| 00:00.42 | roh | don-o qemu crashed? which ubuntu do you use? |
| 00:01.18 | shumz | i want to play with one fo these now :( |
| 00:01.29 | don-o | roh: the startup got as far as some gnome text messages, never switched to X as far as i can tell. im using feisty fawn |
| 00:01.30 | roh | shumz come over;) |
| 00:01.39 | shumz | roh where are you |
| 00:01.57 | shumz | you lucky "censored" |
| 00:01.58 | roh | don-o uh.. i see. i'm at dapper with upgrades. feisty as soon as released |
| 00:02.25 | don-o | roh: k. feisty will probably come out at the same time as the neo. |
| 00:02.33 | roh | shumz berlin usually, atm i'm in Hamburg, henryk is also here with me and also has a gta01bv02 |
| 00:02.45 | roh | don-o P1 you mean |
| 00:03.15 | don-o | roh: i mean to say 'in a couple weeks' |
| 00:03.33 | shumz | i want one now, is there no way i can get it |
| 00:03.44 | shumz | apart from build it myself |
| 00:03.46 | don-o | shumz: see /topic |
| 00:03.51 | roh | shumz try the emulator (qemu) |
| 00:04.06 | roh | its actually faster than the real thing on most actions |
| 00:04.22 | roh | just the crazy high-res lcd isn't there |
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| 00:04.50 | dho | roh: But the screen emulation in qemu is emulating the display driver on the board, right? |
| 00:04.51 | shumz | im lovin the whole damn idea, it should put a massive dent in the market |
| 00:05.01 | roh | the qemu window on my 1400x1050 14" screen is >2times as big in X and Y direction than the real one |
| 00:05.30 | roh | dho it emulates the real hardware, so you get a vertical window showing the same than then screen |
| 00:05.37 | shumz | just be careful alot of clones might be released |
| 00:05.55 | roh | dho: we boot a unmodified moko kernel and filesytem in the qemu |
| 00:05.58 | greghunt | they might steal the code! |
| 00:06.31 | roh | greghunt: if someone does it better they can if they take care of the gpl of the drivers |
| 00:06.45 | shumz | just go to asia, ull see ur device with a different name for a quarter of the prices |
| 00:06.56 | roh | shumz fic IS from asia |
| 00:07.22 | shumz | i knew that "as if" lol |
| 00:07.26 | dho | roh: Right, ok. I was just making sure for the port since I guess we probably wont' have the phones before we start |
| 00:07.32 | dho | 1/w 1 |
| 00:08.37 | shumz | looks like ill have to go play wid da ps3 until i get me hands on this |
| 00:10.21 | shumz | goodnight evry1 cant w8 til this damn thing hits me |
| 00:10.31 | dho | I wonder how much money I `lose' playing Guitar Hero instead of coding. |
| 00:10.45 | shumz | lol |
| 00:11.04 | shumz | im still learning coding |
| 00:11.11 | shumz | doing a computer science degree |
| 00:11.21 | shumz | just cant get me head around java |
| 00:12.40 | shumz | tata, cheerio, toodle doo |
| 00:22.30 | rwhitby | MacNorth: ah, yeah, will look into sjf2410-linux later - will start an rm_work build now |
| 00:22.41 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zecke * r1709 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/src/rfcdate.c: |
| 00:22.41 | CIA-16 | openmoko: openmoko-rssreader: There is still something wrong with formating dates |
| 00:22.41 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Somehow I get funny dates such as 29th of February or 31st of |
| 00:22.41 | CIA-16 | openmoko: April. I don't know where they come from, this somehow looks like |
| 00:22.41 | CIA-16 | openmoko: a off by one in month name calculation. This might come from mrss |
| 00:22.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: and the atom->RSS date conversion. |
| 00:25.26 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zecke * r1710 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/src/ (application-data.h callbacks.c main.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 00:25.26 | CIA-16 | openmoko: openmoko-rssreader: Replace the string representation of the date with RSSRFCDate |
| 00:25.26 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Using a GObject for the date allows us to decouple representation to |
| 00:25.26 | CIA-16 | openmoko: the user (locale aware, shortened to Today) and sorting. |
| 00:25.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Use the sort_model for the TreeView and set a dedicated data_func and |
| 00:25.29 | CIA-16 | openmoko: sort func for the date column. |
| 00:25.31 | CIA-16 | openmoko: dates are sorted by zsort, and even z doesn't understand the logic |
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| 00:41.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zecke * r1711 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/ (autogen.sh m4/ m4/check.m4): |
| 00:41.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: openmoko-rssreader: include check.m4 to make autoreconf work on systems without installed check |
| 00:41.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Check is used for the unit tests and is an optional depedency, |
| 00:41.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: include the check.m4 to make sure autoreconf will not fail. |
| 00:41.33 | zecke | rwhitby: happy easter, your build should not stop working at the rssreader |
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| 00:48.02 | rwhitby | zecke: thx. happy easter to you too |
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| 01:17.24 | zecke | nite |
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| 01:46.20 | MacNorth | rwhitby: i don't know if it's a mmf 'bug' anyway. the bb recipe is most likely out of order |
| 01:47.00 | rwhitby | yeah, you will just need to change the ordering of do_deploy |
| 01:47.06 | rwhitby | it's a common error in the recipes |
| 01:47.23 | rwhitby | look at openocd or dfu-util for an example of the correct ordering |
| 01:48.13 | MacNorth | ok, thanks. enjoy your afternoon, get out in the sun! |
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| 01:57.26 | MacNorth | koen|away: i agree with your sentiment -- branches are not preferable to patches |
| 01:57.31 | MacNorth | le sigh: http://pastebin.ca/429145 |
| 01:58.20 | MacNorth | Dept. of Redudancy Department -- 2 dfu-util recipes in triplicate |
| 02:15.26 | MacNorth | openmoko/trunk/oe/packages/dfu-util/dfu-util-native_svn.bb has: addtask deploy before do_package after do_install |
| 02:15.40 | MacNorth | openembedded/packages/s3c2410-utils/sjf2410-linux-native_20060807.bb has: addtask deploy before do_build after do_compile |
| 02:15.53 | MacNorth | could use some tweaking ;) |
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| 02:55.02 | rwhitby | MacNorth: that's one disadvantage of the frozen OE version - that problem with sjf2410-linux-native has been fixed in OE head. |
| 02:55.25 | MacNorth | meh, sooner or later it'll get caught up :) |
| 02:55.31 | MacNorth | the only expense is hd space |
| 02:56.02 | MacNorth | even with do_rm_work, du -sh still reports 2.3G |
| 02:56.16 | rwhitby | I may have to set up MokoMakefile to be able to patch the frozen OE checkout ... |
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| 03:02.56 | bhima | It doesn't like to boot into linux. |
| 03:14.50 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 03:51.26 | cjb- | Looking at the architecture diagram, the GSM Calypso and WM9784 sound controller have a direct interface-- so Linux wouldn't be able to filter/tap/intercept/whatever the audio going in/out, correct? (I've love to be able to save phonecalls like normal email messages, even if everyone been told its 'illegal surveillance'...) |
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| 04:08.23 | pjz | cjb-: I think that's the equivalent of the sound card having a line in or line out permanently hooked to the GSM, which is okay |
| 04:10.04 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r86 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Added support for patching a frozen openembedded revision |
| 04:10.11 | cjb- | That's what I was thinking. I'd expect there's a telco & government regs requiring that-- exactly from keeping keen hackers from adding their own inline voice scramblers & etc. :) |
| 04:10.26 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r87 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openembedded-e2dbb52fe39df7ef786b6068f6178f29508dfded/ (. series sjf2410-linux-native-rm-work-ordering.patch): Added a patch for rm_work incompatibility in sjf2410-native. |
| 04:11.29 | pjz | cjb-: actually, it *has* to be possible to do that, or else bluetooth headphones are impossible |
| 04:12.00 | pjz | rwhitby: rock on, man |
| 04:14.05 | rwhitby | ~logs |
| 04:14.15 | apt | hmm... logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 04:14.57 | pjz | rwhitby: oh, hey, update-makefile should do: wget $url -O Makefile.new && move Makefile.new Makefile instead of the way you're doing it |
| 04:15.08 | pjz | er, s/move/mv/ |
| 04:15.31 | pjz | rwhitby: cuz right now if the wget fails you're left without a Makefile |
| 04:15.40 | pjz | rwhitby: (since it's been renamed to Makefile.old) |
| 04:17.41 | pjz | counter |
| 04:17.42 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, a day 15:51:09 (8.661 +-8.7 days) (780,148) |
| 04:18.22 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r88 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Changed update-makefile to make sure you're never left without a Makefile. Thanks to Paul Jimenez. |
| 04:18.45 | rwhitby | thx |
| 04:19.24 | pjz | rwhitby: np; I only know that's useful because my cablemodem was being flaky last week ;) |
| 04:22.12 | pjz | rwhitby: btw, thanks muchly for mokomakefile, it's been nice |
| 04:22.34 | rwhitby | you're welcome. |
| 04:22.43 | rwhitby | ~emulate rwhitby |
| 04:22.45 | apt | Another Satisfied Customer! |
| 04:23.35 | pjz | rwhitby: also, fyi, I just did the qemu build under ubuntu and it seemed to go fine - I just had to install gcc-3.4 and libsdl1.2-dev |
| 04:24.08 | rwhitby | yeah, I built under etch and had to do the same thing. |
| 04:24.29 | rwhitby | ok, now my rm_work frozen version build is progressing again. |
| 04:25.22 | rwhitby | and we're not hamstrung by a frozen OE version stopping the build due to the third type of patching capability I added. |
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| 04:27.26 | pjz | nice |
| 04:28.09 | rwhitby | I also made it *not* do a mtn pull if the OE version is frozen and you're already at that version. That should reduce the load on the monotone servers quite a bit, and speed up "make update" for everyone. |
| 04:30.17 | pjz | yeah, paying attention to caching is good :) |
| 04:31.51 | pjz | rwhitby: how goes the MokoSlug? |
| 04:32.41 | rwhitby | pjz: it builds - just working on getting pivot to external rootfs on usb stick working in Angstrom (it works in SlugOS, but we want to base MokoSlug on Angstrom and do things properly this time around). |
| 04:32.53 | pjz | rwhitby: is there an open source sync server yet? |
| 04:33.10 | rwhitby | CoreDump|afk has ported altboot to the NSLU2, so we'll be using that for pivot_root functionality. |
| 04:33.14 | rwhitby | Dunno about the sync server. |
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| 04:33.35 | pjz | I thought a sync server would be a good thing for mokoslug to have |
| 04:33.35 | rwhitby | ok, I'm outta here for about 6 hours. Gotta visit the rellies on Easter day :-) |
| 04:33.46 | pjz | alright have a good one :) |
| 04:33.52 | rwhitby | pjz: if it's in OE, it will be available for MokoSlug |
| 04:34.07 | rwhitby | (after I get rootfs onto external disk working for Angstrom) |
| 04:34.34 | rwhitby | the trick is getting the right stuff in the minimal flash rootfs (you probably won't be syncing to internal flash for instance) |
| 04:34.50 | bhima | There are audio recording apps for a number of different phones. |
| 04:34.55 | rwhitby | however, you will want bluetooth networking in the internal flash, for diskless installations. |
| 04:35.00 | rwhitby | back later |
| 04:35.25 | bhima | And you can even get apps that superimpose audio on the phone call. |
| 04:36.01 | bhima | In the USA, in some states it's legal to record your phone calls without the other party's agreement. |
| 04:36.17 | cjb- | bhima: not the case in Australia, though. |
| 04:37.19 | cjb- | It's always bugged me that one personal communication can be saved and grepped, but another that's conceptually no different from the first is illegal.. |
| 04:37.33 | bhima | cjb: mmm. Just wanted to make sure it was clear that audio recording was not a universally illegal thing. |
| 04:39.20 | bhima | I haven't heard of any FCC rules requiring audio channel un-hackability. Or, for that matter, rules in any other country. |
| 04:40.08 | bhima | The only un-hackability stuff I've heard FCC-wise is modifications to receivers for picking up cellular bands. Wide band receivers need to have tamper-proof 800MHz band blocks. |
| 04:40.25 | cjb | behdad: I'm cjb, not cjb-. ;-) |
| 04:41.21 | cjb | gah! I said that to the wrong person. |
| 04:41.22 | cjb | s/behdad/bhima/ |
| 04:41.22 | cjb | let's just give up on this whole nickname thing. it isn't working out. |
| 04:41.40 | pjz | oof, need to rename cjb to cball and cjb- to cbaird |
| 04:42.30 | cjb- | I'll do that.. (but I'm miffed at having to use a different username for the first time since 1986. :P :) |
| 04:42.47 | pjz | heh |
| 04:43.09 | pjz | well, my usual username is 'pj', and that collides quite often ;) |
| 04:45.25 | bhima | Well, yeah, anyway. In my experience, lobbyists talk a lot about wanting interesting limitations on devices more than they actually manage to get laws passed. |
| 04:46.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MokoMakefile]] [[FAQ]] |
| 04:46.38 | bhima | Most of the annoying limitations on cellphones are just the vendors sucking. |
| 04:48.05 | pjz | bhima: true. The exception is the FCC frequency ones. |
| 04:48.25 | bhima | Of the two WinCE phones I've used, I think one of them passed bluetooth audio through the CPU, and the other had a separate PCM interface. |
| 04:48.46 | pjz | I'm honestly kind of worried about legality of selling neo's in the states if they haven't passed FCC |
| 04:48.51 | bhima | One would mix CPU audio with the remote speech, the other wouldn't, iirc. |
| 04:49.28 | pjz | bhima: yeah, well, since bt is all via the cpu on the Neo, it's got to be grabbable/mixable |
| 04:49.44 | bhima | pjz: I'm pretty certain that it would not be legal at all, but there are so many cellphones being imported that probably never got FCC approval... |
| 04:49.57 | pjz | bhima: true |
| 04:50.20 | cjb | cbaird: terribly sorry. :) |
| 04:50.38 | cjb | cbaird: I bet it's not going to help to note that I was 4 for most of 1986. |
| 04:50.41 | pjz | bhima: though, you know, at this point I think the FCC and its foreign analogues need to figure out some kind of recipricocity. |
| 04:50.47 | bhima | One app I'd like is speech synthesis for when I can type but can't talk. |
| 04:50.55 | pjz | cjb: hehehe |
| 04:51.18 | pjz | bhima: oh, that'd be cool. |
| 04:51.44 | bhima | Phone answers and tells the caller that he'll be hearing my typing. |
| 04:51.46 | cbaird | softmodems? |
| 04:51.46 | aloril | cbaird: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 04:55.40 | bhima | Oh, there's a hardware rev expected in 6 months from now? |
| 04:56.21 | cbaird | cjb: after an era of having account usernames assigned to me as an undergrad, is was a moment of pride that I was finally allowed to choose my own account name-- to have it be 3-letter initials, like like the Unix Demigods dmr, ken, kre, ... :) |
| 04:57.55 | bluelightning | cbaird: the unix world has grown just a little since those days though :) |
| 04:58.04 | cjb | cbaird: a little too similar to djb for my liking, though ;-) |
| 04:59.05 | bhima | my first real UNIX account was 'gf2e'; everybody got first initial , last initial, two random characters. |
| 04:59.11 | cbaird | cjb: eww... (not, not a qmail/djb fan either..) |
| 04:59.27 | bhima | My father in law was on the system in its early days, so he got 'tpn' and a UID of under 100. My UID was ~30k. |
| 05:00.07 | cjb | hah. my boss at OLPC started Project Athena at MIT, so he has UID <100 there. |
| 05:00.25 | cjb | Not me, though. My last university-given ID was "cjb204". |
| 05:00.59 | bhima | My father in law worked on Andrew project at CMU; MIT asked us if they could license our window manager, but IBM had sponsored it and said no. So MIT wrote X. :) |
| 05:02.01 | bhima | The CMU system did not have the silly copy-on-select feature, something I have always despised about X11. |
| 05:02.17 | cjb | bhima: well, we can blame IBM. :) |
| 05:07.08 | pjz | bhima: what do you associate your bluetooth GPS with/ |
| 05:07.19 | pjz | bhima: your phone? or something else/ |
| 05:07.23 | bhima | pjz: normally, my Nokia N800. |
| 05:07.33 | bhima | big screen, maemo mapper. |
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| 05:07.45 | pjz | bhima: yeah, I think you shouldn't need it anymore. |
| 05:08.07 | bhima | The sensitivity of the GPS I got late last year was way, way better than my previous unit. |
| 05:08.27 | bhima | One less device would be nice; one less charger to plug in would really be nice. |
| 05:08.57 | pjz | bhima: yeah, though I'd be okay with as many chargers if they were all the *same* one |
| 05:09.11 | bhima | The GPS at least uses a miniUSB connector. |
| 05:09.12 | pjz | bhima: the world just needs to standardize on mini-usb-as-charger |
| 05:09.20 | pjz | bhima: ah, that's good |
| 05:09.24 | bhima | But my two Nokia gadgets, both current, use different connectors. |
| 05:09.33 | pjz | bhima: yah, ick. |
| 05:09.49 | bhima | n800 has a _tiny_ connector, E70 is much bigger. |
| 05:10.17 | pjz | I've got a moto A780 but I think I blew in some bogus firmware |
| 05:10.42 | pjz | it's not bricked, but man I hate dealing with the windoze moto-firmware tools |
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| 05:11.04 | bhima | That's a Linux phone, yes? How hackable is it now? |
| 05:11.26 | cbaird | prospective app (useful to me): automatic geotagging of camera photo downloads (from comparing the GPS tracklog and the photo's EXIF date information) |
| 05:11.37 | pjz | bhima: somewhat. There's some folk trying to get it up to where they can put openmoko on it, actually (see www.openezx.org) |
| 05:12.09 | bhima | cbaird: Yeah, that would be very nifty. |
| 05:12.22 | bhima | You can get a GPS input for fancier Nikon cameras... |
| 05:12.23 | pjz | cbaird: yeah, just store the GPS data in the EXIF data |
| 05:14.13 | bhima | pjz: Yes, but my camera doesn't really have a way to add that data. |
| 05:14.21 | cbaird | I tried something similar with an 'offline' script, but it was just too much bother download the eTrex tracklog through the pfranc+serial+USB2serial |
| 05:14.33 | bhima | I'll have to post-process it afterwards. |
| 05:15.02 | bhima | cbaird: If you add Google Maps integration that might make it cute enough to be worthwhile... |
| 05:16.02 | bhima | Hrm. It seems that the 1973 won't wake on bluetooth events. |
| 05:17.13 | bluelightning | hmm, perhaps I should stick to the officially produced images... these ones built using MokoMakeFile don't actually seem to work all that well |
| 05:21.00 | cbaird | I'd expect the geotagging would be apart of a general 'Moko onboard photo-download-from-camera app (correct me if I read wrong and it doesn't do USB hosting). Alternatively, it could grovel through the camera's own DCIM/ and add the tags to the existing photos somehow without downloading them first. |
| 05:22.06 | bhima | I wouldn't really expect to download photos from my camera to my phone, though. Unless my phone had a hard drive or something. |
| 05:23.33 | cbaird | Hmm. That 2G microSD limit would crap me a bit.. |
| 05:24.03 | cbaird | *cramp |
| 05:24.43 | bhima | Hmm. I could do NFS to my n800. It's got two full size SD slots... |
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| 05:30.29 | bhima | So why is FIC doing this project? Is there a real strategic goal, or did some people just decide it would be 'fun'? :) |
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| 05:37.05 | paulproteus | NFS over Bluetooth, bhima? (-: |
| 05:37.21 | bhima | Sure. It beats NFS over GPRS! |
| 05:37.22 | paulproteus | re: strategic goal: I think the stuff that came out of FIC in Nov/Dec/Jan was about that. |
| 05:49.57 | pjz | bhima: FIC is doing it because Sean Moss-Pultz is good at evangelism of openness as a way to make money ;) |
| 05:50.10 | pjz | bhima: AFAICT, anyway |
| 05:54.37 | bhima | pjz: heh, thanks. |
| 05:59.29 | bhima | Wait, no place to stick the stylus in on it? |
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| 06:20.22 | bluelightning | woot! successfully made & received a call on my neo for the first time |
| 06:20.40 | bluelightning | well, if you ignore the fact that there was no audio on the neo side... |
| 06:20.47 | bluelightning | still :D |
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| 06:40.24 | TomR | im suprised at how many people are in here. HI everybody! |
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| 06:42.22 | xkr47 | hi :) |
| 06:42.41 | bluelightning | hi TomR |
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| 07:49.48 | Mandarino | Hi |
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| 09:28.04 | ewon | anyone know offhand how well the openmoko will work in the US? I'm from Europe(and hence the land of 100% GSM coverage), but I hear the US can be somewhat different |
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| 09:42.12 | CM | koen|away: Nice bumblebee pic :) |
| 09:47.35 | rwhitby | '';kkkkkkk |
| 09:47.55 | rwhitby | sorry - 2yr old at keyboard :-) |
| 09:51.23 | rwhitby | bluelightning_: the MokoMakefile images with the frozen OE version should be identical to the official images. The previous unfrozen OE ones were not. |
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| 09:52.26 | bluelightning_ | rwhitby: ok... I found I had other issues (mainly thinking that it was now OK to flash without erasing first, which it clearly isn't) so that could have been the source of my problems |
| 09:52.51 | bluelightning_ | next time I reflash I'll do it from a mokomakefile-built image and see what happens |
| 09:53.29 | rwhitby | make sure you've rebuilt from scratch in the last 24 hours with the frozen OE rev |
| 09:56.26 | bluelightning_ | rwhitby: completely from scratch? hmm ok... |
| 09:56.45 | rwhitby | yep, unfortunately. |
| 09:56.58 | rwhitby | no other way to reliably go backwards in time in OE. |
| 09:57.20 | bluelightning | no worries, I'll leave it running overnight |
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| 10:34.19 | aloril | (script) planet: Holger "zecke" Freyther: RSS Reader updates http://zecke.blogspot.com/2007/04/rss-reader-updates.html |
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| 12:21.47 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, a day 11:49:06 (8.492 +-8.5 days) (785,151) |
| 12:31.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FAQ]] |
| 12:33.24 | SpeedEvil | filippo, Fletch - a week or two. |
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| 12:54.25 | filippo | it similar to the time i require to build developer enviroment :-) |
| 12:57.33 | filippo | what you suggest to read to understand the framework? |
| 12:58.21 | filippo | I'm newbee in device development |
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| 14:08.18 | ethernode | Hi |
| 14:08.48 | ethernode | Currently gathering people interested in e17 on openmoko, please tell me if interested |
| 14:22.10 | amarsh04 | what's a good URL for describing e17? |
| 14:22.45 | madwoota | get-e.org ? |
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| 14:25.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[UI_Improvements]] [[Neo1973/ru]] [[Template:Languages]] |
| 14:31.52 | amarsh04 | thanks madwoota |
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| 15:09.04 | den-ros | ethernode: Hi. I am interesting in E17, but for now for hx4700... maybe jastinp was work under it? |
| 15:09.05 | aloril | den-ros: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 15:10.43 | den-ros | aloril: Thanks -will look there. |
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| 15:20.55 | ethernode | jastinp? |
| 15:21.51 | ethernode | For those interested, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/E17 , add your nick/contact in the discussion part so that i can remember :) |
| 15:22.35 | den-ros | ethernode: Sorry, can not remember his nick exect. |
| 15:22.42 | koen | "These libs are quite embedded-oriented" |
| 15:22.44 | koen | heh |
| 15:22.49 | koen | show me 16bit colour support |
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| 15:22.51 | den-ros | :) |
| 15:23.43 | ethernode | hey koen |
| 15:23.51 | ethernode | you made the e17 oe packages , no? |
| 15:24.42 | koen | no |
| 15:24.49 | koen | OE doesn't have packages |
| 15:25.04 | ethernode | i found commits about e17 menu generator |
| 15:25.06 | koen | JustinP made the OE recipes, I build them and uploaded the packages |
| 15:25.07 | ethernode | by YOU :)) |
| 15:25.15 | ethernode | okay |
| 15:25.25 | ethernode | and, what's your opinion about e17 on this devices? |
| 15:25.44 | koen | define e17 |
| 15:26.05 | koen | e-wm, entrance and friend are not suited for this kind of devices |
| 15:26.07 | ethernode | well, the plain real e17, compiled for ARM, but tuned for a small vga screen |
| 15:26.12 | koen | and eem is not a real app |
| 15:26.19 | ethernode | i know |
| 15:26.28 | koen | I'd say something build on evas and edje would be suitable |
| 15:26.35 | ethernode | For instance, how well would e17 run on the neo? |
| 15:26.35 | koen | but 'e17' is way to vague |
| 15:26.40 | ethernode | if trimmed down |
| 15:26.42 | ethernode | the wm |
| 15:26.47 | koen | it wouldn't |
| 15:26.48 | ethernode | i'm talking about the wm |
| 15:26.52 | ethernode | why not? |
| 15:26.54 | koen | e-wm is for the desktop |
| 15:27.05 | koen | it requires a keyboard and three button mouse |
| 15:27.08 | atla | there is e17 for PDAs and stuff |
| 15:27.13 | ethernode | yup |
| 15:27.15 | ethernode | on zauruses |
| 15:27.22 | ethernode | VGA screen |
| 15:27.26 | atla | looks promising |
| 15:27.50 | koen | OMG SCREENSHOT OF E ON A ZAURUS!!!!!!!! |
| 15:27.56 | atla | but still nothing for phones |
| 15:28.44 | zecke | well there is raster's evas demo |
| 15:28.48 | den-ros | I try to connect my Brando like bluetooth keyboard and bluetooth mouse with hx4700 with Angstrom. |
| 15:28.51 | koen | OMG DEMO VIDEO!!!!! |
| 15:28.59 | koen | I MUST WORK!! LOL!!!! |
| 15:29.05 | den-ros | :) |
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| 15:30.43 | ethernode | koen is right :p |
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| 15:31.13 | koen | and FWIW, it would be advisable to ignore anything zaurus related |
| 15:31.20 | koen | unless you want to show a bad example |
| 15:31.24 | ethernode | too different? |
| 15:32.04 | koen | yes |
| 15:32.13 | ethernode | is the neo too slow then? |
| 15:32.22 | koen | no |
| 15:32.22 | ethernode | is the X server too "simple"? |
| 15:32.24 | koen | no |
| 15:32.27 | ethernode | so? |
| 15:32.32 | mickey|bbl | actually kergoth and me did the first shot at the e packages, but anyway ;) |
| 15:32.37 | ethernode | only an input related pb? |
| 15:32.44 | koen | ethernode: does the neo have a keyboard? |
| 15:32.48 | koen | or a 3 button mouse? |
| 15:32.53 | ethernode | no, but we can use gestures |
| 15:32.57 | koen | or a 1024x768 75dpi screen? |
| 15:33.02 | koen | heh |
| 15:33.06 | koen | "gestures" |
| 15:33.11 | ethernode | 640*480 is pretty awesome ! |
| 15:33.14 | koen | you really have no idea |
| 15:33.24 | koen | 640x480 on 300DPI |
| 15:33.36 | koen | that's effectively 200x160 |
| 15:33.42 | zecke | mickey|bbl: hi :) |
| 15:34.04 | ethernode | -> mickey: and did it run? |
| 15:34.27 | koen | repeat after me: evas/edje/etk makes sense on embedded |
| 15:34.28 | ethernode | no idea about? |
| 15:34.38 | koen | repeat after me: e-wm does NOT make sense on embedded |
| 15:35.30 | ethernode | e-wm modules arch already exists |
| 15:35.39 | ethernode | as well as a pager |
| 15:35.50 | ethernode | and many useful thingies that could be used ! |
| 15:36.15 | ethernode | why woul'nt e-wm make sense if you stick every app in a dedicated virtual desktop? |
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| 15:36.31 | ethernode | using the pager to switch apps? |
| 15:37.02 | ethernode | i know, newbies are boring |
| 15:37.24 | den-ros | What about for example something like twm...:) ? to use with BT keyboard and mouse.. |
| 15:37.53 | koen | which ignorant n00b keeps reverting stuff? |
| 15:38.03 | den-ros | twm can looks pretty enough... |
| 15:38.18 | ethernode | ok, sorry, i had'nt understood why a section had disappeared |
| 15:38.25 | ethernode | >.< |
| 15:38.39 | ethernode | i'm the ignorant n00b |
| 15:38.40 | koen | "remove bogus 'port' links and references to unmaintained binary crap" |
| 15:38.53 | koen | the wiki has a changelog message for a reason |
| 15:39.16 | ethernode | okay |
| 15:39.18 | ethernode | sorry |
| 15:39.56 | ethernode | and, NO, i didn't simply watch the eem video thinking: wow it works |
| 15:40.28 | ethernode | may you please point me towards the maintained resources then? |
| 15:40.48 | ethernode | at least give meaningful resources to these useful noobs that just want to try? |
| 15:41.01 | ethernode | to the wiki? |
| 15:41.21 | ethernode | (sorry, replace useful by "useless") |
| 15:42.15 | koen | everything you need for EFL is already in OE |
| 15:42.26 | koen | so no need to link to packages or build descriptions |
| 15:43.01 | koen | and EEM really does nothing, it's just a menu that scrolls |
| 15:43.06 | ethernode | i KNOW |
| 15:43.09 | koen | it won't be developed |
| 15:43.20 | ethernode | yes, but it may be a starting point |
| 15:43.28 | ethernode | for useless noobs wanting to learn efls |
| 15:44.11 | koen | I suggest buying K&R for those people |
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| 15:45.15 | zecke | koen: behave or you end up without a bot snack tonight :) |
| 15:45.28 | ethernode | if only you didn't say "those" with a little less disgust... |
| 15:45.40 | koen | zecke: it's forbidden to advise K&R nowadays? |
| 15:46.07 | zecke | koen: sure it is |
| 15:46.12 | ethernode | koen: it's forbidden to show patience and politeness? |
| 15:46.28 | koen | ethernode: you asked advice, I gave it and you didn't listen |
| 15:47.06 | koen | I tried explaining it further, you didn't listen |
| 15:47.55 | ethernode | I don't see why not having a physical keyboard and mouse is the most blocking element |
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| 15:47.58 | koen | I tried explaining that e-wm requires a keyboard and mouse and a big, 100dpi screen |
| 15:48.08 | koen | you didn't listen |
| 15:48.50 | ethernode | You mean, e17 NEEDS a physical, hard, keyboard to launch? |
| 15:48.55 | ethernode | + mouse? |
| 15:49.04 | koen | I tried explaing that everything you need is in OE, but you didn't listen |
| 15:49.29 | koen | ethernode: I said 'e-wm' |
| 15:49.43 | koen | stop trying to confuse people by saying 'e17' |
| 15:50.03 | ethernode | ok |
| 15:50.06 | ethernode | my fault |
| 15:50.23 | koen | have you actually used e-wm on a touchscreen? |
| 15:50.37 | koen | and/or on a device with out a keyboard? |
| 15:51.36 | koen | or on a 300dpi screen? |
| 15:51.41 | ethernode | no |
| 15:51.54 | koen | I thought so |
| 15:52.11 | ethernode | i know |
| 15:52.30 | ethernode | but why shoudn't i try? |
| 15:52.38 | Stephmw | actually, this testcase would be an ideal use of the emulator |
| 15:52.43 | koen | I used e-wm for some months on my netbook pro (touchscreen, 800x600, 120dpi, keyboard, 400MHz armv5te with 256MB ram) and it was barely useable |
| 15:53.12 | koen | since you can't (easily) remap things to only require one mousebutton (the stylus) |
| 15:53.23 | ethernode | wait, e-wm is the regular, stock e17 window manager? |
| 15:53.33 | bhima | Ooh. 300 dpi LCD? What has that? |
| 15:53.41 | koen | and 95% of the operations needs ctrl+click alt+click or ctrl-drag, etc |
| 15:53.50 | koen | bhima: the neo1973 phone |
| 15:54.02 | ethernode | alt+click = moving windows = unneccessary on handeld |
| 15:54.24 | bhima | koen: wow. Didn't realize it was _that_ high. |
| 15:54.26 | koen | wm = unneccessary on handheld |
| 15:54.29 | ethernode | lol |
| 15:54.30 | ethernode | :) |
| 15:54.36 | koen | bhima: 280 dpi to be exact |
| 15:54.48 | koen | so you have a *tiny* screen where all apps run fullscreen |
| 15:54.59 | ethernode | yes |
| 15:55.06 | ethernode | but how do you switch between apps? |
| 15:55.11 | ethernode | or watch time |
| 15:55.21 | bhima | You ssh in and kill -9 the app in front. |
| 15:55.22 | ethernode | or look at gprs signal? |
| 15:55.24 | koen | with openmoko-footer and on my watch |
| 15:55.25 | ethernode | lol |
| 15:55.33 | koen | the gprs signal is on the top panel |
| 15:55.35 | ethernode | very practical for daily use |
| 15:55.56 | koen | what has a panel to do with a wm? |
| 15:56.13 | bhima | ethernode: well, in my other pocket, I have an n800, and in my other other pocket, I have a keyboard, so sshing in to my phone isn't too hard. |
| 15:56.51 | koen | bhima: you might have trouble setting up a bluetooth connection on the n800 ;) |
| 15:57.03 | bhima | koen: hrm...? |
| 15:57.14 | ethernode | in fact, i'm more interested in e17's shelves and modules features than pure wm |
| 15:57.17 | koen | (no wifi on the neo) |
| 15:57.32 | koen | ethernode: you didn't say that |
| 15:57.50 | koen | (how many times have I asked you what you meant with 'e17'?) |
| 15:57.52 | ethernode | okay; but could these features be reused without using e-wm? |
| 15:57.58 | ethernode | sorry, again >.< |
| 15:58.11 | bhima | koen: I could set up dund on the neo with a shell. |
| 15:58.13 | pjz | ethernode: did you read the e17 page on the wiki? I think it mostly says that. |
| 15:58.13 | koen | yes, those could be reused without e-wm |
| 15:58.28 | ethernode | i used the term wm too slightly |
| 15:58.28 | koen | bhima: right, that would rock, btw |
| 15:59.09 | ethernode | ... how? |
| 15:59.43 | ethernode | can it work without the huge EFL suite? |
| 15:59.44 | koen | I'd say, embedd an evas surface in a gtk window |
| 15:59.47 | bhima | Actually, one thing I need to finish working on is a Konfabulator widget that lets you send URLs or text or stuff over bluetooth to the n800 / 770. |
| 16:00.15 | ethernode | but wouldn't gtk slow evas down? |
| 16:00.21 | koen | bhima: I'd settle for something that syncs with my mac |
| 16:00.23 | bhima | So when you have your maemo device next to your laptop or desktop, you get a little floating window that lets you do nifty stuff with it. |
| 16:00.29 | koen | ethernode: why would it? |
| 16:00.41 | bhima | koen: I sync my n800 with my mac every day... |
| 16:01.12 | koen | ethernode: all gtk does is initialize a window for evas to paint in |
| 16:01.22 | koen | bhima: with isync or rsync? |
| 16:01.27 | ethernode | Ok, if you can embed an evas surface in a gtk window without any performance loss... |
| 16:01.28 | bhima | rsync. :) |
| 16:01.35 | ethernode | okok |
| 16:01.38 | koen | bhima: cheater! |
| 16:01.54 | ethernode | but can we take the gadcon code ? |
| 16:01.57 | bhima | koen: well, I don't use any apps on my n800 that would sync with isync, so I'm not _realy_ cheatng. |
| 16:02.19 | koen | bhima: I'd like to have the built-in addressbook to be synced |
| 16:02.27 | koen | bhima: and integrated with maemo-mapper ;) |
| 16:02.39 | bhima | koen: I only use the address book for jabber, and that auto-syncs. |
| 16:04.11 | bhima | Actually, one thing I'd like to do is link maemo mapper on my 770 and n800. |
| 16:04.31 | bhima | So when I'm driving somewhere, my wife can do navigation stuff on the n800 while I stare at the 770. |
| 16:05.11 | koen | that'd be cool |
| 16:05.27 | bhima | http://homepage.mac.com/gopiballava/gopimobile/ |
| 16:05.40 | koen | ethernode: one of the plans is to move fingerbased openmoko apps to evas |
| 16:05.48 | koen | ethernode: and canola will switch to evas |
| 16:06.03 | koen | but before that can happen it needs to support 16bit colourdepth |
| 16:06.53 | ethernode | okay, that's an answear :) |
| 16:07.12 | ethernode | the neo's display is 16bit only? you mean evas only does 24? |
| 16:07.21 | koen | yes, and yes |
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| 16:08.13 | mickey|bbl | i can't tell ya more, but EFL received a massive interest-boost since yesterday |
| 16:08.26 | mickey|bbl | i demoed it |
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| 16:09.05 | koen | mickey|bbl: :) |
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| 16:09.16 | ethernode | demoed? please pardon my non-native englishspeaking skills |
| 16:09.29 | koen | bbl, the big ham on the table is asking for some interest |
| 16:09.52 | mickey|bbl | i did a presentation |
| 16:10.10 | mickey|bbl | talking 30min about EFL and its possible impact if used in current / future products |
| 16:10.15 | mickey|bbl | from my personal POV |
| 16:10.21 | mickey|bbl | (point of view) |
| 16:10.36 | ethernode | ok, demonstrated |
| 16:10.38 | mickey|bbl | ya |
| 16:10.44 | ethernode | thx |
| 16:10.46 | mickey|bbl | np |
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| 16:11.10 | ethernode | but a full-EFL environment is unrealistic, right? |
| 16:11.31 | bhima | EFL? |
| 16:11.56 | ethernode | Enlightenment Foundation Libraries |
| 16:11.59 | mickey|bbl | I'm solely speaking about the libraries |
| 16:12.06 | mickey|bbl | i have little interest in their apps |
| 16:12.34 | ethernode | but e17's gadcon and modules features are of no interest to openmoko? |
| 16:12.54 | mickey|bbl | not for direct usage. as a UI role model it's nice |
| 16:13.09 | mickey|bbl | but who knows |
| 16:13.14 | mickey|bbl | i have yet to run it on my Neo |
| 16:13.17 | mickey|bbl | *time* |
| 16:13.19 | zecke | raise TooMuchSweetsError() :} |
| 16:13.20 | pjz | "how's the phase 1 ship date looking? |
| 16:13.27 | pjz | speaking of time :) |
| 16:14.17 | ethernode | I have another question: can maemo apps run on non-maemo devices? Could the neo become a maemo device? |
| 16:14.31 | mickey|bbl | some of them yes |
| 16:14.38 | mickey|bbl | in theory yes, in practice no way |
| 16:14.48 | ethernode | corporate stuff... |
| 16:15.01 | ethernode | you mean, using them? |
| 16:15.02 | mickey|bbl | speed and UI paradigms being the showstoppers |
| 16:15.09 | ethernode | ah |
| 16:15.30 | mickey|bbl | maemo is "the desktop PC experience on an internet tablet" |
| 16:15.45 | mickey|bbl | which is cool |
| 16:15.51 | mickey|bbl | but i doubt that it works for a smartphone |
| 16:16.03 | ethernode | too bad clutter can't be used |
| 16:16.12 | mickey|bbl | not on this model |
| 16:16.16 | mickey|bbl | :) |
| 16:16.35 | zecke | mickey|bbl: aha |
| 16:16.41 | pjz | so I can carry a desktop around with me |
| 16:16.53 | ethernode | yes, but won't it break too many things when upgrading to an OpenGL-enabled model? |
| 16:17.04 | ethernode | i mean, everything will be to restart from scratch, |
| 16:17.05 | ethernode | ? |
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| 16:17.36 | ethernode | Yes, but you can run qemu from windows with you neo |
| 16:18.13 | mickey|bbl | well |
| 16:18.14 | mickey|bbl | it's X |
| 16:18.42 | pjz | mickey|bbl: resist NIH syndrome |
| 16:18.58 | mickey|bbl | *nod* |
| 16:19.03 | mickey|bbl | it's tempting though ;) |
| 16:19.04 | bhima | maemo apps are designed for quite high res screens, so porting them would probably be easier than porting from other gtk systems. |
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| 16:20.26 | ethernode | ok |
| 16:20.59 | ethernode | well, sorry to have said too many dumb things, i'll try to LISTEN better |
| 16:21.15 | ethernode | some things cleared in my mind though |
| 16:21.16 | ethernode | thx |
| 16:21.17 | ethernode | bye |
| 16:21.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Bootable_USB_device_emulation]] [[E17]] [[Neo1973/ru]] [[Talk:E17]] [[UI_Improvements]] [[Booting_from_SD]] |
| 16:33.04 | sannes | counter |
| 16:33.04 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, a day 09:43:28 (8.405 +-8.4 days) (786,151) |
| 16:33.23 | bhima | What does the counter mean? |
| 16:33.41 | sannes | hm, I feel like a kid in the bactseat of a car .. "are we there yet? are we there yet?" |
| 16:34.34 | pjz | bhima: its about how long until Phase 1 release |
| 16:34.36 | sannes | bhima: says when people may be able to order neo 1973 phones .. and when I say people I mean developers .. |
| 16:35.11 | sannes | (or other people that want to hurt themselves :P) |
| 16:35.24 | bhima | developers as in people with some official status, or developers as in anybody brave enough? |
| 16:35.42 | sannes | the brave :) |
| 16:35.49 | bhima | Ahh, ok, right. So in a week I need to make up my mind. Hrm. |
| 16:35.58 | pjz | anyone know the current kernel version for openmoko? |
| 16:36.14 | sannes | not really, you can wait for even longer .. :P |
| 16:36.43 | pjz | the latest dynamic tick stuff should be very helpful powersavings-wise |
| 16:38.10 | bhima | So does the neo1973 definitely support dyntick? |
| 16:38.59 | pjz | I don't know what that question means |
| 16:39.29 | roh | pjz we are at 2.6.20.4-moko8 |
| 16:39.34 | bhima | dyntick doesn't really work on the 770, for example, when you enable its serial port. |
| 16:39.59 | roh | i dunno about dyntick, but i think we are not even started really saving power at the current hw |
| 16:40.05 | bhima | I think there are some other hardware options that prevent it from either working or being useful, I forget which. |
| 16:40.54 | bhima | if I did the math right, I think the wiki indicated a day or two of battery with the CPU running and bluetooth live. |
| 16:41.13 | bhima | Which is really enough for me. |
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| 16:51.49 | PBeck | tag |
| 16:53.06 | bhima | notit |
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| 16:57.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zecke * r1712 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/src/ (application-data.h callbacks.c main.c): openmoko-rssreader: Implement filtering the feed categories |
| 17:04.15 | aloril2 | bhima: I think P1 ETA is from few days to 3 weeks depending on how stability problem is solved (see [[Neo1973]] |
| 17:05.00 | aloril2 | about requirements for buying P1, see [[FAQ]] |
| 17:05.50 | bhima | aloril2: Ok, thanks. |
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| 17:06.20 | bhima | It routed the CPU clock all over the place... |
| 17:06.38 | bhima | It didn't do the best for stability. :) |
| 17:07.30 | cbpage | ooooops |
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| 17:16.45 | bhima | I've realized that, for many of the things that would make an open source phone valuable to me, WiFi is important. VoIP related least cost routing is one of my two killer features. |
| 17:17.02 | bhima | The other is properly programmable notification options with context sensitivity. |
| 17:17.27 | bhima | I want to program how my phone responds to an SMS I don't read. |
| 17:17.43 | bhima | Increasing nag level. |
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| 17:19.33 | koen | bhima: "properly programmable" is "settings panel" or "patch C code"? |
| 17:21.10 | bhima | koen: The UI designer in me wants it to be expressed in a nice, easy to comprehend UI. The python developer in me wants it to be programmable in python if there isn't a UI. But my wife will loan me her copy of K&R if I realize that I've forgotten more C than I should've. :) |
| 17:21.50 | bhima | I've only found this sort of option in Motorola phones. And they didn't give you any programmability in how it nagged you. |
| 17:23.19 | den-ros | I just end raw translate to russian - page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973/ru |
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| 17:33.55 | cbaird | another GPS-related want-list-entry: a stolen-phone tracking system :) |
| 17:34.24 | bhima | Somebody at a show stole a prototype Siemens SX-1 with GPS tracking features. |
| 17:34.36 | SuN | Nice... takes some guts :) |
| 17:34.52 | bhima | Actually, it took some ignorance. :) |
| 17:35.01 | bhima | They found them. |
| 17:36.21 | cbaird | Stories like that happen often.. Someone in the UK stole a GPS-tracked delivery van a few weeks ago, and it was a no-brainer finding him. :) |
| 17:36.49 | bhima | I did read that a top-tier german car executive had his armored vehicle stolen. |
| 17:37.02 | bhima | It had every sort of tracking system they would imagine... |
| 17:37.18 | bhima | He parked it for 20 minutes visiting somebody's house. |
| 17:37.30 | bhima | It was never found. |
| 17:37.35 | Basheri | :O |
| 17:39.43 | cbaird | With stolen computers, it's typical that the harddrive gets wiped before being passed on. What's the routine for stolen mobile phones? |
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| 17:40.18 | bhima | I think that in Europe they're doing a lot of IMEI blocking. |
| 17:41.35 | bhima | In the US, it still seems like people don't know about SIM cards. |
| 17:44.17 | cbaird | I've noted that most of the remotely-recovered stolen laptop success stories have all had the perp being 'socioeconomically deprived'.. that is, not the type to know of harddrive-wiping.. |
| 17:44.17 | SpeedEvil | In the UK, it's been reported that the time till it gets blocked is under 2 days in 90% of cases. |
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| 17:46.00 | SpeedEvil | If it's reported stolen that is. |
| 17:46.12 | SpeedEvil | They get sold overseas. |
| 17:47.28 | cbaird | With my 'moko, I'm planning on having it record a GPS fix every hour and emailing that to a filter here. Even better would being able to ssh into the phone and get a continous track. Probably doable in Australia, where stolen phones don't immediately get shipped overseas. |
| 17:48.00 | cbaird | I expect in Europe, it's probably the case the the phone wouldn't even be turned on again until it's left the country. :/ |
| 17:48.11 | bhima | I'm figuring better than hourly, but adaptive in agreement with the server. |
| 17:48.22 | bhima | The server can request higher speed upates if it wants. |
| 17:48.55 | SpeedEvil | No reason why the phone can't go on on RTC every hour. |
| 17:48.57 | bhima | AFAIK, none of the networks allow inbound TCP, so you'll need some sort of reverse tunelling thing. |
| 17:49.16 | cbaird | Reverse tunnel SSH was implied. :) |
| 17:49.35 | SpeedEvil | Also, look on the wiki under My_Account for ideas on what happens to stolen neos. |
| 17:49.35 | bhima | About three years ago, TMobile US allowed tcp _inside_ their network. :) |
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| 17:51.45 | cbaird | Making it too obvious that the phone has tracking abilities /might/ not be a great idea.. The chav's first reaction will be to smash it. :/ |
| 17:58.51 | sannes | hm, auto run on the sd card and tracking could be fun :D |
| 17:59.43 | high-rez | counter |
| 17:59.44 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, a day 09:00:08 (8.375 +-8.4 days) (787,151) |
| 18:01.49 | Basheri | I really want the wifi =) |
| 18:02.25 | bhima | The crippled wifi-less phone from Cingular had wifi removed due to cost, I believe, according to NOkia people I spoke to. |
| 18:02.25 | bhima | Cingular cells phones with wifi, just not this one. |
| 18:02.34 | Basheri | ok :O |
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| 18:17.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FAQ]] [[Main_Page/ru]] [[Neo1973/ru]] [[Wishlist:Bootable_USB_device_emulation]] |
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| 18:20.21 | jaj | Hi! |
| 18:20.27 | Vegar | I want to get started translating .po files |
| 18:20.58 | jaj | does anybody know when it will be possible to purchase an openmoko mobile? |
| 18:20.58 | aloril | jaj: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 18:21.20 | neostrider | hello folks |
| 18:21.28 | jaj | I heard it would be on Apr 1 |
| 18:22.02 | jaj | sorry for the noise, I should have checked the FAQ ;) |
| 18:22.11 | SpeedEvil | Alas, no. |
| 18:22.15 | SpeedEvil | week or two. |
| 18:22.20 | SpeedEvil | It looks like. |
| 18:23.11 | Vegar | (at least) |
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| 18:28.10 | neostrider | any chance of getting the neo on Brazil? |
| 18:28.29 | koen | neostrider: in an affordable way? |
| 18:28.41 | neostrider | hahahaha |
| 18:28.46 | neostrider | preferably |
| 18:28.55 | koen | there was atleast one neo in brazil last month :) |
| 18:29.06 | neostrider | Bossa conference? |
| 18:29.13 | koen | yes |
| 18:29.34 | koen | bossa conference was awesome |
| 18:30.27 | MacNorth | morning folks :) |
| 18:30.47 | neostrider | I wanted to go |
| 18:30.52 | neostrider | but I live too far |
| 18:30.58 | neostrider | Rio de Janeiro |
| 18:31.13 | neostrider | I wanted to see the maemo code tutorial... |
| 18:32.46 | SpeedEvil | neostrider: it's going to sell worldwide for $350US + shipping. |
| 18:32.56 | neostrider | nice =-D |
| 18:33.16 | neostrider | is there any restriction to having openmoko SDK+Maemo SDK on the same box? |
| 18:35.18 | koen | no, since openmoko doesn't use scarebox :) |
| 18:36.26 | neostrider | hahah...what does it use? |
| 18:36.32 | neostrider | scratchbox is not that bad... |
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| 19:41.53 | Vegar | qemu-neo1973: how do I launch the onscreen keyboard? |
| 19:43.20 | roh | Vegar click on the white fielt on the upper left |
| 19:43.35 | Vegar | there is no white field |
| 19:44.40 | kmeyer | I'm running mokomakefile's setup atm... I'm getting 5kiB/s off openembedded.org, is that more likely limited on my end or the website's end? |
| 19:45.20 | koen | kmeyer: I get 2.5MByte/s to oe.org from my buildhost |
| 19:45.21 | buz_ | i think its slow for everyone |
| 19:45.43 | kmeyer | hehe |
| 19:45.53 | kmeyer | koen: are they next to each other? |
| 19:45.54 | roh | Vegar you got the touchscreen-calibration dialog first, and then the 'desktop' ? |
| 19:46.10 | Vegar | yes |
| 19:46.53 | roh | Vegar in the upper bar should be one button on the left, and the second should flip on the keyboard |
| 19:47.39 | Vegar | there's the menu button |
| 19:47.43 | Vegar | but not that white box |
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| 19:47.58 | Vegar | how do I reboot? |
| 19:53.00 | koen | kmeyer: no, 600 km apart |
| 19:53.28 | kmeyer | koen: I hate european 100mbit home lines :P |
| 19:53.38 | kmeyer | I have 512kbit down at home. |
| 19:54.01 | koen | not a home line, it's the server in the lab |
| 19:55.14 | kmeyer | yeah |
| 19:55.15 | kmeyer | oh well |
| 19:56.15 | koen | (I did have a 100Mbit home line in the past) |
| 19:56.47 | bhima | Unlimited traffic? |
| 19:57.29 | koen | 150GB internal and 15GB external per week |
| 19:57.43 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
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| 20:00.50 | kmeyer | exactly |
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| 20:09.09 | filippo | hello all. where is root shell in qemu image? |
| 20:13.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] |
| 20:26.42 | Magon | koen: you have university account? :-) |
| 20:29.16 | koen | Magon: I had till I moved |
| 20:31.24 | Magon | university connections are the best you can probably get, at least in czech |
| 20:34.48 | kmeyer | .nl has good connections |
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| 20:36.53 | koen | Magon: I lied, I still have a uni account, but only behind 1mbit cable now |
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| 20:42.40 | dilinger | u |
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| 20:50.19 | Vegar | meh |
| 20:50.46 | Vegar | I wish there was a list of .pot files and an easy way to submit .po files |
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| 21:04.53 | Elrond | Hmm, there are enough .de developers for openmoko, so .de translations aren't needed, I guess? |
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| 21:45.36 | kmeyer | 4kiB/s from Oe.org... |
| 21:45.38 | kmeyer | :-( |
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| 21:48.05 | giggls | does anybody of the developers have a working GPS? |
| 21:48.48 | cjb | Does the GPS driver exist yet? |
| 21:48.51 | giggls | I would be interested in accuracy comparisons with Sirf III |
| 21:50.15 | giggls | cjb: as far as I understood LaF0rges Blog the daemon is proprietary but working |
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| 21:50.58 | cjb | oh, ok. I haven't seen the binary for the daemon anywhere. |
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| 21:54.22 | Elrond | giggls - Can you dig up that blog entry? |
| 21:54.26 | giggls | cjb: I did not yet download any code, I just read the blog |
| 21:55.56 | giggls | hm http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2006/11/08/#20061108-openmoko-gpl-clarification |
| 21:56.21 | giggls | not exactly talking about "working" proprietary code |
| 21:56.35 | Elrond | Okay, that's old. |
| 21:56.56 | Elrond | So AFAIK the only people who ever saw the thing working, are the GL people, when they were at FIC. |
| 21:57.06 | Elrond | GL := Global Locate. |
| 21:58.10 | giggls | Elrond: I would like to see some Real World comparisons with Sirf III, because Sirf III is _very_ good |
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| 22:04.22 | SpeedEvil | In theory. |
| 22:04.37 | SpeedEvil | We have the 'dumb' output from the chip, and this is quite sensitive. |
| 22:04.51 | SpeedEvil | We can then cook it (after reverse engineering) in a GPL'd bit. |
| 22:04.58 | SpeedEvil | into a position. |
| 22:05.06 | SpeedEvil | And tweak that as much as we like. |
| 22:05.32 | SpeedEvil | Including things like software correction of ionospheric errors by downloading a packet from a server. |
| 22:05.42 | giggls | SpeedEvil: I try to figure out how suitable openmoko would be for openstreetmap maping |
| 22:05.51 | SpeedEvil | very. |
| 22:06.05 | SpeedEvil | The spec on the GPS is one position within 5m, within 1s of powerup. |
| 22:06.16 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 22:06.35 | SpeedEvil | You can - though not with the current software do really fun stuff. |
| 22:07.23 | SpeedEvil | Like recording the 'dumb' output of the chip, and then correcting the positions by downloading later - at home - the ionospheric corrections. |
| 22:07.28 | SpeedEvil | which should give you well sub 2m positions. |
| 22:07.35 | SpeedEvil | ideally. |
| 22:07.53 | SpeedEvil | Minor annoyance is no camera of course. |
| 22:08.13 | SpeedEvil | But it can do bluetooth, or direct voice logging. |
| 22:08.39 | giggls | SpeedEvil: yes, but waypoints with voice recording would be very nice to have |
| 22:08.44 | SpeedEvil | indeed. |
| 22:09.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] |
| 22:09.26 | SpeedEvil | plugging it into a powered hub in your car, and attaching several webcams to the hub may be interesting too. |
| 22:10.01 | mjr | ...and a usb hd for all that data... ;] |
| 22:10.07 | Vegar | yeah, if host mode works |
| 22:10.30 | mjr | also, the usb 1.1 might start getting clogged at that point |
| 22:10.45 | SpeedEvil | it's not that much data if you only take a pic on triggering. |
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| 22:14.47 | SpeedEvil | It's not bad for a megapixelish image on demand. |
| 22:15.29 | mjr | mmyah |
| 22:21.04 | Elrond | Can current DSLRs be controlled via usb these days? |
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| 22:27.23 | SpeedEvil | I suppose so. |
| 22:27.46 | SpeedEvil | Annoyingly, my cams can't. |
| 22:28.28 | Elrond | My can't either. |
| 22:28.45 | Elrond | It does only active its usb in a special usb mode. In which the camera does nothing else. |
| 22:28.54 | SpeedEvil | Ditto. |
| 22:29.18 | SpeedEvil | It's got mass storage, and another mode, which could in theory support |
| 22:29.25 | SpeedEvil | taking pics, but doesn't. |
| 22:29.28 | SpeedEvil | As the camera doesn't. |
| 22:29.43 | Elrond | Yeah. |
| 22:32.04 | ajturner | Elrond - yeah, depends on the cam |
| 22:32.16 | ajturner | Pentax released an update to the *istD* series that allows it |
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| 22:51.01 | Vegar | are there any possibilities of high-capacity batteries for the neo in the future? |
| 22:52.12 | Elrond | Vegar - a) external batteries b) BL-5C compatible batteries. |
| 22:52.57 | SpeedEvil | It's also moderately trivial to make alternate backs with stuff in. |
| 22:53.04 | SpeedEvil | Which could be insanely large batteries. |
| 22:53.06 | Vegar | I was thinking about batteries from FIC |
| 22:54.59 | Vegar | but BL-5C compatible batteries will do too |
| 22:56.38 | Vegar | oh |
| 22:57.09 | bhima | If you get a sexy Nikon, you can control it via wifi. |
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| 23:09.35 | MacNorth | and don't forget: http://store.makezine.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MKMINTY&Show=ExtInfo |
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| 23:14.57 | Vegar | hehe |
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| 23:38.32 | rwhitby | morning |
| 23:39.45 | Basheri | night |
| 23:39.58 | Vegar | what's the aux button used for? |
| 23:40.02 | Vegar | 911 calls? |
| 23:40.05 | rwhitby | no |
| 23:40.22 | rwhitby | anything it is programmed to do. at the moment, the only thing that uses it is the bootloader. |
| 23:40.28 | Vegar | ok |
| 23:40.44 | Vegar | so there are chances it might be used to open the onscreen keyboard? |
| 23:41.04 | rwhitby | that could easily be done. |
| 23:41.26 | rwhitby | whether it will be or not is another matter. mechanism is easy, policy is hard, in this case. |
| 23:42.33 | dho | contextual behavior would be nice |
| 23:43.05 | Vegar | or configurable behaviour |
| 23:43.15 | MacNorth | mmf's make run-qemu-snapshot boots :) |
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