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| 00:05.48 | rwhitby | Dodj|gone: pong |
| 00:05.50 | rwhitby | morning all |
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| 00:24.41 | philippe | hmm seems OE goes insane on the openmoko-rssfeedreader bb |
| 00:24.46 | philippe | openmoko-rssreader-0.0.1+svn20060814-r0 ??? |
| 00:26.29 | philippe | ${SRCDATE} is only wrong on this one |
| 00:35.09 | CoreDump|home | its SRCDATE isn't pre-set to "now" by the looks of it. It's using the default SRCDATE in any case |
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| 00:38.56 | philippe | CoreDump|home: hmmm, the thing is that it works for others... |
| 00:39.14 | CoreDump|home | it has to be set for each single bb file ;) |
| 00:39.42 | philippe | CoreDump|home: you happen to know where? |
| 00:39.57 | CoreDump|home | hold on |
| 00:40.41 | CoreDump|home | distro/include/preferred-openmoko-versions.inc |
| 00:40.41 | rwhitby | in /home/moko/oe/conf/distro/include/preferred-openmoko-versions.inc |
| 00:40.47 | rwhitby | snap |
| 00:40.48 | CoreDump|home | ;) |
| 00:40.54 | philippe | CoreDump|home: ok. Thank you! |
| 00:41.01 | philippe | rwhitby: thank you too! |
| 00:41.25 | rwhitby | so do we just need that set to "now"? I can do that in a mokomakefile patch for the moment .. |
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| 00:41.36 | prom | wtf. does anyone here know why the build process creates files with 0000 permissions!? |
| 00:41.59 | prom | to be more exact, quilt does. |
| 00:43.06 | philippe | rwhitby: well it is not in the default build |
| 00:43.26 | philippe | I have been adding apps to test them out in the openmoko tasks. |
| 00:50.13 | prom | *sigh* on .pc file permissions in quilt, for those interested: http://www.mail-archive.com/quilt-dev@nongnu.org/msg01090.html |
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| 01:14.20 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] |
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| 01:56.36 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1515 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/ (openmoko-panel-mainmenu.c stylusmenu.c stylusmenu.h): fix popup menu position calculate function |
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| 02:17.13 | *** topic/#openmoko is OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> {www|wiki|bugzilla|planet|projects|lists|svn|svnweb } .openmoko.org | You can buy it around the end of this month for $350, see the wiki. Mass market in September. |
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| 02:57.21 | jipi | counter |
| 02:57.21 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 09:02:38 (10.377 +-7.0 days) (641) |
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| 03:51.53 | cw666 | aloril: help |
| 03:53.04 | rwhitby | aloril is only semi-bot |
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| 04:07.56 | aloril | hmm... |
| 04:11.57 | aloril | help |
| 04:11.57 | aloril | Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (link to FAQ in wiki) |
| 04:16.10 | aloril | (prefixing with aloril: works too usual) |
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| 05:20.22 | sumasuma | hi, the initial compilation of the openmoko development image is done |
| 05:20.36 | sumasuma | can anyone please let me know how can i add my applications to openmoko ? |
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| 05:59.02 | Mandarino | Hi ppl! |
| 05:59.03 | Mandarino | counter |
| 05:59.04 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 06:00:56 (10.251 +-7.0 days) (642) |
| 05:59.32 | sumasuma | hi |
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| 06:21.07 | Any_Key | Good morning to all in eastern hemisphere and good "don't know what" to others. |
| 06:21.24 | sumasuma | good afternoon |
| 06:23.23 | Any_Key | japan? |
| 06:24.15 | tigert | its always "good morning" when you join |
| 06:24.39 | sumasuma | Singapore ! |
| 06:25.13 | sumasuma | tigert: join in a channel or converstation ? |
| 06:25.54 | Any_Key | ohooho in singapore you hade 1G internet plan. |
| 06:27.09 | Any_Key | tigert, it always good, but morning? |
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| 06:29.04 | sumasuma | 1G internet plan through mobile ? |
| 06:29.07 | Any_Key | funny, I'v forgotten to unmount /dev from rootfs & night build failed. have to rebuild now |
| 06:29.26 | Any_Key | sumasuma, no Ethernet |
| 06:29.53 | sumasuma | Any_Key: yes, they have all funny plans over here ! |
| 06:30.16 | Any_Key | OMG I'v imagined 1G plan trough mobile! |
| 06:30.36 | CM | ~ugt |
| 06:30.38 | apt | from memory, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 06:31.03 | sumasuma | 1G plan yes available, don't know what to do with that ! :( |
| 06:31.04 | CM | So morning everyone ;) |
| 06:31.29 | Any_Key | morning |
| 06:31.53 | Any_Key | sumasuma, I dunno filesharing? |
| 06:33.16 | sumasuma | Any_Key: Doing file sharing for the past 4 years, with open source to someextent is good. How does that benefit me? |
| 06:33.22 | Any_Key | sumasuma, wait to Internet sites to open before you clicked on link? |
| 06:34.19 | sumasuma | Any_Key: for the speed which we browse 512kbps is too high. May be movies acceptable, but the connections on the server end is not as much as the speed we have |
| 06:35.25 | sumasuma | I use videophone still full BW is not used, let us change our discussion to openmoko :) |
| 06:35.35 | Any_Key | I'v just was exited about opportunity don't really know what to do with such a plan, the only thing that comes to my mind is VOD |
| 06:35.41 | Any_Key | sumasuma, yep |
| 06:36.32 | Any_Key | sumasuma, openmoko is much better topic |
| 06:37.31 | sumasuma | How to add new applications to openmoko ? |
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| 06:39.48 | rwhitby | Dodji: ping |
| 06:41.20 | Dodji | rwhitby, hello. Sorry for yesterday. I was struggling to compile omoko with the mokomakefile and was looking for help |
| 06:41.37 | Dodji | rwhitby, I have it compiled now. Thank you for the mokomakefile :-) |
| 06:42.11 | sumasuma | rwhitby: i faced problems with svn before, i did svn update manually and it got fine |
| 06:43.53 | rwhitby | Dodji: ok, great. |
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| 07:41.49 | WiggleCat | counter |
| 07:41.50 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 04:18:09 (10.179 +-7.0 days) (643) |
| 07:42.30 | ewanm89 | tick, tock, tick, tock |
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| 08:20.21 | xkr47 | counter |
| 08:20.21 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 03:39:38 (10.153 +-7.0 days) (644) |
| 08:20.46 | xkr47 | in 3 weeks it's my birthday, hmm hmm hmm :) |
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| 08:27.10 | hrw | next phone (that after neo1973) will have led |
| 08:27.15 | hrw | ;D |
| 08:27.17 | hrw | morning |
| 08:27.50 | xkr47 | a led that blinks every 5 secs? |
| 08:27.54 | xkr47 | :) |
| 08:27.59 | xkr47 | morning |
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| 08:30.15 | hrw | xkr47: openmoko bug 300 |
| 08:30.56 | CM | !ombug 300 |
| 08:30.57 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 300, Status: ASSIGNED, Created: Unknown |
| 08:30.58 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko(AT)hrw.one.pl: Mechanical quality of Power button and AUX button |
| 08:30.59 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=300 |
| 08:33.54 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03alex_tang * r1516 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/ (17 files in 2 dirs): Add contact window to choose contacts. |
| 08:38.50 | hrw | my post about wifi in neo hit one of bigger Polish linux news sites ;D |
| 08:39.37 | hrw | will have to write more about it |
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| 08:46.01 | TRIsoft | morning |
| 08:46.30 | hrw | oi Mac |
| 08:46.43 | TRIsoft | waves to hrw |
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| 08:49.18 | ping_tu | i meet this question, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-March/004534.html |
| 08:49.55 | ping_tu | do this solve |
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| 08:59.11 | modzilla | how is the GSM modem interfaced with a connected Desktop ? |
| 08:59.11 | aloril | modzilla: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 08:59.53 | ping_tu | ERROR: Error in executing: |
| 08:59.54 | ping_tu | > /home/go/Projects/openmoko/openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-directfb_2.10.9.bb |
| 08:59.54 | ping_tu | > ERROR: Exception:exceptions.IOError Message:[Errno 2] No such file or |
| 08:59.54 | ping_tu | > directory: |
| 08:59.54 | ping_tu | > '/home/go/Projects/openmoko/openembedded/packages/gtk+/files/./no-xwc.patch' |
| 09:00.04 | ping_tu | anyone know why? |
| 09:00.22 | hrw | argh |
| 09:01.35 | hrw | ping_tu: update |
| 09:03.33 | ping_tu | hrw: update makefile? |
| 09:03.45 | WiggleCat | make update |
| 09:04.13 | ping_tu | OK, thanks |
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| 09:04.40 | WiggleCat | assuming you are using the mokomakefile |
| 09:04.48 | WiggleCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 09:06.41 | ping_tu | yes, i use makefile |
| 09:08.32 | modzilla | how do u interface GSM modem of a Neo with a desktop device ? |
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| 09:14.35 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Technil]] [[Neo1973_Hardware]] |
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| 09:15.54 | LWT001 | I have successfully compiled openmoko for x86 and fic-gta01 platform, and tested it on Fedaro Core 6 using Xoo&Xnest. There are some icon or menu items, Did Openmoko only display these icon at this phase ? |
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| 09:29.30 | Stephmw | mornin' |
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| 09:56.35 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: jffs2 crc failures on Phase0 device |
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| 10:21.44 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: No stylus on V1 release? |
| 10:23.54 | WiggleCat | prom, you here? |
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| 10:25.53 | greghunt | or what they think i like :/ |
| 10:26.50 | Stephmw | had too much of fluffy kitten calendars? |
| 10:27.27 | greghunt | apparently i like some guy call kieren |
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| 11:03.08 | KimuSan^ | hmmm has a wifi solution been choosen yet? |
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| 11:16.34 | Any_Key | KimuSan^,not yet, http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/03/25/#20070325-returning_from_taipei |
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| 11:38.52 | WiggleCat | anyone using xoo & xnest who doesn't have a 90 foot display? |
| 11:45.47 | XorA | 90foot pr0n viewer, bloody hell |
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| 11:48.39 | inz | Displays of that size rarely have good resolutions |
| 11:49.55 | SpeedEvil | What's the best projectors at ? 1200*1000 or so? |
| 11:51.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1517 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/src/ (moko-gsm-conn.c moko-gsm-conn.h openmoko-panel-gsm.c): fix lgsmd connection problem, success to get the value of gsm signal quality |
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| 11:55.11 | WiggleCat | naa.. the default xoo 'skin' is too big... |
| 11:55.27 | WiggleCat | and I cna't resize the screen... |
| 11:55.30 | WiggleCat | :( |
| 11:59.09 | SpeedEvil | Sure you can. |
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| 12:03.23 | SpeedEvil | More seriously, simply backing up a lot can work. |
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| 12:04.17 | WiggleCat | .. my screen is 1280x800 the default skin is 600x129569059659695 |
| 12:05.21 | WiggleCat | well ok, 660x1278 |
| 12:06.18 | WiggleCat | ... and then the penny drops... :) |
| 12:17.51 | WiggleCat | has anyone tried distcc with the build? |
| 12:19.01 | hrw | WiggleCat: we rather suggest icecream rather |
| 12:20.41 | WiggleCat | looks interesting hrw |
| 12:25.10 | buz | counter |
| 12:25.11 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 2 days 23:34:49 (9.983 +-7.0 days) (645) |
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| 12:32.30 | WiggleCat | Ennio? |
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| 12:43.15 | PBeck | hi |
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| 13:10.30 | WiggleCat | openmoko/openembedded/packages/gtk+/files/./no-xwc.patch ... is still a problem |
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| 13:14.43 | Sup3rkiddo | WiggleCat: well i just commented it our in bb |
| 13:14.44 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Neo1973_Hardware]] |
| 13:14.48 | Sup3rkiddo | *out |
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| 13:16.43 | zecke | WiggleCat: down grade to bitbake1.6 or update org.oe.dev... |
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| 13:21.48 | empty_mind | Sup3rkiddo, remove gtk+-directfb receipe |
| 13:22.42 | Sup3rkiddo | empty_mind: but..will it affect my toolchain in the end? |
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| 13:52.23 | _buz | the third outage today (that i know of) |
| 13:55.46 | CM | _buz: I'm really surprised by mine. Only one outage for about 5 minutes in 2 years (no brownout or blackouts either) |
| 13:56.00 | _buz | so far i could say that about mine too |
| 13:56.18 | _buz | (looking at such that i noticed, anyway, i dont run any real stats |
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| 14:03.28 | jipi | hi folks, check with you... does openmoko want an open-sourced wifi chipset firmware or just open-sourced kernel drivers will do? |
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| 14:04.50 | WiggleCat | there's no wifi chip |
| 14:05.03 | Clint | i want free firmware |
| 14:05.10 | jipi | WiggleCat: I mean the next-gen |
| 14:05.21 | jipi | Clint: for? |
| 14:05.28 | Clint | for my wifi chips |
| 14:05.47 | mjr | As I understand, free kernel driver is the minimum acceptable. Dunno really the position on firmware. |
| 14:05.58 | CM | The gps firmware isn't open either is it? |
| 14:06.12 | jipi | CM: I think so. |
| 14:06.21 | XorA | open firmware is mostly a total waste of time anyway |
| 14:06.25 | WiggleCat | no.. |
| 14:06.40 | jipi | WiggleCat: no what? |
| 14:06.51 | WiggleCat | gps firmware not open |
| 14:07.05 | jipi | WiggleCat: thanks |
| 14:07.39 | mjr | yes, considering the other closed chipsets one would assume that a closed firmware would not be wifi-killer |
| 14:07.40 | _buz | closed firmware is ok i think, preferably without the need to load it into the device |
| 14:08.18 | _buz | i think ar6001 is having good chances |
| 14:13.18 | jipi | ok, thanks folks |
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| 14:16.48 | prpplague | _buz: yea the ar6001 looks good, problem i see with it right now is i can't seem to find any embeddable modules currently available |
| 14:17.01 | kdean06 | Does anyone here have a Neo1973 that can answer a question posed by my wife? She wants to know what prevents the touchscreen from being pressed when the phone is bouncing around in her purse. |
| 14:17.56 | Hopscotch | purses are evil |
| 14:18.04 | hrw | kdean06: nothing |
| 14:18.33 | WiggleCat | the fact that she doesn't own one :P |
| 14:19.08 | WiggleCat | doesn't the design lend itself to being on a lanyard |
| 14:19.16 | XorA | kdean06: normally the phone would be is suspend mode while in pockets/bags |
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| 14:19.35 | XorA | kdean06: requiring a button press or incoming call to wake it |
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| 14:20.19 | kdean06 | Hopscotch, I agree. hrw, is it sensitive enough that carrying it in a purse would trigger keypresses (by default) often? WiggleCat, She doesn't own one, but I really want one, and she thinks it's cool. I've learned to do eveything possible when my wife is willing to drop money on Free Software projects. |
| 14:20.33 | kdean06 | XorA, Thank you! That's a perfet solution. ;) |
| 14:20.53 | XorA | kdean06: the current P0 phones have a bug preventing this happening |
| 14:20.57 | WiggleCat | aye kdean06 |
| 14:21.58 | kdean06 | XorA, Bugs get squashed in time. :) |
| 14:22.26 | kdean06 | Wait a second. :P |
| 14:23.21 | kdean06 | I just re-read that... What prevents a pack of gum from bringing the phone out of standby... Hrm... Maybe I need to make a cover, or a purse-friendy lanyard... |
| 14:24.12 | _buz | kdean06: what preents a normal candybar from coming out of standby??? |
| 14:24.26 | _buz | in fact, the nokias are notorious for that |
| 14:24.43 | XorA | kdean06: can gum press a button? |
| 14:25.02 | WiggleCat | * lock |
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| 14:25.37 | XorA | my windows phone is always taking itself out of standby, and worse it almost always goes straight into reset mode |
| 14:25.45 | kdean06 | XorA, If by "button" that means something on the touch screen, yes. Just as my cats can use my computer by jumping on the keyboard. :) |
| 14:25.51 | WiggleCat | no, that's just how windows works |
| 14:25.52 | WiggleCat | :P |
| 14:26.06 | XorA | kdean06: no button I mean one of the two actual clickable buttons on side of case |
| 14:26.26 | kdean06 | _buz, My wife HATES candybars, which is the point. She owned one, and it sucked, so she'd demanded flips since. |
| 14:26.35 | kdean06 | XorA, That works then. That's unlikely to happen often. :P |
| 14:26.56 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1518 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: |
| 14:26.56 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * cosmetic fix of debug statement |
| 14:26.56 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * correct NTC reading algorithm to compensate for 10kOhms parallel resistor |
| 14:26.56 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * print charge current as milliamperes (rather than integral amperes which are deemed to be 0) |
| 14:26.56 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * implement charge mode printing |
| 14:26.59 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * use sysfs_{create,remove}_group() |
| 14:27.00 | XorA | kdean06: well the buttons are hard to push at normal times |
| 14:27.08 | WiggleCat | this one's not ready for consumers yet kdean06 ... devs yes.. but not your average joe |
| 14:27.23 | pH5 | yay, charge current! :) |
| 14:29.19 | kdean06 | WiggleCat, I understand. I'm very interested in having a Neo to start hacking. My wife, however, is interested in us having the same phones (like we do now) and since we've also both broken them at the same time... |
| 14:29.41 | kdean06 | Any excuse to drop $700 on gadgets. :) |
| 14:30.06 | XorA | kdean06: hopefully all your wife does is phone people :-) |
| 14:31.03 | kdean06 | We got the RAZR for all the snazzy stuff, and found out after three days that we'd rather use our phone to make calls only. ;) So I think if it looks shiny and can make calls she'll be happy. |
| 14:31.44 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: jffs2 crc failures on Phase0 device |
| 14:31.45 | XorA | kdean06: thats good because the dialer seems to be the only working bit of openmoko so far |
| 14:33.51 | WiggleCat | ehehhehehe |
| 14:35.01 | kdean06 | Dialer being command line, essentially? Or does X also run? |
| 14:35.13 | SpeedEvil | It's a little X box |
| 14:35.14 | SpeedEvil | basically |
| 14:35.18 | SpeedEvil | the dialer works |
| 14:35.26 | SpeedEvil | and is actually usable. |
| 14:36.18 | kdean06 | Okay. As long as it functions as a phone, cool. Immediatly, that's fine. |
| 14:37.03 | kdean06 | Would you guys feel comfortable giving your wife one? I mean, do you think that it WILL be usable in September, based on the progress of the project, or do you wonder? |
| 14:37.16 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
| 14:37.16 | _buz | in september? sure why not |
| 14:37.23 | _buz | i wouldnt call winmobile particularly useable |
| 14:37.29 | _buz | and surely not motorola |
| 14:37.34 | kdean06 | LMAO |
| 14:37.36 | SpeedEvil | In september, it should at least be as bad as a winmobile. |
| 14:37.45 | SpeedEvil | For most tasks. |
| 14:37.48 | _buz | and thats already better than moto and samsung |
| 14:37.52 | mjr | I'd give my fiancée one. She's a Linux geek, to be sure... |
| 14:38.37 | _buz | in that case it's kinda mandatory ;) |
| 14:39.14 | kdean06 | Lucky man. |
| 14:39.31 | mjr | yes, I do believe I am |
| 14:39.41 | paulproteus | (-: |
| 14:39.47 | _buz | my gf's father has a kubuntu box ;) |
| 14:39.55 | kdean06 | My wife couldn't care less, but she cares that i care, which works fine. :) |
| 14:40.43 | _buz | thankfully i decide my self what i do with my money ;) |
| 14:40.43 | aloril | kdean06: unlocking could require specific gesture which would be very unlikely to happen randomly |
| 14:40.44 | mjr | Í've said it before, but let's say it again; she'll get my p1 phone after I upgrade, her enthusiasm doesn't quite warrant buying two p1's |
| 14:41.05 | _buz | depending on the actual discount, that might be what i do, too |
| 14:42.01 | mwester | :) My wife is currently syncing a Motorola "smartphone" with Outlook -- she'd be happy with anything that works better (which leaves lots of room). I too plan on a staggered two-phone purchase. |
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| 14:42.44 | _buz | battery life will have to be better than 48h though |
| 14:43.00 | XorA | kdean06: just add a big button the interface for wife, "Phone Mum" |
| 14:43.37 | _buz | and for the guys "ignore wife/mum" |
| 14:43.50 | XorA | _buz: heh heh |
| 14:43.51 | TobiX | That's easy. Just build some quick-dialer that pops up when you push the hardware button :) |
| 14:44.05 | TobiX | _buz: Every good phone should have a mute button ;) |
| 14:44.18 | _buz | TobiX: i was thinking selective mute |
| 14:44.26 | XorA | hmmm, a couple of oggs of you saying yes dear, that sounds ok dear, mmmhmmmm and your phone can handle 90% of calls |
| 14:44.27 | prpplague | s/phone/woman |
| 14:44.39 | _buz | yeah that would be a neat feature |
| 14:44.54 | _buz | if we ever get to genetically engineered humans, that will be in high demand |
| 14:45.35 | XorA | _buz: its already invented, its call Ben and Jerrys Phish Food |
| 14:45.40 | TobiX | http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20051209/woman-remote-control/ *ducks* |
| 14:45.44 | prpplague | _buz: with the addition of a genetically enhanced fear of shopping |
| 14:45.58 | _buz | i was going to say jessica alba looks |
| 14:46.26 | WiggleCat | :wq |
| 14:46.31 | WiggleCat | ooops |
| 14:46.35 | WiggleCat | wrong window |
| 14:47.21 | TobiX | WiggleCat: Yeah, "We vi users never make mistakes :wq" |
| 14:49.18 | WiggleCat | :P |
| 14:51.45 | XorA | why is the a minus on boobs? |
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| 14:52.05 | _buz | perhaps to stop other guys from hitting on her |
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| 15:11.00 | pH5 | hmm. gsmd somehow doesn't parse CMS ERROR messages correctly. they always end up being interpreted as unsolicited extd replies. |
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| 15:14.44 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Higher_level_language_options]] [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] |
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| 15:23.51 | DukeOfURL | Hello |
| 15:26.27 | DukeOfURL | What is the relative accuracy of the GPS unit? For example, if the unit were placed in a stationary position, how much movement would it report? (ion |
| 15:27.23 | DukeOfURL | ionosphere changes, etc.) |
| 15:27.38 | SpeedEvil | Around 2-5m |
| 15:27.47 | DukeOfURL | that mich? |
| 15:27.51 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 15:27.54 | DukeOfURL | that much? |
| 15:28.02 | SpeedEvil | hang on - I have a graph! |
| 15:28.16 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: I'm curious about the error distribution too ;) |
| 15:28.22 | Stephmw | more time, better accuracy? |
| 15:29.08 | SpeedEvil | http://groups.google.co.uk/group/sci.geo.satellite-nav/msg/dd900d6dc51d227c?dmode=source&hl=en |
| 15:29.23 | SpeedEvil | this is a post I made some time ago, with my GPS12 |
| 15:29.32 | SpeedEvil | it is going to be essentially similar. |
| 15:29.37 | SpeedEvil | Maybe a _very_ little better. |
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| 15:31.56 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't end up with doing more averaging. |
| 15:32.01 | pH5 | does anybody know which ETSI standard contains the CMS error code definitions? |
| 15:35.56 | DukeOfURL | So we could probably assume the unit was stationary when it's on the charger, but we can't make that assumption based on GPS... |
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| 15:36.52 | dmc_ | dmc |
| 15:37.25 | pH5 | ah, got it |
| 15:37.41 | SpeedEvil | well... |
| 15:37.57 | SpeedEvil | you can - pretty much - if the phone is in a stationary location. |
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| 15:38.17 | SpeedEvil | but charger is probably safest metric. |
| 15:39.16 | WiggleCat | not if I'm charging it in my car |
| 15:39.23 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: hows the audio so far with the neo? |
| 15:39.38 | SpeedEvil | well - it's very rare that you'll be going slower than the GPS error drift |
| 15:39.49 | SpeedEvil | which is some millimetres per second generally. |
| 15:40.13 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: oh |
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| 15:43.16 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1519 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (ChangeLog src/today-events-area.c): |
| 15:43.16 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/today-events-area.c: (update_paging_info): Set page numbers |
| 15:43.16 | CIA-16 | openmoko: rather than number of events on pager widget |
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| 16:03.19 | prpplague | funny funny, i've been trying to find someone that is a distributor for the WM8753 for weeks now, can't seem to find anyone |
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| 16:06.22 | TRIsoft | gtg cu |
| 16:06.50 | balrog-kun | you want to order the chips? |
| 16:08.32 | prpplague | balrog-kun: yea, we are considering using it |
| 16:09.06 | balrog-kun | prpplague: have yout ried the ordering instructions from the last page of the datasheet? |
| 16:09.20 | balrog-kun | btw, it was designed specifically for the Neo1973, |
| 16:09.26 | balrog-kun | but i'm sure it will work in other applications |
| 16:10.10 | prpplague | balrog-kun: yea, getting samples hasn't been a problem, its been getting pricing for 1000 qty at a time |
| 16:11.11 | balrog-kun | i see |
| 16:12.58 | prpplague | balrog-kun: the 8573 was specifically designed for the neo? |
| 16:13.48 | balrog-kun | prpplague: yep, according to Liam Girdwood |
| 16:14.30 | prpplague | interesting |
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| 16:14.47 | prpplague | balrog-kun: well we'd like to use something that has pretty good linux support, not really interested in spending alot of time on the audio support |
| 16:14.56 | balrog-kun | there's lots of things that neo doesn't use (unwired pins) but i guess they are left from the 8756 |
| 16:15.21 | wooddragon | i get this error while building openmoko for x86 "build/tmp/work/x86-linux/sysvinit-2.86-r33/sysvinit-2.86/src/bootlogd.c:150: undefined reference to `openpty'" |
| 16:15.40 | balrog-kun | prpplague: wolfson microsystems maintains the drivers for all their chips themselves, so i think they have good linux support |
| 16:15.55 | wooddragon | what could be wrong. I have glibc and glibc-dev installed on ubuntu edgy box |
| 16:15.59 | prpplague | balrog-kun: yea, we are just doing the basics, just want some support for playing some audio responses and support for voip headset |
| 16:16.09 | balrog-kun | the whole ASoC framework is Liam's work |
| 16:16.20 | prpplague | balrog-kun: yea from what i've heard they have several linux developers on staff |
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| 16:18.57 | Elrond | counter |
| 16:18.57 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 2 days 19:41:02 (9.820 +-7.0 days) (646) |
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| 16:19.33 | balrog-kun | prpplague: will it be a phone too? |
| 16:19.51 | prpplague | balrog-kun: no, industrial handheld device |
| 16:20.34 | balrog-kun | as i understand it the chips above 8750 are for phones (probably not all of them) with outputs and input for gsm |
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| 16:21.04 | balrog-kun | 8750 and below are for things like PDAs |
| 16:21.55 | prpplague | balrog-kun: right, we need to have support for voip with the use of a headset |
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| 16:39.16 | WiggleCat | holy lemmings! 18 hours later it completes |
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| 17:07.23 | PBeck | re |
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| 17:12.43 | prpplague | koen|work: greetings |
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| 17:18.51 | koen | hey prpplague |
| 17:19.16 | prpplague | koen: i see you will be speaking at CELF |
| 17:19.24 | zecke | koen: I bet you lost it in brazil. |
| 17:19.29 | koen | prpplague: yes |
| 17:19.36 | prpplague | koen: congrads |
| 17:19.37 | koen | zecke: I didn't even bring it to brazil :( |
| 17:19.51 | prpplague | koen: aren't your parents in CA? |
| 17:20.00 | koen | and it is kinda embarrassing since I have to drive to work |
| 17:20.08 | koen | and work is at a _police_ station |
| 17:20.24 | zecke | koen: that is just plain funny |
| 17:20.56 | koen | zecke: today I drove into an army base without ID or drivers license |
| 17:21.16 | koen | they were pissed off when I left and couldn't find my entry :) |
| 17:21.18 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.32 | koen | I was working there :) |
| 17:23.35 | zecke | koen: hehe, are you waiting for your SoC judging? |
| 17:24.24 | koen | zecke: I didn't participate in the SoC this year |
| 17:24.32 | koen | too much stuff to do in the summer |
| 17:24.49 | zecke | koen: so you won't write the web proxy in php? that is bad |
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| 17:33.41 | high-rez | counter |
| 17:33.41 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 2 days 18:26:18 (9.768 +-7.0 days) (647) |
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| 18:07.15 | Elrond | koen - You worked for the army? |
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| 18:08.15 | zecke | Elrond: dutch army, they don't do anything anyway |
| 18:08.42 | koen | Elrond: for a contractor for the army (http://bsst.de) |
| 18:09.23 | mwester | s/he a/he needed a/ |
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| 18:15.44 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] |
| 18:18.18 | Elrond | zecke - You mean, they wear funny uniforms and have a nice day? ;o) |
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| 18:33.50 | empty_mind | is it possible to pull and build any stable version of openmoko ? i.e not the bleeding edge thing but working thing for rnd |
| 18:34.10 | guaqua_ | there's no such thing yet :) |
| 18:34.23 | empty_mind | guaqua_, :-( |
| 18:34.48 | empty_mind | guaqua_, actaully dev version gives a new bug everyday |
| 18:35.32 | guaqua_ | you probably have to build it by hand if it's that way |
| 18:35.58 | empty_mind | guaqua_, by hand ? |
| 18:36.09 | guaqua_ | manually |
| 18:36.18 | empty_mind | guaqua_, how ? |
| 18:36.19 | guaqua_ | tinker with options and stuff...i don't know :) |
| 18:36.26 | empty_mind | guaqua_, thnxs |
| 18:36.27 | CM | Not with the moko makefile, but using bitbake directly |
| 18:36.31 | guaqua_ | i've only built it with the mokomakefile |
| 18:36.59 | CM | You can find how to do it manually in the wiki :) |
| 18:37.00 | empty_mind | guaqua_, i built it successfully with mokomakefile couple of times. But facing problems for past 2 weeks |
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| 18:37.13 | CM | empty_mind: Other way around for me |
| 18:37.27 | CM | It failed the first weeks, but no problems at all the last days |
| 18:37.38 | CM | Haven't build it today, but I'll try tonight |
| 18:38.06 | empty_mind | CM, i am hitting weird bugs. Like 'xdmcp' package not found |
| 18:38.25 | empty_mind | or openpty not found (while building x86) |
| 18:38.39 | CM | Ok, I haven't tried that yet |
| 18:39.09 | empty_mind | fed up of al this, i decided to build everything from scracth today in a seperate dir, lets hope how it goes |
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| 18:40.10 | barmeier | hi |
| 18:40.20 | CM | Hello |
| 18:41.46 | barmeier | I'am new to openmoko. Are there any quickstarter for developer guides available ? |
| 18:41.46 | aloril | barmeier: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 18:42.03 | zecke | empty_mind: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showbuilds.pl?tree=OpenMoko the build from scratch works, following the information from the wiki (e.g. to be used OE mtn revision) |
| 18:42.52 | koen | OMG!!1 software marked as unstable and under development has bugs!!! |
| 18:42.54 | koen | OMG!!! |
| 18:43.30 | zecke|zZzzZZzzzZ | koen: the price for frikandel raises, zecke is confused and mentally disturbed |
| 18:43.55 | guaqua_ | frikandel :F |
| 18:44.02 | guaqua_ | what's that? |
| 18:45.18 | empty_mind | zecke|zZzzZZzzzZ, point is my build used to work for till 2 weeks ago, untill libX11 failed to compile |
| 18:45.48 | mwester | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frikandel (very good, btw) |
| 18:47.16 | guaqua_ | mmm |
| 18:47.22 | guaqua_ | i'd like to get some of those |
| 18:48.57 | _buz | sounds very healthy, deep fried fat ;) |
| 18:50.25 | CM | I've just had dinner, and now I'm hungry again.. :P |
| 18:50.58 | guaqua_ | CM: same here |
| 18:51.07 | guaqua_ | i think i've gotta heat up some more |
| 18:51.20 | guaqua_ | so THANK YOU, for bringing up the frikandels :< |
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| 19:27.50 | WiggleCat2 | wiggle wiggle |
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| 19:46.04 | WiggleCat2 | gah! |
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| 20:09.40 | WiggleCat2 | I think there needs to be a disclaimer on the openmoko |
| 20:09.42 | WiggleCat2 | http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/27/faith-in-gps-sends-mercedes-downstream/ |
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| 20:14.44 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] |
| 20:15.10 | ozamosi | So... Does her GPS also keep track of other cars and people? Since she obviously wasn't watching the road, she must have had another way to avoid crashing into someone/something. |
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| 20:24.33 | WiggleCat2 | ozamosi, normally she has a chauffeur |
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| 20:31.19 | DukeOfURL | Here on Hwy 285 in Denver, I observed a woman applying her mascara while talking on a cell phone. She was oblivious to the cars around her. |
| 20:31.40 | dho | In the case of uboot on these things, does it call directly into some specified memory location to what is essentially main() in the kernel? |
| 20:32.22 | cjb | yes |
| 20:32.26 | dho | Thanks. |
| 20:33.28 | dho | (I found a SoC student to do a Plan 9 port :D) |
| 20:33.38 | cjb | ! |
| 20:33.48 | guaqua_ | :S |
| 20:34.33 | dho | The last ARM appliance I worked with used some other boot loader, but I don't remember what it was called anymore |
| 20:34.37 | dho | koen krop or something |
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| 20:38.22 | balrog-kun | dho: linux booting is standarised, all bootloader do it the same way |
| 20:39.05 | dho | I'm not going to be booting Linux, hence the question |
| 20:39.21 | dho | (Also, I don't use Linux, so I wouldn't know in the first place) |
| 20:39.26 | balrog-kun | are plan 9 kernels in ELF format? |
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| 20:40.28 | balrog-kun | most modern OSes except Linux have kernels in ELF format, which is also standard and i'm sure u-boot has an ELF loader |
| 20:40.43 | dho | No, it's not ELF |
| 20:40.44 | WiggleCat2 | s/ey/y |
| 20:41.10 | balrog-kun | dho: can grub boot it? :p |
| 20:41.23 | balrog-kun | on x86 that is |
| 20:41.38 | dho | Dunno, I've never tried. |
| 20:41.45 | balrog-kun | oh ok |
| 20:41.45 | dho | I don't use GRUB either |
| 20:42.07 | dho | Anyway, if it just says 0xabcdef and expects machine code to be there, it should work fine |
| 20:42.17 | dho | That's what the other loader did, and it loaded Plan 9 just fine |
| 20:42.46 | balrog-kun | yeah, there's "bootm <addresshere>" command in u-boot |
| 20:43.20 | dho | Cool, should work dandily then |
| 20:43.35 | drath | mhh, bootm expects to find a uImage iirc |
| 20:43.54 | drath | at least i use bootm to load my uImage from <addresshere> |
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| 20:44.56 | dho | Hm, I guess I don't see a reason why a uImage can't contain any generic kernel then |
| 20:45.00 | drath | but "go" might be what you're looking for: |
| 20:45.01 | drath | go - start application at address 'addr' |
| 20:45.31 | dho | Since the creation script seems to take an address to start execution |
| 20:45.46 | drath | yeah, guess it's used for "u-boot" applications, too |
| 20:46.30 | balrog-kun | oh, i thought bootm just jumps |
| 20:47.23 | drath | it also checks the CRC |
| 20:47.47 | drath | and i guess it also examines the image type |
| 20:49.15 | balrog-kun | and probably sets up the commandline, ATAGs and machine ID |
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| 20:51.42 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - BTW: Do you remember, what happened to the discussion of only switching a few LEDs of the backlight on instead of all of them? |
| 20:52.17 | SpeedEvil | It basically needs backlight mods. |
| 20:53.06 | prpplague | Elrond: most tft led backlights can't be controlled for individual leds |
| 20:53.20 | SpeedEvil | yes, there are probably three LEDs. |
| 20:53.36 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: with individual lines for each led? |
| 20:53.36 | SpeedEvil | you'd want a smaller than nominal output LED in addition to the three. |
| 20:53.41 | SpeedEvil | It depends. |
| 20:53.46 | SpeedEvil | I suspect not. |
| 20:54.24 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: from what i've seen, and we are doing in our design, is running the leds with a pwm so we can control the brightness |
| 20:54.26 | SpeedEvil | three is just worked out from brightness and efficiency numbers. |
| 20:54.38 | SpeedEvil | yeah - that's not the same idea. |
| 20:54.52 | SpeedEvil | the idea is to have a 1*1cm or so patch of the display illuminated. |
| 20:54.52 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: right i understand that |
| 20:55.12 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: oh? to what end? |
| 20:55.38 | SpeedEvil | This would only make sense if the display chosen can in fact draw pixels over SPI - as some can in addition to the framebuffer interface. |
| 20:56.01 | Stephmw | ooo, selective lighting and painting? |
| 20:56.11 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: but to accomplish what? |
| 20:56.14 | Stephmw | or are you going to strobe the thing? |
| 20:56.19 | SpeedEvil | so you can keep the CPU either in slow mode, with the minimal backlight on, or turning the CPU on and off every once in a while. |
| 20:56.37 | SpeedEvil | Basically to keep status/clock/whatever setup. |
| 20:57.11 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: basically to just show that the system is on |
| 20:57.30 | SpeedEvil | No - on, 'message recieved', clock, signal icons |
| 20:58.12 | Elrond | Of course, an extra (trans)flective display would also do ;) |
| 20:58.28 | SpeedEvil | That would work too - though it makes the display dimmer, or use more power. |
| 20:59.47 | SpeedEvil | If the display uses 200mW or so to backlight at full power nominally, 1cm^2 at the same brightness, neglecting lots else would be 10mW. |
| 21:00.33 | Elrond | Well, and extra display without backlight would probably take less, right? |
| 21:00.47 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
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| 21:02.10 | SpeedEvil | The only advantage the main display has is colour, and the fact that it could almost be 'free', once the extra LED desigh has been done. |
| 21:02.43 | SpeedEvil | Oh - night too. |
| 21:03.37 | Elrond | Yeah, it work at night. ;) |
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| 21:11.26 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: interesting idea |
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| 21:12.08 | don-o | counter |
| 21:12.08 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 2 days 14:47:51 (9.617 +-7.0 days) (648) |
| 21:12.15 | don-o | mmm. so close. |
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| 21:15.02 | prpplague | hmm, when the battery is inserted into the neo, does it automatically power on and boot? |
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| 21:15.46 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[User_talk:Speedevil]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] |
| 21:17.47 | rwhitby | prpplague: no |
| 21:18.55 | prpplague | rwhitby: so when does the device actually power on? |
| 21:19.09 | rwhitby | when you push the power button for five seconds |
| 21:19.58 | prpplague | rwhitby: the power button connect to the pcf50606 ? |
| 21:20.15 | rwhitby | dunno. I presume so. |
| 21:20.45 | prpplague | rwhitby: so you don't know for sure then |
| 21:21.49 | rwhitby | I know that you have to push the power button. I don't know for sure what that button is connected to (cause I don't have the schematics). I assume it's connected to the pcf50606 due to the code in the kernel driver source and u-boot. |
| 21:24.37 | prpplague | rwhitby: yea, looking at the specs for the pcf50606 now, looks that way |
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| 21:39.08 | WiggleCat2 | "It will probably include an upgrade to 1GB on-board flash." |
| 21:39.13 | WiggleCat2 | yuuuummm :) |
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| 21:42.24 | rwhitby | 1GBit I think. |
| 21:43.14 | Elrond | Where is that info from? |
| 21:44.39 | rwhitby | I read here on IRC that the 1GByte was a misunderstanding by the reporter and it was actually 1Gbit (cause flash chips are sold in Giga-bit, not Giga-byte, sizes) |
| 21:45.25 | rwhitby | (i.e. a doubling of flash space from 64MB (512MBit) to 128MB (1GBit) |
| 21:46.12 | Elrond | Will the RAM then also be increased? |
| 21:46.52 | Elrond | More ram than flash is good, because it allows to load flashupdates into ram, then let the phone put it into flash on its own. |
| 21:46.59 | rwhitby | that would be a separate decision - the two are not linked. |
| 21:47.33 | Elrond | (could check for enough battery first. That way the update wont break due to power outages / PC errors) |
| 21:47.34 | rwhitby | dfu-util allows you to write directly to flash - no need for RAM staging. |
| 21:48.03 | rwhitby | Anyone who flashes on battery deserves to have their phone broken. |
| 21:48.15 | rwhitby | That's almost as bad as flashing over wireless. |
| 21:48.33 | Elrond | On battery and usb. :) |
| 21:48.51 | SpeedEvil | staging to RAM is good. IMO. |
| 21:48.57 | Elrond | And I think, current dfu-util goes through RAM. |
| 21:49.22 | rwhitby | Elrond: why do you think that? |
| 21:49.23 | Elrond | One could also apply some sanity checks in-RAM. |
| 21:49.29 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 21:49.44 | SpeedEvil | Like crypto signatures if the user has set that up. |
| 21:50.09 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Yeah, that would be even better. |
| 21:50.35 | Elrond | I don't want the government trojaned u-boot on my phone. ;) |
| 21:50.40 | SpeedEvil | Or maybe it might be better to ship by default only allowing 'unblessed' tools. |
| 21:50.47 | SpeedEvil | err - blessed kernels. |
| 21:51.00 | SpeedEvil | You need to do something to enable any kernel getting loaded. |
| 21:51.05 | rwhitby | how often do you expect to be flashing, once the phone is mainstream, as opposed to "ipkg upgrade" (which can also write flash for a new kernel if necessary, and doesn't need more RAM than current for that) ? |
| 21:51.18 | SpeedEvil | Very rarely. |
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| 21:51.52 | SpeedEvil | If I think someone may have been screwing with my phone. |
| 21:52.14 | SpeedEvil | though simply reading back from u-boot may be as good. |
| 21:53.04 | rwhitby | ipkg install needs crypto verification. flashing doesn't (check the pedigree of the image on the host before flashing it to the device) |
| 21:53.19 | Elrond | DFU goes through RAM: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_DFU#Type_of_DFU_Download |
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| 21:54.38 | rwhitby | Elrond: that's only for the uboot partition (which is much much smaller than current RAM, and won't get any bigger no matter what the flash size). If you read further, kernel and rootfs are flashed directly. |
| 21:55.03 | rwhitby | NAND size and RAM size are not linked. |
| 21:55.20 | Elrond | Yeah, did so. |
| 21:55.46 | Elrond | BTW: I still have not found any docs on how partitioning works on the neo, any pointers? |
| 21:55.58 | Elrond | (I don't mean BBT. Just the plain partitioning) |
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| 21:56.35 | rwhitby | partitioning of flash? it's all done in software by uboot and the kernel. there are no physical partitions. |
| 21:56.56 | cjb | you can't partition NAND/jffs2 properly anyway. |
| 21:57.25 | Elrond | So u-boot has hard coded sizes for the "partitions" and tells them to the kernel? |
| 21:57.40 | Elrond | Or how does the kernel know, where the rootfs is? |
| 21:57.41 | rwhitby | Elrond: look in devirginator source, "environment" file. |
| 21:59.17 | Elrond | rwhitby - http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/devirginator/environment.in That one? I can't see anything close to "hard coded partition sizes" there. |
| 22:00.52 | rwhitby | ${mtdparts} is what does it. |
| 22:01.14 | _ASK | who has purchased the phone? |
| 22:01.34 | Elrond | rwhitby - So where is that set from? |
| 22:02.32 | dho | upi cam |
| 22:02.33 | dho | er |
| 22:02.36 | dho | you can't yet? |
| 22:04.47 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r59 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: If there are multiple heads, then just choose one for update |
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