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| 00:04.31 | hrw | mplayer suxx |
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| 01:49.02 | *** topic/#openmoko is OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> {www|wiki|bugzilla|planet|projects|lists|svn|svnweb } .openmoko.org | You can buy it around the end of this month for $350, see the wiki. Mass market in September. |
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| 02:31.10 | Elive_user96 | projects |
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| 03:32.39 | MacNorth_ | heh http://www.stewdio.org/windmaker/ |
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| 03:42.35 | gabaug | I try to do rsync fic@buildhost.openmoko.org:deploy/ and openmoko for the password and I get permission denied |
| 03:42.45 | gabaug | (following the directions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko) |
| 03:43.30 | rwhitby | gabaug: I presume that it openmoko-internal access only |
| 03:43.42 | gabaug | rwhitby: what's with the wiki then? |
| 03:43.45 | gabaug | out of date? |
| 03:43.53 | rwhitby | the wiki is used by openmoko employees too. |
| 03:44.41 | rwhitby | this is not a "sanitised by the marketing department" wiki for external use only. |
| 03:44.49 | gabaug | heh, ok |
| 03:45.06 | rwhitby | but you're right - it should be marked as internal use only for that rsync bit |
| 03:46.03 | gabaug | rwhitby: is there any alternative to the hours and 7 GB involved w/ your Makefile to get the latest software on the Neo and to develop for it? (eg binaries of things I don't plan on hacking on..)? |
| 03:46.34 | rwhitby | my makefile takes about 1 minute to run - the rest is monotone and openembedded. |
| 03:47.07 | rwhitby | if you read the MokoMakefile wiki page, there is a tip to reduce the 7GB to much less. |
| 03:47.29 | rwhitby | as for the time taken, 90% of that is only done once. |
| 03:48.28 | gabaug | it's definitely kept me from getting doing much hacking...it's failed a couple times, I haven't had enough space for it others... |
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| 03:50.03 | gabaug | rwhitby: so that tip for reducing space...does it still require 7GB up front, it just uses less afterward? and/or does it end up requiring a lot more CPU b/c things aren't cached? |
| 04:06.09 | rwhitby | no, it cleans up each package after building. no extra cpu. |
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| 07:21.55 | Mandarino | CM where are you from? |
| 07:22.03 | CM | Mandarino: Sweden :) |
| 07:22.20 | Mandarino | Nice country! |
| 07:22.35 | CM | Most of the time, yes ;) |
| 07:22.39 | CM | Mandarino: You? |
| 07:22.46 | Mandarino | Spain.... |
| 07:22.54 | CM | Just noticed the .es |
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| 07:23.31 | Mandarino | :P |
| 07:23.56 | Mandarino | Now we are starting the day ... |
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| 07:54.03 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] |
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| 08:04.44 | Hopscotch | guten morgen |
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| 08:33.05 | Any_Key | Hi all |
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| 08:34.54 | dotme1 | hullo :) |
| 08:37.02 | Any_Key | nice to see a lot of people hanging here. It's means they already know about Moko |
| 08:37.46 | ecraven | we do :) |
| 08:38.04 | Any_Key | yea so I |
| 08:44.29 | Any_Key | just wont little free time to build distro & run in simulator, it always fail at oe_libinstall when I tried to "make openmoko-devel-image" |
| 08:44.43 | Any_Key | & I dont have time |
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| 08:54.03 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] |
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| 09:14.08 | koen | buz: wishfull thinking? |
| 09:14.25 | buz | more like not reading press release properly |
| 09:14.39 | buz | besides, the predecessor would fit the bill if one knew about the drivers |
| 09:15.03 | pH5 | hmm.. I have a low frequency buzzing noise in the left earphone speaker. |
| 09:15.22 | pH5 | it isn't influenced by any mixer setting but changes strongly depending on screen contents - interference from the lcd? |
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| 09:29.25 | xkr47 | morning |
| 09:29.29 | xkr47 | (hrw) |
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| 09:54.03 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] |
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| 10:39.55 | Stephmw | mornin |
| 10:40.14 | TRIsoft | waves |
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| 10:43.21 | hrw | hi TRIsoft Stephmw |
| 10:43.29 | TRIsoft | hi hrw |
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| 10:55.08 | zecke | koen|away: aha, looks like it can't parse bugzilla anymore... |
| 10:59.26 | zecke | mickey|zzZZzz: I will flood you some more |
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| 11:01.26 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 00:58:33 (11.041 +-7.0 days) (603) |
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| 11:19.25 | carrumba | re |
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| 11:54.03 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] |
| 11:55.07 | guaqua | i want my neo silver and 16GB+ memory |
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| 11:55.48 | guaqua | or red and 5% of the cost donated to charity ;)' |
| 11:56.08 | guaqua | so everyone knows i care about the third world :D |
| 11:56.35 | CM | I'd like that buy one olpc and send one to a poor kid |
| 11:58.17 | guaqua | i think olpc as an idea is nice |
| 11:58.32 | Stephmw | guaqua: you don't like the execution? |
| 11:58.34 | guaqua | as long as it works, and doesn't break down easily |
| 11:58.57 | guaqua | i don't know how to criticize the execution either |
| 11:59.17 | guaqua | i just know that the devices should be delivered straight to the ones meant to be using them |
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| 12:00.08 | guaqua | otherwise half the money budgeted for the devices end up in switzerland, to secret accounts of the third world leaders |
| 12:00.57 | hrw | CM: iirc if you want to buy olpc you have to pay for two - second is sent to poor ones |
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| 12:01.28 | CM | hrw: That's what I meant, and heard too. Just wondering when youc an actually do that :) |
| 12:01.29 | XorA | hmm, I can do the jtag part of devirginate, but then the DFU part doesnt work |
| 12:01.39 | guaqua | well, still hoping we can get the mesh functionality to neo version x some day :) |
| 12:02.16 | XorA | ahah, needs to run as root |
| 12:05.52 | koen | hrw: that's not true |
| 12:06.24 | koen | hrw: you can't buy OLPCs, the olpc guys said they *might* consider going the 2-for-1 route |
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| 12:06.51 | koen | (I talked to the OLPC dudes last week, asking the same question) |
| 12:07.05 | CM | koen: That's what I thought too. I hope they do that at some point at least. :) |
| 12:09.12 | hrw | ok |
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| 12:18.13 | zecke | mickey|busy: poor boy, building the Moko rootfs is broken |
| 12:18.43 | mickey|busy | *shrug* |
| 12:18.46 | mickey|busy | works for me |
| 12:18.50 | mickey|busy | where does it fail for you? |
| 12:19.05 | hrw | mickey|busy: please bump openmoko-today SRCDATE |
| 12:19.16 | mickey|busy | openmoko-today SRCDATE is already @ now |
| 12:19.20 | mickey|busy | how can i bump now? |
| 12:19.24 | mickey|busy | :) |
| 12:20.05 | hrw | mickey|busy: openmoko bugs #304-#311 show other thing ;D |
| 12:20.55 | mickey|busy | well |
| 12:20.59 | mickey|busy | can't reproduce |
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| 12:50.23 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1492 10/trunk/oe/packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb: oe/tasks: bump task-openmoko PR in a furious attempt to close #252 |
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| 13:01.41 | CM | At least the default mokomakefile works |
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| 13:05.09 | guaqua | does someone run openmoko in qemu? |
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| 13:05.47 | zecke | hrw: openmoko's buildhost-old is running debian stable |
| 13:05.55 | zecke | hrw: so only debian stable software or backports can be installed |
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| 13:09.59 | hrw | zecke: git 1.4.4.2 comment? |
| 13:10.28 | zecke | hrw: right |
| 13:10.58 | hrw | zecke: bitbake git-native helps |
| 13:11.13 | hrw | this also is in comment |
| 13:11.33 | zecke | hrw: this is an autobuilder == no manual influence |
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| 13:12.16 | hrw | then add git-native somewhere? |
| 13:13.04 | zecke | hrw: the nightly builds most of the time fail due network issues with some host... I think I will let stuff build at 4 o'clock to avoid this... |
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| 13:23.10 | quickdev | Hello :) |
| 13:23.58 | antenagora | conter |
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| 13:24.02 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 22:35:57 (10.942 +-7.0 days) (604) |
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| 13:30.37 | koen|lab | mickey|busy: can you add INHERIT += "angstrom-mirrors" to openmoko.conf, that should take care of most fetch errors |
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| 14:09.07 | MBitter | Hi, any news about the release-day of Phase1? Or is it still the 1st week of april? |
| 14:11.44 | XorA | MBitter: still around then last I heard |
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| 14:12.25 | MBitter | XorA: thx |
| 14:12.49 | XorA | MBitter: it might be first week in April on Mars though :-) |
| 14:13.42 | MBitter | lol, is it sooner or later than on earth? |
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| 14:16.14 | XorA | MBitter: I would guess the time scale on mars is slightly flexible :-) |
| 14:16.29 | XorA | pinning down those damn martians is so damn hard |
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| 14:20.28 | TRIsoft | waves to Liane |
| 14:20.35 | Liane | hi marc |
| 14:20.56 | Liane | i got your email this morning. |
| 14:21.22 | TRIsoft | chance to hit you up on ICQ the next days ? |
| 14:21.51 | Liane | I called sherry's colleague and learnd that she has delayed her trip to Hannovr due to hand injury |
| 14:22.36 | Liane | tomorrow i will go to my office, but it would be yor night time already |
| 14:22.49 | TRIsoft | OK, that's a reason. We should better discuss this further w/o 249 interested ppl. listening ;-) |
| 14:22.57 | Liane | let's chat on icq now. |
| 14:23.10 | TRIsoft | ok |
| 14:23.37 | Liane | hahahaha... well certaianly not harald and werner. they are still at fic when i left work. |
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| 14:36.01 | Any_Key | somebody recognizes this build error? |
| 14:36.20 | Any_Key | ERROR: function do_stage failed |
| 14:36.20 | Any_Key | ERROR: log data follows (/home/moko/build/tmp/work/i486-linux/libelf-0.8.6-r0/temp/log.do_stage.4370) |
| 14:36.20 | Any_Key | | oe_libinstall: cd lib |
| 14:36.20 | Any_Key | | oe_libinstall: install -d /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/i486-linux/lib// |
| 14:36.20 | Any_Key | | oe_libinstall: install -m 0644 libelf.a /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/i486-linux/lib// |
| 14:36.21 | Any_Key | | FATAL: oe_libinstall: unable to locate shared library |
| 14:36.48 | Any_Key | it's the only error so far |
| 14:38.04 | guaqua | yes |
| 14:38.20 | guaqua | go to the dir, ./configure --enable-shared && make |
| 14:38.27 | Any_Key | ooo tell me the trough |
| 14:38.38 | guaqua | then redo the build step where it occured in |
| 14:39.20 | guaqua | this is a rather common error. it has to do with openembedded, not directly with openmoko |
| 14:41.00 | Any_Key | I understand it's comes from openembedded elflib it kinda general stuff |
| 14:42.12 | guaqua | yes |
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| 14:49.34 | Any_Key | <guaqua> thanks a lot, I hope it will work |
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| 14:51.44 | koen|lab | root@fic-gta01:~$ uptime |
| 14:51.44 | koen|lab | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.49 | koen|lab | pretty stable so far.... |
| 14:52.21 | Any_Key | koen|lab 4 users? |
| 14:52.41 | koen|lab | desktop and a remote logins |
| 14:54.03 | Any_Key | sounds good "there are 4 simultaneous users on my phone" |
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| 14:57.11 | XorA | koen|lab: does ANgstrom on neo look like Angstrom or openmoko? |
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| 14:58.52 | XorA | ahah, hardware battery charging seems to work on a bv2 so I can use that to recover from dead battery state |
| 14:59.53 | koen|lab | XorA: there are subtle differences in the gui :) |
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| 15:30.45 | Any_Key | nice weekend to all you gays, happy hacking. |
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| 15:42.16 | abraxa_ | lol... gays |
| 15:45.01 | Rakshasa | It's a code name, and the things he's saying are just subtle hints for anyone interested. His true identity is Any_Gay. |
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| 15:48.51 | guaqua | Rakshasa: good one |
| 15:49.34 | buz | so this is some sort of coming out |
| 15:49.39 | XorA | Rakshasa: you named after the mythical creature or the ADND creature? |
| 15:51.20 | Rakshasa | XorA: Neither and both.. I first took the name from the game Freespace II. It's a shivan ship class designation and they were all named after mythical creatures. |
| 15:51.21 | guaqua | i guess this reveals more about XorA than it reveals about Rakshasa |
| 15:52.55 | Rakshasa | Advanced Dungeons and Dragons.. ? |
| 15:52.55 | aloril | Rakshasa: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 15:53.00 | Sup3rkiddo | Rakshasha means demon in Hindu Mythology |
| 15:56.09 | XorA | although moko-diveroller would be useful |
| 15:56.16 | XorA | s/dive/dice/ |
| 15:56.31 | abraxa_ | Ohh, an RPG suite for OpenMoko... interesting idea :D |
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| 15:57.07 | unknown_lamer | distrubuted dnd! |
| 15:57.20 | unknown_lamer | and nethack |
| 15:57.31 | XorA | with the GPS we could do a dungeon bash on city streets :-) |
| 15:57.54 | unknown_lamer | ubiquitous computing: enabling you to waste time on video games anywhere! |
| 15:57.58 | XorA | two people get within 10m the BT fires up and their characters fight |
| 15:58.18 | unknown_lamer | what if one character was a taoist |
| 15:58.36 | XorA | unknown_lamer: then he can run like a little girl |
| 15:58.43 | unknown_lamer | nonresistance does not involve running! |
| 15:59.10 | XorA | unknown_lamer: dodgy battle axes does though |
| 15:59.17 | XorA | dogding |
| 15:59.21 | XorA | dodging |
| 16:00.56 | unknown_lamer | but then you'd be reincarnated as a battle axe for killing the taoist |
| 16:02.48 | Rakshasa | XorA: I've actually thought (almost seriously) about that dungeon bash on city streets XD |
| 16:03.20 | XorA | unknown_lamer: it matters little as long as I can drench myself in blood |
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| 16:04.38 | Rakshasa | To make a single player game we'll just need to overlay the gps data with a fantasy tileset and populate the map with monsters. Then one'll be able to go adventuring in his own home town XD |
| 16:06.32 | unknown_lamer | Rakshasa: in at least the US you could grab topo data from the net and automagically generate terrain |
| 16:06.46 | SpeedEvil | openstreetmap. |
| 16:06.58 | XorA | opendungeonmap.com |
| 16:06.59 | SpeedEvil | you can get topo information from the raw GPS tracks. |
| 16:07.05 | XorA | :-D |
| 16:07.05 | SpeedEvil | though that does mean interpolating. |
| 16:07.09 | Rakshasa | Openstreetmap sounds good enough here in finland |
| 16:08.04 | guaqua | just use google maps |
| 16:08.04 | guaqua | and fixed priced gprs |
| 16:08.04 | SpeedEvil | I found I was living in a blank in OSM. |
| 16:08.04 | SpeedEvil | I'm now not. |
| 16:08.04 | unknown_lamer | guaqua: the topological data is more interesting for an rpg |
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| 16:08.12 | unknown_lamer | get the terrain correct but generate a fantasy town on top of it |
| 16:08.55 | XorA | You enter the dusty inn, the patrons all cease conversation and stare at you, Oh wait, thats half the pubs in Edin :-) |
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| 16:12.11 | Rakshasa | There are some government funded projects here in Finland to make 'games' for gps enabled smartphones. Maybe I could apply for funding if I started making such a dungeon bash... |
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| 16:13.27 | ewanm89 | gov'nment funding for opensource would be a first! |
| 16:13.43 | koen|lab | not really |
| 16:15.06 | ewanm89 | That isn't true open source! |
| 16:16.07 | koen|lab | it isn't? |
| 16:16.16 | koen|lab | GPL and BSD aren't true opensource? |
| 16:17.12 | XorA | koen|away: GPL isnt, it places restrictions on what you can do with the source :-D |
| 16:17.25 | XorA | dam you koen|lab for logging on many times |
| 16:17.42 | koen|lab | :) |
| 16:18.08 | XorA | in fact GPLv3 is heading towards a closed source system |
| 16:18.23 | ewanm89 | NASA design parts and then get the cheapest contractor to make that design for them! |
| 16:19.43 | Rakshasa | ewanm89: i.e. order them from russian junkyards? |
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| 16:20.50 | gadnio | hi, folks. i am interested in participating in the google SoC |
| 16:21.03 | ewanm89 | Still that is not opensource! |
| 16:21.43 | ewanm89 | I want to join Google Summer of Code but I have to wait till next year :( |
| 16:22.11 | Rakshasa | I'd like to participate SoC too. |
| 16:22.19 | gadnio | Wishlist:context based to-do list |
| 16:22.34 | ewanm89 | count |
| 16:23.30 | gadnio | can you folks tell me weather or not this task is taken by someone? |
| 16:23.30 | aloril | gadnio: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 16:24.00 | gadnio | i've read the faq already |
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| 16:26.22 | Rakshasa | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Text_Input <- I was thinking of making a fully customizable and localizable input package with hexinput, quikwriting and finger splash in it, and an ability to switch between them as one's typing. Am I being realistic here? |
| 16:26.48 | Rakshasa | And is this line of development alread overpopulated? |
| 16:28.41 | abraxa_ | Rakshasa: Not that I know of |
| 16:28.49 | abraxa_ | Either way I'd just submit an application |
| 16:29.20 | gadnio | anyone? |
| 16:29.37 | XorA | gadnio: no-one from openmoko is here at the moment |
| 16:30.22 | hrw | gadnio: register in GSoC |
| 16:30.49 | hrw | gadnio: if someone else registered it then you can always choose other thing. |
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| 16:35.18 | PBeck | hm what should i learn when i am new at programming? |
| 16:35.26 | SpeedEvil | Everything! |
| 16:35.28 | loufoque | the basics |
| 16:35.41 | PBeck | i mean which language will be a good start |
| 16:35.44 | ewanm89 | Start with python! |
| 16:35.45 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: visual? |
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| 16:36.11 | loufoque | SpeedEvil: "basics" is an actual word, not a Microsoft trademark |
| 16:36.17 | PBeck | what would be usefull when i would develop on openmoko |
| 16:36.19 | PBeck | C? |
| 16:36.31 | PBeck | C++? |
| 16:36.36 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: True - there is a set of languages that could be referred to as 'teh basics'. |
| 16:36.44 | loufoque | the openmoko API is only available to C at the moment |
| 16:36.44 | SpeedEvil | C is probably a good starting point. |
| 16:36.47 | XorA | PBeck: C to start then a smattering of C++ |
| 16:37.17 | ewanm89 | Start with python then move to c! |
| 16:37.37 | XorA | PBeck: but if you just want to get some windows open and dont want to get heavy, python using pygtk and py-moko (or whatever its called) would work as well |
| 16:38.06 | Rakshasa | PBeck: Start with any language, after you've learnt what if..else, do..while and switch..case are and how you use them, feel free to try the different languages to find the one that suits you. That's how I started. |
| 16:38.23 | vmaster | in the end you'll want to use C, so why not learn it first... ;) |
| 16:38.30 | PBeck | is python avaible on a standard openmoko image? |
| 16:38.46 | PBeck | i have learnd python a bit ;) |
| 16:39.00 | PBeck | but my problem was i havent a project :( |
| 16:39.22 | CoreDump|afk | IIRC there is no python in the default images |
| 16:39.22 | loufoque | python is available for ARM I think |
| 16:40.01 | PBeck | when python is avaible on a standard image than it would be good to leran |
| 16:40.09 | SpeedEvil | OMG - snakes, on a phone! |
| 16:40.42 | hrw | PBeck: sure.. python in 64M flash.. |
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| 16:40.58 | SpeedEvil | Is there a python-lite? |
| 16:41.04 | PBeck | hrw: i mean that i dont musst install it |
| 16:41.17 | PBeck | its on the phone as standard |
| 16:41.26 | buz | wtf would you want a physics engine on a phone |
| 16:41.32 | hrw | PBeck: I think that normal image will not contain any interpreted language other then posix sh |
| 16:41.48 | SpeedEvil | IMO, awk might be a good one. |
| 16:41.57 | SpeedEvil | there are very small ones out there, |
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| 16:41.59 | MacNorth_ | buz: add an accelerometer and make a wiimote :-P |
| 16:42.01 | hrw | SpeedEvil: awk and sh are part of busybox |
| 16:42.24 | PBeck | hrw: hum, than it would be usefuller that i learn C? |
| 16:42.59 | buz | i wouldnt start with C |
| 16:43.04 | buz | i'd say learn python |
| 16:43.12 | buz | has a good tutorial |
| 16:43.15 | hrw | PBeck: if your application will be not part of base install then it will be in feeds. all in feeds will have proper dependencies |
| 16:43.19 | SpeedEvil | even the stock gawk is only 250K |
| 16:43.41 | hrw | ipkg install pbeck-app-which-is-in-python-or-other will install python and other automatically |
| 16:44.47 | loufoque | CPython actually doesn't even use a JIT so it can be run anywhere |
| 16:45.00 | PBeck | hum what would be a good project to start with python |
| 16:45.01 | hrw | I wonder why people forgot that normal distros HAVE dependencies |
| 16:45.21 | PBeck | what would be nice for openmoko |
| 16:45.25 | PBeck | what is needed ;) |
| 16:45.32 | PBeck | a small project :p |
| 16:45.35 | buz | a FPGA |
| 16:45.38 | buz | SCNR |
| 16:45.39 | mjr | v8 |
| 16:45.45 | buz | ~v12 |
| 16:45.46 | apt | [v12] the next must-have in the Neo1973, http://www.ultimatestupidity.com/pics/1/diesel/ |
| 16:46.21 | PBeck | lol |
| 16:49.45 | Rakshasa | apt: wouldn't that be a bit on the heavy side to carry around? |
| 16:50.13 | buz | Rakshasa: apt is a bot |
| 16:50.21 | buz | ~botsnack |
| 16:50.21 | apt | :), buz |
| 16:50.30 | PBeck | ~bot |
| 16:50.32 | apt | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 16:50.40 | PBeck | ~hello |
| 16:50.42 | apt | Howdy Bub |
| 16:50.48 | PBeck | hrhr :D |
| 16:50.58 | buz | ~lart apt |
| 16:51.08 | buz | oh its smarter than i thought ;) |
| 16:51.21 | Rakshasa | Darn. Every channel has got to have it's automated clown. I can't compete with 'em. =( |
| 16:51.28 | buz | i think the thing is called helbard though |
| 16:51.58 | PBeck | hrw: what you would write in python for openmoko? |
| 16:52.32 | Rakshasa | MokoNibblers of course. And pizzaworm XVIII |
| 16:52.44 | PBeck | p |
| 16:52.46 | PBeck | :p |
| 16:52.52 | buz | mokoworms |
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| 16:53.06 | buz | i doubt wormux will run |
| 16:53.12 | PBeck | i hope the calculator will be cool :D |
| 16:53.14 | buz | that is slow even on my notebook |
| 16:53.24 | PBeck | with many features :D |
| 16:53.26 | buz | a graphing calc would be neat too |
| 16:53.38 | buz | in fact, gimme a TI89 like calc |
| 16:53.50 | PBeck | a normal and a calc with many features |
| 16:54.03 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 16:54.17 | PBeck | buz: a graphical will be develop, see the mailinglist ;) |
| 16:54.23 | PBeck | ~counter |
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| 16:54.33 | buz | graphing!=graphical |
| 16:54.48 | PBeck | oh i read to fast sorry |
| 16:54.53 | PBeck | what is a graphing calc? |
| 16:55.43 | buz | one that paints graphs |
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| 16:56.59 | buz | (and no, i wont use gnuplot) |
| 16:57.25 | PBeck | buz: hm can we combine a calc with gnuplot? |
| 16:57.31 | PBeck | oh ok :) |
| 16:57.34 | buz | we might |
| 16:57.51 | buz | i dont care if gnuplot does render stuff, i just dont want to deal with its obscure CLI |
| 16:58.35 | PBeck | buz: you know a graphing calc for a linux pc, so that i can see what a graphing calc can do? |
| 16:59.29 | buz | not really |
| 16:59.36 | buz | kmplot is simple for simple graphs |
| 16:59.54 | buz | a Ti89 is really quite sophisticated |
| 17:03.20 | PBeck | buz: i test kmplot one moment :) |
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| 17:06.02 | PBeck | is kmplot a gui for gnuplot? |
| 17:07.34 | helb | PBeck: no (afaik) |
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| 17:09.27 | TRIsoft | gtg cu |
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| 17:10.23 | buz | i think its standalone |
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| 17:26.39 | PBeck | helb: ok |
| 17:26.43 | PBeck | ok buz |
| 17:29.20 | PBeck | i musst look at gnuplot once again |
| 17:29.22 | PBeck | :) |
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| 17:36.46 | Rakshasa | I can't wait to get the neo1973 so I can use it as a remote control for my mpd server... =P |
| 17:38.33 | Skrot | Will the OpenMoko work in europe? |
| 17:38.34 | aloril | Skrot: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:38.50 | zod | Skrot: why not? |
| 17:38.50 | aloril | zod: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:39.51 | Skrot | zod: Guess it depends on which GSM band it will use or something like that |
| 17:40.28 | Skrot | Found the info ini the FAQ like the bot sugguested though |
| 17:41.32 | balrog-kun | it would be strange if it worked everywhere except europe |
| 17:41.44 | Skrot | okay :) |
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| 17:43.42 | Rakshasa | quad-band is bound to work everywhere.. (possibly excluding the moon) ^^ |
| 17:44.08 | Rakshasa | s/moon/Moon/ |
| 17:44.22 | balrog-kun | i think most of the development happens in europe |
| 17:44.23 | Rakshasa | apt: Yep |
| 17:46.19 | Rakshasa | I'll start selling proof-reading services and (ab)using apt to do that. |
| 17:54.04 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Media_Player]] |
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| 18:01.09 | DukeOfURL | counter |
| 18:01.09 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 17:58:50 (10.749 +-7.0 days) (605) |
| 18:01.48 | DukeOfURL | any new info from Sean about the P1 production schedule? |
| 18:02.55 | SpeedEvil | No news is good news? |
| 18:04.01 | DerCorny | hopefully |
| 18:07.52 | parag0n | No news is NEVER good news |
| 18:10.06 | DukeOfURL | I'm really sorry they got sidetracked by the WiFi issue. |
| 18:11.09 | SpeedEvil | IMO. |
| 18:11.09 | SpeedEvil | I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one! |
| 18:11.10 | SpeedEvil | I am prepared to wait for built-in WIFI. |
| 18:11.47 | DukeOfURL | When we have metro WiFi or WiMax then WiFi on the phone will be an advantage. |
| 18:12.11 | SpeedEvil | Wifi isn't only for constant connectivity. |
| 18:12.25 | SpeedEvil | high bandwidth bursts, when available are also good. |
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| 18:13.09 | DukeOfURL | Right, but when the user wants to interact with his apps. then he'll need a connection. |
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| 18:13.58 | SpeedEvil | Not always. |
| 18:14.07 | SpeedEvil | Not if I'm reading RSS feeds |
| 18:14.10 | SpeedEvil | or /. |
| 18:14.19 | SpeedEvil | or catching up on usenet. |
| 18:14.48 | SpeedEvil | Even email. |
| 18:15.09 | DukeOfURL | Granted |
| 18:15.31 | SpeedEvil | Of course pervasive connectivity is much nicer. |
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| 18:23.17 | Elrond | counter |
| 18:23.18 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 17:36:42 (10.734 +-7.0 days) (606) |
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| 18:42.50 | dsp | any hints to order dates? I feel like a 10 year old on christmas... |
| 18:49.37 | Elrond | dap: |
| 18:49.38 | Elrond | counter |
| 18:49.39 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 17:10:21 (10.716 +-7.0 days) (607) |
| 18:49.54 | Elrond | dap - That's all we know. |
| 18:50.46 | dsp | aloril -- thanks |
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| 18:54.04 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Mystifo]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 18:59.14 | Elrond | aloril - I like your wiki script. :) |
| 19:07.41 | LarstiQ | and the counter one is nice too :) |
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| 19:11.16 | koen | that, or FIC needs engineers with bigger fingers ;) |
| 19:11.44 | TimRiker | patches welcome for apt/ibot/jbot/purl |
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| 19:16.51 | tigert | koen: that is what I really thought too |
| 19:16.57 | tigert | although no phone for me so far :) |
| 19:17.11 | tigert | the dpi is even higer than on n800 / 770 |
| 19:17.22 | tigert | yet the text size and widgets in the screenshots are even smaller |
| 19:17.41 | tigert | my experience is its very hard to design for a high dpi on a low dpi screen |
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| 19:18.04 | koen | that's because they still hardcode DPI to 100 |
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| 19:24.33 | Elrond | tigert - Yep. I hope the UI will get better. |
| 19:25.38 | tigert | yeah |
| 19:25.48 | tigert | having the actual devices helps a lot |
| 19:26.02 | tigert | we always make sure we view our design mockups on the N800 screen |
| 19:26.13 | koen | tigert: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=296 |
| 19:26.24 | tigert | even when knowing this, I make mistakes not realizing it is half the required size |
| 19:28.10 | tigert | sounds like a need fora HIG |
| 19:28.25 | tigert | like on gnome, most apps have Edit -> Preferences |
| 19:28.34 | tigert | even firefox on linux has that |
| 19:28.43 | tigert | what matters is consistency |
| 19:30.50 | Elrond | Yep. |
| 19:31.19 | Elrond | tigert - (haven't OM installed) I think, there's some Preferences setting to enlarge fonts. Does it work by now in OM? |
| 19:32.48 | tigert | I dont know |
| 19:33.03 | tigert | I just lurk here to try to make cross-project friends :) |
| 19:33.26 | tigert | on maemo we have too much hardcoded sizes legacy |
| 19:33.31 | koen | an 'enlarge fonts' buttons usually means someone screwed up the dpi settings |
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| 19:34.09 | tigert | but we're trying to fix that - although the stuff is larger in the first place - people are designing with a physical ruler rather than with pixel counts |
| 19:34.09 | tigert | which I think makes sense |
| 19:34.39 | koen | a 'finger sized' buttons should be the same size on every screen |
| 19:34.52 | koen | man, I sucks at singulars |
| 19:36.09 | Elrond | koen - Well, enlarge fonts makes sense for people with bad eyes. |
| 19:36.39 | koen | Elrond: right, I don't disagree with it being there |
| 19:36.59 | koen | but usually it's there for other reasons :( |
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| 19:43.11 | tigert | koen: yes |
| 19:43.21 | tigert | koen: we need a toolkit that uses points as units |
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| 19:43.27 | tigert | instead of pixels |
| 19:43.55 | tigert | many people request for a smaller font version of the plankton theme for mameo |
| 19:43.57 | tigert | maemo even |
| 19:44.11 | tigert | but I dont understand. I think those people mostly use their device while sitting at their computer desk anyway |
| 19:44.21 | tigert | for mobile use you need to be able to read text clearly |
| 19:44.42 | tigert | so it needs to be larger, it does not matter if you can fit N characters on the screen with 8 pixel font |
| 19:44.50 | tigert | what matters is physical size |
| 19:44.56 | tigert | of course for some uses a tiny font rocks |
| 19:45.01 | tigert | but for general things not |
| 19:47.02 | Elrond | tigert - Right! |
| 19:50.47 | Elrond | tigert - Is maemo bug #823 being worked on? |
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| 19:53.08 | noidd | hey tigert, ltns |
| 19:54.04 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Text_Input]] |
| 19:54.15 | noidd | shit |
| 19:55.40 | tigert | Elrond: I'll try to ask michael tomorrow |
| 19:55.48 | tigert | Elrond: or poke MDK yourself if you see him on #maemo |
| 19:55.54 | tigert | (or here :) |
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| 19:57.18 | Elrond | tigert - Hmm, is he in here sometimes? |
| 19:57.52 | tigert | yes |
| 19:58.11 | tigert | but I guess he is more active on #maemo |
| 19:58.18 | Elrond | Ahh. |
| 19:58.36 | tigert | but I know that we (as anyone else who has patches against gtk) wants to get rid of them |
| 19:58.42 | Elrond | I do care for that bug, because it makes compiling (running) maemo apps on the desktop lots easier. |
| 19:58.42 | tigert | and put them upstream as much as possible |
| 19:58.51 | tigert | yeah |
| 19:59.01 | tigert | what I would love to have |
| 19:59.10 | tigert | is ubuntu + maemo combo, |
| 19:59.19 | tigert | and one of those swivel-screen laptops |
| 19:59.25 | tigert | with touchscreen |
| 19:59.36 | Elrond | hehe :-) |
| 19:59.38 | tigert | ie, large notepad-sized tablet |
| 19:59.50 | tigert | I think it would make a lot of sense to use maemo-derived ui |
| 20:00.03 | Elrond | Yep. |
| 20:00.06 | tigert | since you really dont want draggable and resizeable windows on a mobile device |
| 20:00.21 | tigert | besides, most people use fullscreen apps on laptops also |
| 20:01.12 | SpeedEvil | I find my 10.9" laptop adequate for most. |
| 20:01.16 | SpeedEvil | And very portable. |
| 20:01.30 | Elrond | I don't use laptops at all. But that's another thing. ;) |
| 20:01.43 | SpeedEvil | I read quite a lot on it. |
| 20:01.55 | SpeedEvil | It's light enough to comfortably hold in one hand, propped up in bed. |
| 20:02.00 | SpeedEvil | Or resting on my chest. |
| 20:02.11 | Elrond | :-) |
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| 20:05.58 | tigert | I find myself using the n800 a lot |
| 20:06.08 | tigert | its addictive |
| 20:06.16 | tigert | its like gnome-terminal in my pocket |
| 20:06.28 | tigert | with awesomely antialiased, crisp text |
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| 20:44.33 | koen | tigert: I just installed plankton-theme, it's really nice |
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| 20:51.09 | hrw | koen: on n800? |
| 20:51.18 | koen | yes |
| 20:51.34 | koen | although I wish I did it before reflashing |
| 20:51.49 | koen | ~lart nokia for ignoring apt |
| 20:52.19 | hrw | tigert: black keyboard or white? |
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| 20:58.47 | hrw | tigert: plankton is 'n800 only' because it need os2007 or it need n800? |
| 20:59.19 | koen | os2007 |
| 20:59.33 | hrw | so it is not n800 only |
| 20:59.38 | koen | right |
| 20:59.48 | hrw | my 770 runs os2007on770 |
| 20:59.50 | koen | but even nokia can't figure out how to install os2007 on a 770 |
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| 21:10.42 | CoreDump|home | hmmm ~350¤ for the N800 ain't cheap |
| 21:11.04 | CoreDump|home | s/350/400 |
| 21:12.23 | hrw | CoreDump|home: I would not pay it |
| 21:12.50 | CoreDump|home | hrw: really? too bad, it looks quite interesting |
| 21:13.15 | hrw | due to rs-mmc cards my nokia770 is not even used as test ARM machine |
| 21:13.39 | CoreDump|home | what on earth is rc-mmc |
| 21:13.48 | alphaone | reduced size |
| 21:13.56 | hrw | yet another form of SD/MMC cards |
| 21:14.14 | CoreDump|home | hmmm |
| 21:14.16 | hrw | 512MB rs-mmc costs nearly same as 2GB SD/microSD |
| 21:14.25 | CoreDump|home | well that stinks |
| 21:14.44 | hrw | I do not know which device other then nokia770 use rs-mmc |
| 21:15.01 | hrw | CoreDump|home: rs-mmc is also called mmcmobile |
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| 21:16.51 | hrw | CoreDump|home: and nokia 770/n800 has worst flashing method from devices which I used |
| 21:17.10 | CoreDump|home | hehe what's so bad about it? |
| 21:17.11 | hrw | zaurus, neo, ipaq, simpad can be flashed from card on device. |
| 21:17.30 | hrw | nokia need to be connected to desktop and you need to run closed source application |
| 21:17.46 | CoreDump|home | eww |
| 21:20.03 | CoreDump|home | hrw: is that application at least available for Linux? :\ |
| 21:21.33 | hrw | it is |
| 21:22.15 | CoreDump|home | well, that's something I guess... |
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| 21:22.47 | hrw | anyway to get it usable you need to replace kernel with own one and/or add some modules |
| 21:22.56 | hrw | it does not support ext2... |
| 21:23.00 | gabaug | is MokoMakefile out of date? getting "mtn: error: branch org.openembedded.dev has multiple heads" |
| 21:23.39 | hrw | gabaug: this message is harmless for most of people |
| 21:23.49 | CoreDump|home | hrw: ouch |
| 21:24.11 | hrw | rwhitby: mtn update -r`mtn automate heads|head -n1` should do the trick |
| 21:24.29 | hrw | CoreDump|home: so I use c760 as my ARM test device instead of 770 |
| 21:24.39 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 21:25.11 | hrw | CoreDump|home: and forget about good feeds. |
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| 21:25.22 | hrw | CoreDump|home: it reminds sharprom |
| 21:25.45 | CoreDump|home | sheesh, what did Nokia do to this promising platform =( |
| 21:26.03 | empty_mind | is there some problem in accessing openmoko.org or my browser misbehaving? no content is downloaded into browser |
| 21:27.41 | gabaug | hrw: what do you mean harmless? it's stopping MokoMakefile from continuing |
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| 21:28.09 | CoreDump|home | empty_mind: works fine here |
| 21:28.21 | gabaug | hrw: I got "no db specified" and "missing argument to option r" running that |
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| 21:29.26 | hrw | gabaug: did I wrote 'for most of mokomakefile users'? |
| 21:30.04 | hrw | gabaug: here there are no multi heads |
| 21:30.14 | hrw | CoreDump|home: you used usb host on neo? |
| 21:30.47 | CoreDump|home | hrw: yeah |
| 21:31.04 | CoreDump|home | with hotplug like you. Works perfectly |
| 21:31.56 | gabaug | hrw: should I use your branch? |
| 21:32.04 | hrw | CoreDump|home: I mean usb host on neo. not neo as usb slave |
| 21:32.07 | gabaug | your head, I mean |
| 21:32.07 | CoreDump|home | gabaug: make update |
| 21:32.14 | hrw | gabaug: no, you need to update |
| 21:32.27 | CoreDump|home | hrw: oh, nahh. Didn't try that yet |
| 21:33.42 | hrw | ;( |
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| 21:33.59 | hrw | my neo is charging (again got to dead battery) |
| 21:34.04 | pennypuzza | hi all |
| 21:34.09 | CoreDump|home | hrw: argh |
| 21:34.14 | CoreDump|home | pennypuzza: hi |
| 21:34.37 | pennypuzza | how can i buy an openmoko? |
| 21:34.37 | aloril | pennypuzza: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 21:34.50 | hrw | CoreDump|home: but I have two batteries and external charger ;D |
| 21:35.00 | hrw | pennypuzza: you mean neo1973 phone? |
| 21:35.22 | pennypuzza | y hrw |
| 21:35.29 | CoreDump|home | hrw: that's cheating =D |
| 21:36.23 | hrw | CoreDump|home: thats the only way ;D |
| 21:36.28 | hrw | pennypuzza: read wiki |
| 21:36.28 | CoreDump|home | too bad the theme boggs down the CPU |
| 21:36.39 | pennypuzza | in september... |
| 21:36.43 | pennypuzza | too late! |
| 21:36.56 | CoreDump|home | hrw: not for me. I just never remove it from my notebooks USB port ;) |
| 21:37.01 | hrw | pennypuzza: end of march |
| 21:37.10 | pennypuzza | end of march for developers... |
| 21:37.19 | pennypuzza | im not a devel... |
| 21:37.19 | MacNorth_ | "FIC Neo1973 phone is more or less ready for developers. GTA01Bv4 will be shipped soon but it will not have WiFi." http://www.hrw.one.pl/2007/03/23/neo1973-and-wifi/ |
| 21:38.19 | hrw | then wait |
| 21:38.25 | pennypuzza | yes |
| 21:38.27 | pennypuzza | i will |
| 21:38.48 | MacNorth_ | "Phase-1 is targeted for developers but anyone can buy it." -- http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List |
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| 21:50.44 | CoreDump|home | hrw: It looks like I do now have a matching cable for USB host :\ |
| 21:51.27 | CoreDump|home | forget the cable, I need the plug =) |
| 21:53.00 | hrw | CoreDump|home: usb host from Z does not fit? |
| 21:53.07 | CoreDump|home | hrw: nope |
| 21:53.12 | hrw | ;( |
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| 21:58.33 | CoreDump|home | mickey|busy: you should probably ship a host cable w/ the P2 devices |
| 21:58.34 | hrw | CoreDump|home: I told that already to mickeyl and sean at fosdem |
| 21:58.34 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 21:58.34 | hrw | its <10 eur cable |
| 21:58.36 | hrw | I use nokia770 cable with neo iir |
| 21:58.36 | CoreDump|home | see? there's at least _one_ good use for a n770 =D |
| 21:58.37 | hrw | ;DDD |
| 21:58.54 | hrw | CoreDump|home: its 770 - without n |
| 21:59.15 | CoreDump|home | btw: using a BT <-> WIFI gateway is beyond geekieness |
| 21:59.29 | CoreDump|home | hrw: i see |
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| 22:00.33 | hrw | ~lart qemu |
| 22:00.35 | summatusmentis | are there any plans ever for openmoko to support a CDMA phone? I know FIC intends to announce more phones in sept. |
| 22:01.07 | mwester | s/follow's/follows/ |
| 22:01.09 | mwester | stupid bot |
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| 22:05.27 | hrw | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEKqU1fkYCI |
| 22:13.08 | mickeyl | i don't know whether the CDMA market is interesting enough, given that it fades (or doesn' it?) |
| 22:13.30 | SpeedEvil | I wonder what the market graph is like. |
| 22:13.40 | SpeedEvil | (of CDMA) |
| 22:13.47 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: :-/ bummer |
| 22:13.54 | summatusmentis | I hate living in rural US |
| 22:13.55 | Stephmw | mickeyl: I'd take a note of which company dropped all CDMA in the US recently |
| 22:14.23 | SpeedEvil | GSM's 15Km range is expensive in some places. |
| 22:14.45 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: the CDMA market graph is driven more by political economics than by anything else, and yes, CDMA has range advantages |
| 22:14.45 | mickeyl | i even don't know how CDMA operates. |
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| 22:14.57 | mickeyl | are the differences to GSM huge? on all layers or just MAC layer? |
| 22:15.00 | SpeedEvil | It's spread spectrum |
| 22:15.07 | SpeedEvil | versus packets sent in timeslots |
| 22:15.22 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: also, Qualcomm has a stranglehold on the tech |
| 22:15.25 | mickeyl | well |
| 22:15.33 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: which really puts other companies off |
| 22:15.37 | mickeyl | it depends on whether we would find a good GSM/CDMA module |
| 22:15.43 | SpeedEvil | GSM sends packets on allocated frequencies in timeslots determined by the tower. |
| 22:15.55 | SpeedEvil | CDMA sends all the time - but with different unique codes per phone. |
| 22:15.58 | SpeedEvil | AIUI. |
| 22:16.09 | Stephmw | can you have a dual-mode handset? |
| 22:16.16 | SpeedEvil | Don't see why not. |
| 22:16.21 | SpeedEvil | Don't know if anyoen does. |
| 22:16.22 | Stephmw | I don't mean technically |
| 22:16.39 | summatusmentis | GSM/CDMA? I'd buy it |
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| 22:17.15 | SpeedEvil | Question is - /window goto 2 |
| 22:19.00 | SpeedEvil | Question is is the CDMA market in the US crashing, or is it just one provider pulling out. |
| 22:19.12 | summatusmentis | whic provider pulled out? |
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| 22:21.45 | summatusmentis | bbiab |
| 22:23.38 | hrw | I do not think that someone make gsm/cdma modem in one |
| 22:24.31 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: it's not crashing, it's held up by qualcomm, and heavily backed by government |
| 22:24.42 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: it's a de-facto monopoly |
| 22:24.47 | hrw | UMTS/3G also mean qualcomm |
| 22:25.26 | Stephmw | hrw: yeah, I believe gsm/cdma are mutually exclusive from a license perspective |
| 22:28.34 | DukeOfURL | Does anyone know if PyGTK will be installable on the phone? |
| 22:28.42 | mickeyl | installable yes |
| 22:28.43 | DukeOfURL | on the Neo? |
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| 22:28.50 | mickeyl | whether it'll run in bearable speed is unclear yet |
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| 22:29.29 | hrw | not tested as my neo got battery flat again. |
| 22:29.40 | hrw | but battery is charging |
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| 22:37.41 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: what provider pulled out of the US market? |
| 22:38.13 | Elrond | hrw - Shouldn't it be charged in about 3 hours? |
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| 22:43.14 | hrw | Elrond: probably. anyway I have external charger for bl-5c batteries |
| 22:43.26 | Elrond | Ahh. |
| 22:44.11 | hrw | so one is in neo and second in charger |
| 22:46.15 | hrw | cu |
| 22:54.18 | mickeyl | hrw|gone |
| 22:54.32 | mickeyl | my dt14c only shows a green light when i add a FIC battery |
| 22:54.37 | mickeyl | even if the battery is empty |
| 22:54.43 | mickeyl | does yours behave the same? |
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| 23:08.09 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 12:51:50 (10.536 +-7.0 days) (608) |
| 23:08.33 | aevin | the final countdown!! :-) |
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