| 00:00.08 | balrog-kun | i think the P0 version used the generic matchbox menu bar |
| 00:00.21 | spikebik1 | counter |
| 00:00.21 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, a day 11:59:38 (8.500 +-7.0 days) (663) |
| 00:00.41 | balrog-kun | obviously it didn't look as good as this one |
| 00:05.26 | balrog-kun | heh, the web browser preferences let you choose whether you're running on a "Desktop computer", a "Television" or "Handheld" |
| 00:05.46 | balrog-kun | that's about all of the preferences dialog |
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| 00:11.29 | mickeyl | g'night |
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| 00:18.59 | balrog-kun | does the Input Methods widget (keyboard icon) on the menu bar display ok on a real Neo, in todays snapshot? |
| 00:22.12 | balrog-kun | http://rainbow.mimuw.edu.pl/~az258116/screen-qemu-neo-dialer.png |
| 00:23.30 | balrog-kun | the white field is the input widget, it works |
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| 00:24.30 | CoreDump|home | balrog-kun: no, it's brr |
| 00:24.40 | CoreDump|home | been that way for ages |
| 00:24.57 | balrog-kun | CoreDump|home: i see |
| 00:25.03 | _ASK | http://mikemex.t35.com/phone/telefono2.png |
| 00:25.17 | balrog-kun | well, it looked ok on the matchbox menubar that they used earlier |
| 00:26.51 | _ASK | 105 x 50 x 15 mm |
| 00:27.37 | _ASK | key spacing (center to center): 10 mm |
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| 00:42.51 | init_alx | geez, been reading the wiki... now i can't wait for sept. |
| 00:44.09 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:46.21 | mwester-laptop | hehe! |
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| 00:47.59 | init_alx | :D |
| 00:48.49 | SpeedEvil | It's not so much a prototype. More first generation hardware with unfinished software. |
| 00:49.04 | SpeedEvil | As development continues, it should mature as a phone over the next months. |
| 00:49.33 | _ASK | it's a prototype |
| 00:49.38 | init_alx | well, i'm using "prototype" to mean the phase 1 device with the slower CPU and without the possible addition of wifi and/or the camera |
| 00:49.41 | _ASK | no decent phone today lacks a camera |
| 00:49.54 | init_alx | or whatever other hardware features they're awesome enough to give us |
| 00:49.58 | SpeedEvil | Many people can't use phones with cameras. |
| 00:50.07 | _ASK | can't? |
| 00:50.19 | mwester-laptop | Yep |
| 00:50.22 | SpeedEvil | They are prohibited from taking them to work. |
| 00:51.02 | mwester-laptop | I carry an ancient Nokia in my car's glovebox for customers that won't let me take my Motorola RAZR inside. |
| 00:51.03 | init_alx | SpeedEvil: so what we really need is a no-camera model |
| 00:51.03 | _ASK | i have a reporter friend whose job depends on the camera of his phone |
| 00:51.43 | _ASK | are those restrictions legal, anyway? |
| 00:51.48 | SpeedEvil | Of course. |
| 00:51.50 | _ASK | sounds like indaving your own privacy |
| 00:51.51 | init_alx | yeah |
| 00:51.58 | SpeedEvil | You don't have to take the money for the job. |
| 00:52.11 | SpeedEvil | If you take the money, they get to say what you can do. |
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| 00:52.22 | init_alx | _ASK: it's just like banning CD players or refridgerators |
| 00:52.28 | init_alx | *refrigerators, lol |
| 00:53.00 | _ASK | so that's the reason why are out there phones without camera? |
| 00:53.14 | _ASK | i think i saw a camera-less treo the other day |
| 00:53.14 | SpeedEvil | A reason. |
| 00:53.16 | init_alx | yeah |
| 00:53.20 | init_alx | there's other reasons |
| 00:53.24 | SpeedEvil | Also some people don't want cameras. |
| 00:53.29 | init_alx | like, phone companies practically give away old hardware |
| 00:53.43 | init_alx | so if you don't care, then you'll take the cheaper, older phone without a camera |
| 00:53.58 | _ASK | but a treo with and without a camera, it's the same weight and size and such |
| 00:54.21 | init_alx | well |
| 00:54.24 | philippe | The quality is so bad anyway it is unusable... |
| 00:54.33 | init_alx | if your interest is taking pictures...you're probably better off with a digicam |
| 00:54.41 | _ASK | certainly, but even that is better than nothing |
| 00:54.46 | init_alx | if you only use it every once in a while, you can *probably* get away without it |
| 00:54.56 | init_alx | teenage girls drive the camera phone market. |
| 00:54.59 | SpeedEvil | There are uses for bad photos. |
| 00:55.08 | init_alx | still |
| 00:55.13 | SpeedEvil | Apart from taking pictures of vomiting people. |
| 00:55.19 | philippe | cameraphones only seem useful for drunken pictures and stupid youtube vids... |
| 00:55.22 | init_alx | i could definitely see videoconferencing in openmoko being something awesome |
| 00:55.40 | SpeedEvil | For example, 640*480 is fine for taking pictures of price labels in shops. |
| 00:55.47 | init_alx | of course, anything that's not in the main hardware can probably be bluetooth'd anyway |
| 00:56.00 | spikebik1 | Like a GPS ;-) |
| 00:56.01 | _ASK | well, i bought a digital camera like 3 years ago |
| 00:56.05 | philippe | init_alx: videoconferencing will probably need wifi and a faster cpu |
| 00:56.07 | _ASK | it's 2 MPx |
| 00:56.08 | init_alx | SpeedEvil: GPS is built in ;) |
| 00:56.09 | SpeedEvil | which is handy for just wandering around looking at prices of stuff you may not want to buy till later. |
| 00:56.14 | init_alx | erm |
| 00:56.16 | init_alx | spikebik1* |
| 00:56.35 | _ASK | it would be awesome to be able to take pictures without carrying the camera AND the phone |
| 00:56.41 | init_alx | yeah |
| 00:57.08 | init_alx | what we shouldn't do is think along the lines of "i wouldn't use it, so it's not important", there's definitely people out there who would use a camera |
| 00:57.17 | SpeedEvil | Oh - sure. |
| 00:57.19 | init_alx | philippe: faster CPU than the 1+ one? |
| 00:57.23 | _ASK | that's why geeks have so bad reputation |
| 00:57.26 | init_alx | yeah |
| 00:57.31 | _ASK | they think they know better than anyone else |
| 00:57.46 | _ASK | and dare to decide for others what they want (or not) |
| 00:57.54 | init_alx | see |
| 00:57.59 | init_alx | that works in software |
| 00:58.09 | init_alx | because if you don't implement a feature, someone else can |
| 00:58.21 | spikebik1 | btw, a treo without a phone being almost identical to a treo with a phone doesn't mean that phones are "free" just that treo didn't do a from the ground up design without a phone |
| 00:58.21 | init_alx | but with hardware it kind of breaks down ;) |
| 00:58.51 | _ASK | but neo1973 is almost identical in concept to a treo |
| 00:58.54 | init_alx | spikebik1: we were talking about a treo without a camera |
| 00:59.06 | _ASK | except for the lack of goodies like a keyboard and directional pad |
| 00:59.07 | philippe | init_alx: depends on the resolution and will be in the 1+ |
| 00:59.12 | philippe | and memory bandwith... |
| 00:59.13 | spikebik1 | right, but it's the same design, just with the camera ommitted |
| 00:59.33 | _ASK | a phone doesn't need a 2.8 VGA screen. |
| 00:59.39 | init_alx | does anyone know what the discount on the 1+ will be for people who purchase the initial dev hardware? |
| 00:59.51 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 01:00.07 | SpeedEvil | _ASK: If you don't like - don't buy. |
| 01:00.23 | SpeedEvil | This revision is pretty much set in stone - hardware is shipping in around a week |
| 01:00.29 | init_alx | yeah |
| 01:00.31 | init_alx | :) |
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| 01:00.43 | _ASK | i don't comply just because so |
| 01:00.44 | init_alx | but i should probably wait for the 1+ |
| 01:01.00 | _ASK | i know this release is mostly for developers |
| 01:01.01 | spikebik1 | I love my nokia 770 |
| 01:01.01 | _ASK | but i want the real thing to be full featured. |
| 01:01.14 | SpeedEvil | _ASK: go and look on the wishlist pages on the wiki |
| 01:01.25 | spikebik1 | if the openmoko turns into a widget with similar functionality + phone I'll buy one... I'm hoping |
| 01:01.26 | SpeedEvil | we all know most people want wifi and camear |
| 01:01.41 | spikebik1 | dunno about wifi |
| 01:01.48 | spikebik1 | I just hope flat rate 3G gets cheaper |
| 01:01.53 | spikebik1 | then I suspect most wouldn't care |
| 01:02.01 | _ASK | and I want a decent keypad, and I speak for a *LOT* of people |
| 01:02.10 | SpeedEvil | 3G radios are a bit more expensive. |
| 01:02.26 | spikebik1 | is wifi cheaper? |
| 01:02.38 | SpeedEvil | _ASK: How many people do you speak for? Have you got their signatures? |
| 01:02.38 | spikebik1 | (once you consider the higher power, additional chips, etc.) |
| 01:03.03 | SpeedEvil | Wifi may be cheaper, yes. |
| 01:03.10 | spikebik1 | that works then |
| 01:03.12 | init_alx | haha |
| 01:03.14 | SpeedEvil | AIUI, 3G also needs license fees. |
| 01:03.15 | init_alx | speaking of rates |
| 01:03.22 | _ASK | 600K treos a year, with many other models and manufacturers adding each day. have you hear about blackberries? |
| 01:03.30 | spikebik1 | if you use a phone as a phone seems hard to justify more than edge |
| 01:03.31 | init_alx | i wonder how much a month unlimited internet to my neo will cost |
| 01:03.35 | init_alx | once i get it |
| 01:03.51 | init_alx | lol |
| 01:03.56 | SpeedEvil | (18 month contract, virgin) |
| 01:04.18 | SpeedEvil | Or I may mean t-mobile. |
| 01:04.22 | SpeedEvil | In fact I think I do. |
| 01:04.31 | mjr | my 10 euro a month for 12 months contract covers UMTS as well, though only up to 128kbps speeds; more money for more speed |
| 01:04.38 | spikebik1 | t-mobile has a cheap plan, I'm not sure how limited it is, i.e. what ports are open |
| 01:05.06 | init_alx | yeah |
| 01:05.09 | SpeedEvil | Almost no providers give you access inbound to th enet. |
| 01:05.10 | init_alx | that's what i'm wondering |
| 01:05.20 | init_alx | well inbound is kind of lol for a phone |
| 01:05.23 | SpeedEvil | as otherwise you get swamped with virus scanners/... |
| 01:05.37 | init_alx | i wonder if it'd be possible to get an internet-only plan |
| 01:05.39 | SpeedEvil | Just do the VPN thing. |
| 01:05.42 | spikebik1 | heh, I meant just open outbound |
| 01:05.47 | init_alx | and use voip/skpye or something |
| 01:06.00 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile say no skype/IM |
| 01:06.04 | init_alx | :/ |
| 01:06.10 | init_alx | so what providers are there for the US |
| 01:06.20 | init_alx | or can we use pretty much anyone that does GSM/GPRS? |
| 01:06.23 | SpeedEvil | OTOH - 1G/mo fair use isn't unreasonable. |
| 01:06.25 | spikebik1 | tmobild and cingular mostly |
| 01:06.57 | mjr | SpeedEvil, I wouldn't call it unreasonable, no |
| 01:07.09 | init_alx | i would want unlimited just on principle |
| 01:07.09 | init_alx | haha |
| 01:07.56 | SpeedEvil | 1G/mo is around 4K/s |
| 01:07.58 | TobiX | O² here in germany has a WAP-flat for 5¤, so you can tunnel everything over HTTP ;) |
| 01:08.01 | _ASK | they limit it because there is a lot of people who abuses |
| 01:08.16 | _ASK | like connecting P2P software through the phone |
| 01:09.53 | init_alx | lol |
| 01:09.56 | init_alx | ew |
| 01:10.23 | init_alx | SpeedEvil: i could easily see using 1 G/month viewing websites & sending picture |
| 01:10.38 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 01:10.42 | init_alx | and i wonder if it'll be possible to route computer via bluetooth or USB through openmoko/GPRS |
| 01:10.53 | init_alx | :D |
| 01:10.56 | SpeedEvil | However, it would be minorly annoying, for me, rather than impossible to live with. |
| 01:10.58 | init_alx | probably...that would rock |
| 01:11.05 | SpeedEvil | It's enough to cope with IRC and usenet. |
| 01:11.12 | init_alx | SpeedEvil: as this phone is about possibilities though... ;) |
| 01:11.24 | rwhitby | init_alx: absolutely possible with bnep and usbnet |
| 01:11.32 | init_alx | :D |
| 01:11.34 | _ASK | just imagine the porno you can watch on the go... |
| 01:11.42 | SpeedEvil | Possibilities - not offered by carriers in my country aren't possibilities for me though. |
| 01:11.45 | rwhitby | I already ssh into the Neo via bluetooth from a Treo650. |
| 01:11.54 | init_alx | SpeedEvil: :( that sucks |
| 01:11.59 | _ASK | a female friend of mine told me the other day "and phones vibrate..." |
| 01:12.09 | balrog-kun | do you have to always press the AUX button after powering up the Neo with current u-boot? |
| 01:12.27 | init_alx | rwhitby: can it make/receive calls yet? |
| 01:12.29 | SpeedEvil | _ASK: www.thetoy.co.uk all it needs is someone to write a driver. |
| 01:12.30 | balrog-kun | i.e there's no automatic boot anymore after a timeout? |
| 01:12.48 | SpeedEvil | init_alx: yes. |
| 01:12.55 | SpeedEvil | The dialer now works. |
| 01:13.14 | init_alx | SpeedEvil: :D |
| 01:13.33 | _ASK | HAHAHAHA |
| 01:15.50 | init_alx | _ASK: ? |
| 01:15.55 | init_alx | oh |
| 01:15.55 | init_alx | yeah |
| 01:16.15 | _ASK | women are more perverse than they seem... |
| 01:17.02 | init_alx | yeah |
| 01:17.06 | init_alx | i'm just starting to realize that |
| 01:17.44 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Alx]] [[Translation]] [[Wishlist:Unlikely]] |
| 01:18.14 | init_alx | woo! |
| 01:18.17 | init_alx | 2 of mine |
| 01:20.00 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - this is for _internal_ hardware though. |
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| 01:24.37 | init_alx | it would be interesting to host websites from the neo |
| 01:24.43 | init_alx | like a mobile blog site |
| 01:24.55 | init_alx | or stream something like justin.tv |
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| 02:13.37 | rwhitby | hmm - my dialer is not working. |
| 02:13.53 | roh | not working means? |
| 02:14.11 | rwhitby | well, this phase0 hardware, and the latest image. |
| 02:14.28 | roh | ah.. it should actully use gsmd now? |
| 02:14.31 | rwhitby | using the phase0 image, I was able to make calls via stty to the gsm module directly. |
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| 02:14.53 | rwhitby | so I've now flashed the latest u-boot, kernel, image. and gsmd is running. |
| 02:15.08 | rwhitby | I added "-l /var/log/gsmd" to /etc/init.d/gsmd options to see what is happening. |
| 02:15.17 | roh | yep.. i already did that with the help of gsmd and the libgsmd-tool |
| 02:16.03 | rwhitby | yeah, looks like I need to step back from using the ui dialer, and try again using libgsmd-tool |
| 02:16.35 | roh | last time i tried (3 days ago) the ui didnt actually do any dialing attemts here |
| 02:16.37 | rwhitby | http://pastebin.ca/414529 is the output from gsmd startup. everything there looks fine. |
| 02:16.54 | roh | it only did its immediate connection-accepted-mockup thingie |
| 02:16.59 | rwhitby | time to kill the dialer app and try driving gsmd manually |
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| 02:17.30 | rwhitby | oh, I thought people had made real calls with the ui dialer. |
| 02:17.40 | rwhitby | if that's not the case, then I won't worry and will just go back to cmdline dialling. |
| 02:17.49 | roh | there also is afaik no ui to input any pin code.. so you need to do that by hand i assume |
| 02:21.37 | roh | well... i'll just try |
| 02:21.38 | roh | i have a fresh build from 2:30 am here |
| 02:24.59 | parag0n_ | the UI dialer should work from bootup now, according to the changelog on the wiki |
| 02:42.39 | roh | YAY |
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| 02:42.44 | roh | it does |
| 02:43.03 | roh | i just needed to power it on and register network it seems |
| 02:43.52 | roh | just made my first call from the device with numbers i dialed on the ts |
| 02:44.07 | nibbler_de | ;) |
| 02:45.25 | roh | libgsmd-tool -v -m shell after booting and O *wait* R *wait* the starting the dialer and dialing |
| 02:45.44 | roh | actually gsmd crashed on beween on first try and i started it again ;) |
| 02:46.40 | roh | nibbler_de your sim came exactly on the day i could use one *g* |
| 02:49.52 | nibbler_de | good to hear ;) |
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| 03:01.15 | rwhitby | roh: trying that now ... |
| 03:02.21 | rwhitby | yep, that worked. the missing link is the registration |
| 03:02.30 | rwhitby | looks like the UI dialer doesn't try and register |
| 03:04.59 | roh | seems so |
| 03:05.21 | roh | but hey.. it also needs a network-chosing possibility soon i think |
| 03:06.44 | nibbler_de | roh: i can supply you with a simcard that can use all four german networks if you need, for testing purposes |
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| 03:09.34 | roh | nibbler_de later.. first i need hardware without 50% buzzing due to the sidetone-bug |
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| 03:12.03 | parag0n_ | nibbler_de, how does that work? and can it be done in other countries? |
| 03:13.09 | nibbler_de | parag0n_: it's a dutch prepaid simcard ;) |
| 03:13.34 | parag0n_ | ah, so it uses any networkto route back to its home network? |
| 03:13.36 | nibbler_de | no registration, anonymous, cheap tariff... check out http://www.lebara-mobile.nl/ |
| 03:13.46 | nibbler_de | yup. roams in many networks |
| 03:14.05 | nibbler_de | even in the thuraya satellite network :) |
| 03:14.13 | nibbler_de | how... convenient ;) |
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| 03:15.44 | nibbler_de | but it seems that your calls are being routed partly through chinanet - so... i wouldn't use it for anything important unless it's crypted |
| 03:16.12 | empty_mind | anyone played with qemu build of openmoko? I get a message saying "Touch the crosshair to calibrate the screen" |
| 03:17.58 | roh | empty_mind do you emulate a usb-touchpad or what youre trying? |
| 03:18.35 | empty_mind | roh, just downloaded the openmoko-qemu image and running it as per instructions |
| 03:19.00 | empty_mind | roh, running it on touchpad based laptop though |
| 03:19.56 | roh | hm |
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| 03:24.12 | roh | propably you just have to get behind the ts-calibrator |
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| 03:32.35 | empty_mind | roh, how ? |
| 03:33.07 | roh | comment it out in the scripts or so? |
| 03:33.32 | roh | you can ssh into it and look if its just in front of other apps or the first and only x-app |
| 03:33.51 | roh | i dunno by hand how in detail the gui comes up |
| 03:34.29 | roh | if its running in front kill it and see if you can use the gui with the mouse then |
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| 03:43.07 | roh | oh.. there IS pin stuff in the dialer |
| 03:46.00 | empty_mind | roh, yaa i can use gui and mouse. |
| 03:54.52 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03alex_tang * r1545 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/ (callbacks.c sms-contact-window.c sms-contact-window.h): GList* selectedContacts is not need any more. |
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| 04:00.49 | empty_mind | roh, i had been able to kill ts-calibrate, but wen i click on any icon it says "press ctrl-alt to end grab". ANy idea how do i fix this ? |
| 04:05.16 | roh | uh.. no |
| 04:05.37 | roh | afaik the qemu target is broken in that way atm |
| 04:05.58 | roh | i recieves not so much love now where devices are at some locations |
| 04:06.17 | roh | so then.. have fun.. gotta go |
| 04:10.15 | empty_mind | roh, actually seemless mouse options for qemu are not working |
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| 05:17.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r1546 10/developers/werner/libftdi-c56-strings-dirty-hack.patch: |
| 05:17.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Partial fix (strings only) for |
| 05:17.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=321 |
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| 05:53.55 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, a day 06:06:19 (8.254 +-7.0 days) |
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| 06:38.37 | smithbone | Anybody here that using openocd up? |
| 06:38.37 | aloril | smithbone: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 06:49.47 | smithbone | TeringTuby: Don't suppose you use openocd do you? |
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| 06:53.56 | rwhitby | smithbone: I've used openocd as part of devirginator to reflash my Phase0 device |
| 06:54.25 | smithbone | rwhitby: I seem to be having trouble getting it to recognize my debug board. |
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| 06:54.52 | rwhitby | smithbone: have you read the latest messages on the hardware mailing list? |
| 06:55.34 | rwhitby | e.g. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/neo1973-hardware/2007-March/000057.html |
| 06:55.48 | smithbone | rwhitby: No.. I haven't.. |
| 06:56.22 | rwhitby | for some reason, I've never had a problem with the debug board. perhaps cause I use an nslu2 to drive it :-) |
| 06:58.21 | smithbone | rwhitby: That seem to be suggesting that is a phone problem. |
| 06:58.30 | smithbone | rwhitby: I don't get to step 4 |
| 06:58.35 | smithbone | Info: openocd.c:84 main(): Open On-Chip Debugger (2007-01-31 12:00 CET) |
| 06:58.35 | smithbone | Error: ft2232.c:1351 ft2232_init(): unable to open ftdi device: device not found |
| 06:59.06 | rwhitby | are you sure you've got the ftdi_sio kernel driver installed, with the right product and vendor settings? |
| 06:59.44 | smithbone | rwhitby: Things are some what hosed. our debug board did not have the right eeprom settings but I think I have that set. |
| 06:59.53 | smithbone | rwhitby: Minus the strings.. |
| 07:00.22 | rwhitby | smithbone: what does "modinfo ftdi_sio" say on your host? |
| 07:00.34 | smithbone | rwhitby: I know the vendor and product are set.. |
| 07:00.38 | smithbone | rwhitby: standby |
| 07:01.04 | rwhitby | you did the "modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x1457 product=0x5118" thing? |
| 07:01.41 | smithbone | woah.. lots of output. |
| 07:02.08 | smithbone | rwhitby: yeah I'm pretty sure I did the vendor product thing. |
| 07:02.15 | smithbone | rwhitby: how do I check? |
| 07:02.56 | rwhitby | I get "parm: product:ushort |
| 07:02.57 | rwhitby | parm: vendor:User specified product ID (ushort)" as the third-last and second-last lines of the modinfo output |
| 07:03.09 | smithbone | yep..vendor:User specified vendor ID |
| 07:03.30 | rwhitby | dunno then. sorry. |
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| 07:04.30 | smithbone | rwhitby: ok thanks.. I guess I'll go back to trying to enable openocd debugging and recompile. |
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| 07:11.07 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 07:19.18 | roh | ah.. werner just checked in developers/werner/libftdi-c56-strings-dirty-hack.patch |
| 07:19.40 | roh | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=321 |
| 07:19.52 | smithbone | rwhitby: Fixed. |
| 07:20.05 | smithbone | I had the eeprom screwed up. |
| 07:20.11 | CM | :-) |
| 07:20.55 | smithbone | So whats the best image for me to reflash? |
| 07:23.37 | roh | hm.. make update via gprs/umts makes no fun at all |
| 07:25.58 | smithbone | roh: I just got my debug board going. I've got a phase -1 device that won't charge the battery. What the best stuff for me to reflash in to fix that? |
| 07:27.27 | roh | you have a gta01bv2 or earlier? |
| 07:28.10 | smithbone | Uh.. I'm not totally sure... I'm still pretty cold on the whole deal. Its Mako's phone. |
| 07:28.28 | smithbone | roh: He left it here at OLPC for us to work on. |
| 07:28.35 | roh | hehe ;) |
| 07:28.51 | smithbone | How do I check? |
| 07:29.22 | roh | if the case is off you can look on the pcb beneath the display |
| 07:29.49 | smithbone | I've got the case off but the display is still attached.. |
| 07:30.02 | roh | not under the display |
| 07:31.56 | roh | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta01b_v3_top.jpg |
| 07:32.44 | smithbone | roh: GTA01B_A3 |
| 07:33.01 | smithbone | There was a jumper hiding the text. |
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| 07:36.47 | roh | ok.. thats what you need to know when flashing.. because the wrong uboot will not work |
| 07:37.16 | roh | gta01bv3 it is called |
| 07:41.17 | smithbone | Thanks.. |
| 07:41.31 | smithbone | I seem to be getting a 404 from the wiki link http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/gta01/deploy/images/ |
| 07:44.11 | philippe | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ seems to work |
| 07:45.14 | smithbone | Ah.. the gta01 has gone away.. |
| 07:45.29 | smithbone | its just /mpt/deploy/images now. |
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| 07:50.27 | smithbone | philippe: Yep.. thanks. |
| 07:51.00 | smithbone | i'm trying to download it now. |
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| 07:55.04 | Chapay | Hello can i install OpenMoko on Series60 smartphone (nokia 6630) !? |
| 07:55.44 | zod | no |
| 07:56.33 | Chapay | zod: :( it`s no good :( why !? |
| 07:57.00 | koen|lab | sure, just convince nokia to release the linux kernel they ported to that phone |
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| 08:00.29 | Chapay | koen|lab: but if we know whot processor in it we can use openmoko !? |
| 08:03.38 | Chapay | but i not understand it inpusible !? |
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| 08:08.03 | aloril | Chapay: porting OpenMoko to that phone requires documentation of hardware |
| 08:08.44 | pH5 | aloril: or a lot of time. |
| 08:08.48 | aloril | CPU only is not enough, you need to know all other devices in it too |
| 08:09.11 | Chapay | aloril: i thik Symbian it`s not so close platfofm |
| 08:10.21 | aloril | hmmm.. porting linux libraries to Symbian? hmm.. ouch? |
| 08:10.40 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03ken_zhao * r1547 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/ (ChangeLog src/application-menu.c): |
| 08:10.40 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Remove unnecessory setting a default size to the file chooser dialog. |
| 08:10.40 | CIA-16 | openmoko: After installing single package successfully, refresh the navigation. |
| 08:10.40 | CIA-16 | openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=288 |
| 08:10.40 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Use the "Exit" menuitem instead of the "Quit" menuitem in the application manu. |
| 08:10.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Followed the suggestion of: |
| 08:10.46 | CIA-16 | openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=296 |
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| 08:13.37 | Chapay | aloril i think it`s no good idia :( but if we can runing OpenMoko on Series 60 it`s be SO COOL !!! Whether not so!!!??? |
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| 08:14.27 | aloril | Chapay: sure, but I think its a lot of work, feel free to try to do it yourself though ;-) |
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| 08:15.15 | Chapay | oh i not so good hacker :( |
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| 08:16.05 | Chapay | but i can translate wiki on russian :) As I do now :) |
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| 08:16.45 | buz | mhh the trolls are porting qt to winmobile |
| 08:17.09 | aloril | openmoko in wince might be a bit easier, gtk, etc.. are already ported to windows |
| 08:17.39 | buz | not sure how related winmobile and win really are |
| 08:17.48 | buz | winmobile for one is even crashhappier than win itself |
| 08:18.09 | koen|lab | my old wince device had to wakeup every midnight to do a sanity check |
| 08:18.11 | aloril | buz: yeah and for other programs you want more, doubt wince has posix compatibility? |
| 08:18.20 | buz | yeah i doubt that too |
| 08:18.24 | buz | (to be fair, xp on decent hardware is about as stable as linux) |
| 08:18.31 | buz | at least on the desktop |
| 08:22.11 | koen|lab | rwhitby: you can already make and receive calls with the GUI dialer: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/sim-in-a-can |
| 08:24.00 | balrog-kun | openmoko should run happily in cygwin |
| 08:24.07 | balrog-kun | (i think) |
| 08:24.30 | Chapay | i thin probe use it on desctop linux ^) |
| 08:24.32 | Chapay | :) |
| 08:25.19 | buz | koen|lab: very much so |
| 08:25.32 | buz | thats the most binding constraint on most of the hacked routers |
| 08:25.39 | koen|lab | I still have 52MB ram free with the dialer loaded and stuff |
| 08:25.42 | robtaylor | koen|lab: oh, telepathy-sip is now released, btw |
| 08:25.49 | koen|lab | robtaylor: cool |
| 08:26.05 | buz | i'm still not entirely sure what telepathy actually does |
| 08:26.14 | koen|lab | robtaylor: but I have to spank daf to stop telepathy-gabble to run generated binaries during the build |
| 08:26.24 | buz | does it basically provide the protocol stack? |
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| 08:27.18 | koen|lab | robtaylor: ETA on a new HAL release? The RC doesn't compile..... |
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| 08:27.39 | robtaylor | buz: its a specification for a dbus interface |
| 08:27.58 | robtaylor | buz: its basically an abtraction of IM and vvoip services |
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| 08:28.09 | buz | thats what i understood |
| 08:28.22 | buz | but somehow along the line of telepathy and kde's decibel i got confused |
| 08:28.28 | koen|lab | I hate circuit and PCB design.... |
| 08:28.36 | robtaylor | buz: so you can have multiple backends providing dbus services for connecting to various systems, sip, xmpp, msn, oscar, etc |
| 08:28.47 | koen|lab | buz: it's easy: telepathy abstracts stuff |
| 08:28.56 | buz | so we get rid of libgaim that way? |
| 08:29.07 | robtaylor | buz: and mutiple ui's can access those systems |
| 08:29.09 | koen|lab | buz: but KDE loves more needles abstraction, so they abstract telepathy |
| 08:29.42 | robtaylor | buz: so on n800, theres a voice/vido calling app, an im ap, a contact synronisation app and the contacts app |
| 08:29.48 | buz | well in some way it seems understandable that they want a C++ interface |
| 08:30.07 | robtaylor | koen|lab: thats not actually true |
| 08:30.18 | robtaylor | koen|lab: Decibel is a mission control implementation for kde |
| 08:30.19 | koen|lab | robtaylor: I know |
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| 08:31.06 | buz | (it's impossible to justify buying a thinkpad when your current notebook works perfectly) |
| 08:31.08 | robtaylor | buz: and all the apps talk the abtracted interface, so they dont (in theory) care about what kind of backend they're talkiung to |
| 08:34.47 | kelvinn | buz: what if your notebook is a 6 year old thinkpad? :) |
| 08:34.47 | aloril | kelvinn: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 08:34.50 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page/ru]] |
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| 08:37.52 | buz | kelvinn: well the m200 still has 1,5 warranty even |
| 08:38.04 | buz | lets see what i get for it ;9 |
| 08:38.23 | kelvinn | Warrenty even! |
| 08:45.02 | buz | ehehe |
| 08:45.18 | buz | but those 1650x1080 2.4kg thinkpads are just too tasty |
| 08:45.40 | guaqua | buz: would you like to sell your laptop for a fraction of it's value? i'm willing to buy? :) |
| 08:45.58 | buz | sure, for 0.9times its value |
| 08:46.07 | guaqua | hmm |
| 08:46.31 | buz | question being what the value is, really |
| 08:46.39 | guaqua | okay, if i get to decide the value |
| 08:46.46 | buz | that i dont like ;) |
| 08:46.54 | guaqua | deal, right? ;) |
| 08:46.58 | buz | i even have dockingstation and second psu for it |
| 08:47.13 | buz | should be easy enough to sell (considering that those crappy ibm tablets go for nearly 1000EUR) |
| 08:47.16 | guaqua | what's the screen size? |
| 08:47.31 | buz | 12"@1400x1050, tablet |
| 08:48.17 | guaqua | i'll have to look into it later ;( |
| 08:48.21 | guaqua | meaning ;) |
| 08:48.32 | buz | sure |
| 08:48.37 | buz | i'm here all day ;) |
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| 08:51.06 | koen|lab | heh |
| 08:51.07 | koen|lab | http://tweakers.net/nieuws/46916/Tweede-Kamer:-Voip-valt-onder-telecommunicatiewet.html |
| 08:51.12 | koen|lab | (in dutch) |
| 08:51.37 | koen|lab | another example on how encryption isn't understood by politicians |
| 08:53.20 | rwhitby | koen|lab: yeah, I thought I had seen reports of the gui dialer working. so now I need to work out why I have to manually register using libgsmd-tool before the dialer will work. |
| 08:54.19 | koen|lab | rwhitby: the trick is that the dialer needs to get (re)started after gsmd (re)starts |
| 08:55.23 | rwhitby | so I reboot, and gsmd starts, and then I open the dialer. it doesn't work. I kill the dialer and run libgsmd-tool and register with the network manually. then I open the dialer again and it works. |
| 08:56.36 | koen|lab | hmmm |
| 08:56.39 | rwhitby | and I've got gsmd to log to a file, so I can *see* that neither gsmd nor the dialer are registering with the network automatically for my phase0 device, latest official moko firmware. |
| 08:56.46 | robtaylor | so..anyone wantto write a gsmd backend for telepathy? ;) |
| 08:57.14 | koen|lab | rwhitby: I'm not using "official moko firmware", but that shouldn't make a difference |
| 08:57.41 | rwhitby | right. at least I have working and non-working cases, so it shouldn't be hard for me to track down what's wrong. |
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| 09:09.17 | CM | koen|lab: Think I understood some of that article at least. The sad part is that most politicians have not the slightest clue about anything technical and yet they are happy to make up laws and regulations about such things without really researching it. |
| 09:10.26 | koen|lab | CM: it says 'companies' have to give their encryption keys to the government |
| 09:10.42 | koen|lab | so who would they harass for opensource software? |
| 09:10.50 | koen|lab | (ignoring on-the-fly keygen) |
| 09:11.04 | CM | Hehe.. Yeah, I wonder |
| 09:12.03 | koen|lab | It would be funny if my (non-existant) company made a voip app and they want to wiretap my conversations |
| 09:12.12 | CM | Maybe it's time for me to get a bit more paranoid about encryption and security and put on my tinfoil hat. ;) |
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| 09:18.26 | buz | mhh so if you generate keys on the fly what happens? |
| 09:21.08 | koen|lab | buz: only you and the person you are talking to have the keys |
| 09:21.19 | buz | yeah obviously |
| 09:21.23 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1548 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/src/ (moko-gsm-conn.c moko-gsm-conn.h openmoko-panel-gsm.c): some small modifies, and reorgnize the icon names, add gprs icons, needs to find out gprs signal(connection) update function |
| 09:21.34 | buz | i was wondering more about the legal implications |
| 09:21.59 | buz | for sip, i dont see why you wouldnt use on the fly keys |
| 09:22.14 | buz | (for most bidirectional paths, really) |
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| 09:28.09 | mjr | zrtp is the thing for voip |
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| 09:38.47 | rwhitby | mickeyl: is gui dialer meant to work at the moment (i.e. does it register with the network automatically?) |
| 09:39.21 | alphaone | rwhitby: Only if you disable the PIN |
| 09:39.28 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 09:39.32 | rwhitby | alphaone: I don't have a pin on that sim |
| 09:39.35 | mickeyl | all my SIMs have disabled PIN |
| 09:39.42 | alphaone | So it should work |
| 09:39.59 | mickeyl | i found myself being in a situation where i had to manually register w/ the network though |
| 09:40.02 | mickeyl | rarely |
| 09:40.05 | hrw | re |
| 09:40.11 | alphaone | My SIM still has a PIN and I have to manually enter it via libgsm-tool |
| 09:40.33 | mickeyl | alphaone, stefan_schmidt and me are going to fix this on weekend |
| 09:40.39 | hrw | does gsm panel show signal level? |
| 09:40.50 | rwhitby | mickeyl: I have a gsmd log file if that helps |
| 09:40.56 | alphaone | Should more than one process be able to access GSM? i.e. dialer running and libgsm-tool? |
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| 09:41.02 | mickeyl | rwhitby: for sure, please mail it to me |
| 09:41.06 | alphaone | mickeyl: Yeah :-) |
| 09:41.16 | mickeyl | alphaone: yes, that's the idea of the gsmd |
| 09:41.30 | mickeyl | alphaone: although to make it really nice, we need this GObject abstraction |
| 09:41.48 | mickeyl | which i'm hopefully going to work on |
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| 09:42.41 | alphaone | Okay, something seems still wrong there. If I start up the phone and then start libgsmd-tool I never get an answer. |
| 09:42.46 | robtaylor | mickeyl: given any thought to a telepathy gsm backend? |
| 09:43.51 | mickeyl | not yet. In March I had virtually zero time to work on OM |
| 09:44.03 | alphaone | But maybe gsmd just gets confused since my card wants PIN entry |
| 09:44.03 | mickeyl | good news is that March is soon over |
| 09:44.15 | robtaylor | mickeyl: yeah :) |
| 09:44.26 | koen|lab | no need to think, just hire codethink and/or collabra :) |
| 09:44.45 | pH5 | alphaone: check the gsmd output. it is still quite easy to confuse it. |
| 09:44.55 | robtaylor | koen|lab: heh, thanks for the plug =) |
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| 09:45.52 | robtaylor | mickeyl: oh another thing you might find useful is me and robm have finally come up with concrete plans for making dbus-glib much more gobjecty |
| 09:46.00 | robtaylor | (and more like the qt dbus bindings) |
| 09:46.11 | mickeyl | this I find indeed helpful! |
| 09:46.18 | robtaylor | s/robm/Robot101/ |
| 09:46.25 | robtaylor | as he's on channel :) |
| 09:46.46 | rwhitby | mickeyl: gsmd log sent to your @om.org address. |
| 09:47.34 | mickeyl | rwhitby: thanks. |
| 09:47.48 | robtaylor | mickeyl: we'll be skething up the design on the dbus wiki, i'll ping you for your take when its up |
| 09:48.04 | mickeyl | robtaylor: excellent. thanks |
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| 09:48.51 | mickeyl | bbl tonite |
| 09:49.49 | t3rmin4t0r | I'm trying to run the openmoko r1444 qemu images |
| 09:50.43 | t3rmin4t0r | but somehow qemu totally fails to show a cursor in the calibrate screen |
| 09:52.52 | rwhitby | does "reboot" work for anyone using phase0 hardware and latest build? mine seems to hang as it's shutting down (can't see the screen, cause I'm controlling it remotely from 15km away) |
| 09:53.46 | rwhitby | hmm - I wonder if I remembered to reconnect the serial controlled relay to the reset button on the debug board ... |
| 09:54.15 | rwhitby | yes :-) |
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| 09:54.59 | rwhitby | so, anyone who can confirm a clean reboot (or lack thereof)? |
| 09:56.40 | rtp | rwhitby: ah. great. I'm not alone. I was thinking it was due to my custom kernel :/ |
| 09:57.51 | rwhitby | time to create an /etc/syslog.conf with destination file and see where it's hanging. |
| 09:58.54 | rwhitby | amarsh04: actually, I am working on that - I have a webcam connected to the nas100d which drives the debug board and slug usb interfaces, and am running webcam-server on it. I just need a way to mount it above the neo. |
| 09:59.44 | rwhitby | It's resolution is 640x480, so I just need precise optics to get a 1:1 image of the neo screen ;-) |
| 10:03.02 | amarsh04 | (-: |
| 10:04.38 | buz | actually, you probably want a toshiba libretto |
| 10:04.38 | buz | 7" with 1280x720 should come quite close |
| 10:04.38 | buz | (for easier development) |
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| 10:05.59 | rwhitby | ok, logging to file now, let's see what's hanging the reboot. |
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| 10:12.50 | rwhitby | Jan 1 00:02:29 fic-gta01 daemon.info init: /etc/inittab[56]: duplicate ID field "1" |
| 10:13.13 | rwhitby | nothing else before syslogd exits. |
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| 10:26.50 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Bootable_USB_device_emulation]] |
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| 11:14.16 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rob * r1549 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:14.17 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 2007-03-29 Rob Bradford <rob@openedhand.com> |
| 11:14.17 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * libmokoui/Makefile.am: |
| 11:14.17 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-dialog.c: (moko_dialog_get_property), |
| 11:14.17 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_dialog_set_property), (moko_dialog_dispose), |
| 11:14.19 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (moko_dialog_finalize), (moko_dialog_class_init), |
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| 11:22.50 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Bootable_USB_device_emulation]] |
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| 11:39.38 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, a day 00:20:22 (8.014 +-7.0 days) (668) |
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| 11:50.10 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1550 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (libmokoui/Makefile.am openmoko-libs.pc.in): * Install openmoko-libs headers into a proper prefix |
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| 12:00.04 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, a day 00:00:00 (8.000 +-7.0 days) |
| 12:00.19 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 23:59:45 (8.000 +-7.0 days) |
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| 12:00.57 | aloril | one more day and it starts reducing uncertainty |
| 12:01.59 | hrw | koen: openmoko distro is oabi or eabi? |
| 12:02.39 | hrw | oabi. |
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| 12:03.53 | empty_mind | guys, i see pyhton receipe in openembedded but when i try to get python prompt on qemu based build. Do i need to install python using ipkg or do i need to enable something while building ? |
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| 12:11.28 | hrw | need to install |
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| 12:17.50 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] |
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| 12:22.53 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 23:37:06 (7.984 +-7.0 days) (670) |
| 12:23.49 | quickdev | Does anyone know if there are some delays regarding the phone? |
| 12:23.56 | parag0n_ | probably |
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| 12:31.39 | jeddy3 | problably anyone knows, or probably there are delays? =) |
| 12:34.51 | parag0n_ | according to mickeyl's blog on the 24th, everything was running smoothly |
| 12:35.07 | parag0n_ | he said 'we will be shipping in 2 weeks' or something |
| 12:36.07 | CM | They were quick to announce the delays to P0 as soon as they knew about them |
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| 12:51.03 | Chapay | hi all |
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| 13:12.50 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] |
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| 14:02.30 | PBeck | hi |
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| 15:12.51 | init_alx | does "no changes to housing" mean adding a camera isn't feasible? |
| 15:13.35 | hrw | yes |
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| 15:15.44 | init_alx | :( |
| 15:16.19 | Stephmw | hack one up and use USB |
| 15:16.59 | init_alx | hahahaha |
| 15:17.01 | init_alx | i will |
| 15:17.02 | init_alx | XD |
| 15:17.13 | init_alx | which means our new feature will probably be wifi |
| 15:17.16 | init_alx | which will rule |
| 15:17.30 | SpeedEvil | My real problem with USB is the stupid connector. |
| 15:17.35 | SpeedEvil | For mobile use. |
| 15:17.39 | init_alx | yea |
| 15:17.42 | init_alx | falling out and such |
| 15:17.50 | init_alx | locking connector like rj45 would have been nice |
| 15:17.55 | SpeedEvil | More being easily damagable. |
| 15:17.58 | init_alx | ahh |
| 15:18.15 | init_alx | just use bluetooth ^_^ |
| 15:18.39 | Stephmw | init_alx: or hack the back cover to add it... depends on your usecase |
| 15:18.42 | init_alx | hahaha |
| 15:19.59 | init_alx | man i seriously can't wait |
| 15:21.51 | koen|lab | drat, the 1D only has firewire.... |
| 15:23.41 | sannes | aloril: can you find out how many unique users has run counter? |
| 15:26.57 | Stephmw | koen|lab: I didn't realise |
| 15:27.11 | Stephmw | koen|lab: and the 5D is too friggin expensive still |
| 15:27.30 | Stephmw | koen|lab: but I could dig a control app on the Neo for my 350D |
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| 15:28.52 | koen|lab | Stephmw: get a transistor or switch and trigger the shutter |
| 15:29.01 | koen|lab | the 'remote' protocol is really simple |
| 15:29.28 | koen|lab | 3 pins: GND, focus and shutter |
| 15:29.43 | Stephmw | I mean via USB... and actually control it via gphoto2 |
| 15:31.52 | hrw | cu |
| 15:35.18 | zecke | is there an alternative method to charge the neo? |
| 15:36.18 | prpplague | zecke: electodes into a potato work, but takes a really long time |
| 15:36.42 | zecke | prpplague: hehe |
| 15:40.09 | hrw|gone | zecke: its nokia bl-5c so you can buy external chargers. 3rdparty ones costs <2 eur (need nokia charger) |
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| 15:41.38 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 20:18:31 (7.846 +-7.0 days) (671,131) |
| 15:42.15 | aloril | sannes: see above (calls, unique nicks (not underscore reduced though)) |
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| 15:44.44 | zecke | hrw|gone: I tried to charge it in a nokia phone... |
| 15:45.11 | hrw|gone | bye |
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| 15:55.36 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03dodji * r1551 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ChangeLog: |
| 15:55.36 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Make TodayEventsArea update events that get modified in e-d-s. |
| 15:55.36 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * applications/openmoko-today/src/today-events-area.c: |
| 15:55.36 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Update the widget to show (in real time) modified |
| 15:55.36 | CIA-16 | openmoko: events/todo items. |
| 15:55.43 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03dodji * r1552 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:55.43 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Added the openmoko-libs/libmokojournal directory structure |
| 15:55.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/Makefile.am, openmoko-libs/configure.ac: declare |
| 15:55.46 | CIA-16 | openmoko: the new openmoko-libs/openmokojournal directory |
| 15:55.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/Makefile.am: added the new boilerplate |
| 15:55.50 | CIA-16 | openmoko: moko-journal.[c|h] files. |
| 15:55.52 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/moko-journal.c,h: added these new |
| 15:58.55 | TRIsoft | gtg cu |
| 16:00.02 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:context_based_to-do_list]] [[Main_Menu]] |
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| 16:00.37 | Elrond | Hi Dodji |
| 16:00.45 | Dodji | Elrond, hey hey |
| 16:01.06 | Stephmw | koen: that was quick :) |
| 16:01.24 | koen | Stephmw: I live ~500m from the uni |
| 16:02.08 | Stephmw | koen: sniff. I live a good hour from work |
| 16:03.11 | Elrond | counter |
| 16:03.11 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 19:56:48 (7.831 +-7.0 days) (672,131) |
| 16:03.53 | Elrond | In 20 hours, the counter will slow down by 50% I'm guessing. |
| 16:04.22 | Stephmw | isn't that Xeno's paradox? |
| 16:05.38 | Elrond | No, openmoko paradox ;o) |
| 16:06.44 | buz | whenever it takes 1hour time will slow down by 50% ;) |
| 16:06.48 | sannes | aloril: that wasn't there before right? :P looked through the page before realizing what you meant :D |
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| 16:17.18 | aloril | Elrond: yes, half of time is spent in reducing uncertainty |
| 16:17.34 | aloril | sannes: yeah, added it as response to your question |
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| 16:36.54 | cw666 | have there been further delays? |
| 16:39.28 | aloril | cw666: none that I know |
| 16:45.17 | init_alx | how big is the openmoko svn repository? |
| 16:45.27 | koen | 7! |
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| 16:47.43 | init_alx | 7 GB? |
| 16:49.18 | Rakshasa | 7 cubic centimeters. |
| 16:49.34 | init_alx | haha |
| 16:49.37 | init_alx | nowhere near that |
| 16:50.28 | Elrond | aloril - ;) |
| 16:50.35 | cw666 | for P1 system will debug boards be available? |
| 16:50.49 | cw666 | it wasn't clear from the wiki how you could order those and what the cost was |
| 16:51.25 | SpeedEvil | yes, $200 |
| 16:52.11 | Elrond | While I find $200 a lot for two ftdi chips... |
| 16:52.44 | koen | Elrond: chips, cable, battery, box |
| 16:52.54 | Elrond | koen - What battery? ;) |
| 16:53.05 | Elrond | What box? ;) |
| 16:53.25 | koen | the lunchbox |
| 16:53.41 | SpeedEvil | $200 is just the board |
| 16:53.47 | SpeedEvil | Isn't it? |
| 16:54.38 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 16:55.35 | Elrond | Hmm, the $200 probably includes two years warranty? ;o) |
| 16:56.15 | SpeedEvil | I'm not thinking I'm getting the debug board. |
| 16:56.38 | koen | SpeedEvil: no, the board is included in the lunchbox, which is $200 |
| 16:56.52 | Elrond | koen - What else is in the lunchbox? |
| 16:57.01 | SpeedEvil | A shoulder-strap! |
| 16:57.35 | SpeedEvil | board/battery/charger/fpc/cable |
| 16:57.48 | koen | neologics.pdf, page 42 |
| 16:57.49 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - For the "mobile {phone unbricking service}"? ;o) |
| 16:57.55 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_much.3F |
| 16:58.06 | koen | Hacker’s |
| 16:58.06 | koen | Lunchbox |
| 16:58.06 | koen | Development Board |
| 16:58.07 | koen | Battery |
| 16:58.07 | koen | Compact Charger for Development Board |
| 16:58.07 | koen | FPC |
| 16:58.09 | koen | Shoulder Strap |
| 16:58.11 | koen | USB A-B |
| 16:58.13 | koen | US$200 |
| 16:58.20 | Elrond | Huh. |
| 16:58.23 | SpeedEvil | $200 is included in the box? |
| 16:58.27 | SpeedEvil | Like a rebate? |
| 16:58.28 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 16:58.34 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Cool! |
| 16:58.45 | init_alx | lol |
| 16:58.46 | Elrond | The debug board v2 does not need a battery. So why the battery?! |
| 16:59.00 | init_alx | battery for the phone maybe? |
| 16:59.13 | Elrond | The phone already comes with battery I hope. |
| 16:59.14 | SpeedEvil | I'm hoping that I won't brick it - if I do, I might buy one. |
| 16:59.19 | SpeedEvil | spare |
| 16:59.20 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 16:59.39 | init_alx | you buying a v1 SpeedEvil? |
| 16:59.46 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 16:59.49 | init_alx | nice |
| 17:00.05 | SpeedEvil | I want it for helping with OSM more. |
| 17:00.12 | SpeedEvil | And working on [[expansion back]] |
| 17:00.32 | Elrond | Right, I want it for osm too. ;) |
| 17:01.43 | SpeedEvil | Where are you doing? |
| 17:02.35 | SpeedEvil | And hundreds of damn roundabouts. |
| 17:03.05 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Europe/Germany/hessen/near-Frankfurt (FFM) |
| 17:03.18 | SpeedEvil | Scotland. |
| 17:03.20 | init_alx | OSM sounds so cool |
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| 17:03.41 | SpeedEvil | I used to live 4 miles from the nearest road :) |
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| 17:04.24 | SpeedEvil | I wonder what would happen if the released phones went out with GPS tracelog uploading as a turn-offable option. |
| 17:04.54 | koen | angry people with big gprs bills |
| 17:04.59 | init_alx | hahahahaha |
| 17:05.16 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning setup so only sends on 'free' internet. |
| 17:05.21 | init_alx | lol |
| 17:05.42 | init_alx | a lot of media attention for a 'spyware' phone |
| 17:05.46 | init_alx | speaking of that |
| 17:05.57 | init_alx | openmoko should have some sort of security system, no/ |
| 17:06.09 | init_alx | like, regulate access to GPS, GPRS, etc |
| 17:06.32 | SpeedEvil | IMO - put it in big letters. "do you want to help with mapping the world" and anonymise and delay by several weeks the tracklogs. |
| 17:06.57 | SpeedEvil | No, it's not perfect, but lots of tracklogs helps. |
| 17:07.21 | SpeedEvil | Even if they don't upload points. |
| 17:07.27 | SpeedEvil | err - names |
| 17:07.33 | koen | eeew |
| 17:07.42 | koen | my phone was just FOTA'd |
| 17:15.46 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1553 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/libmokoui/ (moko-dialog.c moko-dialog.h): |
| 17:15.46 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokoui/moko-dialog.c: |
| 17:15.46 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokoui/moko-dialog.h: |
| 17:15.46 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - Expose more API in the header |
| 17:15.46 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - Move button box to the top of the window |
| 17:15.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - Ensure correct styling is applied to dialog buttons |
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| 17:25.52 | helb | counter |
| 17:25.52 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 18:34:07 (7.774 +-7.0 days) (673,131) |
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| 17:50.02 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Bootable_USB_device_emulation]] [[FAQ]] |
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| 18:02.02 | MortenLysgaard | Hi =) |
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| 18:27.10 | hrw | Dodji_: go out, get some chicks instead of sitting all day with computer |
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| 18:49.40 | balrog-kun | how do you launch a terminal? |
| 18:49.52 | SpeedEvil | A CRTapult. |
| 18:50.40 | balrog-kun | it's an LCD ;) |
| 18:51.42 | Dodji_ | hrw, :-) |
| 18:52.11 | balrog-kun | i can't seem to find any way to launch the rxvt and there's no getty's on serials anymore |
| 18:52.59 | hrw | balrog-kun: connect via usbnet and create .desktop file for rxvt |
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| 18:53.45 | balrog-kun | ouch |
| 18:54.09 | hrw | under angstrom I just install gpe-terminal :D |
| 18:54.38 | balrog-kun | but you need a console first so you can use ipkg :P |
| 18:54.40 | hrw | cu all |
| 18:56.46 | buz | anybody got a thinkpad t60? |
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| 19:10.40 | buz | i'm wondering if people will shut up when we get wifi |
| 19:10.57 | buz | or then start pestering about 11n |
| 19:11.28 | SpeedEvil | wi-hype |
| 19:11.53 | buz | neo is doomed without 11n |
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| 19:16.09 | Elrond | What's 11n? |
| 19:18.18 | loufoque | elevenization |
| 19:18.37 | pH5 | 802.11n |
| 19:19.42 | Clint | turn it up to 11 |
| 19:21.08 | Elrond | pH5 - Hi! |
| 19:21.36 | loufoque | it's the process of turning japanese people into elevens, hence stripping them of their nationality and just identifying them by numbers |
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| 19:23.08 | Vegar | pH5: was it you that were running freeciv on your neo? |
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| 19:23.42 | Elrond | Vegar - Yes, he was it. And I like that. :) |
| 19:24.01 | Vegar | was it playable? |
| 19:25.12 | pH5 | Vegar: sure, I expect with a big map the computer turns get a bit slow after a while, but it's perfectly playable. |
| 19:25.37 | Vegar | cool |
| 19:25.59 | Vegar | how would chat work? |
| 19:26.12 | Vegar | (noting the fact that there's no keyboard) |
| 19:26.25 | pH5 | Vegar: voice chat via gsm ;) |
| 19:26.40 | Elrond | Vegar - Using on-screen keyboard? ;o) |
| 19:27.08 | Vegar | Elrond: wouldn't that take up much of the screen? |
| 19:27.16 | Vegar | or is it transparent and can sit on top of other apps? |
| 19:28.08 | Elrond | I think, it can be enabled / disabled at need. |
| 19:29.23 | Elrond | pH5 - Looking at your battery testing pages: Did you try some battery lifetime tests? Like "with cpu in idle, backlight on", etc? |
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| 19:31.40 | pH5 | Elrond: on my p0 the discharge time averages around 20000 seconds with backlight at full brightness and cpu idle at 200MHz (but reading battvolt values and writing them to mmc every 10 seconds). |
| 19:31.49 | pH5 | I didn't measure for other conditions than that. |
| 19:32.59 | Vegar | 5.5 hours.. |
| 19:34.15 | pH5 | Vegar: that's in no way indicative for normal use. on the one hand you won't use full display brightness all the time and we'll get cpufreq scaling, on the other hand I didn't have the GPS/GSM/bluetooth chips enabled. |
| 19:35.07 | Vegar | so P1 will do more? |
| 19:35.31 | thomasg_ | pH5, but 4 hours using phone functionality should be realistic, wouldnt it? |
| 19:39.02 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Uplinked]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Neo1973/de]] [[Neo1973]] |
| 19:41.28 | pH5 | Vegar, thomasg_: I would expect so. look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Power_Management#Approximate_power_draw_of_various_subsystems and estimate :) |
| 19:42.22 | Elrond | pH5 - Can you put your 20ksec number somewhere near that? Or on the p0 review page? |
| 19:42.28 | thomasg_ | in p0 the display and backlight is always on during doing a call, correct? |
| 19:43.57 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1554 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/examples/openmoko-dialog-demo/ (. Makefile moko-dialog-test.c): * Add an example program to test MokoDialog |
| 19:44.07 | pH5 | thomasg_: afaik yes. I didn't use it for calls much, though. |
| 19:44.10 | pH5 | Elrond: will do |
| 19:44.11 | thomasg_ | hehe |
| 19:45.09 | thomasg_ | well, it would save much energy to turn the display of when making a call. a sensor like it will be in the apple hypePhone would be good |
| 19:46.49 | thomasg_ | but it would be enough if the display turns off automatically 5 secs after starting a call and turns on on touch |
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| 19:47.49 | Elrond | I wonder, how we can make the first touch only turn on the backlight, but not count as a click. |
| 19:48.21 | pH5 | Elrond: screensaver |
| 19:48.42 | Elrond | Ahh. :-) |
| 19:48.58 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1555 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (4 files): |
| 19:48.58 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * split smdk2440 patch into s3c2440 and smdk2440 related part |
| 19:48.59 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * implement 2K page size nand steppingstone (untested) |
| 19:49.05 | Elrond | I am completely ignorant on the screensaver ear ;) |
| 19:49.34 | Elrond | But it's the right thing. It can turn of the backlight, turn of the lcd, and sleep until clicked. |
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| 19:50.41 | Elrond | Hi balrog-k1n |
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| 19:51.22 | buz | so that's the cpu we'll get |
| 19:51.26 | buz | niiiice |
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| 19:51.44 | thomasg_ | I'm really looking forward to get a p1 device, though I'm not a programmer :) |
| 19:52.23 | buz | counter |
| 19:52.23 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 16:07:36 (7.672 +-7.0 days) (674,131) |
| 19:52.36 | thomasg_ | dont want to wait any longer :) |
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| 19:53.21 | buz | well faster cpu and very likely WiFi |
| 19:53.21 | buz | ormight buy both |
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| 19:53.38 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1556 10/trunk/oe/packages/uboot/uboot-gta01_svn.bb: add hxd8 and smdk2440 to list of u-boot builds |
| 19:54.03 | thomasg_ | in comparison to the most windows mobile phones the cpu seems weak, but I really think the software can compensate the lack of power :) |
| 19:55.00 | buz | htc uses quite a lot of s3c2440 i think |
| 19:55.25 | thomasg_ | imho the biggest limitation is the lack of some hardware keys |
| 19:55.31 | buz | yeah |
| 19:55.35 | buz | some more wouldnt hurt |
| 19:56.00 | MortenLysgaard | Thomasg: Yes, The neo aint the most beefy phone, but who cares, when it will have a gps, not be locked down, possibly wifi and a super community making all the apps you'd ever wonder |
| 19:56.01 | thomasg_ | yes, 4 softkeys would be definately great |
| 19:56.37 | koen | actually the neo1973 was designed to keep the costs down and demo the software |
| 19:56.42 | thomasg_ | MortenLysgaard, I do not buy the neo because its the best phone on the market. I'll buy it, because its the freest phone on the market :) |
| 19:56.54 | pH5 | I think missing keys can be counterbalanced by a well thought-out ui much more easily than the missing cpu power. |
| 19:57.22 | koen | ipkg install cpu-boost ramdefrag |
| 19:57.25 | thomasg_ | well, maybe in phase2 we can get "multitouch" :) |
| 19:57.31 | buz | no |
| 19:57.33 | MortenLysgaard | tho |
| 19:57.34 | buz | but maybe in 2008 |
| 19:57.40 | MortenLysgaard | thomasg_ |
| 19:57.54 | MortenLysgaard | Sorry |
| 19:58.05 | zecke | thomasg_: even today you are are free to touch(1) as often as you want |
| 19:58.27 | pH5 | it's quite annoying to switch between a 624MHz PXA with QVGA screen and a 266MHz Samsung with VGA. Always something to complain :) |
| 19:58.36 | MortenLysgaard | thomasg: that's it, th moko spirit =D |
| 19:58.36 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1557 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-hxd8.patch: HXD8 has sdram parameters similar to GTA01 (10bit) |
| 19:58.46 | koen | pH5: X-forwarding! |
| 19:59.07 | koen | pH5: i used to forward all apps from h5550 to c700 |
| 19:59.08 | pH5 | ah right, and the magician doesn't have bluetooth 2.0 |
| 19:59.12 | thomasg_ | and there is some more I am missing in the neo: EDGE/EGPRS |
| 19:59.20 | zecke | LaF0rge: ping (I will be around around a bit) |
| 19:59.21 | thomasg_ | it definately would be the best device if it had EDGE |
| 19:59.33 | pH5 | maybe with a mini-usb to mini-usb cable I can plug them both together. |
| 20:00.28 | nibbler_de | thomasg_: the problem with edge is that it doesn't give you better rtts or jitter, also only few networks deploy it unfortunately |
| 20:00.40 | MortenLysgaard | thomasg_ : Well, then you are a licky one, here in Norway, where i live, the gprs prices are horrific, cant even toutch a webpage without paying 3-4 euros |
| 20:02.27 | thomasg_ | -.- |
| 20:02.34 | thomasg_ | in germany it is very expensive, too |
| 20:03.00 | thomasg_ | but for 5€ per month you can check your mails daily and surf to google, check for prices, tickets, ... |
| 20:03.01 | MortenLysgaard | Why you want to use it then? |
| 20:03.15 | thomasg_ | well, for me its free :) |
| 20:03.28 | MortenLysgaard | What? |
| 20:03.43 | thomasg_ | my employer pays my phone bills |
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| 20:04.27 | thomasg_ | theres also one provider in germany who has an gprs/umts flatrate for about 60 € per month |
| 20:04.29 | MortenLysgaard | You lucky bastard :P As a poor student i don't have a penny to spare :S |
| 20:04.49 | thomasg_ | hehe |
| 20:04.59 | stefan_schmidt | thomasg_: 25 Eur at BASE |
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| 20:05.20 | thomasg_ | stefan_schmidt, + 25 for phone flat, correct? |
| 20:05.39 | thomasg_ | so 50 per month, but inter-provider calls/sms and gprs/umts for free |
| 20:05.48 | stefan_schmidt | thomasg_: Yes. So you refer with your price not only to UMTS flat. |
| 20:06.00 | thomasg_ | k |
| 20:06.11 | thomasg_ | didnt know the exact price |
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| 20:06.32 | woglinde | counter |
| 20:06.33 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 15:53:27 (7.662 +-7.0 days) (675,131) |
| 20:06.37 | stefan_schmidt | thomasg_: 25 + 25 atm. There where times with 20 +20 |
| 20:07.03 | thomasg_ | well, we'll see how long until aldi buys e-plus :) |
| 20:07.18 | woglinde | *g* |
| 20:07.24 | woglinde | they dont |
| 20:07.28 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 20:07.41 | thomasg_ | well, your right woglinde aldi wont. but maybe some others :) |
| 20:08.33 | thomasg_ | since e-plus sold their infrastructure to alcatel/lucent they shouldnt be very expensive. |
| 20:09.08 | thomasg_ | but it doesnt matter: in 2009 there will be only 2 providers in germany |
| 20:09.38 | thomasg_ | or better: 2 carriers and 20 providers |
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| 20:20.16 | ebel | a week +/- a week. So we might already have one. :) |
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| 20:27.18 | koen | rwhitby: judging from uboot patches a s3c2410 phone with gps |
| 20:27.27 | koen | made by FIC |
| 20:27.36 | balrog-k1n | hiya Elrond |
| 20:27.40 | balrog-k1n | sorry, was away |
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| 20:28.42 | rwhitby | koen: wonder if the "X" alludes to i.MX ... |
| 20:28.54 | koen | rwhitby: not according to the uboot patches..... |
| 20:29.01 | rwhitby | oh, right. |
| 20:29.31 | rwhitby | oh, I see now - it's just an internal identifier (GTA01->HXD8) |
| 20:29.51 | buz | but there have been s3c2440 patches |
| 20:29.57 | koen | hxd8_config:unconfig |
| 20:29.57 | koen | +@$(MKCONFIG) $(@:_config=) arm arm920t hxd8 NULL s3c24x0 |
| 20:30.10 | koen | buz: patches for the smdk2440 board |
| 20:30.20 | koen | I suspect the cpu upgrade will be a 2440 |
| 20:30.26 | koen | rwhitby: i.mx would be nice, though |
| 20:30.27 | buz | exactly |
| 20:30.36 | buz | imx would be nearly killer |
| 20:30.57 | buz | imx+qwerty+cam would be ;) |
| 20:31.09 | koen | http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-hxd8.patch?rev=1557&view=auto |
| 20:31.20 | koen | screw qwerty |
| 20:31.36 | koen | If I want qwerty, I'll get a BT keyboard |
| 20:33.54 | buz | and a webcam for cam ;) |
| 20:34.02 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973/de]] |
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| 20:35.43 | rwhitby | hxd8 seems to be smdk2410 board, running at up to 400MHz, with 128MB ram, 640x480 screen. |
| 20:36.03 | rwhitby | perhaps this is v1+ hardware refresh |
| 20:37.30 | thomasg_ | 400mhz sounds good |
| 20:37.41 | koen | rwhitby: that's very likely |
| 20:37.55 | buz | mhh s3c2440 can run at upto 533 |
| 20:38.05 | buz | (but that probably sucks too much battery) |
| 20:38.45 | thomasg_ | well, it mostly will run at a much lower frequency |
| 20:38.58 | thomasg_ | but having the power if necessary is cool. |
| 20:39.33 | rwhitby | heh - having access to the internal commit logs is *much* easier than looking for FCC filings :-) |
| 20:39.49 | rwhitby | (for getting details of new hardware) |
| 20:41.36 | zecke_ | mickey|hri: g_date_compare(innere_uhr, g_date_new_dmy(BAD_DAY,BAD_MONTH,BAD_YEAR)); gotta love glib |
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| 21:11.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1558 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (hxd8-core.patch s3c2410_fb-truecolor.patch series): |
| 21:11.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * add support for the HXD8 hardware |
| 21:11.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * add a patch that supposedly should add 24bpp support to s3c2410 fb, but which is still broken |
| 21:11.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (patch is not activated in 'series' yet) |
| 21:12.54 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1559 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/defconfig-2.6.20.2-fic-gta01: statically enable led driver |
| 21:14.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1560 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01_2.6.20.2.bb: add vibrator.patch |
| 21:14.40 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1561 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/gta01-vibrator.patch: add vibrator patch |
| 21:15.06 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1562 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add defconfig and recipe for 2.6.20.3 and 2.6.20.4 |
| 21:15.18 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1563 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/gta01-kernel_2.6.bb: update to 2.6.20.4 |
| 21:16.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1564 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/defconfig-2.6.20.4-fic-gta01: add HXD8 support to defconfig |
| 21:17.51 | guaqua | mickey is on the roll |
| 21:21.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1565 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/defconfig-2.6.20.4-fic-gta01: * add smdk2440 support |
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| 21:25.14 | Mandarino | Hiz! |
| 21:25.16 | Mandarino | counter |
| 21:25.16 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 14:34:43 (7.607 +-7.0 days) (676,131) |
| 21:25.25 | Mandarino | a week! |
| 21:27.45 | woglinde | yes |
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| 21:30.06 | zecke_ | mickey|hri: portmap failed again, it is time to put a md5sum in the SRC_URI. uboot fails to do_install |
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| 21:53.27 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 22:03.57 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1566 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/ (6 files): oe/linux: add linux-gta01.inc and simplify concrete recipes |
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| 22:24.02 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Wishlist:context_based_to-do_list]] [[Calendar]] |
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| 22:38.46 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, the Mobile Developer Days 2007 looks interesting. Especially to show companies the FOSS view of it. |
| 22:41.15 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Have you started to look at osm apps on the neo yet? |
| 22:41.56 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Not yet, no time. Hacking kernel all day. Sorry. :( |
| 22:42.50 | Elrond | Okay. Any progress on the g_serial thingy? |
| 22:42.51 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Once the images get more stable and we have gps I definitly take a look. |
| 22:42.56 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: I stopped g_serial for now. Working on fb, LCM and usb power configs right now. |
| 22:43.15 | Elrond | Ahh. :-)) power configs are good. :) |
| 22:43.34 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: As usb power configs, #260, should be mostly fixed now. Back to fb. |
| 22:44.07 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - I tried to split maemo-mapper.c into some parts, but that's heavy stuff. Everything depends on everything it seems. I'll pribably send -- what I have -- as a bug/patch upstream and see, what's going to happen about it. |
| 22:45.07 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: You mean to split function and toolkit/GUI? Would be nice to have maemo-mapper. Especially with OSM support. |
| 22:45.53 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - maemo-mapper currently is one (in letters: O N E) 455k big .c file. I have no idea, how they can maintain that. |
| 22:46.26 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: ouch. Sometimes we should not take a look at apps that work. ;) |
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| 22:46.41 | Elrond | Hi pavelm! :) |
| 22:47.28 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Yep. I have stopped looking at many projects for that reasons. And a few I don't use exactly for that reason. |
| 22:48.10 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: That's why I stopped using mplayer. Just grep in it for FIXME/F**K/HACK :) |
| 22:48.34 | Elrond | hehe. :-) |
| 22:48.51 | pavelm | Hi, Elrond |
| 22:49.20 | pavelm | stefan: You probably should stop using linux ;-) |
| 22:49.47 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: Right. :) |
| 22:50.11 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: Would be funny to have a FIXME/HACK vs. LOC ratio. :) |
| 22:51.04 | pavelm | stefan: Well, some people are just more honest than others :-) |
| 22:51.06 | Elrond | hihi :-) |
| 22:51.27 | Elrond | pavelm - And a few even write useful code. :) |
| 22:51.45 | pavelm | I remember "lp0: on fire" message actually printed to users. It scared few people :-) |
| 22:51.55 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 22:51.56 | pavelm | Anyway, is there something new? |
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| 22:52.07 | pavelm | ...like binary packages I could use to make openmoko call? |
| 22:52.21 | Elrond | pavelm - Except us talking behind your back about phone-tui? ;o) |
| 22:52.34 | stefan_schmidt | It's always a dance between hacker fun and user experience. :) |
| 22:52.44 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 22:52.45 | pavelm | Elrond :-) |
| 22:53.03 | pavelm | Elrond: actually rxvt has some features (built-in-menu-support) that probably could be used to make tui/mutt usable. |
| 22:53.18 | pavelm | ...just user experience will be ... ugly. |
| 22:53.19 | Elrond | :-) |
| 22:53.23 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: Have you tried the latest openmoko-devel-image jffs2? |
| 22:53.35 | pavelm | stefan: No, where can I find it? |
| 22:53.42 | Elrond | pavelm - Does phone-tui work on the neo? Except of course the "user experience"? |
| 22:53.44 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: I know they work a lot on calling in the default image |
| 22:53.57 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: On the buildhost. moment |
| 22:54.25 | pavelm | stefan: Actually .tar.gz would be prefered. I don't know how to flash the moko, yet... booting from sd card works just fine. |
| 22:54.58 | rtp | pavelm: look for dfu-util in the wiki :) |
| 22:55.33 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: You can find all the stuff here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ |
| 22:55.44 | pavelm | rtp; Yes, I can probably learn to flash. I'd just prefer not to brick my moko, yet. |
| 22:55.46 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: jffs, tar.gz, kernel... |
| 22:56.06 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: You can falsh all but uboot without risk |
| 22:56.39 | Elrond | Assuming your u-boot can be made to boot into the usb-console. :) |
| 22:56.45 | pavelm | I guess 03.27 versions are prefered. |
| 22:57.13 | pavelm | Eh, openmoo allows you to lock improperly inserted sim card, and to lock improperly inserted sd card. |
| 22:57.16 | pavelm | ...that should be fixed. |
| 22:57.22 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: Always the latest. Dev life is bleeding edge. ;) |
| 22:58.02 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: The sim/sd card holder is a mess. Needs to be replaced completly IMHO |
| 22:58.41 | Elrond | Has anyone filed a bug for that / posted to some ML / posted to Sean? |
| 22:59.17 | pavelm | (not me) |
| 22:59.55 | Moo^ | pavelm: openmoo, eh? I didn't know I was open source... |
| 23:00.14 | Elrond | Moo^ - We opensourced your dna yesterday ;o) |
| 23:00.51 | pavelm | Moo^: and I'm preparing a patch, so be sure to backup yourself. |
| 23:02.35 | Moo^ | Moo 1.01 - now with more McSauce! |
| 23:02.47 | Elrond | ;o) |
| 23:04.38 | pavelm | moo^: actually I guess DnA is opensource by default; at least copyright holder is not anywhere near :-) |
| 23:04.38 | pavelm | moo^: actually human dna is about one cd. |
| 23:04.42 | Elrond | Hmm, so the bv04 probably also has the weak sd/sim holders... |
| 23:07.12 | Moo^ | pavelm: sorry to tear your dream to pieces, but at least *my* DNA contains patented sequences! |
| 23:07.31 | Moo^ | pavelm: compressed? no more? I really don't believe it. |
| 23:08.06 | pavelm | Moo^: So you need to move out of US. |
| 23:08.31 | Moo^ | well, I am in Finland already ;) |
| 23:08.32 | pavelm | Moo^ compressed, IIRC. |
| 23:08.58 | pavelm | Moo^: It is available for download somewhere. Of course, _your_ dDNA will be slightly different, but... |
| 23:08.59 | Moo^ | you need just two bits to present all four DNA nucleoacids |
| 23:09.04 | Moo^ | but I still don't believe it |
| 23:09.15 | Moo^ | wikipedia, enlight me |
| 23:13.43 | pavelm | should I file the bugzilla for crappy simcard/minisd card holder? |
| 23:15.04 | pavelm | Moo^: What does wikipedia say? |
| 23:19.16 | Elrond | pavelm - If there is no bugzilla for it: Yes, please. |
| 23:20.25 | Elrond | pavelm - Or first ask on the community-ML maybe. :) |
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| 23:21.24 | Moo^ | Wikipedia needs a wikipedian to add this crucial piece of info |
| 23:21.43 | pavelm | elrond: I'm not subscribed to any list :-( |
| 23:22.16 | Elrond | pavelm - Huh. :-) |
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| 23:22.50 | pavelm | elrond: I'm on way too many lists already :-( |
| 23:23.22 | Elrond | pavelm - Oh, I know, what you mean. :-) |
| 23:24.24 | Elrond | Hmm, there's no generic hardware sub-category in the neo hardware cat... |
| 23:24.29 | Elrond | (I mean bugzilla) |
| 23:25.19 | zecke_ | nite |
| 23:25.31 | Elrond | Night zecke_ |
| 23:25.38 | pavelm | elrond: i just filed it into gsm modem... bug 329. |
| 23:25.46 | Elrond | pavelm - :-) |
| 23:29.01 | Elrond | pavelm - http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=312 |
| 23:30.07 | pavelm | Moo^: Human genome is at http://hgdownload.cse.ucsc.edu/goldenPath/hg18/bigZips/ . |
| 23:30.15 | pavelm | Moo^: feel free to update wikipedia. |
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| 23:39.27 | pavelm | stefan: wow, new version seems almost usable :-) |
| 23:39.52 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: exactly. :) We are going forward to P1. :) |
| 23:40.15 | pavelm | stefan: I can do a call... but what do I have to do to hear anything? |
| 23:41.13 | stefan_schmidt | alsa settings? Same as you need for tui. :) |
| 23:41.27 | Elrond | "Please also note that for GTA02 we will need translucent plastic with a light guide" ... Hmmm... ;) |
| 23:41.52 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: heh, you find everthing, right? ;) |
| 23:42.05 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Yeah, of course. :) |
| 23:42.12 | Elrond | You guys can't hide. ;-) |
| 23:42.14 | pavelm | I tried calling w/o the headset, and that failed. |
| 23:42.27 | pavelm | translucent plastic with a light guide? |
| 23:42.48 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Especially not if we put it in the public bugzilla. :) |
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| 23:43.29 | Elrond | pavelm - I have no idea, what a "light guide" is. |
| 23:43.41 | stefan_schmidt | ATM I know nothing about it. Just that alphaone suggested some fancy LED stuff for the case to sean at FOSDEM. |
| 23:43.46 | pavelm | stefan: It would be nice if rxvt was startable from menu... with keyboard applet on top, I actually could run that alsamixer manually. |
| 23:43.54 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Well, your fault. ;) |
| 23:43.55 | pavelm | elrond: which bug? |
| 23:44.23 | Elrond | pavelm - #300 (nice bug id heh) |
| 23:44.59 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: I think we need a desktop file for it. Just ping alphaone or mickey|hri. |
| 23:45.07 | init_alx | not as good as bug #666 or #1337 |
| 23:45.12 | Elrond | pavelm - Comment #8. |
| 23:45.22 | init_alx | when we get to them |
| 23:45.59 | stefan_schmidt | init_alx: 666 for sure |
| 23:46.20 | stefan_schmidt | init_alx: 1337 also. It's a long term project |
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| 23:47.40 | init_alx | stefan_schmidt: :) |
| 23:47.55 | pavelm | They probably want to put led under the AUX button. |
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| 23:48.21 | Elrond | Yep. |
| 23:48.58 | pavelm | No, I'm not able to do outgoing call. |
| 23:49.05 | pavelm | ...it says calling, but I can't hear anything. |
| 23:49.45 | Elrond | Is the other side ringing? |
| 23:50.28 | pavelm | elrond: Good question. I was calling 800-number. |
| 23:50.34 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: hmm, no idea. Saturday alphaone, mickey|hri and me has a session to get it all in place. The image should be ready out-of-the-box afterwards. |
| 23:51.36 | Elrond | pavelm - In 12 hours I'm in my office, you can then call me there. ;o) (I promise not to take the call. :-) ) |
| 23:51.51 | pavelm | stefan: it looks way better than it did before, anyway. Thanks; I'll play a bit more. |
| 23:52.02 | pavelm | elrond: That's okay, I have enough numbers to play with. |
| 23:52.56 | stefan_schmidt | anyway, time to sleep. night all |
| 23:52.57 | Elrond | pavelm - I was mostly joking. :) |
| 23:53.06 | Elrond | Night stefan_schmidt :) |
| 23:54.18 | pavelm | Good night! |
| 23:57.06 | init_alx | night stefan_schmidt |
| 23:57.13 | Elrond | Looking only at the sd/sim holder and button bugs, I guess, I want a v05. ;o) |
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