:25.12 | mickeyl | let me take a look at my inittab on a more or less fresh build |
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| 22:25.29 | rwhitby | you can see it in tmp/rootfs/... |
| 22:25.55 | rwhitby | bbiab (getting ready for work) |
| 22:26.03 | mickeyl | k |
| 22:27.11 | Nebukadneza | hm |
| 22:29.22 | Nebukadneza | i just read the pages about the bootloader ... i still dont understand how it will go in phase0 |
| 22:29.51 | Nebukadneza | the bootloader lies in the nand flash, right? and one has to have a JTAG interface to flash into nand, right? |
| 22:30.21 | Nebukadneza | so what do people do who want a phase0 moko, but cannot afford a additional hackers lunchbox with a development board? |
| 22:30.40 | Nebukadneza | uhm |
| 22:30.40 | SpeedEvil | NBo. |
| 22:30.42 | Nebukadneza | phase1, sorry |
| 22:30.53 | SpeedEvil | You will _rarely_ need the JTAG loader. |
| 22:31.03 | SpeedEvil | You can for most purposes reflash the phone from USB. |
| 22:31.16 | SpeedEvil | It's only if yoiu screw up the bootloader that you need JTAG. |
| 22:31.39 | Nebukadneza | how could that happen |
| 22:31.53 | Nebukadneza | i mean, screwing the bootloader |
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| 22:32.04 | SpeedEvil | Trying to upgrade it. |
| 22:32.12 | SpeedEvil | Think of the bootloader like lilo or grub. |
| 22:32.55 | Nebukadneza | sure, so its possible to flash the nand containing the bootloader over usb? |
| 22:33.01 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 22:33.07 | SpeedEvil | unless it's corrupt. |
| 22:34.25 | Nebukadneza | *g okay |
| 22:34.26 | Nebukadneza | and assuming i fuck it up there is no other way than a jtag interface? |
| 22:34.37 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 22:34.37 | SpeedEvil | Or send it to someone with one. |
| 22:34.38 | SpeedEvil | How many times have you screwed up your PCs FLASH rom though? |
| 22:34.53 | Stephmw | as many times as anyone's felt the need to mess with it :) |
| 22:34.58 | Stephmw | ... 0 |
| 22:35.09 | Nebukadneza | *g |
| 22:35.17 | Stephmw | the guys that want to will likely get a jtag cable |
| 22:35.19 | Nebukadneza | SpeedEvil: well, it happens |
| 22:35.25 | Stephmw | the others will be happy in ignorance |
| 22:36.40 | mickeyl | blog posted. g'night |
| 22:41.14 | SpeedEvil | Not one or two weeks then. |
| 22:41.15 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 22:47.02 | CoreDump|home | Maybe write-protect the partition via uboot-env |
| 22:47.05 | Stephmw | some checksumming would help |
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| 22:48.06 | CoreDump|home | I believe it should be harder than "dfu-util $some-parameters" to flash uboot. Just hard enough that N00b needs to do some serious RTFM before he can even think of flashing it |
| 22:48.15 | CoreDump|home | s/it/uboot/ |
| 22:48.19 | aloril | (script) planet: Michael "mickeyl" Lauer: OpenMoko Coreteam in Frankfurt/Main http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/04/10/openmoko-coreteam-in-frankfurtmain/ |
| 22:48.21 | CoreDump|home | !curse apt |
| 22:49.30 | greghunt | it should be easy, so there less chance of a fuck up.. |
| 22:49.44 | greghunt | if they want to flash it they'll find a way, best make it easy and idiot proff |
| 22:49.46 | greghunt | proof* |
| 22:50.01 | SpeedEvil | Flashing should be easy. |
| 22:50.07 | SpeedEvil | Flashing the bootloader should be hard. |
| 22:50.11 | CoreDump|home | But not uboot IMO, |
| 22:50.23 | CoreDump|home | SpeedEvil: exactly, I wasn't talking about the rootfs =) |
| 22:50.27 | greghunt | can the flasher do some sort of sanity checks before hand? |
| 22:51.07 | greghunt | perhaps check user sanity? :) |
| 22:51.07 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 22:51.38 | CoreDump|home | I guess forcing $NOOB to edit a u-boot env to unprotect the uboot partition would scare off enough idiots |
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| 23:56.45 | rwhitby | morning |
| 23:58.44 | jebba | hey rwhitby |