| 00:01.00 | don-o | roh: i see. well there are teaming hordes scrounging for any info you can throw at them. |
| 00:01.02 | SpeedEvil | I've put some into [[neo1973]] and [[faq]] entries in the wiki. |
| 00:01.09 | don-o | or at least thats how it feels to me :) |
| 00:06.01 | roh | SpeedEvil where do you take the 14th from? |
| 00:11.17 | peepsalot | does anyone know specifically what the problem is they are having with the latest hardware(or software as the case may be) revision? |
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| 00:13.34 | roh | peepsalot no new problems. its just about testing before producing |
| 00:15.46 | peepsalot | roh: ok. from reading the community update from Sean Moss-Pultz, it sounded like there was some new issues. the exact phrase was "stability issues" |
| 00:16.04 | peepsalot | i was just curious what sort of issues those might be |
| 00:16.25 | don-o | is this the same FIC http://www.fic.com.tw/, and does that page load for anyone? |
| 00:16.51 | peepsalot | does not load for me don-o |
| 00:18.22 | peepsalot | and yes it would appear that should be the correct address |
| 00:24.31 | roh | peepsalot i dunno exactly what he means. |
| 00:25.59 | peepsalot | are you part of the core team roh? if so may I ask what role you play? |
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| 00:26.51 | roh | peepsalot i will take care of supporting the devs |
| 00:29.53 | don-o | roh: the devs meaning other paid openmoko developers? |
| 00:30.25 | roh | don-o yes. as well as unpaid so far possible |
| 00:32.22 | aevin | anyone tried to put their neo1973 in their pocket? |
| 00:32.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] |
| 00:32.58 | CoreDump|home | aevin: yeah. |
| 00:33.20 | CoreDump|home | it comes w/ a protective case/bag |
| 00:33.44 | aevin | CoreDump|home: does it "work" or is it highly uncomfy? |
| 00:33.55 | aevin | s/highly/mostly |
| 00:34.02 | aevin | s/highly/mostly/ |
| 00:34.12 | CoreDump|home | works for me I guess. |
| 00:34.30 | CoreDump|home | Not that I'm carry it around a lot ATM ;) |
| 00:36.21 | aevin | i see. (but that will hopefully change) |
| 00:37.04 | CoreDump|home | with P1, yes I hope so =) |
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| 00:44.23 | aevin | hmm.. would it be possible to make mailman's archives at lists.openmoko.org show a timestamp for each individual post (while sorting by thread), or should I rather shut up and just use news.gmane.org or similar? |
| 00:45.22 | aevin | or perhaps easier: change the CSS style sheet to make visited and non-visited hyperlinks have different colors? |
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| 00:53.20 | aevin | +++http://lists.openmoko.org/style.css \n +a:visited { color: #FF9933; // yes, I am color blind ;-) } , or something. |
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| 02:57.29 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 04:31:15 (5.188 +-5.2 days) (733,143) |
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| 03:07.48 | aloril | absolute earliest, Friday maybe? (assuming its just software problem) |
| 03:10.50 | aloril | counter |
| 03:10.50 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 08:49:10 (11.367 +-7.0 days) (735,144) |
| 03:11.04 | aloril | lower limit is Friday, I guess it won't be before that ;-) |
| 03:17.54 | aloril | actually its quite uncertain whether its easy to fix or if more time is needed, increased to 10 days |
| 03:17.55 | aloril | counter |
| 03:17.55 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 5 days 08:42:04 (12.363 +-10.0 days) (736,144) |
| 03:18.10 | aloril | lower limit is now just 2.4 days away ;-) |
| 03:20.59 | don-o | whoho. new planet posts. |
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| 06:00.17 | Mandarino | His |
| 06:00.18 | Mandarino | counter |
| 06:00.19 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 5 days 05:59:40 (12.250 +-10.0 days) (737,144) |
| 06:00.53 | CM | Ho's :P |
| 06:02.54 | zipola | It's moving sooooo slowly. |
| 06:04.14 | CM | Still 216 ppl hanging around :) |
| 06:04.15 | Mandarino | I'm moving too fast - Artful dodger :P |
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| 06:30.17 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 06:31.41 | Mandarino | Hi |
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| 07:07.06 | sannes | counter |
| 07:07.06 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 5 days 04:52:53 (12.203 +-10.0 days) (738,144) |
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| 07:09.37 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 07:15.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] |
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| 07:43.36 | TRIsoft | Psi_: Ping |
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| 08:11.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Neo1973_Hardware/zh_cn]] |
| 08:12.54 | Psi_ | TRIsoft, yes |
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| 08:36.25 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Getting our batteries to charge |
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| 09:05.29 | Stephmw | hi guys |
| 09:05.42 | Psi_ | hi |
| 09:09.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch]] |
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| 09:45.33 | hrw | morning |
| 09:46.19 | Stephmw | heya |
| 09:48.34 | Rakshasa | 'lo |
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| 09:54.15 | TRIsoft | Psi_: late-Pong :D |
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| 10:25.27 | Psi_ | TRIsoft, huh? |
| 10:25.54 | TRIsoft | Psi_: We have a bit lag here with ping times of two hours, sry. |
| 10:26.09 | TRIsoft | Psi_: You told me yesterday to watch my email. What do i have to look for ? |
| 10:30.38 | Psi_ | did you not get my private message responce? |
| 10:31.31 | Stephmw | he probably didn't |
| 10:31.49 | Stephmw | messages from unregistered nicks just get dropped |
| 10:31.49 | TRIsoft | Psi_: Here ? Sorry, no. But i'm registered... *lookspuzzled* |
| 10:32.02 | Stephmw | TRIsoft: aye, but he doesn't seem to be |
| 10:32.14 | TRIsoft | Stephmw: OK, that's a reason |
| 10:32.32 | Psi_ | when i said, "check your mail", i was referring to the announcement about phase1 |
| 10:33.00 | Psi_ | you had just joined the channel and said "morning" so i figured you wouldnt have seen it yet |
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| 10:34.17 | TRIsoft | Psi_: Aaah. OK. |
| 10:35.11 | Psi_ | did you get my test responce to your test, just now? |
| 10:35.39 | TRIsoft | Psi_: Nope. |
| 10:37.47 | Psi_ | hehe, yeah, it must drop all PMs from non registered nicks |
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| 10:38.36 | TRIsoft | Psi_: Yes, it does :-( |
| 10:38.48 | Stephmw | TRIsoft: did you get mine? |
| 10:38.54 | Stephmw | ah, you did :) |
| 10:39.16 | Stephmw | I wish it informed the sender when it drops the message |
| 10:39.58 | TRIsoft | Stephmw: Yep. Would be a nice idea just for the case you forget to register after loggin in... |
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| 10:45.53 | WiggleCat | counter |
| 10:45.53 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 5 days 01:14:37 (12.052 +-10.0 days) (739,144) |
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| 11:53.45 | codeshepherd | is openmoko based neo1973 count |
| 11:54.55 | SrRaven | wha? |
| 11:54.55 | aloril | SrRaven: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 12:01.30 | WiggleCat | "Utilizing the Marvell® 88W8385 module and an open source driver available under GPL, the wifistix expansion board can be operated at speeds of 54 Mbps Ethernet, connects to any gumstix connex motherboard via the 92-pin bus header and has an onboard power input connecto" |
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| 12:02.03 | WiggleCat | is that not a solution to the "where's the wifi" problem? |
| 12:02.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] |
| 12:02.47 | koen|lab | WiggleCat: it's a powerhungry big chip |
| 12:02.57 | koen|lab | just look at the size of the wifistix board |
| 12:04.42 | WiggleCat | :'( |
| 12:09.34 | hrw | WiggleCat: and 8385 lack GPL driver |
| 12:10.49 | WiggleCat | "an open source driver available under GPL" |
| 12:11.09 | hrw | WiggleCat: we work to get driver working on it |
| 12:11.27 | WiggleCat | :) |
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| 12:36.46 | hrw | does someone have script to send PIN to gsm modem? |
| 12:48.56 | roh | hrw nope. i use a sim without pin atm, but when you connect to the gsmd you can get the event |
| 12:49.31 | roh | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Usage_of_shell_mode documents that |
| 12:54.19 | hrw | roh: nokia6210 refused to disable pin on card which I use |
| 12:56.49 | zecke | mickeyl: five more days :) |
| 12:57.33 | zecke | lol |
| 12:57.50 | koen|lab | Grand Sarcastic old Coder? |
| 12:58.13 | hrw | Google Share Of Cash |
| 12:58.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973]] |
| 12:59.25 | zecke | hrw: mallum forces you to not use google? |
| 13:00.24 | hrw | zecke: no. it was my decision to not mentor during this year |
| 13:02.39 | koen|lab | root@fic-gta01:~$ uptime |
| 13:02.39 | koen|lab | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.43 | koen|lab | still hasn't crashed :) |
| 13:03.40 | hrw | hmm.. mysql database dump of hrw.one.pl is 99M.. |
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| 13:13.32 | oelewapperke | are there any updates on the wifi ? |
| 13:13.33 | aloril | When version 1 was designed there was no sufficiently low-power WiFi chip available which has an open driver. You can attach (battery) powered USB hub to Neo1973 and then use supported WiFi USB stick. Also some model later this year probably will include WiFi. For more information see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F |
| 13:15.58 | djsuszi | hrw you live in poland or nl ? |
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| 13:20.21 | hrw | djsuszi: Poland |
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| 13:35.04 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rob * r1646 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-dialog.c libmokoui/moko-dialog.h): (log message trimmed) |
| 13:35.04 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 2007-04-03 Rob Bradford <rob@openedhand.com> |
| 13:35.04 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-dialog.c: (moko_dialog_add_button), |
| 13:35.04 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_dialog_add_button_secondary), |
| 13:35.05 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_dialog_set_button_secondary), |
| 13:35.06 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_dialog_get_button_secondary): |
| 13:35.10 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Provide framework for easily dealing with secondary buttons. |
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| 14:11.17 | dho | counter |
| 14:11.17 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 21:49:35 (11.909 +-10.0 days) (740,144) |
| 14:11.17 | PBeck | hi |
| 14:16.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03andrew * r1647 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 14:16.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Allow multiple devices on each UART, add modem ioctls. |
| 14:16.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Invert GSM power-on signal. |
| 14:16.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Explicitely use bash and GNU make in scripts. (GNU echo is still needed so we're not 100% BSD-friendly yet) |
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| 14:20.51 | Placid | Hi |
| 14:21.04 | SpeedEvil | Hji. |
| 14:21.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1648 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-pim/ (3 files in 2 dirs): oe: openmokofy dates |
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| 14:41.14 | dho | Erasing Nand...Writing to Nand... done |
| 14:41.14 | dho | GTA01Bv4 # ^C |
| 14:41.14 | dho | 167:[10:40am]:dho@dho:~/svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973# uname -a |
| 14:41.14 | dho | FreeBSD dho.coyotepoint.com 6.2-STABLE FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #3: Fri Feb 23 16:45:30 EST 2007 dho@dho.coyotepoint.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 |
| 14:41.15 | dho | :) |
| 14:41.49 | Rakshasa | Hmm. Is mokomakefile supposed to set the permissions for the files it creates to something evil? All files were created with 0400 and all directories with the sticky bit set... |
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| 14:42.53 | roh | Rakshasa it just calles bitbake and mtn for you.. which files exactly do you mean? |
| 14:44.47 | Rakshasa | roh: I'm pretty sure it was all the files, but I run into problems when trying to edit an include file in build/. |
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| 14:47.27 | Any_Key | hi |
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| 14:47.56 | bedboi | hi there guys |
| 14:48.23 | Any_Key | bedboi, hullo |
| 14:48.51 | bedboi | so i decied to get The Phone |
| 14:49.17 | Any_Key | is here somebody interested in translation issues? |
| 14:49.45 | Any_Key | bedboi, you find right place to come ) |
| 14:50.35 | ozamosi | Any_Key: I prefer solutions |
| 14:51.12 | bedboi | Any_Key: yep i know. |
| 14:51.13 | bedboi | :) |
| 14:51.24 | bedboi | koen|lab: there? |
| 14:51.59 | Any_Key | ozamosi, for what for translation? I just want somebody to speak to about translation HOWTO in wiki |
| 14:52.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 14:52.50 | ozamosi | Just a bad joke... |
| 14:52.54 | dho | wow |
| 14:53.00 | bedboi | would have more time for hacking :( |
| 14:53.01 | dho | openmoko is booting in qemu on FreeBSD :) |
| 14:53.10 | bedboi | my PhD is taking too much time |
| 14:53.27 | Any_Key | bedboi, two of him here |
| 14:54.25 | Any_Key | ozamosi, I'm little tired so my sense of humor definitely NOT in the good shape :-) |
| 14:55.00 | bedboi | Any_Key: do you know how to get neo? |
| 14:55.06 | dho | HAHAHA |
| 14:55.07 | dho | this rocks |
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| 14:56.05 | Any_Key | bedboi, wait until initial release for early adopters & buy it |
| 14:56.09 | Any_Key | counter |
| 14:56.10 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 21:03:50 (11.878 +-10.0 days) (741,145) |
| 14:56.24 | bedboi | that's too much |
| 14:56.25 | dho | http://www.databits.net/~dho/openmoko/ <-- openmoko in qemu in FreeBSD |
| 14:56.25 | bedboi | :) |
| 14:56.29 | bedboi | kidding |
| 14:56.33 | dho | rather |
| 14:56.36 | dho | in qemu-neo1973 |
| 14:59.14 | Placid | Wow, the bandwidth for that server's gonna be b0rken with all the downloads of those pics |
| 14:59.35 | Rakshasa | Seems kinda slow ^^ |
| 14:59.45 | dho | pete's dsl :D |
| 14:59.59 | Placid | ^^ |
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| 15:07.23 | Placid | dho: thanks for the pics, i'm even more intrigued about openmoko and indeed the Neo now >.< |
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| 15:36.31 | tuxmaniac | wow. laf0rge and sean are coming to Bangalore |
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| 15:38.09 | don-o | xkr47: for realz, man. the wait is killing me. |
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| 15:51.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation_HOWTO]] [[Wish_List]] [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[User:Surenk]] |
| 15:51.53 | dho | hey Vitaly :) |
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| 16:14.54 | Any_Key | if somebody interested in translation, please take look at [[Translation_HOWTO]] on wiki, it needs massive improving |
| 16:15.50 | TRIsoft | gtg cu |
| 16:16.21 | SrRaven | Id be interested in translation,but I guess enough germans that will do it with more clue about the whole thingy |
| 16:16.48 | thomasg_ | I'd help with german translation if needed |
| 16:17.01 | SrRaven | see,we germans are everywhere! |
| 16:17.21 | thomasg_ | woulndt be my first translation of an os-project (but the 2nd one ^^) |
| 16:17.41 | SrRaven | I only translated parts of a game |
| 16:26.28 | Any_Key | I'v translated FAQ once. It does not matter what you have done before, matters what you will do |
| 16:27.04 | friedel | How would people feel about setting up a Pootle server for the translations? |
| 16:27.19 | LarstiQ | translations of what from what to what? |
| 16:27.52 | friedel | All openmoko apps into all languages for which theer are volunteers. |
| 16:29.11 | guaqua | friedel: i'm all for it |
| 16:29.20 | guaqua | friedel: if it's actually of use, that is |
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| 16:30.42 | friedel | It can help with assigning work, keeping stats and ensuring quality. |
| 16:30.50 | friedel | I'm working on it, so I might be biased :-) |
| 16:30.54 | guaqua | ;) |
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| 16:33.16 | Any_Key | friedel, I dont know much about pootle, if it worth it I'm pro |
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| 16:34.30 | Any_Key | hey I have pootle client in my distro (Debian) |
| 16:34.35 | Any_Key | good |
| 16:34.40 | friedel | :-) |
| 16:36.31 | friedel | Any_Key: That will be the server. |
| 16:36.36 | friedel | Any web browser is a client. |
| 16:37.02 | friedel | But if you prefer, you can still translate using a normal offline translation program and just upload the translated file. |
| 16:37.03 | loufoque | not necessarily. |
| 16:37.09 | loufoque | you can browse off-line |
| 16:37.18 | Any_Key | I've scanned aplication dirs, just some of app have PO's or POT's |
| 16:37.34 | Any_Key | all files already in svn tree |
| 16:38.43 | guaqua | friedel: you could maybe send something about pootle to the lists |
| 16:39.49 | friedel | Perhaps I should, but I don't want to be pushing my own tool too stronly :-) |
| 16:39.49 | Any_Key | all we have to do, just ask package devs provide POT's |
| 16:39.53 | friedel | Also, we will need it someone to host and admin the server. |
| 16:40.41 | friedel | But I think pootle.openmoko.org will be a great asset. |
| 16:40.58 | Any_Key | OK guys I'v to run see you next time |
| 16:40.59 | friedel | It makes it much easier for translators to get involved. |
| 16:41.03 | friedel | Bye! |
| 16:41.40 | guaqua | i don't see a reason not to do it |
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| 16:48.51 | friedel | guaqua: I see now I have already written to the mailing list. |
| 16:48.55 | friedel | 31 January |
| 16:49.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation_HOWTO]] |
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| 17:16.59 | tuxmaniac | any pointers on this error? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13702/ |
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| 17:22.31 | DukeOfURL | counter |
| 17:22.31 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 18:37:28 (11.776 +-10.0 days) (742,145) |
| 17:23.16 | DukeOfURL | trying the build with moko make file |
| 17:23.33 | DukeOfURL | says glibc v. 2.4 not available |
| 17:24.04 | DukeOfURL | glibc-2.4-11 is installed on the machine |
| 17:24.29 | DukeOfURL | is it referring to an ARM glibc library? |
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| 17:47.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[UI_Improvements]] |
| 17:57.42 | elektrolott | anybody played with dasher (http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/) on the neo? |
| 17:57.42 | aloril | elektrolott: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:58.30 | cjb | elektrolott: I used to work on Dasher. Should be a good fit for the Neo, haven't tried it. |
| 17:58.50 | dho | seems like dasher would be slightly cramped |
| 17:59.23 | elektrolott | it seems IMHO to be a good text input method for the neo. |
| 17:59.36 | cjb | it usually requires 150px vertical, and doesn't care too much about horizontal. |
| 17:59.47 | cjb | (150 again would probably be fine) |
| 18:00.19 | dho | that's tiny. |
| 18:00.25 | dho | isn't the screen 480x640? |
| 18:00.40 | cjb | yeah. people have been using dasher on iPaqs for 7 years or something. |
| 18:00.40 | roh | DukeOfURL when using the mokomakefile edit it and comment in the line which sets OPENMOKO_MTN_REV somewhere at the start |
| 18:00.43 | cjb | and on the Zaurus |
| 18:00.43 | dho | I don't even think I could see all the letters in dasher at that size |
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| 18:01.05 | cjb | dho: you don't need to; you need to see the four or five strongly-predicted ones for where you are right now |
| 18:01.19 | dho | I know, I've used dasher |
| 18:01.22 | cjb | and you need to understand how to get to the weakly-predicted ones (by using alphabetical order) for when you can't |
| 18:01.52 | cjb | right; I'm just saying, I thought it would need lots of vertical resolution too, but it turns out it doesn't because you only need to see three or boxes at once, as waypoints. |
| 18:02.02 | cjb | *or four |
| 18:02.06 | dho | makes sense. |
| 18:02.06 | elektrolott | cjb: do you have acdess to a neo? if yes, could you make a video of dasher on the neo? |
| 18:02.30 | cjb | elektrolott: guess so. I'd have to cross-compile Dasher, a little busy lately. |
| 18:02.39 | dho | My big problem is that I code way more than I type all day (irrelevent to neo, I know), so I'm unable to really use it :( |
| 18:02.53 | DukeOfURL | roh: it is already commented out: # OPENMOKO_MTN_REV = e2dbb52fe39df7ef786b6068f6178f29508dfded |
| 18:02.53 | dho | It doesn't work well for coding ime |
| 18:02.59 | SpeedEvil | You can make special alphabets. |
| 18:03.03 | SpeedEvil | including coding ones. |
| 18:03.07 | tuxmaniac | counter |
| 18:03.07 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 17:56:53 (11.748 +-10.0 days) (743,145) |
| 18:03.10 | roh | DukeOfURL eh comment in |
| 18:03.35 | roh | DukeOfURL else it will update oe continously which breaks things more often than needed. |
| 18:03.42 | tuxmaniac | any pointers on this error? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13702/ |
| 18:03.52 | elektrolott | I played with dasher about a year ago on my PC and I can envision it would be great for SMS |
| 18:04.57 | roh | tuxmaniac try what i told Duke. remove the # in front of OPENMOKO_MTN_REV and make update |
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| 18:05.12 | roh | then make setup and it should build again |
| 18:05.26 | tuxmaniac | roh, let me try |
| 18:05.36 | cjb | elektrolott: perhaps -- it requires a somewhat steady hand and a lot of visual attention, and SMS doesn't (especially if you learn what you need to disambiguate and what you don't, with T9)l |
| 18:06.14 | cjb | dho: yes, it's purely an n-gram language model, there's no grammar, it doesn't pick up any programming constructs. |
| 18:06.39 | dho | cjb: Which is too bad because I'd really like to find something that would make coding less of a problem for my hands |
| 18:06.56 | elektrolott | cjb: that may be true with tactile (hardware) buttons. I guess it will be much harder on the neo. |
| 18:07.10 | dho | cjb: hitting shift all the (C obviously requires it a lot) really strains them out :( |
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| 18:11.56 | cjb | elektrolott: oh, yes, the Neo would certainly require an impossibly steady hand. Dasher corrects for noisy input much, much better than an on-screen keyboard. |
| 18:11.57 | cjb | (since Dasher's like driving a car -- if you oversteer in one direction, you just compensate in the other direction later.) |
| 18:11.59 | dho | unless you crash! |
| 18:12.00 | SpeedEvil | Stroke or 'handwriting' recognition may be easier in some cases. |
| 18:12.01 | dho | (though I guess that can happen with dasher too!) ;D |
| 18:12.04 | SpeedEvil | dasher requires constant staring. |
| 18:12.04 | elektrolott | if a later version of the neo gets accelerometers (like WII) we could even drive dasher by tilting the neo ;-) |
| 18:12.04 | dho | SpeedEvil: morse tapping! |
| 18:12.09 | elektrolott | btw. as the WII is BT it may be a great input device for neo games ;-) |
| 18:13.18 | roh | tuxmaniac do you have git installed? |
| 18:13.48 | tuxmaniac | roh, yes |
| 18:14.12 | DukeOfURL | roh: still says glibc-2.4 not available. |
| 18:14.36 | roh | DukeOfURL that it does for me too, but then selects another |
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| 18:21.15 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 17:38:44 (11.735 +-10.0 days) (744,145) |
| 18:22.02 | woglinde | hm :( over week again |
| 18:24.19 | dho | SpeedEvil: How does one generate a root filesystem image? |
| 18:26.07 | dho | (Do I need to peek at the makefiles to figure that out?) |
| 18:28.35 | dho | (I don't see anything obvious after grepping in any case) |
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| 18:35.32 | sid | Are there any free(as in freedom) cellular phones you can currently buy and use to make calls with? |
| 18:36.39 | koen | cjb: did dasher get 100x faster in the past two years? |
| 18:37.01 | dho | sid: huh? |
| 18:40.03 | koen | cjb: dasher was *extremely* slow on arm last time I tried it (qvga, 400MHz cpu) |
| 18:40.33 | woglinde | isd you mean freesoftware? |
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| 18:41.27 | elektrolott | what I really like about dasher is that I can switch languages (even during entering text). That's really nice for a German like me living in the USA :-) |
| 18:41.36 | sid | wookieface: yes, free software |
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| 18:42.15 | wookieface | what? |
| 18:42.25 | woglinde | sid meant me |
| 18:42.28 | loufoque | what's dasher? |
| 18:42.31 | wookieface | oh, ok :p |
| 18:42.32 | woglinde | the evil tbacompletion |
| 18:42.35 | loufoque | a cleaning powder? |
| 18:42.39 | woglinde | sid there isnt one yet |
| 18:42.50 | sid | woglinde: Will OpenMoko be the first? |
| 18:42.51 | elektrolott | loufoque: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ |
| 18:42.55 | woglinde | sid the neo will ne first |
| 18:42.59 | woglinde | be |
| 18:43.19 | woglinde | green phone has issues and the motos too |
| 18:43.47 | sid | woglinde: neo 1973? |
| 18:44.05 | loufoque | " Dasher can be used to write efficiently in any language." even chinese? |
| 18:44.22 | woglinde | sid yes neo is the hardware |
| 18:44.29 | woglinde | openmoko the software |
| 18:44.30 | elektrolott | loufoque: it supports many eastern languages |
| 18:44.49 | univac | :) |
| 18:45.53 | loufoque | japanese and chinese aren't supported |
| 18:47.51 | elektrolott | loufoque: the version available on ubuntu (aptitude install dasher dasher-data) supports 7 chinese alpabets |
| 18:48.14 | elektrolott | also hiragana and Japanese |
| 18:48.24 | loufoque | there is only partial support for chinese and japanese according to the official dasher project page |
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| 18:48.57 | elektrolott | as I am unfamiliar with these languages I cant tell how complete thet are but you may test yourself ;-) |
| 18:49.07 | thomasg_ | I tried dasher some months ago and it wasn't really usable imho (means on screen keyboard and other things like this are faster) |
| 18:49.54 | koen | looking at the track record of asian hackers, they probably forked dasher to add CJKV and never pushed the patches upstream |
| 18:50.01 | elektrolott | I haven't used it on a mobile device, but on the PC with the mouse it works reasonable well for me :-) |
| 18:51.17 | elektrolott | The dasher I just installed (sudo aptitude install dasher dasher-data) is 4.0.2 |
| 18:51.24 | thomasg_ | imho microsofts transscriber is really good, but it should be hard to write a free handwriting recognition system which is so good. |
| 18:51.30 | guaqua | i didn't like dasher that much...hexinput is more useful for latin letters |
| 18:51.36 | guaqua | probably faster too |
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| 18:53.45 | thomasg_ | guaqua, I have seen some screenshots of hexinput and dont really understand what makes it better than a normal qwerty keyboard |
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| 18:54.11 | guaqua | thomasg_: haven't tried it in practice myself, either |
| 18:55.08 | guaqua | thomasg_: but when you begin to learn the positions of the letters, you can do syllables (or even short words) in the same time you do single letter in normal screen keyboard |
| 18:55.10 | thomasg_ | I mean, hexinput is only a normal "keyboard" with a layout different to qwerty and hex-shaped keys |
| 18:55.16 | guaqua | no it's not |
| 18:55.50 | guaqua | it's not about tapping, it's about sliding the stylus |
| 18:56.29 | thomasg_ | so hexinput changes the layout while "typing"? |
| 18:56.48 | thomasg_ | or how else would it possible to slide without tab? |
| 18:56.49 | guaqua | no |
| 18:57.19 | guaqua | but rather the keys are put into an order they are most effectively used |
| 18:57.47 | guaqua | for example the space key is in the middle and the 6 most often used letters might be next to it |
| 18:57.59 | thomasg_ | ok, that might be, but I cannot believe, that it works so good. especially if you are using non-english words and shortcuts |
| 18:58.14 | guaqua | non-english needs non-english layout |
| 18:58.14 | elektrolott | i think dasher would beat it in that sense as it is context sensitive (just like T9) |
| 18:58.21 | loufoque | Dasher is funny but not especially fast |
| 18:58.26 | guaqua | which might be completely different from the english layout |
| 18:58.50 | thomasg_ | for symbian phones there is another interesting app, but it is not easy, too. its called ringwrite(r) or so |
| 18:58.52 | guaqua | t9 sucks, if you ask me. it'd need more heuristic analyzing |
| 18:59.00 | elektrolott | you can adjust the speed of dasher and I believe if you get used to it you can make it go very fast |
| 18:59.22 | guaqua | thomasg_: do you have an url for that? |
| 18:59.40 | thomasg_ | guaqua, of course, just a moment |
| 19:00.12 | thomasg_ | http://www.ring-writer.com/web/en/home.html |
| 19:00.13 | loufoque | I find t9 quite satisfying |
| 19:00.26 | thomasg_ | theres also a flash demo |
| 19:01.12 | elektrolott | T9 is not good if you need to mix languages (like German/English) |
| 19:01.35 | dho | i've never needed to mix them in the same message |
| 19:01.39 | thomasg_ | at moment its a j2me app iirc. the bad is, that you have to use ringwriters textinterface, you can't just choose it as input method |
| 19:01.43 | loufoque | ring writer is just T9 with a ring |
| 19:01.50 | guaqua | thomasg_: that's like a copy of shapewriter |
| 19:01.58 | loufoque | it's quite a good idea though, since it allows better usage of the stylus |
| 19:02.00 | thomasg_ | don't know |
| 19:02.26 | thomasg_ | I used it once on my nokia 7710 (also only-touchscreen device) and it doesnt work how I wanted. |
| 19:02.29 | elektrolott | my current phone Razr does not even have a german T9 dictionary as it is a US model :-( |
| 19:02.44 | guaqua | i hate my nokia and it's t9 |
| 19:02.47 | elektrolott | thats why I need a neo :-) |
| 19:02.48 | loufoque | the gesture stuff is also interesting |
| 19:02.54 | thomasg_ | guaqua, you can turn it off :) |
| 19:02.54 | guaqua | it lacks the regular curse words altogether |
| 19:03.08 | guaqua | it's still faster than without it |
| 19:03.15 | guaqua | but annoys the hell out of me |
| 19:03.18 | elektrolott | that's the power of open source add your own curse works ;-) |
| 19:03.25 | guaqua | yeah |
| 19:03.32 | guaqua | i mean, those should be in by default |
| 19:03.39 | thomasg_ | well, I'd really like to have a real handwriting recognition on my neo. but even nokia didn't make it to write a really good one |
| 19:03.40 | guaqua | as they are part of communication |
| 19:03.56 | guaqua | palm's graffiti is okay, but it's pretty slow too |
| 19:03.57 | thomasg_ | the one microsoft bought (transcriber) is the best handwriting recognition I have seen |
| 19:04.21 | elektrolott | I vote for voice recognition :-) |
| 19:04.37 | TobiX | thomasg_: The Apple Newton had a very good handwriting recognition... |
| 19:04.38 | elektrolott | neo - dial xyz |
| 19:04.45 | TobiX | Now that stuff is in OS X... |
| 19:04.46 | elektrolott | just like star trek :-) |
| 19:04.50 | thomasg_ | TobiX, I'm too young for knowing it :) |
| 19:05.12 | loufoque | handwriting recognition could be good |
| 19:05.23 | TobiX | thomasg_: Me too, but I always hear other people praising the Newton... |
| 19:06.19 | MacNorth | one thing that's slow about the online dasher is backspace |
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| 19:07.37 | guaqua | thomasg_: also, hexinput could have the same letters more than once on the keyboard |
| 19:08.02 | guaqua | and depending on the use, one could use another area of the keyboard...for example for english you could use a different area |
| 19:08.18 | thomasg_ | guaqua, sounds interesting enough for giving it a try |
| 19:08.30 | guaqua | it hasn't been implemented, that's the problem |
| 19:08.41 | guaqua | however, i've been thinking about it alot :) |
| 19:09.41 | thomasg_ | hm, I'm learning C at moment (at least I try to ^^), maybe I'll be able to develop own applications in near future ^^ |
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| 19:20.29 | thomasg_ | so, I tried dasher here again. is it possible to write words which are not in the dictionary? |
| 19:21.21 | loufoque | Sure, you can write any word. |
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| 19:21.25 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Getting our batteries to charge |
| 19:21.43 | thomasg_ | well, but its hard to find the next letter if the dictionary seems not to know a word |
| 19:21.54 | asdfadf | count |
| 19:22.20 | asdfadf | what was that bot's command? |
| 19:22.21 | aloril | asdfadf: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:22.30 | thomasg_ | counter |
| 19:22.30 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 16:37:29 (11.693 +-10.0 days) (745,146) |
| 19:22.37 | asdfadf | thx ;) |
| 19:22.53 | loufoque | thomasg_: indeed, it may be hard. |
| 19:23.13 | loufoque | thomasg_: you can spend a whole minute just finding a damn letter |
| 19:23.24 | thomasg_ | yeah :) |
| 19:23.30 | thomasg_ | at moment I try to write my surname |
| 19:23.40 | thomasg_ | I cannot find the S behind the G |
| 19:24.41 | thomasg_ | will, but dasher is still a really cool idea, maybe it will be a good choise after some improvements |
| 19:24.45 | thomasg_ | *well |
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| 19:25.34 | cjb | thomasg_: You can find the S by knowing the alphabetical order |
| 19:25.48 | cjb | find a big letter that is near to S in the alphabet, and look above or below it depending on whether it's before/after S |
| 19:25.59 | cjb | and go down that crack, and you'll always find the letter you're looking for |
| 19:27.32 | thomasg_ | cjb, I know, but the S is extremely small and behind some other letters |
| 19:27.44 | cjb | thomasg_: that's the whole point :) |
| 19:27.48 | thomasg_ | I have the window at 800x600 and its still hard to hit |
| 19:28.03 | cjb | I think you just need practise. |
| 19:28.06 | thomasg_ | and even if the neo would use it fullscreen it would be too small to be really usable |
| 19:28.19 | cjb | you should see me using it on a small screen, then :) |
| 19:29.01 | thomasg_ | wheres the blank in the alphabetical order? |
| 19:29.18 | cjb | bottom |
| 19:29.27 | cjb | space is the only white box, and always at the bottom of every box |
| 19:31.22 | thomasg_ | well, with some training it is usable on a pc. will see how it works on the neo if it will be available there |
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| 19:35.39 | peeps | good morning folks |
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| 19:41.14 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 16:18:47 (11.680 +-10.0 days) (746,146) |
| 19:41.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] |
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| 19:47.25 | thomasg_ | cjb, I practiced for a few minutes now and it works really good (especially with english words). I'd not replace my keyboard with it, but maybe on a touchscreen it is not as bad as I thought. |
| 19:48.54 | orospakr | thomasg_: what is it? |
| 19:49.03 | orospakr | one of those special flat keyboards? |
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| 19:50.54 | thomasg_ | happy hacking keyboard |
| 19:51.07 | thomasg_ | I really hate flat keyboards |
| 19:51.19 | thomasg_ | but I like it small :) |
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| 19:53.29 | thomasg_ | I increased the speed from 1.8 to 4.0 and it works really good. I bet on a small touchscreendevice with 5.0 it will be faster than a on screen keyboard |
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| 20:32.11 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 15:27:49 (11.644 +-10.0 days) (747,147) |
| 20:32.33 | elektrolott | if someone would put the neo specific qemu into a vmware with a small linux distro (DSL?) it would enable almost everyone to play with a fake neo withouit having to know how to build everything. |
| 20:32.54 | Psi_ | i like that option |
| 20:34.00 | woglinde | hm |
| 20:34.04 | woglinde | yes nice idea |
| 20:34.18 | elektrolott | anyone here who buildt that neo-qemu? |
| 20:34.57 | elektrolott | If I had the binary I could try to hack it into a vmware image |
| 20:40.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Finger_Scrolling]] [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] |
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| 21:26.38 | hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/04/03/blog-moved/ |
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| 21:28.42 | SrRaven | cool,I rescently read a few posts on ya blog :O |
| 21:29.05 | hrw | ;D |
| 21:29.29 | hrw | what do you think about new design? |
| 21:29.58 | SrRaven | Simple,easy to navigate |
| 21:30.00 | SrRaven | nice |
| 21:30.44 | SpeedEvil | What blog? |
| 21:30.58 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 21:31.27 | SrRaven | was searching for some openmoko stuff as im thinking about getting one |
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| 21:33.37 | SpeedEvil | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/6521149.stm |
| 21:33.40 | SpeedEvil | oops. |
| 21:34.40 | Magon | mickey|bbl: hi, do you want to use raw dbus api or glib dbus api? |
| 21:34.56 | SrRaven | I know this isnt really a openmoko chat channel,but rather for dev stuff.But how many projects are there right now for the openmoko plattform ? I looked on the project page once and saw not one single one |
| 21:35.52 | Magon | there is one big project, openmoko |
| 21:36.24 | SrRaven | yeah but I rather mean programm wise,I'm a basic end user that doesnt care about the ability to programm myself as I dont have the time or skills to do so |
| 21:36.57 | Magon | api is not yet done..so project are hard do start |
| 21:37.19 | SrRaven | well at least that helps me,thanks |
| 21:37.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[UI_Improvements]] |
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| 21:37.40 | SpeedEvil | Look at the FAQ |
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| 21:37.53 | SpeedEvil | It's got 'roadmap' of what applications are intended to work when. |
| 21:38.06 | SpeedEvil | Ideally. |
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| 21:39.13 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications |
| 21:39.16 | SrRaven | I read that thing once,half of the stuff could have just been chinese would have understood the same |
| 21:39.59 | SrRaven | the faq that is,the app wiki looks understandable |
| 21:40.25 | SpeedEvil | I sorted the FAQ |
| 21:40.25 | SpeedEvil | it's now a bit better. |
| 21:40.53 | SrRaven | well I guess im not the target audience right now for that thing |
| 21:41.34 | SpeedEvil | At the moment - it sounds not. |
| 21:41.44 | SpeedEvil | Though commenting on application pages may be of point. |
| 21:41.57 | SpeedEvil | to add use-cases or requests on features. |
| 21:43.12 | SrRaven | im currently struggling on what to get,either a windows mobile phone or save for the openmoko,I'd rather help the openmoko plattform than give m$ some money.The thing just is that I also need such programms as tomtom and I cant seem to find a FOSS alternative |
| 21:43.57 | SpeedEvil | There are attempts to get tomtom on the device. |
| 21:44.05 | SpeedEvil | There are no FOSS alternatives. |
| 21:44.10 | SrRaven | I read that tomtomgo is linux based |
| 21:44.26 | SpeedEvil | OSM - http://www.openstreetmap.org/ is a prototype map - but not end-user. |
| 21:44.44 | SpeedEvil | it's linux based, but there is no linux program available to install neatly. |
| 21:45.11 | SpeedEvil | IMO - the best you'd get as an end user who is not interested in development with the neo1973 at teh moment: |
| 21:45.29 | SpeedEvil | A sort-of-working phone immediately. |
| 21:45.55 | SpeedEvil | dialer/contacts/date-planner applications becoming more functional over then next couple of months. |
| 21:46.16 | SrRaven | I'm just thinking about buying a smartphone,I got a basic phone that works right now but a smartphone will be more usefull in school,like putting wikipedia as a ebook on there |
| 21:46.20 | SpeedEvil | GPS/random other applications popping up over time, as September approaches. |
| 21:46.48 | SpeedEvil | Well - at the moment, the largest card you can put in it is 2G - which is limiting. |
| 21:47.10 | SrRaven | german wikipedia is around 860mb I think |
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| 21:47.45 | ebel | English wikipedia is 2.2GB compressed (no images) |
| 21:47.51 | SrRaven | depends on how old it is really |
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| 21:48.14 | SrRaven | found one from 14th april 04 540mb |
| 21:48.28 | ebel | I was thinking it'd be cool to have all of wikipedia in your pocket. |
| 21:48.50 | ebel | But it doesn't look possible, you'd have to trim it down... :( |
| 21:49.07 | SrRaven | not if the guys decide to put in a normal sd slot in there and not mini sd |
| 21:49.18 | SpeedEvil | That seems unlikely. |
| 21:49.29 | SrRaven | yeah |
| 21:49.31 | SpeedEvil | Though 4Gb micro-sd should arrive before sep. |
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| 21:50.45 | SrRaven | I could just use the german one,but the english one should theoreticly have more articles which would be more usefull |
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| 21:51.53 | SpeedEvil | There are potential expansion options - but again, no 'end user' ones - other than plugging in a USB drive. |
| 21:52.23 | SrRaven | thats why ill wait till around xmas |
| 21:52.26 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 21:52.44 | SrRaven | I dont want it to end like a highly geeky thing |
| 21:52.50 | SpeedEvil | It's also probably by then that at least some other phones will have been hacked to be able to run it. |
| 21:53.09 | SpeedEvil | IMO: I don't want this to end up being geeky. |
| 21:53.30 | SpeedEvil | I want it to come with a mobile-myspace app, and horrible wallpaper, for that market segment. |
| 21:53.38 | hrw | cu |
| 21:53.59 | SpeedEvil | I want it to come with financial times headlines feeds auto-configured for that market segment, |
| 21:54.14 | SrRaven | i need to get myself some friends once I get it |
| 21:54.18 | SpeedEvil | And even automatic setups for small kids, and grannies. |
| 21:54.32 | SpeedEvil | The 'geek' mode is selectable, and not default. |
| 21:54.38 | SrRaven | So I got a email programm but no friends that send me email,buh :X |
| 21:54.48 | SrRaven | Oh i read about the modes,sounded fun |
| 21:55.54 | SpeedEvil | If it's geeky, we've lost. |
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| 21:56.55 | SrRaven | so what do you guys think about doing it to avoid it? |
| 21:57.28 | SpeedEvil | Basically trying to make it as flexible and easy to use as possible. |
| 21:58.53 | SrRaven | I know im gonna buy it once it has the programms I need and I can be sure taht something wont break if I press the wrong button |
| 22:00.58 | SpeedEvil | Absolute worst-case, you can always get back to a known state by plugging it in and reflashing it. |
| 22:01.09 | SpeedEvil | It should never get in this state though normally. |
| 22:01.25 | SpeedEvil | It's just a case of plug into a PC and run the utility. |
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| 22:01.53 | SrRaven | ok |
| 22:03.58 | SrRaven | Well I guess only time can tell how usefull it will be |
| 22:07.34 | SpeedEvil | €/window goto 3 |
| 22:07.40 | SpeedEvil | €/window goto 3 |
| 22:07.42 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 22:07.47 | woglinde | *g* |
| 22:14.33 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 22:15.31 | pavelm | Heya, everyone |
| 22:15.53 | pavelm | ...just a question. Is there a plan at merging openmoko kernel patches to mainline? |
| 22:16.30 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: Of course. Ben Dooks already started with some of the S3C2410 stuff. More will follow |
| 22:16.51 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: Just let us get the device out. That has the highest prio atm. |
| 22:17.15 | pavelm | stefan: I was thinking.. if I started cleaning patches and sending them upstream... would that be seen as hostile action? |
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| 22:18.03 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: I would suggest to talk with harald about it. Just mail him and cc openmoko-kernel ml |
| 22:18.31 | pavelm | Ok, will do that. |
| 22:18.44 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: thanks |
| 22:23.26 | Elrond | counter |
| 22:23.26 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 13:37:01 (11.567 +-10.0 days) (748,147) |
| 22:23.26 | Elrond | Ahh, there was a delay-notification... *searching* ;) |
| 22:23.26 | Elrond | Hi people BTW. |
| 22:24.37 | pavelm | Hi, Elrond. |
| 22:31.39 | Elrond | Hi pavelm :-) |
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| 22:35.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[UI_Improvements]] [[Talk:Hardware:AGPS]] |
| 22:36.13 | thomasg_ | hm, the release is delayed by some days, isnt it? |
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| 22:38.10 | pavelm | Hmm, anything new in AGPS area, aloril? |
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| 23:02.14 | Elrond | Anyone knows, wether we're allowed to port http://people.openmoko.org/sean/pictures/gta01b_v4_front.png this into the wiki? |
| 23:02.25 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> qemu-neo1973 |
| 23:02.25 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: eeprom programming |
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| 23:06.34 | pavelm | bye for now... |
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| 23:16.25 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> Re: eeprom programming |
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