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00:11.27mewshihi
00:11.58CIA-16openmoko: 03mickey * r1463 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/data/Makefile.am: openmoko-panel-gsm: remove bogus stuff
00:13.23mewshi??? O-o
00:13.23alorilmewshi: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
00:14.01CIA-16openmoko: 03mickey * r1464 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-usb/ (15 files in 3 dirs): openmoko-panel-usb: add skeleton
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00:17.11mewshihi there :\
00:17.33SuNCIA-16 isn't particularly social.
00:18.04CIA-16openmoko: 03mickey * r1466 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gps/ (15 files in 3 dirs): openmoko-panel-gps: add skeleton
00:18.32mewshiso... anyway
00:18.35mewshihow is everyone?
00:18.46SpeedEvilmapping.
00:18.57mickeylshortly before bed
00:19.02mickeyljust adding a couple of skeletons
00:19.14mewshiskeletons? O-o
00:21.15CIA-16openmoko: 03mickey * r1467 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/devel/qmake/openmoko-include.pro: qmake: no longer need libmb
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00:23.14mewshiwhat's a skeleton?
00:24.08mickeyla bunch of files to get a new applet or program build, but without functionality
00:25.09CIA-16openmoko: 03mickey * r1468 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/ (11 files in 10 dirs): openmoko panel-plugins: misc. cleanups
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00:25.31mewshi??
00:25.34mewshiok :\
00:25.45mewshiso, anyway, this was on slashdot, right?
00:26.17SpeedEviloccasionally
00:26.26SpeedEvilIt hasn't really been slashdotted in a major way yet.
00:27.09greghuntwait for the channel userlist to double, and the intelligence to halve :)
00:27.56SpeedEvilThat would imply that /. users have exactly 0 IQ.
00:29.10rwhitbySpeedEvil: isn't that a well-known fact?
00:29.39rwhitbyyeah, but you're in the noise :-)
00:29.41greghuntdo you comment on it?
00:29.44SpeedEvilyes.
00:29.52SpeedEvilGenerally positive ratings.
00:30.17SpeedEvilI tend to try to comment on things that are contrary to physical reality.
00:30.22greghunthave you had your iq checked before and after?
00:30.40SpeedEvil<PROTECTED>
00:30.57SpeedEvilI notice that *chan has _really_ hurt my spelling.
00:31.14SpeedEvilWell - occasionally. I tend to lapse into phonetic spelling.
00:33.14CIA-16openmoko: 03ken_zhao * r1469 10/trunk/oe/packages/ipkg/files/is-processing.patch: Fix "Size" field missing while installing local ipk file.
00:38.03CIA-16openmoko: 03mickey * r1470 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/libmokoui/libmokoui.pro: openmoko-libs: yank libmb dependency
00:41.26mickeylg'night folks
00:41.33rwhitbymickeyl: is OM forking ipkg?
00:41.45mickey|zzZZzzno, we submit patches
00:42.05rwhitbyok, so a temporary svn overlay - no probs.
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01:04.18CIA-16openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1471 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-keyboard/Makefile.am: Change the matchbox to openmoko
01:04.40CIA-16openmoko: 03zecke * r1472 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/src/main.c:
01:04.40CIA-16openmoko: openmoko-rssreader: At least stop the TreeView columns from growing
01:04.40CIA-16openmoko:  Give 1/2 of the space to Subject and the other to the Date. Normally
01:04.40CIA-16openmoko:  one would give more space to the subject and less to the date but this
01:04.41CIA-16openmoko:  is not as easy.
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01:31.13rwhitbyoooh - zecke with OM svn access :-)
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04:54.05aloril2|not_new_testing if it sees this as same nick?
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05:02.59alorilNeo1973 schematics might be "liberated" at some point: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/neo1973-hardware/2007-March/000008.html
05:09.52peepsalotcounter?
05:09.53alorilhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: devices shipped at 2007-03-05; a week, 5 days 06:50:07 (12.285 +-7.0 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-04-02);  5 months, 3 weeks, 4 days (178.285 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (592)
05:09.57alorilNeo1973 is very loud: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/neo1973-hardware/2007-March/000029.html
05:11.38aloril(P0 message changed to P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review )
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05:35.26CIA-16openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1475 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-mainmenu/src/mainmenu.c: small modify
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05:47.33boibluhello
05:47.37boibluanyone here?
05:47.37alorilboiblu: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
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06:05.54uplinkedmight be a silly question, but i'm interested in developing for phase 1, when applicable- do i have to "do anything" to register as a "developer", or will the phone just be available to anyone with the gusto/cash/know-how to buy one?
06:05.54aloriluplinked: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
06:08.45alorilfaq has good list of 'requirements', basically only requirement that is checked is $350 ;-)
06:09.38uplinkedneat, thanks :) not exactly hoping to write a bootloader, i'm new to embeded dev, but looks like this would be a neat place to start for me. consider me excited
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06:31.05CIA-16openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1476 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-mainmenu/src/ (mainmenu.c mokoiconview.c mokoiconview.h): fix cursor item error bug
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06:52.03alorilcool
06:53.07aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation]]
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07:02.41rwhitbyso now I can develop on the run, using the keboard on the treo to develop stuff on the neo
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07:03.12rwhitbyI call it "neotreo" development :-)
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07:05.09xkr47:)
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07:43.22tigertkoen: the panel dep from geoclue should be fixed
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07:43.38koentigert: ah, cool
07:45.15tigertor so keith said, didnt try myself yet (on bus with N800 now :)
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07:47.50tigertso its a bit hard to build things from svn
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07:53.08aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]]
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08:50.08Hopscotchgood morning
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08:53.08aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]]
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10:06.08aloril(script) openmoko-devel: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: Calculator for OpenMoko
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10:52.52CIA-16openmoko: 03dodji * r1477 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
10:52.52CIA-16openmoko: Make TodayEventsArea update itself when events and tasks get edited in e-d-s.
10:52.52CIA-16openmoko:  * applications/openmoko-today/src/today-events-area.[c|h]:
10:52.52CIA-16openmoko:  Port this over the ECalView API. This allows updating the
10:52.52CIA-16openmoko:  interface whenever an event or todo item is added to
10:52.55CIA-16openmoko:  or deleted from e-d-s.
10:52.57CIA-16openmoko:  Basically, after calling today_events_area_new(),
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11:05.44CIA-16openmoko: 03thomas * r1478 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard/gtk-2.0/ (openmoko-today today-background.png):
11:05.44CIA-16openmoko: * Cleanup openmoko-today gtkrc
11:05.44CIA-16openmoko: * Add openmoko-today background
11:09.59aloril(script) openmoko-neo1973: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: howto obtain the hardware for testing purposes
11:09.59aloril(script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Problem with battery charging
11:09.59aloril(script) openmoko-neo1973: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: Problem with battery charging
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11:12.07aloril(just added neo1973 hardware list)
11:12.21Ganneffeww
11:17.36Stephmwmornin'
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11:19.07alorilStephmw: morning
11:19.28alorilGanneff: charging problems are for Phase 0 devices, hopefully no problems in Phase 1 devices
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11:52.47zeckemickey|zzZZzz: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showbuilds.pl?tree=OpenMoko :)
11:54.16hrwzecke: nice
11:56.25SpeedEvilThe 'only charge at 100mA on dumb charger' needs to be configurable.
11:56.32zeckemickey|zzZZzz: Al's favorite color is red but ttf-dejavu is broken for days
11:57.38Elrondcounter
11:57.39alorilhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 5 days 00:02:21 (12.002 +-7.0 days) (593)
11:58.33ElrondSpeedEvil - Any idea how the Bv04 charger works? Does it include an usb-host-chip?
11:59.08alorilSpeedEvil: you can change it after boot, but I guess you mean configuring automatic charging
11:59.15SpeedEvilYes.
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11:59.56SpeedEvilIncluding a charger with a USB peripheral is broken.
12:00.03SpeedEvilWell - requiring.
12:00.22SpeedEvilIt needs to be able to charge off dumb chargers.
12:00.51SpeedEvilIf there is a USB host on the other end, fine, let it tell us if there is enough power.
12:01.02SpeedEvilIf there isn't, then assuming 500mA is reasonable.
12:01.27ElrondYeah.
12:01.47ElrondSo the v04 charger plays the role of a real host?
12:01.49mjr*nod*
12:02.04SpeedEvilI'm assuming that it's got a peripheral chip of some sort in.
12:02.13SpeedEvilAs that'd be cheaper.
12:03.45Elrond"peripheral chip"?
12:04.01SpeedEvila device
12:04.03SpeedEvilUSB device
12:04.08hrwmy usb wall chargers can give 1000mA
12:04.31SpeedEvilyes - but they have no way of communicting that to USB peripherals in a standards compliant way.
12:05.02SpeedEvilWhat's supposed to happen when you plug it in is that the host connects to the device, and asks for its descriptor.
12:05.18SpeedEvilThis must under the standard be doable at 100mA power.
12:05.28SpeedEvilthen this descriptor is read - which may ...
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12:06.32SpeedEviltell the host that some configurations of the device want more than 100mA
12:06.53SpeedEvilif so, and the host is happy to enable it, it tells the device 'configuration x selected'
12:07.11SpeedEviland then on hearing that, the device can switch up the current demand.
12:07.30SpeedEvilThis is so stuff plugged into unpowered hubs doesn't crash the bus.
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12:10.07alorilSpeedEvil: modify /etc/rc.local (doesn't seem to have that though) to add it ;-)
12:10.09ElrondYeah.
12:10.37ElrondThe logical assumption is, that the neo charger has to emulate an usb host.
12:10.56SpeedEvilNot really.
12:11.05SpeedEvilIf it's only for the neo, it can simply be a device.
12:11.09SpeedEvil(which is cheaper)
12:11.23ElrondThen the neo has to enable its host part.
12:11.47ElrondAnd I still haven't understood, how that works "safely".
12:11.54Stephmwif the comms from the charger to the neo is always the same... why bother with a usb host/client chip at all?
12:11.55SpeedEvilIt works safely.
12:12.03SpeedEvilIn terms that it won't explode stuff.
12:12.26SpeedEvilThe lines are all protected from that.
12:12.55ElrondSo connecting two hosts does not explode anything?!
12:13.07SpeedEvilIt may - if they both supply power.
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12:13.11SpeedEvilbut not if they don't.
12:13.30SpeedEvilBut the neo doesn't.
12:14.02ElrondHmm.
12:14.37SpeedEvilI think you may get 'can't read device descriptor' in the logs a few times if you do this - on the host.
12:14.49SpeedEvilon connected together hosts that is.
12:15.06ElrondSo u-boot (or the kernel) would need to switch between host/client once every X ms.  host to query the neo charger, client to talk to a PC and get charged (and tty).
12:16.07SpeedEvilI dunno.
12:16.37SpeedEvilThe right thing to do is probably to on plugged in from off, switch off, and set a RTC interrupt for 30s time.
12:16.54SpeedEviland charge at 100mA for this time.
12:17.16SpeedEvilMaybe 'bleep' then switch off.
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12:17.42ElrondWait. Having a mini-B plug, which has a client on the other side isn't compliant with the specs either. So the neo charger wouldn't be better than non-compliant chargers?
12:17.44SpeedEvilTo eliminate reboot loops.
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12:18.04SpeedEvilI dunno - it might have a host on.
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12:18.33SpeedEvilOr simply a couple of resistors that the neo port can read in some way.
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12:18.57SpeedEvilLogically, you might want a smarter charger, that you can plug into the wall, and plug in devices and hosts.
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12:19.23SpeedEvilSo you can plug a printer into the charger, and the neo, and print stuff.
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12:21.26SpeedEvilOr - maybe simpler - it could just be 7V
12:21.39SpeedEvilif the power supply is 7V, it always fast charges.
12:22.02SpeedEvil(though it could also fast charge on 5V - 7V would be an easy signal)
12:22.03ElrondThat wouldn't be usb spec compliant either?
12:22.15koen|labheh
12:22.19SpeedEvilOh yes - it would explode other stuff you plug it into.
12:22.21koen|lab'usb spec compliant'
12:22.22SpeedEvilthat would be bad.
12:22.30SpeedEvil:)
12:22.57guaqua"neo charger destroys mp3-players"
12:22.58Elrondkoen|lab - The whole story is about "being compliant".
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12:23.11Elrondguaqua - Wouldn't be good marketing, I guess. ;)
12:23.14guaquabad publicity ;)
12:23.17koen|labElrond: "compliant" is a funny word in the usb world
12:23.39Elrondkoen|lab - Well, for low level there exists specs. ;)
12:23.40koen|labbeing "compliant" == donating money to the usb org
12:24.26Elrondkoen|lab - BTW: My dad likes that "SIM in a can" can.  He even asked me, if I could order one for fun. ;o)
12:24.45koen|lab:)
12:25.01koen|labif you like you fingers getting sliced to pieces, it's fun
12:25.03ElrondDo you still have the empty can? ;o)
12:25.15guaquawhat is the sim in a can anyway? :D
12:25.22SpeedEvilI'm guessing:
12:25.26SpeedEvilIt's a SIM in a can.
12:25.28Elrondguaqua - Look at planet.openmoko.org
12:25.38koen|labhttp://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/sim-in-a-can
12:25.40guaquai've seen it, but is there something to it? :D
12:26.10Elrondguaqua - Well, I guess, you go in the supermarket, buy the can, open it and have a prepaid SIM in there.
12:26.17koen|labElrond: I threw away the can
12:26.31guaquafreaky, i say
12:26.40Elrondkoen|lab - Okay, so my dad wont get it. ;)
12:26.49SpeedEvilHey.
12:26.53SpeedEvilOpportunity!
12:26.59SpeedEvilThe neo'd fit in that can!
12:27.54ElrondSpeedEvil - Yeah, my girl friend said "Telefon aus der Dose" (phone from the can) ;)
12:28.36koen|labyou could even make a neo1800 with two cans and a piece of string ;)
12:29.09CMHehe
12:29.10guaquakoen|lab: easier to use telephone
12:30.02Elrondkoen|lab - *lol*
12:30.21TRIsoftAnd no problems with battery lifetime...
12:30.27TRIsoftI like the idea
12:30.43koen|labI should build one and send a pic to sean
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12:35.11guaquamickey wakes up, it's 1 in the afternoon :)
12:35.46xkr47good morning mickeyl :)
12:36.33Elrondkoen|lab - Post your neo1800 pics to flickr! ;)
12:36.38Stephmwhi xkr47, mickeyl ;)
12:36.44xkr47hi Stephmw :)
12:37.09xkr47is neo1800 some retro version (as compared to neo1973) :)
12:37.25Stephmwkoen|lab: btw, someone was busy at the beginning of this week to get jamvm+classpath into the oe buildsystem
12:37.41koen|labStephmw: poor guy
12:37.41Stephmwkoen|lab: the neo wasn't specifically mentioned iirc
12:37.57koen|labStephmw: http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages/jamvm
12:38.09koen|labStephmw: http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages/classpath
12:38.11mickeylmorning guys
12:38.19mickeylhmm too much red in tinderbox
12:38.22TRIsoftmorning mickeyl
12:38.23guaquahas someone already replied to that one guy on the lists asking for java?
12:38.29mickeylno
12:38.30Stephmwkoen|lab: bit puzzling
12:38.35mickeyli don't know what i should answer, honestly
12:38.37guaquai can reply to him something, if there is some insight into this
12:38.44Stephmwhaven't read the mail
12:38.45hrwbut first ipkg upgrade
12:39.02koen|lab"the java dudes are making lots of noise, but apparently produce nothing"
12:39.18Stephmwthe Gsoc thing?
12:39.26guaquaand i also think getting full java support to the phone would enable some pretty serious developers to be able to tinker with stuff
12:39.27mickeylthere is no plan yet, but we welcome work on that. we directly have not that much of an interest to recreate a java environment on an open phone -- alas, we like native apps, that's why we created OpenMoko...
12:39.42Elrondxkr47 - 13:28 <koen|lab> you could even make a neo1800 with two cans and a piece of string ;)
12:39.44zeckemickeyl: my MokoTreeView plan did not work out
12:39.45guaquamickeyl: do you write or?
12:39.51mickeylguaqua: please go ahead
12:39.57guaquaokay, will do
12:39.59Stephmwmickeyl: my only interest atm for java on openmoko is for j2me game support
12:40.10zeckemickeyl: reimplementing size_allocate will not work as I would call gtk_view_column_set_fixed_width which queue a resize for the treeview
12:41.21Stephmwhmmm... is Sebastian Mancke in here?
12:42.00koen|labmickeyl: classpath-gtk + java-openmoko bindings
12:43.00guaquakoen|lab: classpath + jamvm is some kind of implementation already?
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12:43.35koen|labguaqua: I don't know about what it does, I just crosscompile it :)
12:43.49Stephmwguaqua: jamvm is the virtual machine portion
12:43.57Stephmwguaqua: classpath is the core java libraries
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12:44.25Stephmwguaqua: jamvm is only an interpreted vm though, so it's not spectacularly fast
12:44.41Stephmwguaqua: another one to consider would be CacaoVM which has an arm JIT
12:44.50Stephmwguaqua: it also uses the classpath core libs
12:45.09Stephmwguaqua: it depends on what you're after... J2SE or J2ME?
12:45.19guaquai'll collect these to the e-mail i'm sending to that guy. cc is going to framework-devel...or should it go to distro-devel?
12:45.49StephmwI'm on neither
12:45.57Stephmwfeel free to CC me in
12:46.02Stephmwsteph@tangency.co.uk
12:46.27guaquai'm not on community
12:46.31guaquai
12:46.40guaquai'm afraid it's too much traffic :S
12:46.57Stephmwaye - I rarely have the time to keep up myself :(
12:47.42StephmwI'd say, all interested people should get onto IRC, much easier
12:47.42guaquaStephmw: agreed
12:48.06koen|labhttp://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-March/000748.html
12:51.12hrw~curse koen for topposting without removing quotes
12:51.17aptMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, koen for topposting without removing quotes !
12:51.30koen|labhehe
12:51.39guaquahaha
12:51.40hrwkoen|lab: its lame and annoying
12:51.51koen|labhrw: well, that was on purpose
12:51.59koen|labI tried to be as java as possible
12:52.06tigert;)))
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12:52.31xkr47Elrond, ok :)
12:52.58guaquai just love gmail
12:52.59aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Phase_0]]
12:53.25hrwmickeyl: updated task-openmoko pushed. it contain changes requested by OH guys
12:53.43mickeylk, thanks
12:54.02buzi actually once had a guy complain about me putting my reply to the bottom
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12:54.30tigertkoen|away: you should have colored your text #0000ff also
12:56.22CIA-16openmoko: 03mickey * r1480 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-panel-plugins/ (8 files):
12:56.22CIA-16openmoko: oe: add recipes for openmoko-panel-[bt|usb|gps]
12:56.22CIA-16openmoko: NOTE: They should build, but are only skeletons at this point of time
12:56.34guaquatigert: what is the current progress of gpsd "connection" in geoclue?
12:58.01tigertguaqua: it is work in progress
12:58.07tigertI think it expects to have a gpsd running
12:58.22tigerton n800 for example there is some framework to kick it up when needed
12:58.22ElrondHas anyone made the gps say a single byte by now?
12:58.38SpeedEvilAllegedly, global locate had it working.
12:58.55tigertguaqua: what is needed is more apps that start to use geoclue so we can figure out what works for different needs
12:58.58ElrondSpeedEvil - Yeah, months ago. ;)
12:59.04guaquatigert: so it's been started already
12:59.12tigertguaqua: see svn
12:59.16tigertthere are several backends now
12:59.19tigertand one is gpsd
12:59.21guaquayes
12:59.28tigertI havent had time to play with it yet, but I think it should work
12:59.56tigertthe idea is to have some method to choose the best backend from what works at the given time, but I dont know id that is done yet
13:00.02guaquai have idea about using geoclue as the "where am i and what should the phone do now"-framework
13:00.07SpeedEvilLinear Non_Physical route  pub_crawl :)
13:00.08guaqua+an
13:00.08tigertyeah
13:00.13SpeedEviloops
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13:00.36tigertguaqua: "never set my timezone by hand again"
13:00.52tigertguaqua: or "just show me my fricken weather without asking stupid things"
13:01.00guaquabut it also includes pretty specific additions to geoclue. mostly the yet-completely-undetailed plan about "my places"-backedn
13:01.01SpeedEvilGPS pretty much works for timezone.
13:01.05ElrondWhat is geoclue?
13:01.27tigertElrond: http://live.gnome.org/GeoClue
13:01.32tigerta dbus service for location
13:01.38guaquaso for example you could do stupid "add this place" to "my places" database
13:01.42tigertthe idea was to abstract the source
13:01.54tigertso you could write your app location-aware without thinking NMEA or gpsd
13:02.02guaquaand depending on the data it would somehow make a fuzzy collection of data
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13:02.15guaquaand create an entry into the database
13:02.29tigertguaqua: bergie is planning to do the python / maemo plazer app as a geoclue backend for example
13:02.42tigertplazes.com has one database
13:02.47tigertwith social side as well
13:02.55guaquabut also being able to specify "when i'm connected to this network" it would know the place
13:02.56tigertie, it knows places other people have already tagged
13:02.59ElrondAhh
13:03.08Sup3rkiddoam getting an  error like so "Cannot create C executables", for gtk-fb...any workarounds?
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13:03.38guaquatigert: that's not of much use to my specific application, but rather using geoclue we could get implement the framework in general
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13:03.47tigertguaqua: yeah
13:03.56guaquaget to implement, i meant to say
13:03.58tigertanyway, there's #geoclue on irc.gimp.org if people are interested
13:04.07ElrondI'm still looking for some mapping app. To walk around mark points, average the current position and save the result, that sort of thing.
13:04.24tigertwe try to raise this geolocation and geostandards (georss) etc awareness on free software projects
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13:04.43tigertElrond: maemo mapper could be ported to openmoko I guess?
13:04.51tigertits pretty nice
13:05.58ElrondOnce I saw someone, who wanted to do that.
13:06.12ElrondDoes maemo mapper work on "the desktop" out of the box?
13:06.20Elrond(as openmoko apps do)
13:06.40koen|labElrond: if 'openmoko apps' is your standard, yes
13:06.58koen|labmeamo-mapper requires hildons-libs (but you can patch those out)
13:07.30xkr47"he was completely patched out"
13:08.07tigert:)
13:08.20ElrondHmm.
13:08.24hrwsomeone know how to add entries into usb.ids?
13:08.26tigertwe should just have "embedded-libs"
13:08.36tigertinstead of different versions of this gnome-based stack :)
13:09.00ElrondDoes projects.om.o work?
13:09.18koen|labtigert: we should start making embedded cluebats for all the gtk and libgnome* maintainers
13:09.20hrwuf. its clean text
13:09.37tigertyes
13:09.53ElrondSo we could start openmoko mapper there?
13:09.56tigertwithout forgetting cairo :)
13:09.59koen|labtigert: it's infuriating that gnome launches and 'embedded initiative' but refuses to look at patches for embedded stuff
13:10.01tigertwell
13:10.14koen|labtigert: the cairo people actually have a clue
13:10.21tigertElrond: or start openmoko ui option in the main project?
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13:10.29tigertkoen|lab: yea, I heard it got lotsa better
13:10.36tigertie, the bat worked.
13:10.38tigert:)
13:10.46Elrondtigert - Or that, if the main project listens.
13:10.49koen|labtigert: only for cairo and hall
13:10.53tigertElrond: try asking?
13:10.53koen|lab-l
13:10.59tigertElrond: the problem is one thing: maemo-mapper.c
13:11.11tigertits one file :)
13:11.23koen|labsomeone with eclips or emacs could split it up in 10 minutes
13:11.28tigertyeah
13:11.46hrwBus 003 Device 008: ID 1457:5122 FIC Neo1973 kernel usbnet (g_ether, RNDIS) Mode
13:11.51koen|labor 3 months and get $4500 ;)
13:12.06tigert:)
13:12.19hrwmuch better now
13:12.21tigertbut I think we should really try building bridges
13:12.32tigertsince this is a common battle towards the mainstream gnome / gtk
13:12.50mickeylthe problem is one a much larger scale
13:12.54mickeyli read a posting that impressed me
13:12.58mickeyllet me dig it out
13:12.59tigertit would be good to have a common "embedded" mode for gtk that does what we need
13:13.08tigertmickeyl: ok
13:13.44mickeylhttp://blogs.gnome.org/view/uraeus/2007/03/15/1
13:13.52mickeyland there the posting from
13:13.58mickeylMeener R
13:14.04mickeylthis guy really has a point
13:14.32mickeylit may sound a bit esoteric for john doe hacker, but this is the future
13:14.46mickeyland we better start working on something like that sooner than later
13:14.55mickeylto prevent all these reinventing interfaces for the Api de Jour
13:16.18mickeylplain-gtk, gnome, maemo, openmoko is just the beginning... eventually we get more and more frameworks and then we really lose if we don't come up with something more fancy
13:16.41tigertyeah
13:17.00tigertalthough I dont think such a layer can fix everything
13:17.14koen|labmickeyl: like the etk namespacing?
13:17.19tigertbut for starters having a CSS-like capabilities where theme would define paddings and not the app
13:17.23tigertwould do wonders already
13:17.32empty_mindmickeyl, just out of cursity, why was gtk chosen for openmoko instead of qtopia ?
13:17.37koen|labtigert: install qt 4.2 ;)
13:17.40mickeylempty_mind: licensing
13:17.49mickeylempty_mind: and quality
13:17.56koen|laband i18n?
13:17.59mickeyldunno
13:18.02tigertmickeyl: but with QT it would already be done!!! :)
13:18.09mickeylno kidding
13:18.11mickeyli love Qt
13:18.22mickeylbut Qtopia is about exclusive-framebuffer access
13:18.30mickeyland that's not free enough for us
13:19.28mickeyland that's about all i can say :)
13:19.32tigert;)
13:19.44tigertthe toolkit shouldnt matter anyway
13:19.56tigertwhat is needed is a common look and feel and behaviour
13:20.12mickeylya. and you can do this with every toolkit. just some take more time than others to realize that
13:20.12hrwqtopia suxx
13:20.18tigertand a sane tools to develop programs easily
13:20.23hrwhttp://www.hrw.one.pl/2007/03/22/hotpluging-usbnet/
13:20.56tigertmickeyl: but I think Joe Buck has another good point in that thread
13:21.15tigertmickeyl: doing this semantic layer on gtk is a great opportunity to royally fsck things up :)
13:21.29tigert"lets do it in XML over dbus!" :^)
13:22.19StephmwXUL anyone?
13:22.33zeckemickeyl: build failed
13:23.53zeckemickeyl: please mirror this http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/dejavu-ttf-2.15.tar.bz2
13:25.27CIA-16openmoko: 03mickey * r1484 10/trunk/oe/conf/site.conf: oe/site.conf: switch to belnet.sf.net which apparantly has more files than heanet
13:25.30mickeylzecke: try now
13:26.05zeckemickeyl: your commit just scheduled a rebuild
13:26.35zeckemickeyl: oh and I hate SRCDATE = "now" as it degrades parsing speed even more
13:26.54mickeylyeah
13:27.05mickeylnothing i can do now
13:27.17mickeyltoday wasn't schedule as openmoko day anyway
13:27.23mickeylso i really need to do something else
13:27.24mickeyll8er
13:27.29zeckemickeyl: cya :)
13:29.08koen|labzecke: INHERIT += "angstrom-mirrors"
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13:40.28Sup3rkiddolol
13:41.03koen|labso the people with the skills are under NDA and the rest jsut makes noise
13:43.14woglindekoehn hm?
13:44.12guaquaafter all, this hasn't been done before within an open source project
13:44.31prpplaguekoen|lab: what are you refering to?
13:44.38guaquaso silence is to be expected when people might actually not be used to working on those issues in the open source context
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13:51.40Stephmwguaqua: check out my tatoos:
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13:55.26guaquaStephmw: :(
13:56.17Stephmwguaqua: although I'm thinking of no longer doing j2me as a job, I prefered doing it as a hobby, more fun
13:56.57guaquakoen|lab: also, the short-sighted priorities of the community (i.e. i wanna do hello world in java/python/ruby) are not addressed because the devs would rather do the stuff they are paid for, working on the hardware to take the project forward
13:57.07guaquaStephmw: it always is
13:59.00woglindehm "hello world" runs with phoneme
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14:03.50koen|labguaqua: it means that terrence bar and chris heiny as loudmouthed do-nothings
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14:20.54abraxa__koen|away: Isn't that what an "evangelist" is supposed to be? At least that's what I always thought...
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14:23.14aloril'keyboard' unlocking gesture could be unique for every user
14:23.22alorilyou get it right -> unlocked
14:23.31alorilyou get it wrong -> 'type' pin
14:23.51aloril(but of course still allow emergency phone calls)
14:27.47wookiefacecounter
14:27.48alorilhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 21:32:12 (11.897 +-7.0 days) (595)
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14:28.13guaquahex keyboard would be nice thing to have too
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14:32.59aevinguaqua: "hello world" in (/with) GSM more important than "hello world" in python/java ;-)
14:33.05aevin+is
14:33.35guaquawhy not do the python bindings first!!1
14:34.12alorilumm.. aren't they partially done for mokolibs too? (gtk, etc.. already have them)
14:34.41guaquayes, but there are no applications or reference yet (not saying there should be yet, just pointing out)
14:35.16guaquazecke was able to get the window showing, but there was a problem with the tree stuff
14:35.22alorilprint "Hello world!"
14:35.35alorilnow there is python hello world application for openmoko too ;-)
14:35.43guaqua:)
14:35.51guaquawhere would that print it? :)
14:35.57alorilconsole
14:36.02guaquaaww
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15:25.51zeckehttp://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showlog.pl?machine_id=190&logfile=20070322145030.log&page=102
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15:39.16CIA-16openmoko: 03thomas * r1486 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
15:39.16CIA-16openmoko: * src/Makefile.am:
15:39.16CIA-16openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (today_update_date), (today_setup_events_area),
15:39.16CIA-16openmoko: (create_ui):
15:39.16CIA-16openmoko: * src/xutil.c:
15:39.18CIA-16openmoko: * src/xutil.h:
15:39.20CIA-16openmoko: Add --enable-desktop option
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15:44.17broedjehi
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15:45.20broedjehow high does an agenda vr3 fly?
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15:48.28zeckemickey_away: I will try to find out why attachment fail (you will be swamped with mail)
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15:55.02CIA-16openmoko: 03thomas * r1487 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (ChangeLog src/xutil.c src/xutil.h):
15:55.02CIA-16openmoko: * src/xutil.c:
15:55.03CIA-16openmoko: * src/xutil.h:
15:55.03CIA-16openmoko: Add license headers. These files were taken from matchbox-panel-2.
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16:17.38alorilOpenMako ;-) http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/reflections/20070319-00.html
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16:19.42alorilhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 19:40:18 (11.820 +-7.0 days) (596)
16:24.24SpeedEvilaloril: Hieromancy?
16:25.05makoaloril: that's me
16:25.45alorilSpeedEvil: just guessing of when harald returns
16:25.52SpeedEvilAh.
16:26.08alorilie.. I assume there will be some mail or blog post after this week at Taiwan ( http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/03/18#20070318-one_week_of_taipeh )
16:26.37buzi hope post about having found wifi chipset
16:27.00SpeedEvilThat'll be P1+ though
16:27.18buzi know
16:27.22alorilyes, but there could be info about that too
16:27.26vmasterSpeedEvil: lol... first i wondered why neither my favorite translator nor longman's DCE knew that word, but after looking it up on wikipedia things became clear... :)
16:27.28buzbut if they find one, i think i'd wait for p1+
16:27.30SpeedEvilunless they got insanely lucky, and found a compatible BT/wifi USB thing in exactly the right...
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16:28.24alorilhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 19:31:36 (11.814 +-7.0 days) (597)
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16:28.55alorilhmm.. how long additional time you would wait for P1 if there was possibility of it getting wifi?
16:29.33buza few months
16:29.33SpeedEvilPractically.
16:29.56SpeedEvilit would be at least 2-4 weeks for even the simplist substitution.
16:30.06buzbut in any case, i rather get the faster CPU AND wifi
16:30.09SpeedEvilI would expect more like 4-6.
16:30.19buznooow, i might still buy the P1 phone if the upgrade deal is sweet enough
16:30.43vmasterheh, just how sweet is sweet enough?
16:30.45SpeedEvilI have gotten interested in OSM.
16:30.55SpeedEvilAnd a decent GPS would be nice.
16:31.41buzsay 50% off p1+
16:32.41SpeedEvilSome of it may be recyclable - the display for example.
16:33.38buzsomehow i dont see me sending in a phone and then get a new one at some later poitn
16:36.35unknown_lamerif the phone has bt2 what is the point of wifi really?
16:36.45unknown_lamerjust set up one of those little bridging networks in your house
16:36.55SpeedEvilRange sucks.
16:37.01SpeedEvil10m IIRC.
16:37.06mjrunknown_lamer, access to existing wifi access points
16:37.06SpeedEvilin practice, half that.
16:37.32alphaoneDoes bt have roaming/hand over between different APs?
16:37.32unknown_lamermjr: battery life?
16:37.46unknown_lamerI used a pda with wifi and it went south after about an hour which made it useless
16:37.55SpeedEvilit's not _quite_ that bad.
16:37.56alorilthis is how non net neutrality will be used: to block competition: http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/3/16/18836/6765
16:37.57mjrof course battery will last longer with bt
16:38.11SpeedEvilwifi is at worst half a watt.
16:38.16mjrI'm not a wifi fanatic, I'll be quite happy with gprs and bt, I just noted that it's a reason
16:38.18aloril(actual blog http://www.orient-lodge.com/node/2213 )
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16:38.33unknown_lamerI think edge makes more sense than wifi for a feature upgrade
16:38.42unknown_lamerthen you get faster connectivity *everywhere*
16:38.52SpeedEvilFor often insanely high prices.
16:39.14SpeedEvilWifi will use at most around a sixth of the battery power per hour.
16:39.44SpeedEvilI have credit problems.
16:39.46mjrunknown_lamer, yeah, and I pay 10 euros, but we're lucky ones
16:39.49SpeedEvilSo getting a contract is hard.
16:40.00alorilhmm.. actually edge would be same flat price here, so it would be nice
16:40.01unknown_lamerI have no credit and got my plan when I was barely 18
16:40.10SpeedEvilI have _bad_ credit.
16:40.21SpeedEvilas in a long list of red in my credit report.
16:40.30SpeedEvilMainly due to health - but still.
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16:40.53SpeedEvilSo initially I'm going to be paying $0.1/K
16:41.14unknown_lamersucks
16:41.47SpeedEvilAnnoyingly, 37 quid a month would get me a nice handset, and unlimited transfer.
16:42.16StephmwSpeedEvil: I'm on 25/month and I still think that's extortionate
16:42.17SpeedEvilI suppose I could look for one that has good ebay value and can be unlocked easily.
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16:42.37SpeedEvilOh - it's extortionate.
16:42.51SpeedEvilmjr: Nice plan.
16:43.21SpeedEvil'Would like to meet linux geek girl, you get free linux phone'.
16:43.27SpeedEvil:)
16:43.45mjrhaha
16:44.01unknown_lamerI figure I can just use the neo I get soon as a bike computer when I get the upgraded one
16:44.04mjrnow that's a nice plan, luckily my linux geekess is preobtained
16:44.30SpeedEvilI'm unsure if the backlight will be good enough.
16:45.29unknown_lamerI ride more at night as I am strange and like to cheat death continually
16:45.38empty_mindLuis_F, there ?
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16:45.52aloril(in above links though those "free conference calls" companies are shady too though)
16:46.11SpeedEvilAh.
16:46.18SpeedEvil2.8" display, riding at night.
16:46.26SpeedEvilI think cheating death may get harder.
16:47.17unknown_lamermostly for passive gps data collection
16:47.42unknown_lamerI wish I could score a tomtom map card for cheap to see if I could pull the map data from it
16:48.38buzafaik you can, someone told me you can get the maps from P2P
16:48.44buzso there is some way to pull the maps
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16:49.10vmasterwell, it's not really a problem to get the map data, it's a matter if you're allowed to use it...
16:49.22unknown_lamerpermission to use data I paid for, har har
16:49.56buzi think in switzerland you're explicitely allowed to reverse engineer stuff to get to your data
16:50.38unknown_lamerall I want from life is Free mapping tool that doesn't require me to connect to the net, or assume that I'm driving a car and want to go on heavily trafficed roads
16:50.50SpeedEvilOpenstreetmap.
16:50.57unknown_lamerwith usable map data :-)
16:51.04vmasteryeah - there are no streets at all, on openstreetmap
16:51.15vmasterat least it wont lead you to the next highway
16:51.22unknown_lamerhence the yank tomtom map data and get it readable by openstreetmap
16:51.43SpeedEvilthat is completely breaking the tomtom copyright.
16:51.50SpeedEvilthe map data is the expensive bit.
16:52.22unknown_lamerif I pay for a map card then I should be allowed to do whatever I want with it
16:52.28SpeedEvilUmm - no.
16:52.43zeckemickey_away: somehow the bugzilla does not work as I expected it to work. instead of querying for the bug again, I try to find the number inside the html
16:52.44unknown_lamerallowing them to restrict what program I load the data into violates my ethical principles
16:52.46greghuntjust like you can buy a book, reprint it and distribute it heh
16:52.48SpeedEvilBuy a paper map, start photocopying and selling it, and they'll get upset in exactly the same away.
16:52.56unknown_lamerI'm not talking about redistributing it
16:52.59aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Sport_tracker]] [[Wish_List]]
16:53.13buzSpeedEvil: using it for whatever you want !=redistributing it
16:53.17unknown_lamermerely making it so that anyone who had a copy could use it the way he wanted to
16:53.22SpeedEvilOh - I misread.
16:53.36SpeedEvilthe alternative would be to get TT to port it to the neo.
16:53.57unknown_lamerproprietary solutions are worse than no solution at all
16:54.03unknown_lamer(but that's just me, and I'm a bit nutsy)
16:54.28SpeedEvilThe freedom of a linux device should also encompass the freedom to chose paid-for software.
16:55.07Elrondunknown_lamer - The freedom to use the data for personal things depends on the are you live in. ;o)
16:55.09unknown_lamerthe proprietary may exist, but it is denying me the freedom to use my device the way I desire by it being the only solution
16:56.10Elrondgarmin maps for example can only be installed on two garmin devices. If you have ten devices, you have to buy 5 maps.
16:56.38unknown_lamerthat's exploiting copyright law as each device has its own copy
16:57.02unknown_lamerI suspect the issue disappears so long as you read directly from the card
16:57.20unknown_lamerif not then some lawsuits need to happen and a happy minimalist like me needs to give up his existence to strike the law down
16:58.56greghunti wonder if you could make garmin mapsource query linux gps software, and be tricked into thinking it was talking to a garmin device
17:01.11Elrondgreghunt - You mean faking a garmin device using the neo? Should be possible. Buig part of the usb protocol by garmin is documented.
17:01.45greghuntit might be mildly breaking garmins eula, but it would be quite handy :)
17:01.55Elrondgreghunt - But for the maps you wont win anything that way. For some devices, the map are just transferred as binary blobs via usb-storage to the internal *SD.
17:02.30SpeedEvilI'd expect them to be encrypted moderately heavily.
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17:05.48ElrondSpeedEvil - The non-"NT"-maps are mildly crypted :-)
17:06.09Elrondgreghunt - The non-"NT"-maps are know by now.
17:06.18Elrond"NT" is garmins new format.
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17:12.57ElrondHi koen :)
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17:13.44koenhey Elrond
17:17.47DukeOfURLSpeedEvil:  I thought NHS paid the entire bill... ?
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17:22.01SpeedEvilNot direct medical.
17:22.15SpeedEvilLapsed unpaid phone contracts for example.
17:23.18DukeOfURLSpeedEvil:  Bummer.
17:24.59DukeOfURLI don't want WiFi on my phone if, like with my Windows laptop, I have to fiddle it for 20-40 minutes just to get it connected.
17:25.28DukeOfURLI want WiFi like I have on my PowerBook--walk into range and it connects automatically.
17:25.30SpeedEvilWell - no.
17:25.37SpeedEvilThe potential is interesting though.
17:25.38hrwDukeOfURL: my linux pda connect to wifi without problems
17:25.53SpeedEvilblip the radio on every 1s for 10s (in a gps defined area)
17:26.10SpeedEvilif there is an AP you can connect to legally, then connect to it and sync
17:27.01DukeOfURLI know everyone's experience is different.  Every Windows laptop I've owned had serious problems with WiFi, even the new XP machine
17:27.30buzmy ipw2200 works on windows and linux without any issues
17:27.41DukeOfURLI became so tired of my wife's bitching about not being connected that I finally pulled a LAN drop to her office.
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17:28.35CIA-16openmoko: 03dodji * r1488 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (ChangeLog src/today-events-area.c):
17:28.35CIA-16openmoko: Make TodayEventsArea update events that get modified in e-d-s.
17:28.35CIA-16openmoko:  * applications/openmoko-today/src/today-events-area.c:
17:28.35CIA-16openmoko:  Update the widget to show (in real time) modified
17:28.36CIA-16openmoko:  events/todo items.
17:32.24zeckeDodji: openmoko-today fails to build, there is no make install target
17:34.25Dodjizecke, it seems to works here.
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17:34.50Dodjizecke, ./autogen.sh && make install fails ?
17:34.59Dodjizecke, sorry I need to run out a bit. bbl
17:35.33zeckeDodji: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showlog.pl?machine_id=190&logfile=20070322180104.log check the build log
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17:36.31zeckeDodji: it is more likely the bb file is wrong but still it should be fixed
17:37.02Dodjizecke, yeah maybe. I don't use the bb file. just plain autogen.sh foo
17:37.12Dodjizecke, that is maybe why I didn't notice it
17:37.30Dodjizecke, I'll check that out. thanks
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17:40.50Marex:)
17:40.57TRIsoftwaves back :D
17:41.03Marex:D
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17:52.59aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Distance_tracker]]
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17:59.37zeckeanother night struggling with GtkTreeViewColimn begins...
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18:28.03hrwmickey_away: openmoko-today 20060814 ?!?!?????
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18:51.57philippegrr, the image build with the MokoMakefile seems not to start X :-(
18:52.28SpeedEvilI have discovered one peripheral I need for my neo.
18:52.40SpeedEvilA webcam on a 1m cable, with lights.
18:52.55SpeedEvilFor determining where that bastard screw had fallen.
18:52.59aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]]
18:53.07rohphilippe here it works
18:53.46philipperoh: does it also throw a number of jffs2 hard link stuff at boot?
18:53.58rohoeh.. not that i could see
18:54.14guaquazecke: python bindings or the feedreader? :)
18:54.31rohit built one one 16th.. wait a moment.. i will rebuild and flash
18:54.35philippeOh well seems the dropbear is up, so I can poke arounf a bit
18:56.53zeckeguaqua: feed reader, but I stopped fighting the ColumnView...
18:57.05guaquaokies
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18:58.02philipperoh: I'll build another one to see what happens. Maybe yesterday something was broken.
18:59.48rohphilippe jep... since it takes some time, even on fast computers...
19:01.08guaqua6-8 hours for me
19:01.16guaquaduron 1600 here
19:01.58rohhehe.. core duo 2ghz here.. still takes quite a while...
19:02.28rohcompared to the openwrt stuff... which takes 50 minutes for a full build its slow...  but hey.. were just starting
19:02.43guaquawhat kind of times are you talking about, roh?
19:03.33rohguaqua building a clean tree with already downloaded sources competely till i have binarys to flash into the device
19:03.42rohfull build without downloading-times
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19:07.41philippewell takes a few hours here too (dual Xeon 3,0 Ghz)
19:08.14philippestuff builds a lot faster with the new BBTHREADS stuff from bitbake 1.8
19:08.24philippeHope that will be used soon for OpenMoko
19:09.01guaquaroh: the latter i'm thinking
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19:09.36alorilhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 16:50:23 (11.702 +-7.0 days) (598)
19:09.53rohphilippe most time it really uses both cpus.. but sometimes it only uses both so less that they clock down
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19:12.35philipperoh: my experience is that is spends most of it time in the configure steps...
19:12.48philippewhere it is only using one cpu.
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19:13.03philippeLuckily I am not too much IO bound with my RAID5
19:13.58guaquai'm thinking the IO plays a very little role in the compile time
19:15.37CIA-16openmoko: 03mickey * r1489 10/trunk/oe/conf/distro/include/ (preferred-openmoko-versions.inc sane-srcdates.inc): oe/conf: add preferred srcdate for openmoko-today
19:16.09philippeguaqua: you notice the difference when it does a long ./configure with a slow HDD
19:16.36philippeprom: especially with the glibc locales...
19:17.07philippeone qemu process taking 100% cpu. And 3 virtual cpu's idling...
19:17.57promphilippe: yepp.
19:18.02philippebut that is kindof solved in bitbake 1.8
19:19.11philippehmmm, execept for the glibc case I guess because you need to link to it later on.
19:20.10rohyep.. now i only see load on one core and the second idle
19:20.28rohopenmoko-panel-gps-0.0.1 *wait*
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19:24.51promphilippe: the whole toolchain has a pretty serial build process. but that could be almost completely compensated by making the package builds themselves parallel. this seems to be disabled for a few things because it tends to break.
19:25.38zeckeprom: update to bitbake-1.8 it executes tasks in parallel
19:26.02zeckeprom: and yes, PARALLEL_MAKE with -j > 1 tends to break some things (e.g. glibc)
19:26.54promzecke: i meant the make builds. but ill give bb-1.8 a try when i get back to moko.
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19:27.35philippeWell I am going to get social on the human side while the machine builds...
19:27.42philippemaybe catch you guys later
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19:38.02MandarinoHi ppl!
19:38.06Mandarinocounter
19:38.06alorilhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 16:21:53 (11.682 +-7.0 days) (599)
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19:40.24CIA-16openmoko: 03zecke * r1490 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/README: openmoko-rssreader: Document the stuff I know I do wrong
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19:45.18rohhmm.. [98 %]ERROR: opening /home/roh/svn/openmoko/oa/packages/*/*.bb: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/roh/svn/openmoko/oa/packages/*/*.bb'
19:45.25rohbut it just goes on
19:46.31rohwhats in oa?
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19:48.48rohangstrom stuff?
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20:52.59aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]]
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21:12.32mjrCM, mmh, are the linux drivers free?
21:12.48CMDon't know.. But we can always hope :)
21:12.50ElrondHI cworth
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21:13.01cworthElrond: hi
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21:42.29CIA-16openmoko: 03zecke * r1491 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/ (10 files in 3 dirs):
21:42.29CIA-16openmoko: openmoko-rssreader: Prepare i18n/gettext, prepare sorting, prepare filtering
21:42.29CIA-16openmoko:  Sorting works, but the date is sorted lexically. Parsing the RSS2.0
21:42.29CIA-16openmoko:  pubDate requires a RFC822 compliant parser and on top of that a small
21:42.29CIA-16openmoko:  fix to libmrss. COLUMN_DATE_GDATE will store the GDate value to allow
21:42.33CIA-16openmoko:  better and faster sorting. We create a filter model but do not filter yet.
21:42.35CIA-16openmoko:  Update autogen.sh to the stock GNOME file to call intltool for us
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21:45.55hrwI'm going to run xcalc on neo
21:48.05hrwCM: its too oldschool
21:48.31CMhrw: Well, depends on what you have to calculate ;)
21:49.02guaquaxterm vanilla + w3m
21:49.04guaquammmm
21:49.19CMI've noticed how quick you forget how to count in your head when you never do it
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21:52.59aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review]] [[USB_Networking]]
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21:55.11hrwusb_networking from my post: http://www.hrw.one.pl/2007/03/22/hotpluging-usbnet/
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22:04.13hrwcu
22:05.59aloril(script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?
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22:23.26MacNorth_CM, i saw that chip, too. maybe a p2+ dream :)
22:25.59aloril(script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?
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22:55.39rwhitbymorning
22:55.53TRIsoftmorning
22:56.09rwhitbyanyone tried making the neo a usb host yet?
23:04.04rohrwhitby nope.. but an intrresting question
23:04.21rwhitbyI have a powered hub ready for "adjustment" to supply power upstream, but I need to work out how to switch the neo first.
23:05.40rohrwhitby i thought of using a y cable which accepts 5V on one end usb mini on the moko end and usb-mini with power on the 3rd
23:06.28rohbut i fear it will be more important to think about wireless usb/UWB for the p2(+) devices
23:06.38rohi saw some promising things on cebit
23:07.53rohwe'll see in time.. another 5x5x0.6 mm bga thingie
23:11.17SpeedEvilPromising technically chips can come unstuck.
23:11.25SpeedEvilPrice and availability in quantity.
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23:11.35SpeedEvilleadtimes too.
23:13.01rohyep... we will know when its time to decide such things.. which is much later
23:14.34rohits really short range (up to 10m) but does 100-480mbit then.. meaning enough to even sync a few gbyte of mp3 ;)
23:16.33SpeedEvilThe right thing for that sort of task is probably 60Ghz.
23:16.40SpeedEvilbut that's a ways off.
23:17.05SpeedEvilThe nice thing is that air absorbs it. So you don't run into the problem with lots of distant routers interfering with you.
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23:43.05TRIsoftgtg cu
23:47.20mickeylg'night
23:47.38mickeylrwhitby: you've submitted a bunch of good patches
23:47.54rwhitbymickeyl: all part of the service :-)
23:47.57mickeylwould you be interested in getting access to the openmoko svn to be able to fix issues yourself?
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23:48.08rwhitbymickeyl: sure
23:48.16mickeylrwhitby: excellent. I'll get you an account tomorrow then.
23:48.18mickeylg'night
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23:48.26rwhitbymickeyl: thx. night.
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23:53.12hrwrwhitby: you build on 32bit box?
23:53.36rwhitbyhrw: I build on 32 bit Debian Etch in vmware, and on 32 bit CentOS 4.4 on x86.
23:54.00aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]]
23:55.20hrwI will test something on 32bit and if it will build then will push some changes which should not affect 32->32 builds but will fix 64->32 32->64 etc
23:55.28hrwmixed lenght ones
23:56.00aloril(script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?
23:57.02rwhitbyhrw: nod

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