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| 00:44.54 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Manually_using_GSM]] |
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| 01:06.22 | daniel_bergamini | lets see what happens |
| 01:11.37 | daniel_bergamini | that didn't work out so well |
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| 01:19.36 | zecke | koen: ping? |
| 01:19.48 | zecke | koen: I finished the first version of the feed browser |
| 01:22.18 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1418 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/ (is-processing.patch openmoko_appmgr_libipkg_0_99_163.patch): Update the patch of libipkg |
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| 01:27.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1419 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-keyboard/ (4 files): Rename the matchbox to openmoko |
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| 01:44.35 | MacNorth | ~change 3464 USD to JPY |
| 01:44.54 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Hardware]] |
| 01:50.54 | aevin | ~change 350 USD to NOK |
| 01:51.35 | aevin | ~change 1.25*350 USD to NOK |
| 01:51.53 | aevin | ~change 438 USD to NOK |
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| 02:15.43 | jipi | counter |
| 02:15.43 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks 09:44:17 (14.406 +-7.0 days) (575) |
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| 02:37.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1420 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/ (ChangeLog src/ipkgapi.c src/tool-box.c): Remove the warning of "strdup" not decleration. |
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| 03:44.54 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 03:50.28 | kmeyer | oooh. |
| 03:50.29 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1421 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/src/ (28 files): Use the "/*" instead of the "/**" |
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| 05:41.32 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1422 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/src/ (5 files): Fix the bug that last commit. |
| 05:46.04 | sumasuma | ~change 135 USD to SGD |
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| 05:53.38 | empty_mind | rwhitby: guys thi serror still persists while building wiht mokomakefile http://pastebin.ca/403191 |
| 05:55.00 | rwhitby | rm -rf /home/moko/sources/svn/gta01-kernel |
| 05:55.22 | rwhitby | empty_mind: tried that? |
| 05:55.42 | empty_mind | rwhitby: nope, but why do we get a 404 error ? |
| 05:56.22 | rwhitby | that's normal - it looks at the sources cache site to see if the svn download is already there as a tarball. it's called PREMIRROR |
| 05:57.26 | empty_mind | ok, trying again after rm -rf |
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| 07:18.58 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r1423 10/developers/seanchiang/: Created folder remotely |
| 07:19.47 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r1424 10/developers/seanchiang/gsm/ (8 files): Added a folder remotely |
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| 07:29.43 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r1426 10/developers/seanchiang/gsm/ (80 files in 11 dirs): support phonebook, sms(not fully support yet) |
| 07:41.52 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r1427 10/developers/seanchiang/: Removed file/folder |
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| 07:48.55 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 07:55.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03alex_tang * r1428 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/ (callbacks.c callbacks.h main.c sms-membership-window.c): |
| 07:55.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Clean the footer while colse messages. |
| 07:55.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Fix message membership folder display, any change add/delete will change the list. |
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| 08:01.55 | aloril | (script) openmoko-announce: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> [openmoko-announce] [ADMINISTRATIVE] openmoko.org scheduled |
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| 08:20.19 | sumasuma | i'm getting build errors |
| 08:20.31 | sumasuma | can anyone please help me |
| 08:21.04 | sumasuma | logs at http://pastebin.ca/403264 |
| 08:21.16 | sumasuma | it is is been more than 5 days i'm working on the build |
| 08:21.32 | sumasuma | the worst build i have seen in the whole development life |
| 08:21.44 | sumasuma | poor error checking and poor maintainance |
| 08:22.15 | CM | I'll see if I can get it building right now |
| 08:22.44 | sumasuma | CM: i deleted the whole directory and tried to build more than three times |
| 08:22.50 | sumasuma | *directory tree |
| 08:23.02 | CM | Strange, very.. And you have the latest makefile and all? |
| 08:23.04 | sumasuma | also it doesn't mean if it works for you it works for everyone |
| 08:23.14 | CM | I mean: make update-makefile; make update ;make setup |
| 08:23.25 | sumasuma | it deeply went into my brain |
| 08:23.32 | sumasuma | since i did more than 30 times until now |
| 08:23.56 | sumasuma | and did tried deleting the whole directory tree and tried to build again |
| 08:23.57 | CM | Well, I had some issues in the beginning with broken packages when building for 64-bit |
| 08:24.08 | sumasuma | i'm working on 32 bit |
| 08:24.13 | sumasuma | not 64 bit |
| 08:24.16 | CM | But most people here got it built right away |
| 08:24.30 | CM | What distro? |
| 08:24.34 | sumasuma | fc6 |
| 08:24.50 | sumasuma | doesn't loooks like it is the problem with distrobution |
| 08:24.52 | CM | Version of montone? |
| 08:24.57 | sumasuma | if comppilation problem then i can accept it |
| 08:25.10 | sumasuma | it is retriveing file from svn |
| 08:25.23 | sumasuma | i have given the link check it out |
| 08:25.24 | sumasuma | http://pastebin.ca/403264 |
| 08:25.32 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1431 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/ (ChangeLog src/application-menu.c): |
| 08:25.32 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Using an errcode to idetify the install result. |
| 08:25.32 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Show infomation after installing single ipk file. |
| 08:25.54 | CM | You get the +svnnow in the svn calls and I'm not sure if that's right |
| 08:26.41 | sumasuma | do you have any higher verbose mode to get the error messages more clear ? |
| 08:27.02 | sumasuma | you checked the link, possible to understand anything from that with regards to your question? |
| 08:27.23 | CM | Did you try what I mentioned before? |
| 08:27.33 | CM | make update-makefile; make update ;make setup |
| 08:27.37 | CM | ? |
| 08:27.43 | sumasuma | i think i replied for that |
| 08:27.55 | sumasuma | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.56 | sumasuma | [16:21:28] <sumasuma> since i did more than 30 times until now |
| 08:27.56 | sumasuma | [16:21:53] <sumasuma> and did tried deleting the whole directory tree and tried to build again |
| 08:27.56 | CM | Ah, ok, sorry |
| 08:28.06 | sumasuma | i did more than 30 times |
| 08:28.07 | CM | Hmm. |
| 08:28.19 | Paladine | so hows it going with the preliminary dev launch? |
| 08:28.22 | CM | rwhitby: Can you see the problem in http://pastebin.ca/403264 |
| 08:28.48 | CM | Paladine: Harald and Werner is still in Taipei I think |
| 08:29.04 | CM | Paladine: I'm waiting for Haralds next blogpost ;) |
| 08:29.27 | Paladine | I been out of the loop for a month but it looks like things are moving forward nicely |
| 08:29.52 | Paladine | meanwhile I got free LG shine |
| 08:30.01 | Paladine | whichis kinda nice too |
| 08:30.12 | Paladine | and came with a free wii :) |
| 08:30.16 | CM | Nice |
| 08:30.25 | Paladine | which is the only reason I got it hehehe |
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| 08:31.48 | CM | sumasuma: I can do the svn checkouts. Look at this log: http://pastebin.ca/403275 |
| 08:33.00 | sumasuma | CM: sam i can also i guess |
| 08:33.15 | sumasuma | but when it comes with the make file it doesn't |
| 08:33.21 | CM | sumasuma: I mean with the makefile, the ones that failed for you |
| 08:33.44 | CM | What version of neon and svn do you have? Could that be an issue maybe? |
| 08:34.16 | sumasuma | neon ? |
| 08:34.39 | CM | It's some ssl library that svn uses, I think |
| 08:34.56 | CM | I'm no guru here, just know I've had problems with neon before |
| 08:36.03 | sumasuma | CM: let me check it |
| 08:36.47 | CM | sumasuma: heh, its a "HTTP and WebDAV client library" |
| 08:36.47 | sumasuma | how you checked the neon version ? |
| 08:36.58 | CM | I'm on gentoo, so i just looked what I had installed |
| 08:37.19 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03alex_tang * r1432 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/ (callbacks.c sms-membership-window.c): Fix the message membership window message list. |
| 08:38.13 | CM | sumasuma: I'm at work, off to a meeting. Hope someone can help you out more, or I'll be back later. |
| 08:39.59 | sumasuma | ok |
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| 08:48.55 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Rakshasa]] |
| 08:49.02 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:05.47 | xkr47 | gug |
| 09:10.11 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1433 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/is-processing.patch: Update the is-processing.patch file |
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| 09:20.35 | hrw | morning |
| 09:21.35 | pH5 | hi hrw |
| 09:22.12 | pH5 | hrw, stefan_schmidt: does gsm work for you now? |
| 09:22.34 | sumasuma | ph5: my ph is acidic |
| 09:22.39 | pH5 | with alphaone's hint I finally got it to work, so I guess we could close #256 |
| 09:22.56 | pH5 | sumasuma: coffee :) |
| 09:22.59 | XorA | dmesg -n1? |
| 09:23.22 | pH5 | XorA: cu disables flow control again, so I had to run stty -F *after* starting cu |
| 09:24.11 | XorA | why on linux of all OS's do terminal programs suck so much ass |
| 09:25.22 | hrw | pH5: I have to test it |
| 09:25.28 | hrw | XorA: picocom roxx |
| 09:27.18 | pH5 | hrw: heh, see my comment #5 on that bug. although this probably isn't picocom's fault :) |
| 09:28.16 | hrw | yep |
| 09:29.00 | hrw | root@home:~# ifconfig usb1 192.168.0.200 |
| 09:29.33 | hrw | fsck! it works |
| 09:29.41 | hrw | `ATE0V1' returned `ERROR' |
| 09:29.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1434 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-mainmenu/src/ (11 files): add stylus menu object , abstract finger menu object |
| 09:29.51 | hrw | Thu Jan 1 00:02:33 1970 <1> atcmd.c:178:ml_parse() buf=`AT-Command Interpreter ready |
| 09:30.33 | koen | Tue Mar 20 09:30:28 2007 <1> atcmd.c:178:ml_parse() buf=`ERROR'(5) |
| 09:30.34 | koen | Tue Mar 20 09:30:28 2007 <1> atcmd.c:269:ml_parse() unspecified error |
| 09:31.27 | pH5 | hrw: terrific! |
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| 09:43.06 | hrw | koen: build picocom for angstrom |
| 09:44.30 | koen | hrw: and that fixes the gsm panel plugin to do something usefull? |
| 09:44.44 | hrw | no |
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| 09:48.58 | rob_w | how can i get that the first touch while the screensaver is on will be ignored and doesnt touch a button or such ? |
| 09:49.07 | rob_w | do we have such in place ? |
| 09:49.55 | koen | rob_w: press the AUX button? |
| 09:50.18 | hrw | ~lart neo's power button |
| 09:50.28 | rob_w | not an option this neeeds to be working also by touching |
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| 10:00.44 | sumasuma | the poor mokomakefile could not do the build |
| 10:01.06 | sumasuma | anyone here can modify for the problem which i'm facing ? |
| 10:01.40 | koen | my crystal ball is in repairs |
| 10:03.05 | sumasuma | koen: don't go to doctors |
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| 10:06.03 | sumasuma | http://pastebin.ca/403381 |
| 10:06.18 | sumasuma | i'm going to update wiki, since this problem is not resolved for more than 4+ days |
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| 10:19.58 | koen | pH5: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/selfone/ |
| 10:21.11 | rob_w | sumasuma, http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/openmoko_svn.o-hand.com_.repos.dates.branches__now.tar.gz |
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| 10:27.30 | empty_mind | what is xau ? |
| 10:27.50 | balrog-kun | man Xau :) |
| 10:27.59 | koen | "The XAU is an index traded on the Philadelphia exchange. It consists of 11 precious metal mining companies. " |
| 10:28.16 | empty_mind | my openmoko build fails saying "No package 'xau' found| configure: error: Package requirements (xextproto xtrans xau xcmiscproto bigreqsproto) were not met: |
| 10:28.16 | empty_mind | " |
| 10:28.48 | empty_mind | lol koen |
| 10:34.25 | pH5 | koen: very interesting, though I keep imagining people holding their n800's to their heads. |
| 10:34.52 | koen | pH5: you could make your magician do conference calls :) |
| 10:39.41 | xkr47 | !counter |
| 10:42.52 | Elrond | counter |
| 10:42.52 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks 01:17:42 (14.054 +-7.0 days) (576) |
| 10:42.52 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1435 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c): |
| 10:42.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Patch by: Daniel Willmann <daniel@totalueberwachung.de> |
| 10:42.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (today_launcher_clicked_cb): Initialise the GError |
| 10:42.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: pointer to prevent segfault. Fixes bug 268. |
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| 10:48.55 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MokoMakefile]] [[OpenMoko_compatible_cellphone_providers]] |
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| 10:59.13 | aloril | sumasuma: just checking, did you get makefile from here: http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile |
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| 11:02.41 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1436 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (ChangeLog src/today-events-area.c src/today-main.c): |
| 11:02.41 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/today-events-area.c: (render_event): |
| 11:02.41 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (today_infoline_new): |
| 11:02.41 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Use invisible windows for GtkEventBox where appropriate. |
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| 11:16.55 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Reminder: Google SoC application deadline in 4 days |
| 11:17.53 | Magon | mickey|zzZZzz: when one will know if his application is accepted? |
| 11:21.13 | hrw | Magon: when mentors will give comments, select ones for mentoring and then google will choose which are accepted |
| 11:21.55 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Reminder: Google SoC application deadline in 4 days |
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| 11:25.36 | Magon | hrw: ok so i have to just wait |
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| 11:41.55 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: Reminder: Google SoC application deadline in 4 days |
| 11:51.58 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: Reminder: Google SoC application deadline in 4 days |
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| 11:54.49 | zecke | mickey|zzZZzz: moin, is my mail in the moderation queue of -devel? |
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| 12:12.01 | kumbalae | what are the other ways to get the toolchain for openmoko ? |
| 12:12.08 | kumbalae | i'm using fc6 |
| 12:14.29 | Hopscotch | mokomakefile seems to work pretty well |
| 12:14.43 | kumbalae | Hopscotch: yes not for all |
| 12:14.57 | kumbalae | it breaks for me |
| 12:15.00 | Hopscotch | ouch |
| 12:15.10 | kumbalae | 5+ days spent on it |
| 12:15.13 | kumbalae | really waste |
| 12:15.28 | kumbalae | updated svn to the latest, neon etc., |
| 12:15.41 | kumbalae | http://pastebin.ca/403381 |
| 12:15.45 | XorA | works fine on SuSe and thats pretty damn close to FC6 |
| 12:15.47 | kumbalae | still the bug exists |
| 12:16.32 | XorA | kumbalae: got a web proxy? |
| 12:16.52 | kumbalae | XorA: may be the isp might have, not one my own |
| 12:17.17 | XorA | kumbalae: does svn checkout svn://svn.o-hand.com/repos/dates/branches/ o-hand work on command line? |
| 12:17.28 | kumbalae | Xora: for me also |
| 12:17.36 | kumbalae | it works on the hand |
| 12:17.47 | kumbalae | but o-hand fails with the mokomakefile |
| 12:18.16 | kumbalae | i did update mokomakefile |
| 12:18.19 | kumbalae | update |
| 12:18.21 | kumbalae | setup |
| 12:18.36 | kumbalae | and all nonsense mentioned in that page |
| 12:18.56 | kumbalae | make update-makefile; make update; make setup; make openmoko-devel-image |
| 12:19.48 | CM | kumbalae: Try to catch rwhitby in here |
| 12:19.50 | Sup3rkiddo | does anyone's build bork at perl-native...mine does |
| 12:20.04 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: Yes, that's the perl gentoo issue ;) |
| 12:20.13 | XorA | kumbalae: snv --version please |
| 12:20.24 | Sup3rkiddo | CM: OMG...any workarounds? |
| 12:20.31 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1988 |
| 12:20.39 | kumbalae | [moko@localhost ~]$ svn --version |
| 12:20.40 | kumbalae | svn, version 1.4.3 (r23084) |
| 12:20.40 | kumbalae | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.57 | Sup3rkiddo | CM: thanks man....i bunked my college today because of that.. |
| 12:21.16 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: Basically make a ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/asm/page.h page.h in /usr/include/asm |
| 12:21.29 | XorA | kumbalae: that is exceedingly odd |
| 12:21.33 | Sup3rkiddo | CM: yeah i had done that before....but dunno what happened |
| 12:21.57 | mickeyl | zecke: your mail came through fine |
| 12:22.00 | mickeyl | (at least to me) |
| 12:22.03 | XorA | CM: sounds like gentoo glibc didnt do the header copy right |
| 12:22.25 | CM | XorA: Yes, there's a gentoo bug about it, linked in that oe bug |
| 12:23.38 | kumbalae | Experts around here, is there is any other way to install the toolchain for openmoko other than mokomakefile ? |
| 12:24.50 | CM | kumbalae: You should be able to do a completely manual install, but I doubt it's easier. |
| 12:25.06 | CM | Sucks that you've gotten stuck on some weird svn issue |
| 12:25.18 | zecke | yeah, I simply don't get pipermail's indenting of mail :) |
| 12:25.20 | kumbalae | yes, if something reasonable definitely i will try to resolve |
| 12:25.37 | kumbalae | even if svn fails, it is acceptable |
| 12:25.43 | kumbalae | it works in the command line |
| 12:26.14 | kumbalae | is there a way i can get through command line and the mokomakefile get for building it ? |
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| 12:26.52 | CM | kumbalae: Should be, if you download the file to the source dir |
| 12:27.10 | kumbalae | http://pastebin.ca/403381 |
| 12:27.32 | kumbalae | in the directory where it is trying to download through the svn ? |
| 12:29.13 | hrw | mickeyl: modem works here |
| 12:29.36 | kumbalae | CM: can you point me which directory i need to svn ? |
| 12:30.12 | CM | kumbalae: My files are in /home/moko/sources/ |
| 12:30.31 | CM | kumbalae: Btw, bitbake does not play nice with softlinks.. |
| 12:30.46 | koen | CM: you mean binutils |
| 12:30.59 | CM | koen: True, sorry :) |
| 12:31.53 | kumbalae | i find all the files in the sources are .bz2 and md5 |
| 12:32.03 | kumbalae | are you sure of the location ? |
| 12:32.57 | kumbalae | guys, i leaving off |
| 12:33.08 | kumbalae | already spent useless time on openmoko |
| 12:33.13 | kumbalae | never waste my lifetime on this |
| 12:33.15 | kumbalae | bye |
| 12:33.21 | CM | Good riddance |
| 12:33.48 | koen | another victim of "makefile disables brain: |
| 12:33.53 | mickeyl | hrw: glad to hear |
| 12:33.56 | koen | s,:,", |
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| 12:34.13 | Goose | Good day all |
| 12:34.51 | CM | Morning ;) |
| 12:35.29 | hrw | mickeyl: time to buy cheap prepaid card |
| 12:35.30 | koen | CM: were you the one that recommended Boi Preto? |
| 12:36.30 | Goose | I just read the WiFi section on the wiki but I thought I'd ask if there was any more progress in finding a wifi chipset? |
| 12:36.30 | aloril | When version 1 was designed there was no sufficiently low-power WiFi chip available which has an open driver. You can attach (battery) powered USB hub to Neo1973 and then use supported WiFi USB stick. Also some model later this year probably will include WiFi. For more information see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F |
| 12:36.57 | koen | Goose: there meeting with vendors this week |
| 12:37.02 | Goose | I'm working on a country wide wifi deploymnet on an island in the caribbean and we're looking at SIP handset options... in our case we actually don't necessarily want/need GSM, we'd be happy with an all WiFi product based on open source.... |
| 12:37.06 | koen | s/there/they are/ |
| 12:37.28 | koen | Goose: http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/03/18/#20070318-one_week_of_taipeh |
| 12:37.50 | Goose | *click* Great! Is it feasible to do a wifi only spin of the phone to reduce cost and power consumption? |
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| 12:39.36 | balrog-kun | does someone know how the JBT6K74 driver is going to be transferring 9 bit commands (which is what the LCD expects) over the 8 bit SPI channel? |
| 12:40.54 | balrog-kun | also i think the driver shouldn't assume that MISO pin is not connected if it is to be generic, cause this is only true on the Neo |
| 12:43.25 | zecke | ~lart gmane |
| 12:43.28 | koen | zecke: could you add the recipe for openmoko-rssreader to OE? |
| 12:43.34 | zecke | koen: I could once I have some hosting |
| 12:45.38 | Goose | Koen - good luck in Taipeh, I'll keep an eye out for some wifi news :) |
| 12:45.41 | CM | koen: Yes |
| 12:45.51 | CM | koen: Did you go there? |
| 12:46.37 | koen | CM: yes! |
| 12:47.14 | koen | CM: it's unbelievable |
| 12:47.23 | CM | koen: I'm glad you thought so too |
| 12:47.48 | CM | Chat I've never tried that many good things at one time in my whole life before, or since |
| 12:48.04 | koen | I never ate soo much beef in my life |
| 12:48.08 | CM | Hehe |
| 12:48.55 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_compatible_cellphone_providers]] |
| 12:51.52 | koen | :) |
| 12:52.16 | koen | if you bring 12 people you even get a discount |
| 12:52.23 | koen | so we brought 27 people :) |
| 12:54.09 | xkr47 | :) |
| 12:55.43 | zecke | mickeyl: I think using libmrss was a good idea. It allows me to focus on the UI and Model Site of things |
| 12:56.36 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 12:56.52 | mickeyl | i'm all for external libraries if they don't come with insane dependencies |
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| 12:59.28 | zecke | mickeyl: Tonight evening I will look into GThread and using ModelFilter and ModelSort |
| 12:59.43 | mickeyl | great! crossing fingers |
| 13:00.38 | unmadindu | mickeyl: any comments/feedback on the Gstreamer SoC idea that I sent to the devel mailing list ? |
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| 13:04.06 | mickeyl | unmadindu: I'm not sure I understand the aim of the project |
| 13:04.20 | mickeyl | "porting" Gstreamer to neo is not necessary |
| 13:04.29 | mickeyl | is it about an audioplayer that uses gstreamer? |
| 13:04.31 | CM | koen: What did it cost? I never got to see the receipt.. |
| 13:04.38 | mickeyl | or what exactly? |
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| 13:04.46 | mickeyl | that and my overload prevented any comments yet, sorry |
| 13:05.34 | guaqua | if unmandindo doesn't answer...i think it was something in the sense of the new kde multimedia framework |
| 13:05.53 | guaqua | so that there would be a generic way to do stuff on openmoko layer, such as playing audio |
| 13:05.58 | empty_mind | mickeyl, i think he wants to run gstreamer on openmoko and stream audio to other devices over bluetooth |
| 13:06.02 | unmadindu | mickeyl: essentially, the aim is to integrate Gstreamer into the OpenMoko framework, so that just like you have libmokoui for creating UI related stuff (using the widgets provided by the lib), 3rd party app developers can easily develop multimedia applications on top of the stack (without worrying much about adding a lot of dependencies) |
| 13:06.05 | guaqua | and this openmoko layer would then take care of the actual process |
| 13:06.25 | guaqua | okay, three versions |
| 13:07.27 | empty_mind | unmadindu, but we already have alsa running on openmoko |
| 13:07.27 | unmadindu | empty_mind: gstreamer is not just for streaming - you cna use it to do all kind of multimedia stuff, from simple playback to non linear editing and other fancy stuff |
| 13:07.34 | mickeyl | unmadindu: i see. this sounds like an ambitioned project. would a high-level API for triggering audio events be a result of that? |
| 13:07.50 | mickeyl | unmadindu: because this is what we need the most atm. :) we can't play ring tones yet, heh |
| 13:08.00 | unmadindu | mickeyl: I thought that was already inside libmokoui |
| 13:08.06 | CM | How did the pulse audio discussions go? |
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| 13:08.15 | XorA | mickeyl: I thought you were going to fire up frodo for the ringtones |
| 13:08.25 | mickeyl | unmadindu: it's scheduled for inclusion in libmokoui, but alas, i haven't had time :/ |
| 13:08.31 | mickeyl | XorA: nah, UAE |
| 13:09.02 | XorA | wooble wooble wooble woooble, boink boink boink boink |
| 13:09.03 | unmadindu | mickeyl: it is possible - gstreamer would provide you with all the audio and video related functionality that you may want |
| 13:09.07 | XorA | and repeat |
| 13:09.16 | unmadindu | empty_mind: alsa-lib is too low level - |
| 13:09.21 | guaqua | figuring out what to do for SoC is hard, cos there isn't anything specific that can be implemented in that timeframe |
| 13:09.32 | guaqua | there is nothing certain, what will be finished by then and what not |
| 13:09.42 | benJIman | 3 months is a long time |
| 13:10.01 | mickeyl | i agree, that's why application applications are easier than library enhancement applications |
| 13:10.06 | benJIman | 450 man hours |
| 13:10.12 | mickeyl | but in any case we can help you to refine your proposal |
| 13:10.17 | mickeyl | we just need an application for a start :) |
| 13:10.28 | mickeyl | (application as in GSoC application, not software application :)) |
| 13:10.42 | unmadindu | guaqua: the deliverables are basically, 1. integrating gstreamer into the build system 2. developing the media player as outlined in the wiki on top of the stack as a PoC |
| 13:10.47 | CM | It's not that easy to make applications when the libs aren't done either. ;) |
| 13:11.09 | unmadindu | mickeyl: umm, do I use the web based form at google to submit the application ? |
| 13:11.10 | XorA | univac: 1. is done |
| 13:11.15 | hrw | 1. is done |
| 13:11.19 | alphaone | pH5: Good to hear that is doesn't seem to be such a big hardware problem after all |
| 13:11.27 | XorA | damn auto comp[lete |
| 13:11.41 | hrw | I have to sync with oe... |
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| 13:12.17 | mickeyl | unmadindu: yes, i think that's the way. |
| 13:12.31 | unmadindu | mickeyl: so I can modify it later on if I want to ? |
| 13:12.39 | hrw | unmadindu: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/README?root=selfone&rev=3&view=markup |
| 13:12.50 | mickeyl | unmadindu: i think so, yes. bear with me i never submitted an application, so I'm not exactly an expert in that area |
| 13:13.02 | unmadindu | mickeyl: ok :-) |
| 13:13.37 | unmadindu | hrw: checking... |
| 13:13.39 | guaqua | what would you think of an application that would do the basic gps receiver stuff. for example show speeds and bearings and that kind of stuff. i have quite a few ideas for sailing and how it could be used there? |
| 13:14.06 | Magon | unmadindu: you can change abstract part at any time and description part one after each mentors comment |
| 13:14.19 | unmadindu | Magon: oh - great. thanks :-) |
| 13:14.22 | Magon | and you can add your own commends at any time you want to |
| 13:14.23 | guaqua | or is the basic receiver and basic gps-info going to be a core app? |
| 13:14.24 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1437 10/trunk/oe/packages/gsm/ (files/gsmd libgsmd_svn.bb): oe/gsm: submit dmesg -n1 in gsmd start script to make sure |
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| 13:14.53 | hrw | guaqua: sailing + gps + gsm + cron == happy captain |
| 13:14.54 | koen | CM: 35 real pp or 28 real with a group |
| 13:15.09 | CM | :) |
| 13:15.24 | mickeyl | %CSQ is signal strength reporting? |
| 13:15.30 | guaqua | hrw: yes, sailed dinghies for hald my life and bigger boats for the last 5 :) |
| 13:15.48 | mickeyl | what's the meaning on the three values? i.e. (16,99,1) |
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| 13:16.31 | pH5 | mickeyl: http://www.nobbi.com/atgsm.htm#+csq |
| 13:16.35 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 13:16.44 | mickeyl | what values do you get on your magician usually? |
| 13:16.46 | guaqua | but this is the problem...what do you think, would there be someone interested in this kinda thing? |
| 13:16.49 | XorA | guaqua: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6458005.stm |
| 13:17.12 | mickeyl | looks i'm not getting anything above 20 |
| 13:17.23 | mickeyl | although my Sony Ericsson gives 4 of 4 bars here in my office |
| 13:17.35 | SpeedEvil | I'd expect the usual wireless thing of poorly defined random units with random scales :) |
| 13:17.36 | mickeyl | and the Neo sits right next to it |
| 13:17.39 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 13:17.43 | mickeyl | sounds likely, ya |
| 13:18.00 | unmadindu | by the way, if it clears the confusion, here's a modified version of the framework diagram http://sayamindu.randomink.org/soc/ofm.svg |
| 13:18.13 | SpeedEvil | The 'bars' mashes down as I understand it signal strength and quality into one measure. |
| 13:18.21 | guaqua | XorA: would require a speaking framework aswell |
| 13:18.26 | SpeedEvil | to guess at the likelyhood of you getting a call. |
| 13:18.34 | guaqua | although that might be kinda cool to implement aswell |
| 13:18.38 | XorA | guaqua: just that looks like a group thats interested in that sort of thing |
| 13:18.42 | empty_mind | why am i getting this error http://pastebin.ca/403529 though i have xau and xau dev packages installed on debian |
| 13:18.51 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 13:18.53 | koen | CM: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/428063065/ <- spot the hidden message |
| 13:18.54 | mickeyl | these events come regularly |
| 13:18.57 | guaqua | XorA: ? |
| 13:19.00 | CM | unmadindu: What did you draw that with? |
| 13:19.03 | SpeedEvil | I'd guess that the three might be signal, quality, have signal, for example. |
| 13:19.11 | mickeyl | is that based on a timeframe or on actual reception, i.e. will i get two consecutive ones with the same strenght or probably not ? |
| 13:19.13 | unmadindu | CM: inkscape |
| 13:19.21 | XorA | guaqua: poeple guided on land instead of sea, but basically the same problem |
| 13:19.37 | SpeedEvil | I'd guess it's based on reception, probably with some lag as the reciever is often not on all the time. |
| 13:19.42 | mickeyl | right |
| 13:19.44 | guaqua | yes, but i'm looking for an app that's suitable for SoC :) |
| 13:19.49 | CM | koen: Hehe.. Capiriña! |
| 13:19.54 | koen | :) |
| 13:20.08 | XorA | koen: you get SIM in a tin? |
| 13:20.09 | SpeedEvil | the best way is probably to turn on logging, and wander around places with poere reception. |
| 13:20.26 | koen | XorA: yes, that surprised me as well |
| 13:20.27 | pH5 | mickeyl: unsolicited SQ is vendor specific, so anything could happen. I guess it only notifies you when it changes, though. |
| 13:20.35 | pH5 | mickeyl: beware of the speakerphone button! |
| 13:21.01 | XorA | koen: they could at least have filled it with beans :-) |
| 13:21.16 | pH5 | on the magician I got values around 17 vor CSQ, but I'm not sure if that's the norm because the HTC firmware doesn't have %CSQ |
| 13:21.52 | pH5 | instead they have some strange %HTCCSQ that returns numbers from 0 to 5 (= bars in wince) |
| 13:22.08 | mickeyl | interesting |
| 13:22.13 | mickeyl | that correlates with my findings |
| 13:22.18 | mickeyl | 16-19 here on the Neo |
| 13:22.24 | mickeyl | oscillating |
| 13:22.26 | mickeyl | without me moving it |
| 13:22.28 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
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| 13:23.15 | mickeyl | grrr |
| 13:23.30 | Magon | mickeyl: most of readings from any sensor will oscilate |
| 13:26.47 | Magon | mickeyl: you want even call already ? ;-) |
| 13:27.11 | alphaone | Magon: It already works :-) |
| 13:27.26 | alphaone | morning * |
| 13:27.46 | mickeyl | cheers alphaone |
| 13:28.16 | mickeyl | alphaone: which alsa state is 100% working for handset call? |
| 13:28.38 | mickeyl | (or XorA, for that matter) |
| 13:29.06 | XorA | gsmhandsetalc.state |
| 13:29.26 | mickeyl | alc |
| 13:29.33 | XorA | Automatic Level Control |
| 13:29.34 | mickeyl | is that in the new alsa-state package ? |
| 13:29.36 | alphaone | mickeyl: I had to modify it... |
| 13:29.42 | mickeyl | alphaone: how? |
| 13:29.47 | alphaone | one sec |
| 13:29.50 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 13:30.03 | Magon | better updating to head |
| 13:30.05 | mickeyl | as a telephone |
| 13:30.06 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 13:30.13 | XorA | mickeyl: http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/gsmhandset.working.state |
| 13:30.17 | XorA | mickeyl: http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/gsmheadset.working.state |
| 13:30.20 | mickeyl | thanks XorA |
| 13:30.22 | guaqua | Magon: what is your project? |
| 13:30.26 | XorA | mickeyl: http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/gsmhandsetalc.state |
| 13:30.31 | Magon | guaqua: Footer |
| 13:30.36 | guaqua | mm |
| 13:30.37 | mickeyl | XorA: three? |
| 13:30.46 | alphaone | Right, that link |
| 13:30.51 | mickeyl | XorA: what's the difference between working and alc ? |
| 13:30.52 | XorA | mickeyl: one is headset, one is handset, and one is handset via the ALC |
| 13:32.03 | mickeyl | so for actual calling, ALC would be preferred? |
| 13:32.03 | XorA | mickeyl: the ALC should adjust the level to a good one automatically, but I dont fully inderstand the unit yet |
| 13:32.04 | mickeyl | heh |
| 13:32.05 | mickeyl | ok, thanks |
| 13:35.01 | guaqua | hmm. just thinking. what would a speech reader for the moko sound like as an idea? |
| 13:35.11 | guaqua | to enable it to be used by the blind, for example |
| 13:35.12 | SpeedEvil | good. |
| 13:35.22 | SpeedEvil | It's not only the blind. |
| 13:35.31 | guaqua | or just add extra functionality, like when you are driving |
| 13:35.42 | SpeedEvil | It's also a nice option - for example, you might want it to read your SMSs to you. |
| 13:35.46 | SpeedEvil | incoming SMS |
| 13:36.09 | guaqua | i found this nvda project that's written in python for windows |
| 13:36.22 | SpeedEvil | I was surprised to find that it is possible to listen to speech at 500+WPM. |
| 13:36.34 | mickeyl | yeeeeeeeeeeah |
| 13:36.41 | xkr47 | you have sound ?-) |
| 13:36.43 | mickeyl | yeah! |
| 13:36.46 | xkr47 | cool |
| 13:36.47 | SpeedEvil | tsp - occasionally in #freenode-social uses a speech reader at an insane speed. |
| 13:36.48 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:36.52 | mickeyl | my first Neo call on the answering machine |
| 13:36.56 | mickeyl | that's really cool |
| 13:36.57 | SpeedEvil | Through the 'proper' dialer? |
| 13:37.00 | mickeyl | yep |
| 13:37.05 | XorA | mickeyl: got no friends :-) |
| 13:37.08 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:37.08 | xkr47 | :) |
| 13:37.18 | xkr47 | mickeyl, now take 10 mins to celebrate :) |
| 13:37.21 | mickeyl | XorA: no. since working on OpenMoko i didn't go out |
| 13:37.27 | mickeyl | so all my friends are pissed off |
| 13:37.28 | mickeyl | heh |
| 13:37.29 | unmadindu | mickeyl: proposal submitted |
| 13:37.30 | SpeedEvil | So, does it work 'as a basic touchscreen phone' now? |
| 13:37.33 | XorA | mickeyl: buy the leffe |
| 13:37.35 | mickeyl | unmadindu: cool |
| 13:37.41 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: yeah |
| 13:37.44 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:37.45 | mickeyl | actually |
| 13:37.57 | mickeyl | ~spell refridgerator |
| 13:38.09 | mickeyl | Cheers guys |
| 13:38.24 | xkr47 | is that some cigar ?-) |
| 13:38.24 | guaqua | :D |
| 13:38.27 | florian | mickeyl: doh! |
| 13:38.32 | guaqua | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.34 | guaqua | ;) |
| 13:38.40 | xkr47 | heh |
| 13:38.54 | guaqua | hmm |
| 13:39.02 | zecke | koen: squid? |
| 13:39.07 | guaqua | mokotalk, hmm...how does that sound? :) |
| 13:39.11 | koen | zecke: I read your last mail |
| 13:39.19 | XorA | koen: your project sucks compared to my moko-pr0n |
| 13:39.23 | zecke | koen: patent pending :) |
| 13:39.49 | xkr47 | patent bending |
| 13:40.13 | koen | aaargh |
| 13:40.18 | koen | ~lart sim in a can |
| 13:41.55 | prpplague | koen: how many times do we have to tell you...... your neo can not be used to shave with |
| 13:42.06 | xkr47 | :D |
| 13:42.49 | prpplague | or atleast not until vesion p155 |
| 13:43.15 | xkr47 | until then we'll have to use the usb shaver :) |
| 13:45.12 | hrw | mickeyl: you found Leffe Brun shop in FTA/FFM? |
| 13:46.11 | alphaone | mickeyl: What rootfs are you using? |
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| 13:47.48 | alphaone | mickeyl: With newest rootfs Bug #289 is acting up here... |
| 13:48.55 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review]] [[Documentation]] [[Manually_using_GSM]] [[FAQ]] |
| 13:49.37 | koen|away | *** glibc detected *** gsmd: free(): invalid pointer: 0x00018110 *** |
| 13:49.55 | inz | Uuh, glibc detected, that's bad |
| 13:50.00 | inz | Better get uclibc quickly! |
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| 13:58.14 | unmadindu | hrw: why ? |
| 13:58.20 | hrw | why fight? |
| 13:58.30 | empty_mind | mickeyl, do you need a patch/plugin which will alert openmoko-devel mailing list with title and public description of the project registered for approval ? |
| 13:58.30 | unmadindu | yep |
| 13:58.35 | xkr47 | Round 2! Fight! |
| 13:58.44 | hrw | unmadindu: because I'm paid to get it working in some strange setup |
| 13:58.56 | unmadindu | hrw: oh - ok :-) |
| 13:59.24 | hrw | 0:00:06.680000000 2883 0x1d9b8 INFO GST_ELEMENT_FACTORY gstelementfactory.c:375:gst_element_factory_create: creating element "pipeline" |
| 13:59.27 | hrw | Segmentation fault |
| 13:59.54 | koen|away | mickeyl: why can't I call someone from inside the phonebook? |
| 13:59.54 | aloril | koen|away: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 14:00.27 | unmadindu | ugh.. gdb time :-( |
| 14:01.46 | XorA | koen|away: you newb :-) |
| 14:01.47 | xkr47 | hrw, well luckily it doesn't take 6 hours to reproduce :P |
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| 14:08.36 | koen|away | cute, you can crash the neo by turning off power to the gsm modem |
| 14:09.35 | xkr47 | sounds like a tamagotchi :) |
| 14:10.06 | Stephmw | urgh. automagically generated C code is fugly. |
| 14:10.09 | alphaone | koen|away: See Bug 289 |
| 14:10.21 | alphaone | I think thats the same issue |
| 14:10.29 | xkr47 | Stephmw, worse than perl ?-) |
| 14:11.00 | alphaone | mickeyl: I don't seem to get PIN entry... |
| 14:11.35 | xkr47 | reset to XorA defaults |
| 14:13.01 | Stephmw | xkr47: dunno... the file I'm looking at atm is 147k source |
| 14:13.08 | xkr47 | uuh |
| 14:13.48 | Stephmw | ... there are many like it, but this one is the one I have to grok |
| 14:13.50 | Stephmw | :D |
| 14:16.53 | XorA | hmm, moko headset is horrendous |
| 14:17.33 | SpeedEvil | :( |
| 14:17.47 | SpeedEvil | Just cheap and bad? |
| 14:17.51 | guaqua | i found an open source speech synthesis thingie... |
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| 14:18.00 | zecke | festival? |
| 14:18.03 | SpeedEvil | There are many. |
| 14:18.07 | guaqua | flite, moreso |
| 14:18.10 | SpeedEvil | festival is the elephant in the room. |
| 14:18.18 | guaqua | lite version this is |
| 14:18.28 | guaqua | they've been able to make it work on strongarm |
| 14:18.39 | SpeedEvil | Then there is flite, and one 70K binary that I've got, and can't remember the name of. |
| 14:18.52 | guaqua | i'm thinking this as my SoC project |
| 14:19.03 | guaqua | i'd just like to know there is some hope |
| 14:23.52 | unmadindu | guaqua: http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:QtbaSjj2sb8J:moimart.org/category/flite/page/2/+FliteWidget&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=flock <- gstreamer-flite plugin for Maemo :-) |
| 14:24.44 | mickeyl | hrw: no Leffe Brune shop, but these are the remainders of someone who visited Belgium last year :) |
| 14:25.03 | mickeyl | alphaone: I'm using the P0 official rootfs with my updated gsm package |
| 14:25.45 | mickeyl | alphaone: i don't get a PIN entry either, but that's probably due to my SIM. I always disable PIN1 |
| 14:26.00 | alphaone | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.01 | mickeyl | koen: no idea, please don't ask me about any bugs in dialer... i just started dissecting it |
| 14:26.24 | alphaone | And that seems to work - except for the pin entry |
| 14:27.21 | parag0n | counter?? |
| 14:27.26 | parag0n | counter? |
| 14:27.26 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: devices shipped at 2007-03-05; a week, 6 days 21:32:34 (13.898 +-7.0 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-04-02); 5 months, 3 weeks, 5 days (179.898 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (577) |
| 14:27.39 | parag0n | ^__^ |
| 14:27.43 | koen|away | alphaone: http://rafb.net/p/NSknQV97.html |
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| 14:29.00 | alphaone | koen: Then the kernel hangs or does the output hang? |
| 14:29.33 | koen | alphaone: nothing hangs |
| 14:30.25 | alphaone | koen: Try dmesg -n1 before connecting to the serial line |
| 14:31.48 | guaqua | unmadindu: now the only thing is to cross-compile and someone to try it on neo |
| 14:32.44 | alphaone | koen: Newer images should take care of that automagically |
| 14:32.45 | unmadindu | guaqua: umm, the flite gstreamer plugin is probably dependant on some Maemo specific widget. That may need to be changed |
| 14:33.03 | guaqua | unmadindu: yes, but flite in general |
| 14:33.19 | koen | alphaone: how does doing dmesg -n1 make the modem work? |
| 14:33.22 | unmadindu | guaqua: yeah.. |
| 14:33.26 | guaqua | unmadindu: if flite in general can be compiled for the platform and it works, then it shouldn't be a problem to make it into something else |
| 14:33.45 | koen | alphaone: and no, newer images don't do that, only the ones build from openmoko svn, which I don't use, since it is too buggy |
| 14:33.52 | alphaone | koen: It keeps the kernel from spilling out messages to the gsm modem |
| 14:34.21 | koen | guaqua: the maemo people even have a dbus interface to flite |
| 14:34.23 | alphaone | s/newer images/newer images built from openmoko svn/ then |
| 14:35.21 | hrw | koen: angstrom ones are unusable without external keyboard ;( |
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| 14:35.44 | alphaone | morning wansti |
| 14:36.29 | koen | hrw: why? |
| 14:36.33 | wansti | alphaone: morning? i already worked six hours today :-P |
| 14:36.38 | koen | hrw: I have mbinmputmg in my panel |
| 14:36.55 | hrw | koen: I did not had when built it some time ago |
| 14:37.04 | wansti | alphaone: and, looking at our kitchen, there's more waiting for me :-P |
| 14:37.04 | guaqua | what does maemo widget mean in general english? |
| 14:37.28 | koen | 'maemo' is a made up word |
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| 14:37.44 | guaqua | i was referring to the term widget |
| 14:37.51 | guaqua | is it some general addon or what? |
| 14:40.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1438 10/trunk/oe/packages/alsa/ (8 files in 2 dirs): oe/alsa: fix PACKAGE_ARCH, add improved alsa states into repository |
| 14:41.00 | alphaone | wansti: Heh :-) |
| 14:46.25 | koen | alphaone: why would the kernel put messages into the gsm modem? |
| 14:46.33 | koen | alphaone: wrong CMDLINE for the kernel? |
| 14:46.57 | XorA | koen: ttySAC0 is also console |
| 14:47.10 | koen | so a wrong CMDLINE |
| 14:47.19 | XorA | koen: yeah |
| 14:47.28 | alphaone | koen: It's not a wrong cmdline if you have the debug board connected |
| 14:48.04 | alphaone | koen: Since then you want the serial console on ttySAC0... |
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| 14:48.34 | koen | alphaone: ehm |
| 14:48.40 | koen | alphaone: IT'S A PHONE!!!! |
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| 14:49.00 | koen | people with a debug board can use uboot to frob CMDLINE |
| 14:49.20 | XorA | you dont even need a debug board to fix u-boot |
| 14:49.32 | CM | aloril: With all your spell weaving handwaving talk you must love this screen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jLmwjN4wwE ;) |
| 14:49.46 | alphaone | koen: Now it is, yeah :-) |
| 14:51.49 | alphaone | koen: So just remove the commandline in the u-boot environment and submit a bug report |
| 14:53.30 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1439 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-base/openmoko-theme-standard_svn.bb: oe/openmoko-base: ensure our theme is active (ugly hack for now) |
| 14:55.20 | XorA | the coolest hack would be to prefix all console messages with an AT command that does nothing |
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| 14:56.26 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1440 10/trunk/oe/packages/gsm/ (files/gsmd libgsmd_svn.bb): oe/gsm: add (temporary demo) hack to gsmd start script setting alsa handset mode |
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| 14:59.49 | koen | mickeyl: getting in gear to ship p1? |
| 15:01.04 | mickeyl | kind of |
| 15:01.04 | guaqua | zecke: can you give a link to your python related stuff? and if you need hosting, i have a server with 5MB upstream available |
| 15:01.05 | mickeyl | i want the guys in Taiwan to be able to demo a phone call out-of-the-box |
| 15:01.14 | mickeyl | hopefully somewhere later today this is finished |
| 15:01.24 | mickeyl | then i can go on banging some sense into the dialer |
| 15:02.04 | zecke | guaqua: I'm still waiting for a functional projects site |
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| 15:03.03 | guaqua | so you have basic hosting? |
| 15:03.23 | zecke | guaqua: projects.openmoko.org but the svn repository is not functional |
| 15:05.02 | koen | alphaone: another #256 dance solved it |
| 15:05.04 | guaqua | can you still give an url so i can tinker with stuff in the meantime? :) |
| 15:05.30 | zecke | guaqua: http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~freyther/python-openmoko-0.3.tar.bz2 |
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| 15:05.55 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: FeedReader for OpenMoko |
| 15:06.06 | guaqua | are you giving out the sources of the feedreader, zecke? |
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| 15:06.38 | zecke | guaqua: http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~freyther/openmoko-rssreader-0.0.1.tar.bz2 |
| 15:07.09 | guaqua | tanks |
| 15:07.10 | zecke | mickeyl: it looks like ttf dejavu is not fetchable :} |
| 15:07.12 | guaqua | thanks that is |
| 15:08.09 | koen|away | phonecall! |
| 15:08.47 | mickeyl | zecke: that's hrw's baby |
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| 15:09.40 | XorA | koen: you are too late |
| 15:10.09 | koen|away | XorA: sssssht! |
| 15:10.37 | XorA | koen|away: actually I cant remeber if the angstrom-bootstrap I used for debugging the neo audio was EABI or not |
| 15:10.58 | hrw | zecke: fscking sf.net |
| 15:11.14 | koen|away | heh |
| 15:11.18 | pH5 | koen|away: are you using openmoko or angstrom as distro? |
| 15:11.34 | koen|away | my number is being recognized as "<number>ATD<number>" |
| 15:11.39 | koen|away | pH5: angstrom |
| 15:11.47 | koen|away | pH5: I don't use clones ;) |
| 15:11.58 | pH5 | nice. |
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| 15:13.21 | CM | koen|away: Is there an Openmoko-angstrom_for_dummies wiki page? :) |
| 15:14.17 | koen|away | http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/the-short-and-sweet-guide-to-building-openmoko-for-ngstr-m |
| 15:15.58 | CM | Nice :) |
| 15:16.48 | koen|away | (no need for the svn overlay) |
| 15:17.33 | zecke | hrw: :) |
| 15:17.45 | zecke | mickeyl: see, for ttf-dejavu no new bugreports are created |
| 15:17.49 | CM | Who picked Ångström for the name btw? Å is a tricky char for many ppl |
| 15:17.59 | koen|away | CM: mickeyl and me |
| 15:18.10 | mickeyl | :) |
| 15:18.36 | XorA | the Cabal |
| 15:18.40 | CM | I like it of course, being swedish and actually getting to use my å-key |
| 15:19.11 | koen|away | option-shift-a on a mac |
| 15:19.15 | mjr | at least it'll remind people not to assume ascii-only |
| 15:19.46 | mjr | åf cåurse I alså have it ån my keybåard, being Finnish |
| 15:20.34 | Stephmw | mjr: stripping out the '?' I saw... "f curse I als have it n my keybard, being Finnish" |
| 15:20.46 | Stephmw | at least you're still comprehensible :) |
| 15:21.38 | mjr | well, you're running irssi, so you should be able to use utf-8, depending on how well your local, settings and terminal agree |
| 15:21.45 | mjr | locale |
| 15:22.05 | hrw | here Ã… is ralt+shift+[ then shift-a |
| 15:22.05 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1441 10/trunk/src/target/debug/input/input.pro: debug/input: use gcc to link |
| 15:23.29 | Stephmw | mjr: I have the ungodly mixture of irssi, SCREEN and PuTTY.... haven't found an agreeable way of displaying utf8 yet |
| 15:24.18 | vmaster | uhm... putty is so win32ish...? |
| 15:24.28 | Stephmw | hey, I'm at work, no choice :) |
| 15:24.38 | Stephmw | can't ssh from the linux buildfarm |
| 15:24.42 | vmaster | hehehe, ok |
| 15:24.43 | balrog-kun | screen needs to be run with -U to pass UTF8 on my computer |
| 15:24.46 | mjr | I do believe that putty will happily show utf-8, given a unicode font |
| 15:24.56 | CM | Stephmw: I have too |
| 15:25.01 | koen|away | Stephmw: screen -U |
| 15:25.02 | balrog-kun | but it's doable with irssi and screen |
| 15:25.08 | mjr | balrog-kun, -U forces utf-8 mode in screen, yes, however if you run it in an UTF-8 locale, it's not required |
| 15:25.16 | vmaster | screens seems to have no problem with UTF-8 here... |
| 15:25.20 | vmaster | ah, yeah |
| 15:25.32 | balrog-kun | yea |
| 15:25.55 | mjr | I still do need the -U switch on my irc box, as that's the Uni's old Solaris |
| 15:26.22 | Stephmw | how would I go about finding out what my default locale is? |
| 15:26.38 | hrw | Stephmw: run 'locale'? |
| 15:26.43 | PBeck | hi |
| 15:27.20 | Stephmw | hrw: LANG is empty, as is LC_ALL, the rest shows POSIX |
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| 15:28.12 | mjr | POSIX has ASCII as its charset, so no wonder you don't see any fancier characters :] |
| 15:30.00 | XorA | someone port this to Neo http://www.ngltc.org/train_depot/td.htm |
| 15:31.31 | shres | hey, i am trying to build a distro for the simputer (http://simputer.org), i tried the getting started guide and have now built core-utils based on linux-2.6.18. Now i see the target has a bunch of ipkg files, how can you install this onto the device? |
| 15:31.32 | aloril | shres: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 15:32.28 | shres | i ask about oe here since, the openmoko project does similar stuff. |
| 15:32.48 | vmaster | shres: i believe there's #oe |
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| 15:33.29 | shres | vmaster, oh thanks, i tried #openembedded and it had only one person. Sorry for the inconvenience |
| 15:33.59 | vmaster | shres: you're welcome |
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| 15:37.13 | hrw | shres: #oe |
| 15:41.39 | koen|away | mickey|lunch: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/images/neo-calling.png |
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| 15:45.39 | koen|away | nice to see contact pictures are supported as well |
| 15:48.55 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Battery/de%26action%3Dedit]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 16:36.42 | Sup3rkiddo | rwhitby: pingy |
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| 16:42.04 | Sup3rkiddo | ok...the MokoMakefile is looking for ttf-dejavu-2.15 but only 2.12 exists...well i did a sneak by downloading it and renaming it..but didntwork at the install phase.. |
| 16:42.23 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1442 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/icons/ (133 files in 17 dirs): * Added icon theme files and layout |
| 16:45.20 | TobiX | Sup3rkiddo: You can change the sourceforge mirror in openmoko/trunk/oe/conf/site.conf ... |
| 16:45.40 | Sup3rkiddo | TobiX: thanks mate...found it |
| 16:45.42 | TobiX | Sup3rkiddo: switch.dl.sf.net has the file... |
| 16:46.02 | Sup3rkiddo | TobiX: oh..i changed the 2.15 to 2.12..oh well... |
| 16:46.07 | Sup3rkiddo | TobiX: thanks |
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| 16:48.55 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[ChangeLog]] [[OpenMoko_Wiki_Editing_Guidelines/de]] |
| 16:57.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1443 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/icons/ (AUTHORS COPYING ChangeLog NEWS README): * Add files required by autotools |
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| 16:58.02 | koen | Sup3rkiddo: the makefile isn't looking for anything |
| 16:59.46 | Sup3rkiddo | koen: hmm..yeah..i found that by now...:D, i thought the Makefile was a script like that e17 script |
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| 17:24.26 | empty_mind | dont know if this query reach the channel earlier as i got disconnected. But anyone has a workaround to this http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=244 |
| 17:25.32 | Magon | cc1: internal compiler error: in add_path, at c-incpath.c:362 |
| 17:25.37 | Magon | why? why to me? |
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| 17:29.05 | Elrond | counter |
| 17:29.05 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 6 days 18:30:54 (13.771 +-7.0 days) (578) |
| 17:30.17 | empty_mind | aloril, out of curosity, you a human , a bot or some hybrid thingie |
| 17:30.40 | natp | Hi all. We're interested in buying a few neo1973 handsets as a platform for context-aware mobile apps. What's the process of ordering or pre-ordering? |
| 17:31.37 | Magon | natp: when you need it? |
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| 17:36.31 | SpeedEvil | there is no announced process as yet. |
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| 17:40.49 | natp | Magon: ASAP |
| 17:41.01 | natp | OpenMoko looks much nicer than the greenphone |
| 17:41.12 | natp | Partly because I'm used to Gtk+ programming |
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| 17:41.20 | natp | And also because of the vibrant community |
| 17:41.43 | natp | We want to release our research software and get it into as many hands as possible to see what people can come up with |
| 17:42.26 | koen | natp: context-aware, as in location-based? |
| 17:43.35 | natp | koen: location and other things |
| 17:43.59 | natp | we're working on a set of services that would allow apps to be extensible with new context-aware capabilities without change |
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| 17:44.31 | natp | so, for example, a messaging app would be able to send messages to rooms in a building when you enter a building that provides that service |
| 17:45.06 | natp | or you could write a music player controller (playlist) app that picked songs that matched the current weather |
| 17:45.21 | natp | etc. etc. |
| 17:45.41 | SpeedEvil | need a weathervane. |
| 17:45.43 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 17:46.02 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.25 | natp | we're also experimenting with body sensors and some people in the team are working on algorithms to infer context from your activities |
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| 17:46.32 | natp | and sensor readings |
| 17:46.49 | natp | SpeedEvil: Lazy Sunday Afternoon by the Kinks |
| 17:47.03 | natp | as long as you've got a big enough SD card! |
| 17:47.25 | c5jr | hi |
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| 17:48.56 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Current_events]] |
| 17:52.21 | c5jr | $350 for the phone... I can get an openezx phone for ~$150 right now |
| 17:52.24 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1446 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-base/openmoko-icon-theme-standard_svn.bb: oe: add recipe for openmoko-icon-theme |
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| 17:53.51 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1448 10/trunk/oe/packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb: oe/tasks: add openmoko-icon-theme to task-openmoko |
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| 17:55.19 | pH5 | c5jr: so get an openezx phone and help porting openmoko to qvga :) |
| 17:55.44 | c5jr | I have an openezx phone and have been doing some work for almost a year now :) |
| 17:55.58 | c5jr | I just need to know what direction to go in... I am swamped at my full-time work |
| 17:55.59 | SP8472 | pH5: i assume this also means porting openmoko to "having no touchscreen"? |
| 17:56.00 | aloril | SP8472: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:56.40 | mickeyl | empty_mind: yes, a new project proposed trigger would be nice |
| 17:56.55 | SP8472 | that might actually be more work than reducing the res., assuming usability is supposed to not suck |
| 17:56.56 | mickeyl | hmm someone has proposed a spanish project |
| 17:57.11 | mickeyl | i can't understand anything :D |
| 17:58.51 | pH5 | SP8472: oh, I didn't know that there are touchscreenless ezx phones. |
| 17:58.57 | pH5 | maybe those would be better off with gpephone. |
| 17:59.36 | c5jr | yeah they have a few touchscreenless ezxs |
| 17:59.44 | c5jr | but theyre mostly useless imo |
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| 18:51.26 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.34 | zecke|moko | mickey|sports: http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~freyther/mokolibs-klammern-r0.diff |
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| 20:35.19 | abraxa__ | KLinux: See http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=264 |
| 20:37.41 | KLinux | abraxa__: Ah, thanks a lot. I didnt know that these problems are also handled by bugzilla. |
| 20:38.13 | abraxa__ | You're welcome ;3 |
| 20:38.24 | zecke|moko | instead of curing symptoms, fix the root cause... |
| 20:38.51 | KLinux | I now recompile for i686... |
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| 20:49.56 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[OpenMoko_Wiki_Editing_Guidelines/de]] |
| 20:53.09 | abraxa__ | zecke|moko: The only fix for the root cause seems to be to alter the .bb file for libelf - since I neither know who's in charge of that recipe nor got any developer feedback on bugzilla I think I did all I can do at this point |
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| 20:55.17 | guaqua | abraxa__: might be openembedded issue |
| 20:56.59 | abraxa__ | Well yes but the OE developers seem to dislike DISTRO="openmoko" bugs on their bugzilla, so... ;) |
| 20:59.19 | guaqua | well if it also applies to others |
| 20:59.27 | guaqua | whenever it's built for x86 that is |
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| 21:50.26 | KLinux | I will leave now. Thanks for your help! |
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| 22:06.47 | Elrond | counter |
| 22:06.47 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 6 days 13:53:12 (13.579 +-7.0 days) (580) |
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| 22:24.27 | pavelm | Heya, everyone. |
| 22:24.36 | zecke|moko | pavelm: hi |
| 22:25.06 | pavelm | Reading openmoko planet.... it seems like userland is finally getting to shape. |
| 22:25.45 | pavelm | Is it time to flash new version, or should I wait a bit more? |
| 22:26.26 | pavelm | also... did anyone get python/pygtk working on openmoko? |
| 22:26.37 | pavelm | I'm bit afraid of setting up cross-gtk... |
| 22:27.00 | zecke|moko | pavelm: ph5 made pygtk2.6 cross compile, I don't know if he tried it on his neo |
| 22:28.57 | pavelm | I was thinking about terminal emulator with touchscreen support... |
| 22:29.24 | pavelm | ...just add few labels around the corners, and get ability to send some 10 keys to console application. |
| 22:29.39 | pavelm | ...10 keys should be enough to get mutt running. |
| 22:29.48 | zecke|moko | öa |
| 22:29.54 | pavelm | ...but I do not think I want to code it in C. |
| 22:30.00 | pavelm | "Asa"? |
| 22:30.07 | zecke|moko | pavelm: try to control it with the power of your mind |
| 22:30.27 | zecke|moko | pavelm: "Asa" equals my inability to type... |
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| 22:32.01 | pavelm | zecke: I already use power of my mind to control horses, so I'll have to use hands to control computers ;-) |
| 22:33.19 | zecke|moko | pavelm: hehe, try pygtk2.6 (I think it hit OE) |
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| 22:33.27 | zecke|moko | mickeyl: have you seen my "klammer" patch? |
| 22:33.29 | mickeyl | pavelm: give us two or three more weeks and then it's time to install a new userland |
| 22:33.32 | mickeyl | zecke|moko: not yet, wher? |
| 22:33.39 | zecke|moko | mickeyl: scroll up |
| 22:34.08 | mickeyl | how many lines? |
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| 22:35.05 | mickeyl | ok |
| 22:35.12 | zecke|moko | mickeyl: some |
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| 22:35.25 | mickeyl | looks good |
| 22:35.28 | mickeyl | applying that |
| 22:35.29 | zecke|moko | mickeyl: http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~freyther/mokolibs-klammern-r0.diff |
| 22:35.35 | mickeyl | ya found it |
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| 22:38.09 | pavelm | mickey: Okay, I guess I'll have to live with tui for few more weeks. Either that, or get openmoko buildsystem to work. |
| 22:38.46 | robtaylor | CoreDump|afk: hey, where did you upload that oe chroot you made? |
| 22:38.47 | zecke|moko | pavelm: it works, ask hrw or us to hel you |
| 22:39.13 | zecke|moko | mickeyl: I'm victim of a really evil ATK+/Gail bug :( |
| 22:39.53 | zecke|moko | (and not using a SCM for my work feels so wrong...) |
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| 22:40.24 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1449 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/libmokoui/ (6 files): openmoko-libs/libmokoui: fix brackets in macros and clean up a bit. patch by Holger 'Zecke' Freyther -- thanks! |
| 22:41.31 | zecke|moko | mickeyl: you just played table tennis? |
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| 22:42.11 | mickeyl | ya |
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| 22:42.16 | mickeyl | usual practice twice a week |
| 22:42.34 | zecke|moko | I have excercised my bike for the first time this year... |
| 22:42.37 | mickeyl | zecke|moko: re. SCM. I'm going to fight for giving you access to OM svn |
| 22:42.53 | mickeyl | zecke|moko: it makes sense for openmoko-feedreader to be developed there, don't you think? |
| 22:42.55 | zecke|moko | this is not my intention |
| 22:43.24 | zecke|moko | mickeyl: svn:external is good enough for such things (one of the few strength's of svn) |
| 22:43.27 | mickeyl | i know, but would you do it or not? |
| 22:43.50 | parag0n | counter |
| 22:43.50 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 6 days 13:16:09 (13.553 +-7.0 days) (581) |
| 22:44.20 | mickeyl | zecke|moko: I want to get key people access anyway |
| 22:44.25 | mickeyl | so let me start w/ you as a guinea pig |
| 22:44.34 | zecke|moko | e.g. (if more contributors show up) a long term stragey for OpenMoko could be to host everything on projects.openmoko.org and grand access individually |
| 22:44.51 | parag0n | is the wiki dead? |
| 22:44.51 | mickeyl | zecke|moko: ya, that's definitly a good long term plan |
| 22:44.52 | zecke|moko | mickeyl: and with svn:external you can export a global and complete OM-2007 |
| 22:45.49 | mickeyl | hmm interesting |
| 22:50.28 | zecke | prom: feel free to set unfiltered on ;) |
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| 22:56.57 | zecke | mickeyl: attributes == properties in regard to gtk_tree_view_column_set_attributes? |
| 22:57.18 | mickeyl | afaict yes |
| 22:58.56 | philippe | mhh, I wonder what is wrong. |
| 22:58.59 | philippe | /home/fille/mydev/openmoko/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/autoconf-native-2.59-r5/temp/run.do_configure.29952: line 215: storcenter-image_do_configure: command not found |
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| 22:59.27 | philippe | where the hell is that storcenter-image_do_configure coming from? |
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| 23:01.46 | pavelm | I just got pygtk running (on notebook)... and it looks like quite nice scripting environment for openmoko. |
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| 23:05.49 | zecke | pavelm: right |
| 23:12.15 | zecke | mickeyl: hmm, can you reach gtk.org? |
| 23:14.19 | pavelm|afc | gtk.org is unreachable for me. |
| 23:14.22 | philippe | zecke: I can't either |
| 23:16.01 | zecke | thanks, developer.gnome.org is my last resort then |
| 23:17.05 | zecke | philippe: did you ever toy with with gtk_tree_view_columns? |
| 23:18.23 | Elrond | Hi pavelm|afc ! |
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| 23:20.03 | philippe | zecke: I did, but I never got it completely... |
| 23:20.34 | zecke | philippe: I know that _autosize is... not doing what I want |
| 23:20.57 | zecke | philippe: I can either give a fixed mim/max width to my column, or be complelety lost |
| 23:22.26 | pavelm | Hi, Elrond. |
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| 23:28.12 | zecke | later |
| 23:28.41 | pavelm | bye, zecke. |
| 23:28.57 | pavelm | (pavel lies in bed, but that's okay) |
| 23:29.55 | philippe | bye zecke |
| 23:30.52 | zecke | I really should start to sleep here... |
| 23:31.41 | pavelm | ...shall I mail you a bed? |
| 23:32.01 | pavelm | ...if the weather is something like here.... I don't envy you the biking experience. |
| 23:32.35 | Elrond | BTW: Did any P0 owner rebuild their own kernels? |
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| 23:36.56 | pavelm | Elrond: Not yet.... but I should have capable toolchain. |
| 23:37.14 | pavelm | Elrond: I did not see patches in any very public place... |
| 23:39.19 | *** join/#openmoko helb (n=helb@84.244.90.159) |
| 23:41.33 | pavelm | Elrond: Is there nice big patch ready for applying somewhere? |
| 23:41.34 | Elrond | pavelm - I could create a patch for gps-power-management. ;o) |
| 23:42.06 | Elrond | pavelm - svn has the neo-patches one should apply on top of 2.6.20.2 |
| 23:42.34 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: I have build and tested around 40 kernels so far. :) |
| 23:42.54 | pavelm | ...everybody knows kernels should be stored in git. |
| 23:43.17 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: It's a quilt patchset in svn |
| 23:43.18 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - :-)) |
| 23:50.56 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Bootloader]] |
| 23:55.42 | Elrond | aloril - What about adding the change comment from the RecentChanges thing? :) |
