| 00:03.43 | nonickatm | the neo1973's bluetooth hasn't got a2dp according to that it is not mentioned in the wiki |
| 00:12.38 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, anybody here know if it is possible to blacklist a stolen mobile due to his IMEI in germany? |
| 00:12.45 | rwhitby | abraxa_: I only accept PMs from registered nicks |
| 00:13.01 | stefan_schmidt | GF lost his phone. :( SIM is already blacklisted. |
| 00:13.23 | abraxa_ | stefan_schmidt: Yeah, if you have the IMEI you can blacklist it |
| 00:13.51 | abraxa_ | rwhitby: Oh, that explains it then... was gonna talk to you about the makefile |
| 00:13.59 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa_: Nice. Do you have an url off hand? |
| 00:14.40 | abraxa_ | Back in the day I had to call up the Telekom to have them do it - with that I guess it depends on your carrier |
| 00:15.13 | rwhitby | abraxa_: feel free to discuss MokoMakefile in channel |
| 00:15.34 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa_: OK, thanks |
| 00:16.18 | abraxa_ | Alrighty then - first off I'd like to know whether the MACHINE="x86" option in local.conf is supported or whether it's a mere hack |
| 00:17.24 | rwhitby | abraxa_: MokoMakefile is just a wrapper around OM/OE, so the question boils down to whether OM will build for MACHINE=x86. And the answer is yes, there are reports of that building (and I've built it previously myself) |
| 00:17.35 | abraxa_ | Awesome. |
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| 00:17.50 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa_: *sigh* It seems eplus only support SIM blacklist and not IMEI blacklist: (German) http://www.eplus.de/frame.asp?go=http%3A//www.eplus.de/kundenservice/0/0/0_onlinehilfe_suche_ausgabe.asp%3FTyp%3DDokument%26SubTyp1%3DFAQ%26SubTyp2%3DDownload%26Eingabe1%3Dsperren%26Eingabe2%3D%26Eingabe3%3D%26Verknuepfung1%3DAND%26Verknuepfung2%3D%26Verknuepfung3%3D%26Sortierung%3DRanking%26AusgabeSeite%3D0%255Fonlinehilfe%255Fsuche%255Fausgabe%252Easp |
| 00:18.03 | stefan_schmidt | uh, sorry for the long link |
| 00:18.14 | rwhitby | that's one of the key benefits of using OpenEmbedded - it tries to be orthogonal with respect to distros and machines. |
| 00:19.02 | rwhitby | (that's why it's more complex than other build systems which are not designed for the same level of orthogonality) |
| 00:20.10 | jebba | rwhitby (if you missed it earlier--i g2g now tho), I cleared out build/tmp, and am getting this again, so the dependency disappeared or something: "configure: error: can't find confuse library" for ftdi-eeprom-native-0.2-r1 |
| 00:21.06 | abraxa_ | I tried building my environment using said option and ran into three problems: one being a problem with the kernel makefile breaking due to brackets in $KERNELRELEASE and the other two were results of 404s when trying to download files needed for compilation. I'm not familiar with bitbake so I wondered if you can add the alternative download locations I found or not - can you? |
| 00:21.41 | rwhitby | jebba: ftdi-eeprom-native definitely has the depends on confuse-native. did you clean the package before the rebuild |
| 00:21.42 | roh | jebba i had this problem too earlier |
| 00:22.13 | stefan_schmidt | ok, it seems only vodafone supports this in .de This makes it pretty useless for a unlocked tri-band phone. |
| 00:22.17 | roh | jebba you mean make openmoko-devel-tools ? |
| 00:22.46 | rwhitby | abraxa_: downloads.openmoko.org/sources should have all sources required. |
| 00:22.52 | jebba | sry, will take a look when i get back, but I did blow out tmp entirely |
| 00:23.01 | rwhitby | jebba: hmm - that should have done it then. |
| 00:23.34 | roh | stefan_schmidt it does not help at all in getting back the fone since it will work in other countrys.. in about 70% of the latter |
| 00:23.50 | jebba | each time I run this too: `make update-makefile && make update && time make all` |
| 00:24.34 | rwhitby | jebba: yep, that should do it - you might want to put a make setup after the make update, just in case the build dir structure changes in the future (in which case, make setup will make that change for you) |
| 00:24.37 | jebba | blowing tmp away again and I'll let it process while i'm gone. thanks. |
| 00:25.05 | LarstiQ | hmm, why does http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro suggest to not have dash for /bin/sh? Bashisms in the code? |
| 00:25.24 | rwhitby | abraxa_: dunno about the kernel problem. |
| 00:25.40 | rwhitby | LarstiQ: yes, bashism in upstream code in many packages. |
| 00:25.41 | stefan_schmidt | roh: Of course, but it would still be nice to make sure it is not useable in .de |
| 00:25.50 | LarstiQ | rwhitby: ok, so not going to be fixed anytime soon |
| 00:25.51 | roh | jebba hm.. i have the same problem here... only ubuntu dapper libconfuse-dev installed... i will take a look at that later |
| 00:26.06 | rwhitby | LarstiQ: well, you can patch it in OE, but it's a long battle ... |
| 00:26.33 | LarstiQ | rwhitby: yeah, for now I just want to build moko |
| 00:26.48 | rwhitby | LarstiQ: it may be only a few cases. you choose your battles according to your free time :-) |
| 00:27.26 | LarstiQ | rwhitby: aye :) |
| 00:27.33 | jebba | roh, but i don't think it's "confuse" on the host box, but on the target build dev |
| 00:27.51 | rwhitby | jebba, roh: it should be using the confuse lib that OE builds. |
| 00:28.30 | abraxa_ | rwhitby: http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/404.txt is what I'm experiencing, for example |
| 00:29.18 | rwhitby | abraxa_: that means that no-one in OM core team has built that package before. |
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| 00:29.34 | roh | rwhitby it doesn't |
| 00:30.59 | aevin | jebba: have you tried installing the package libconfuse? |
| 00:31.00 | rwhitby | roh: that's a bug then. |
| 00:31.00 | rwhitby | you shouldn't need to install libconfuse. |
| 00:31.01 | rwhitby | as a work-around, bitbake confuse-native first. |
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| 00:31.02 | aevin | okay. |
| 00:31.02 | aevin | thanks for the info (if i run into similar problem) |
| 00:31.20 | abraxa_ | rwhitby: I see. I went ahead and got myself a copy of the failing file and put it into source/ but the script still tries to download it - is there anything I can do about that? |
| 00:31.35 | nonickatm | I can be an beta tester for openmoko: I will test how it works on trashy gsm networks XD |
| 00:31.44 | jebba | ya, i figure the workaround easily enough, i'm just going for the `rm -rf tmp/ && make all` & runaway with a working build. |
| 00:31.52 | jebba | but now i really g2g ;) thanks rwhitby |
| 00:31.52 | rwhitby | abraxa_: you need to create the .md5sum file, and perhaps touch the stamp file |
| 00:31.58 | rwhitby | jebba: I got to go to. |
| 00:32.11 | abraxa_ | Alrighty, thanks :) |
| 00:32.37 | roh | rwhitby seems like a bug.. trying the workaround |
| 00:32.47 | nonickatm | but I don't have money to spend, so I'm off (here U$S350 are $1050 lol) |
| 00:34.42 | nonickatm | maybe if there is launched a lower end phone I can be interested but ATM nothing |
| 00:35.17 | SpeedEvil | There is unlikely to be cheaper phones launched this year IMO. |
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| 00:37.12 | nonickatm | well I only tell a joke (read above :P) |
| 00:37.46 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - it's a common question though. |
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| 00:40.21 | nonickatm | gprs 2.5g? I never heard of that |
| 00:43.30 | roh | bbl.. have to go to the bar now... 1:43am |
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| 00:47.32 | SpeedEvil | A phone you can just feed grass. |
| 00:47.42 | nonickatm | :P |
| 00:48.45 | parag0n | i'd prefer wifi |
| 00:49.30 | SpeedEvil | You could hang a couple of lead-acid batteries, and a wifi-bluetooth router on the pony. |
| 00:49.46 | LarstiQ | hehe |
| 00:49.51 | parag0n | heh |
| 00:49.59 | Psi_ | heh |
| 00:50.27 | parag0n | i could set up my palm as a wifi - bluetooth bridge, but that defeats the point of buying a single device to replace my phone, ipod and PDA |
| 00:51.07 | parag0n | also, i've decided i'm going to use libipod so that i can make the moko emulate an ipod :D |
| 00:51.09 | SpeedEvil | Wifi is something I really could use too. I'm even considering ripping out the BT board and subbing a wifi one. |
| 00:51.17 | parag0n | itunes integration ^___^ |
| 00:54.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Calendar]] |
| 00:54.27 | parag0n | theoretically, i could change the usb vendor / product id, and make things think its an ipod |
| 00:54.54 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: If that's feasible I'll consider doing the same... it would be quite tempting |
| 00:55.43 | SpeedEvil | I _think_ it is - the module looks a compatible size in the pictures. |
| 00:56.11 | abraxa_ | Worth some thought for sure :) |
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| 01:01.56 | suma | can anyone please me to get the toolchain of openmoko ? |
| 01:01.56 | aloril | suma: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 01:02.05 | suma | i'm using fedora core 6 |
| 01:02.12 | suma | thanks |
| 01:08.10 | parag0n | god, i love that bot ^__^ |
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| 01:11.39 | suma | parag0n: really not |
| 01:12.08 | suma | parag0n: I could not get the instructions to install it on fc6 |
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| 01:12.33 | parag0n | have you tried mokomakefile? |
| 01:12.37 | suma | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded <--- went to this page |
| 01:12.45 | suma | not yet |
| 01:12.50 | suma | does it works ? |
| 01:12.53 | parag0n | i (finally) got that to work on ubuntu feisty yesterday :D |
| 01:12.56 | bluelightning | suma: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 01:12.59 | bluelightning | yes it does :) |
| 01:13.06 | suma | i c |
| 01:13.42 | suma | will give a try now |
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| 01:15.02 | bluelightning | in fact I am updating & building a new image with it right at this moment |
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| 01:33.09 | nonickatm | a question: if we found both a wifi adapter and a camera that has got GPLed drivers is possible that both can be present in the final neo1973? |
| 01:33.20 | nonickatm | have got* |
| 01:34.01 | libervisco | I have a dilemma :S |
| 01:34.15 | libervisco | PDA vs laptop.. and a tight budget |
| 01:34.29 | libervisco | or OpenMoko vs. laptop :) |
| 01:34.41 | libervisco | *Neo1973 that is |
| 01:35.26 | SpeedEvil | camera is problematic from a packaging point of vier. |
| 01:35.36 | SpeedEvil | It tends to use quite a lot of internal volume. |
| 01:36.13 | SpeedEvil | For example, swapping the GPS for a camera would probably be quite possible. |
| 01:36.42 | nonickatm | well but a small vga camera only for quickies wouldn't be bad |
| 01:36.44 | SpeedEvil | Cameras tend not to have drivers as such. |
| 01:36.51 | libervisco | maybe it could be allowed for the camera to be plugged over USB? |
| 01:36.55 | SpeedEvil | Being very simple chips. |
| 01:38.13 | libervisco | hmm, the Phase1 Neo specs are the same as current ones, right? |
| 01:38.28 | SpeedEvil | almost |
| 01:38.38 | libervisco | what's different? |
| 01:38.39 | SpeedEvil | bugfix, and exposing more pads for soldering |
| 01:38.54 | SpeedEvil | there are no user visible differences other than the bugfixes. |
| 01:39.04 | libervisco | ok.. |
| 01:39.39 | libervisco | the thing is.. I'm going to iCommons 2007 here in Croatia and I've no laptop nor a PDA.. hence no connectivity except for a plain mobile phone I have now.. |
| 01:39.51 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 01:39.56 | libervisco | and I'm considering a laptop, but it's expensive.. |
| 01:40.01 | SpeedEvil | Ebay! |
| 01:40.08 | libervisco | so now I'm thinking.. maybe I should just go for a PDA |
| 01:40.10 | libervisco | oh |
| 01:40.21 | libervisco | hmm yeah I didn't look at ebay much yet.. |
| 01:40.31 | SpeedEvil | Older laptops can work well. |
| 01:40.35 | SpeedEvil | It depends what you want. |
| 01:41.54 | libervisco | yeah.. well most of my work is still on the desktop and I like the flexibility of a desktop (it can easily be extended, parts replaced etc.), but then again I could go for a strong laptop to serve as a desktop too.. |
| 01:42.04 | libervisco | saying since I want to extend desktop as well a bit.. |
| 01:42.24 | libervisco | but the real burning purpose of a laptop would be merely connectivity when I'm away from home |
| 01:42.33 | libervisco | so I guess anything would do.. |
| 01:43.27 | libervisco | I'm thinking maybe I should just get Neo :P |
| 01:43.36 | libervisco | since I intend to later in the year anyway.. |
| 01:43.58 | libervisco | but if I'm not getting a laptop I have to get Neo before June (cause that's when iCommons is) |
| 01:44.54 | libervisco | but I don't want to buy it twice (when a better version comes out) :D |
| 01:45.02 | libervisco | or maybe I should ;) |
| 01:45.27 | libervisco | ok I'm done ranting |
| 01:47.07 | peepsalot | yeah I am debating with myself over the "buy it twice" dilemma too libervisco |
| 01:47.41 | libervisco | if we could get a discount on the second buy.. :P |
| 01:48.14 | peepsalot | if the second release is not very far away, then I can probably wait. but i think no one really knows when P1+ is? |
| 01:48.33 | libervisco | September at the earliest from what I know |
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| 01:49.06 | peepsalot | I have much to learn about developing gtk apps anyways |
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| 01:49.56 | peepsalot | counter |
| 01:49.56 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks, a day 10:10:03 (15.424 +-7.0 days) (554) |
| 01:50.00 | peepsalot | counter? |
| 01:50.01 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: devices shipped at 2007-03-05; 2 weeks, a day 10:09:59 (15.424 +-7.0 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-03-31); 6 months, 6 days (183.424 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (555) |
| 01:50.53 | libervisco | Yeah, middle of September |
| 01:51.28 | peepsalot | yeah, but i think some people were talking about a possible hardware revision before then? |
| 01:51.57 | libervisco | between P1 and P2 yeah |
| 01:52.10 | libervisco | that'd fall in the summer |
| 01:52.14 | peepsalot | P1.5 or something |
| 01:52.25 | libervisco | yeah |
| 01:53.26 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[PIM_Storage]] |
| 01:54.42 | libervisco | did anyone make a video demo of Neo yet? |
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| 01:59.43 | peepsalot | libervisco, I don't recall seeing any |
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| 02:00.16 | libervisco | http://www.flickr.com/photos/imran/414783148/in/pool-openmoko/ isn't it a bit small? :) |
| 02:00.42 | libervisco | hmm well it's still bigger than my mobile's screen I guess |
| 02:02.54 | libervisco | it would be neat if you could plug Neo into a computer and have its picture show on a big screen.. or can it already do that? |
| 02:03.11 | CoreDump|afk | in theory yes |
| 02:03.57 | mjr | you can make it run vnc over usbnet, presumably. Probably not readily available in the GUI though ;P |
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| 02:03.58 | peepsalot | http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=414944631&context=pool-339900@N21&size=l that resolution is insane. might need a microscope to read the text |
| 02:04.17 | libervisco | ah.. can I ssh from a PC to Neo? |
| 02:04.35 | peepsalot | yes |
| 02:04.52 | libervisco | well that helps against the small console text then :P |
| 02:05.23 | CoreDump|afk | peepsalot: the font on boot is pretty tiny indeed, but still readable and sharp |
| 02:05.38 | libervisco | use a magnifier :D |
| 02:06.02 | libervisco | well GUI is better probably |
| 02:06.31 | CoreDump|afk | gui is useless right now =) |
| 02:06.33 | bmidgley | subpixel fonts will look really good |
| 02:06.34 | CoreDump|afk | n8 all |
| 02:06.45 | libervisco | useless? |
| 02:06.51 | libervisco | ah.. nn CoreDump|afk |
| 02:07.21 | SpeedEvil | Effectively useless. In such a prototype state it doesn't really function. |
| 02:07.38 | bmidgley | koen had a neo to show off at the conf in brazil |
| 02:07.52 | bmidgley | looks nice, can't wait to tinker with one |
| 02:09.19 | libervisco | will GUI be useful on P1? |
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| 02:10.34 | bmidgley | have people been getting the p0 model? how is the software? |
| 02:10.56 | bmidgley | koen had some kind of prerelease p0 i guess |
| 02:11.10 | peepsalot | the software is... under construction |
| 02:11.38 | DukeOfURL | Does it have the address book? |
| 02:11.50 | peepsalot | anyone know why mtn was chosen instead of svn? |
| 02:11.53 | parag0n | i wish they;d make a light blue / white neo like the pre-release devices they had at that show |
| 02:12.05 | LetoTo | you mean instead of git :P |
| 02:12.21 | parag0n | anyway, bedtime |
| 02:12.49 | peepsalot | well, i don't even really know much about git or mtn. just curious |
| 02:13.02 | peepsalot | svn seems to be the standard in most cases |
| 02:13.02 | bluelightning | peepsalot: mtn/git/etc. are distributed, svn isn't |
| 02:13.55 | peepsalot | so no main host server is necessary? |
| 02:14.13 | DukeOfURL | is it mirrored or federated? |
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| 02:15.16 | nonickatm | well I gave up camera isn't necesary for neo1973, just use an external one |
| 02:15.17 | peepsalot | DukeOfURL, i don't think there is any functional address book software yet. not from what I have seen |
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| 02:16.02 | DukeOfURL | k |
| 02:16.07 | orospakr | so, I wonder if the rumoured feature in the mass market release is going to be wifi after all. any news on that? |
| 02:16.12 | libervisco | will P1 be better in that regard? |
| 02:16.30 | libervisco | (software, GUI etc. I mean) |
| 02:16.54 | nonickatm | because if we put a camera, it will be a mess only for some trashy photos that can't be used for nothing |
| 02:17.18 | peepsalot | maybe the feature is powered usb 2.0 :p |
| 02:17.27 | bluelightning | peepsalot: with distributed version control basically you can commit to your own tree, and sync with other people's trees |
| 02:17.53 | DukeOfURL | if the gsm chip handles the SIP, will address book functions have to be part of gsmd? |
| 02:18.09 | DukeOfURL | will gsmd be open? |
| 02:19.05 | LetoTo | gsm hanlding sip? eh? |
| 02:20.08 | bluelightning | DukeOfURL: gsmd is open... |
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| 02:31.50 | SpeedEvil | All this source is yours, except gpsd, attempt no compiling there. |
| 02:33.01 | SpeedEvil | Even bad cameras work for barcodes and data entry sorts of apps. |
| 02:33.38 | DukeOfURL | Huh? what about gpsd? |
| 02:34.27 | mjr | SpeedEvil, heh |
| 02:35.46 | SpeedEvil | gpsd is the bit with the closed-source gps plugin. |
| 02:36.04 | SpeedEvil | (and it was a bad 2001 reference)/ |
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| 02:37.28 | DukeOfURL | as in Hal? |
| 02:38.22 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 02:38.54 | SpeedEvil | And I meant 2010. |
| 02:39.13 | DukeOfURL | always a sequel |
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| 02:40.42 | Psi_ | i thought it was quite a good reference |
| 02:40.44 | Psi_ | :) |
| 02:43.32 | Psi_ | setting your neo back to factory should be done with a program that acts like HAL in 2010 when he is reactivated :P |
| 02:44.02 | Psi_ | from memory, it was Hello Doctor Name Continue Yesterday Tomorrow |
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| 03:53.26 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Getting_Openmoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo]] |
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| 03:59.52 | peepsalot | another nice script aloril ;-) |
| 04:02.55 | aloril | thanks |
| 04:03.17 | aloril | 1 hour interval seems to suitable(?) |
| 04:06.19 | aevin | it's not event triggered? |
| 04:06.25 | aloril | EET: 2007-03-16 12:15:46 <vmaster> in an interview on the german ccc express radio, Harald mentioned first week of april as a likely date for P1 |
| 04:06.35 | aloril | no, it polls recentchanges page |
| 04:06.48 | aevin | once per hour? |
| 04:06.58 | aloril | also I think it triggered on every edit, that would be in busy time too much |
| 04:07.03 | aloril | yes once/h |
| 04:07.12 | aevin | okay. |
| 04:07.43 | aloril | easy to change, but probably 1/3600 Hz is OK? |
| 04:08.12 | peepsalot | seems reasonabl |
| 04:08.13 | peepsalot | e |
| 04:08.27 | aevin | yes. fine for now. |
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| 04:09.43 | aevin | aloril: ccc express radio is german-speaking only, right? |
| 04:10.02 | aloril | <XorA> counter\n<aloril> 'counter information'\n<'X'> ok. thanks for the info\n<'X'> aloril: Can you help me in getting the counter information for the release? I mean how can I get that info "P1: 2 weeks, 2 days 01:45:45 (16.073 +-7.0 days) (550)" |
| 04:10.19 | aloril | umm... it was just demonstrated for him(/her) ... |
| 04:10.33 | aloril | aevin: yes, so I can't really verify this myself |
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| 04:11.22 | aloril | jgm: in reply to "Nice to see the counter have accuracy down to the second and an error bar of +/- 7 days :)" |
| 04:11.29 | aloril | jgm: there needs to be sense of movement ;-) |
| 04:12.12 | aevin | yeah :) |
| 04:13.05 | technil | bye bye mokopeople... |
| 04:13.25 | aloril | hmm.. currently counter is from 2007-03-25 to 2007-03-07, target date being 2007-03-31, first week ends at 2007-03-04 |
| 04:13.29 | aloril | hmm... |
| 04:14.11 | aloril | counter |
| 04:14.11 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks, a day 07:45:48 (15.323 +-7.0 days) (556) |
| 04:14.21 | aevin | i don't speak german either., but i guess i would be able to understand bits, but i normally sticks to the chaos radio international broadcasts (in english). |
| 04:16.02 | aevin | what? no april? |
| 04:16.08 | aloril | uups. |
| 04:16.19 | aloril | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.45 | aloril | and also: currently counter is from 2007-03-25 to 2007-04-07, target date being 2007-03-31, first week ends at 2007-04-04 |
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| 04:17.36 | aloril | counter |
| 04:17.36 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks, 3 days 07:42:23 (17.321 +-7.0 days) (557) |
| 04:18.11 | aloril | s/dates/days/ |
| 04:20.55 | aevin | now it targets april 2nd at noon UTC. |
| 04:21.06 | aevin | aloril: yes. |
| 04:21.29 | aevin | oh, i't long.. 1h161 |
| 04:21.38 | aevin | 1h16! |
| 04:22.56 | aloril | well.. days are 2d+2h long on earth ;-) |
| 04:24.07 | aevin | but that's included in +-7.0 days, or.. ? |
| 04:24.33 | aloril | sure ;-) |
| 04:25.37 | aevin | i think 2nd april is a seasonable target (for now), i think we'll hit with that 2 week intervla. |
| 04:25.37 | aloril | end date is now 2007-04-09 in UTC-12 and start is -14 24h days from it |
| 04:25.54 | aevin | *reasonable |
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| 04:36.46 | aloril | oh, there is 'new' mailing list, missed that http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/neo1973-hardware |
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| 04:53.55 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973]] |
| 05:11.36 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> Re: OpenMoko & OE question and 13 other mails |
| 05:13.21 | aloril | (that was all mails to openmoko-devel in past ;-) |
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| 06:00.04 | rwhitby | jebba: I just reproduced the libconfuse problem here. |
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| 08:43.37 | Mandarino | Hi everyone :) |
| 08:44.49 | Mandarino | SpeedEvil: last day I received an email from Sean :P |
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| 09:54.10 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 09:55.37 | Mandarino | Hi alo |
| 09:55.39 | Mandarino | aloril |
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| 10:21.28 | lyakh | I posted to community@... ml about 10 hours ago without beine subscribed, got an email "awaiting moderator's approval" - is it going to work? |
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| 10:36.45 | PBeck | hi |
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| 10:51.10 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: My Moko |
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| 11:40.33 | PBeck | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.39 | PBeck | counter |
| 11:40.39 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks, 3 days 00:19:20 (17.013 +-7.0 days) (558) |
| 11:40.45 | PBeck | :> |
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| 11:54.10 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] [[User:Seanj]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 12:19.26 | TobiX | Now... Does the GMAME gateway work in two ways? I think my posting to gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community hasn't appeared on the communit-List yet... |
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| 12:21.51 | TobiX | Ah, it's in the archives, so it must have reached the list :) |
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| 13:05.07 | empty_mind | hey what is the approval process for a project under GForge of openmoko ? |
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| 13:29.15 | _buz | http://www.connectblue.se/products/wlan-products/oem-modules/owspa311g/downloads/ this claims not to need any drivers but it's hug |
| 13:33.55 | Stephmw | yeah, you'd need a 2nd neo-sized box for it |
| 13:35.42 | _buz | also i'm not sure how fast this is |
| 13:35.47 | _buz | maybe it's just 115kbit? |
| 13:36.26 | Stephmw | that'd be sluggish :( |
| 13:37.04 | vmaster | they say the serial interface does up to 900kbit/s |
| 13:37.40 | _buz | the philipgs bgw211 looks neat |
| 13:37.44 | _buz | just cant figure out what drivers it has |
| 13:39.05 | _buz | the entier 802.11 stack lives on the module |
| 13:39.41 | _buz | maybe they could gpl the driver then |
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| 13:54.10 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] |
| 14:21.10 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: python bindings |
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| 17:45.28 | chass | hey, cool robotics and kitty-cat research: http://youtube.com/watch?v=2bPtlDwr7P4 http://youtube.com/watch?v=iPKsXTVTLqI |
| 17:45.28 | aloril | chass: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:45.41 | libervisco | Hi |
| 17:45.45 | chass | hehy |
| 17:46.33 | theholyduck | lol |
| 17:46.50 | theholyduck | nice and totaly unrelated auto answer |
| 17:47.13 | libervisco | I wish Neo had wifi in P1 :\ |
| 17:47.22 | chass | heh |
| 17:47.24 | libervisco | I'd really consider buying then |
| 17:47.50 | libervisco | otherwise I'm in a limbo now.. need to get something with wifi support by June :\ |
| 17:47.56 | libervisco | and if can't be Neo then what.. |
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| 17:48.55 | SpeedEvil | A slave with a ring-binder. |
| 17:51.06 | DukeOfURL | yuk |
| 17:52.08 | DukeOfURL | Gotta hand it to the British--they really know how to make a movie |
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| 18:12.34 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1390 10/trunk/oe/packages/sysvinit/sysvinit/fic-gta01/inittab: oe/sysvinit: run getty on ttySAC0 only in runlevel 2, in runlevel 3 and greater GSM is using ttySAC0 |
| 18:13.25 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1391 10/trunk/oe/conf/machine/fic-gta01.conf: oe/conf: disable automatic SERIAL_CONSOLE entry because of our special handling of GSM via ttySAC0 |
| 18:14.01 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1392 10/trunk/oe/packages/gsm/ (. files/ files/gsmd libgsmd_svn.bb): oe/packages: add startscript for gsm daemon |
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| 18:14.13 | Mandarino | Hi ppl :) |
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| 18:24.55 | abraxa_ | Heya Mandarino |
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| 19:06.22 | suma | how much time normally it will take for the mokomakefile to complete ? |
| 19:06.36 | suma | i'm running on pentuim i686 celeron |
| 19:07.03 | ynezz | +-5 days |
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| 19:08.19 | suma | means if it complete before 5 days, something wrong ? |
| 19:08.38 | ynezz | it was a joke |
| 19:09.03 | suma | i c |
| 19:09.21 | suma | it is running for past 4 hours, and still going on |
| 19:09.31 | suma | that is why i'm curious |
| 19:10.48 | suma | so i thought no wonder, it may go for 5 days also ! |
| 19:12.04 | thresh | it could, in fact |
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| 19:16.16 | MacNorth | mine took about 10 hours |
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| 19:41.39 | Mandarino | reeeee |
| 19:41.44 | Mandarino | bot ? |
| 19:43.09 | SpeedEvil | You are no longer new. |
| 19:43.20 | Mandarino | jajajja :P |
| 19:43.22 | Mandarino | True |
| 19:43.42 | SpeedMandarino | Bot ? |
| 19:43.42 | aloril | SpeedMandarino: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:43.47 | SpeedMandarino | xDDDDDDDDDD |
| 19:44.43 | Mandarino | I hope OM framework will be better than this boot :P |
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| 19:47.12 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2254 Hmm - alcohol breath tester. |
| 19:49.06 | Mandarino | for me? xXDDDDDD I |
| 19:49.36 | SpeedEvil | No - it's been mentioned before, as an add-on for phone. |
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| 19:50.24 | Mandarino | Here in Spain could be a great add-on :P |
| 19:51.02 | Mandarino | I got a question for you.... how are your walls? |
| 19:51.13 | SpeedEvil | Progressing slowly. |
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| 19:53.47 | Mandarino | But... I think your new walls make your house smaller... |
| 19:53.55 | SpeedEvil | 2-4cm. |
| 19:54.11 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MokoMakefile]] |
| 19:54.20 | SpeedEvil | But they reduce the heating bill to 1/4 or so. |
| 19:56.02 | Mandarino | Somebody saw this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHzH5cJnFZ8 xD |
| 20:00.36 | Mandarino | Aish |
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| 20:45.39 | MetaBookfoziS | counter |
| 20:45.39 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks, 2 days 15:14:20 (16.635 +-7.0 days) (559) |
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| 21:03.52 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 21:04.01 | DukeOfURL | Hi |
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| 21:11.10 | peepsalot | cp: cannot stat `/home/peeps/moko/openembedded/packages/netbase/netbase/fic-gta01/if-pre-up.d': No such file or directory |
| 21:11.18 | peepsalot | i ahve this problem with mokomakefile |
| 21:13.58 | CoreDump|home | oops |
| 21:14.07 | CoreDump|home | peepsalot: that would be my doing, hold on |
| 21:14.55 | peepsalot | well before that i was getting a different error. something about mising package xau |
| 21:16.49 | CoreDump|home | peepsalot: to work-around, just "mkdir if-pre-up.d if-up.d if-down.d if-post-down.d" in netbase/fic-gta01 |
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| 21:22.04 | SuN | Investments, investments. |
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| 21:24.08 | CoreDump|home | peepsalot: change pushed. An update should pull in the fixed version |
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| 21:55.35 | peepsalot | | checking for X11... Package xau was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 21:55.47 | peepsalot | I get this error for mokomakefile |
| 21:57.49 | peepsalot | rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/399261 do you know what is wrong? |
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| 22:01.33 | CoreDump|home | peepsalot: try installing libxau-dev on your host |
| 22:03.02 | peepsalot | CoreDump|home, it looks like it already is installed |
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| 22:54.11 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Current_events]] [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] [[Talk:WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] [[Main_Page]] |
| 22:54.34 | rwhitby | CoreDump|home: I think this could be the staging_bindir_cross bug in OE |
| 22:54.57 | rwhitby | peepsalot: is tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/arm-linux a directory or a file for you? |
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| 23:03.08 | rwhitby | mickey|guests: ping - libgsmd_svn.bb is broken in do_install_append - gmsd is in subdir/subdir/subdir of WORKDIR |
| 23:04.06 | rwhitby | oh, scratch that - the real problem is the gsmd init script (not the executable) is not in SRC_URI |
| 23:06.37 | mickey|guests | thanks rwhitby, fixing it in a minute |
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| 23:10.42 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1393 10/trunk/oe/packages/gsm/libgsmd_svn.bb: oe/gsm: fix install. closes #284, thanks rwhitby. |
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| 23:16.54 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1394 10/trunk/oe/packages/gsm/files/gsmd: oe/libgsmd: supply necessary options to gsmd invocation |
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| 23:22.51 | peepsalot | rwhitby, i do not have such a directory or file. closest thing is arm-linux-libtool |
| 23:23.07 | rwhitby | ok, that's not the problem then |
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