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| 00:08.05 | daniel_bergamini | is there a compiled kernel and disk image available for someone to try it on another platform |
| 00:08.07 | daniel_bergamini | ? |
| 00:15.55 | zecke | nite |
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| 00:20.54 | abraxa_ | daniel_bergamini: Not that I know of |
| 00:21.09 | daniel_bergamini | gotta build it from scratch? |
| 00:21.36 | abraxa_ | Well, what platform are we looking at? |
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| 00:25.10 | daniel_bergamini | thinking of trying to boot it on my jornada 2007 |
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| 00:35.05 | abraxa_ | Hmm... jornada... what system is it? ARM or something else? |
| 00:37.35 | balrog-kun | abraxa_: yes, it's an arm machine |
| 00:37.55 | balrog-kun | daniel_bergamini: yes, there are daily builds of openmoko, kernel bootloader etc |
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| 00:38.32 | balrog-kun | there's no point in trying the kernel |
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| 00:49.35 | SuN | There's a new Jornada out, or is that a typo? |
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| 00:54.41 | daniel_bergamini | sorry jornada 720, not sure where 2007 came from |
| 00:54.51 | daniel_bergamini | was on the phone and clearly wasn't paying attention |
| 00:59.53 | daniel_bergamini | how about the system with my own kernel? |
| 01:00.13 | daniel_bergamini | like a root filesystem .tgz |
| 01:04.00 | roh | just compile it |
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| 01:04.47 | daniel_bergamini | compile what? is there a list of packages or build from scratch instructions somewhere? |
| 01:05.53 | roh | of course.. in the wiki |
| 01:06.45 | daniel_bergamini | always gotta go back to the main page |
| 01:07.22 | roh | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 01:07.49 | daniel_bergamini | fantastic |
| 01:07.58 | daniel_bergamini | hadn't found that yet |
| 01:08.26 | roh | its right on the front page of the wiki |
| 01:08.57 | daniel_bergamini | yeah it's a lot of information to take in all at once |
| 01:09.39 | roh | ;) |
| 01:11.49 | SpeedEvil | On rounding: http://xkcd.com/c217.html |
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| 01:15.54 | jipi | counter |
| 01:15.54 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks, a day 10:44:05 (15.447 +-7.0 days) (568) |
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| 01:45.59 | sumasuma | can anyone please help me with the build ? |
| 01:46.00 | sumasuma | http://pastebin.ca/401024 |
| 01:46.15 | sumasuma | it says file not found on openmoko |
| 01:46.18 | sumasuma | and it is |
| 01:46.22 | sumasuma | when i check through web |
| 01:46.28 | sumasuma | don't know how to proceed with the build |
| 01:54.45 | roh | sumasuma somehow svn fetch did not work (but should) |
| 01:54.59 | roh | its normal the http get does not succeed in that case |
| 01:55.22 | sumasuma | i don't know where to modify and get it to work |
| 01:55.27 | sumasuma | i tried more than one time |
| 01:55.33 | sumasuma | ends up in same error |
| 01:56.12 | stefan_schmidt | sumasuma: Try to remove the dates dir in sources/SVN/ |
| 01:57.03 | sumasuma | there is no sources/SVN |
| 01:57.07 | sumasuma | there is only sources |
| 01:58.03 | stefan_schmidt | sumasuma: no sources/svn/openmoko-dates? |
| 01:58.03 | sumasuma | [root@localhost sources]# ls S* |
| 01:58.04 | sumasuma | SDL-1.2.9.tar.gz SDL-1.2.9.tar.gz.md5 |
| 01:58.21 | stefan_schmidt | must be lowercase |
| 01:58.40 | sumasuma | yes |
| 01:58.42 | sumasuma | there is |
| 01:58.49 | stefan_schmidt | sumasuma: btw, working as root is not a good idea. |
| 01:58.49 | sumasuma | remove that one ? |
| 01:59.04 | stefan_schmidt | sumasuma: Remove the complete openmoko-dates dir |
| 02:02.23 | sumasuma | i'm creating new user and moving it to that user maintain the same directory structure |
| 02:02.42 | stefan_schmidt | sumasuma: sounds good |
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| 02:16.01 | sumasuma | stefan_schmidt: http://pastebin.ca/401054 |
| 02:16.05 | sumasuma | did not work |
| 02:16.08 | sumasuma | it is the same |
| 02:16.33 | sumasuma | when i check through web, i also found that the file is not threre |
| 02:17.05 | sumasuma | The requested URL /sources/openmoko_svn.o-hand.com_.repos.dates.branches._345_.tar.gz was not found on this server. |
| 02:17.52 | roh | fsck. i triggered bug 212 unintentionally |
| 02:18.09 | stefan_schmidt | sumasuma: That's why he fall back to svn checkout, which fails |
| 02:18.17 | sumasuma | yes |
| 02:18.22 | stefan_schmidt | sumasuma: The goal to get svn checkout working again |
| 02:18.42 | sumasuma | how would i do that ? |
| 02:18.55 | stefan_schmidt | sumasuma: moment, let me take a look |
| 02:20.09 | sumasuma | stefan_schmidt: thanks |
| 02:21.59 | stefan_schmidt | sumasuma: Try to remove build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/openmoko-dates-0.1+svnnow-r4_345/openmoko/.svn , too. Perhaps the revison number doesn't match yours. |
| 02:22.30 | sumasuma | one moment |
| 02:23.43 | sumasuma | i don't have .svn directory in that path |
| 02:23.49 | sumasuma | i have until openmoko |
| 02:24.35 | sumasuma | stefan_schmidt: http://pastebin.ca/401064 |
| 02:25.56 | stefan_schmidt | sumasuma: hmm, I'm out of ideas now. |
| 02:28.28 | sumasuma | stefan_schmidt: is there is any other way of retrieving by hand and assiting the script to pick it up ? |
| 02:31.05 | stefan_schmidt | sumasuma: I think yes, but don't have this off hand. Try to search the openembedded wiki and bitbake manual. |
| 02:31.52 | sumasuma | stefan_schmidt: i will drop this project off, i don't have much more time to research on this. will check it back once it becomes stable |
| 02:32.00 | sumasuma | stefan_schmidt: thanks your timely help |
| 02:32.14 | stefan_schmidt | sumasuma: np |
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| 02:39.52 | Readon | | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-openmoko-demo: |
| 02:39.52 | Readon | | mplayer |
| 02:40.09 | Readon | this bug is still existed. |
| 02:47.35 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1396 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-taskmanager/ (7 files in 3 dirs): use root window message handle function to realise close and active window functions instead of using matchbox WM command, delete patch for matchbox WM |
| 02:49.16 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1397 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-taskmanager/src/ (popupmenu.c popupmenu.h): remove popupmenu |
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| 02:54.02 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1398 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-taskmanager/src/callbacks.h: small bug fixed |
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| 03:20.13 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1399 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-taskmanager/ (6 files in 2 dirs): add dbus message send function |
| 03:24.52 | aloril | not seen this link here yet: http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/03/18#20070318-one_week_of_taipeh |
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| 03:45.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1400 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-taskmanager/src/callbacks.c: add dbus send function |
| 03:53.41 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03tony_guan * r1401 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/src/ (4 files): talking window display/dtmf input box/dialer autocomplete. |
| 03:56.13 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 04:40.33 | empty_mind | guys has something changed or am i making a mistake. Why i am getting this error during make openmoko-devel-image using mokomakefile http://pastebin.ca/401167 |
| 04:46.00 | MacNorth | the file http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/patches_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.kernel_1331_.tar.gz doesn't exist, so maybe the bb file is wrong |
| 04:47.19 | MacNorth | http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/patches_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.kernel_1193_.tar.gz is there, so maybe it's the new one |
| 04:47.36 | MacNorth | that or http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/patches_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.kernel__now.tar.gz |
| 04:47.39 | MacNorth | is all there is atm :) |
| 04:57.02 | empty_mind | hmm |
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| 04:58.29 | aloril | "tui now can call on openmoko": http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/36076.html |
| 04:58.42 | roh | MacNorth that url normally fails... it rhould fetch svn then |
| 05:00.23 | MacNorth | yeah, i'm seeing it now |
| 05:00.41 | MacNorth | looks like the gta01-kernel-2.6-moko8-r1_0_1331_0 should be removed and invoke make again |
| 05:01.14 | empty_mind | how can i report bug for mokomakefile |
| 05:01.24 | empty_mind | rwhitby is not here atm |
| 05:05.44 | MacNorth | i don't think it's a bug, just a glitch |
| 05:07.27 | aloril | "PyMoko python-openmoko (python for openmoko project)" http://www.vivekkhurana.com/pymoko/2007/03/17/what-is-pymoko/ |
| 05:07.32 | MacNorth | try removing the dir build/tmp/work/fic-gta01-linux/gta01-kernel-2.6-moko8-r1_0_1331_0/ |
| 05:09.18 | empty_mind | man how the hell you find that link ? |
| 05:09.26 | empty_mind | i ahve not publicized it at all |
| 05:09.40 | empty_mind | just created it two days aga |
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| 05:12.23 | MacNorth | google alerts baby! |
| 05:12.35 | aloril | empty_mind: google blog search |
| 05:13.13 | empty_mind | hmm |
| 05:13.36 | empty_mind | anyways, this blog will keep an updated report of development of pyhton portig on opnmoko |
| 05:14.01 | empty_mind | sorry guys my keyboard is frapped, so i am missing some stroks |
| 05:14.22 | MacNorth | you should try this trick: http://xkcd.com/c237.html |
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| 05:16.09 | empty_mind | MacNorth: tried it, no use |
| 05:17.28 | MacNorth | i've seen the "svn: Cannot replace a directory from within" error once or twice in here, but i can't remember the fix :-\ |
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| 05:23.00 | empty_mind | MacNorth: normal fix is do make clean-package-<foo> where foo is the package name. Then do make all |
| 05:23.27 | MacNorth | but the svn error persists? |
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| 05:24.05 | empty_mind | MacNorth: in my case yes |
| 05:26.30 | empty_mind | MacNorth: would you like to try this http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070318 |
| 05:27.06 | MacNorth | i'd be worried about being observed |
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| 05:35.21 | Sup3rkiddo | hello everyone..while building the openmoki-devel-image i am getting the following error http://pastebin.ca/401223 |
| 05:40.09 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: Haven't seen that one before, I'll try to build now and see if I get it |
| 05:40.42 | Sup3rkiddo | CM: thanks :)...i am using MokoMakefile fyi |
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| 05:41.21 | CM | Same here, parsing the bitbake files now. |
| 05:43.19 | Sup3rkiddo | CM: while parsing it skipped some 188 files...is that normal..first time playing with openmoko.. |
| 05:45.00 | unmadindu | Sup3rkiddo: looks like issues with your neon library. try to recompile svn by hand (using external neon) and try again |
| 05:45.44 | Sup3rkiddo | unmadindu: hi there....neon?..hmm |
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| 05:48.35 | Sup3rkiddo | I am using gentoo btw...must have messed some use flags |
| 05:53.48 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: You'll probably get stuck on a perl issue later on too if you get past this neon thing. Look at http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1988 comment 5 and 6 :) |
| 05:54.23 | Sup3rkiddo | lol...bad day then |
| 05:54.44 | CM | Well, the image just finished building here |
| 05:55.09 | Sup3rkiddo | CM: well, i have an amd xp 2000+, so no issues there |
| 05:58.35 | Sup3rkiddo | CM: does bitcake skip some files for you? |
| 05:58.50 | CM | Only when i re-run it |
| 05:59.25 | CM | So yes, it does not rebuild things that are already up to date |
| 06:00.08 | Sup3rkiddo | CM: yes...but i remember it didnt parse some files during the initial build as well |
| 06:00.54 | CM | Have you done a: make update-makefile; make update ;make setup |
| 06:01.40 | Sup3rkiddo | CM: no..only make update..i will try oing that.. |
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| 06:12.44 | unmadindu | guys, any comments on the proposed Gstreamer OpenMoko integration ? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-March/000710.html |
| 06:13.00 | sumasuma | looks like google releasing mobile phone with linux |
| 06:13.54 | empty_mind | sumasuma: yaa have a look at http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070318 |
| 06:14.01 | Sup3rkiddo | sumasuma: saw userfriendly? :P |
| 06:15.06 | sumasuma | yes |
| 06:15.10 | Sup3rkiddo | unmadindu: are you doing something in there? |
| 06:15.14 | sumasuma | good for catroon |
| 06:15.17 | sumasuma | *cartoon |
| 06:15.27 | unmadindu | Sup3rkiddo: a proposal at present |
| 06:15.35 | Sup3rkiddo | unmadindu: kewl.. |
| 06:16.15 | sumasuma | i have no hope of making a image build with MokoMakefile |
| 06:16.54 | sumasuma | Sup3rkiddo: you can successfully build image with MokoMakefile ? |
| 06:17.06 | sumasuma | or any other alternatives tried ? |
| 06:17.32 | Sup3rkiddo | sumasuma: nope..2nd try..left overnight and went kaput...try updating the Makefile...make update-make |
| 06:17.40 | Sup3rkiddo | sumasuma: nope..2nd try..left overnight and went kaput...try updating the Makefile...make update-makefile |
| 06:17.55 | sumasuma | worked ? |
| 06:18.05 | sumasuma | or still updating ? |
| 06:18.51 | empty_mind | well guys first build of openmoko takes about 3-4 days, then you are versed with all workarounds. So be patient ;-) |
| 06:19.14 | Readon | | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-openmoko-demo: |
| 06:19.15 | Readon | | mplayer |
| 06:19.15 | Readon | this bug still existed. |
| 06:19.20 | sumasuma | empty_mind: i don't mind even a week, if it builds, but it breaks and sleep :) |
| 06:19.28 | Sup3rkiddo | sumasuma: still going on mate |
| 06:19.45 | empty_mind | sumasuma: naa it will build, most of us have built it |
| 06:19.51 | sumasuma | ha ha |
| 06:20.21 | sumasuma | empty_mind: you are wrong somewhere, it goes without problem, then ok, but what happens when there is a problem ? |
| 06:21.03 | sumasuma | empty_mind: i don't want to lie or degrade MokoMakefile or openmoko, but it is the pits from my side |
| 06:22.20 | sumasuma | i don't want others also to loose their time, i prefer to update in the wiki until it works |
| 06:22.40 | Sup3rkiddo | sumasuma: well if you are using gentoo you wouldn say that :P |
| 06:22.53 | sumasuma | i'm using fedora core 6 :) |
| 06:23.06 | sumasuma | i got the suggestion from here that it worked fine for someone here |
| 06:23.36 | Sup3rkiddo | sumasuma: dunno...but maybe post your error messages somewhere |
| 06:24.17 | sumasuma | Sup3rkiddo: http://pastebin.ca/401064 , i will also point this in the wiki |
| 06:25.07 | Sup3rkiddo | sumasuma: i fail to see that problem there |
| 06:25.25 | sumasuma | Sup3rkiddo: where ? |
| 06:25.41 | Sup3rkiddo | sumasuma: in the pastebin you gave me |
| 06:25.43 | sumasuma | Sup3rkiddo: you say there is no problem in the build ? |
| 06:26.01 | sumasuma | one moment |
| 06:26.25 | sumasuma | pastebin |
| 06:26.42 | sumasuma | http://pastebin.ca/401054 |
| 06:26.50 | sumasuma | this is the correct one |
| 06:26.55 | sumasuma | sorry for the confusion above |
| 06:27.58 | Sup3rkiddo | sumasuma: np..i had this in the morning....i then updated the makefile and all is well... |
| 06:28.19 | sumasuma | i did that magic too |
| 06:28.24 | sumasuma | nothing worked |
| 06:28.29 | sumasuma | ended up with the same error |
| 06:28.29 | Sup3rkiddo | sumasuma: http://pastebin.ca/401223 |
| 06:28.38 | Sup3rkiddo | sumasuma: thats mine |
| 06:29.24 | sumasuma | that problem is due to the ssl verification error |
| 06:29.34 | empty_mind | Sup3rkiddo: sumasuma thats normal. Some one would have moved or updated the file and mokomakefile is yet to be updated |
| 06:29.37 | sumasuma | i think you did not accept the SSL certificate |
| 06:29.49 | empty_mind | remember its still sunday night in some parts of the world |
| 06:30.22 | Sup3rkiddo | sumasuma: i dunno...recompiled neon and svn and soleved it... |
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| 06:31.05 | sumasuma | empty_mind: when others say it is working for them and not working for me :( |
| 06:31.26 | sumasuma | it not working for everyone i accept it is sunday night :) |
| 06:34.13 | CM | sumasuma: You must have some old file or so.. I think +svnnow is removed |
| 06:35.18 | CM | I rebuilt the image this morning, and it worked fine |
| 06:39.26 | Sup3rkiddo | empty_mind: 9 gigs is enough for the build? right |
| 06:39.39 | empty_mind | mine took 11 gigs |
| 06:40.53 | Sup3rkiddo | empty_mind: the wiki says 7 gigs... |
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| 06:47.33 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03alex_tang * r1402 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/ (callbacks.c main.c main.h): |
| 06:47.33 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Store folder names to file foldersdb fixed. |
| 06:47.33 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Initialize to "Inbox" folder in filter menu to fix the bug: "Filter |
| 06:47.33 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Menu" by default will crash while clicking on the scroll bar. |
| 06:47.34 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Remove some unuseful debug information. |
| 06:51.55 | CM | Definitely lots of files.. du -s has been running for 4 minutes now |
| 06:52.03 | roh | its 9.0G openmoko/ |
| 06:52.31 | sumasuma | CM: yes, doing all junky works, i don't know whether it is needed for end users |
| 06:53.00 | CM | http://pastebin.ca/401278 |
| 06:53.35 | roh | on ext3 at least... it can differ when you have another blocksize or fstype |
| 06:54.19 | CM | So 9.7GB for me on reiserfs |
| 06:54.33 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1403 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 06:54.33 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 1. After initialization, the appmanager will display the installed |
| 06:54.34 | CIA-16 | openmoko: packages list. |
| 06:54.34 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 2. After install/remove/upgrade packages, the appmanager will |
| 06:54.34 | CIA-16 | openmoko: refresh all package list. |
| 06:54.49 | CM | But I can have some cruft laying around, and i have a few finished builds |
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| 07:19.24 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1404 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/src/ (package-list.c tool-box.c): |
| 07:19.24 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Show the installed package list after install, remove or upgrade |
| 07:19.24 | CIA-16 | openmoko: packages. |
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| 07:34.21 | guaqua | FATAL: oe_libinstall: unable to locate shared library |
| 07:34.37 | guaqua | mokomakefile fails at this point, building for x86 |
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| 07:41.14 | sumasuma | different people, different points |
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| 07:51.06 | rwhitby | guaqua: got a full pastebin? |
| 07:55.28 | guaqua | i think i found the error |
| 07:55.50 | guaqua | i'll put it in a pastebin when this run terminates |
| 07:56.17 | guaqua | do you want the full output or just stuff around the failing part? |
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| 07:57.34 | guaqua | rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/401310 |
| 07:58.35 | rwhitby | guaqua: I need a full log of you doing http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Reporting_Problems |
| 07:59.40 | rwhitby | ("make clean-package-libelf" being the value for <foo> in this instance) |
| 07:59.59 | guaqua | libelf in this case, i'll do that |
| 08:00.52 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1405 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/ (ChangeLog src/detail-area.c): Set unable writing attribute to the detail area |
| 08:02.27 | guaqua | i'll redo this whole process now. it will take a day. |
| 08:02.30 | guaqua | more tomorrow |
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| 08:38.17 | sumasuma | rwhitby: I'm just executing mokomakefile, for the past 48 hours, no luck installing |
| 08:38.55 | sumasuma | rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/401054 <--- this is the one i'm getting all the time |
| 08:39.29 | sumasuma | also, make file need to check for svn failure and try to run again, most of the times when i run the second time the errors get solved |
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| 08:39.45 | sumasuma | this one have run for more then 20 times, still nothing worked |
| 08:41.16 | sumasuma | anyone have prebuilt binaries for i686 platform, please kindly let me know |
| 08:41.25 | sumasuma | for fc6 |
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| 10:43.53 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 10:54.40 | empty_mind | do we ahve any packaging mechanism for installing softwares on openmoko ? |
| 10:57.43 | hrw | empty_mind: yes. ipkg |
| 10:57.58 | empty_mind | hrw, ok |
| 10:58.23 | empty_mind | hrw, anyone planning to port apt to openmoko ? apt for ipkg i mean |
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| 10:58.45 | hrw | ipkg is dpkg+apt in one |
| 10:59.00 | empty_mind | hrw cool |
| 10:59.04 | hrw | I do now know will ipkg or dpkg+apt be used |
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| 11:43.53 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] |
| 11:45.03 | hrw | aloril: create wikibot for it... |
| 11:48.32 | aloril | hrw: not sure what you mean, do you mean use IRC to edit Wiki by making wikibot or something else? |
| 11:49.44 | empty_mind | aloril, how do you get these updates? |
| 11:49.50 | hrw | aloril: second irc user. so your own talks will be split from scripts output |
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| 11:59.49 | aloril | hrw: ah |
| 12:00.06 | aloril | empty_mind: script which load recentchanges once/h |
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| 12:03.38 | abraxa_ | rwhitby: re libelf build failure guaqua has - I had the same and it appears that make was run without the --enable-shared option. After running it by hand MokoMakefile continued without any complaints. |
| 12:05.11 | rwhitby | abraxa_: which OS/platform? it works here on debian etch 32 bit x86. |
| 12:05.32 | abraxa_ | Gentoo 32bit x86 |
| 12:06.13 | rwhitby | I guess that's the thing with Gentoo - you never know just how each individual Gentoo installation is configured, which makes repeatability hard. |
| 12:06.35 | hrw | gentoo is distro which many people refuse to support |
| 12:07.10 | DenisBY | and this is sad.. |
| 12:07.30 | rwhitby | abraxa_: anyway, since libelf is standard OE, you should submit a bug report to the OE bugzilla. |
| 12:07.49 | aloril | hrw: I'll probably do that once I convert it from xchat script to something else (or I could create account for just this, but I prefer former approach) |
| 12:07.50 | hrw | DenisBY: sad? each gentoo installation is different |
| 12:07.51 | rwhitby | DenisBY: only sad for those who use Gentoo ;-) |
| 12:07.58 | abraxa_ | It surprises me however... if the --enable-shared option would be amiss (and it seems to be, judging by the .bb recipe), wouldn't that mean it works on none of the other platforms also? |
| 12:08.14 | DenisBY | rwhitby, yeah. and I'm one of them... :) |
| 12:08.17 | rwhitby | abraxa_: works here on Debian Etch and CentOS 4. |
| 12:08.31 | abraxa_ | That's what stumps me, quite frankly |
| 12:10.00 | DenisBY | opebmoko sites down? |
| 12:10.44 | rwhitby | abraxa_: from my libelf log.do_configure: "checking whether to build a shared library... yes |
| 12:10.45 | rwhitby | " |
| 12:10.55 | abraxa_ | Interesting. |
| 12:11.11 | abraxa_ | Maybe it's inherited from somewhere? |
| 12:11.20 | rwhitby | autoconf meets Gentoo is not easy to replicate. |
| 12:12.16 | abraxa_ | Sure seems that way, though I'd rather get going with OpenMoko instead of diving into Debian or any other distro ;) |
| 12:12.34 | rwhitby | abraxa_: you choose your battles ... |
| 12:12.50 | XorA | when I used to use gentoo 64bit, I had a debian chroot in my / as well, for working out when things went wierd |
| 12:13.07 | XorA | gentoo has dchroot and debootstrap in portage so its easy to do |
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| 12:13.23 | abraxa_ | Yeah, and I wanna be able to build OM before applying for a SoC project spot - otherwise that might be a tad risky to do, hehe |
| 12:14.16 | abraxa_ | XorA: I'm running the build on a gentoo chroot as well but unfortunately it's the only distro I'm really familiar with, so I don't have much of a choice atm |
| 12:16.21 | XorA | damn I never realised 4-pole jacks in 2.5mm are so rare in the uk |
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| 12:24.24 | abraxa_ | Just out of curiosity... why are some packages built for i486 and others for i686? |
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| 12:36.32 | pavelm | Heya, everyone |
| 12:38.38 | pavelm | ...I got gprs to work on openmoko.. it is now in wiki ("Manually using GPRS". |
| 12:38.58 | pavelm | ...unfortunately my wiki skills are pretty bad... so it would be nice if someone turned it into readable page. |
| 12:40.31 | pavelm | ...repeating that result would not be bad, either. |
| 12:40.49 | abraxa_ | Heya Pavelm |
| 12:41.02 | mjr | pavelm, yay |
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| 12:43.32 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:43.53 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Manually_using_GPRS]] [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] [[Manually_using_GSM]] |
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| 12:44.56 | abraxa_ | pavelm: Did you link any of the other articles to your GRPS article? If not it'd be a good idea to do so |
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| 12:47.21 | SpeedEvil | pavelm: better? (tidied) |
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| 12:57.04 | SpeedEvil | pavelm: GPRS working OK? |
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| 13:00.53 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> RE: Crossroads |
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| 13:01.01 | koen | hmmmm |
| 13:01.23 | koen | it seems that flashing http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/u-boot-gta01v3-r3_0_0_1364.bin bricked my neo |
| 13:01.43 | XorA | koen: time to test unbricking then |
| 13:01.50 | koen | yep |
| 13:01.59 | XorA | gta01v3 ??? |
| 13:02.03 | koen | if I can get the neo to poweron |
| 13:02.17 | koen | aaaah |
| 13:02.23 | koen | I scrolled down too far |
| 13:02.31 | XorA | totally the wrong uboot :-) |
| 13:02.51 | koen | I triple checked p0 was v3 :) |
| 13:04.39 | hrw | I probably got same problem during conference |
| 13:04.46 | hrw | we spend 2h to get neo reflashed |
| 13:04.50 | hrw | spent |
| 13:06.15 | hrw | XorA: which versions you lack? :D |
| 13:06.31 | XorA | hrw: I only got v3, bv2, bv3 |
| 13:06.53 | Hopscotch | ah, same problem here |
| 13:06.59 | Hopscotch | missed the b during uboot-update |
| 13:08.19 | hrw | would be great to have images/ split to v3, v4, bv3 dirs |
| 13:08.51 | pavelm | Hi, abraxa |
| 13:10.02 | pavelm | abraxa: yes, "Doing GSM manually" links to "Doing GPRS manually". Not sure what other articles should link there. |
| 13:10.21 | SpeedEvil | I put a link from some other pages |
| 13:10.34 | SpeedEvil | the ones that 'gsm manually' is linked from |
| 13:10.36 | hrw | lucky you... |
| 13:10.53 | aloril | (script) openmoko-announce: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> [openmoko-announce] RE: Crossroads |
| 13:11.12 | pavelm | speed: Thanks! ...and yes, gprs indeed seems to work ok. |
| 13:11.14 | SpeedEvil | That had me all excited for a few milliseconds. |
| 13:11.20 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:11.25 | SpeedEvil | Speeds? |
| 13:11.38 | pavelm | speed: I did not torture it too badly, but it seemed okay for ssh. |
| 13:12.39 | pavelm | speed: iSCSI over GPRS? You have too many trolls around here I'm afraid ;-). |
| 13:12.47 | SpeedEvil | He seemed serious. |
| 13:13.34 | unknown_lamer | trolls and fools appear the same |
| 13:13.42 | SpeedEvil | 'it's the ideal way to seamlessly change between access methods'... (because reading metadata at dollars a megabyte is fun!) |
| 13:13.43 | mjr | yep, iSCSI is just silly, when you should really be using, say, fuse/sshfs |
| 13:14.11 | buz | he said he was out to run iscsi on the fastest AND slowest links around |
| 13:15.20 | SpeedEvil | Ideally you want a smart agent at the far end. If you want to pull an email address from a database, you don't want to parse the database, but ask something for the record. Rather than sshfs/... |
| 13:15.55 | mjr | yeah, sure, where applicable :) |
| 13:16.49 | mjr | (I was half-serious on the sftp thingy, seems sensible to me for GPRS if you really want filesharing, since it's encrypted, can be compressed, works in userspace and is killable with connection drops, etc) |
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| 13:19.00 | mjr | but certainly you want to avoid needing that sort of thing |
| 13:19.00 | SpeedEvil | sftp isn't too bad. if you need the whole file. |
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| 13:23.32 | pavelm | mjr/speed: well, unlimited data plans are available here... maybe he just wants to torture iscsi code? |
| 13:24.00 | SpeedEvil | It was more 'iSCSI is best for everything' |
| 13:24.04 | SpeedEvil | or it seemed to be so. |
| 13:24.14 | pavelm | speed: Thanks for wiki cleanup, it certainly looks better now. |
| 13:24.24 | SpeedEvil | np. |
| 13:24.52 | pavelm | speed: I'd expect gprs speed to be 5KB/sec... as it always is on non-EDGE links. I can try it, but that means disconnecting my network. |
| 13:25.17 | SpeedEvil | never mind. |
| 13:25.24 | SpeedEvil | It's not really relevant. |
| 13:26.36 | pavelm | speed: I'll do the testing when get the chance... because if there's a problem on arm<->gsm link, this kind of test should reveal it. |
| 13:26.50 | SpeedEvil | Good point. |
| 13:26.55 | SpeedEvil | Parity errors/... would be bad. |
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| 13:31.07 | SpeedEvil | Is there a way to force a USB port to USB 1.1? without rmmod ehci_hcd that is. |
| 13:31.14 | SpeedEvil | (trying to measure power consumption of USB memory keys at various host rates. |
| 13:31.41 | pavelm | speed: rmmod seems like best option to me. |
| 13:32.01 | SpeedEvil | Got drives and stuff mounted on it - oh well. |
| 13:33.24 | greghunt | plug it into an old usb hub? |
| 13:33.35 | SpeedEvil | nah - done the rmmod thing. |
| 13:36.47 | Sup3rkiddo | 9 gigs is enough for the complete build..right? |
| 13:38.28 | SpeedEvil | Hmm - that's good - 40mA at max write speed on USB1. 200mW. Hmm. That's in the range of a very small li-ion cell if it's only needed for an hour. |
| 13:40.37 | pavelm | speed: micro/sd cards are very cheap these days, and you can get 1GB one. |
| 13:40.47 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 13:40.56 | SpeedEvil | I'm more thinking of a convenient backup solution. |
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| 13:41.17 | SpeedEvil | MicroSD card means microSD reader + external power supply. |
| 13:41.49 | SpeedEvil | An integrated tiny USB memory stick + battery + charger may be a good thing. |
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| 13:43.53 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Finger_Toolbar]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[FAQ]] [[Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review]] [[Documentation]] [[Manually_using_GPRS]] |
| 13:45.54 | pavelm | speed: well, openmoko already contains microsd reader... |
| 13:46.33 | SpeedEvil | Backing up the data on it is rather hard using only the internal reader. |
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| 13:48.27 | greghunt | what's the battery for, if you excuse the ignorance? |
| 13:48.53 | SpeedEvil | The neo's USB port has no power. |
| 13:48.59 | SpeedEvil | You need some means of powering it. |
| 13:49.49 | greghunt | ah, entiendo |
| 13:54.46 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: My build takes up 9.7GB |
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| 14:00.40 | Sup3rkiddo | CM: oops...look like i am in trouble then |
| 14:03.32 | XorA | use INHERIT += "rm_work" in local.conf and build size shrinks significantly |
| 14:04.13 | koen | XorA: I started to use that as well, should I make it default for angstrom to combat the "OMG!!! size!!" fud? |
| 14:04.19 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: I have a few completed builds around, but it's a bit tight with 9gb unless you follow XorA's advice ;) |
| 14:04.44 | XorA | koen: no, as there isnt an easy way to turn it off from local.conf |
| 14:04.52 | SpeedEvil | There are significant minorities of people out there with slow machines |
| 14:05.05 | XorA | at least I dont remeber a -= directive |
| 14:05.38 | zecke|study | XorA: INHERIT = $@{oe.filter_out(...)} |
| 14:05.44 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil: is a 2 gig AMD 2ooo+ with 768 megs of RAM considered slow? |
| 14:06.06 | SpeedEvil | Probably not. :) |
| 14:06.13 | XorA | zecke|study: out of here with you python mumbo |
| 14:06.15 | DesktopMa | mid-end I'd say |
| 14:06.25 | Sup3rkiddo | lol..ok...removed my inferiority complex |
| 14:07.39 | Sup3rkiddo | i have glibc2.5 but the makefile warns me the preferred version is 2.4...i hope no issues will arise |
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| 14:25.07 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1407 10/trunk/oe/packages/gsm/ (files/gsmd libgsmd_svn.bb): oe/gsm: start gsmd in the background (workaround until it properly daemonizes) |
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| 14:36.17 | mjr | pavelm, well, I do have an unlimited data plan too, but I still wouldn't use iSCSI ;) |
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| 14:37.25 | koen | for the openstreetmap people: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=188&aid=492&group_id=29 |
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| 14:40.23 | pH5 | koen: cool! now if only osm had a map for my city... |
| 14:40.36 | SpeedEvil | Is there a gmaps type browser for osm? |
| 14:40.44 | koen | yes |
| 14:40.50 | koen | on the openstreetmap page :) |
| 14:41.24 | pavelm | mjr: _noone_ wants to use iscsi over gprs. It is going to be extremely slow because of gprs 1sec latency. |
| 14:42.08 | koen | 1 sec latency? |
| 14:42.35 | koen | I guess my imported asian electrons lowered my gprs ping |
| 14:42.43 | koen | SpeedEvil: http://www.openstreetmap.org/index.html |
| 14:43.25 | pavelm | koen: Ok, something between 0.5sec and 1sec. |
| 14:44.05 | SpeedEvil | Though there is a road within 5 miles. |
| 14:44.47 | SpeedEvil | Annoyingly, I just lost several tens of megs of GPS logs I could have contributed. |
| 14:45.32 | SpeedEvil | OTOH - OSM tiles compress much better than gmaps! |
| 14:45.53 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Summer_of_code]] |
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| 14:46.13 | zecke|study | pH5: did you have any luck with pygtk? |
| 14:46.30 | pH5 | zecke|study: I know what went wrong. |
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| 14:47.11 | pH5 | pygtk 2.10 obviously doesn't support gtk 2.6, but it doesn't say that loud and clear during configure |
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| 14:53.15 | zecke|study | pH5: lol |
| 14:54.15 | zecke|study | pH5: hmm, http://live.gnome.org/PyGTK/WhatsNew28#head-9086d011479cb9c977b3e0f5da0aa5bc38ff72bb I need to make sure that c'tors will work with PyGtk2.6 |
| 14:54.33 | zecke|study | pH5: or I need to look into making PyGtk2.10 work with Gtk2.6 |
| 14:59.12 | pH5 | zecke|study: from this link it sounds like they work since 2.6. will you add pygtk-2.6 to OE if they do? |
| 15:00.10 | SpeedEvil | Anyone have a clue how I go from NMEA to GPX to upload to OSM? |
| 15:00.56 | koen | SpeedEvil: gpsbabel? |
| 15:00.57 | pH5 | SpeedEvil: gpsbabel |
| 15:08.19 | PBeck | tag |
| 15:11.14 | SpeedEvil | I can't seem to find a way to take existing NMEA logs and output gpx. Oh well. I'll look at it later. |
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| 15:19.46 | pH5 | SpeedEvil: gpsbabel -i nmea -o gpx -f route.nmea -F route.gpx |
| 15:22.38 | DenisBY | wiki not working? |
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| 15:32.31 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1408 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c): * src/today-main.c: Use MokoPixmapButton for launchers |
| 15:37.26 | pavelm | Bye for now... and good luck with gpsbabel. |
| 15:51.35 | SpeedEvil | pH5: Thanks! |
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| 16:10.26 | Sup3rkiddo | dang...build failing at perl-native asm/page.h not found...where do i whine.. |
| 16:10.53 | nearfar | Sup3rkiddo: do you have a device? |
| 16:10.53 | aloril | nearfar: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 16:11.39 | Sup3rkiddo | nearfar: no man...setting up the build environment, playing with it for 2 days |
| 16:12.23 | nearfar | how can India developers buy a device? |
| 16:12.36 | nearfar | "Late March for developers" -- from where? |
| 16:12.45 | MacNorth | from FIC |
| 16:13.35 | nearfar | ah well. I wish I could get one here. |
| 16:14.05 | MacNorth | you can, FIC will ship world-wide once phase-1 phones become available |
| 16:14.25 | nearfar | ok. end of March then. |
| 16:14.46 | MacNorth | best-case scenario. there have been a lot of delays :-\ |
| 16:14.55 | nearfar | w00t! there is python-openmoko. |
| 16:15.03 | nearfar | can't wait to hack on scheme-openmoko |
| 16:15.12 | nearfar | MacNorth: ok |
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| 16:15.17 | Sup3rkiddo | nearfar: lol...its us empty-mind and myself doing ti |
| 16:15.44 | Sup3rkiddo | nearfar: well atleats empty-mind started it and i am with him |
| 16:16.01 | nearfar | Sup3rkiddo: Vivek? |
| 16:16.08 | Sup3rkiddo | nearfar: yup |
| 16:17.13 | Sup3rkiddo | nearfar: http://www.vivekkhurana.com/pymoko/2007/03/19/preparing-for-takeoff/ |
| 16:18.42 | nearfar | cool |
| 16:18.55 | nearfar | I would be interested. |
| 16:19.06 | Sup3rkiddo | nearfar: cool man...would be awesome |
| 16:19.14 | Sup3rkiddo | nearfar: pm? |
| 16:19.19 | nearfar | sure |
| 16:20.30 | koen | it would be nice if people actually had something before creating a project |
| 16:20.38 | koen | </rant> |
| 16:21.42 | MacNorth | you mean like a phone ;-) |
| 16:22.26 | XorA | MacNorth: openmoko always had a phone like thing :-) |
| 16:22.32 | Sup3rkiddo | koen: once we get this build on our machines...;) |
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| 16:22.35 | kRutOn | Hello. |
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| 16:22.54 | MacNorth | yes, but few people have a neo. hardware before rants :) |
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| 16:23.20 | koen | Sup3rkiddo: so you still have nothing |
| 16:24.05 | Sup3rkiddo | koen: nope not yet..there was some confusion regarding the naming of projects...well my boss will prolly be a better person to tell that ;) |
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| 16:29.58 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1409 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/src/ (contacts-gtk.c contacts-gtk.h): * Remove unused files from openmoko-contacts |
| 16:30.01 | zecke|study | koen|away: hehe |
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| 16:35.40 | pH5 | zecke|study: NOTE: package python-pygtk2-2.6.3-ml0: task do_build: completed |
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| 16:35.48 | pH5 | those packages one look much better |
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| 16:36.00 | zecke|study | ~hail ph5 |
| 16:36.36 | zecke|study | one more hour and I stop studying for today :} |
| 16:36.53 | Sup3rkiddo | zecke|study: well shooo..go study |
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| 16:54.31 | koen | ah, unbricked my neo |
| 16:54.44 | koen | turns out my FPC is flaky |
| 16:56.31 | Hopscotch | koen: how did you do it? i missed the "b" as well... |
| 16:57.15 | koen | I download devirginator |
| 16:57.25 | koen | and tried to use that |
| 16:57.34 | Hopscotch | and it worked? |
| 16:57.38 | koen | no |
| 16:58.04 | SpeedEvil | The FPC connectors are rated at 20 insertions. |
| 16:58.07 | SpeedEvil | They get flaky fast. |
| 16:58.08 | koen | I ended up using a heavily edited ocd scipt |
| 16:58.28 | koen | SpeedEvil: mine got flaky after 1 insertion |
| 16:58.35 | koen | (and being shipped via dhl) |
| 16:58.44 | vmaster | ouch |
| 16:58.45 | Hopscotch | hmmm... could you send me you ocd script? |
| 16:58.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1410 10/trunk/oe/packages/gsm/ (files/gsmd libgsmd_svn.bb): oe/gsm: fix yet another typo in gsmd start script |
| 16:58.50 | Hopscotch | that's where i'm stuck... |
| 16:59.00 | Hopscotch | device won't stay powered on long enough |
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| 17:03.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1411 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:03.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/contacts-callbacks-ebook.c: (contacts_added_cb), |
| 17:03.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: (contacts_changed_cb): Move update listview and update groups to |
| 17:03.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: sequence-complete callback. Fixes a bug were groups list menu was never |
| 17:03.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: initialised when there were no groups defined. |
| 17:03.25 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/contacts-omoko.c: (contacts_ui_create): Stop using nested functions |
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| 17:23.50 | yos87 | hi |
| 17:24.25 | bmidgley_ | koen: you are finally back? |
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| 17:29.39 | zecke|study | mickeyl: ah my poor victim woke up :} |
| 17:31.13 | mickeyl | please no questions ;) |
| 17:31.14 | mickeyl | mickey$ top |
| 17:31.14 | mickeyl | load: 35 23 38 |
| 17:31.14 | roh | hey mickeyl |
| 17:31.14 | zecke|study | mickeyl: the time of questions was yesterday, today it is time for demanding things :) |
| 17:31.15 | guaqua | mickeyl: it's not thrashing yet, so it it's not a memory issue |
| 17:32.40 | guaqua | has someone done load-testing on the moko? how does it work under load? |
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| 17:35.07 | roh | guaqua i'm not shure what you mean? like any other computer under load? |
| 17:35.31 | guaqua | well i was thinking more of the ui etc |
| 17:35.52 | roh | well... thats not optimized yet by far.. |
| 17:36.10 | roh | atm its more technology demo that 'product you can compare speed at' |
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| 17:36.37 | guaqua | also basic prioritizing with nice would be a good thing to have. there must be processes running on the background which could be permanently niced |
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| 17:36.50 | guaqua | roh: i know that, was just curious about the general feel and so on |
| 17:36.56 | guaqua | counter |
| 17:36.56 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks 18:23:03 (14.766 +-7.0 days) (569) |
| 17:37.12 | guaqua | i may have to get one myself in 2 weeks :) |
| 17:37.51 | roh | guaqua it feels like gtk with softfloat and with demo apps which spit out a lot of debug to stdout.. if that describes a feeling you konw |
| 17:37.54 | roh | eh know |
| 17:38.17 | guaqua | okay :) |
| 17:38.39 | zecke|study | guaqua: well such background processes should just sleep |
| 17:38.48 | zecke|study | guaqua: and in that case nice is not even an issue |
| 17:39.38 | guaqua | yes, well if something is so unnecessary, true |
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| 17:40.20 | guaqua | ui apps should just do threading i guess |
| 17:42.15 | roh | hmm.. flashing uboot was debug board only? or can i do it without serial, just with usb? |
| 17:43.10 | stefan_schmidt | roh: Just usb |
| 17:43.23 | stefan_schmidt | roh: Search for dfu-utils in the wiki |
| 17:43.55 | stefan_schmidt | roh: But I you flash something wrong it could be you need debug borad for unbrick. |
| 17:43.55 | roh | stefan_schmidt ah.. so uboot can flash itself? |
| 17:44.09 | roh | stefan_schmidt i have one here.. but prom uses it atm ;) |
| 17:44.11 | stefan_schmidt | roh: Yes, download into ram and flash afterwards |
| 17:44.26 | stefan_schmidt | roh: ok, so it should be fine to test. :) |
| 17:44.49 | guaqua | roh: it's bricked, how wrong can you go? ;) |
| 17:47.06 | roh | i know... i just thought i'd ask... |
| 17:47.43 | guaqua | it wasn't meant that way :< |
| 17:49.39 | roh | stefan_schmidt how do i specify where dfu-util writes the image to? |
| 17:49.58 | stefan_schmidt | roh: -a |
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| 17:50.19 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.49 | stefan_schmidt | roh: timeout |
| 17:51.33 | high-rez | counter |
| 17:51.33 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks 18:08:27 (14.756 +-7.0 days) (570) |
| 17:51.37 | koen | bmidgley_: yes, I'm finally back home |
| 17:51.46 | stefan_schmidt | roh: You can change the env boot_menu_timeout |
| 17:52.04 | roh | i see |
| 17:52.17 | stefan_schmidt | roh: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util |
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| 17:53.28 | roh | do i need to flash this lowlevel-foo also or is it combined with uboot? |
| 17:53.44 | mickeyl | lowlevel-foo is only for bootstrapping |
| 17:54.37 | hrw | hi mickeyl |
| 17:54.42 | mickeyl | cheers hrw |
| 17:54.44 | mickeyl | how are things |
| 17:54.44 | mickeyl | ? |
| 17:54.48 | stefan_schmidt | roh: Flashing the bootloader |
| 17:54.48 | stefan_schmidt | dfu-util -a 1 -R -D /path/to/u-boot.bin |
| 17:54.56 | hrw | mickeyl: busy but fine |
| 17:55.26 | hrw | mickeyl: have to find a moment and test gsm modem in my neo again... |
| 17:56.03 | mickeyl | ya, do that |
| 17:56.16 | mickeyl | i finally got a p0 phone |
| 17:56.18 | mickeyl | with a working gsm |
| 17:56.20 | hrw | mickeyl: during Pingwinaria conference it got *LOT* of attention |
| 17:56.28 | mickeyl | so i am looking at the gsm integration atm. |
| 17:56.37 | mickeyl | hrw: really? cool! was your presentation well received? |
| 17:56.46 | koen | neo device == instant rockstar status |
| 17:56.50 | hrw | mickeyl: many people told that it has big geek factor |
| 17:57.08 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:57.39 | hrw | mickeyl: yes. Tomasz Zielinski had nice talk about openmoko |
| 17:57.39 | koen | More people asked to touch the neo than to see the olpc |
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| 18:06.19 | pH5 | zecke|moko: you used #include "moko-alignment.h" etc. in the overrides, shouldn't that be #include <libmokoui/moko-alignment.h> etc.? openmoko-libs.pc doesn't add libmokoui/ to the include path.. |
| 18:07.35 | zecke|moko | pH5: probably yes |
| 18:07.53 | zecke|moko | pH5: locally I define OPENMOKO_CFLAGS and _LIBS by hand as the libraries are not installed |
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| 18:08.31 | don-o | counter |
| 18:08.32 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks 17:51:28 (14.744 +-7.0 days) (571) |
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| 18:12.27 | hrw | mickey|cre042: so, will p1+ have 1G of flash or not |
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| 18:12.48 | hrw | 1GiB I mean |
| 18:15.18 | SpeedEvil | In some ways, I hope not. |
| 18:15.41 | SpeedEvil | 1Gbit may be more likely on reflection |
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| 18:24.58 | hrw | cu |
| 18:25.19 | hrw | 1Gbit is 128MiB - small update... |
| 18:25.38 | mickey|cre042 | at this point of time we all only can speculate |
| 18:25.43 | mickey|cre042 | even us "coreteam" |
| 18:25.54 | mickey|cre042 | the hardware for p1+ is not finalized yet |
| 18:25.59 | mickey|cre042 | i'll tell you hard facts once it's clear |
| 18:26.02 | mickey|cre042 | :) |
| 18:26.28 | SpeedEvil | Is P1 still on track for the end of the monthish? |
| 18:26.57 | vmaster | SpeedEvil: in the CCC interview Harald talks about first week of april |
| 18:26.59 | mickey|cre042 | no idea. Harald and Werner are currently in Taiwan |
| 18:27.01 | hrw | ok |
| 18:27.02 | hrw | cu |
| 18:27.04 | mickey|cre042 | cu |
| 18:29.33 | pH5 | zecke|moko: NOTE: package python-openmoko-0.3: completed |
| 18:29.41 | Elrond | What's new guys? ;) |
| 18:29.43 | Elrond | counter |
| 18:29.44 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks 17:30:16 (14.729 +-7.0 days) (572) |
| 18:30.01 | zecke|moko | awesome :) |
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| 18:31.06 | Elrond | What is python-openmoko-0.3? |
| 18:31.09 | Elrond | Hi philippe |
| 18:31.12 | pH5 | zecke|moko: do you have an example application? |
| 18:31.32 | pH5 | Elrond: zecke|moko's python bindings for openmoko libs |
| 18:32.08 | Elrond | pH5 - Ahh, cool. :) |
| 18:35.55 | guaqua | mokomakefile still doesn't work, crashes on libelf |
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| 18:39.28 | pH5 | zecke|moko: http://en.pastebin.ca/402115, http://en.pastebin.ca/402117 |
| 18:41.36 | guaqua | pH5: can you provide that modified version to download somewhere? i only have the 0.2 version |
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| 18:44.35 | pH5 | guaqua: 0.3 is at http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~freyther/python-openmoko-0.3.tar.bz2 |
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| 19:13.21 | guaqua | pH5: against what should i build the python bindings? |
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| 19:17.29 | pH5 | guaqua: I built against current OE + OM svn overlay (gtk+ 2.6, python-pygtk2 2.6.3, openmoko-libs svn) |
| 19:18.06 | pH5 | oh, and I just fixed pygtk2 staging |
| 19:19.00 | guaqua | okay. can't get mokomakefile to build so i guess i'll have to wait until something happens |
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| 19:24.34 | alphaone | Yay |
| 19:24.53 | alphaone | So as long as openmoko-dialer is started and hidden (and gsmd is started) I can receive calls and call |
| 19:25.14 | alphaone | We finally have a "phone" :-) |
| 19:25.52 | koen | alphaone: cool |
| 19:26.17 | koen | pH5: don't forget to add a gsmd startup script for your magigcian |
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| 19:26.42 | Mandarino | Hi! |
| 19:26.44 | Mandarino | counter |
| 19:26.44 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks 16:33:15 (14.690 +-7.0 days) (573) |
| 19:26.52 | Mandarino | aish 2weeks |
| 19:30.16 | pH5 | koen: the init script shouldn't be machine dependent. only the GSM_* variables are. |
| 19:30.16 | koen | pH5: I was to lazy to make it use /etc/defaults/gsmd |
| 19:30.22 | pH5 | ah :) |
| 19:32.04 | guaqua | pH5: what flags did you use to build the python bindings? |
| 19:32.07 | pH5 | magician currently needs an ugly patch to gsmd anyway, because I am too lazy to write a tty line discipline for the gsm modem. |
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| 19:33.21 | pH5 | guaqua: none, I posted the .bb recipe at http://en.pastebin.ca/402117. It's just configure, make and make install. |
| 19:34.37 | abraxa_ | guaqua: Did you get the libelf issue sorted out? |
| 19:35.13 | guaqua | nope |
| 19:35.29 | guaqua | it doesn't build on my machine with x86 set as the target |
| 19:36.39 | abraxa_ | guaqua: I ran into the same problem - do you want to hear how I fixed it or did you move on already? |
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| 19:36.49 | guaqua | abraxa_: i'd like to know |
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| 19:37.06 | guaqua | this is preventing me from doing anything at the moment |
| 19:37.39 | el_singerl | hello, i'm new to the whole openmoko project, i've heard a few days ago the first time from it on chaosradio |
| 19:37.48 | el_singerl | where harald gave an interview about the project |
| 19:38.17 | el_singerl | now I wanted here if someone has more information about the project on google sommer of code |
| 19:38.37 | abraxa_ | You can go build/tmp/work/i486-linux/libelf-0.8.6-r0/libelf-0.8.6 to do a "./configure --enable-shared" followed by a "make" |
| 19:38.40 | vmaster | el_singerl: check the wiki at wiki.openmoko.org |
| 19:38.46 | koen | I'd say code.google.com/soc |
| 19:38.47 | abraxa_ | Then the MokoMakefile will continue |
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| 19:39.03 | el_singerl | the question for me is, if it is realistic to get a chance if this is the first open source project for me |
| 19:39.09 | guaqua | abraxa_: i'll do that |
| 19:39.15 | el_singerl | yeah i've read a lot on the wiki but also on the google official site |
| 19:39.19 | guaqua | or rather, try that |
| 19:39.44 | abraxa_ | guaqua: Lemme know if it worked for you then, please ;3 |
| 19:40.03 | guaqua | will do :) |
| 19:40.04 | abraxa_ | el_singerl: I'd say it mainly depends on the time and knowledge you have |
| 19:40.31 | el_singerl | I've got plenty of time as I'm a student |
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| 19:40.46 | el_singerl | knowledge is always dependent on what you think of |
| 19:41.00 | el_singerl | so whats important |
| 19:41.11 | alphaone | koen: I saw you reopened Bug #215 |
| 19:41.14 | abraxa_ | e.g. proficiency with C/C++ |
| 19:41.27 | koen | alphaone: yes |
| 19:41.43 | koen | alphaone: mainmenu keeps crashing on my neo if I touch the black part |
| 19:41.47 | el_singerl | thats no problem |
| 19:41.49 | natp | abraza_: thanks. that's the same problem I've been having. I wish I'd seen you write that before deleting all the intermediate targets and rebuilding from scratch! |
| 19:41.56 | koen | and I updated all moko stuff today |
| 19:42.14 | balrog-k1n | el_singerl: i guess experience with gpe/matchbox/gtk/opie/etc hacking will be valued |
| 19:42.24 | guaqua | abraxa_: i'll add it to wiki if it works |
| 19:42.35 | el_singerl | well there i've got less experience |
| 19:42.42 | el_singerl | but I'm willing to learn |
| 19:42.45 | abraxa_ | el_singerl: Well then go for it - I'm trying also :) |
| 19:42.51 | el_singerl | ah ok |
| 19:42.51 | guaqua | or natp can add if his build gets there faster |
| 19:42.54 | el_singerl | and for what project? |
| 19:42.54 | aloril | el_singerl: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:43.12 | alphaone | koen: Did you have the openmoko theme installed or not? |
| 19:43.13 | el_singerl | thx |
| 19:43.31 | koen | alphaone: the gtk theme? yes |
| 19:43.34 | alphaone | koen: Could you post a backtrace to the bug |
| 19:43.38 | koen | alphaone: it's a openmoko-image |
| 19:43.45 | alphaone | koen: Hmm, it works for me |
| 19:44.01 | natp | I doubt it guaqua! |
| 19:44.15 | alphaone | With latest image from builthost.openmoko.org |
| 19:44.21 | koen | alphaone: it crashes here.... |
| 19:44.24 | abraxa_ | guaqua: I'm not sure if that's the right place to add - rwhitby suggested it's not a general problem since it works for him and others under Debian. What is your platform btw? |
| 19:44.27 | koen | I don't use stuff from buildhost |
| 19:44.49 | guaqua | ubuntu edgy |
| 19:44.54 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 19:44.54 | natp | I'm using Ubuntu Edgy as well |
| 19:45.05 | abraxa_ | Interesting... I'm using Gentoo |
| 19:45.10 | alphaone | koen: What do you use? |
| 19:45.25 | koen | alphaone: images I built myself from .dev |
| 19:45.29 | guaqua | it worked when i built for neo as MACHINE |
| 19:45.48 | alphaone | koen: How about a backtrace then? |
| 19:46.17 | koen | I could try to get one tomorrow |
| 19:46.19 | guaqua | but with x86 i got this problem |
| 19:46.46 | alphaone | koen: Thanks, that would be great |
| 19:47.35 | abraxa_ | guaqua: I see - I assume rwhitby used the neo for the target also but maybe he'll read this later and comment ;) |
| 19:48.01 | guaqua | abraxa_: so you used x86 aswell? |
| 19:48.06 | abraxa_ | Yup |
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| 19:53.23 | guaqua | abraxa_: it worked |
| 19:53.29 | abraxa_ | Great |
| 19:53.31 | abraxa_ | =) |
| 19:54.01 | guaqua | where did you correspond with rwhitby on this subject? |
| 19:54.07 | guaqua | cos i haven't seen anything here |
| 19:54.19 | abraxa_ | ~8 hours ago |
| 19:54.52 | Mandarino | Somebody are trying to develop with Ubuntu Ultimate 1.3 ? |
| 19:56.44 | guaqua | Mandarino: ? |
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| 19:57.24 | Mandarino | guaqua: what is your SO? |
| 19:57.51 | guaqua | Mandarino: SO? |
| 19:58.04 | Mandarino | OS sorry ;P |
| 19:58.24 | Mandarino | I'm a fucking spanish :P |
| 19:59.16 | guaqua | ubuntu on the desktop |
| 19:59.31 | guaqua | or kubuntu, if you prefer to distinguish and it makes any difference |
| 20:00.51 | guaqua | mandriva makes me wonder, however :) |
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| 20:19.03 | aevin | guaqua: what kind of build error did you get when building for MACHINE="x86" ? |
| 20:19.33 | guaqua | the build terminated on libelf |
| 20:19.41 | guaqua | couldn't find shared libraries |
| 20:20.05 | guaqua | it built when i manually did ./configure --use-shared && make |
| 20:20.21 | aevin | okay:) |
| 20:20.29 | zecke | mickeyl: do you make use of gettext already? |
| 20:20.34 | guaqua | or wait a sec, aevin |
| 20:20.44 | guaqua | it's --enable-shared |
| 20:20.45 | mickeyl | zecke: no, all my demo apps were too trivial to use it |
| 20:20.49 | mickeyl | but it's the way to go |
| 20:21.12 | zecke | mickeyl: do I need to take care of anything? or just use _("") ? |
| 20:23.18 | mickeyl | _ should do it |
| 20:23.25 | mickeyl | you can take a quick look at contacts and dates |
| 20:23.29 | mickeyl | both are using it already |
| 20:23.47 | mickeyl | need to add some magic to configure.ac to enable it |
| 20:23.56 | mickeyl | and the po dirs |
| 20:24.30 | guaqua | who runs the translations? |
| 20:24.56 | guaqua | or is in charge? |
| 20:27.46 | mickeyl | no one yet |
| 20:28.14 | mickeyl | i guess two more months and then we can start to coordinate that |
| 20:28.22 | mickeyl | too much in flux earlier |
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| 20:40.13 | balrog-kun | is the SSP interface used? |
| 20:40.38 | balrog-kun | i thought i saw information in the wiki about some peripheral connected to SSP but can't find it now |
| 20:41.50 | zecke | oh the office is empty |
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| 20:43.11 | rwhitby | morning |
| 20:44.11 | abraxa_ | Good evening ;) |
| 20:44.54 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Gua]] [[Translation]] [[Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review]] [[Talk:Neo1973_Hardware]] |
| 20:45.40 | abraxa_ | We discussed the libelf issue again and it turns out that of the three people who have that issue we have 1x gentoo and 2x ubuntu - however all tried to build for x86, not the Neo |
| 20:46.15 | abraxa_ | So it seems it fails for x86 only... did you try that by chance, rwhitby? |
| 20:46.44 | rwhitby | abraxa_: yes, I built for x86 quite a while back |
| 20:46.47 | rwhitby | not tried it recently. |
| 20:47.16 | rwhitby | anyway, did you report in OE bugzilla as suggested? Or ask in #oe? It is not an openmoko-specific problem, so you're more likely to get help there. |
| 20:49.30 | abraxa_ | Actually there was already a bug filed for this: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=264 - I added a comment describing a workaround but not sure what else I can do |
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| 21:13.19 | guaqua | abraxa_: build succesful, thanks :( |
| 21:13.23 | guaqua | abraxa_: meaning :) |
| 21:13.39 | abraxa_ | You're welcome ;) |
| 21:14.47 | jts | the neo available at the end of this month will be considered 'beta' or similar right? |
| 21:14.47 | aloril | jts: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 21:16.35 | kRutOn | I must have a long way to go. |
| 21:16.39 | kRutOn | just on libxml2 |
| 21:17.28 | jts | aloril, yeah that helped. Hardware will stay the same for the mass market release, and it would just entail reflashing for the updated stuff right? |
| 21:18.23 | Elrond | counter |
| 21:18.24 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks 14:41:36 (14.612 +-7.0 days) (574) |
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| 21:28.13 | guaqua | successfully running x86 build in xoo |
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| 21:28.43 | guaqua | with the instructions on the wiki + ./configure --enable-shared && make on libelf |
| 21:29.44 | balrog-kun | there's the TWL3014 chip connected? |
| 21:29.51 | balrog-kun | s/there/where/ |
| 21:30.09 | balrog-kun | i mean on the processor |
| 21:30.22 | abraxa_ | jts: The hardware is not finalized yet and is bound to change, so even the developers at FIC can't make definite statements yet |
| 21:37.52 | Stephmw | evenin |
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| 21:44.44 | guaqua | if someone can't wait to get the build done, here's one for the x86: http://kapsi.fi/~che/openmoko-x86-images/openmoko-devel-image-x86-20070319195122.rootfs.tar.gz |
| 21:44.54 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Hardware]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Translation]] |
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| 22:02.41 | aevin | guaqua: i snatched your image while waiting (got my build in the oven now). thanks. |
| 22:03.53 | guaqua | okay :) |
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| 22:13.23 | balrog-kun | it looks like there's a termometer on-board :) |
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| 22:16.54 | aevin | was it so that the audio jack was 4-wired? |
| 22:17.43 | aevin | could you use it as a SPI ? |
| 22:18.18 | guaqua | dolby surround 7.1 |
| 22:18.47 | aevin | perhaps a problem to have the SCLK and MISO at the same time (opposite directions). |
| 22:19.22 | aevin | guaqua: yes, i've already invested in a 7.1 kit for use in my pockets. |
| 22:19.51 | guaqua | not in the pockets, in the jacket collar :> |
| 22:20.19 | guaqua | the subwoofer naturally somewhere else :/ |
| 22:21.52 | guaqua | that's perv...interesting |
| 22:22.45 | zecke | mickeyl: one can store any garbage inside a GtkListStore? |
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| 22:24.15 | pH5 | zecke: yes |
| 22:24.51 | guaqua | has someone implemented a python app with the bindings yet? |
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| 22:25.12 | zecke | pH5: have you played with GtkTreeModelFilter yet? |
| 22:25.16 | pH5 | guaqua: I made one up on the fly in the interpreter shell, but that's about it. |
| 22:25.39 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03dodji * r1412 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c): |
| 22:25.39 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Added vim modeline |
| 22:25.39 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * applications/openmoko-today/src/today-main.c: added vi modelines |
| 22:25.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03dodji * r1413 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (8 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 22:25.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Show todo items and alarms. Use them icons for that. |
| 22:25.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * applications/openmoko-today/src/today-events-area.c: |
| 22:25.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: move utils functions into |
| 22:25.50 | CIA-16 | openmoko: applications/openmoko-today/src/today-utils.[c|h]. |
| 22:25.52 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Get todo items as well. |
| 22:25.52 | guaqua | if i get it compiled, i'll try doing something tomorrow |
| 22:25.54 | roh | hm... anybody a idea if i should see an at-interpreter on ttySAC0 and 1? |
| 22:25.54 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Render todo items, events, and alarmed event using |
| 22:25.56 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03dodji * r1414 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 22:26.01 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Use icalcomponent instead of EcalComponent |
| 22:26.03 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * applications/openmoko-today/src/today-events-area.c: |
| 22:26.05 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Do not use ECalComponent anymore, but rather |
| 22:26.07 | CIA-16 | openmoko: the underlying icalcomponent. |
| 22:26.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: ECalComponent was actually useless and was |
| 22:26.11 | CIA-16 | openmoko: just eating more memory. |
| 22:26.12 | roh | i have on on ttySAC0 but only get a 'Connected' on the second |
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| 22:27.59 | alphaone | ttySAC1 is where the gps chip is connected to |
| 22:28.36 | roh | i see |
| 22:30.49 | pH5 | zecke: no, but thanks for the hint :) maybe I shouldn't re-read the mysql tables when changing the filter in my app... |
| 22:31.37 | roh | alphaone so one has no possibility to monitor signal strength and similar things while a ppp link is open? |
| 22:32.01 | zecke | pH5: hehe, you need to define a filter_callback |
| 22:32.07 | stefan_schmidt | roh: That is the point where multiplexinf comes into the game. |
| 22:32.09 | zecke | pH5: and then you can call refilter on each change |
| 22:32.19 | stefan_schmidt | roh: Just not finished yet. |
| 22:32.23 | alphaone | roh: That's what TS07.10 is for |
| 22:32.28 | roh | stefan_schmidt multiplexinf? |
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| 22:33.05 | stefan_schmidt | roh: As alphaone stated. The TS07.10 multiplexinf standard. Multiplexed channels over one serial link. |
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| 22:33.24 | stefan_schmidt | roh: Just grab the standard from 3GPP it's free. :) |
| 22:33.44 | zecke | or from etsi :) |
| 22:33.49 | alphaone | roh: So you have more than one 'virtual' serial port over one physical |
| 22:33.49 | zecke | ~hail etsi |
| 22:33.50 | balrog-kun | roh: you should see some AT communication on ttySAC0 but only if the port is configured |
| 22:34.33 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: heh |
| 22:34.36 | balrog-kun | by default ttySAC0 is in FIFO mode with 8 byte trigger so you have to write 8 bytes before anything gets sent and you only receive 8 byte packets |
| 22:34.55 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: in contrast to ISO, ETSI just rocks :) |
| 22:35.20 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Right. ISO sucks for standards. Way to pricey to get them. :( |
| 22:35.45 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: do you know if Uni's can get a copy of ISO stuff fro free? |
| 22:35.57 | roh | balrog-kun so far i get... i have to test further with a sim |
| 22:36.41 | roh | but i now have my selfbuilt bootloader, kernel and fs on it and get gsm to speak hayes :) |
| 22:36.50 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: At least our uni doesn't have it. I would guess no. At least not if they don't offer big $$$ for it. |
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| 22:52.09 | Elrond | ~change 30 GBP to eur |
| 22:52.38 | grgehunt | bleh |
| 22:52.44 | xkr47 | ~change 30 GBP to USD |
| 22:52.48 | grgehunt | the exchange rate sucks atm |
| 22:52.57 | xkr47 | almost double :) |
| 22:53.52 | abraxa__ | ~change 350 USD to EUR |
| 22:54.04 | abraxa__ | (it had to be done!) |
| 22:54.17 | Agrajag- | ~change 350 USD to AUD |
| 22:54.19 | grgehunt | ~change 350 USD to MNG |
| 22:54.28 | abraxa__ | lol |
| 22:54.30 | xkr47 | ~change 350 USD to OMG |
| 22:54.42 | xkr47 | hmm ?--) |
| 22:54.47 | grgehunt | BUG! |
| 22:54.48 | grgehunt | :] |
| 22:54.58 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:55.07 | SpeedEvil | It is a little silly down there at the moment. |
| 22:55.20 | SpeedEvil | One place that really needs a decent revolution. |
| 22:55.39 | grgehunt | oh |
| 22:55.42 | grgehunt | ~change 350 USD to MNT |
| 22:56.23 | xkr47 | "I know the suckiest currency" competition |
| 22:56.29 | Elrond | *G* |
| 22:56.40 | SpeedEvil | currencies |
| 22:56.45 | xkr47 | ;) |
| 22:57.06 | roh | *sigh* .. what do exchange-rates help if i could order hardware easyer directly from china than pay one on the us |
| 22:57.07 | SpeedEvil | And zimbabwe is exploring new depths. |
| 22:57.26 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1415 10/trunk/src/target/debug/ (7 files in 2 dirs): add small program for testing input codes |
| 22:58.40 | grgehunt | the togrog is clearly a superior currency, what other money has chinggis khan printed on it :) |
| 23:00.01 | SpeedEvil | Zimbabwe has new coins and currency all designed, but they can't introduce it as it'd simply be too outdated. |
| 23:01.14 | zecke | mickeyl: how is this search bar woking? I know it is a GtkEntry, should I filter on GtkEntryCompletion changes or wait for the GtkButton press? |
| 23:01.53 | mickeyl | zecke: chordmaster uses an obsolete method |
| 23:01.58 | mickeyl | we no longer want to use entry completion |
| 23:02.06 | mickeyl | but listen for keypresses and calculate Search Result on the fly |
| 23:02.10 | mickeyl | please see how contacts does it |
| 23:02.50 | zecke | mickeyl: but navigation_list is old? |
| 23:03.04 | mickeyl | yes, MokoNavigationList will be removed soon |
| 23:03.12 | mickeyl | could be that contacts still uses it |
| 23:03.16 | mickeyl | just use MokoTreeView |
| 23:03.16 | zecke | ;) |
| 23:03.26 | zecke | could be, or I have a mate underrun |
| 23:03.59 | zecke | mickeyl: how to change the size of Column Header? |
| 23:04.15 | mickeyl | heh |
| 23:04.22 | mickeyl | you expect me to know more about the Gtk+ API offhand than you do :D |
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| 23:04.29 | mickeyl | i need to look up all calls |
| 23:04.32 | mickeyl | every time |
| 23:04.35 | mickeyl | <--- old |
| 23:04.44 | zecke | Dr. old mickey |
| 23:04.49 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 23:05.02 | mickeyl | switching between Qt and Gtk+ all the time doesn't help either ;)) |
| 23:05.08 | mickeyl | but whom am i telling that :D |
| 23:05.41 | zecke | mickeyl: see. el says I'm a "Code Knecht" and I have one habbit: Copy by (one) example. Now you request to mix examples :) |
| 23:08.38 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1416 10/trunk/src/target/debug/input/Makefile: debug/input: remove generated Makefile |
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| 23:47.10 | daniel_bergamini | I'm sorry I've asked this before gotten the answer I want but still can't find it. Is the openmoko root filesystem tarball available somewhere? |
| 23:47.50 | balrog-kun | yes, it is |
| 23:48.19 | daniel_bergamini | That is the answer I wanted until I realized the question I should have asked is where? |
| 23:48.35 | balrog-kun | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ here there are some daily builds |
| 23:48.43 | balrog-kun | i think there are more somewhere on this server too |
| 23:49.29 | daniel_bergamini | thank you balrog-kun |
| 23:50.21 | daniel_bergamini | gonna see how bad I can hose my Jornada 720 |
| 23:50.28 | balrog-kun | no problem |
| 23:50.35 | balrog-kun | you need a Jornada kernel though |
| 23:50.54 | daniel_bergamini | yeah got one of those |
| 23:52.04 | daniel_bergamini | a few but not many that work |
| 23:52.19 | daniel_bergamini | what filesystem do most people use for the rootfs? |
| 23:53.44 | balrog-kun | on the Neo i think everyone uses jffs2 |
| 23:54.04 | cjb | yup. |
| 23:54.17 | daniel_bergamini | there is a ext2 available |
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| 23:55.02 | daniel_bergamini | is the rootfs.ext2.gz just a dd where as the rootfs.tar.gz is a tarball? |
| 23:56.52 | balrog-kun | well, yes, but i wouldn't call it a dd |
| 23:57.52 | balrog-kun | tarball is a format that stores many files in one file, that's what a filesystem is too |
| 23:58.17 | alphaone | daniel_bergamini: jffs2 for flash and ext3 for SD root images |
| 23:58.26 | alphaone | At least that's what I use |
| 23:59.15 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1417 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/data/ (Dialer.png Makefile.am openmoko-dialer.desktop): dialer: ship proper icon, remove executable attrib for Makefile.am |
| 23:59.28 | daniel_bergamini | this is never going to work but it will take longer if I don't try |