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| 00:54.20 | peepsalot | What if P1 is already just a large elaborate April fools joke? |
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| 00:57.37 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 6 days 05:31:11 (6.230 +-6.2 days) (702,134) |
| 00:58.41 | SpeedEvil | pciutils is small and possibly needed in emergancies |
| 00:58.44 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 02:32.36 | joss193 | hi |
| 02:33.12 | joss193 | what is the sync procedure , someone knows? |
| 02:33.34 | joss193 | openmoko and pc, mails and such, i mean a connection overall |
| 02:44.41 | balrog-kun | i don't think there is any default chosen yet |
| 02:46.42 | joss193 | balrog-kun: ok, but possible to get the sd-card contents over bluetooth? |
| 02:46.52 | balrog-kun | joss193: yes |
| 02:46.57 | balrog-kun | basically there's normal network connection, so any protocl will work |
| 02:47.08 | joss193 | balrog-kun: ok, how? |
| 02:47.10 | balrog-kun | nfs, scp, rsync, samba |
| 02:47.16 | balrog-kun | database replication |
| 02:47.33 | balrog-kun | as i think mails and such are going to be stored in an sql database on the phone |
| 02:47.36 | joss193 | balrog-kun: ahah..ok so wlan connection or bluetooth needed then |
| 02:47.51 | balrog-kun | normally you would use usb |
| 02:48.04 | balrog-kun | or bluetooth if you're more comfortable with it |
| 02:48.39 | joss193 | balrog-kun: ok...thought perhaps there is something similar as synce |
| 02:49.07 | balrog-kun | there perhaps will be programs with "single click" syncing later |
| 02:49.16 | balrog-kun | but that's just a matter of interface |
| 02:49.21 | joss193 | it had some module and got the connection itself via it, and had some binaries to ls in phone |
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| 03:54.46 | rwhitby | I will probably use offline IMAP for mail syncing. |
| 03:55.42 | rwhitby | (then you can do it via usbnet or bluetooth at home or work for free, or over GPRS if it's an emergency or you're on the road. |
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| 05:52.08 | dilinger | *blink* |
| 05:52.13 | dilinger | we're using dynticks? |
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| 06:04.36 | dilinger | for a freedom hater, you spend a lot of time endorsing freedom |
| 06:05.58 | _sj| | I embrace freedom; I just want to extend it to include the freedom to be closed. |
| 06:06.51 | dilinger | maybe you should've gone to the microsoft meetings, rather than mako |
| 06:07.02 | _sj| | oh, isn't this #openmirco? |
| 06:07.03 | aloril | _sj|: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 06:07.31 | _sj| | thanks aloril. I see now the error in my ways. |
| 06:08.33 | smithbone | cjb: ping |
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| 06:16.39 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 6 days 02:51:40 (6.119 +-6.1 days) (703,134) |
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| 06:21.04 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page/ru]] |
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| 07:07.25 | dilinger | is there a root password on the new images? |
| 07:08.52 | dilinger | ssh'ing in over usb0 doesn't seem to accept a password of '' |
| 07:09.24 | dilinger | grr. nm, figured it out |
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| 08:24.10 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 6 days 01:47:55 (6.075 +-6.1 days) (704,135) |
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| 08:28.58 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1589 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: * switch off power supplies that are not needed during SUSPEND |
| 08:29.30 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1590 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-core.patch: * correctly fill in pcf50606 platform data (for voltage limits and SUSPEND configuration) |
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| 08:48.56 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1591 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-core.patch: introduce cfg_pmu_vrail() function, fix compile issue and saves code length |
| 08:54.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1592 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: respect maximum values indicated int pcf50606 platform data |
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| 09:12.04 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: UI long term development perspective: physics engine |
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| 10:27.29 | Elrond | counter |
| 10:27.29 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 6 days 00:46:15 (6.032 +-6.0 days) (705,135) |
| 10:30.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1593 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/data/ (Makefile.am Message.png): openmoko-messages: add desktop icon for Messages |
| 10:33.30 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1594 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/data/openmoko-messages.desktop: openmoko-messages: add .desktop file |
| 10:33.37 | mickey|brunswick | cheers guy |
| 10:33.38 | mickey|brunswick | s |
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| 10:35.49 | koen | mickey|brunswick: You can speed up drawing on openmoko by removing pixmaps from e.g. menus and the background |
| 10:35.58 | koen | mickey|brunswick: but I guess that would be a no-no for p2? |
| 10:36.44 | mickey|brunswick | I'm afraid so, yeah. I'm already doing more compromises wrt theming than the designer allows |
| 10:36.49 | mickey|brunswick | but fear not |
| 10:36.53 | mickey|brunswick | P2 will be fast enough for our theme |
| 10:37.05 | koen | but not p0 and p1 |
| 10:37.27 | koen | mickey|brunswick: on my 600MHz pxa270 with 200MHz bus speed drawing is slow |
| 10:37.41 | koen | (but waaaaaaaay faster as on the neo) |
| 10:40.17 | koen | mickey|brunswick: I think gtk needs a fast-path for size(SRC) == size(DEST) |
| 10:40.18 | Vegar | does the wall outlet charger use the USB protocol in any way, or does it just supply +5V and ground? |
| 10:40.34 | koen | I suspect it will still scale them with fp math if sizes match |
| 10:41.08 | mickey|brunswick | koen: yeah, sounds likely |
| 10:41.34 | mickey|brunswick | we added a couple of theming bugs lately |
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| 10:41.44 | mickey|brunswick | also some wrt to performance |
| 10:41.52 | mickey|brunswick | i.e. all our images are 24-bit IIRC |
| 10:42.27 | koen | heh |
| 10:42.36 | koen | that explains all the banding |
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| 10:50.15 | Elrond | Hi mickey|brunswick! |
| 10:50.46 | Elrond | Reminds me to recheck the gps gpio bug... Will do this afternoon. |
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| 10:52.07 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 6 days 00:33:56 (6.024 +-6.0 days) (706,135) |
| 10:53.25 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1595 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/ (data/Makefile.am src/main.c): openmoko-messages: remove bogus double declaration |
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| 10:57.49 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1596 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/ (16 files): openmoko-messages: remove bogus windows line endings, fix build error. closes #333 |
| 11:05.28 | mmp | Hello, I've just read few mailing list archives - is it possible that P2 will also include camera? Replies in mailing list were positive, but real actions were taken just for wifi... |
| 11:06.01 | koen | mmp: highly unlikely |
| 11:06.04 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Wehttamb]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 11:06.15 | koen | it would require a case redesign |
| 11:07.14 | mmp | ... or let users to drill a hole to an suitable point in the case:) |
| 11:07.14 | mmp | koen: thanks:) |
| 11:07.23 | guaqua | i guess a camera would require just a bit more than a hole in the case :/ |
| 11:07.48 | mmp | yes, I was just joking:) |
| 11:08.00 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1597 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (gta01-core.patch gta01-pcf50606.patch): |
| 11:08.00 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * add a callback to the pcf50606 platform data |
| 11:08.00 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * call that callback whenever accessory detection is hit |
| 11:08.00 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * implement this callback in gta01 to enable/disable fast charge in >= GTA01Bv4 |
| 11:08.00 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * some further code cleanup of pcf50606 |
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| 11:09.35 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1598 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: * fix typo (MN is minute, MT is month), spotted by Matt Hsu |
| 11:09.36 | roh | morning zecke |
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| 11:12.51 | zecke | moin |
| 11:13.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1599 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/data/ (Makefile.am RSS.png openmoko-rssreader.desktop): openmoko-rssreader: add .desktop file and icon |
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| 11:16.27 | roh | hmmm.. waiting for the build or breaking it off and going to the sunday-park-party? |
| 11:16.31 | PBeck | tag |
| 11:17.19 | zecke | mickey|zzZZzz: hehe |
| 11:20.02 | roh | propably a good idea.. i just cannot compile fast enough to keep on with laf0rge and mickey ;) |
| 11:20.33 | roh | s/compile/regenerate this bb-cache .. compiling is reasonably fast *g* |
| 11:21.25 | alphaone | roh: Why does regenerating bb cache take so long? Do you have psyco installed? |
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| 11:21.42 | roh | alphaone it takes longer than a kernelbuild.. |
| 11:21.52 | alphaone | Wow |
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| 11:22.03 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1600 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/data/openmoko-appmanager.desktop: openmoko-appmanager: update .desktop file |
| 11:22.12 | alphaone | Takes a couple seconds for me |
| 11:22.15 | roh | python-psyco is installed |
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| 11:23.00 | roh | alphaone after an update it takes ages counting up the 4k and some bb files |
| 11:24.03 | alphaone | Usually bitbake stores a cache in build/tmp/cache/fic-gta01/bb_cache.dat |
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| 11:24.29 | roh | alphaone it does... but do an make update with mokomakefile and see it does it again |
| 11:25.01 | alphaone | let me check |
| 11:25.30 | zecke | roh: well, it is doing a lot of git remot, svn info on remote repositories :) |
| 11:26.55 | roh | zecke i really mean the bb counting up in [] brackets |
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| 11:28.32 | prom | roh: i didnt look at the code in bitbake yet, but it makes sense to check for the SCM status of the packages while parsing the files because the versions are needed for dependency resolution. |
| 11:29.33 | roh | prom shouldn't that happen on update? |
| 11:30.07 | roh | a normal rebuild should even be possible without fast connectivity at hand |
| 11:30.33 | koen | so don't use make update, but do svn up yourself |
| 11:30.41 | koen | it's even less work to type |
| 11:30.54 | roh | *g* |
| 11:31.01 | guaqua | if you don't take into account the fact that you have to be in the right dir |
| 11:31.03 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1601 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/ (15 files): openmoko-messages: remove windows line endings and some warnings. closes #333 |
| 11:32.18 | greentux__ | end of month changed to "couple of weeks"... mmh thats pity |
| 11:33.28 | prom | roh: id agree. but thats outside of bitbake-land for now. |
| 11:34.13 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:02.28 | Elrond | counter |
| 12:02.28 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 23:58:46 (5.999 +-6.0 days) (707,135) |
| 12:02.39 | Elrond | ;) |
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| 12:13.50 | Moo^^ | what will happen on the day? |
| 12:14.05 | Moo^^ | they ship neos or they open request form? |
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| 12:15.18 | koen | Moo^^: check the announce mailinglist |
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| 13:15.08 | zecke | mickey|brunswick: openmoko-libs_svn.bb needs an update |
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| 13:34.11 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1604 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-20061030-neo1973.patch: |
| 13:34.11 | CIA-16 | openmoko: more refined GTA01Bv4 support |
| 13:34.11 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * Make sure STBY_1V8 has correct voltage (rather than switching it off) |
| 13:34.11 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * Make CORE_1V8 dependent on PWREN2 |
| 13:34.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * Activate ACD (accessory detection) for new charger handling |
| 13:40.59 | Elrond | What's this ACD thingy? |
| 13:41.32 | SpeedEvil | IIRC it's a function of the power managment chip, to detect a charger. |
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| 13:41.57 | Elrond | strange. |
| 13:48.19 | CoreDump|afk | mehhhhh |
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| 13:50.12 | Vegar | does the wall outlet charger use the USB protocol in any way, or does it just supply +5V and ground? |
| 13:50.45 | CoreDump|afk | Vegar: iirc its just a dumb charger |
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| 13:52.32 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 23:03:44 (5.961 +-6.0 days) (708,135) |
| 13:56.04 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[UI_Improvements]] |
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| 14:12.57 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 22:53:31 (5.954 +-6.0 days) (709,135) |
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| 14:31.13 | Elrond | Vegar - Reading the recent stuff on the wiki / commitlogs makes me believe, that it's not a simple dumb charger, but on the other hand, it doesn't seem to implement real usb. It seems to be somewhere between. No idea, what it really is. |
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| 15:40.20 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 22:09:49 (5.923 +-5.9 days) (710,136) |
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| 15:52.04 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 22:03:59 (5.919 +-5.9 days) (711,137) |
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| 16:25.55 | fledermaus | what does the (5.919 +-5.9 days) (711,137) bit mean, exactly? |
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| 16:26.17 | koen | 6 days left +/- 6 days |
| 16:26.26 | koen | so 6 - 12 days |
| 16:28.07 | fledermaus | shouldn't that be 9±3? |
| 16:28.29 | summatusmentis | counter |
| 16:28.37 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 21:45:41 (5.907 +-5.9 days) (712,138) |
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| 16:31.36 | fledermaus | because 6 ±6 is 0-12, aiui. |
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| 16:32.39 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 21:43:40 (5.905 +-5.9 days) (713,138) |
| 16:33.51 | fledermaus | what about the (713,138) part, what does that mean? |
| 16:34.19 | CoreDump|afk | fledermaus: pester aloril2 about it |
| 16:37.42 | fledermaus | I'm just curious :) |
| 16:37.51 | fledermaus | for all I know, 0-12 days is the intent. |
| 16:38.11 | fledermaus | aloril2: what say you? |
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| 16:50.22 | aloril2 | (calls,unique calls) |
| 16:51.28 | fledermaus | so they're bot-stats? |
| 16:52.19 | fledermaus | als, the ± issue - does it mean 0-12 days? |
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| 16:53.00 | aloril2 | 'lower+(lower+upper)/2' +- '(upper-lower)/2' |
| 16:53.25 | aloril2 | lower limit is 'now' ;-) |
| 16:53.32 | fledermaus | right. |
| 16:54.56 | aloril2 | counter call stats and differwent nicks |
| 16:56.20 | fledermaus | thanks. |
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| 16:58.16 | PBeck | re |
| 16:59.14 | drath | hehehe |
| 16:59.37 | koen | the planet is broken :( |
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| 17:00.37 | pavelm | Heya, everyone. |
| 17:02.24 | fledermaus | koen: it's been out of warranty ever since the k-t event, and we can't send it back anyway because we didn't keep the box it came in. |
| 17:08.03 | pavelm | Ok, I'm in subway, so bye for now. |
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| 17:08.51 | Mandarino | his |
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| 17:08.59 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 21:25:30 (5.893 +-5.9 days) (714,138) |
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| 17:45.18 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1605 10/developers/sean_chiang/gsm/ (27 files in 12 dirs): remove all kinds of auto-generated files that don't belong in svn |
| 17:46.19 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1606 10/developers/sean_chiang/gsm/ (7 files): delete some more autogenerated stuff |
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| 17:54.53 | peanutb | what is the state of wifi support? |
| 17:55.56 | guaqua | the rumor is that there is going to be a chip in P2 device |
| 17:56.05 | guaqua | other than that...no news |
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| 17:59.25 | peanutb | ok a bit of a stupid question, will there be infrared support? |
| 17:59.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1607 10/developers/sean_chiang/gsm/ (aclocal.m4 autom4te.cache/ config.h.in ltmain.sh): delete some more auto-generated stuff |
| 18:00.36 | zecke | koen: this emulates the git usage :) |
| 18:01.39 | koen | zecke: http://rafb.net/p/ec1Kda31.html |
| 18:01.58 | Vegar | Elrond: ok |
| 18:03.08 | zecke | hehe |
| 18:04.15 | peepsalot | peanutb, http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/03/25/#20070325-returning_from_taipei |
| 18:04.27 | peepsalot | mentions wifi |
| 18:06.09 | peanutb | ok so it will probably be in the finished product? |
| 18:06.20 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
| 18:06.25 | SpeedEvil | Maybe 1.5 |
| 18:06.27 | SpeedEvil | not P1 |
| 18:07.45 | peanutb | When can i buy one? (without wifi) |
| 18:08.49 | SpeedEvil | Allegedly. |
| 18:09.04 | SpeedEvil | A week or two, for $350. |
| 18:10.04 | peanutb | sorry, forgot to read the topic. will it be somewhat functioning? |
| 18:10.13 | koen | it can make calls |
| 18:10.22 | SpeedEvil | It can recieve calls. |
| 18:10.24 | koen | it won't get you chicks |
| 18:10.35 | SpeedEvil | It might get you _really_ geeky ones. |
| 18:10.36 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 18:10.42 | peanutb | i just wanted it to make calls |
| 18:10.59 | SpeedEvil | It's at the moment a _basic_ touchscreen phone. |
| 18:11.07 | SpeedEvil | For phone functions only. |
| 18:11.17 | koen | a slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow touchscreen phone |
| 18:11.17 | SpeedEvil | It's got assorted other prototype software on there too. |
| 18:11.34 | koen | the address-search-on-entry is glacially slow |
| 18:11.41 | peanutb | I saw something on the hardware page that it was having problems with sms and reciveing calls |
| 18:11.45 | SpeedEvil | The software should improve through September, at which time it should be release quality. |
| 18:11.47 | koen | even on my 624MHz arm device |
| 18:12.02 | SpeedEvil | At least that's the plan. |
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| 18:16.21 | balrog-kun | the P0 developer devices should be 20 MHz ARMs with 32 MB of RAM, |
| 18:17.27 | balrog-kun | this way the hackers would be making software that would run really fast later when run on the final devices |
| 18:17.41 | woglinde | balrog *g* |
| 18:17.52 | balrog-kun | ;) and i don't believe it would take away much functionality |
| 18:17.58 | balrog-kun | having seen PalmOS etc |
| 18:18.14 | woglinde | single threaded? |
| 18:18.33 | balrog-kun | yeah, but here you have a single thread runing most of the time too |
| 18:19.01 | koen | balrog-kun: It seems they gave the developers 20GHz devices, judging from the speed |
| 18:19.31 | balrog-kun | yea, or they're using the Xephyr too often :p |
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| 18:37.53 | peanutb | I have an idea for a slogan, "hello moko" |
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| 18:38.37 | pH5_ | peanutb: and you're not the first ;) |
| 18:38.40 | balrog-kun | heheh |
| 18:39.00 | peanutb | i wonder how big the lawsuit from motorola would be |
| 18:39.41 | fledermaus | they'd probably release the swarm of wingéd monke... I mean lawyers before you could blink. |
| 18:39.57 | peanutb | lol |
| 18:40.16 | SpeedEvil | I want little movable legs and arms on the corners. |
| 18:40.21 | SpeedEvil | So it can run around after me. |
| 18:41.13 | balrog-kun | they would take a revenge and name their next phone OpenMoto |
| 18:41.57 | peanutb | then we would hire the Bunch of monkeys |
| 18:42.06 | peanutb | i mean lawyers |
| 18:45.42 | guaqua | one can always make neo say hello moko :) |
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| 18:55.05 | pavelm | Heya everyone! |
| 18:55.06 | pavelm | > ...there was talk about big "get it working" session this saturday. |
| 18:55.07 | pavelm | > ...are there any results? Like new kernel/rootfs I could try? ;-) |
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| 19:03.45 | pavelm | duke: Heh, so you really want iPhone, I guess :-) |
| 19:04.39 | cjb | pavelm: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ has 1st April images. |
| 19:04.53 | cjb | .. thought perhaps we shouldn't trust images built today :) |
| 19:07.40 | DukeOfURL | pavelm: no, I'm trying to determine why my PowerBook powers off after an hour of inactivity (on the AC adapter). |
| 19:08.46 | DukeOfURL | pavelm: I watched Job's announcement, and I got real excited about the iPhone, but after learning that it's closed I lost interest. |
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| 19:12.06 | pavelm | Thanks, cjb |
| 19:12.55 | pavelm | Magon: Hi! (Sorry, can't post private messages). Matrix ended for me at the "LEDs" cipher... I was too tired and it was 14:00 or so. |
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| 19:15.35 | pavelm | cjb: I think I'll take todays images... I do not think openmoko team has time for april's fools :-) |
| 19:16.06 | pavelm | duke: Yep, iPhone is closed and months away from release -- not really interesting. |
| 19:16.28 | pavelm | duke: Well.. if they were to shrink osx to fit on the cellphone, that would be mildly interesting. |
| 19:17.06 | zecke | pavelm: LLVM is a key technology. I wonder why Apple donated an ARM backend to LLVM :} |
| 19:18.08 | koen | zecke: I have a x86 llvm and and cross-compiled llvm, do you know how to make a crosscompiling llvm? |
| 19:18.38 | zecke | koen: not yet :} |
| 19:18.41 | zecke | koen: http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2007-January/007816.html |
| 19:18.52 | pavelm | zecke: What is llvm? |
| 19:18.59 | pavelm | zecke: They'll need a crosscompiler, but that does not mean they are running osx kernel on the phone. |
| 19:19.03 | koen | zecke: Chris is a nice guy |
| 19:20.01 | zecke | pavelm: right. This could mean they run something on their iPhone with the same darwin ABI as found on your desktop |
| 19:20.41 | zecke | koen: what did Chris talk about? |
| 19:20.49 | koen | zecke: llvm |
| 19:21.17 | zecke | koen: did he demo something? |
| 19:21.29 | pavelm | zecke: Well, "same ABI" is somehow significant. |
| 19:21.29 | koen | no |
| 19:21.40 | koen | zecke: I did talk to him later about EABI support |
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| 19:26.27 | pavelm | Okay, I guess I should get some sleep. Bye bye. |
| 19:26.48 | koen | zecke: http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2007-April/008415.html |
| 19:27.21 | zecke | koen: I'm reading his bossa slides ATM |
| 19:27.42 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.51 | koen | now you mention it... |
| 19:35.10 | zecke | lol |
| 19:35.22 | zecke | koen: so you just finished your slides? |
| 19:36.55 | koen | :) |
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| 19:43.41 | xkr47 | counter |
| 19:43.41 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 20:08:09 (5.839 +-5.8 days) (715,138) |
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| 19:48.11 | philoware | hi |
| 19:48.43 | Moo^^ | good evening philoware |
| 19:49.08 | philoware | good evening |
| 19:49.33 | philoware | is neo1973 on sale now |
| 19:49.34 | philoware | ? |
| 19:49.34 | aloril | philoware: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:51.12 | fledermaus | counter |
| 19:51.13 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 20:04:23 (5.836 +-5.8 days) (716,139) |
| 19:51.26 | fledermaus | philoware: soon. |
| 19:59.13 | Moo^^ | is there a reason why P2 is 9/11? |
| 19:59.33 | Moo^^ | that day has quite bad fame |
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| 20:05.43 | Moo^^ | I think it |
| 20:05.57 | Moo^^ | I think it's unrealistic schedule to build consumer level phone in 6 months |
| 20:06.53 | philippe | Moo^^: it is the 9/11 for all closed phone producers :-) |
| 20:07.20 | philippe | Actually thinking of it I cannot rember anything dramatic happening on 9 november (for people with a sane date system) |
| 20:07.38 | Moo^^ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:07.44 | Moo^^ | 11.9.2001 for europeans |
| 20:08.23 | philippe | Moo^^: I know which date you meant. But I have no clue if it is 9 november or 11 september for p2 |
| 20:08.35 | Moo^^ | Phase 2: September 11, Mass Market Sale. [15] |
| 20:08.41 | _buz | obviously september 11 |
| 20:09.08 | koen | ooooo, something bad happened at $date, we're mighty scared now |
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| 20:09.22 | Moo^^ | anyways... I takes over 6 months for giants like Nokia to do a new product programme. And they have near infinite resources and ten years tuned codebase. |
| 20:09.25 | _buz | s/now/forever/ |
| 20:09.26 | koen | I don't think you can't pick a date where lots of people died at some point in time |
| 20:09.41 | Moo^^ | I think Openmoko might reach Trolltech Greenphone level in 6 months |
| 20:09.45 | Moo^^ | but real people won |
| 20:09.49 | Moo^^ | but real people won't buy anything like taht |
| 20:09.56 | koen | Moo^^: it won't |
| 20:10.00 | zecke | koen: let us pick a date where less than 100 iraqis got killed |
| 20:10.03 | koen | the greenphone is not a phone |
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| 20:10.12 | koen | it says so on start up |
| 20:10.38 | koen | so I'd be a bit dissapointed if in 6 months the neo1973 isn't a phone anymore |
| 20:10.55 | zecke | koen: and we would use gcc1.4 and linux2.2 :} |
| 20:11.47 | _buz | koen: obviously it will be a v12 by thenm |
| 20:13.03 | _buz | whether it will still serve as phone is entirely irrelevant |
| 20:13.39 | _buz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.47 | _buz | wtf happened just now |
| 20:15.33 | philoware | is it at level zero at the moment? |
| 20:15.48 | philoware | it doesnt have any user applications? |
| 20:16.09 | philoware | or you can't call anybody |
| 20:16.11 | philoware | ?? |
| 20:19.18 | _buz | i think you can now call people |
| 20:20.14 | Moo^^ | philoware: check blogs |
| 20:20.32 | Moo^^ | http://planet.openmoko.org/ |
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| 20:24.47 | philippe | anybody have the same issue? |
| 20:24.48 | philippe | | ERROR: The following packages conflict with matchbox-panel-2: |
| 20:24.48 | philippe | | matchbox-panel |
| 20:25.02 | zecke | philippe: someone forgot to bump the PR of some packages |
| 20:25.35 | koen | zecke: no, someone forget to switch on mallums brain when he started mb-panel-2 |
| 20:25.49 | koen | zecke: the worst fallout should be sorted out in .dev |
| 20:26.09 | koen | e.g openmoko stuff depending on 'matchbox', while they want mb-panel-2 |
| 20:27.38 | philippe | koen: so basically it is sed s/matchbox/matchbox2/ in openmoko-* |
| 20:27.52 | koen | yeah |
| 20:28.01 | koen | and find packages that depend on mb-panel1 |
| 20:28.14 | koen | like the dreaded 'matchbox' meta package |
| 20:29.00 | koen | I just built http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20070401/fic-gta01/ with the latest changes |
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| 20:55.04 | goxboxlive | zecke: are you here? |
| 20:55.16 | zecke | goxboxlive: yes |
| 20:55.37 | goxboxlive | hi, do you have a NEO? |
| 20:55.51 | zecke | yes |
| 20:56.25 | goxboxlive | is the signal strenght working in openmoko-panel-gsm? |
| 20:56.36 | zecke | goxboxlive: I don't know :) |
| 20:56.50 | zecke | goxboxlive: my image is quite old |
| 20:56.55 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 20:57.03 | goxboxlive | does the phone work? |
| 20:57.07 | goxboxlive | can you make a call? |
| 20:57.12 | goxboxlive | and recive? |
| 20:57.53 | zecke | goxboxlive: I don't know. I have not tried to use my Neo as phone yet |
| 20:58.09 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 21:00.14 | zecke | goxboxlive: everytime I want to reflash the battery id dead empty and the device does not start :) |
| 21:01.14 | goxboxlive | i c |
| 21:01.37 | goxboxlive | i woundering buying one when it arrives in a week or so, but havent decided yet |
| 21:02.07 | zecke | hehe, I think it is worth buying |
| 21:02.23 | zecke | goxboxlive: it can be the reference platform for your htc devices :) |
| 21:03.45 | goxboxlive | zecke: Ihave just now been able to make and receive calls with openmoko-dialer. We haveent got the mic working yet, but the gsmd is up running :-) |
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| 21:21.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1608 10/trunk/oe/ (6 files in 3 dirs): oe: add fbgrab-viewer-native courtesy Stefan Schmidt. closes #140 |
| 21:23.15 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|zzZZzz: As you are on it: http://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/memedit_0.7.bb |
| 21:23.41 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|zzZZzz: I have this in my local tree and the recipe works fine for me. |
| 21:24.08 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|zzZZzz: I also like to see this on oe directly of course. :) |
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| 21:24.51 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1609 10/trunk/oe/packages/memedit/ (. memedit_0.7.bb): oe: add memedit courtesy Stefan Schmidt. |
| 21:25.20 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|zzZZzz: thanks for all the fish. ;) |
| 21:25.22 | mickey|zzZZzz | stefan_schmidt: did you also got the list of task from Daniel? |
| 21:25.31 | mickey|zzZZzz | (or only the brainstorming part) |
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| 21:25.43 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|zzZZzz: Only brainstorming |
| 21:26.07 | mickey|zzZZzz | ah, there are enough tasks for both of you. once I cleared contracts let's talk how to assign these |
| 21:26.14 | mickey|zzZZzz | going to bed now |
| 21:26.29 | mickey|zzZZzz | it was fun! |
| 21:26.29 | mickey|zzZZzz | let's repeat that |
| 21:26.29 | mickey|zzZZzz | g'night |
| 21:26.30 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|zzZZzz: ok, me too. night |
| 21:27.00 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 22:52.32 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zecke * r1610 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/src/ (Makefile.am rfcdate.c rfcdate.h): (log message trimmed) |
| 22:52.32 | CIA-16 | openmoko: RSS Reader: start creating a GObject to store the RSS Date |
| 22:52.32 | CIA-16 | openmoko: The RSS Date is from RFC822 and glib lacks something |
| 22:52.32 | CIA-16 | openmoko: like QDateTime. This class creates something similiar. It |
| 22:52.32 | CIA-16 | openmoko: will be used inside the GtkTreeModelSort to allow fast |
| 22:52.35 | CIA-16 | openmoko: sorting by date. |
| 22:52.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Using a custom cell renderer we can then exchange the |
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| 23:32.06 | SpeedEvil | Anyone happen to be using 'Orange World' ? |
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