| 00:00.09 | dho | gmake's not too big a deal |
| 00:00.37 | dho | the python / stat thing has to go though.... it just doesn't work at all for me, and I can't really tell how it's supposed to work |
| 00:01.39 | roh | dho congratulations ;) |
| 00:01.46 | dho | You could easily do something like |
| 00:01.56 | dho | case `uname -s` in |
| 00:02.04 | dho | *BSD) |
| 00:02.10 | dho | ECHO=gecho |
| 00:02.12 | dho | MAKE=gmake |
| 00:02.19 | dho | Linux) |
| 00:02.21 | dho | ECHO=echt |
| 00:02.23 | dho | etcc |
| 00:02.24 | balrog-kun | but /bin/sh is the only standard shell i guess, so if i want to use bash, i need separate scripts |
| 00:02.40 | dho | It's not a PITA to require bash. |
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| 00:03.05 | dho | Most people will have that and gmake installed anyway from building other ports |
| 00:03.15 | balrog-kun | i still need to give an absolute path to bash |
| 00:03.26 | dho | `which bash` |
| 00:03.57 | dho | #!/usr/bin/env bash |
| 00:03.58 | balrog-kun | but that wouldn't work as the #! /path/to/interpreter line, would it? |
| 00:04.03 | dho | That should work about everywhere |
| 00:04.06 | balrog-kun | oh, maybe a good idea |
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| 00:04.41 | balrog-kun | i'm going to try it tomorrow and add a note about coreutils to the wiki |
| 00:04.49 | dho | Ok. |
| 00:04.55 | dho | Our ARM guy is using it to port |
| 00:05.02 | dho | (I think) |
| 00:05.10 | balrog-kun | Plan 9 ARM guy? |
| 00:05.15 | dho | (I gave him instructions on building it and getting it working) |
| 00:05.15 | dho | FreeBSD |
| 00:05.22 | balrog-kun | oh ok |
| 00:05.24 | dho | I'm largely the Plan 9 ARM guy |
| 00:05.41 | dho | (considering forsyth does inferno) |
| 00:06.45 | balrog-kun | err, you mean port to where? is FreeBSD approaching Neo1973 support? |
| 00:06.48 | balrog-kun | that would be cool |
| 00:07.01 | dho | Yeah, we're going to get that on it too |
| 00:07.35 | dho | How do you build the root disk image though? |
| 00:07.45 | dho | I'm not sure what that process is and what all the magic with uboot entails |
| 00:09.23 | balrog-kun | does FreeBSD support jffs2? |
| 00:09.27 | dho | No. |
| 00:09.44 | balrog-kun | jffs2 is a bit of a pita, (although it saves your NAND) |
| 00:09.52 | balrog-kun | without it all the process would be much simpler |
| 00:10.20 | dho | I guess it's not that big a deal if booting from SD |
| 00:10.53 | balrog-kun | the messages from qemu on your screenshot are identical to those that i'm getting :-) |
| 00:11.06 | dho | Yeah |
| 00:11.10 | dho | That's good |
| 00:11.44 | dho | But anyway, we'd just have probably a read-only UFS root image anyway |
| 00:11.46 | balrog-kun | have there been no problems with touchscreen? (clicking etc) |
| 00:11.52 | dho | No |
| 00:11.57 | dho | well |
| 00:11.59 | balrog-kun | i got reports that clicks are ignored on Ubuntu hosts |
| 00:12.07 | dho | They're not ignored |
| 00:12.16 | dho | I haven't figured out how to type on the thing yet |
| 00:12.48 | balrog-kun | if you had a last week's image, you could type |
| 00:12.54 | dho | Oh, ok. |
| 00:13.00 | balrog-kun | it seems the removed the input manager from the menu bar now |
| 00:13.06 | roh | dho take a look at yaffs, since the licensing there is somewhat more flexible |
| 00:13.21 | dho | I will at some point. |
| 00:13.44 | dho | I'm not really worried about it right now though because I'll really only be flashing a read-only filesystem fors tarters |
| 00:13.54 | balrog-kun | they also removed all shortcuts to terminal emulator |
| 00:13.55 | balrog-kun | :( |
| 00:13.58 | roh | balrog-kun the qemu-neo works fine here in dapper |
| 00:14.16 | balrog-kun | roh: great |
| 00:14.39 | balrog-kun | the report mentioned Ubuntu 6.10 |
| 00:15.10 | balrog-kun | ah, it's "Feisty" |
| 00:15.28 | roh | the mousecross only moves while pressing a key, but thats expected since it emulates a touchpanel |
| 00:15.53 | roh | and you have to press 'firmly'. short clicks are ignored |
| 00:16.04 | balrog-kun | right, i don't imagine it working without clicking |
| 00:17.00 | balrog-kun | short clicks are ignored by tslib, IMHO it's a bug |
| 00:17.00 | roh | propably some kind of debounce for the ts |
| 00:17.57 | balrog-kun | i.e tslib wants five or more measures before reporting a tap, *and* the coordinates for each measurement have to differ, |
| 00:18.03 | balrog-kun | so if there's no noise, it won't work |
| 00:18.24 | balrog-kun | i had to emulate a slight noise (which can be seen in drawing programs) |
| 00:18.25 | roh | that would be reasonable to some kind |
| 00:19.05 | dho | I'm just worried about how I'm supposed to get teh root image and kernel and such on the device |
| 00:19.09 | dho | but anyway I'm out... bbl |
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| 00:19.17 | dho | balrog-kun: if you want to talk over email, devon.odell@gmail.com |
| 00:19.30 | balrog-kun | dho: ok, thanks |
| 00:19.48 | balrog-kun | i guess even FreeBSD will be stuck with u-boot for now |
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| 00:53.10 | billl_ | counter |
| 00:53.10 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 11:06:49 (10.463 +-10.0 days) (759,149) |
| 00:54.52 | CoreDump|home | What's the "h" standing for? (Now that we know what d and o mean ;) ) |
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| 01:29.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page/kr]] [[Template:Languages]] |
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| 02:13.38 | pjz | OE update today? |
| 02:14.09 | pjz | or maybe it's a mokomakefile update |
| 02:21.09 | pjz | man, portmap is still killing my build |
| 02:26.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[User:Php5]] [[Main_Page/kr]] |
| 02:26.52 | pjz | ? |
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| 05:46.08 | Mandarino | Hi! |
| 05:46.10 | Mandarino | counter |
| 05:46.11 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 06:13:48 (10.260 +-10.0 days) (760,149) |
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| 06:39.54 | empty_mind | anyone able to access qemu-neo1973 |
| 06:40.01 | empty_mind | anyone able to access qemu-neo1973 from svn |
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| 06:56.54 | rwhitby | empty_mind: "make update" pulls it in for me - it's in /home/moko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973 |
| 06:57.33 | empty_mind | rwhitby, got it working. Actually wiki says pull over https but it works over http |
| 06:58.17 | rwhitby | I'll probably add some mokomakefile targets to build it sometime ... |
| 06:58.28 | rwhitby | (once I get around to building it myself) |
| 06:59.21 | empty_mind | rwhitby, sure |
| 07:03.56 | rwhitby | guess I'll make it build under /home/moko/build/qemu/... |
| 07:08.22 | empty_mind | rwhitby, good idea |
| 07:09.01 | empty_mind | rwhitby, or ${OMDIR}/build/deploy/qemu |
| 07:09.13 | rwhitby | why deploy? |
| 07:11.23 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:13.07 | empty_mind | ok |
| 07:16.40 | achaoge | hi, I'm testing "openmoko under qemu" followed "http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU", but at the u-boot menu, how to send [power] key to execute? |
| 07:16.40 | aloril | achaoge: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 07:17.29 | empty_mind | in case i already have images built do i need to execute download.sh and flash.sh for qemu-neo1973 |
| 07:20.33 | empty_mind | achaoge, you need to do it through qemu monitor. There is a command system_powerdown for qemu monitor |
| 07:22.40 | achaoge | empty_mind: On boot menu screen, it display " Press [AUX] to select, [POWER] TO EXECUTE." |
| 07:23.08 | achaoge | empty_mind: where the [POWER] ? |
| 07:23.26 | empty_mind | achaoge, no idea, i am trying to build the image here. I told you generic qemu instruction |
| 07:23.38 | empty_mind | achaoge, did you load software into the build ? |
| 07:24.32 | achaoge | empty_mind: I just followed http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU |
| 07:25.07 | empty_mind | achaoge, did you exeute download.sh and flash.sh ? |
| 07:25.18 | achaoge | yeah. |
| 07:26.19 | empty_mind | achaoge, no idea, might be able to help you after i have built my image |
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| 07:43.49 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r67 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Modified to use a stamps directory, to be able to detect and recover from failed mtn downloads and failed svn checkouts. Thanks to Donnie Smith. |
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| 07:52.10 | rwhitby | anyone seen this error while building qemu-neo1973? |
| 07:52.14 | rwhitby | /home/moko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/exec.c:1385: error: `VirtPageDesc' undeclared (first use in this function) |
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| 07:52.23 | rwhitby | I get it both on Debian Etch and CentOS 4.4 |
| 07:53.35 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r68 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Added qemu target for building qemu-neo1973 |
| 07:54.37 | rwhitby | "make qemu" should now build the qemu-neo1973 target (I can't fully test it, cause the compile fails for me) |
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| 07:59.11 | rwhitby | Doh! target should be arm-softmmu |
| 08:06.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r69 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Fixed the qemu target - now builds correctly |
| 08:09.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rob * r1658 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-dialog.c): |
| 08:09.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 2007-04-05 Rob Bradford <rob@openedhand.com> |
| 08:09.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-dialog.c: (moko_dialog_init): |
| 08:09.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Remove close button. It isn't on the mockups. |
| 08:11.54 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rob * r1659 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard/gtk-2.0/ (3 files): |
| 08:11.54 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Add (temporary) background image for the MokoMessageDialog and the appropriate |
| 08:11.54 | CIA-16 | openmoko: them framework for using it. |
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| 08:18.17 | rwhitby | achaoge: "[Space] for AUX button, [Enter] for POWER" |
| 08:18.30 | rwhitby | (at least that's what flash.sh says) |
| 08:19.29 | achaoge | rwhitby: thx |
| 08:19.59 | achaoge | and [space] for power here. |
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| 08:25.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rob * r1660 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 08:25.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 2007-04-05 Rob Bradford <rob@openedhand.com> |
| 08:25.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 08:25.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Need to use gdk-pixbuf pkg-config file. |
| 08:25.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * libmokoui/Makefile.am: |
| 08:25.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-message-dialog.c: |
| 08:25.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_message_dialog_get_property), |
| 08:25.54 | koen | gdk-pixbug |
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| 08:41.42 | koen | I wonder why nearly every vender does this wrong: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=412 |
| 08:41.57 | koen | I was suprised that this bug is present on OSX as well |
| 08:42.43 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1661 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-apps/openmoko-keyboard_svn.bb: oe: remove openmoko-keyboard in apps directory, the new location is openmoko-inputmethods |
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| 08:44.31 | koen | "the total number of allocated numbers for mobile phones in .nl will reach 60million" |
| 08:44.42 | koen | that's 4 numbers per inhabitant! |
| 08:52.07 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r70 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Enhanced the qemu target to download images and flash |
| 08:53.35 | rwhitby | does "lynx --hiddenlinks=listonly" work for everyone as a replacement for "lynx -listonly" (which doesn't work on Debian Etch or CentOS 4) ? |
| 08:53.50 | rwhitby | s/--hiddenlinks/-hiddenlinks/ |
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| 08:56.49 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r71 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ (lynx-listonly.patch series): Fixed the lynx listonly option - will see if this breaks for anyone before committing to the openmoko svn |
| 08:57.53 | florian | good morning |
| 08:59.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r72 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Don't use a stamp file to test for existence of OE.mtn, cause we don't want to download it again. |
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| 09:03.22 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r73 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Don't only use a stamp to mark the openembedded checkout |
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| 09:07.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[UI_Improvements]] [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] |
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| 09:57.38 | aloril | mickeyl: would creating [[V2 speculation]] page be OK at wiki.openmoko.org with some text like "this is unofficial speculation" or should those go to external site? |
| 10:00.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Fthiery]] |
| 10:00.38 | hrw | aloril: I would avoid having such page |
| 10:00.58 | koen | ~v12 |
| 10:01.11 | apt | it has been said that v12 is the next must-have in the Neo1973, http://www.ultimatestupidity.com/pics/1/diesel/ |
| 10:01.45 | aloril | added planet and reducing wiki changes interval to 2h |
| 10:02.08 | aloril | hrw: you mean openmoko wiki only or externally too? |
| 10:02.19 | koen | heh, the feedreader comes with preconfigured feeds :) |
| 10:03.43 | aloril | s/reducing/increasing/ |
| 10:04.51 | hrw | aloril: wiki |
| 10:04.54 | mickeyl | florian: do you remember offhand what getenv( GTK_SYLUS_DO_FN ) is for in libgtkstylus? |
| 10:06.14 | mickeyl | i thought it would be a global enable/disable, but it doesn't look like it. |
| 10:07.55 | florian | mickeyl: no - but pb_ would be the one who should know. |
| 10:08.13 | mickeyl | hmm, ok |
| 10:08.21 | mickeyl | but do you set that env var in GPE or not? |
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| 10:21.19 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r75 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ (qemu-download-wget-continue.patch series): Patched qemu download script to use wget -c |
| 10:22.26 | florian | mickeyl: no, we don't set it... only the GTK_MODULES thingy |
| 10:22.43 | mickeyl | k, thanks |
| 10:22.43 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r76 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Split qemu target into setup-qemu, build-qemu, and flash-qemu |
| 10:22.44 | mickeyl | very odd |
| 10:22.51 | mickeyl | i can't quite follow the logics of tap.c |
| 10:23.10 | mickeyl | strange thing is it no longer works on my PC |
| 10:23.13 | mickeyl | it used to |
| 10:24.08 | rwhitby | Can someone who uses MokoMakefile test the new "make qemu" target please? |
| 10:24.09 | koen | mickeyl: have you started on your moko-devmand yet? |
| 10:24.13 | XorA | rwhitby: will do |
| 10:24.14 | mickeyl | koen: no |
| 10:24.20 | mickeyl | not yet, that is |
| 10:25.36 | koen | robtaylor: I'm about to install hal 0.5.9 on my neo, any stuff I you want me to run? |
| 10:25.56 | hrw | koen: gnome-device-manager? :D |
| 10:26.15 | koen | mickeyl: 10:26:26 up 15 days, 20:14, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 <- p0 neo |
| 10:26.27 | mickeyl | very good :) |
| 10:26.32 | mickeyl | looks stable |
| 10:26.48 | koen | root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /etc/angstrom-version |
| 10:26.48 | koen | Angstrom test-20070405 |
| 10:26.50 | koen | :D |
| 10:26.52 | mickeyl | try with 266Mhz |
| 10:27.10 | hrw | koen: nonstop connected to usb 500mA power? |
| 10:27.26 | koen | hrw: yes |
| 10:27.40 | koen | workstation -> powered hub -> neo |
| 10:28.03 | hrw | my hub is 1.1 only and I have card reader connected to it... |
| 10:28.03 | robtaylor | koen: time `sh -c 'hald --daemon=no --exit-after-probing'` |
| 10:30.06 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1662 10/trunk/oe/packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb: oe: ship libgtkstylus in task-openmoko-ui |
| 10:30.29 | mickeyl | florian: next question... are you familiar with libgtkinput? |
| 10:30.34 | mickeyl | i'd like to make it less GPE specific |
| 10:31.02 | koen | mickeyl: gpe-dm needs some work to function correctly with openmoko GUIs |
| 10:32.23 | florian | mickeyl: only a little bit... |
| 10:32.52 | mickeyl | ok, nm, let me take a lok |
| 10:32.54 | mickeyl | look, even |
| 10:32.59 | mickeyl | koen: we don't use it yet. what doesn't work? |
| 10:33.39 | florian | mickeyl: but it should be quite generic except of the naming of the settings. |
| 10:35.44 | florian | mickeyl: you could take a look at the ptim stuff as well, it implements a more complex input framework and should be modular and designed to support multiple input methods. |
| 10:36.05 | mickeyl | i will |
| 10:36.05 | koen | mickeyl: it seems to dislike the exit codes of the scripts used in xserver-kdrive-common |
| 10:36.08 | florian | i'll try to put that into oe today |
| 10:36.12 | mickeyl | ok, cool |
| 10:36.17 | koen | mickeyl: I tested it briefly, will look into it later |
| 10:36.22 | mickeyl | koen: k, thanks |
| 10:36.55 | mickeyl | i'll need to do a thorough look into both what's published in gpe² and access |
| 10:37.12 | mickeyl | and this time i even think i'll have time for it in a couple of weeks |
| 10:37.22 | mickeyl | *tapping on wood* |
| 10:37.26 | florian | hehe |
| 10:38.02 | florian | mickeyl: we didn't find much reusable stuff in Hiker |
| 10:39.01 | florian | the gpephone-devel mailinglist archive should contain some of my comments about it :-) |
| 10:40.24 | mickeyl | righto, will take a look |
| 10:40.28 | mickeyl | i'm not subscribed yet |
| 10:40.57 | koen | 18k downloads of gpephone |
| 10:40.58 | mickeyl | re. libgtkinput.so, it is only supposed to handle selections or also popping up the software-keyboard on demand? |
| 10:41.12 | mickeyl | s/on demand/automatically/ |
| 10:41.18 | koen | mickeyl: it sends a message to mbinputmgr |
| 10:41.47 | koen | mickeyl: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/matchbox-applet-inputmanager/files/mbinputmgr-libgtkinput.patch |
| 10:42.23 | mickeyl | aah |
| 10:42.36 | mickeyl | stuff like that should be upstream |
| 10:42.49 | florian | koen: but some few things were dowloaded that many times that i guess it is a bug somehow |
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| 10:43.30 | florian | mickeyl: indeed... iirc pb_ submitted it but i didn't end up in a release so far. |
| 10:43.47 | mickeyl | ok, will pester Matthew when I'm calling him next time |
| 10:44.30 | koen | mickeyl: that patch can't go upstream |
| 10:44.35 | mickeyl | i know |
| 10:44.42 | mickeyl | but slightly adjusted |
| 10:44.47 | koen | mickeyl: for the simple reason it contains the substring 'gpe' |
| 10:44.57 | mickeyl | ya |
| 10:45.21 | koen | florian: are there plans to integrate phoneserver with gsmd? |
| 10:45.23 | mickeyl | so, mb-panel-2 is using the systray.so to enable interoperability with the executable dock applets? |
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| 10:45.59 | koen | mickeyl: sort off |
| 10:46.04 | mickeyl | heh, what does that mean? :D |
| 10:46.11 | florian | koen: not yet but i'll definitely invest some time to work on unifying these backends. |
| 10:46.28 | koen | executable docks applets abuse the systray features in current panels |
| 10:47.51 | XorA | rwhitby: gzip -c < splash > splash.gz |
| 10:47.51 | XorA | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/gg/zaurus/moko/build/qemu/openmoko' |
| 10:47.51 | XorA | ls: uImage-2.6-*-fic-gta01.bin: No such file or directory |
| 10:47.51 | XorA | stat: missing operand |
| 10:47.52 | XorA | Try `stat --help' for more information. |
| 10:47.52 | XorA | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 10:47.54 | XorA | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.56 | XorA | TypeError: hex() takes exactly one argument (0 given) |
| 10:47.58 | XorA | make: *** [flash-qemu] Error 255 |
| 10:48.56 | rwhitby | XorA: is that the download or flash script that's running at that point? |
| 10:49.13 | koen | robtaylor: http://rafb.net/p/eQicZx90.html |
| 10:49.39 | XorA | openmoko/download.sh: line 28: lynx: command not found would that be the problem? |
| 10:49.44 | XorA | I only just noticed that error |
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| 10:51.20 | robtaylor | koen: hmm, run hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes |
| 10:51.48 | XorA | rwhitby: I am now writing rootfs |
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| 11:05.01 | XorA | rwhitby: I now see Neo on qemu :-) |
| 11:05.21 | XorA | rwhitby: so it seems only two problems I had was no lynx and no netpbm installed |
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| 11:35.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1663 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/ (7 files in 7 dirs): applications: unify names in the desktop files |
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| 11:46.12 | rwhitby | XorA: would you have gone through the exercise of getting qemu running today if I hadn't added it to MokoMakefile? |
| 11:49.37 | antenagora | counter |
| 11:49.37 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 00:10:22 (10.007 +-10.0 days) (761,147) |
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| 12:04.44 | XorA | rwhitby: no way |
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| 12:08.34 | giggls | I would be interested in GPS accuracy of openmoko vs. SIRF III based receivers, do you know if anybody did such comparisons? |
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| 12:11.04 | hrw | no one here |
| 12:11.13 | hrw | we do not have working gps yet |
| 12:12.08 | giggls | hrw: a data logger would not need any high leven gui stuff, just gpsd |
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| 12:12.30 | hrw | giggls: neo1973 gps chip is not handled yet in software |
| 12:12.33 | hrw | in *any* form |
| 12:12.47 | giggls | ah ok |
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| 12:19.59 | rwhitby | XorA: any improvements (apart from checking for lynx and netpbm) that you can suggest for the qemu build? |
| 12:21.11 | rwhitby | the next task is to add "make run-qemu" and "make run-qemu-snapshot" targets |
| 12:21.48 | XorA | rwhitby: it all seemed smooth apart from that, it even told me the command line to run |
| 12:21.49 | rwhitby | and also make it easy to run the most recently built image, instead of downloaded files. |
| 12:22.31 | XorA | rwhitby: being able to run built imafe would be good |
| 12:22.33 | rwhitby | XorA: most of that was the existing work done by the guy who committed it. |
| 12:22.58 | rwhitby | yeah "make run-qemu-latest" will be the target for that. |
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| 12:39.33 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: why do you need to check for netpbm? (and what is netpbm?) |
| 12:39.59 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: XorA reported it was required |
| 12:40.18 | balrog-kun | ah, i should check it |
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| 12:40.43 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: to use your rootfs build, simply copy it to the openmoko/ directory with a date more recent than the downloaded image dates and rerun openmoko/flash.sh |
| 12:41.04 | balrog-kun | the whole script is a hack for the moment, but it should work |
| 12:41.11 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: yep, I know how to do it manually - just working out how to get the makefile to do it automatically. |
| 12:41.34 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: netpbm is the package which provides pngtopnm and pnmtorgb3 |
| 12:41.56 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: ah okay, then yes, splash.pl needs them |
| 12:42.43 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: i'm thinking of adding openmoko/flash.sh --rootfs path --uboot path --kernel path (optional) |
| 12:44.23 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: it would be good to just be able to point flash.sh to the tmp/deploy/images directory, and have it flash the latest files from there. Or maybe point the download.sh script to there instead of the remote buildhost site. |
| 12:46.06 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: are you ready for the exposure that MokoMakefile will give to the emulator ;-) (2000 downloads on mokomakefile so far, with 1000 of those in the last three weeks) |
| 12:46.29 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: pointing flash.sh to the directory sounds better |
| 12:46.43 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: that |
| 12:46.53 | balrog-kun | 's cool, lots of testers :) |
| 12:47.36 | rwhitby | announced on the community list. |
| 12:47.56 | balrog-kun | i will change a couple of things when i get ghome today, sorry if i break the MokoMakefile patches (the make/gmake one) |
| 12:48.23 | balrog-kun | i changed it to gmake because of BSD users, but then was suggested a better way to handle this |
| 12:48.52 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: if projects.openmoko.org was working, I would give you write access so you could change MokoMakefile in sync. |
| 12:49.33 | rwhitby | people can just comment out that line from patches/openmoko-HEAD/series to disable the patch |
| 12:50.03 | rwhitby | (until I wake up tomorrow) |
| 12:50.19 | koen | robtaylor: sorry for the delay: http://rafb.net/p/r0UNZL45.html |
| 12:50.45 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: okay. do you have access to the main svn? |
| 12:50.53 | rwhitby | yes |
| 12:51.09 | rwhitby | but didn't want to modify your files without talking with you first. |
| 12:51.12 | balrog-kun | you could just commit the changes to qemu tree too |
| 12:51.15 | balrog-kun | ah okay |
| 12:51.24 | koen | rwhitby: I'd be more at easy if the qemu stuff was a shell script instead of a makefile |
| 12:51.31 | koen | but that's just a personal preference |
| 12:51.41 | balrog-kun | i will do "svn update" from time to time |
| 12:51.45 | rwhitby | koen: you and I seem to have diametrically opposed views of scripts and makefiles. |
| 12:52.11 | rwhitby | and I'm not going to try and convince you ... |
| 12:52.45 | robtaylor | koen: thats odd, it all worked that time |
| 12:52.59 | rwhitby | balrog-kun's stuff is mostly scripts anyway. the makefile just calls download.sh and flash.sh |
| 12:53.01 | robtaylor | you seem to be missing usb.ids |
| 12:53.12 | rwhitby | download.sh correctly does not much if it already has the latest files. |
| 12:53.17 | koen | robtaylor: what provides usb.ids? |
| 12:53.24 | robtaylor | or if you're not interested in host functionlaity, you should configure ithout usp and pci funtionailyty |
| 12:53.54 | koen | robtaylor: for the moment I'll shy away from machine specific HAL packages |
| 12:54.10 | hrw | koen: usb.ids are not needed if you do not have usb host |
| 12:54.12 | koen | robtaylor: but it isn't hard to exclude usbhost and pci |
| 12:54.19 | hrw | koen: and on neo you do not have usb host |
| 12:54.32 | robtaylor | koen: are there any machines for OE with pci? ;) |
| 12:54.34 | koen | hrw: I do, for bluetooth |
| 12:54.39 | koen | robtaylor: lots |
| 12:54.51 | koen | robtaylor: tons of ixp machines with minipci |
| 12:54.54 | koen | and IOPs |
| 12:55.21 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: would you be really good is if someone at OM server HQ could do a script which symlinks the latest good images to well-known names, and then qemu and devirginator could both use those well-known names without having to do the "work out the latest files" each. |
| 12:55.31 | robtaylor | koen: hwdata, i think |
| 12:55.35 | rwhitby | s/would you be/what would be/ |
| 12:55.46 | robtaylor | koen: best check out the build-depends in the debian packaging |
| 12:55.57 | koen | rwhitby: OE .dev symlinks images to a well-know name for some time now |
| 12:56.30 | rwhitby | koen: yes, it would be good if lowlevel, uboot and the kernel all did the same. |
| 12:56.36 | koen | robtaylor: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=usb.ids&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
| 12:57.02 | robtaylor | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-utopia/packages/experimental/hal/?rev=0&sc=0 |
| 12:57.09 | koen | rwhitby: it would be better if there was a human step in between that selects stuff and puts in a seperate dir |
| 12:57.09 | rwhitby | night all |
| 12:57.12 | robtaylor | koen: and dont forget hal-info |
| 12:57.15 | hrw | n8 rod |
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| 12:57.16 | koen | 'night rwhitby |
| 12:57.31 | dcordes | any news on the neo release? |
| 12:57.33 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: yes, i was complaining about the same thing but later koen explained to me it's done in upstream OE already |
| 12:57.36 | hrw | koen: ah.. right |
| 12:57.37 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: night |
| 12:57.39 | koen | robtaylor: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=hal |
| 12:58.19 | hrw | koen: can you export feeds.db somewhere? I have few ideas for f-b |
| 12:58.47 | koen | sqldump or feeds.db.bz2 ? |
| 12:59.26 | hrw | bz2 |
| 12:59.51 | hrw | koen: and it will req mod_rewrite |
| 13:00.13 | hrw | f-b/hal f-b/section/base etc? |
| 13:01.43 | koen | hrw: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/feeds.db.bz2 |
| 13:01.46 | hrw | thx |
| 13:01.54 | koen | 4.3M |
| 13:01.58 | koen | 58M uncompressed |
| 13:02.17 | koen | it's still using the 'old' fb without 'type' |
| 13:02.29 | hrw | next week I will have 3072/512 at home |
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| 13:10.46 | noidd | mornin' ya'll |
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| 13:15.33 | koen | robtaylor: OE doesn't have hwdata |
| 13:15.47 | koen | 3, 2, 1... |
| 13:15.49 | koen | it has now :) |
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| 13:22.16 | koen | robtaylor: http://pastebin.ca/425372 |
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| 13:25.55 | koen | yay! |
| 13:25.56 | koen | udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_backlight' |
| 13:26.06 | koen | inux.sysfs_path = '/sys/class/backlight/gta01-bl' (string) |
| 13:26.12 | koen | proper backlight support in hal |
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| 13:32.27 | DukeOfURL | what is the recommended Ubuntu version? 6.10 or 6.06? |
| 13:32.41 | DenisBY | hey |
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| 13:33.48 | DenisBY | can't run openmoko under qemu. got only "bad magic number" and "Power-off requested" |
| 13:35.53 | DenisBY | also looks like space and enter keys swaped... |
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| 13:38.49 | buz | DukeOfURL: depends on what you plan on doing |
| 13:38.53 | Placid | i want a neo |
| 13:38.55 | Placid | badly |
| 13:39.09 | DukeOfURL | for the moko development environment |
| 13:39.10 | Placid | i want to ssh to my webserver and `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade` while i'm in the pub |
| 13:39.20 | Placid | just because i can |
| 13:41.00 | robtaylor | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.04 | robtaylor | argh |
| 13:50.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] |
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| 14:07.15 | Stephmw | ... debugging localisation bugs is a pain in the backside... |
| 14:08.59 | ozamosi | Stephmw: I'm swedish - you want me to translate? |
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| 14:11.11 | sannes | counter |
| 14:11.11 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 2 days 22:54:24 (9.954 +-10.0 days) (762,147) |
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| 14:35.11 | kiney | counter |
| 14:35.12 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 2 days 22:42:24 (9.946 +-9.9 days) (763,147) |
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| 14:40.25 | kiney | on what information is the counter based at the moment? |
| 14:43.53 | thomasg_ | afaik old date plus a week :) |
| 14:45.04 | kiney | ok |
| 14:45.25 | kiney | becaus of this instability bug they are searching? |
| 14:45.56 | thomasg_ | kiney, in the statement was something about "a few bugs" and they do not know if they are hardware or software |
| 14:46.46 | kiney | ok |
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| 14:54.32 | buz | DukeOfURL: probably edgy, possibly feisty (seems much more polished to me even for a beta version) |
| 15:09.05 | DukeOfURL | buz: I don't understand. Ubuntu web page says 6.10 supported until 2008, 6.06 supported until 2011. |
| 15:09.19 | thomasg_ | DukeOfURL, yes, thats right |
| 15:09.52 | DukeOfURL | does this mean I should use 6.06 because it will get more support? |
| 15:09.54 | thomasg_ | windows xp is supported until 2014, vista until 2012 or something like this |
| 15:10.35 | thomasg_ | this means you can chose between a version with long term support for old app versions, or an actual version with newer apps and shorter support for them |
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| 15:17.07 | roh | DukeOfURL dapper is 'LTS' long term support and thus really good polished.. use it myself (but will propably update to 7.04 on the new machine) |
| 15:17.36 | DukeOfURL | what version of Ubuntu are the openmoko developers using in Taipei? |
| 15:18.03 | roh | dunno. everything supported should work |
| 15:18.13 | DukeOfURL | ok, thanks |
| 15:18.19 | roh | you only have to update mtn to a sane version |
| 15:18.26 | roh | like described in the wiki |
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| 15:22.32 | Mandarino | His! |
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| 15:29.53 | rhalff | komt ie ook in nederland uit ? :D |
| 15:29.53 | aloril | rhalff: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 16:17.27 | buz | roh: feisty works really well, much better than even dapper |
| 16:19.19 | buz | if only it didnt have ati graphics |
| 16:20.34 | thomasg_ | the ati graphics chip in my thinkpad isn't so bad :) |
| 16:20.34 | thomasg_ | because there are free drivers available |
| 16:20.34 | buz | wel lthats only true for the old ones |
| 16:20.34 | buz | not for X1?000 |
| 16:20.39 | thomasg_ | ok :) |
| 16:20.39 | buz | and the binary drivers cant even do aigly |
| 16:20.39 | buz | aiglx |
| 16:22.35 | roh | buz: x1300/1400 depending on the series. an yeah, the binary drivers suck. even if you do not care about aiglx |
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| 16:27.43 | buz | lenovo switzerland wants 30% more for the intel 950 version |
| 16:27.48 | buz | what kind of twisted logic is that |
| 16:30.42 | roh | buz: 30%more? but not with the big panel res.? |
| 16:30.58 | buz | otherwise same specs |
| 16:31.02 | buz | (less hd actually) |
| 16:32.14 | buz | and of course i want 1650*1080 |
| 16:32.20 | buz | wtf wants wxga |
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| 16:49.24 | roh | buz: i cannot find any 1650*1080 t-series with intel graphics |
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| 16:54.45 | roh | ah.. found it |
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| 16:55.52 | roh | buz: but only 2 instead of 2.3ghz |
| 16:59.16 | PBeck | hi |
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| 17:10.27 | concept10 | would it be efficient to run python apps on the neo1973? |
| 17:10.28 | aloril | concept10: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:18.01 | buz | roh: what model number? |
| 17:18.33 | koen | concept10: no, it wouldn't |
| 17:18.58 | koen | concept10: only for prototyping, for anything else c/c++ beats the hell out of python concerning performance |
| 17:22.43 | roh | UY037GE it seems |
| 17:24.35 | zecke | koen: python is just a language |
| 17:25.11 | koen | zecke: yeah, php is the way to go |
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| 17:26.09 | zecke | koen: I was schocked when I saw pypy's performance numbers |
| 17:26.10 | koen | zecke: did you manage to get gtkhtml[1-3] working with the rss reader yet? |
| 17:26.54 | zecke | koen: I didn't try it. I will re-evaluate my strategy on the 11th |
| 17:27.35 | koen | s/2 1.5/1.5/ |
| 17:28.11 | roh | koen: then have fun making the best of it :) |
| 17:28.46 | koen | roh: one week is claimed by CELF |
| 17:29.07 | koen | the remaining half by getting a @#&$*@&*($@# SDK built |
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| 17:33.38 | roh | koen: *yikes* |
| 17:33.54 | roh | koen: but greet dok from me if you meet hin there |
| 17:34.09 | zecke | roh: he won't present this talk |
| 17:34.30 | roh | oh, who does it then? |
| 17:34.40 | zecke | roh: http://www.celinux.org/elc2007/sessions.html |
| 17:34.48 | koen | Takanari Hayama |
| 17:35.20 | greentux | evening... |
| 17:35.33 | koen | aka "exploiting zecke: trading code for snacks" |
| 17:35.47 | roh | koen then i wish you good talks there |
| 17:36.00 | koen | thanks |
| 17:36.17 | koen | I hope my p0 battery survives it ;) |
| 17:36.28 | zecke | koen: avoid the words "steal" "violation" "GPL" but use "Return of Investment" :) |
| 17:36.51 | koen | zecke: and MVMD? |
| 17:37.12 | roh | zecke *sigh* |
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| 17:37.41 | zecke | koen: as long as they don't get it :) |
| 17:37.50 | koen | roh: seriously, OE got warned not to use "open" too much, since some companies dislike statements like that |
| 17:38.08 | zecke | koen: e.g. try to pick up the MV CEO with a big blinking "MVMD" sign ;) |
| 17:38.44 | roh | koen: then one should sta away from such companies |
| 17:39.03 | koen | roh: sony, motorola and intel? |
| 17:39.06 | koen | (and more) |
| 17:40.03 | zecke | roh: well we are open and integrate :) |
| 17:40.28 | roh | koen: yes. if needed. atm the winds have been never been better for real opensource and i think thats to increase |
| 17:40.36 | buz | roh: yeah i get the ati one for little over half the price |
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| 17:40.58 | roh | besides that licenses make it crystal clear what open means ;) |
| 17:41.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Hardware]] |
| 17:41.31 | roh | buz you can ignore pricing at ibms site.. we get up to 50% rebate here in germany if ordered by a student |
| 17:41.33 | koen | roh: I have become a bit more pragmatic, I try to spread the word at events like ELC while being 'safe' enough to get my trip funded |
| 17:41.40 | buz | roh: yeah i know |
| 17:42.00 | buz | but pricing for lenovo employees is even better, on the models they can get |
| 17:42.39 | buz | (actually, at times, store prices are better than student rebates which is a shame) |
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| 17:43.30 | roh | koen: thats propably the best way of interfering. |
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| 18:00.48 | hrw | re |
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| 18:13.51 | Mandarino | Aish |
| 18:13.53 | Mandarino | counter |
| 18:13.53 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 2 days 20:53:03 (9.870 +-9.9 days) (764,147) |
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| 18:17.53 | Stephmw | Ooo, the error is decreasing |
| 18:18.15 | ajturner | Stephmw is excitement ~ 1/error ? |
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| 18:27.09 | Stephmw | ajturner: s/de/in/ ... you'd still have the excitement :D |
| 18:27.55 | ajturner | I also like how the error > value |
| 18:28.28 | Stephmw | that's a bonus |
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| 18:34.13 | Mandarino | Hi SpeedEvil |
| 18:34.16 | Mandarino | How are you? |
| 18:34.37 | SpeedEvil | Ok. Forgetful - I managed to not join after a disconnect. |
| 18:34.46 | SpeedEvil | Has P2 been released yet? |
| 18:34.48 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 18:35.08 | Mandarino | :? |
| 18:35.18 | Mandarino | First must go 1.5 |
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| 18:36.39 | Mandarino | Hi loufoque |
| 18:36.58 | loufoque | who may you be, Mandarino? |
| 18:37.22 | Mandarino | :? |
| 18:38.18 | ajturner | anyone else here a Google SoC Mentor? |
| 18:38.20 | loufoque | why do you suddenly say "hi" to a stranger? |
| 18:38.39 | Mandarino | Who is the stranger? |
| 18:38.41 | Mandarino | you? |
| 18:38.47 | loufoque | yes. |
| 18:38.59 | pH5 | loufoque: that's what people do on irc. they chat :) |
| 18:39.07 | Mandarino | If I talked to you a couple weeks ago |
| 18:39.35 | Mandarino | You recommend a dedicated server ¬_¬ |
| 18:39.35 | loufoque | pH5: I thought people just idled |
| 18:40.04 | pH5 | loufoque: hehe. yes, most of the time. |
| 18:41.02 | ajturner | if there aren't more Google SoC mentors (and they vote/comment) OpenMoko won't get any of it's projects chosen |
| 18:41.33 | cjb | hmph. I can be a mentor if you just want people to vote/comment. |
| 18:41.44 | ajturner | cjb - and be mentors |
| 18:42.00 | cjb | that takes more time :) |
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| 18:42.06 | Stephmw | loufoque: careful, they're out to get you. But you can trust *me*. |
| 18:42.08 | ajturner | there are 57 submissions!! |
| 18:42.16 | ajturner | and so far I'm the only one that has commented/rated |
| 18:42.32 | ajturner | this is an easy way for OpenMoko to get a lot of kick-off work done |
| 18:42.36 | balrog-kun | i'm a mentor but not for OpenMoko :p |
| 18:42.53 | ajturner | balrog-kun, why not? |
| 18:43.22 | loufoque | Mandarino: I don't remember anything about a dedicated server |
| 18:43.28 | cjb | ajturner: surely you need to get the people who work for openmoko involved |
| 18:43.28 | balrog-kun | ajturner: because i'm not so much part of the project and i'm already a mentor for a different organisation |
| 18:44.12 | ajturner | cjb - I've pinged them via email, but nothing yet |
| 18:44.20 | ajturner | agreed though |
| 18:44.29 | ajturner | so hoping to get movement from the bottom up |
| 18:47.01 | cjb | I think that's pretty vital to having a reasonable SoC. |
| 18:48.29 | zween | ajturner, I am one of the 57 students. Are there no other mentors, or are there others who just have not rated yet? |
| 18:48.29 | aloril | zween: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 18:49.23 | ajturner | zween - I don't work for OpenMoko/FIC, so I don't know who they've approved, that isn't viewable |
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| 18:50.02 | zween | ahh, ok. I just thought as a mentor you see a bit more ;-) |
| 18:50.18 | zween | For students, the google page is pretty empty. |
| 18:50.48 | ajturner | zween - I see all 57 subs and total comments/votes, but if someone is a mentor but hasn't done antyhing ,then no :/ |
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| 18:51.57 | zween | interesting. I thought for mentors that there must be some way of getting to know other mentors. But thats probably coming later. |
| 18:53.35 | ajturner | well, we can "communicate" through comments on projects |
| 18:53.47 | ajturner | but really, it's up to the mentoring org to organize this |
| 18:53.55 | ajturner | other projects I'm a potential mentor for do that |
| 18:54.04 | ajturner | OpenMoko core is just unusually silent |
| 18:54.12 | ajturner | heads-down, full-steam ahead |
| 18:56.35 | zween | ajturner, I am sure there will be a solution when it comes to the real work. and if it is the mentors and students doing it their selves. |
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| 18:59.26 | ajturner | right, the projects can happen regardless |
| 18:59.40 | ajturner | the nice thing is, google is willing to throw money at these projects so students can focus - not to mention visibility |
| 18:59.53 | ajturner | it's silly not to spend a little bit of time reviewing these apps in hopes of getting 2-10 funded |
| 19:04.55 | zween | 254 Users in this channel. Mentors! There must be some mentors under them. |
| 19:04.58 | zween | I am still optimistic that other mentors are out there and just have not rated yet. |
| 19:05.46 | ajturner | I'm not so sure... :( |
| 19:05.55 | ajturner | unfortunately, Google gauges funding based on Mentor interest |
| 19:06.01 | ajturner | so since I"m the only one, they may not fund any |
| 19:06.05 | ajturner | or just 1 |
| 19:06.10 | ajturner | *maybe* |
| 19:06.40 | Clint | do they have to be reviewed before i get hardware? |
| 19:07.23 | balrog-kun | there's really only one mentor? |
| 19:07.28 | cjb | The problem is that the project is so new that most people don't have hardware, yet alone enough experience in anything OpenMoko-related to be a good mentor. |
| 19:07.36 | cjb | Which is why FIC needs to take a lead. |
| 19:07.38 | ajturner | balrog-kun - unclear, so far I'm the only one who has reviewed |
| 19:07.40 | balrog-kun | i think the deadline for registering mentors is closed now? |
| 19:07.48 | ajturner | balrog-kun, it is |
| 19:07.51 | ajturner | I believe |
| 19:07.52 | ajturner | maybenot |
| 19:07.53 | balrog-kun | okay |
| 19:07.57 | ajturner | might be April 11, let me check |
| 19:07.58 | koen | cjb: that assumes the 57 projects are insanely OM specific |
| 19:08.17 | cjb | I think most of the ones on the ideas page were. |
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| 19:08.43 | ajturner | they are not |
| 19:09.09 | ajturner | OM specific, I mean that you could know BT, SMS, Electronics, etc. to be a good mentor |
| 19:09.54 | ajturner | balrog-kun - it's not clear if mentor apps are cloed |
| 19:09.56 | ajturner | closed |
| 19:10.04 | ajturner | it wouldn't hurt to email core-team and request to be a mentor |
| 19:10.12 | koen | google is pretty lenient with mentors registering |
| 19:10.27 | ajturner | koen - are you a mentor? |
| 19:10.31 | koen | probably CC: soc2007support |
| 19:10.53 | koen | ajturner: no, I'm hoping to be without internet during summer |
| 19:11.04 | ajturner | heh - wishful thinking |
| 19:11.11 | koen | traveling through scotland |
| 19:11.18 | ajturner | nice |
| 19:11.22 | ajturner | keeping a geoblog? |
| 19:11.45 | ajturner | just post to it via mobile email |
| 19:12.10 | zween | koen, we have nice pubs with wifi in edinburgh ;-) |
| 19:12.46 | zween | "scotland" is no excuse for not being online ;-P |
| 19:13.09 | koen | zween: I suspect the pubs XorA|gone will show me have no wifi ;) |
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| 19:32.30 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 2 days 20:13:45 (9.843 +-9.8 days) (765,147) |
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| 19:59.46 | Elrond | Hi mickeyl! |
| 19:59.54 | mickeyl | cheers Elrond, how are things? |
| 19:59.58 | LarstiQ | hi both |
| 20:04.13 | Elrond | mickeyl - Fine. :-)) |
| 20:04.21 | Magon | mickeyl: hi, are you planning to use raw dbus api or glib bindings? |
| 20:04.30 | mickeyl | glib |
| 20:04.35 | Magon | ok |
| 20:04.36 | mickeyl | raw dbus is hell |
| 20:04.38 | mickeyl | :) |
| 20:04.42 | Elrond | mickeyl - I'll check the kernel issue this weekend again and file a bug if/when. :-) |
| 20:04.46 | Magon | i just got to know |
| 20:04.50 | mickeyl | Elrond: ok, cool, thanks |
| 20:05.24 | Elrond | mickeyl - Are you allowed to tell us, what the instabilities are, that Sean was talking about? (Or was it already posted somewhere anyway?) |
| 20:06.21 | mickeyl | Elrond: to be honest, i have no idea. I'm totally out of the loop regarding Bv4 |
| 20:06.36 | mickeyl | I'm getting more info tomorrow |
| 20:06.48 | mickeyl | coreteam meeting here at my place |
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| 20:06.58 | Elrond | FFM? ;) |
| 20:07.02 | mickeyl | yep |
| 20:07.22 | Elrond | Sometime I need to take the train and we should meet somewhere in ffm. ;) |
| 20:07.57 | Magon | mickeyl: how you can have meeting when coreteam is from around the world..or it isnt? |
| 20:10.06 | mickeyl | Magon: coreteam is Berlin, Buenos Aires, Taipeh, Frankfurt. |
| 20:10.22 | mickeyl | Sean and Harald will come to Frankfurt |
| 20:10.30 | SrRaven | I live close to frankfurt :O |
| 20:10.34 | mickeyl | Werner (Buenos Aires) not this time |
| 20:10.58 | mickeyl | SrRaven: Main or Oder? |
| 20:10.59 | Magon | ok so most of coreteam is from germany... |
| 20:11.11 | SrRaven | main |
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| 20:11.24 | mickeyl | well, 50% is germany, yeah |
| 20:11.57 | mickeyl | but what's coreteam and what not is also slightly diffuse |
| 20:12.02 | mickeyl | anyway, three of us meet :) |
| 20:12.02 | Magon | :-) |
| 20:12.10 | Magon | mickeyl: is there yet spec about neod? or dbus api? |
| 20:12.17 | mickeyl | sorry, neither one yet |
| 20:12.22 | mickeyl | only in my head |
| 20:12.45 | loufoque | what's neod? |
| 20:12.51 | Magon | i have decided to help with dbus...reading througt dbus API doc and glib binding doc |
| 20:12.57 | loufoque | the neo demon? |
| 20:13.43 | Magon | loufoque: yes |
| 20:14.09 | MacNorth | i like the sound of an occult phone :^) |
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| 21:06.34 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03andrew * r1664 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/ (Makefile download.sh env flash.sh): |
| 21:06.34 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Take script compatibility-related suggestions from various people on IRC |
| 21:06.34 | CIA-16 | openmoko: and wiki into account. |
| 21:06.34 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Correct button assignment message. |
| 21:06.34 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Add optional parameter to openmoko/flash.sh with search path for images. |
| 21:19.11 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:28.27 | LarstiQ | moin rwhitby |
| 21:32.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] |
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| 21:35.30 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1665 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/s3c2410-usb-switch.patch: add (inactive) patch for usb host/device switching |
| 21:38.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r77 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/series: Remove qemu patches that have been resolved upstream. |
| 21:40.20 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03andrew * r1666 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/nand.c: Fix a NAND erase block size off-by-one error. |
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| 21:56.51 | kiney | counter |
| 21:56.51 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 2 days 19:01:34 (9.793 +-9.8 days) (766,147) |
| 21:57.44 | SpeedEvil | maybe a week. |
| 21:57.57 | SpeedEvil | Maybe three, depending on how things fall out of the latest bug. |
| 21:59.08 | LetoTo | what's the latest bug? |
| 21:59.26 | SpeedEvil | the latest batch of hardware has unspecified bugs. |
| 21:59.36 | SpeedEvil | these may or may not be software workaroundable. |
| 21:59.59 | SpeedEvil | there are at the moment no large quantities of PCBs sitting around of V4 hardware. |
| 22:00.30 | SpeedEvil | All it awaits if it's software workaroundable is for the PCBs to be ordered (few days) and the boards assembled from stocks of parts. |
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| 22:01.17 | SpeedEvil | If it's not, then new pcbs need designed, tested, then ... |
| 22:02.39 | kiney | ok... |
| 22:02.42 | koen | SpeedEvil: testing? |
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| 22:04.14 | jackey | hey guys |
| 22:04.30 | jackey | Is Neo ready for order? |
| 22:04.46 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 22:05.10 | SpeedEvil | week or three. |
| 22:05.24 | jackey | delayed ? |
| 22:05.33 | jackey | why? |
| 22:05.47 | jackey | Will it have a wifi module? |
| 22:06.02 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:06.03 | SpeedEvil | bugs, no. |
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| 22:06.34 | SpeedEvil | faq? |
| 22:06.34 | aloril | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ |
| 22:06.51 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ |
| 22:06.54 | SpeedEvil | is useful |
| 22:15.20 | greghunt | have they found a suitable wifi chip yet? |
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| 22:20.57 | aevin | greghunt: read the blog post of Welte from March 25 here http://planet.openmoko.org/ |
| 22:22.46 | greghunt | "sort of maybe" then :) |
| 22:26.09 | aevin | yup, it looks promising for wifi in "P1.5" |
| 22:29.26 | greghunt | i guess initially it just needs to get on the market, then you cna work on lowing power consumption/more features/designs etc |
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| 22:46.21 | balrog-kun | reverse order imho |
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| 22:47.43 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: yeah, first impressions are hard to shake |
| 22:47.58 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: can you add "-c" to the wget call in download.sh? |
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| 22:48.28 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: oh, i forgot about the -c |
| 22:48.43 | balrog-kun | lemme look it up in the manual first |
| 22:49.44 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: adding it, but it won't change anything in the current form |
| 22:49.54 | balrog-kun | since i'm not checking the filesizes |
| 22:50.49 | balrog-kun | ah no, i'm checking for zero-sized files, only |
| 22:51.53 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: at one point I was getting index.html.1 .2 .3 ... etc - this stopped that. |
| 22:52.39 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: humm, it isn't supposed to download index.html at all |
| 22:53.21 | rwhitby | yeah, that was when the listonly option was broken |
| 22:54.06 | balrog-kun | http://projects.openmoko.org viewcvs is giving me a python exception |
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| 22:55.59 | balrog-kun | it seems the -listonly switch is only in latest lynx, FreeBSD and Debian don't have it yet |
| 22:56.05 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: do i add the -c? |
| 22:56.23 | jebba | man this project really needs a different name for the spanish speaking world. "OpenSnot" is very difficult to talk to people about (I'm in Argentina) |
| 22:56.23 | Elrond | mickeyl - *making fun* Where should we come tomorrow to catch Sean ? ;o) |
| 22:56.41 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: only if you think it will allow people to resume downloads |
| 22:56.44 | balrog-kun | jebba: heh |
| 22:57.24 | mickeyl | Elrond: guess what, we have a _really_ tight schedule for these two days :/ |
| 22:57.31 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: for that i would need to parse the filesizes in the script |
| 22:57.31 | jebba | I hang out with a guy who has a cell tower gear/router repair business and don't even want to mention it due to the name.... |
| 22:57.52 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: it can be done, but i think it's not worth and the scripts are more of a temporary solution |
| 22:58.05 | rwhitby | sure |
| 22:58.23 | rwhitby | don't worry about it then |
| 22:58.35 | balrog-kun | jebba: i think you can say "mucus" in english too |
| 22:58.42 | Elrond | mickeyl - I guessed that. |
| 22:58.44 | balrog-kun | jebba: i don't know why nobody has thought about it |
| 22:59.25 | jebba | well, i say the name in a spanish speaking conversation (we're both speaking spanish--he doesn't speak english). So if I /say/ "OpenMoko" he /hears/ "OpenSnot" |
| 22:59.56 | jebba | or OpenMucus if you prefer... |
| 23:00.23 | balrog-kun | yeah, there is a couple of marketting issues when you're approaching international markets :) |
| 23:00.53 | balrog-kun | i think Mitsubishi once renamed the Pajero model for spanish market |
| 23:01.40 | thomasg_ | yes, they did |
| 23:02.08 | jebba | i feel kind of trollish bringing it up, but for me it's real. I just don't even want to talk about it here! Or at least mention the name... |
| 23:02.17 | thomasg_ | maybe it didnt sound good when little marco tells his friend: my father has a big pajero :) |
| 23:02.28 | jebba | heh |
| 23:02.45 | balrog-kun | jebba: use names Neo1973 & Linux exclusively ;) |
| 23:03.09 | SpeedEvil | Or use the spanish name. |
| 23:03.12 | SpeedEvil | OpenSnot. |
| 23:03.27 | jebba | ya, i do say free software (software libre) and such. The issue kind of came to me when I thought "Oh, I should write down the URL..." then i balked. |
| 23:03.31 | loufoque | why do the spanish have a specific name? |
| 23:03.33 | jebba | SpeedEvil, heh. |
| 23:03.52 | jebba | loufoque, they don't have a specific name but Moko means snot/mucus in spanish. |
| 23:04.03 | SrRaven | better than what pajero means |
| 23:04.05 | balrog-kun | loufoque: it's just a literal translation, it's not a separate spanish name |
| 23:04.47 | loufoque | when you say snot, you mean that yellowish thing that goes out of your nose when you've caught a cold? |
| 23:04.48 | balrog-kun | it's strange cause one of the core developers is from BsAs |
| 23:06.25 | balrog-kun | loufoque: that's what moco means |
| 23:06.37 | jebba | balrog-kun, ya, but he's not a native speaker (i don't think--he's german/austrian right?) so it may not have "hit" him when he heard it. |
| 23:07.15 | loufoque | what is moko supposed to mean in english? |
| 23:07.23 | loufoque | mobile communicator or something? |
| 23:07.35 | balrog-kun | jebba: i wouldn't know, maybe it's just his name |
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| 23:10.53 | thomasg_ | hm, using the neo as a pc input device (over bluetooth) would be cool :) |
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| 23:13.50 | SrRaven | wow since when does eplus offer online :O |
| 23:14.47 | rwhitby | thomasg_: I currently use a Treo650 as an input device over bluetooth for the Neo ... |
| 23:16.07 | thomasg_ | rwhitby, how do you do that? vnc? ore as bluetooth mouse? |
| 23:16.20 | rwhitby | ssh :-) |
| 23:16.25 | thomasg_ | hm, ok |
| 23:16.34 | rwhitby | yeah, not really an input device as such :-) |
| 23:16.51 | thomasg_ | what I meant was using the neo as graphics tablett (like the wacoms) |
| 23:18.40 | balrog-kun | iirc you can use a Zaurus for this with the default firmware and over usb |
| 23:20.59 | thomasg_ | balrog-kun, yes, but I dont have a zaurus (and I wont have), but I will have a neo :) |
| 23:22.08 | balrog-kun | thomasg_: i'm just saying that it should be possible :) |
| 23:23.09 | thomasg_ | yes :) |
| 23:28.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Hardware]] |
| 23:49.47 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03andrew * r1667 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (Makefile.target hw/modem.c hw/neo1973.c vl.h): |
| 23:49.47 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Add a dummy modem attached to UART0 (most functions unimplemented). |
| 23:49.47 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Clean-up the Neo board file. |
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| 23:51.42 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 2 days 18:04:09 (9.753 +-9.8 days) (767,147) |
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| 23:57.39 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: please commit to the qemu tree when you have any changes |
| 23:58.41 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: ok, thx. |
| 23:58.55 | rwhitby | I'll try not to break too much. |