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| 00:05.33 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1669 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/data/ (RSS.png openmoko-rssreader.desktop openmoko-rssreader.png): openmoko-rssreader: change icon name to work around bug in libmatchbox (chokes on icon names less than 5 characters...) |
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| 00:06.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1670 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-mainmenu/data/openmoko-mainmenu.desktop: openmoko-mainmenu: typo in Name |
| 00:10.14 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1671 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/examples/ (3 files in 3 dirs): examples: fix icon names in .desktop files |
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| 00:19.08 | TimeWolf | so.. are those neo1973s out yet? |
| 00:19.08 | aloril | TimeWolf: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 00:19.41 | CoreDump|home | tigert: nope |
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| 00:36.19 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: qemu-neo1973 |
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| 00:45.11 | MacNorth | heh http://www.consumerist.com/consumer/iphone/rumor-iphone-battery-lasts-for-only-40-minutes-of-talk-time-249929.php |
| 00:45.34 | MacNorth | good ol' Dvorak |
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| 00:47.23 | MacNorth | he's like the sun at night |
| 00:47.31 | MacNorth | or the fool when it's not april 1st |
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| 01:20.46 | loufoque | when the battery is empty, your phone actually gets lighter. |
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| 01:25.34 | balrog-kun | and if you keep draining it more, you get to a point where it has negative mass? |
| 01:25.51 | SpeedEvil | Not really, no. |
| 01:26.13 | balrog-kun | but at least lighter than air, right? |
| 01:26.27 | SpeedEvil | However, a 4Wh battery has 15KJ or so. |
| 01:27.11 | SpeedEvil | 1Kg is equal to 10^17J or so. |
| 01:27.39 | SpeedEvil | So 15KJ is around 10^-13Kg or so change in weight. |
| 01:29.12 | SpeedEvil | Or .000000000005 change. |
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| 01:37.14 | alphaone | koen: Ping |
| 01:46.55 | MacNorth | heh, SpeedEvil: see the link a few lines above. we're taking the piss out of the iphone :) |
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| 04:37.16 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r78 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ (4 files): Removed obsolete patches |
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| 04:47.06 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: ping |
| 04:47.37 | rwhitby | You've forgotten to commit the definition of CHR_IOCTL_MODEM_SET_AFC in vl.h |
| 04:47.47 | rwhitby | So qemu-neo1973 fails to build now. |
| 04:47.55 | rwhitby | Let me take a stab at fixing it ... |
| 04:48.38 | rwhitby | " assuming they are just allocated monotonically as required. |
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| 04:52.09 | rwhitby | mickey|zzZZzz: could you please grant me commit write access to the qemu tree? balrog-kun asked me to commit directly while he was away, and the build is currently broken. |
| 04:53.32 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r79 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ (qemu-fix-missing-ioctl-definition.patch series): add definition for CHR_IOCTL_MODEM_SET_AFC (guessing that it should be 9) to fix the broken build. |
| 04:54.16 | rwhitby | ok, mokomakefile will fix the build until it's fixed upstream (either by balrog-kun or by mickey|zzZZzz giving me commit access to that area) |
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| 05:14.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] [[Input_Method]] |
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| 05:34.48 | CoreDump|afk | !ombug 406 |
| 05:34.50 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 406, Status: RESOLVED (DUPLICATE), Created: Unknown |
| 05:34.50 | cdbot2 | * * eric_liu1(AT)fic.com.tw: neo1973 isn't trun on ,because battery volt low.(Use it some time later) |
| 05:34.51 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=406 |
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| 06:01.29 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 2 days 14:59:15 (9.624 +-9.6 days) (768,147) |
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| 06:12.34 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r80 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ (qemu-flash-alternate-location-fixes.patch series): qemu: Fixed flash.sh to work properly when given an alternate image directory |
| 06:15.03 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r81 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Added download-images, flash-qemu-official, flash-qemu-local, run-qemu and run-qemu-snapshot targets |
| 06:16.04 | rwhitby | ok, that completes qemu support in MokoMakefile. "make qemu" will build qemu, download the latest official images, flash those images, and run qemu - all without further user intervention (assuming lynx and netpbm are installed). |
| 06:20.29 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: oops, i had forgotten to commit one small change (hence the missing definition) |
| 06:20.40 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: very nice |
| 06:20.56 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03andrew * r1673 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/s3c2410.c: Send MODEM_HANDSHAKE ioctl when AFC is enabled for an uart. |
| 06:21.25 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: do you want to pick up the flash.sh patch now too? |
| 06:21.27 | rwhitby | it makes the alternate image location actually work :-) |
| 06:21.42 | rwhitby | (it just symlinks the alternate location files into the local openmoko dir) |
| 06:21.51 | balrog-kun | ah |
| 06:22.05 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: why is it needed? had i messes up some paths? |
| 06:22.35 | balrog-kun | i'll try checking out the makemokofile tree |
| 06:22.38 | rwhitby | yeah, some stuff was only looking in script_dir_relative for files that were in the alternate image directory given as the argument. |
| 06:22.57 | rwhitby | Look in http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ |
| 06:23.33 | rwhitby | I also made flash.sh symlink the kernel to "openmoko-kernel.bin" so the makefile's run-qemu target could find it easily. |
| 06:24.28 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: also, it turns out I only have svn write access to the trunk/oe tree, not the trunk/src tree. |
| 06:24.50 | rwhitby | (I'll need to talk to mickey|zzZZzz about that) |
| 06:25.32 | balrog-kun | oh, right |
| 06:27.02 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r82 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ (qemu-fix-missing-ioctl-definition.patch series): Removed qemu ioctl patch - fixed upstream |
| 06:27.35 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: if you think the openmoko-kernel.bin addition is a good one, you could change the message that flash.sh outputs (it would make it easier for people to type in or script the starting command) |
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| 06:29.19 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: okay, good idea |
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| 06:41.01 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: i'm unable to test if the flash.sh parameter works at this moment, but i'll commit |
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| 06:42.12 | rwhitby | I've tested the parameter, and you should be able to see that the patch is non-intrusive for the non-parameter case. |
| 06:43.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03andrew * r1674 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/flash.sh: Merge changes from MokoMakefile (Rod Whitby) - fix the flash.sh parameter. |
| 06:44.12 | balrog-kun | yeah, but i could have broken it :p |
| 06:44.20 | balrog-kun | ok, really gotta pack things and run |
| 06:46.02 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: testing now |
| 06:46.22 | rwhitby | if there's any problems, I'll just patch it again anyway. Have fun, wherever you're going. |
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| 06:48.31 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 2 days 14:35:44 (9.608 +-9.6 days) (769,148) |
| 06:48.47 | Any_Key | morning palls |
| 06:48.56 | dotme1 | mornin' |
| 06:49.39 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: looks good |
| 06:50.54 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r83 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ (qemu-flash-alternate-location-fixes.patch series): Removed qemu patches (applied upstream) |
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| 07:06.54 | rwhitby | | make[3]: Entering directory `/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/openmoko-rssreader-0.0.1+svnnow-r1_1669/openmoko-rssreader/data' |
| 07:06.55 | rwhitby | | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `RSS.png', needed by `all-am'. Stop. |
| 07:07.14 | rwhitby | anyone else seeing that? |
| 07:08.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] |
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| 07:29.19 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 2 days 14:15:20 (9.594 +-9.6 days) (770,148) |
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| 07:40.21 | PBeck | hi |
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| 07:50.56 | nibbler_de | rwhitby: where? may you /msg me the url when you're done? |
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| 08:00.16 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:07.19 | aloril | (script) planet: Rod Whitby: OpenMoko Emulator ready for general use http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/openmoko/openmoko-emulator.html |
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| 08:20.43 | empty_mind | when i try to execute download.sh for qemu-neo1973, i get an error saying "lynx: Invalid Option: -listonly" and it fails to download any images too. ANy idea whats wrong ? |
| 08:21.49 | rwhitby | Hmm - I thought balrog-kun fixed that. Sure you got the latest update? |
| 08:22.07 | rwhitby | nibbler_de: I assume you got it at planet.openmoko.org |
| 08:22.26 | nibbler_de | ah, ok ;) sure. |
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| 08:51.55 | pxpt | I am quite excited by this phone |
| 08:52.38 | pxpt | I have been using Windows Mobile based phones for a couple of years and I am totally fed up with the lack of response and crashes etc |
| 08:52.44 | XorA | :-D |
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| 08:54.35 | pxpt | In my opinion Windows Mobile is a totally unsuitable OS for a phone. |
| 08:55.33 | pxpt | There are only two things going for it - the amount of software available and the ease in which Outlook can syncronise its data |
| 08:55.58 | pxpt | (although the less I say about ActiveSync the better) |
| 08:56.14 | XorA | and NetFront |
| 08:57.08 | pxpt | I use Opera |
| 08:58.00 | pxpt | Well with a 640x480 sized screen the horizontal scrolling is not a problem |
| 08:58.31 | pxpt | (I have an MDA-Pro - and a Mio A701) |
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| 08:59.12 | hrw | mdapro == which HTC? |
| 08:59.44 | pxpt | I think it is the HTC Universal |
| 08:59.55 | hrw | ok |
| 09:00.35 | hrw | in Linux world it is easier to tell "HTC thiS" then 'mda pro 7, xeten m202' etc |
| 09:00.56 | pxpt | Ok :-) |
| 09:02.15 | pxpt | I'll have to download the OpenMoko Emulator and have a play sometime this weekend |
| 09:03.32 | buz | i get /home/buz/moko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/configure: 363: Syntax error: Bad fd number when trying make qemu with mokomakefile? |
| 09:04.07 | Hopscotch | for me it explodes with compiler errors |
| 09:04.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Meet_the_Core_Team]] [[Main_Page]] [[OpenMoko]] [[Development_resources]] |
| 09:04.32 | pxpt | Hmm - so it looks like there are problems |
| 09:04.40 | rwhitby | buz, Hopscotch: full pastebin please |
| 09:05.52 | goxboxlive | Any one remeber the name if the rotate applet suplied in gpe? It also where suplied in opnemoko for a month or so (angstrom) |
| 09:06.22 | buz | rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/426626 |
| 09:06.38 | buz | (i have gcc-3.4 installed, on ubuntu feisty) |
| 09:08.17 | koen | goxboxlive: matchbox-panel-hacks iirc |
| 09:08.35 | goxboxlive | koen: gracias |
| 09:08.58 | koen | I'm not sure if it will work with matchbox-panel-2, though |
| 09:10.19 | goxboxlive | me neither, but i want to use it in x11-image. It seems like openmoko-dialer work bether in x11 image than the openmoko one. starnge though |
| 09:10.26 | goxboxlive | should be the same |
| 09:11.23 | rwhitby | buz: no idea - try changing /bin/sh to /bin/sh -x on the first line of the configure script, and then run again. |
| 09:13.41 | buz | mhh maybe that is one of ubuntu's dash screw ups |
| 09:13.43 | Hopscotch | rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/426637 |
| 09:13.48 | buz | i'm gonna dump dash one day |
| 09:14.30 | buz | yeah with bash it works |
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| 09:18.06 | Hopscotch | rwhitby: that's for make qemu |
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| 09:22.05 | rwhitby | buz: bound to be dash |
| 09:22.23 | Hopscotch | the next is for make update-makefile; make update; make setup; make openmoko-devel-image: |
| 09:22.29 | buz | i still dont entirely understand wtf they use dash |
| 09:22.38 | Hopscotch | | make[3]: Entering directory `/mnt/devel/cd/Projekte/openmoko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/openmoko-rssreader-0.0.1+svnnow-r1_1669/openmoko-rssreader/data' |
| 09:22.41 | Hopscotch | | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `RSS.png', needed by `all-am'. Stop. |
| 09:22.47 | rwhitby | buz: just to irritate their users and prove a point. |
| 09:23.02 | rwhitby | Hopscotch: yeah, I got that one too - looks like someone forgot to check in a file. |
| 09:27.28 | Hopscotch | ok, then i'll retry in a few hours |
| 09:29.49 | buz | ok qemu is booting |
| 09:32.12 | hrw | buz: dash is smaller and faster |
| 09:32.23 | rwhitby | Hopscotch: dunno about the qemu error. |
| 09:32.35 | buz | hrw: and hopelessly incompatible |
| 09:32.48 | rwhitby | Hopscotch: can you try with gcc 3.4? (that's what I used) |
| 09:33.40 | hrw | buz: no. dash is POSIX sh compatible |
| 09:33.54 | buz | hrw: yeah, but nobody really uses posix sh |
| 09:33.56 | buz | most use bash |
| 09:33.57 | hrw | buz: its not dash fault that for most of people sh == bash |
| 09:34.16 | buz | but it's ubuntu's fault for using something known to cause all sorts of issues |
| 09:34.18 | rwhitby | yeah, people should put /bin/bash at the top of their script |
| 09:34.20 | Hopscotch | rwhitby: hmpf - my gcc32 is a fake: gcc32 -v -> gcc version 4.1.2 (Gentoo 4.1.2) |
| 09:34.39 | rwhitby | Hopscotch: heh - how on earth does that happen? |
| 09:35.24 | Hopscotch | i think the idea is that gcc32 is a gcc for 32bits... |
| 09:35.57 | Hopscotch | burn, gentoo, burn |
| 09:36.19 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: qemu-neo1973 |
| 09:40.44 | rwhitby | ok, so core team is using frozen OE version. |
| 09:40.57 | rwhitby | now to work out how to reliably go backwards with an OE checkout. |
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| 09:42.18 | koen | rwhitby: you can't do that reliably without deleting everything |
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| 09:46.17 | DukeOfURL | hello |
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| 09:49.05 | DukeOfURL | build fails on target RSS.png |
| 09:49.50 | DukeOfURL | what am I doing to catch this? |
| 09:52.24 | zecke | DukeOfURL: fix the Makefile.am, send a patch, be happy |
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| 09:55.09 | buz | counter |
| 09:55.09 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 2 days 13:02:25 (9.543 +-9.5 days) (771,148) |
| 09:55.23 | buz | any word on the schedule for the summer upgrade? |
| 09:55.32 | rwhitby | summer is finished |
| 09:55.43 | rwhitby | (in the southern hemisphere at least) |
| 09:55.55 | rwhitby | I'm not gonna wait another 9 months for an upgrade. |
| 09:56.50 | drath | hehehe |
| 09:57.54 | MetaMorfoziS | is the hardware changing after p1? |
| 09:59.32 | drath | there should be an upgrade after P1, called P1+, which might bring a faster CPU and possibly WiFi, but none of this is certain |
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| 10:20.50 | SpeedEvil | The CPU speed is more certain. |
| 10:21.15 | koen | 600024789230GHz! |
| 10:23.09 | mjr | the cpu has been talked about in fairly certain terms, yes |
| 10:23.37 | ewon | ONE POINT TWENTY THREE GIGAWATTS |
| 10:24.06 | mjr | isn't it 1.21? |
| 10:24.58 | ewon | possibly |
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| 10:25.04 | ewon | I'm on a lot of drugs |
| 10:25.10 | ewon | wisdom teeth removal is for winners |
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| 10:25.12 | mjr | I see |
| 10:25.14 | ewon | I'll be quiet now |
| 10:25.23 | mjr | winners use drugs, yes |
| 10:25.39 | mjr | as xevil tells us |
| 10:26.25 | DukeOfURL | SpeedEvil has never been to the dentist? |
| 10:26.50 | SpeedEvil | That was a joke - coffee is a drug. |
| 10:26.56 | DukeOfURL | The real meaning of pain,,,, |
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| 10:59.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_compatible_cellphone_providers]] |
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| 11:37.03 | empty_mind | rwhitby, you have built qemu target in mokomakefile ? |
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| 11:40.57 | XorA | got P0 phones need a CPU boost |
| 11:43.16 | Elrond | XorA - Huh? |
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| 11:45.43 | XorA | s/got/god/ |
| 11:46.39 | thomasg__ | XorA, why? |
| 11:46.45 | koen | XorA: more than that |
| 11:46.57 | DukeOfURL | has anyone tried PyGTK on P0? |
| 11:47.05 | XorA | that fancy gtk+ interface is painfully slow |
| 11:47.06 | koen | XorA: the dialer is even slow on a 600MHz armv5 cpu with an accelerated X server |
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| 11:47.23 | hrw | thomasg__: it is too slow to use |
| 11:47.50 | thomasg__ | hm, hoped 200 mhz would be enough for this device |
| 11:48.11 | Elrond | Hoped so too. |
| 11:48.32 | Elrond | That's about a Pentium at 133MHz, right? |
| 11:48.36 | thomasg__ | currently I have a n7710 with 640x320 and 200mhz arm9. it is really slow, but thats symbian |
| 11:49.50 | koen | thomasg__: 200MHz is enough is you leave at the zillion pixmaps |
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| 11:51.17 | thomasg__ | so you dont recommend to get a p1 device? |
| 11:52.37 | Elrond | Anyone knows, what speed the RISC-PC's arm used? |
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| 11:53.25 | roh | Elrond similar clocking.. 60-233mhz afaik |
| 11:53.48 | hrw | Elrond: "CPU: Dual-processor slots, accepting the following chips on a special daughterboard: ARM6 at 30 MHz or 33 MHz, ARM7 at 40 MHz, StrongARM at 203 MHz, 233 MHz or 300 MHz+. 486 and 586-based co-processors at up to 133 MHz, and DSP chips (third party) were also available. A "Hydra" multi-processor development system from Simtec allowed an extra four ARM6 or ARM7 CPU cards, mainly using the Linux OS." (wikipedia) |
| 11:54.39 | Elrond | hrw - Ahh. :) |
| 11:55.08 | Elrond | Hmm, when I saw those thingies in the shop, they seemed quite fast (okay, they have a dedicated graphics card). |
| 11:55.31 | XorA | RiscPC was quite a cool toy, pity Acorn were a bunch of hairy acorns |
| 11:55.39 | Elrond | roh - Thanks too. |
| 11:56.20 | XorA | although my friends RiscPC with 486 card did make my pentium owning friend cry |
| 11:56.54 | hrw | XorA: did riscpc were available outside UK? |
| 11:57.53 | XorA | hrw: probably not, Acorn were morons |
| 11:57.59 | Elrond | hrw - They sold it in a normal computer retail shop here in Germany. They even had some acorn sales people explaining things. |
| 11:58.17 | XorA | Elrond: there was german version of BBC Master as well? |
| 11:58.59 | Elrond | XorA - I don't know. I never saw acorn before. I only read in some computer mag about the archimedes. |
| 12:00.22 | thomasg__ | hrw: apples old ppcs was also risc machines |
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| 12:00.45 | hrw | thomasg__: I know what CHRP was ;D |
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| 12:01.29 | Elrond | I even liked the GUI at the risc-pc days. it was quite nice. Hey, that cmdline at the buttom was also fun. ;) (one could play in the retail shop with the toy.) |
| 12:01.31 | XorA | I heard rumours that some UK company still makes RiscPC boxes and still sells RiscOS |
| 12:02.17 | Elrond | XorA - I've read something like that on wikipedia. try to search for risc-os. There even seems to be some opensourcing idea for risc-os. |
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| 12:07.38 | Elrond | So instead of linux we should use risc-os on the phone ;o) |
| 12:08.13 | XorA | Elrond: god no |
| 12:08.45 | xkr47 | LOAD "UBOOT",8,1 |
| 12:10.47 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1676 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-calculator/autogen.sh: add autogen.sh script |
| 12:12.21 | Elrond | XorA - ;o) |
| 12:12.42 | Elrond | mickey|zzZZzz - Greet Sean from the channel. :-) |
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| 12:56.23 | tigert | Sean needs to irc :) |
| 12:58.19 | koen | he did at one point |
| 12:58.38 | drath | heh, I'm sure he'd get a lot of work done that way ;) |
| 13:02.25 | Elrond | irc is the best way to distract one from work. ;) |
| 13:02.49 | Elrond | Guess why I go in the library, when I have some non-pc work to do. ;o) |
| 13:03.41 | Elrond | koen - That article suggests, that there is a third device on the road? |
| 13:04.49 | koen | Elrond: it suggests harald is doing kernel work for more devices |
| 13:05.48 | koen | I wouldn't be suprised if their mediaplayer will start using kernel 2.6 as well |
| 13:06.11 | Elrond | mediaplayer? |
| 13:06.50 | koen | they have mediaplayers as well |
| 13:06.55 | koen | mips based |
| 13:07.53 | Elrond | Ahh |
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| 13:19.17 | hrw|gone | koen: think about v2? |
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| 13:20.45 | Vitaly | counter |
| 13:20.45 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 2 days 11:19:37 (9.472 +-9.5 days) (772,148) |
| 13:21.34 | koen | hrw|gone: it can be anything :) |
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| 13:40.33 | Elrond | koen - Oh, you mean the openmoko washing machine, right? ;) |
| 13:40.59 | koen | yes :) |
| 13:42.30 | Elrond | counter washing machine |
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| 14:51.09 | neostrider | hello folks |
| 14:54.23 | neostrider | is openmoko supporting SDL apps? |
| 14:54.23 | aloril | neostrider: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 14:54.55 | mjr | yes, sdl is available |
| 14:55.05 | neostrider | great |
| 14:55.15 | neostrider | im doing games for maemo and I want it to run on openmoko too |
| 14:55.29 | mjr | nice |
| 14:55.30 | neostrider | how is the toolchain like? |
| 14:55.43 | mjr | haven't had time to check that yet |
| 14:55.59 | mjr | openembedded |
| 14:56.08 | mjr | anyway, off now |
| 14:57.51 | neostrider | ok |
| 14:57.54 | neostrider | thanks |
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| 15:55.20 | filippo | I get an error in mokomakefile making qemu can i post it here? |
| 15:55.20 | aloril | filippo: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 16:46.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Hardware]] [[Hardware]] [[Main_Page]] [[Category:Hardware]] |
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| 16:52.16 | PBeck | servus |
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| 16:54.15 | neostrider | hello folks |
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| 17:06.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1677 10/trunk/oe/packages/ (3 files in 3 dirs): oe: refine openmoko-base and tasks to include more stuff |
| 17:07.13 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1678 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-apps/openmoko-rssreader_svn.bb: oe: bump openmoko-rssreader PR |
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| 17:11.56 | Anandir | Hi everyone. |
| 17:13.08 | noidd | hey ananananandir |
| 17:13.36 | Anandir | :) |
| 17:13.53 | Anandir | Did you know if, and how, OpenMoko will be shipped in Europe? |
| 17:13.53 | aloril | Anandir: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:14.48 | SpeedEvil | They are going to use trained storks. |
| 17:15.05 | SpeedEvil | They drop them on little parachutes, when the GPS makes them go beep. |
| 17:17.13 | alphaone | So we'll have a decline in new babies then since they will be busy otherwise? |
| 17:17.54 | Anandir | OpenMoko, will be shipped in europe? |
| 17:19.30 | koen | Anandir: read the faq aloril linked |
| 17:19.51 | Anandir | Done. But i'ven't find it. |
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| 17:22.10 | noidd | anan: yes to Europe. |
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| 17:22.29 | Anandir | noidd: That's a good news :). |
| 17:23.45 | noidd | with the exception of Italy, there is a law in italy which prohibits the sale of hardware which specifically runs open source software. Something about old labour laws I think. |
| 17:24.11 | neostrider | noidd, how there is such a law? |
| 17:24.14 | Anandir | noidd: D'oh >_>. |
| 17:24.15 | neostrider | lobby? |
| 17:24.19 | noidd | Just kidding |
| 17:24.21 | noidd | :-D |
| 17:24.34 | Anandir | noidd: xD |
| 17:24.44 | neostrider | its already april 6th =-P |
| 17:25.00 | Anandir | neo: Maybe he see I'm italian ;P |
| 17:25.23 | noidd | *** Anandir is n=Anandir@host202-127-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it (Giacomo) |
| 17:25.31 | noidd | yeah - I looked and felt evil ;-) |
| 17:25.33 | Anandir | ;P |
| 17:25.42 | jeddy3 | hehehe |
| 17:25.48 | Anandir | noidd: Are you English :P? |
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| 17:26.55 | noidd | No, Welsh |
| 17:27.01 | noidd | but I live in the US now. |
| 17:27.04 | Anandir | noidd: :). |
| 17:27.10 | Anandir | noidd: Ooooh^^ |
| 17:27.17 | noidd | which is why my english grammar is going to hell. |
| 17:27.41 | Anandir | noidd: Ahahahahahah xD. The america's grammar it'sn't the best one :P. |
| 17:28.04 | noidd | I'm picking up gramatical patterns which are common in the South |
| 17:28.13 | noidd | eg: "I'm fixing to be" |
| 17:28.13 | Anandir | noidd: Anyway. I'm glad to know OpenMoko also come in Italy :). |
| 17:28.22 | Anandir | noidd: Lol xD |
| 17:28.47 | noidd | anywhere in the World my friend, and there will be a European reseller so you won't need to deal with customs like the P0 peeps |
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| 17:30.14 | Anandir | noidd: :). I hope the price don't grow so much in the process >_>. Usually that's what happen :S |
| 17:31.31 | jeddy3 | Anandir, so true |
| 17:31.58 | noidd | I have faith that the price will remain the same |
| 17:32.04 | Vegar | uhm |
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| 17:32.10 | noidd | although their costs have gone up hugely I'm sure. |
| 17:32.11 | Vegar | what about non-EU european countries? |
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| 17:32.25 | noidd | You can buy it anywhere Vegar |
| 17:32.32 | Vegar | I was thinking about customs |
| 17:32.36 | noidd | the question is whether you'll have issues with customs |
| 17:32.45 | noidd | I got my P0 phone through customs with no issues |
| 17:32.50 | noidd | as did 99% of devs |
| 17:32.58 | noidd | I think one dev in .fi had issues |
| 17:33.04 | Vegar | ok |
| 17:33.08 | empty_mind | what is a proper way to add a package to openmoko? |
| 17:33.26 | Vegar | noidd: any idea if there will be hardware changes between P1+ and P2? |
| 17:33.27 | cjb- | I've known a few Australian 'dealers' who like to charge AU$900 for a US$240/AU$320 device. :/ |
| 17:34.35 | DukeOfURL | isn't capitalism wonderful? |
| 17:35.15 | theholyduck | yay usa yay captialism |
| 17:35.18 | theholyduck | ? |
| 17:35.19 | theholyduck | :P |
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| 17:38.00 | cjb- | (I was all excited at finding a local dealer for the Alphasmart Dana 'PalmOS laptop' here in AU... Until I discovered the guy who runs the business from his garage and supplies the Dana to Education Depts was taking advantage of their local-dealer policy in a very gross way... :/) |
| 17:38.21 | Anandir | :S |
| 17:38.55 | neostrider | palmos laptop? |
| 17:39.25 | cjb- | neo: http://www.alphasmart.com/products/dana-w_In.html |
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| 17:40.42 | cjb- | It's pretty-much a Palm M105 w/ full-keyboard, more RAM, and 2 SD card slots.. I'm a long-time Palm weenie.. (My interest in the 'Moko came after the disappointing&crippled Treo680..) |
| 17:42.04 | neostrider | cool |
| 17:42.28 | neostrider | much like my good 'n' old Cassiopeia A-11 |
| 17:42.47 | cjb- | "Who needs an OLPC?" :) |
| 17:42.59 | Stephmw | Kids! |
| 17:43.07 | neostrider | cjb...its too expensive for what is is |
| 17:43.09 | Moo^^ | geeks! |
| 17:43.12 | neostrider | no no |
| 17:43.19 | koen | Stephmw: that would skew the statistics |
| 17:43.20 | neostrider | OLPC is not a tech project |
| 17:43.25 | koen | Stephmw: "one kid" ;) |
| 17:43.36 | Moo^^ | neostrider: it isn't. but every good will order one in any case :) |
| 17:43.44 | Stephmw | koen: didn't you like the proto they were showing around FOSDEM? |
| 17:44.09 | koen | Stephmw: I didn't see the proto at fosdem |
| 17:44.16 | koen | but J5's one was pretty nice |
| 17:44.17 | neostrider | I would love to have one |
| 17:44.27 | neostrider | but I guess its better to leave it to the kids |
| 17:44.51 | Stephmw | koen: shame, I got to see it |
| 17:45.08 | Stephmw | koen: it fitted really well with the Neo's toy appearance :) |
| 17:45.31 | cjb- | neo: it's like the old Tandy M100-- doing a simple job well can be worth the (tax-deductable work-expense..) price. imho the Dana could do it for me at $300.. but not the $900 the parasite was wanting. |
| 17:48.10 | empty_mind | what this error means http://pastebin.ca/427210 |
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| 17:51.40 | Stephmw | coding question... what's the most efficient way of storing a large number of words? (as in a dictionary)... |
| 17:52.05 | Anandir | In memory? |
| 17:52.20 | Stephmw | and disk |
| 17:52.27 | Stephmw | but memory first :) |
| 17:52.35 | Anandir | Stephmw: Well |
| 17:52.57 | Anandir | Stephmw: An Hashtable is the data structure with the best search speed. |
| 17:53.04 | XorA|gone | libsqlite3 |
| 17:53.21 | Anandir | Yep. For the disk, but for the memory? |
| 17:53.32 | DukeOfURL | list of pointers |
| 17:53.39 | cjb- | sequentually or randomly searched? |
| 17:53.40 | XorA|gone | Anandir: that covers both, I would assume it does caching |
| 17:55.48 | Stephmw | a b-tree implementation has been suggested elsewhere |
| 17:56.18 | Stephmw | cjb-: search-time is the only important measure |
| 17:56.24 | Stephmw | cjb-: the list is unlikely to change |
| 17:56.35 | Anandir | Stephmw: The fastest structure is the hashtable. |
| 17:56.37 | Stephmw | cjb-: but I do need to find nearby hits |
| 17:56.59 | DukeOfURL | fastest would be binary search |
| 17:57.27 | DukeOfURL | after the list was sorted |
| 17:57.33 | Anandir | DukeOfURL: An hashtable perform a search in O(1) {where O is the cost of a search} |
| 17:57.56 | DukeOfURL | how many buckets? |
| 17:59.05 | DukeOfURL | how many items? |
| 17:59.05 | Stephmw | I'm expecting ~500k entries, 2-15 characters each |
| 17:59.06 | DukeOfURL | on the Neo??? |
| 17:59.06 | DukeOfURL | yikes! |
| 17:59.06 | Stephmw | :D |
| 17:59.20 | Stephmw | well, on the Neo I'd probably use ispell |
| 17:59.49 | jgm | Anyone have experience with the mokomakefile? I'm hitting an error during setup... |
| 17:59.49 | Stephmw | I wouldn't expect the whole wordlist in ram at any one time anyway |
| 18:00.07 | Anandir | Just a stupid question (another)... In the future will be avaible a cam on OpenMoko? |
| 18:00.21 | DukeOfURL | then you'd index the keywords in SQL |
| 18:00.45 | DukeOfURL | let disk cache take care of in-memory keys |
| 18:02.45 | Stephmw | that was my first answer, wasn't sure if it was the best, so I'm checking :) |
| 18:04.48 | Stephmw | thanks for the help! |
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| 18:18.38 | Mandarino | Hi |
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| 18:19.02 | maxamillion | does openmoko come with a ssh client? |
| 18:19.25 | ewon | I would presume so |
| 18:19.29 | ewon | given GPE ships with one |
| 18:19.31 | ewon | ssh is ssh |
| 18:19.45 | maxamillion | didn't know GPE ships with one |
| 18:19.47 | maxamillion | thanks .... |
| 18:19.53 | maxamillion | also, any word on a web browser? |
| 18:20.43 | goxboxlive | Anyone with a NEO phone here now? |
| 18:21.57 | XorA|gone | me |
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| 18:22.59 | goxboxlive | Xora|gone: Are you able to send/receive sms yet? |
| 18:26.28 | XorA|gone | goxboxlive: never tried |
| 18:26.43 | XorA|gone | goxboxlive: I dont think the software even runs on mine |
| 18:26.46 | goxboxlive | koen told me i there where no code for it yet |
| 18:26.52 | goxboxlive | ok :-) |
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| 18:32.04 | koen | aloril2: duh... I checked before saying that :) |
| 18:35.18 | Anandir | See ya guys. Thanks for everything :) |
| 18:36.17 | aloril2 | koen: hehe |
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| 19:14.58 | jgm | rwhitby: you around? |
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| 19:17.49 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03dodji * r1679 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 19:17.49 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Begin implementation of the Journal entries creation. |
| 19:17.49 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/moko-journal.c: started to |
| 19:17.50 | CIA-16 | openmoko: implement the obvious, to see if there are hidden stones |
| 19:17.50 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/moko-journal.h: abstract |
| 19:17.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: icaltime completely in MokoTime |
| 19:17.55 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/moko-time.h: provide headers |
| 19:17.57 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03dodji * r1680 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (16 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 19:18.00 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Can now save a log entry of type email into the journal |
| 19:18.02 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/src/*: moved what |
| 19:18.04 | CIA-16 | openmoko: was in openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/ into here. |
| 19:18.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/test will then contain test |
| 19:18.10 | CIA-16 | openmoko: functions. |
| 19:18.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/src/moko-journal.c: implemented |
| 19:18.47 | zecke | Dodji: hey, can MokoTime parse RFC822? |
| 19:19.09 | Dodji | zecke, hey |
| 19:20.43 | Dodji | zecke, it is related to time for ical stuff, like in RFC2445 |
| 19:21.03 | Dodji | zecke, but support for RFC822 can be added I guess |
| 19:21.19 | Dodji | zecke, why I use underneath is icaltime.h from libical |
| 19:21.33 | zecke | okay |
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| 19:25.10 | Dodji | zecke, do you need to parse RFC822 style dates ? |
| 19:25.47 | zecke | Dodji: yes, RSS uses RFC822 |
| 19:26.20 | hrw|gone | happy easter everyone (or have a nice weekend for !christians) |
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| 19:27.24 | Dodji | hrw|gone, same to you |
| 19:27.42 | Dodji | zecke, well if you need it, we can add it I think |
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| 19:28.57 | Dodji | zecke, MokoTIme is stored in a iso 8601 format friendly manner, and can be timezone friendly so it should only be a parsing problem |
| 19:29.07 | hrw|gone | bye |
| 19:29.31 | zecke | Dodji: okay, I need to finish some work and hope to hack on Moko by tomorrow :} |
| 19:29.59 | Dodji | zecke, okay no problem :-) just get in touch and we will see :-) |
| 19:30.22 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1681 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/ (3 files in 3 dirs): add qmake infrastructure for libmokojournal |
| 19:30.32 | Elrond | Isn't there some glib stuff for dates? |
| 19:30.42 | zecke | Elrond: yes there is |
| 19:31.13 | Elrond | So what is MokoTime good for? |
| 19:31.59 | zecke | Elrond: compared to QDateTime it is rubbish, also for using it in a GtkTreeView it is rubbish. I'm viewing this from the RSS Reader pov |
| 19:32.50 | Elrond | Ahh. |
| 19:34.08 | zecke | Elrond: you want something that stores Date+Time, provides fast compares (for sorts) and allows you to easily format textual representation (e.g. print today, yesterday as dates). GDate doesn't offer anything in this respect |
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| 19:35.11 | Elrond | Huh, okay. I thought, they had done more... |
| 19:36.16 | zecke | Elrond: It is possible that I missed something :) |
| 19:37.26 | Elrond | I'll do a quick look later. I need to review some docs first (and watch Shrek ;o) ) |
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| 20:07.10 | rwhitby | jgm: yep |
| 20:07.21 | jgm | Hey |
| 20:07.49 | jgm | Hit an issue with mokomakefile when running setup for the first time, let me go dig out the error... |
| 20:08.12 | rwhitby | full pastebin.ca please |
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| 20:14.22 | jgm | rwhitby: hmm... so of course it works this time around. The pastebin is http://www.pastebin.ca/427473 |
| 20:14.31 | jgm | And the error was that there were multiple heads and it couldn't work out which one to use |
| 20:15.36 | jgm | I did a local patch of my makefile (in another directory) so that the automate heads was passed the branch of org.openembedded.dev and that seemed to fix it |
| 20:16.08 | jgm | (i.e. changed the `mtn --db=OE.mtn automated heads| head -n1` to `mtn --db=OE.mtn automated heads org.openembedded.dev|head -n1`) |
| 20:16.27 | rwhitby | thx - I'll commit that fix |
| 20:19.02 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r84 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Fixed initial checkout when multiple heads are present. Thanks to jgm for finding this. |
| 20:21.48 | rwhitby | Anyone tried the "make qemu" target in MokoMakefile overnight? |
| 20:22.01 | jgm | Just trying it now, seems to be working :) |
| 20:22.18 | jgm | I have the emulated openmoko up, anyway, although I haven't done anything with it yet |
| 20:24.40 | rwhitby | empty_mind: read up on DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS for adding stuff to your local rootfs build. |
| 20:29.25 | jgm | So if I want to make changes to the code checked out by mokomakefile can I just edit openmoko/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/whatever and then rerun 'make qemu' or is that target pulling a full image from elsewhere and so ignoring any changes I make? |
| 20:30.35 | rwhitby | make flash-qemu-official flashes from official images |
| 20:30.44 | rwhitby | make flash-qemu-local flashes from your latest local build |
| 20:30.56 | jgm | Okay cool |
| 20:31.02 | rwhitby | then run "make run-qemu" (or the simple command line it runs) to run it |
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| 20:34.22 | rwhitby | jgm: be aware that "make update" will forcibly revert any local changes - so you will want to use quilt or something to keep those changes separate from the svn checkout tree. |
| 20:35.00 | jgm | Thanks for the info, I'm a CVS person so will have to look in to how svn handles this stuff |
| 20:35.31 | rwhitby | it's the MokoMakefile which does the revert |
| 20:36.06 | jgm | Ah fair enough, might just hack that so it has a 'make merge' target or similar |
| 20:37.02 | rwhitby | I'd suggest using the quilt support that's built in, and managing local patches under patches/openmoko-HEAD - they will not be reverted, and they will be automatically applied. |
| 20:37.04 | jgm | BTW I know that some people were asking about it on the list but I'm running qemu on Ubuntu Edgy (6.10) on VMware workstation 6 (whatever the latest beta is) on Vista (phew) |
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| 20:37.26 | theholyduck | lol |
| 20:37.28 | theholyduck | jgm |
| 20:37.29 | jgm | And it all seems to work okay (cursor and the likc) |
| 20:37.29 | theholyduck | lol indeed |
| 20:37.35 | rwhitby | jgm: I run Debian on VMWare on XP :-) |
| 20:37.40 | jgm | s/likc/like/ |
| 20:37.47 | theholyduck | well vmware is pretty decent |
| 20:37.50 | theholyduck | and quemu too |
| 20:38.01 | theholyduck | so it shuld work |
| 20:38.17 | theholyduck | even soo... why windows :P |
| 20:38.19 | theholyduck | at all |
| 20:38.28 | jgm | rwhitby: if that's the way that patches should exist in harmony with the rest of the environment I'll do it that way. Thanks |
| 20:38.55 | rwhitby | my tip is to hold the mouse button down for an extra quarter second when clicking on the touchscreen - that seems to make them reliably register. |
| 20:39.02 | rwhitby | theholyduck: work laptop. |
| 20:39.11 | theholyduck | hm... |
| 20:39.13 | theholyduck | still. |
| 20:39.21 | theholyduck | id make a multi partion usb pen with grub.. |
| 20:39.29 | theholyduck | and install linux on that... |
| 20:39.36 | theholyduck | use that on the work laptop |
| 20:39.44 | jgm | Why Windows? With Vista I'm having to ask myself the same question. Mainly due to Office 2007, which I need for work. And yes I could go XP/VMware/Ubuntu but rebuilding my whole system (again) is not something I feel the need to do right now. Maybe next time Vista annoys me too much, or some piece of hardware explodes... |
| 20:39.54 | rwhitby | well then I wouldn't be able to work and hack at the same time, would I? |
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| 20:40.00 | theholyduck | true |
| 20:40.01 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:40.18 | theholyduck | but i mean... why work somewhere where you have to use windows? |
| 20:40.27 | rwhitby | dual-booting is overrated in my opinion. Run a VM under one OS to get the other. |
| 20:40.36 | SpeedEvil | theholyduck: Filthy money? |
| 20:40.58 | theholyduck | i mean if i enojoy doing something... who cares if get paid almost nothing |
| 20:41.04 | theholyduck | i can live on bread aslong as i have fun |
| 20:41.19 | rwhitby | theholyduck: got kids yet? :-) |
| 20:41.26 | theholyduck | well im 16... so |
| 20:41.30 | theholyduck | i still got a job |
| 20:41.37 | theholyduck | i quited school for a half year time |
| 20:41.48 | theholyduck | school was too easy and boring .( |
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| 20:42.07 | theholyduck | so i just dropped out and got into a new harder line next year |
| 20:42.07 | rwhitby | heh - make the most of your idealistic existence while you have the chance - most people wish they could not have to work for money either :-) |
| 20:42.23 | theholyduck | so in the mean time i work |
| 20:43.09 | theholyduck | seriously though... i wouldent want to work for a computer company that uses windows. |
| 20:43.20 | theholyduck | or if they did... |
| 20:43.24 | theholyduck | naw i wouldent |
| 20:43.24 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:43.34 | theholyduck | id rather work at burger king |
| 20:43.36 | jgm | Ooh, the idealism of the young |
| 20:43.42 | theholyduck | P |
| 20:43.48 | theholyduck | well... |
| 20:43.50 | jgm | And I bet *that* quote wouldn't hold if you were put to it |
| 20:43.56 | theholyduck | im not planning on having kids |
| 20:44.05 | theholyduck | im not sure if im ever gonna have a girl friend |
| 20:44.05 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:44.16 | theholyduck | my life is my computer... |
| 20:44.26 | theholyduck | and books |
| 20:44.26 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:44.36 | jgm | There's a lot more out there, go try it some day |
| 20:44.44 | jgm | (But come back if I have a question you can answer, okay? :)) |
| 20:44.56 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:44.57 | SpeedEvil | Or make money, and order one from the internet! |
| 20:45.03 | theholyduck | i dont like real people... |
| 20:45.04 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:45.08 | theholyduck | i enjoy sitting on irc |
| 20:45.16 | theholyduck | its enough social interaction for me |
| 20:45.43 | jgm | Some of the people on IRC are real, too (or so I hear) |
| 20:45.50 | theholyduck | sure.. |
| 20:45.54 | SpeedEvil | Real people don't come with non-consequencial off-buttons. |
| 20:46.00 | theholyduck | but i dont have to Meet them in rl |
| 20:46.21 | theholyduck | also if i there is somebody very annoying on IRC |
| 20:46.26 | theholyduck | i can always type /ignore |
| 20:46.26 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:47.04 | koen | moko-journal looks quite interesting |
| 20:47.14 | pjz | whuzzat? |
| 20:47.14 | theholyduck | hm... my ears.. |
| 20:47.24 | theholyduck | stupid huge stereo |
| 20:47.25 | pjz | koen: link? |
| 20:47.26 | theholyduck | at this lan |
| 20:47.26 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:47.31 | theholyduck | its playing rap music |
| 20:47.48 | theholyduck | http://webcam.tg07.gathering.org/current.jpg |
| 20:47.50 | theholyduck | im here |
| 20:48.45 | jgm | Wherever you are it has pretty bad bandwidth to the rest of the world... |
| 20:48.48 | xkr47 | I'm here |
| 20:49.21 | xkr47 | theholyduck, sounds like you have proper stereos then |
| 20:49.25 | koen | pjz: http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/ |
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| 20:49.39 | xkr47 | back in 1996, assembly used to allow music, and everybody brought their own stereos :) |
| 20:49.51 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:49.54 | theholyduck | well im just saying |
| 20:50.00 | theholyduck | inside a 10 meter radius to me |
| 20:50.01 | xkr47 | and earplugs.. :) |
| 20:50.03 | theholyduck | there is about.. |
| 20:50.08 | theholyduck | 3 |
| 20:50.09 | theholyduck | or 4 |
| 20:50.10 | pjz | koen: omg. why reinvent syslog? |
| 20:50.11 | theholyduck | stereoes |
| 20:50.19 | theholyduck | and the HUGEST of them all |
| 20:50.22 | theholyduck | is 2m away |
| 20:50.25 | xkr47 | that's nothing.. |
| 20:50.27 | theholyduck | playing rap at full blast |
| 20:50.35 | koen | pjz: syslog logs your emails? |
| 20:50.37 | xkr47 | 10m radius.. that's probably 20 stereos back then :) |
| 20:50.41 | theholyduck | well my keyboards is shakeing for the bass |
| 20:50.46 | theholyduck | i mean literaly |
| 20:50.48 | theholyduck | vibrating |
| 20:50.57 | xkr47 | sounds nice |
| 20:51.00 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:51.05 | theholyduck | it would have bin if liked rap |
| 20:51.11 | pjz | koen: with a sufficiently verbose email client, yes |
| 20:51.20 | koen | eeew |
| 20:51.53 | xkr47 | theholyduck, do you have stereos too ?-) |
| 20:51.58 | theholyduck | nope |
| 20:52.00 | xkr47 | doh |
| 20:52.11 | theholyduck | but a pair of ear protector style headset |
| 20:52.12 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:52.19 | theholyduck | so i can still hear my own music and anime |
| 20:52.24 | theholyduck | clear above the stereoes |
| 20:53.18 | xkr47 | hope you don't get permanent ringing in ears |
| 20:53.25 | theholyduck | i wont |
| 20:53.29 | theholyduck | iv heard louder things than this |
| 20:53.43 | theholyduck | like... |
| 20:53.45 | xkr47 | it's the cumulative effect |
| 20:53.46 | theholyduck | a jetplane takeing off |
| 20:53.52 | xkr47 | lol |
| 20:53.57 | SpeedEvil | Earplugs are cheap. |
| 20:53.58 | theholyduck | or brazil winning a football match in vm |
| 20:54.03 | theholyduck | inside a brazilian bar |
| 20:54.06 | xkr47 | ok that's a good one :) |
| 20:54.08 | theholyduck | with 200 people |
| 20:54.12 | theholyduck | and a thiny bar |
| 20:54.19 | theholyduck | that hurt my ears |
| 20:54.24 | theholyduck | this is nothing |
| 20:54.24 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:54.35 | theholyduck | anyways... we have 5200 people here.,.. |
| 20:54.36 | SpeedEvil | Ear damage is cumulative. |
| 20:54.38 | SpeedEvil | You only get 2. |
| 20:54.42 | theholyduck | not many have ear damage |
| 20:54.44 | theholyduck | if any |
| 20:54.50 | theholyduck | its just 5 days |
| 20:54.54 | theholyduck | and the nights are quieter |
| 20:55.04 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:55.06 | SpeedEvil | In modern societys many do. |
| 20:55.17 | theholyduck | well i already have a ringing in my ear... |
| 20:55.20 | theholyduck | its nothing serious |
| 20:55.21 | SpeedEvil | Listening to loud music has cumulative easily measurable effects. |
| 20:55.25 | theholyduck | i mean i can ignore it |
| 20:55.30 | theholyduck | but its there |
| 20:55.36 | theholyduck | iv had it since i was like 10 |
| 20:55.53 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:55.56 | theholyduck | but i mean so what |
| 20:56.01 | theholyduck | my ears are ringing a bit |
| 20:56.16 | theholyduck | oooh that really ruins my life |
| 20:56.25 | theholyduck | i mean.. totaly.... |
| 20:56.29 | theholyduck | a slight ringing in my ears |
| 20:56.37 | MacNorth | heh, by the time you actually need a fix, folks may have just figured out a better cochlear implant |
| 20:56.51 | theholyduck | well im more worried about my eyes |
| 20:56.58 | theholyduck | i have poor eyesight |
| 20:57.05 | theholyduck | and my eyes dont co operate |
| 20:57.10 | theholyduck | so i have no depth perceptionj |
| 20:57.18 | theholyduck | thats much more annoying than a thiny ringing in the ears |
| 20:57.18 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:58.55 | theholyduck | anyways |
| 20:59.04 | theholyduck | its time to put on my contacts and go do something |
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| 21:02.03 | pjz | koen: well, you get the advantage of all the extant tools for syslog management and etc |
| 21:02.31 | koen | syslos is for the system, not for the session/user |
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| 21:04.21 | pjz | LOG_USER ? |
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| 21:59.05 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r85 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Move MokoMakefile to the official frozen OE version. Unfortunately, this will force everyone to rebuild everything. |
| 21:59.45 | rwhitby | Can someone (who has the time to rebuild everything) grab the latest MokoMakefile version, and test that it detects that you're not using the frozen OE version, and tells you what to do to clobber and rebuild with the frozen version? |
| 22:03.31 | Elrond | Is it me, or is the wiki slowish? |
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| 22:08.27 | rwhitby | Elrond: probably all those MokoMakefile rebuilds hammering the server ... |
| 22:08.28 | neostrider | hello folks |
| 22:09.12 | Elrond | Generated Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:10:54 GMT by mahavidya.openmoko.org (squid/2.6.STABLE5) |
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| 22:25.02 | xkr47 | is the wiki working for you guys ? |
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| 22:27.12 | Psi_ | hm.. its talking a while to load here |
| 22:27.45 | Psi_ | i think i'll say, "no, it's not working" |
| 22:28.11 | xkr47 | :| |
| 22:31.54 | SpeedEvil | "" |
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| 22:34.04 | drkludge | I received a Connection timed out on the wiki. Is this just my connection to the site or is the wiki down? |
| 22:34.05 | aloril | drkludge: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 22:34.39 | Psi_ | haha |
| 22:34.48 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.05 | SpeedEvil | Can't see a slashdot or other. |
| 22:35.08 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Hi ... I'm wondering if anyone has gotten the compile env working under FreeBSD (OE/openmoko)? |
| 22:35.08 | aloril | HistoryOnTheRoad: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 22:35.15 | drkludge | That was funny wasn't it |
| 22:35.24 | SpeedEvil | Alas, no. |
| 22:35.59 | HistoryOnTheRoad | What is the recommended distrib? (Or do you think porting the env would be straightforward)? |
| 22:36.29 | drkludge | SpeedEvil, Mmmm...does that mean you are the one in the hot seat? |
| 22:37.11 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 22:37.36 | SpeedEvil | I've got no official position with FIC - I've just been screwing with the wiki a lot. |
| 22:38.01 | drkludge | Well plant and the openmoko.com are available. |
| 22:38.17 | SpeedEvil | plant.openmoko.com? |
| 22:38.26 | drkludge | Yes sorry |
| 22:38.27 | SpeedEvil | They are going into open source bioengineering? |
| 22:38.34 | drkludge | LOL |
| 22:38.48 | drkludge | With a phone noless! |
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| 22:50.34 | DukeOfURL | rwhitby: build-qemu crashed while compiling neo1973.c |
| 22:50.49 | DukeOfURL | do I need to redo the Makefile? |
| 22:54.30 | rwhitby | DukeOfURL: pastebin.ca the full log please |
| 22:54.38 | rwhitby | Makefile shouldn't affect it |
| 22:59.37 | orospakr | hey, is anyone working on a SIP (or preferably IAX) softphone for OpenMoko? |
| 22:59.56 | Robot101 | you could use telepathy-sofiasip as a basis :) |
| 22:59.58 | SpeedEvil | GPRS doesn't really have the bandwidth. |
| 23:00.08 | SpeedEvil | Err - latency I mean. |
| 23:00.24 | SpeedEvil | BT or Wifi of course would work. |
| 23:00.30 | orospakr | SpeedEvil: for when the machine gets Wifi, of course. |
| 23:00.35 | orospakr | for use within an office, for instance. |
| 23:00.39 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 23:01.35 | DukeOfURL | rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/427689 |
| 23:01.55 | orospakr | Robot101: heh! ;) |
| 23:02.08 | orospakr | (yeah, I would totally prefer something on Telepathy) |
| 23:02.42 | Robot101 | we're looking into it :) |
| 23:02.51 | Robot101 | definitely want to get our hands on some kit |
| 23:03.31 | DukeOfURL | rwhitby: I blew-away the entire directory, downloaded http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile and rebuilt before I started on qemu |
| 23:03.34 | rwhitby | DukeOfURL: WARNING: "gcc" looks like gcc 4.x |
| 23:03.54 | rwhitby | Another idiotic Gentoo installation where 'gcc32' actually means GCC 4.x |
| 23:04.03 | rwhitby | (Gentoo is idiotic, not you) |
| 23:04.26 | DukeOfURL | gcc --version = 4.1.1 |
| 23:04.43 | rwhitby | yep, you need gcc 3.x for qemu |
| 23:04.55 | DukeOfURL | k thanks |
| 23:05.01 | HistoryOnTheRoad | orospakr: I am mulling the idea over for an IAX phone. I have to get the env working first, though :)) |
| 23:05.45 | Robot101 | HistoryOnTheRoad: please help us write a telepathy IAX backend! :) |
| 23:05.47 | orospakr | Robot101: it would be pretty wicked if the Telephony interface of OpenMoko sat on top of Telepathy, and Telepathy did some abstraction magic to make the GSM stuff look like another connection manager (even if the actual audio isn't passing through it). |
| 23:06.00 | Robot101 | orospakr: yes, also thought of this. :) |
| 23:06.32 | mjr | that _would_ be nice |
| 23:06.33 | orospakr | Robot101: you guys need to get a contract with the FIC guys. I suggest lots of pestering ;) |
| 23:06.40 | mjr | hopefully someone does that ;P |
| 23:06.45 | orospakr | and spike solutions! |
| 23:06.53 | Hadaka | hmh, has the phone been released or why are *.openmoko.org sites difficult to reach? ;) |
| 23:07.14 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Telepathy is the b/e that openmoko is using? |
| 23:07.19 | philippe | Hadaka: I guess they have server issues atm |
| 23:07.52 | rwhitby | probably all the MokoMakefile rebuilds |
| 23:07.54 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Hadaka: heh ... someone was complaining earlier. Just pre-releases so far :) |
| 23:08.15 | rwhitby | and lots of people with spare time over Easter ... |
| 23:08.37 | Robot101 | HistoryOnTheRoad: telepathy is an abstraction for VOIP/IM protocols |
| 23:08.44 | HistoryOnTheRoad | rwhitby: Do you know if the OE/openmoko stuff would work on FreeBSD? (or OS X, for that matter) |
| 23:09.01 | rwhitby | HistoryOnTheRoad: no idea. ask on #oe |
| 23:09.06 | Robot101 | actually a neat idea from FOSTEL this week in Paris was to hook up a Telepathy <-> Woomera backend |
| 23:09.16 | Hadaka | oh well, hopefully the devs still manage to have a decent easter despite all the time schedule issues |
| 23:09.16 | Robot101 | IAX and H.323 support |
| 23:09.20 | rwhitby | (cause the answer will be based on whether OpenEmbedded works on those build hosts) |
| 23:09.35 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Robot101: Wouldn't we want the calling interface too? (not just IM)? |
| 23:10.02 | Robot101 | HistoryOnTheRoad: hm? |
| 23:10.13 | Robot101 | HistoryOnTheRoad: which calling interface? |
| 23:10.46 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Robot101: You said it's an abstraction for IM/VoIP ... but it would need (or should) include GSM/cell voice too |
| 23:10.59 | HistoryOnTheRoad | rwhitby: Thanks for the pointer :) |
| 23:11.26 | Robot101 | right, actually it's not limited to IM/VOIP, the calling API splits out the call control from the actual streaming stuff |
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| 23:11.56 | Robot101 | so if you had eg GSM hw to control, the API will work for that |
| 23:12.09 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Ah, cool :) |
| 23:13.13 | HistoryOnTheRoad | rwhitby: What do the openmoko devs use? (might be easier to fiddle with that first, in any case) |
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| 23:20.21 | rwhitby | HistoryOnTheRoad: I think some use Debian, some use Suse, ... |
| 23:20.37 | rwhitby | I use Debian Etch and RHEL4, and OE and OM work fine on both. |
| 23:21.21 | rwhitby | You'd be safest with Debian Etch I'd think, but that's just my experience working with OE for two years. |
| 23:21.23 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I'm reading the reqs for OE on the wiki |
| 23:21.39 | HistoryOnTheRoad | (for FreeBSD) ... it still needs GCC 2.95? |
| 23:21.56 | rwhitby | I doubt the FreeBSD requirements are up to date. |
| 23:23.33 | rwhitby | (since they still refer to bitkeeper, and that stopped being used two years ago) |
| 23:23.34 | HistoryOnTheRoad | It's now bitbake, right? |
| 23:23.35 | rwhitby | monotone replaced bitkeeper |
| 23:23.36 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I'll probably end up trying debian then. I have to for another project, in any case |
| 23:24.40 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Well, we do have monotone in FreeBSD :P |
| 23:24.44 | HistoryOnTheRoad | So there is hope |
| 23:25.10 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Maybe I'll make it a dual boot box :) |
| 23:29.24 | rwhitby | Just use a virtual machine. |
| 23:32.33 | HistoryOnTheRoad | hrm ... that's an idea :) |
| 23:32.42 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Thanks for the help and pointers, btw |
| 23:33.16 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Robot101: I will be back later or tomorrow, we should chat more about IAX :) |
| 23:39.14 | roh | *sigh* |
| 23:39.47 | roh | yes. there has somehone (dho) built openmoko on fbsd, but it reqired some hacks |
| 23:40.00 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
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