| 00:00.10 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:00.10 | stefan_schmidt | hopefully tomorrow |
| 00:01.02 | grgehunt | i guess german customs is very thorough and efficient :) |
| 00:01.48 | Elrond | grgehunt - Yep. They kept the gps module of a friend, until he went to the customs and free'd it... |
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| 00:02.02 | Elrond | "free your phone. It's kid'napped by customs" ;) |
| 00:02.21 | SuN | In .nl it's very random, some packages get intercepted, others travel freely without getting inspected. |
| 00:02.37 | peepsalot | Your Neo1973 Has been kidnapped by ninjas, are you a bad enough dude to rescue it? |
| 00:02.48 | grgehunt | i've been fairly lucky with most packages, including one sent to the .nl |
| 00:04.55 | Elrond | peepsalot - Is that the first game on the neo? |
| 00:05.52 | peepsalot | well, maybe if someone makes an NES emulator for it... ;-) |
| 00:07.10 | woglinde | lol |
| 00:08.02 | Stephmw | stefan_schmidt: I hope for you too |
| 00:08.16 | Stephmw | stefan_schmidt: I usually find out a week later whether I've escaped extra charges |
| 00:08.16 | peepsalot | hmm, i guess multiplayer games could be played over BT, hadn't considered that before |
| 00:08.21 | Elrond | If the neo overlives that, it's robust. ;) |
| 00:08.27 | Stephmw | peepsalot: it's pretty common ;) |
| 00:08.48 | SpeedEvil | What games could you do with multiple BT headsets? |
| 00:08.56 | SpeedEvil | (and people) |
| 00:09.03 | Stephmw | music-based ones I guess |
| 00:09.06 | peepsalot | most games would not work well with the Neo's lack of buttons though |
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| 00:09.23 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - All sorts of fun at public places like railway stations. ;) |
| 00:09.24 | SpeedEvil | I can see 1D flyers. |
| 00:09.30 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: as well as telephone-type games 'he-said, she-said'... |
| 00:09.44 | SpeedEvil | with the control along one edge. |
| 00:10.41 | peepsalot | PONG! |
| 00:10.57 | SpeedEvil | Breakout. |
| 00:11.47 | mhamrick | wrt BT games... I tried my hand at doin' BT on an old TapWave... it was a painful experience |
| 00:11.58 | SpeedEvil | Tapwave? |
| 00:12.15 | mhamrick | I've yet to try again with the Nokia 770 |
| 00:12.21 | Elrond | Well, the screen can be abused like a normal laptop touchpad... and we have two buttons. ;) |
| 00:12.28 | Stephmw | doing BT from J2ME is fairly nice, but that's a good way away for the Neo |
| 00:12.32 | mhamrick | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapwave |
| 00:12.41 | mhamrick | it was a PalmOS device |
| 00:12.52 | mhamrick | laid out like a PSP or NNintendo DS |
| 00:13.10 | mhamrick | Cool technology, bad marketing |
| 00:13.34 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 00:13.38 | peepsalot | is PhoneME same as J2ME? |
| 00:13.50 | mhamrick | But... Bluez seems to be stable, though a middleware component for net/bt/zigbee games would be cool.. |
| 00:14.10 | mhamrick | D'oh! everyone else took one step back and left me to volunteer! |
| 00:14.30 | mhamrick | I guess that's what you get for hanging out on IRC channels related to open source projects |
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| 00:14.34 | mhamrick | but seriously |
| 00:14.38 | Elrond | mhamrick - For what did you volunteer? |
| 00:15.32 | mhamrick | a simple connection library that can work over BT/Zigbee/Net without the app (game) programmer having to worry about the details |
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| 00:16.00 | mhamrick | I'm currently doing some low-level DBUS hacking |
| 00:16.10 | peepsalot | what's zigbee? |
| 00:16.33 | SuN | Hm, a Zodiac, sounds like an appealing device still. |
| 00:16.43 | mhamrick | so a DBUS service that manages such things is on my roadmap |
| 00:16.53 | LoDown | peepsalot: a wireless standard somewhat like bluetooth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zigbee |
| 00:16.53 | mhamrick | though mostly for key management instead of games |
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| 00:17.18 | mhamrick | yeah... I don't think the Neo1973 is going to have Zigbee |
| 00:17.35 | Elrond | mhamrick - Ohh... now I know, who to ask, if/when I start at dbus. ;o) |
| 00:17.36 | mhamrick | but one of the HBMobile phones under design now will. |
| 00:17.49 | mhamrick | feel free to ask |
| 00:18.11 | mhamrick | my answers may be "oh... it's obvious... just look at the source!" ;-) |
| 00:18.42 | mhamrick | Actually... enough has happened with DBUS that entirely new tutorials and manuals are probably in order |
| 00:18.49 | peepsalot | does the Neo have a zigbee capable device in it? |
| 00:18.57 | Elrond | You mean s/just look at the source/RTFS |
| 00:18.57 | peepsalot | nm |
| 00:19.10 | mhamrick | If I ever get a free cycle |
| 00:19.39 | Elrond | mhamrick - If BT and zigbee are compatible: Yes. Otherwise: No. |
| 00:19.56 | mhamrick | peeps... I don't think the Neo's going to have Zigbee, but I hear of people talking about Zigbee SD cards |
| 00:20.10 | balrog-kun | whoah |
| 00:20.14 | mhamrick | And I'm going to integrate Zigbee into my myPhone design |
| 00:20.29 | balrog-kun | openmoko is a whole lot more responsive than GPE or OPIE on the same device |
| 00:21.04 | mhamrick | yeah... I've unfortunately only seen an old version of hte software working on modern Neo hardware |
| 00:21.15 | SuN | Hm, what's different to openmoko compared to GPE? |
| 00:21.30 | mhamrick | It was "not bad" in terms of responsiveness, but I hear a lot of UI work has gone down recently |
| 00:21.55 | mhamrick | cool... I've got to hurry up and get some hardware |
| 00:22.09 | balrog-kun | SuN: the whole interface is.. well, like on a phone, rather than a PDA |
| 00:22.23 | SuN | I mean performance-wise. |
| 00:22.28 | balrog-kun | buttons are huge and few |
| 00:22.34 | SuN | All in all GPE is just an x server with a bar and a desktop. |
| 00:22.43 | balrog-kun | performance wise it's hard to tell but it makes an impression of being a lot faster |
| 00:22.49 | mhamrick | In my day job I use a HTC Apache to test our app, I keep thinkging about putting OPIE, OpenMoKo, GPE, or something on it |
| 00:23.43 | mhamrick | but I'll probably just wait until I have "real" hardware. |
| 00:24.52 | balrog-kun | now i just need to figure out these ECC errors before boot... |
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| 00:28.50 | peepsalot | can apps use the full screen if needed? including top & bottom panels? |
| 00:29.00 | balrog-kun | is there a defconfig for neo1973 somewhere? |
| 00:29.06 | cjb | peepsalot: yes. |
| 00:29.11 | balrog-kun | there's none in the patchset |
| 00:29.58 | cjb | balrog-kun: there must be, since mokomakefile builds a kernel.. |
| 00:31.13 | Elrond | peepsalot - It's plain X11. You could run xlock and be screed. ;o) |
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| 00:33.43 | balrog-kun | cjb: ok, there seems to be one in a separate directory in the svn |
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| 01:27.59 | balrog-kun | are the bottom bar icons (two squares and three squares) supposed to do anything? :p |
| 01:29.18 | balrog-kun | oh that's footer area |
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| 02:12.40 | ghostisgray | sup all |
| 02:12.48 | ghostisgray | i am very interested in this phone |
| 02:12.54 | ghostisgray | and i been readin the wiki |
| 02:13.01 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 02:13.06 | ghostisgray | but like where will it be avaiable to buy? |
| 02:13.06 | aloril | ghostisgray: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 02:13.13 | SpeedEvil | late march |
| 02:13.24 | ghostisgray | where though? |
| 02:13.30 | SpeedEvil | $350 - for the development version, Sep for end-user. |
| 02:13.42 | SpeedEvil | from the website - not announced yet. |
| 02:13.48 | SpeedEvil | direct ship. |
| 02:13.52 | don-o | from a 7-11 near you :) |
| 02:13.57 | SpeedEvil | September, it may be in shops. |
| 02:14.02 | SpeedEvil | Depending on things. |
| 02:14.10 | ghostisgray | i want the devolop version |
| 02:14.18 | ghostisgray | want to play with it =] |
| 02:14.34 | don-o | ghostisgray: join the club :) |
| 02:14.39 | SpeedEvil | That's late march then, purchased online from the store that will prolly open soon. |
| 02:14.44 | don-o | im interested in multiuser, bluetooth apps |
| 02:14.47 | SpeedEvil | There is a link to mailing lists on the wiki. |
| 02:15.05 | don-o | ghostisgray: say 'counter' to see how long until you can buy one |
| 02:15.09 | SpeedEvil | and there is an 'announce' list, whihc will announce when it is ready to buy |
| 02:15.19 | ghostisgray | counter |
| 02:15.20 | aloril | P0: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/412593301/ P1: 3 weeks, 4 days 09:44:40 (25.406 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (492) |
| 02:15.26 | ghostisgray | hot |
| 02:16.15 | don-o | its time to give the openmoko makefile another try. i always seem to have to leave before it finishes |
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| 02:16.56 | newmedian | don't use the: make haste option then |
| 02:17.29 | don-o | make haste? is that makefile-nerd humor? :) |
| 02:17.35 | newmedian | barely. ;) |
| 02:17.48 | Lumpio- | Makefile humor ftw! |
| 02:18.00 | Lumpio- | If you ever release something, don't forget funny targets from the makefile |
| 02:18.05 | ghostisgray | im so salavating at the picture |
| 02:18.07 | ghostisgray | hot |
| 02:18.19 | ghostisgray | < phone geek |
| 02:19.01 | newmedian | ghostisgray, if you're a phone geek, you might like http://phonelabs.com/prd05.asp |
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| 02:19.10 | don-o | i think if you're in the channel, you're pretty much a phone geek |
| 02:20.39 | ghostisgray | quick stupid question that pic on flicker, thats what the devoloper version comes with? |
| 02:21.50 | gabaug | only a few ship w/ a debug board and adapter, but besides that, yes |
| 02:22.25 | rwhitby | don-o: I'm around if you're trying out MokoMakefile ... |
| 02:22.38 | don-o | rwhitby: cool, thanks. |
| 02:22.58 | don-o | rwhitby: doing make setup now, this is an ubuntu laptop. |
| 02:22.59 | rwhitby | it built from scratch for me last night with no errors. |
| 02:23.11 | rwhitby | watch out for /bin/sh linked to dash then |
| 02:23.51 | don-o | rwhitby: yes /bin/sh is linked to dash. ive never heard of dash before. |
| 02:24.04 | rwhitby | your build will fail if that is the case |
| 02:24.11 | don-o | what should it be |
| 02:24.24 | rwhitby | do a google on it - you will see lots of discussion |
| 02:24.41 | don-o | should it link to bash? |
| 02:24.44 | rwhitby | it "should" be dash, but needs to be bash for anything much to build. |
| 02:25.04 | newmedian | ghostisgray, if you go to http://planet.openmoko.org/ and scroll down a little bit to where the "Phase 0 is shipping!" entry is, it has a packing list of items included in the Phase 0 shipment. |
| 02:25.10 | rwhitby | (not only moko stuff, anything that assumes /bin/sh is actually bash - bad assumption, but lots of stuff assumes it) |
| 02:26.01 | don-o | rwhitby: thanks for the tip. ive changed it to point to bash |
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| 02:29.43 | don-o | the monotone pull takes forever. |
| 02:32.42 | don-o | "revs in" is 24/2,914 at what looks like 1 rev every 5 seconds! |
| 02:33.04 | rwhitby | do you have an old monotone version? |
| 02:33.15 | rwhitby | (the older version snapshots are old in time too) |
| 02:33.31 | don-o | my net connection is pretty good, got 253kbytes/sec downloading OE-...0.31.mnt.bz2 |
| 02:33.37 | don-o | checking the version |
| 02:33.42 | rwhitby | 0.31 |
| 02:34.01 | don-o | monotone 0.31 |
| 02:34.03 | rwhitby | latest is 0.32 - you will need to incur the big pull once, and will be fine after that. |
| 02:34.21 | pjz | howcome if I do 'make' I get | ERROR: Nothing provides dependency openmoko-devel-image |
| 02:34.28 | pjz | ? |
| 02:34.31 | rwhitby | pjz: no idea. |
| 02:34.36 | pjz | ever since I did a 'make update' with mokomakefile |
| 02:34.54 | rwhitby | pastebin a log of everything from "make update-makefile ; make update ; make setup ; make" |
| 02:35.04 | pjz | ahhh, needed to do a make setup I buet |
| 02:35.06 | pjz | bet |
| 02:35.09 | pjz | trying that now |
| 02:35.43 | don-o | rwhitby: if i do a make setup on a different machine and copy the /moko directory to the laptop, would that work? |
| 02:36.00 | rwhitby | yep, should do, if the paths remain the same. |
| 02:36.22 | rwhitby | (and the monotone version remains the same) |
| 02:36.46 | rwhitby | hmm - there is a subversion working directory discontinuity at version 1.4.0 of subversion too |
| 02:37.01 | rwhitby | so "it should work" :-) |
| 02:43.46 | rwhitby | 3/7/2007 11:59 am Arrived at DHL facility. Adelaide, Australia |
| 02:47.16 | don-o | oh my gosh. go rwhitby! |
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| 02:49.58 | rwhitby | Doh! I just remembered I caught the bus to work today! |
| 02:50.19 | don-o | oh noes! |
| 02:50.27 | newmedian | denied |
| 02:50.40 | don-o | p0wned |
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| 02:58.46 | cjb | hmph: |
| 02:58.54 | cjb | learn:cjb~/devirginate-20070301 % ./tmp/openocd -f ./tmp/openocd-debugv2.cfg |
| 02:58.54 | cjb | Info: openocd.c:84 main(): Open On-Chip Debugger (2007-01-31 12:00 CET) |
| 02:58.54 | cjb | Error: ft2232.c:1351 ft2232_init(): unable to open ftdi device: device not found |
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| 03:23.34 | Ycros | pain. |
| 03:35.26 | pjz | woo! I'm up to the common libx11-X11R7.1-1.0.1 breakage! |
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| 03:41.19 | cjb | anyone with a debug board around? |
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| 03:56.03 | aevin | pjz: missing xau package or something? |
| 03:56.30 | aevin | or failure in fetching the package? |
| 03:56.34 | pjz | aevin: yeah, exactly. It seems to be looking under i686 instead of i486 |
| 03:56.43 | pjz | aevin: missing xau package |
| 03:57.09 | aevin | pjz: I'm having the same problem here. |
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| 03:59.01 | aevin | pjz: like this, right? http://rafb.net/p/KnTADt59.html |
| 03:59.40 | pjz | aevin: yeah, see line 5? I think that's wrong |
| 04:00.00 | pjz | aevin: b/c that's checking i686 instead of armv4t-linux |
| 04:01.34 | aloril | last 2 nick count records: 270 2007-02-26 276 2007-03-06 23:54:54 |
| 04:03.08 | aevin | what was that, aloril? |
| 04:04.23 | aevin | pjz: but we're building it for i686 architecture, as specified in your /home/moko/build/conf/local.conf |
| 04:05.46 | pjz | aevin: oh? you seem to be trying to build home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/libx11-X11R7.1-1.0.1-r4/temp/log.do_configure.9976. Note the armv4t-linux part |
| 04:06.15 | pjz | mine says /home/pj/moko/pcmoko/build/tmp/work/i486-linux/libx11-X11R7.1-1.0.1-r4/temp/log.do_configure.30362. Note the i486-linux part |
| 04:06.41 | pjz | so I'm betting your build/conf/local.conf doesn't say x86 in it |
| 04:06.56 | aloril | aevin: count of nicks in this channel |
| 04:07.16 | aevin | aloril: and the numbers? |
| 04:07.21 | aevin | ah |
| 04:07.22 | aevin | nm :) |
| 04:07.41 | aevin | aloril: are you logging them for future statistics? |
| 04:08.30 | aloril | aevin: just telling that there has been peak interest after P0 was shipped (and arrived at least once already) |
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| 04:16.59 | pjz | wow, where would I mod PKG_CONFIG_PATH if I wanted to!? |
| 04:18.19 | apg88 | Is Qemu a good idea for testing apps, or should I try Xoo ? |
| 04:18.19 | aloril | apg88: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 04:22.39 | aevin | pjz: i tried to set $PKG_CONFIG_PATH in the moko/setup-env file (which gets loaded before building), but i had no success. |
| 04:25.10 | aevin | after the building fails, there's no variable $PKG_CONFIG_PATH set... |
| 04:27.05 | rwhitby | and DHL as well, just for good measure. |
| 04:27.06 | konrad__ | yes.. |
| 04:27.12 | aloril | article about "Fixed Mobile Convergence" and "Fixed Mobile Substitution" that mentions OpenMoko http://www.wirevolution.com/2007/03/06/13/ |
| 04:27.13 | konrad__ | is DHL the only shipping option? |
| 04:27.14 | aloril | konrad__: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 04:27.25 | konrad__ | bother. |
| 04:27.47 | aloril | rwhitby: problewm |
| 04:27.51 | aloril | problems? |
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| 04:28.45 | rwhitby | anyway, I'm sure I'll be much happier in less than half an hour ... |
| 04:28.58 | kmeyer | oops |
| 04:29.00 | kmeyer | :P |
| 04:29.56 | rwhitby | it's here :-) |
| 04:30.15 | newmedian | oooh |
| 04:30.16 | aloril | rwhitby: cool |
| 04:30.35 | aevin | pjz: i tried copying the xau.pc from ....tmp/staging/??/share/pkg-config/ to ....tmp/staging/??/lib/pkg-config (which is default in $PKG_CONFIG_PATH ) |
| 04:31.51 | aevin | i guess this shouldnt be necessary so something might be wrong, but it seemed to help. now it complains about another package (xdmcp.pc) missing though (i only copied xau.pc).. |
| 04:31.59 | pjz | right |
| 04:32.17 | pjz | like I said, it's looking in the wrong arch's share/pkg-config dir |
| 04:32.30 | aevin | only 16 mins left of battery. i better save this problem for later. |
| 04:32.35 | aevin | yes. |
| 04:33.11 | pjz | rwhitby: O Clueful One, spare us a moment to debug the X11 problem? I know what the problem is, I'm just not sure where/how to fix it. |
| 04:33.30 | aevin | there are more .pc files in the share/pkg-config than lib/pkg-config , need to edit the $PKG_CONFIG_PATH :-) or copy them over :-( |
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| 04:35.46 | pjz | yeah, need to figure out how to get target into that path |
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| 04:46.26 | aloril | ETel report, OpenMoko mentioned only briefly at end: http://herot.typepad.com/cherot/2007/03/etel_why_let_we.html |
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| 05:02.47 | Readon | i met the problem also, did it be fixed? |
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| 05:35.57 | gabaug | anybody know how much disk space /home/moko will take up after running the MokoMakefile? |
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| 05:37.47 | aloril | gabaug: maybe 7GB |
| 05:38.10 | gabaug | jesus...that needs to be stated on the wiki :) |
| 05:38.41 | Readon | | checking for arm-linux-pkg-config... no |
| 05:38.41 | Readon | | checking for pkg-config... /home/sbox/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/pkg-config |
| 05:38.41 | Readon | | checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes |
| 05:39.02 | Readon | | checking for X11... Package xau was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 05:39.22 | Readon | X117.1 building reports error |
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| 05:45.40 | Readon | does any one build successful with the latest version of MokoMakefile? |
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| 05:59.15 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03jiang_li * r1256 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-simplemediaplayer/beep/ (main.c mainwin.c): This commit modify the code to ensure that only one instance of simple mediaplayer exists. |
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| 06:05.19 | alphaone | Yay, my Neo is in Cologne! |
| 06:07.35 | aloril | how many have received Phase 0 phone? at least 3 I think |
| 06:09.57 | aloril | started http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Chat_log though most of it will be here too |
| 06:10.24 | aloril | (nothing new there now) |
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| 06:26.55 | don-o | once 'make openmoko-devel-image' finishes, then what? |
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| 06:30.57 | rwhitby | don-o: then you can use it with devirginator, or you can rebuild with MACHINE=x86 for xoo or MACHINE=qemuarm for qemu |
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| 06:32.52 | don-o | what would you recommend? |
| 06:33.15 | ping_tu | who can tell me what means of mtn in openmoko at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch_%28pre-BBT%29 |
| 06:33.37 | alphaone | ping_tu: That's the monotone command |
| 06:34.12 | ping_tu | i install montone, i do mnt command, OS cant find this command |
| 06:34.28 | alphaone | mtn |
| 06:34.34 | peepsalot | ping_tu: you have ubuntu? |
| 06:34.35 | ping_tu | yes |
| 06:34.35 | alphaone | Should be there |
| 06:34.40 | ping_tu | yes |
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| 06:35.08 | peepsalot | ubuntu has an old version in repositories that will not work anyways |
| 06:35.20 | peepsalot | install the deb from the monotone project |
| 06:35.30 | rwhitby | ping_tu: use mokomakefile, and install monotone > 0.27 |
| 06:35.52 | ping_tu | OK,i try it |
| 06:35.57 | peepsalot | I used this one http://monotone.ca/downloads/0.32/ |
| 06:36.08 | peepsalot | version .33 will not work |
| 06:36.17 | rwhitby | peepsalot: yes it will now |
| 06:36.32 | peepsalot | oh ok, cool. sorry about that |
| 06:36.40 | don-o | rwhitby: should i stop the openmoko image build in order to start the X86 build? |
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| 06:37.03 | rwhitby | (the Makefile falls back to the latest OE version available, and then you may need to mtn db upgrade from there if there has been a change in the db format) |
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| 06:37.23 | rwhitby | don-o: up to you - would be good to get a known good build first. |
| 06:37.53 | don-o | rwhitby: well if its crosscompiling for the neo CPU, id rather skip that part and build something I can use with Xoo |
| 06:38.10 | don-o | rwhitby: where does the MACHINE=x86 config go? |
| 06:38.21 | rwhitby | don-o: in build/conf/local.conf |
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| 06:41.49 | aloril | rwhitby: maybe there should be some comment about "easier to use MokoMakefile" or something |
| 06:46.47 | don-o | rwhitby: how is the P0 device? |
| 06:48.00 | rwhitby | it's in pieces at the moment |
| 06:48.57 | rwhitby | connecting it up to the debug board |
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| 07:16.13 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03ken_zhao * r1257 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard/gtk-2.0/gtkbutton: |
| 07:16.13 | CIA-7 | openmoko: fix bug 228: |
| 07:16.13 | CIA-7 | openmoko: openmoko-stylus-demo and openmoko-appmanager runs OK. |
| 07:16.13 | CIA-7 | openmoko: contacts still crashes. |
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| 07:34.32 | ping_tu | i do sudo cat > file <<EOF then prompt Permission denied in ubuntu,why? |
| 07:35.51 | ping_tu | sudo cat > filename <<EOF > EOF |
| 07:39.18 | hrw | according to DHL page my neo should be in Poland today |
| 07:39.34 | bluelightning | mine arrived today :) |
| 07:40.32 | hrw | lucky you |
| 07:40.34 | bluelightning | it's probably quicker to send within Asia-Pacific I imagine |
| 07:42.47 | aloril | (CL) Phone idea with all kind of stuff in it running OpenMoko (target $1,275): [ http://www.embedded-computing.com/departments/embedded_perspective/2007/03/ The Phone of Next Tuesday] (this sounds like a 'joke' ;-) |
| 07:43.02 | aloril | bluelightning: that brings Phone 0 in wild at least up to 4 now |
| 07:43.42 | bluelightning | the Aussies have theirs by now too I should imagine? |
| 07:51.24 | amarsh04 | rwhitby received his nearly 3 and a half hours ago in Adelaide, .au |
| 07:52.04 | amarsh04 | so he should be able to show it off at the next LinuxSA meeting (last meeting they had an OLPC demo) |
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| 08:02.47 | alphaone | Mine's in hanover now. That's only 90km away :-) |
| 08:04.30 | hrw | Leipzig, Germany -> Poznań, Poland should be few hours |
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| 08:07.22 | ynezz | no napewno :p |
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| 08:10.03 | hrw | ynezz: skoro tak mówisz ;D |
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| 08:16.12 | rwhitby | amarsh04: yep, definatelty at next LinuxSA meeting, with debug board and all |
| 08:19.26 | bluelightning | rwhitby: now all you need is an IP-enabled robotic arm to press the power button when necessary ;) |
| 08:19.41 | amarsh04 | thanks rwhitby |
| 08:19.52 | rwhitby | nope, I have a serial controlled relay box, which will power a powered hub |
| 08:20.04 | bluelightning | nice |
| 08:20.19 | rwhitby | since the battery life is only 2 hours, that's the most I would need to wait if I can't reset it through jtag |
| 08:20.35 | rwhitby | took some pictures - will upload after the kids go to bed |
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| 08:26.30 | CM | More P0: http://gburt.blogspot.com/2007/03/open-devices.html |
| 08:27.19 | rwhitby | hey koen |
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| 08:34.13 | rwhitby | http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/ |
| 08:37.24 | bluelightning | rwhitby: OT, but is your vantec drive case "live" when it's powered and not plugged into the USB (can be felt by running your hand over the case)? |
| 08:37.34 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03alex_tang * r1258 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/ (callbacks.c main.c main.h): |
| 08:37.34 | CIA-7 | openmoko: Add get_model_number to get current folder's message number. |
| 08:37.34 | CIA-7 | openmoko: Add search key word initializtion. |
| 08:37.47 | koen | hey rwhitby |
| 08:37.53 | rwhitby | bluelightning: yes, it is |
| 08:38.06 | hrw | hi koen |
| 08:38.10 | koen | hey hrw |
| 08:38.15 | bluelightning | interesting, I figured it was a model defect... I returned two in that condition |
| 08:38.18 | bluelightning | hi koen |
| 08:38.25 | koen | hey bluelightning |
| 08:38.29 | rwhitby | bluelightning: I don't expect it to spin down. |
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| 08:38.57 | bluelightning | rwhitby: not so much the spinning down thing as the being electrified thing... |
| 08:39.20 | bluelightning | the case floats at about 90VAC above earth ground |
| 08:39.58 | rwhitby | bluelightning: oh, dunno about that. I never go much near that rig - it's all controlled remotely. |
| 08:40.26 | bluelightning | ah ok |
| 08:40.36 | bluelightning | lots of gadgets there :) |
| 08:40.38 | daxxar | You need a Gumstix, rwhitby ;-) |
| 08:40.46 | rwhitby | daxxar: want to send me one? |
| 08:41.18 | daxxar | I wish :-P |
| 08:41.37 | daxxar | My only model is in a home-made box under a stairwell across the country, acting as a router |
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| 08:45.14 | rwhitby | my aim is to have full remote control of jtag, serial console, power, webcam (to see the screen), bluetooth, ethernet, etc |
| 08:47.49 | daxxar | Ah, I remember that |
| 08:48.20 | amarsh04 | good photos rwhitby |
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| 08:50.20 | CM | rwhitby: What |
| 08:50.42 | CM | 's that huge grey thing with a floppy drive? |
| 08:50.57 | rwhitby | HP Logic Analyser |
| 08:51.36 | CM | Ah, ok :) |
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| 09:07.03 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1259 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-keyboard/src/matchbox-keyboard-ui-xft-backend.c: Remove unnecessory debug message. |
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| 09:10.29 | Beltz | !info |
| 09:10.33 | Beltz | !help |
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| 09:12.44 | Readon | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=244 |
| 09:12.46 | guaqua | right, beltz |
| 09:12.51 | Readon | any one can help? |
| 09:15.26 | rwhitby | Readon: firstly, it should be reported against Bitbake/OE recipes |
| 09:15.53 | rwhitby | and it has nothing to do with MokoMakefile (it happens with straight bitbake commands too) |
| 09:18.11 | Readon | why openmoko must use the latest version of OE? |
| 09:18.20 | Readon | why not using a stable one? |
| 09:18.34 | XorA | Readon: it will when openmoko is released |
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| 09:18.42 | rwhitby | Readon: see the first few lines of MokoMakefile if you want to freeze. |
| 09:18.43 | XorA | Readon: it is currently a developer toy |
| 09:18.55 | koen | XorA: don't feed the trolls... |
| 09:19.16 | XorA | koen: if you feed them past daylight they turn into stone |
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| 09:21.24 | hrw | XorA: which daylight? :D |
| 09:21.55 | rwhitby | Readon: ignore koen, he's unable to do level 1 support in a community channel. |
| 09:22.26 | bluelightning | funny, when harald said "guitar pick" I thought that was just the name for a special tool, not an actual guitar pick :) |
| 09:22.30 | XorA | hrw: localtime |
| 09:22.46 | rwhitby | bluelightning: it works perfectly though, doesn't it! |
| 09:22.59 | bluelightning | rwhitby: yeah |
| 09:23.23 | bluelightning | it has a funky looking face on it too |
| 09:23.37 | rwhitby | if only I'd learnt guitar, a whole lot of other devices I own wouldn't have screwdriver marks around the joining edges ... |
| 09:25.00 | Readon | rwhitby, i will try it |
| 09:25.39 | rwhitby | Readon: no guarantee it will solve your libx11 problem. |
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| 09:28.53 | Readon | at least it would be a chance |
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| 09:34.17 | aloril2 | Beltz: |
| 09:34.22 | aloril2 | faq? |
| 09:34.23 | aloril | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ |
| 09:35.00 | alphaone | There's two of you :-) |
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| 09:36.49 | aloril2 | hehe, this one is much slower though (on 128x128 pixel device, Neo1973 will be quite update ;-) |
| 09:40.48 | vmaster | cjb: I saw you had problems starting the OpenOCD last night? Have you been able to solve this? |
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| 10:00.25 | rwhitby | damn - I've lost connection with the Neo (which is at work), and can't get it back again. Oh well, I'll need to set up remote power control on the hub tomorrow to fix that. |
| 10:03.05 | rwhitby | hmm - maybe I'll still be able to program the ftdi eeprom on the debug board and get openocd working ... |
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| 10:06.35 | guaqua | rwhitby: managed switch ;) |
| 10:08.26 | rwhitby | guaqua: huh? I can get to the host the neo is connected to, but the cdc ethernet device is not coming up for usb0 |
| 10:09.17 | alphaone | rwhitby: Any way to trigger a power outage in your general region? :-) |
| 10:10.04 | guaqua | rwhitby: okay, nm then :) |
| 10:10.15 | guaqua | i was thinking network |
| 10:11.53 | rwhitby | alphaone: since it's at my workplace, not really :-) |
| 10:12.39 | balrog-kun | so.. what do i put in the "splash" partition in the nand? |
| 10:12.56 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: have you built devirginator? |
| 10:13.08 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: nope, i'm flashing with u-boot |
| 10:14.14 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: devirginator creates a splash.gz file |
| 10:14.31 | balrog-kun | oh ok |
| 10:15.05 | balrog-kun | i was using prebuilt images, i guess splash is not critical :) |
| 10:16.31 | alphaone | März 07, 2007 09:42 Hannover - Germany in Auslieferung durch Kurier |
| 10:16.33 | alphaone | Yay! |
| 10:16.36 | xkr47 | I think the splash screen should have a THX kindof animation |
| 10:16.51 | xkr47 | with somebody open an "access door" to the inside machinery |
| 10:17.08 | xkr47 | THX as in the ones around ~2000 |
| 10:17.29 | XorA | March 07, 2007 10:02 Edinburgh - UK With delivery courier |
| 10:17.35 | xkr47 | hehe |
| 10:17.38 | XorA | yay so it will be in depot tomorrow |
| 10:18.36 | balrog-kun | oh ok, devirginator doesn't force me to build all the images from scratch, nice |
| 10:18.42 | balrog-kun | *compiles* |
| 10:19.26 | rwhitby | anyone reprogrammed the ftdi eeprom on the debug board yet? |
| 10:20.12 | Kaloz | mine will be here in 3-4 hours :) |
| 10:20.26 | Kaloz | rwhitby: i don't think too much people got and broke it already :)) |
| 10:21.04 | rwhitby | heh - mine's not broken, but perhaps I can power cycle it if I can get into u-boot, and that might kick cdc ether into action |
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| 10:23.05 | bluelightning | btw for anyone who tries to open the device, I found the top clip to be quite difficult to unlatch even with the help of the pick, so be careful (assuming you'd rather not break it) |
| 10:24.14 | rwhitby | bluelightning: yeah, me too. Looks like if you push inward with the pick it might help. |
| 10:24.23 | rwhitby | (to unhook the catch there) |
| 10:25.01 | bluelightning | rwhitby: yeah that probably would have worked... I just wiggled the cover sideways (gently) until it came free |
| 10:25.37 | rwhitby | if I get time, I'll write up a howto like this one: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/OpenTheCase |
| 10:27.36 | bluelightning | I must try the pick or something similar on my IPAQ sleeve with the dodgy power connector... I had figured it impossible to open without destroying the case, but maybe there is hope |
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| 10:31.56 | Stephmw | yo |
| 10:32.10 | xkr47 | morning |
| 10:32.17 | pvanhoof | mickey|austria, ping |
| 10:32.32 | hrw | pvanhoof: mickeyl is offline during this week |
| 10:32.35 | pvanhoof | ok |
| 10:32.35 | florian | good morning |
| 10:32.39 | pvanhoof | hey florian |
| 10:32.56 | pvanhoof | hrw, is mickey|austria mickey@openmoko.com? |
| 10:33.03 | hrw | pvanhoof: yes |
| 10:33.06 | pvanhoof | okay :) |
| 10:33.16 | pvanhoof | Is sean@m.. here? ;) |
| 10:33.18 | florian | hmm... good point |
| 10:33.23 | hrw | pvanhoof: sean? no |
| 10:33.36 | pvanhoof | Okay, well I spoke them at FOSDEM about meeting at KC |
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| 10:33.43 | florian | pvanhoof: we don't have a bb file for modest yet, right? |
| 10:33.46 | hrw | kc? |
| 10:33.51 | pvanhoof | a bb file? |
| 10:33.55 | pvanhoof | hrw, kernel concepts |
| 10:33.56 | hrw | bitbake recipe |
| 10:34.02 | florian | :) |
| 10:34.08 | pvanhoof | so i basically wanted to check on that :) |
| 10:34.20 | pvanhoof | florian, you happen to know when such a meeting would take place? |
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| 10:34.42 | pvanhoof | because I would have to plan that a little bit ;) if it does take place of course |
| 10:35.12 | pvanhoof | florian, I don't know whether or not we have a bb file for modest |
| 10:35.33 | pvanhoof | I know dirk-jan is creating private packages :) |
| 10:35.40 | florian | pvanhoof: i guess for us it would be quite flexible to arrange :) |
| 10:35.40 | pvanhoof | but releasing will take a few months |
| 10:35.52 | pvanhoof | Also note that modest is by far usable :) |
| 10:36.03 | pvanhoof | it does crash and it doesn't let you configure the account and ... |
| 10:36.06 | pvanhoof | :p |
| 10:36.26 | florian | pvanhoof: what about the status of the "normal" gtk ui? |
| 10:36.31 | pvanhoof | the demoui? |
| 10:36.43 | pvanhoof | yes well, it doesn't crash :) else it's definitely a tinymail bug too |
| 10:36.51 | florian | pvanhoof: no, the modest one... it used to be way more stable than the maemo ui |
| 10:36.57 | pvanhoof | ah I see |
| 10:37.01 | pvanhoof | yes that one is more stable |
| 10:37.13 | pvanhoof | but also no account configuration stuff (anymore) |
| 10:37.21 | pvanhoof | they are replacing this with something more generic I think |
| 10:37.48 | pvanhoof | florian, but you don't have any info on that planned meeting? |
| 10:37.59 | florian | pvanhoof: ah right |
| 10:38.12 | florian | pvanhoof: no, but i can ask later |
| 10:38.16 | pvanhoof | ok |
| 10:38.55 | pvanhoof | I moved the summary model from using glist to gptrarray |
| 10:39.03 | pvanhoof | it now sorts very fast on large folders too, Fletch |
| 10:39.05 | pvanhoof | err florian |
| 10:39.06 | pvanhoof | :) |
| 10:39.16 | pvanhoof | sorry Fletch , for waking you up |
| 10:39.23 | florian | :-) |
| 10:39.39 | florian | pvanhoof: that's cool, fast sorting rocks |
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| 10:39.53 | pvanhoof | I still have one or two reeaaally strange race conditions in case a huge amount if IDLE events happen |
| 10:40.04 | pvanhoof | like removals and additions |
| 10:40.18 | pvanhoof | it's reproducable only if you use mailsync on huge folders :) |
| 10:40.38 | hrw | huge is 3000 or 30000 or 300000? |
| 10:40.38 | pvanhoof | I also have incrementally filling the view while downloading is taking place working |
| 10:40.42 | pvanhoof | 30000 |
| 10:41.00 | pvanhoof | but atm that is done as a hack, but the mailsync stuff (race) might happen in that case too |
| 10:41.14 | pvanhoof | as it's happening in the model and view code |
| 10:41.31 | pvanhoof | (it would reuse the same infrastructure) |
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| 10:42.03 | pvanhoof | however, incrementally filling would be useless because there's only one connection supported atm |
| 10:42.09 | pvanhoof | so you would see it being filled up |
| 10:42.25 | pvanhoof | but starting to use the imap server for something else would have to wait on a lock |
| 10:42.41 | pvanhoof | so I basically have to enable a second connection too |
| 10:42.54 | pvanhoof | maybe something some kernel concepts guys want to take a look at, florian ? :D |
| 10:43.26 | pvanhoof | However, all that is short term planning |
| 10:43.53 | pvanhoof | long term, a filtering infrastructure, one implementation for sieve and one for .mailfilter on the imap server |
| 10:43.59 | pvanhoof | etc etc, a lot :) |
| 10:44.04 | Readon | rwhitby, actually it won't |
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| 10:54.28 | balrog-kun | does anybody remember name of a package that has fig2dev on their system? |
| 10:56.22 | balrog-kun | oh "transfig", it's listed in the wiki |
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| 11:06.47 | hrw | my Neo is in Poznań ;) |
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| 11:08.46 | aevin | so there's a L.A.S.E.R. in the stylus ? and a ballpoint pen? |
| 11:09.00 | bluelightning | aevin: and a white LED light too |
| 11:09.12 | ynezz | aevin: FM radio and DVB-T also |
| 11:09.23 | bluelightning | ynezz: haha |
| 11:09.27 | guaqua | dvb-c once again left out :( |
| 11:10.09 | aevin | ynezz: no V8 then? |
| 11:10.37 | buz | i'm 99% sure the stylus is this http://cgi.ebay.com/4in1-PDA-Stylus-LED-Light-Torch-Laser-Pointer-Pen-h7_W0QQitemZ280089656134QQihZ018QQcategoryZ48677QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 11:11.19 | bluelightning | buz: definitely looks like it |
| 11:11.45 | buz | i wonder if you can replace the ink for the pen? |
| 11:12.09 | aevin | and charge it over usb |
| 11:12.33 | bluelightning | buz: yes, it's a little metal insert |
| 11:12.50 | inz | aevin, it should be chargeable over BT! |
| 11:12.56 | buz | remains the question just where you could get replacements |
| 11:13.23 | aevin | inz: yeah! ;-) |
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| 11:13.35 | bluelightning | rwhitby: a bit of careful glue padding in the end of the pen would probably fix that |
| 11:17.28 | buz | somehow i doubt glue works very well on moving pens ;) |
| 11:21.07 | CoreDump|afk | rwhitby: you should give feedback about the less-than-ideal stylus. It is a cheap item to replace ;) |
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| 11:21.28 | buz | i still think stylus should live inside the phone |
| 11:21.58 | CoreDump|afk | buz: well, In a perfect world yeah =) |
| 11:21.58 | ynezz | yep |
| 11:21.59 | rwhitby | CoreDump|afk: I don't really want to be seen to be complaining in the first 24 hours ;-) |
| 11:22.23 | CoreDump|afk | rwhitby: we got the phones partly to give constructive feedback ;) |
| 11:23.53 | CoreDump|afk | ~lart DHL for beeing so damn slow |
| 11:24.02 | CoreDump|afk | ~botsnack |
| 11:24.02 | apt | CoreDump|afk: thanks |
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| 11:25.50 | buz | dhl once managed to put no less than 5 typos in my address |
| 11:25.56 | buz | yet still delivered the package |
| 11:26.00 | CoreDump|afk | buz: =D |
| 11:26.04 | ynezz | thanks to barcode |
| 11:26.30 | hrw | courier took package |
| 11:26.50 | buz | i think thanks to humans being able to still parse broken addresses |
| 11:27.29 | buz | (i know the original address was correct, the shipping documents had it on it) |
| 11:27.47 | hrw | I do not give proper address outside Poland. always strip national chars from it |
| 11:27.55 | buz | ah well i do that too |
| 11:28.04 | ynezz | for fun |
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| 11:29.54 | guaqua | hrw: same for me in finland. that stray ä is impossible to comprehend for the systems |
| 11:29.56 | rwhitby | dhl today made me go all the way to the airport to find out that the parcel actually did make it onto the last courier run >:-| |
| 11:30.06 | Stephmw | bah |
| 11:31.24 | newmedian | At least they didn't stab you with huge brokerage fees by designating a broker without your consent, like DHL does in Canada. |
| 11:33.19 | Stephmw | I've had couriers leave parcels that *required* a signature tucked away next to my bin... in front of my house |
| 11:33.36 | Stephmw | ... my answer to that, no signature? it never arrived. |
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| 11:33.37 | CoreDump|afk | =) |
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| 11:35.51 | CoreDump|afk | NEO TIME =D |
| 11:36.10 | newmedian | Can't touch this. |
| 11:39.44 | CoreDump|afk | hmmm I got the flexible cable bot no debug board :) |
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| 11:40.15 | stefan_schmidt | CoreDump|afk: Look again. fluffs was hidden |
| 11:40.48 | CoreDump|afk | ohhhh |
| 11:40.58 | rwhitby | in the pouch |
| 11:41.10 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 11:41.10 | CoreDump|afk | indeed :) |
| 11:41.33 | rwhitby | poor dwery didn't get a debug board with his neo, and he's the kernel RTC subsystem maintainer :-( |
| 11:42.05 | stefan_schmidt | oh |
| 11:42.13 | alphaone | I will have to get the cool case. I wonder if they sell it separately. |
| 11:42.27 | alphaone | Sad :-( |
| 11:42.29 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: which case? |
| 11:42.49 | alphaone | Openmoko bomb squad |
| 11:42.51 | rwhitby | (dwery == Alessandro Zummo) |
| 11:43.05 | CoreDump|afk | the case looks and feels very nice |
| 11:43.14 | newmedian | Don't take it to Boston ;) |
| 11:43.21 | alphaone | Heh :-) |
| 11:43.47 | alphaone | newmedian: Nah, as long as I don't have LEDs on it I should be fine :-) |
| 11:44.13 | stefan_schmidt | rwhitby: If he feels he need one he could ask to get one with the working phone. |
| 11:44.37 | Psi | is there a website where everyones posting pics of there p0 neos? |
| 11:45.16 | CoreDump|afk | btw, SN #153 ;) |
| 11:45.30 | stefan_schmidt | CoreDump|afk: sweet |
| 11:46.49 | rwhitby | Psi: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/ shows mine. |
| 11:48.04 | Psi | the text on that screen looks nice and small |
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| 11:48.21 | hrw | Psi: it does |
| 11:48.56 | Psi | i have an application planned and with the phone able to display that many lines if will make my app work better |
| 11:49.03 | Psi | if=it |
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| 11:49.52 | hrw | Psi: it has VGA in portrait |
| 11:50.02 | Psi | yeah |
| 11:50.30 | CoreDump|afk | jesus |
| 11:50.34 | Psi | i dont think we really grasp what vga on a screen that small really looks like |
| 11:50.36 | CoreDump|afk | best - screen - ever |
| 11:50.42 | Psi | well. atleast.. until now :P |
| 11:51.08 | CoreDump|afk | it's unbelievable and I'm used to goot PDA screens |
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| 11:56.08 | hrw | CoreDump|afk: ;D |
| 11:56.09 | Ycros | My Zaurus C3000 has a vga screen |
| 11:56.18 | hrw | Ycros: shitty vga screen |
| 11:56.35 | CoreDump|afk | Ycros: the C3000's screen is however like two-times larger than the noes |
| 11:57.09 | hrw | Ycros: zaurus sl-6000 has best Zaurus screen |
| 11:57.10 | Ycros | CoreDump|afk: ah. |
| 11:57.12 | Ycros | hrw: fair enough |
| 11:57.19 | Ycros | I'm still quite impressed by it |
| 11:57.31 | hrw | Ycros: its same screen as in c700 line |
| 11:57.43 | CoreDump|afk | Ycros: indeed. The clamshell zauruses and the 6000 have very goog screens |
| 11:58.15 | CoreDump|afk | Bus 002 Device 029: ID 0525:a4a2 Netchip Technology, Inc. Linux-USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadget |
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| 11:59.54 | CoreDump|afk | my co-workes will have a damn hard time wiping _that_ grin out of my face today =) |
| 11:59.57 | koen | Psi: at flickr |
| 12:00.16 | Psi | huh? |
| 12:00.32 | rwhitby | phase0 photos |
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| 12:02.58 | CoreDump|afk | root@fic-gta01:~ =D |
| 12:05.11 | balrog-kun | the default splash in devirginator is cute :) |
| 12:10.46 | xkr47 | CoreDump|afk, :) |
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| 12:31.50 | hrw | NEO! |
| 12:32.02 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:32.16 | xkr47 | 1973! |
| 12:33.00 | xkr47 | hrw, good luck with the red pill :) |
| 12:33.09 | ynezz | dmesg anyone? :) |
| 12:33.59 | ynezz | it isn't on wiki either, so it might be ok to put it for example under kernel topic |
| 12:34.03 | SpeedEvil | Is it an white pill with orange stripe, or a black and silver pill :) |
| 12:34.12 | hrw | black of course |
| 12:34.14 | guaqua | yeah, dmesg :) |
| 12:34.21 | xkr47 | "the silver lining" |
| 12:34.30 | SpeedEvil | [[Wishlist:Neo1973 P0 Review]] |
| 12:34.53 | SpeedEvil | Assorted reviews and desires for information from new owners. |
| 12:35.14 | ynezz | ok :) |
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| 12:35.41 | SpeedEvil | http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/cats_files/shower.jpg is the direct link. |
| 12:35.46 | SpeedEvil | Err, no it's not. |
| 12:36.01 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review |
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| 12:44.51 | hrw | it boots |
| 12:45.42 | hrw | screen is awesome |
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| 12:50.47 | xkr47 | hrw, :) |
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| 12:55.42 | hrw | someone know can I connect via usbnet to neo without debug board? does it has some address defined in image? |
| 12:56.02 | rwhitby | 192.168.0.202 |
| 12:56.05 | hrw | thx |
| 12:56.17 | rwhitby | "ifconfig usb 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0" on the host |
| 12:56.28 | rwhitby | s/usb/usb0/ |
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| 12:59.22 | hrw | rwhitby: added it into phase0 page |
| 13:00.25 | rwhitby | hrw: I then used "iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24" on the host |
| 13:00.37 | rwhitby | with "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" of course |
| 13:00.47 | rwhitby | and "iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT" |
| 13:01.15 | rwhitby | then I just set the address of my dns gateway on the host lan in /etc/resolv.conf on the neo, and i could ping www.google.com from the neo |
| 13:01.47 | rwhitby | got some of the info from http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowToSetUpUsbNetworkingDebian |
| 13:02.24 | koen | yeah |
| 13:02.24 | hrw | ;) |
| 13:02.37 | koen | my hotplug scripts kicked in and did everything automagicalle :) |
| 13:02.43 | koen | automagically* |
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| 13:12.01 | hrw | 1GB microSD is 28 pln (7 eur) |
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| 13:13.45 | hrw | someone enabled bluetooth? |
| 13:14.17 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1260 10/trunk/oe/conf/site.conf: enable DEBUG_BUILD to get line number information into the -dbg packages |
| 13:15.10 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1261 10/trunk/oe/packages/ (5 files in 4 dirs): use STAGING_BINDIR_NATIVE where apropriate |
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| 13:18.28 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r45 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Added the push-openembedded target for those with commit access. |
| 13:18.32 | LaF0rge | koen: please feel free to put the hotplug scripts somewhere public and add instructions to the wiki or point to some instructions about it. |
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| 13:20.42 | hrw | LaF0rge: how to turn BT on? instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kernel are very enigmatic |
| 13:20.57 | koen | LaF0rge: the scripts are in the debian docs for /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:21.07 | koen | LaF0rge: some searching on the internet can't hurt for most people |
| 13:22.23 | noidd | Mornin' all. |
| 13:22.29 | noidd | Out for delivery |
| 13:22.48 | noidd | This is going to be a hard day for me since I'm working this evening at the TV station |
| 13:22.58 | noidd | going to take all my self control to actually show up |
| 13:23.33 | rwhitby | noidd: that's why I set up my neo and debug board at work. at least then I'll show up ... |
| 13:24.55 | XorA | March 07, 2007 10:35 Edinburgh - UK Delivery attempted; recipient not home |
| 13:24.57 | XorA | woowoo |
| 13:25.03 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1262 10/trunk/oe/classes/base.bbclass: (log message trimmed) |
| 13:25.03 | CIA-7 | openmoko: This is the first attempt of our new 'dynamically pull svn revision number into |
| 13:25.03 | CIA-7 | openmoko: PR to make sure packages only get rebuilt if upstream source has changed' method. |
| 13:25.03 | CIA-7 | openmoko: In order to use this feature, you will need to have a patched bitbake version, |
| 13:25.03 | CIA-7 | openmoko: a patch against bitbake-1.6.6 can be found at |
| 13:25.06 | CIA-7 | openmoko: http://people.openmoko.org/henryk/bitbake-1.6.6-om2.patch |
| 13:25.08 | CIA-7 | openmoko: The changes to base.bbclass that I'm committing now will safely fall back to |
| 13:25.21 | noidd | heh |
| 13:25.43 | noidd | XorA: now you have to track down your local DHL office and call them immediately |
| 13:25.55 | XorA | noidd: luckilly the DHL office is on my way to work |
| 13:25.58 | noidd | seriously, or you'll end up playing tag with them |
| 13:26.18 | noidd | XorA: Make sure they have it pulled out for you to pickup tho |
| 13:26.34 | XorA | noidd: Edin depot has a seperate building for customer pickup |
| 13:26.49 | noidd | They may attempt re-delivery tomorrow instead of holding it for you which means it will be locked up in the back of a truck. |
| 13:27.03 | noidd | Just worried for you :-) |
| 13:27.08 | XorA | noidd: not normally how it works in the UK |
| 13:28.07 | noidd | XorA: depends on the company I guess. I've been out of the UK for 3 years now (I'm a brit ex-pat in the US) |
| 13:28.14 | XorA | noidd: I shall be playing ADND tomorrow night anyway so no time to work with it anyway |
| 13:28.15 | noidd | o' |
| 13:28.18 | noidd | ol |
| 13:28.31 | noidd | ol' Tony said "If you don't like the tax system then move" |
| 13:28.34 | noidd | so I did. |
| 13:28.40 | XorA | :_D |
| 13:28.44 | balrog-kun | in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks last paragraph, 6. should probably say 'write.jffs2' rather than 'write.e' |
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| 13:28.56 | XorA | noidd: I prefer to be a little away from Guantanimo |
| 13:29.22 | balrog-kun | i checked that it doesn't boot after write.e and does boot after write.jffs2 |
| 13:29.33 | Robot101 | I don't like the government gradually eroding civil liberties, but when I get fed up with that I certainly won't move to the US... :P |
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| 13:30.17 | XorA | Robot101: scotland might declate idependance and throw a spanner in the works :-) |
| 13:30.36 | balrog-kun | well, i'm gonna change it |
| 13:32.08 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r46 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ (dfu-util-native.patch series): Removed dfu-util-native patch - applied upstream |
| 13:33.04 | LaF0rge | balrog: I chose '.e' because that writing has nothing to do with jffs2 |
| 13:33.05 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r47 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Removed modifications to gcc patch and js and samba downloads, as we've moved to openembedded head now |
| 13:33.42 | balrog-kun | LaF0rge: jffs2 puts its markers in the OOB (so it knows if a page is formatted etc) |
| 13:34.03 | balrog-kun | when programming the page u-boot needs to know about it |
| 13:34.24 | LaF0rge | balrog: for rootfs, yes. for kernel, no |
| 13:34.31 | balrog-kun | right |
| 13:34.41 | LaF0rge | balrog: feel free to separate/clarify that in the wiki |
| 13:35.02 | noidd | the US is a contradition - that's for sure. |
| 13:35.05 | hrw | LaF0rge: is there a way to turn BT on? |
| 13:35.32 | rwhitby | hrw: I couldn't find the /sys entry to do it. |
| 13:35.42 | hrw | rwhitby: thats why I ask |
| 13:35.58 | rwhitby | hrw: and your bt pm module is loaded, right? |
| 13:36.04 | hrw | yes |
| 13:36.14 | rwhitby | phew, it wasn't just me then :-) |
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| 13:39.57 | balrog-kun | can you see the clock on the top panel? it's either invisible or black font on black background here |
| 13:40.50 | balrog-kun | some easy way to exit "Panel Manager" would be good :) |
| 13:44.04 | hrw | balrog-kun: press up/down button and it will die |
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| 13:45.04 | balrog-kun | heh |
| 13:45.28 | balrog-kun | hrw: it's not dying :-( |
| 13:45.34 | hrw | balrog-kun: dies here |
| 13:46.24 | hrw | balrog-kun: your name is patrick (like in ircname) or andrzej? |
| 13:46.45 | balrog-kun | hrw: andrzej is my real name |
| 13:47.04 | hrw | balrog-kun: chciałem się upewnić ;D |
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| 13:48.01 | balrog-kun | :-) |
| 13:48.01 | twiz__ | helo |
| 13:48.02 | hrw | balrog-kun: will be on pingwinaria? |
| 13:48.02 | Ycros | damn, the Ä™ isn't rendering for me |
| 13:48.02 | Ycros | must be my font |
| 13:49.16 | balrog-kun | hrw: i'm affraid nope - too busy at the moment |
| 13:49.17 | Ycros | there we go, better font |
| 13:49.22 | hrw | balrog-kun: ok |
| 13:52.03 | balrog-kun | it looks like they charge money for taking part |
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| 13:52.04 | hrw | mc from OZ works on neo ;D |
| 13:55.26 | aloril2 | if there is no link from Wishlist:P0_Review to Neo1973_somethin_Phase_0_recipient (or something like that, linked from Main_Page): can somebody add it? (its a bit problematic to add with this device at the moment) |
| 13:55.54 | LaF0rge | hrw/rwhitby: root@fic-gta01:/sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/gta01-pm-bt.0$ |
| 13:55.56 | alphaone | NEO! |
| 13:56.04 | hrw | LaF0rge: thx |
| 13:56.13 | LaF0rge | hrw: you don't have that? |
| 13:56.20 | LaF0rge | ah yes, the path has changed |
| 13:56.22 | Elrond | LaF0rge - Hi. |
| 13:56.22 | alphaone | And a friend is here starting to compose ringtones |
| 13:56.51 | LaF0rge | ao2: cool! |
| 13:56.55 | aevin | tell him to make "The Neo Ringtone" |
| 13:57.31 | alphaone | aevin: Which one is that? |
| 13:58.05 | aevin | alphaone: it's that cool one. he may decide how ;-) |
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| 13:58.34 | hrw | LaF0rge: fixed in wiki |
| 14:01.09 | alphaone | wansti: You are supposed to make "The Neo Ringtone". The cool one. :-) |
| 14:01.40 | hrw | now time to learn 'cu' |
| 14:02.08 | wansti | i'm on nit :-) |
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| 14:02.40 | LaF0rge | hrw: fixed with nicer path name now |
| 14:02.45 | alphaone | balrog-kun: You found a heisenbug :-) |
| 14:03.51 | hrw | thx |
| 14:04.00 | koen | ok, gsm, gps and bt powered on |
| 14:04.13 | koen | still no sim card inside |
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| 14:04.52 | hrw | koen: you have angstrom image? |
| 14:05.12 | koen | yes |
| 14:05.28 | koen | I don't want to stinking softfpa ;) |
| 14:05.38 | hrw | koen: available on net? |
| 14:05.49 | koen | yes |
| 14:05.59 | koen | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20070305/fic-gta01/ |
| 14:06.22 | koen | you need to do s:arm:armv4t: in /etc/ipkg/*feed.conf |
| 14:06.49 | hrw | ok |
| 14:06.55 | Elrond | koen - So you don't have any gpsd-with-GL-module yet? |
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| 14:09.46 | Shoragan | hmm, how do i configure alsamixer to enable the speakers? |
| 14:10.14 | koen | Elrond: no, no gpsd |
| 14:10.24 | LaF0rge | shoragan: use alsactl with the examples in /etc/alsa |
| 14:10.29 | Shoragan | ok |
| 14:10.54 | SpeedEvil | koen: is there anything to talk to the GPS at all - the old agpsd? |
| 14:11.02 | LaF0rge | shoragan: or try to go through all permutations of possible settings *g* |
| 14:11.09 | koen | SpeedEvil: not in my image |
| 14:11.15 | Shoragan | hmm |
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| 14:11.22 | Shoragan | cominatoric explosion |
| 14:11.31 | LaF0rge | no, there is nothing for gps yet |
| 14:11.36 | Elrond | LaF0rge - Will you sometime look at my mail ( http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2007-February/000000.html ) ? |
| 14:11.49 | LaF0rge | we're still amidst a freedom fight with GL |
| 14:12.18 | dwery | got my phase0... |
| 14:12.27 | dwery | now I'm going to have some fun ;) |
| 14:12.37 | SpeedEvil | I assume the GPSd 'plugin' is some sort of seperate binary program that talks to gpsd over a pipe or something. Rather than linked in, with all the GPL requirements. |
| 14:12.49 | alphaone | dwery: for i in $(seq 3900 -10 0); do echo $i > /sys/class/backlight/gta01-bl/brightness; done; for i in $(seq 0 10 3900); do echo $i > /sys/class/backlight/gta01-bl/brightness; done |
| 14:13.01 | alphaone | :-) |
| 14:13.03 | SpeedEvil | Or does GPSd have libs... Anyway, pretty irrelevant. |
| 14:13.06 | dwery | alphaone: :- |
| 14:13.06 | dwery | D |
| 14:13.08 | dwery | :-D |
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| 14:13.19 | dwery | let me get a console and I'll try it |
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| 14:13.44 | aevin | has this URL been pasted here before? http://www.ministryoftech.com/2007/03/05/the-5-hottest-phones-for-linux-fanatics/ |
| 14:13.56 | SpeedEvil | IIRC, yes. |
| 14:14.02 | aevin | guess what device which is #1 ;) |
| 14:14.12 | Elrond | aevin - Put the URL in the wiki. |
| 14:14.19 | aevin | Elrond: okay, will do. |
| 14:14.36 | Elrond | ... if you consider with worthwhile. |
| 14:15.35 | SpeedEvil | I was thinking of 'eight great linux smartphones' |
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| 14:19.21 | tuxmaniac | Hey guys, has there been announcement with respect to placement of order for the next phase? For other developers? |
| 14:20.01 | LaF0rge | tuxmaniac: as soon as there is something that you could order |
| 14:20.12 | LaF0rge | or rather, something that we can give you in return for an order ;) |
| 14:20.36 | tuxmaniac | LaF0rge, heh. Was just checking your post :-) |
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| 14:20.47 | Stephmw | LaF0rge: you can always send out a postcard with "IOU 1xNeo1973" |
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| 14:25.27 | Elrond | Hi koen|neo ! |
| 14:25.28 | SpeedEvil | Personally I'd find a 'hardware hackers dev kit' interesting. Just the case, plastics, and a pad diagram for the I2C/... bits. |
| 14:25.32 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:26.05 | koen|neo | irssi and screen work |
| 14:26.09 | SpeedEvil | VERSION reply from koen|neo: irssi v0.8.10 - running on Linux armv4tl |
| 14:26.10 | tuxmaniac | Hallo koen |
| 14:26.15 | koen|neo | not that I had expected anything else :) |
| 14:26.17 | Elrond | CTCP VERSION reply from koen|neo: irssi v0.8.10 - running on Linux armv4tl |
| 14:26.37 | Elrond | Huh, SpeedEvil was faster. ;) |
| 14:26.47 | hrw | http://flickr.com/photos/hrwandil/413643600/ - nokia6210, neo1973, SE k750i |
| 14:27.31 | koen | http://flickr.com/photos/tags/neo1973/ |
| 14:30.20 | alphaone | scp via SSH to the SD card is running with 300kb/s |
| 14:31.07 | noidd | a friend of mine is a full-time composer |
| 14:31.19 | noidd | I should try and get him to put together a ringtone ;-) |
| 14:31.58 | SpeedEvil | alphaone :) |
| 14:32.11 | SpeedEvil | hrw - linked to on wiki. |
| 14:34.12 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review#Hardware - which has some impressions, and requests for phone information. |
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| 14:35.59 | Elrond | koen - Can you fix the wrong tags for these: http://flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/tags/neo1937/ (37 -> 73) |
| 14:36.22 | dwery | alphaone: it works ;) |
| 14:36.52 | koen | Elrond: done, thanks for spotting the typo |
| 14:37.22 | dwery | too much output in the rtc driver.. I'll have to fix it ;) |
| 14:43.32 | dwery | is there any quick start guide I should follow? |
| 14:43.43 | alphaone | dwery: Yeah :-) |
| 14:43.58 | noidd | fwiw, if I end up with a debug board in my package today I'll send it to dwery :-) |
| 14:44.28 | noidd | I doubt I will since I'm an OS layer guy but just in case. |
| 14:44.33 | dwery | noidd: thanks!!! :) |
| 14:44.39 | Elrond | koen - can you run "cu" or your favorite uart-tool against the gps some time? |
| 14:44.50 | dwery | alphaone: and you know where that guide is, right? :-D |
| 14:44.53 | noidd | s/OS/Userspace/ |
| 14:44.54 | SpeedEvil | AIUI - the GPS will not put out output until it's turned on. |
| 14:45.24 | SpeedEvil | And how to turn it on is probably something only agpsd, or the gpsd plugin that's not been released knows. |
| 14:45.31 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - koen turned it on earlier, I think. |
| 14:45.36 | SpeedEvil | Oh. |
| 14:45.47 | noidd | hmm, "I doubt I will since I'm a userspace guy". or "I doubt I will since I'm an userspace guy". |
| 14:45.58 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Turning on is documented in the kernel. ;) |
| 14:46.06 | noidd | my third grade grammer tells me the latter but my brain protests the former is correct |
| 14:46.08 | SpeedEvil | Including bitrates? |
| 14:46.27 | SpeedEvil | Is it an SPI, or serial thing? |
| 14:46.29 | SpeedEvil | rs232 |
| 14:46.43 | alphaone | dwery: What guide? |
| 14:46.47 | SpeedEvil | If it's SPI, it'll probably need some setup. |
| 14:46.51 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - rs232. So we don't know the bitrate. But aren't uarts clever enough to guess them these days? |
| 14:46.58 | dwery | alphaone: a quick start guide for beginners :-D |
| 14:47.00 | dwery | eheh |
| 14:47.35 | koen | koen@fic-gta01:~$ cu -l /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 14:47.35 | koen | Connected. |
| 14:47.38 | koen | and then.... |
| 14:47.41 | koen | ... nothing :( |
| 14:47.48 | SpeedEvil | type random stuff |
| 14:47.49 | alphaone | dwery: Don't know really. I jsut start exploring |
| 14:47.58 | dwery | me too |
| 14:48.02 | alphaone | koen: Where? In th ebootloader? |
| 14:48.13 | SpeedEvil | Oh well. |
| 14:48.18 | koen | alphaone: no, userspace |
| 14:48.44 | alphaone | koen: Shouldn't userspace be ethernet gadget? |
| 14:50.04 | koen | alphaone: ? |
| 14:50.17 | Elrond | alphaone - koen is playing _on_ the neo. :) |
| 14:50.22 | koen | ttySAC1 is the uart connected to the gps |
| 14:50.28 | alphaone | ah, sorry |
| 14:51.05 | dwery | btw that black/gray pattern is very cool |
| 14:51.16 | dwery | the plastics looks good |
| 14:51.22 | SpeedEvil | Ah - and there was me thinking that it was his private line to Strategic Air Command :) |
| 14:51.57 | dwery | echo 1 >/sys/class/sac/nuclear_device/launch |
| 14:51.59 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - *lol* :-) |
| 14:52.46 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Any idea, if the UARTs are smart enough to guess the speed on their own? |
| 14:52.53 | SpeedEvil | I doubt it. |
| 14:53.05 | SpeedEvil | I've not read up on the protocol. |
| 14:53.31 | SpeedEvil | s/protocol/uart on the SC*/ |
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| 14:57.28 | Elrond | I'd guess for 9600, 8n1. But that's me. Or maybe even 4800. |
| 14:58.02 | dwery | is the shipped microSD card supposed to contain anything? |
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| 14:58.27 | dwery | btw NMEA is usually 4800 8N1 |
| 14:58.31 | SpeedEvil | It may be faster than that - I'm unsure. It depends how 'dumb' the chip is. |
| 14:58.34 | SpeedEvil | It's not NMEA |
| 14:58.43 | SpeedEvil | the chip is _much_ too dumb to output NMEA. |
| 14:58.44 | dwery | right ;) |
| 14:59.20 | SpeedEvil | AIUI, we get satellite dopplers out of it, and the 50bps datastream each bird is sending, maybe with signal strength data. |
| 14:59.34 | dwery | eeeeek. |
| 14:59.47 | SpeedEvil | And the relative timings of these. |
| 14:59.52 | hrw | koen|neo: for both ttySAC* I get 'line is in use' when try to cu to them |
| 15:00.07 | dwery | hrw: I guess is a see you fault |
| 15:00.21 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: comment out in inittab |
| 15:00.25 | dwery | damn spell checker |
| 15:00.33 | dwery | see you -> c u |
| 15:00.56 | dwery | only SAC0 is used in inittab |
| 15:01.10 | SpeedEvil | fuser /dev/ttySA* ? |
| 15:02.01 | LaF0rge | hrw: chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttySAC* |
| 15:02.09 | alphaone | dwery: No, it's preformatted with fat but the Neo doesn't seem to support fat :-) |
| 15:02.17 | alphaone | You have to mke2fs |
| 15:02.32 | dwery | alphaone: if is empty I'll reformat in ext2 |
| 15:03.14 | SpeedEvil | read/write speeds with dd'd be nice. |
| 15:04.20 | dwery | just tried dd.. it seems the Neo did not liked it :) |
| 15:04.21 | hrw | LaF0rge: thx |
| 15:04.36 | alphaone | SpeedEvil: Neo seems to crash if you copy too much data |
| 15:04.45 | Shoragan | dwery, mine crashed while writing 50mb to sd |
| 15:04.47 | dwery | alphaone: now I know :) |
| 15:04.49 | LaF0rge | cu is horribly baroque with its paths and permissions |
| 15:04.51 | alphaone | :-) |
| 15:05.07 | LaF0rge | shoragan: was the FPC connected at that time? |
| 15:05.22 | dwery | LaF0rge: do you have a decent substitute for cu? I'm searching for one since the old Term on Amiga OS days |
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| 15:05.33 | Shoragan | LaF0rge, no, just usbnet |
| 15:05.53 | hrw | dwery: minicom? |
| 15:05.57 | LaF0rge | shoragan: ok, then that's our long-haunted 'kernel oops when doing lots of io' which I haven't seen in 2.6.20 so far |
| 15:06.04 | LaF0rge | shoragan: report to bugzilla |
| 15:06.11 | LaF0rge | minicom is just bah |
| 15:06.20 | LaF0rge | cu is fine if it wasn't for the permissions |
| 15:06.31 | dwery | I find minicom as bad as c u. :( |
| 15:06.32 | LaF0rge | I don't want to go through tons of config menus like minicom |
| 15:07.03 | Elrond | There once was some tinycom or so. |
| 15:08.08 | alphaone | How about screen? |
| 15:08.28 | hrw | I have to go now |
| 15:08.41 | alphaone | Would be nice to have that anyway :-) |
| 15:09.13 | Elrond | alphaone - screen can set baudrate, etc.? |
| 15:09.48 | alphaone | Elrond: Yes. screen /dev/ttyfoo 115200 |
| 15:10.24 | Elrond | Ohh, okay. |
| 15:10.25 | LaF0rge | alphaone: can it also set hardware and/or software flow control? |
| 15:11.35 | alphaone | LaF0rge: -f, -fn, and -fa |
| 15:11.35 | alphaone | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.54 | SpeedEvil | minicom is just ctrl-a o |
| 15:11.54 | SpeedEvil | and then the easy list |
| 15:12.01 | SpeedEvil | serial port setup |
| 15:12.23 | alphaone | Don't know whether hw or sw |
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| 15:16.09 | alphaone | How do I quit cu? |
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| 15:16.47 | SpeedEvil | ctrl-d? |
| 15:19.07 | don-o | i wish the openmoko makefile didnt rebuild libc, etc when the target and host are the same platform |
| 15:22.01 | Shoragan | http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/ |
| 15:22.32 | noidd | use kermit instead of cu or minicom |
| 15:22.42 | noidd | s/use/I use/ |
| 15:23.15 | noidd | man, that s/// function is addictive ;-) |
| 15:23.24 | LaF0rge | alphaone: enter, ~ [wait until something appears] . |
| 15:24.08 | Stephmw | noidd: aye, shame it only applies to your own comments... I could see a whole new class of mischief closed before it had a change to bloom |
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| 15:24.21 | alphaone | LaF0rge: Thanks |
| 15:24.39 | dwery | LaF0rge: I see hwmon is not used, right? |
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| 15:30.22 | Elrond | Can the neo be told to only charge at 100mA, despite 500 being availbale on the host? (Or is there an easy way to say my host not to give more then say 200mA to the neo?) |
| 15:31.20 | noidd | Stephmw: hehe, aye |
| 15:31.37 | noidd | Elrond: according to the wiki - yes |
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| 15:33.17 | Elrond | noidd - Huh, where's that on the wiki? |
| 15:33.33 | alphaone | LaF0rge: Does the SIM card holder still have connection problems? |
| 15:33.58 | Elrond | alphaone - Try it? ;) |
| 15:34.33 | alphaone | Elrond: Connecting to ttySAC0 works but I get ERROR ERROR ERROR OK all the time... |
| 15:34.41 | alphaone | without typing anything |
| 15:35.03 | Elrond | alphaone - Is you neo near a window? ;) |
| 15:35.37 | Elrond | in-door gps is mostly a rumour. ;) |
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| 15:36.07 | alphaone | Elrond: I usually have good connection here. The AT interface should work despite crappy signal, though |
| 15:36.40 | Elrond | alphaone - Huh, SAC0 .... the gsm. .. I mixed that up with the gps. ;) |
| 15:36.52 | dwery | :) |
| 15:36.55 | alphaone | Elrond: Ah, okay |
| 15:37.19 | Elrond | alphaone - Yes, the AT set should work even without a sim. |
| 15:38.22 | Elrond | alphaone - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands |
| 15:38.26 | alphaone | Elrond: That was why I was asking |
| 15:38.37 | Elrond | So AT+CLAC should give a fat list. ;) |
| 15:38.39 | alphaone | Elrond: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM |
| 15:39.32 | noidd | Elrond: lemme see if I can find it for you |
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| 15:41.28 | LaF0rge | alphaone: sounds like you are still having the kernel console output to ttySAC0 |
| 15:41.35 | noidd | Elrond: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot |
| 15:41.42 | SpeedEvil | On USB. |
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| 15:41.49 | noidd | search in the page for "neo1973 charger fast" |
| 15:41.52 | LaF0rge | alphaone: so the GSM might respond with ERROR to kernel messages |
| 15:42.03 | SpeedEvil | There is no way that the host directly current limits the outputs of the ports to 200ma. |
| 15:42.15 | SpeedEvil | It can't do this without breaking the USB spec. |
| 15:42.15 | LaF0rge | speed:? |
| 15:42.23 | alphaone | LaF0rge: Ah, thanks. I just removed the gettys. I should change that in the bootloader, right? |
| 15:42.35 | SpeedEvil | The only thing it can do its to turn off the power of a device exceeding available power. |
| 15:42.40 | LaF0rge | alpha: no, 'dmesg -n1' should help mostly |
| 15:42.46 | PBeck | hi |
| 15:42.48 | LaF0rge | alpha: you can also somehow detach, but I forgot how |
| 15:43.04 | noidd | Elrond: lemme know if you can't find it |
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| 15:43.24 | alphaone | LaF0rge: k, thanks |
| 15:43.25 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - I've read, that devices have to ask for current before using it. And they would ask in amnounts of 100mA. So the host could say "yes" for the first two "Give me 100 more" and then no. |
| 15:43.38 | SpeedEvil | Devices _should_ ask for current before using it. |
| 15:43.40 | SpeedEvil | Not all do. |
| 15:43.44 | Elrond | noidd - I know the u-boot commands. Wondering for linux/userspace. |
| 15:43.49 | LaF0rge | elrond: no, you're misreading the usb spec |
| 15:44.01 | LaF0rge | nobody is asking |
| 15:44.03 | SpeedEvil | The only sanction if the device uses more than it requests is to turn it off though. |
| 15:44.04 | LaF0rge | GNAH |
| 15:44.18 | LaF0rge | the host unilaterally tells the devices implicitly by SET_CONFIGURATION |
| 15:44.37 | LaF0rge | so a device can export the current requirements for each configuration in its config descriptor |
| 15:44.44 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - the device can have multiple configurations in different power states. |
| 15:44.57 | LaF0rge | and if the host issues SET_CONFIGURATION it has varified that the current doesn't exceed whatever it can provide at that given port |
| 15:45.02 | SpeedEvil | For example, a camera might work as mass storage at 100mA, but a camera at 500mA. |
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| 15:45.42 | jeddy3 | counter |
| 15:45.42 | aloril | P0: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/412593301/ P1: 3 weeks, 3 days 20:14:17 (24.843 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (493) |
| 15:46.06 | dwery | ok, AT commands are working here |
| 15:46.12 | SpeedEvil | If the host can't provide 500mA, then it only issues the mass-storage configuration. |
| 15:46.53 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Ahhh. :) |
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| 15:47.22 | SpeedEvil | Of course, then you get stuff like 'Nokia Charger, $1' - which has one resistor as the whole component count. |
| 15:47.51 | SpeedEvil | If you plug that in, and the host can't cope with it, the bus resets or powers down. |
| 15:48.03 | SpeedEvil | Or goes into wierd states. |
| 15:48.15 | Elrond | Oh, you mean like usb coffee warmers. ;o) |
| 15:48.21 | alphaone | It's ringing :-) |
| 15:48.33 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 15:48.41 | Elrond | alphaone - You did ATD? :) |
| 15:50.06 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Can one change the way linux does the "set_config"? |
| 15:50.23 | alphaone | Elrond: Yeah |
| 15:50.26 | alphaone | But no sound |
| 15:50.34 | Elrond | alphaone - You have to set the mixer. |
| 15:50.47 | alphaone | Elrond: alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state restor |
| 15:50.49 | alphaone | e |
| 15:51.19 | Elrond | Does that open the pass through from mic to gsm and from gsm to speakers? |
| 15:52.16 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: I don't _think_ so. - directly. You'd need to hack on the USB driver. |
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| 15:52.25 | SpeedEvil | It's _usually_ the wrong thing to do. |
| 15:53.49 | Elrond | Hmm. |
| 15:53.58 | LaF0rge | elrond: why would yo uwant to do any of that? |
| 15:54.12 | LaF0rge | either the host can supply the power or not |
| 15:54.24 | alphaone | It I switch Neo Mode from off to something else it makes a cliking noise on the other end. |
| 15:54.31 | alphaone | So I could morse :-) |
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| 15:55.21 | Elrond | LaF0rge - I'm considering to slow charge, so to safe battery life. |
| 15:55.40 | SpeedEvil | You can set the neo to only slow charge. |
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| 15:56.01 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - From userspace? I know how to do it from u-boot. |
| 15:56.11 | SpeedEvil | Well - read the source. |
| 15:56.13 | SpeedEvil | In practice. |
| 15:56.22 | SpeedEvil | Batteries are $10 from ebay. |
| 15:56.25 | LaF0rge | elrond: use the pcf50606 sysfs interface |
| 15:57.04 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1263 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Merge in various changes from mainline contacts |
| 15:57.05 | LaF0rge | elrond: or even the lm_sensors i2c tools to reconfigure the PMU registers ;) |
| 15:57.05 | Elrond | Ahh. :-) |
| 15:57.22 | dwery | I see two chips on the bus |
| 15:57.25 | dwery | i2c bus |
| 15:57.43 | dwery | i guess one is the pmu.. but the other? |
| 15:58.39 | dwery | audio |
| 15:58.39 | dwery | ? |
| 15:58.49 | Elrond | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C |
| 15:59.01 | Elrond | dwery - The LM* amplifier and the WM* codec. |
| 15:59.07 | Elrond | dwery - Should be three. |
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| 16:02.12 | dwery | i2cdetect only shows two |
| 16:02.57 | dwery | but there are three in sys/class/i2c.. |
| 16:03.29 | dwery | the third is out of range for i2cdetect ;) |
| 16:04.06 | Elrond | I saw something about invalid adresses somewhere. |
| 16:04.15 | hrw|gone | ok. I'll wait with more neo checking/hacking |
| 16:05.15 | Elrond | dwery - http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/i2c-permit_invalid_addrs.patch?rev=1004&view=auto |
| 16:05.51 | dwery | Elrond: ty |
| 16:06.14 | dwery | will talk to the i2c mnt |
| 16:07.32 | Elrond | dwery - Which device is "ignored" by i2cdetect? |
| 16:07.42 | dwery | the one at the reserver address, 0x7c |
| 16:07.54 | dwery | (obviously) |
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| 16:08.37 | Elrond | Oh, the LM* amplifier. |
| 16:08.46 | dwery | not a big problem |
| 16:08.50 | dwery | I was just curious |
| 16:09.17 | Elrond | I wonder, when adresses >0x77 are reserved... why did they put it at 0x7c? |
| 16:09.43 | LaF0rge | elrond: rumours say to avoid a philips I2C patent |
| 16:09.46 | dwery | sssst, is a secret chip. |
| 16:09.53 | dwery | nobody should know. |
| 16:09.55 | dwery | :-D |
| 16:10.22 | dwery | I wonder if a patent can be avoided by simply changing an address :) |
| 16:11.20 | dwery | o2c mntner is asking me if the chip is maybe one with a 10bit address |
| 16:11.24 | dwery | s/o2c/i2c/ |
| 16:11.45 | LaF0rge | dwery: feel free to read the data sheet :) |
| 16:11.48 | Elrond | So this is fic-*2c, not really i2c. ;o) |
| 16:12.04 | dwery | LaF0rge: I'm just doing that... |
| 16:12.14 | LaF0rge | elrond: how would FIC be able to change the address on the die of some national semiconductor chip? |
| 16:13.03 | LaF0rge | elrond: it's all TWI because I2C is horribly phillips-tradmarked and patended |
| 16:13.24 | Elrond | Ahh. |
| 16:14.12 | LaF0rge | where twi == generic two wire interface, including one implementation called i2c |
| 16:14.40 | SpeedEvil | 1988? |
| 16:14.59 | LaF0rge | speed: be assured that philips will keep re-applying for a patent with slight mdoifications |
| 16:15.16 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. That aspect of patenting is evil. |
| 16:15.28 | LaF0rge | speed: which aspect isn't? |
| 16:15.38 | SpeedEvil | The original intent. |
| 16:15.51 | SpeedEvil | To allow inventors to profit from significantly novel inventions. |
| 16:16.34 | SpeedEvil | The current system, well. I saw a patent a few days ago when searching for information about SAW displays about using a foam-rubber gasket around the display to prevent water ingress. |
| 16:16.52 | SpeedEvil | I mean, that's around the third or fourth thing you'd try. |
| 16:18.30 | SpeedEvil | Ah. ' As of |
| 16:19.20 | SpeedEvil | October 1, 2006, no licensing fees are required to implement the I2C protocol. However, fees are still required in order to obtain I2C slave addresses' |
| 16:19.32 | SpeedEvil | Which presumably explains why it's in the reserved block |
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| 16:20.32 | SpeedEvil | Wiipedia |
| 16:21.06 | dwery | the i2c specs mandates 7 bit addresses |
| 16:21.20 | dwery | because the other bit is R/W |
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| 16:23.18 | SpeedEvil | There is a 10 bit expansion. |
| 16:23.31 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.55 | dwery | yes, but is not implemented in the LM |
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| 16:26.18 | wansti | okay... i got two ringtones and one SMS notification sound... i'll upload them soon |
| 16:27.13 | wansti | still trying to figure out what The Neo Ringtone (The cool one) (TM) is going to sound like :-) |
| 16:27.14 | LaF0rge | wansti: make sure to put proper licensing information to it! |
| 16:27.25 | wansti | sure |
| 16:27.33 | wansti | CC-by-sa okay? |
| 16:27.38 | LaF0rge | yes |
| 16:27.47 | LaF0rge | probably even the most preferred choice |
| 16:27.58 | SpeedEvil | 'By using this ringtone, you license your soul to the OpenMoko project in this, and any future lives.' |
| 16:28.00 | wansti | perfect :-) |
| 16:28.06 | dwery | national did a very bad move with this chip. |
| 16:28.31 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 16:28.40 | hrw|gone | 3957 levels of brightness kills :D |
| 16:28.56 | dwery | it completely violates the i2c specs and so it cannot claim to be i2c compatible |
| 16:29.07 | dwery | s/it/they/ |
| 16:29.11 | dwery | ach! |
| 16:29.13 | dwery | :-D |
| 16:29.14 | LaF0rge | dwery: they never want to do that. welcome to the hardware business world |
| 16:29.24 | LaF0rge | hrw: you want more levels? |
| 16:29.28 | dwery | :( |
| 16:29.40 | LaF0rge | hrw: I think I chose the maximum possible resolution given the PWM constraints we had |
| 16:29.47 | LaF0rge | hrw: ;) |
| 16:29.53 | SpeedEvil | What's the PWM freq? |
| 16:29.59 | dwery | who should I bug to change chip in the next neo phone? :-D |
| 16:30.12 | LaF0rge | speeD: read driver source and component datasheet. it's all there |
| 16:30.16 | SpeedEvil | K. |
| 16:30.34 | SpeedEvil | More seriously - is there a datasheet for the LCM anywhere public? |
| 16:30.39 | LaF0rge | speed: 400hz in our case |
| 16:30.51 | LaF0rge | speeD: you don't need the lcm data sheet for the backlight pwm. |
| 16:30.58 | SpeedEvil | No, I son't. |
| 16:31.22 | SpeedEvil | I'm interested in working out if the LCM can be used in slow mode. |
| 16:31.26 | SpeedEvil | At low refresh rates. |
| 16:31.31 | LaF0rge | no, it cannot |
| 16:31.35 | SpeedEvil | L. |
| 16:31.42 | SpeedEvil | s/L/K/ |
| 16:31.45 | LaF0rge | and no, the vendor will not have public data sheets |
| 16:31.52 | LaF0rge | if it supported slow mode, we were using it ;) |
| 16:32.34 | LaF0rge | qvga support will be in the driver at some point next week |
| 16:32.37 | SpeedEvil | It says it has memory. |
| 16:32.51 | SpeedEvil | Is this actually true - or is it just 'dumb'? |
| 16:33.07 | LaF0rge | speed: there is more than stupid or dump |
| 16:33.11 | SpeedEvil | (on the brief product info page. |
| 16:33.15 | SpeedEvil | Oh I know. |
| 16:33.27 | LaF0rge | I only know it has some programmable logic inside to which we talk spi |
| 16:33.52 | SpeedEvil | Some LCMs are SPI controllable to draw pictures on. |
| 16:34.02 | LaF0rge | I've heared rumours about some cpld |
| 16:34.25 | SpeedEvil | Thanks for info. |
| 16:34.54 | LaF0rge | if you google for jbt6k74 you can find some pdf of the controller manufacturer |
| 16:35.00 | LaF0rge | but that's about all i could find |
| 16:35.21 | hrw|gone | LaF0rge: I think that it is much too much ;) |
| 16:35.37 | LaF0rge | http://www.semicon.toshiba.co.jp/eng/prd/ics/doc/pdf/sce0008d.pdf |
| 16:36.17 | LaF0rge | hrw: mickey assured me that userspace would take care of scaling no matter what i'd export from kernel level, so I thought you can never have enough resolution |
| 16:37.28 | hrw|gone | LaF0rge: good thinking |
| 16:37.48 | Elrond | tihi... using the backlight to transmit data ;) |
| 16:38.00 | hrw | LaF0rge: especially when userspace works in 0-100 range (scalled to proper kernel values) |
| 16:38.12 | SpeedEvil | The jbt* is just a _really_ dumb driver chip. |
| 16:38.24 | SpeedEvil | It cannot do SPI, or have any memory. |
| 16:38.56 | SpeedEvil | Or hang on |
| 16:39.06 | SpeedEvil | I may be thinking of the sony part |
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| 16:41.48 | LaF0rge | hrw: I wanted to add kernel-level support for smooth fading at somepoint |
| 16:42.02 | LaF0rge | hrw: you don't want 100 syscalls for something like 'smoothly switch backlight off' |
| 16:42.56 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: :) |
| 16:43.59 | Kero | if someone wants to switch off a powerhungry thing *smoothly*, let them pay with 255 syscalls :) |
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| 16:49.01 | koen | LaF0rge: could you put http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb in svn ? |
| 16:49.31 | koen | LaF0rge: this will give people more applets, a icon for rxvt and a keyboard :) |
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| 16:50.23 | koen | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/fe07f0605d6103965d01553a9aab467b.png <- the white rectangle at the top is the keyboard activation button |
| 16:50.28 | hrw | koen: working clock too? |
| 16:50.39 | alphaone | SSH over bluetooth works :-) |
| 16:50.44 | koen | (yes, I messed up the theme for openmoko-footer, but that's local to my neo) |
| 16:50.47 | koen | hrw: yes |
| 16:53.38 | hrw | koen: looks like I need to clean desk a bit and run dfu-util with angstrom image ;D |
| 16:53.50 | koen | :) |
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| 16:54.15 | hrw | koen: you added task-openmoko upgraded into feeds? |
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| 16:54.51 | koen | hrw: doing that right now |
| 16:57.49 | dwery | what's the ETA for the gps daemon? |
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| 16:58.19 | koen | hrw: feeds updated |
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| 17:04.35 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: I have captured the oops from the high io sd problem. Attached to bug 245. |
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| 17:09.51 | cheesy | is end of this month realistic? |
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| 17:13.51 | koen | hrw: I think I'll replace xserver-nodm-init with gpe-dm, so X restarts after you kill it |
| 17:14.29 | koen | (I'll probably have to fork it and call it simple-dm otherwise some people will have a fit) |
| 17:15.09 | hrw | ;D |
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| 17:24.56 | morricone | Can somebody help me with this problem? http://rafb.net/p/I9Rw2131.html |
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| 17:53.01 | noidd | I can't stop rebooting it |
| 17:53.05 | noidd | just to see the awesome screen |
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| 17:55.13 | noidd | the material that the phone is made from has a really wierd texture |
| 17:55.14 | noidd | its awesome |
| 17:55.14 | noidd | people are clearly going to be blown away by this. |
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| 17:55.24 | pjz | yeah, I'm totally envious :) |
| 17:55.57 | pjz | though you clearly deserve it mor than I since I'm still having trouble getting the apps built for the PC |
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| 18:00.28 | noidd | my next investment will be a bluetooth keyboard |
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| 18:05.03 | pjz | yeah, there's a cool one http://www.thinkoutside.com/stowawaybt_product.html |
| 18:05.17 | pjz | folding, portable bt kbd |
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| 18:13.42 | hrw | how much? |
| 18:15.51 | buz | 150$ |
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| 18:17.25 | hrw | expensive |
| 18:18.00 | buz | rather |
| 18:18.09 | buz | the freedom thingy is 1% |
| 18:18.13 | buz | 1/3 |
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| 18:20.33 | hrw | cu |
| 18:22.04 | wansti | http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0019680/tmp/supertux_ringtone.ogg |
| 18:22.04 | wansti | http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0019680/tmp/supertux_sms.ogg |
| 18:22.04 | wansti | http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0019680/tmp/sms_gm015.ogg |
| 18:22.04 | wansti | http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0019680/tmp/mokotronic.ogg |
| 18:22.04 | wansti | http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0019680/tmp/thereisnophone.ogg |
| 18:22.20 | noidd | Ok, one Neo1973 for sale on ebay. Thanks guys, was fun playing. |
| 18:22.24 | wansti | three ringtones, two sms sounds |
| 18:22.27 | noidd | (Just kidding) :-D |
| 18:22.34 | wansti | feedback welcome |
| 18:22.35 | buz | wansti: that machine has broken mime types |
| 18:22.41 | alphaone | noidd: You scared me |
| 18:22.44 | buz | sends it as text |
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| 18:22.54 | noidd | I wouldn't do that, its the height of rudeness |
| 18:23.06 | alphaone | buz: Don't ask. :-) |
| 18:23.23 | buz | dont ask what? |
| 18:23.49 | alphaone | buz: About the setup of out university |
| 18:23.51 | noidd | Tomorrow i'll hook this puppy up to the net and let people log in. |
| 18:23.59 | buz | those ringtones sound like they could be played on a 16 channel midid thingy easily ;) |
| 18:24.08 | noidd | i'd do it tonight but i'm working currently |
| 18:24.18 | wansti | buz: that's kind of what i did :-P |
| 18:24.28 | prpplague | noidd: cool can we upload pr0n to it? hehe |
| 18:24.33 | buz | kinda besides the point when you got an ogg player no? |
| 18:24.59 | buz | then again, my p900 would do mp3 but i never use it ;) |
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| 18:25.37 | wansti | the ogg's are renderings of my hardware tone generator |
| 18:26.06 | wansti | i'll provide midi files and rosegarden sources for the finished versions, of course |
| 18:27.05 | wansti | :-) |
| 18:28.21 | wansti | let's try how they sound on the Neo... |
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| 18:28.27 | SpeedEvil | interesting (nophone_ |
| 18:30.12 | buz | is there a midi synth on neo? |
| 18:30.51 | buz | must be half a decade since i last used midi |
| 18:31.29 | noidd | http://www.thinkoutside.com/stowawaybt_product.html |
| 18:31.33 | koen | buz: most softsynths I've seen are very floatingpoint heavy |
| 18:31.47 | noidd | sorry, mis-paste |
| 18:31.50 | buz | even wavetable based ones? |
| 18:32.02 | noidd | I saw a bluetooth keyboard which was the size + width of a credit card |
| 18:32.05 | noidd | trying to find it |
| 18:32.14 | buz | noidd: thats the freedom thingy |
| 18:32.27 | buz | http://www.freedominput.com/ |
| 18:32.36 | buz | looks decidedly razr esque |
| 18:32.44 | buz | http://freedominput.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=30 |
| 18:33.13 | alphaone | Hmm, the neo does not seem to be discoverable via bluetooth... |
| 18:33.25 | noidd | although I still keep wanting the laser based one... even tho every review has trashed it as gimmick and unusable. |
| 18:33.48 | buz | the laser ones are longer than the phone itself |
| 18:33.53 | dwery | wansti: what hw did you used to make them? |
| 18:34.56 | wansti | dwery: a laptop with rosegarden and a Yamaha Motif ES tone generator |
| 18:35.18 | dwery | !! |
| 18:35.58 | wansti | huh? |
| 18:36.06 | dwery | nice hw. |
| 18:36.49 | wansti | yeah, it's pretty cool :-) |
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| 18:39.07 | sixfeet_ | wansti, son dicken bauch ? *fg* |
| 18:39.07 | aloril | sixfeet_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 18:39.44 | wansti | sixfeet_: lol, not anymore :-P |
| 18:40.32 | sixfeet_ | hehe .. is ftp.tmp in braunschweig for free upload? |
| 18:41.43 | buz | there are still ftps you can upload to??? |
| 18:42.25 | buz | (anon ones i mean) |
| 18:42.26 | sixfeet_ | i ask because of the uni-server ;) |
| 18:42.27 | buz | what do you need to host |
| 18:42.42 | sixfeet_ | atm nothing |
| 18:43.29 | sixfeet_ | for little things i use mytemp |
| 18:43.47 | sixfeet_ | and bigger ones .. i open port 21 ;) |
| 18:46.52 | buz | i cant ftp |
| 18:47.01 | buz | that protocol is so thoroughly broken its not even funny |
| 18:47.07 | buz | cant stand |
| 18:47.21 | noidd | hmm, I guess if I was going to buy a bluetooth keyboard I should get HID vs SPP |
| 18:47.30 | wansti | hm, the Neo is too slow for 160kbit/s ogg files... |
| 18:48.01 | dwery | wansti: which player are you using? |
| 18:48.02 | wansti | i converted them to 96kb mp3's, just replace s/ogg/mp3 in the list above to download them |
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| 18:48.26 | wansti | dwery: ogg123 |
| 18:48.35 | buz | noidd: i'd say hid |
| 18:48.52 | dwery | wansti: usually you need an integer only player to obtain speed on embedded devices |
| 18:49.02 | wansti | k |
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| 18:49.35 | cheesy | noidd, even searched for it |
| 18:49.36 | buz | there's an integer only vorbis codec called tremor |
| 18:51.37 | dwery | buz: if you compile one for the neo please drop the executable somewhere :) |
| 18:51.47 | buz | i dont have a neo |
| 18:52.00 | buz | and i dont have any vorbis files so i dont really care |
| 18:52.56 | dwery | ach! :) |
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| 18:56.00 | alphaone | wget via bluetooth is fun :-) |
| 18:56.41 | thresh | try uucp via irda next time |
| 18:59.32 | alphaone | thresh: I never got irda to work on any of my devices |
| 18:59.39 | koen | pics* |
| 18:59.53 | koen | well, picks as well, since FIC included them :) |
| 19:00.24 | don-o | can any P0 owners in the USA verify that phone calls on US GSM carriers are working? |
| 19:01.06 | koen | don-o: that is kinda hard without a working dialer |
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| 19:02.03 | don-o | dou. i hope thats a high priority fix |
| 19:02.30 | buz | can you see anything on the screen when backlight is off? |
| 19:03.36 | wansti | sounds need a lot more treble |
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| 19:14.53 | rob_w | damn it , i would have had the neo in my hands today , but the courier didnt find my location ,, |
| 19:17.06 | buz | rofl |
| 19:17.16 | buz | sounds like dhl |
| 19:18.20 | wansti | any other comments on the ringtones? |
| 19:18.33 | rob_w | he said he used the newest map, but iam already living here for 1 year |
| 19:18.41 | LaF0rge | is there any tremor-using commandline player? |
| 19:18.44 | sixfeet_ | wansti, try some sound-themes |
| 19:19.05 | XorA|gone | mplayer |
| 19:19.08 | XorA|gone | LaF0rge: mplayer |
| 19:19.24 | LaF0rge | i was thinking of something lean, small and standalone like ogg123 ;) |
| 19:19.51 | XorA|gone | LaF0rge: unfortuneately tremor seems to be developed by insane people |
| 19:20.01 | don-o | rob_w: can you go to DHL and get it? |
| 19:20.04 | LaF0rge | xora: why is that? |
| 19:20.21 | XorA|gone | LaF0rge: massive upheavals in the API and never a real release :-( |
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| 19:20.34 | XorA|gone | LaF0rge: thats why mplayer ended up forking it |
| 19:20.41 | rboehme | counter |
| 19:20.42 | aloril | P0: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/412593301/ P1: 3 weeks, 3 days 16:39:18 (24.694 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (494) |
| 19:20.49 | rob_w | don-o, the guy promised to come back tomorrow ( after recieving a detailed desciption my the location ) |
| 19:21.01 | XorA|gone | rob_w: you are that hard to find? |
| 19:21.19 | rob_w | it is new but not out of a town , |
| 19:22.24 | wansti | sixfeet_: sound themes? you mean like, matching button click sounds for each ringtone? |
| 19:22.33 | rob_w | XorA|gone, the simple fact of a newly created street , takes local dhl to loose one full day of time |
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| 19:22.59 | XorA|gone | rob_w: its probably not on their GPS :-) |
| 19:23.22 | rob_w | these days you live or die with the data you can have available |
| 19:23.57 | rob_w | ;-) but tomorrow is a good day to arrive for neo, i ve plenty of time and stay at home |
| 19:25.53 | sixfeet_ | wansti, wie sag ich's? some different themes for ring/sms/a.s.o. but all have to belong to the same style |
| 19:26.50 | wansti | ah, okay |
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| 19:29.53 | woglinde | counter |
| 19:29.53 | aloril | P0: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/412593301/ P1: 3 weeks, 3 days 16:30:06 (24.688 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (495) |
| 19:30.21 | LaF0rge | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/ipk/armv4t/mplayer_0.0+1.0rc1-r8_armv4t.ipk |
| 19:32.34 | Elrond | Shoragan - Did the AT commands realy output "<manufacturer>" or a real manufacturer? |
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| 19:33.17 | LaF0rge | elrond: no, this is really the output |
| 19:33.36 | don-o | does someone have some insight as to why my openmokomake is failing? http://pastie.caboo.se/45413 |
| 19:33.36 | LaF0rge | elrond: I'm trying to get this fixed for at least two months now, to no avail :( |
| 19:34.46 | dwery | LaF0rge: and you certainly are in positiuon to request such a fix ;) |
| 19:34.48 | Elrond | LaF0rge - That's not true? |
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| 19:36.30 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: It is. Don't ask. :( |
| 19:38.48 | noidd | dwery: I didn't recieve the debug board - sorry I can't help you |
| 19:39.02 | dwery | noidd: thanks anyway, I appreciated your offer! |
| 19:39.09 | Elrond | I thought, I had some basic idea, how "industry" works. But this is just strange. |
| 19:39.24 | LaF0rge | dwery: since nobody else is fixing it, I'm waiting to get sourcecode+toolchain for that gsm firmware |
| 19:39.24 | cjb | don-o: no, but do you have a C compiler installed? |
| 19:39.50 | don-o | cjb: yes, the binutils and many other packages were apparently successfully built. |
| 19:39.52 | dwery | LaF0rge: you. will. be. getting. source. code. and. toolchain.? |
| 19:40.17 | don-o | cjb: maybe i can start over with the glibc build |
| 19:40.35 | koen | LaF0rge: I bet you could plaster your walls with the NDAs required to do that... |
| 19:40.50 | dwery | I know at least a couple of guys that would even kill to get their hands on something like that :) |
| 19:41.36 | Elrond | dwery - With the right equipment or the right money, it's no problem. |
| 19:41.47 | dwery | neither of the two is rich :p |
| 19:42.00 | Elrond | dwery - tihi ;) |
| 19:42.32 | Shoragan | Elrond: yes |
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| 19:42.50 | Elrond | Okay, I don't care much for the manufacturer. But the IMEI certainly would be useful. |
| 19:42.59 | Shoragan | err, it was <manufacturer> |
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| 19:44.45 | dwery | I've been assigned some IMEIs years ago.. I wonder what happened to them :) |
| 19:45.06 | Elrond | dwery - Huh? |
| 19:45.28 | dwery | my company worked with some embedded gsm modules and we were granted IMEIs for them |
| 19:46.02 | Shoragan | what is the command to read the imei |
| 19:46.14 | libervisco | hello |
| 19:46.42 | libervisco | I've got a quick question about something marginally related to openmoko |
| 19:46.42 | Elrond | Shoragan - In theory the "serial number" one. :-| |
| 19:47.18 | libervisco | How many of you have blogs with tagging support? :) |
| 19:47.27 | libervisco | with RSS for each tag |
| 19:47.32 | libervisco | (like on WordPress.com) |
| 19:47.40 | koen | drupal supports it |
| 19:48.01 | libervisco | yeah, I mean do you guys use tags like that? |
| 19:48.01 | Elrond | Shoragan - at+cgsn would be it. But you tested that, I think. |
| 19:48.16 | LaF0rge | at+CIMI or something like that |
| 19:48.23 | LaF0rge | CGSN is serial number, not imsi |
| 19:48.26 | LaF0rge | imei |
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| 19:48.46 | libervisco | because there is this idea we had and are working on for this nw site which involves a special way of submitting content for publishing on the site |
| 19:49.01 | libervisco | all you have to do is tag your post as "mobiliberty" and submit the RSS feed of that tag to our site |
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| 19:49.14 | libervisco | and every next time you tag it "mobiliberty", it gets submit to us :) |
| 19:49.27 | libervisco | and likely published |
| 19:49.33 | libervisco | a multiblog across many blogs :) |
| 19:49.56 | libervisco | about open mobile topics |
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| 19:50.16 | Elrond | LaF0rge - AT+CIMI queries the IMSI of the SIM card. |
| 19:50.21 | buz | libervisco: sounds like planet |
| 19:50.42 | libervisco | buz, yes, but you decide what gets to it and what not |
| 19:50.53 | libervisco | by tagging what you wish submitted |
| 19:50.54 | buz | can do that with planet to |
| 19:51.11 | buz | (when you do tagged rss streams) |
| 19:51.31 | libervisco | hmm well, true.. but this is a bit more streamlines because we also moderate content |
| 19:51.41 | libervisco | potentially increasing on relevance I guess |
| 19:51.49 | don-o | cjb: here is a much more informative error message, although im not sure where the fix should go. http://pastie.caboo.se/45417 |
| 19:52.03 | buz | ah ok moderation commonly isnt done with planet |
| 19:52.15 | libervisco | buz, oh and people can comment within our "planet" :) |
| 19:52.17 | libervisco | on each item |
| 19:52.26 | buz | ah slashdot ;) |
| 19:52.27 | libervisco | creating a central community |
| 19:52.31 | libervisco | hehe |
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| 19:52.44 | libervisco | sort of :) |
| 19:52.48 | libervisco | RSS powered slashdot :) |
| 19:53.00 | koen | dupes! |
| 19:53.12 | libervisco | dupes? |
| 19:53.15 | buz | in soviet russia rss dupes you |
| 19:53.39 | libervisco | dupe reminds me of digg slang for duplicate... |
| 19:53.50 | libervisco | oh well, it's not a dupe :P |
| 19:54.15 | srbaker | morning folks |
| 19:54.23 | buz | i think its not even slang http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=dupe |
| 19:54.30 | srbaker | are there any phones that i can buy today that run openmoko? |
| 19:54.31 | aloril | srbaker: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 19:55.19 | libervisco | so.. would anyone be willing to tag and submit to our planet? |
| 19:55.19 | libervisco | (when it launches) |
| 19:55.24 | buz | aloril: somehow that isnt really english |
| 19:55.27 | buz | this autotrigger |
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| 19:55.51 | bbb8 | hello |
| 19:57.02 | srbaker | how do they define "developers" ? |
| 19:57.04 | libervisco | anyway, bbl (you'll hear of it on the mailing list when it launches anyway) |
| 19:57.05 | Stephmw | buz: close enough |
| 19:57.20 | buz | srbaker: anyone not fearing breakage |
| 19:57.32 | srbaker | buz: okay, so they're not going to refuse me when i try to buy one, eh? |
| 19:57.36 | buz | no |
| 19:57.39 | srbaker | and it's GSM, right, so i can just use it on my GSM provider? |
| 19:57.40 | buz | as long as you pay |
| 19:57.42 | buz | yes |
| 19:57.47 | srbaker | okay, good |
| 19:57.53 | srbaker | i'm in canada. any locking/region issues? |
| 19:57.58 | buz | no |
| 19:58.02 | buz | fully open |
| 19:58.09 | Stephmw | srbaker: GSM isn't like CDMA |
| 19:58.24 | srbaker | okay, good |
| 19:58.28 | srbaker | Stephmw: there are still locks. |
| 19:58.38 | Stephmw | srbaker: sure, but they're operator enforced |
| 19:58.39 | buz | only in firmware |
| 19:58.43 | bbb8 | guyz i was wondering normal users will get their mobiles around september? |
| 19:58.43 | aloril | bbb8: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:58.51 | srbaker | Stephmw: there is a GSM provider int eh us (i forget who) that refuses to talk to any phones that aren't on its pre-approved list of IMEIs |
| 19:58.54 | srbaker | so that's good |
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| 19:59.21 | Stephmw | right. the Neo1973 hardware doesn't have locks. Operators are beyond our control ;) |
| 19:59.47 | srbaker | good |
| 19:59.49 | srbaker | i'm going to order one |
| 19:59.58 | Stephmw | I'm waiting for P1+ ;) |
| 20:00.21 | buz | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5815255308.html if that can run firefox, so will neo |
| 20:00.47 | Stephmw | buz: meh. I don't want FF's memory footprint on a phone. |
| 20:01.02 | woglinde | stephmw right |
| 20:01.03 | buz | Stephmw: that thing has 128MB ram and 200mhz ARM926EJ |
| 20:01.09 | Stephmw | buz: still |
| 20:01.18 | Stephmw | buz: I want my apps lean |
| 20:01.28 | buz | nothing forces you to use ff |
| 20:02.28 | buz | people are so mean to me |
| 20:02.45 | noidd | looks like neo works with Cingular SIM |
| 20:02.46 | woglinde | buz get better jokes |
| 20:02.55 | noidd | no SIM == straight to answerphone |
| 20:02.55 | Stephmw | noidd: good! |
| 20:03.10 | Stephmw | noidd: would you create/update the wiki with this info? |
| 20:03.11 | noidd | SIM == phone rings for X times then goes to answerphone |
| 20:03.18 | noidd | sure |
| 20:03.28 | buz | but neo doesnt actually figure out the gsm is ringing? |
| 20:03.41 | Stephmw | noidd: it's especially important in the US with the anal operators |
| 20:03.42 | noidd | buz: if it does I don't know how |
| 20:04.21 | noidd | I guess I could systemcall trace whatever is listening on the uart |
| 20:04.21 | buz | ok so in its current state its kinda useless as phone ;) |
| 20:04.27 | noidd | I'll check it out later tonight. |
| 20:05.26 | Stephmw | buz: expected though, from the blogs |
| 20:05.33 | buz | yeah |
| 20:05.57 | Elrond | Stephmw - What's that US operator issue you're talking about? |
| 20:06.19 | Stephmw | Elrond: lock-in mania, it's so 1990 Europe ;) |
| 20:06.39 | Stephmw | Elrond: I know it's improving, but it's slow |
| 20:07.05 | buz | http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:uGUceFJUU94J:research.microsoft.com/~GBell/CGB%2520Files/MyLifeBitsMM02%25200212%2520c.pdf+my+life+bits&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&ie=UTF-8 i want that for my neo ;) |
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| 20:07.09 | Elrond | customers get, what they want. ;o)) |
| 20:08.17 | Stephmw | naaaah, stay a while in ewwwwrope and you'll see operators are far more accomodating |
| 20:08.45 | buz | basically, they dont give a shit as long as you pay the call charges |
| 20:09.03 | Stephmw | aye |
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| 20:18.25 | CM | aloril: counter_set P0: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/neo1973/ |
| 20:18.32 | CM | counter |
| 20:18.32 | aloril | P0: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/412593301/ P1: 3 weeks, 3 days 15:41:27 (24.654 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (496) |
| 20:18.40 | CM | Bah.. ;) |
| 20:21.00 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1264 10/trunk/oe/packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb: add screen to the default build, mplayer to the apps and ltrace to the debug task |
| 20:21.20 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1265 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-pim/ (4 files in 2 dirs): interim fix for openmoko-dates |
| 20:21.44 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1266 10/trunk/oe/packages/images/ (. openmoko-devel-image.bb): add examples to the devel image |
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| 20:28.48 | alphaone | http://www.sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/IMG_8392.JPG.html |
| 20:28.49 | alphaone | http://www.sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/IMG_8397.JPG.html |
| 20:29.47 | don-o | does the audioplayer application work on P0? |
| 20:30.24 | alphaone | don-o: madplay or ogg123 |
| 20:30.35 | don-o | alphaone: ah. |
| 20:31.04 | wansti | LaF0rge: that one is my entry for "The Official Neo Ringtone" |
| 20:31.08 | PBeck | alphaone: http://www.sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery2/gallery/d/5718-2/IMG_8392.JPG <= your phone? |
| 20:31.09 | wansti | ...when it's finished, that is |
| 20:31.32 | alphaone | PBeck: Yeah |
| 20:31.43 | LaF0rge | we should try to package all of mickey's old amiga modules |
| 20:31.52 | PBeck | alphaone: have you edit a wikipage online? |
| 20:31.59 | LaF0rge | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/projects/amiga-modules/ |
| 20:32.04 | alphaone | The webbrowser app is so slow that you practically don't fell the overhead added by softwarerotate |
| 20:32.58 | LaF0rge | bah. software rotate :( |
| 20:33.08 | alphaone | LaF0rge: What was the mod tracker app again? |
| 20:33.26 | LaF0rge | alpha: tracker? you want to write/modify them? |
| 20:33.27 | alphaone | LaF0rge: I just wanted to see how bad it really is |
| 20:33.34 | PBeck | alphaone: that mean? |
| 20:33.38 | alphaone | LaF0rge: No, just play them |
| 20:33.43 | LaF0rge | alpha: I didn't do any of that since my dos time |
| 20:34.39 | PBeck | alphaone: http://www.sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery2/gallery/d/5718-2/IMG_8392.JPG <= i mean this picture |
| 20:35.04 | PBeck | is this online or a editor? |
| 20:35.27 | alphaone | LaF0rge: Okay. I thought mickey had a mod player installed globally |
| 20:36.02 | alphaone | PBeck: It is online via bluetooth PAN. I didn't edit anything, though. :-) |
| 20:36.13 | PBeck | alphaone: cool |
| 20:36.18 | PBeck | how fast it is? |
| 20:36.42 | buz | mhh a neo is up for grabs |
| 20:36.42 | PBeck | hum ... how fast can you surf? perhaps a better sentence ^^ |
| 20:37.35 | balrog-kun | alphaone: i see the screen rotate applet works for you? |
| 20:37.36 | PBeck | alphaone: can you perhaps take a photo with the t630 and the neo? |
| 20:38.03 | LaF0rge | buz: 'is up for grabs' ? |
| 20:38.06 | alphaone | PBeck: The actual data transfer was about 300kb/s over ssh. The web browser is way slower rendering the pages |
| 20:38.11 | buz | LaF0rge: see ML |
| 20:38.18 | buz | (i think its kinda weird) |
| 20:38.18 | LaF0rge | which ML |
| 20:38.21 | alphaone | But of course this is all beta. It keeps crashing, too |
| 20:38.28 | buz | devel |
| 20:38.36 | LaF0rge | alpha: I still haven't sent out the bluetooth MAC addresses. |
| 20:38.41 | LaF0rge | should do that at some point |
| 20:38.49 | PBeck | alphaone: thats not so slow i think, or? |
| 20:39.00 | alphaone | balrog-kun: Yeah, it works. It's slow, but it works |
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| 20:39.15 | alphaone | PBeck: surfing in general is quite slow |
| 20:39.27 | alphaone | PBeck: What t630? |
| 20:39.55 | Hadaka | counter? |
| 20:39.56 | aloril | P0: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/412593301/ source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: devices shipped at 2007-03-05; 3 weeks, 3 days 15:20:04 (24.639 +-7.0 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-03-31); 6 months, a week, a day (192.639 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (497) |
| 20:40.21 | LaF0rge | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/ipk/armv4t/mikmod_3.2.2-beta1-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:40.31 | alphaone | LaF0rge: Thanks |
| 20:40.31 | PBeck | http://www.sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery2/gallery/d/5615-2/IMG_8323.JPG <= alphaone is that phone not yours? |
| 20:40.54 | woglinde | laforge uh the proc isnt armv5? |
| 20:41.34 | alphaone | PBeck: Yeah, that's mine |
| 20:41.59 | alphaone | LaF0rge: root@fic-gta01:~$ hcitool dev |
| 20:41.59 | alphaone | Devices: |
| 20:41.59 | alphaone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.07 | alphaone | Where's that from then? |
| 20:42.19 | PBeck | alphaone: i have a t630 too, so i can relation the bigness of the two cases |
| 20:42.44 | PBeck | respectively the phones |
| 20:43.03 | Elrond | alphaone - How did you turn the X11 to landscape mode? |
| 20:43.14 | alphaone | PBeck: Ah, sorry. Here it goes by the name "crappy Sony Ericsson phone without a descent organizer function" |
| 20:43.18 | alphaone | Will do |
| 20:43.23 | alphaone | just a sec |
| 20:43.42 | buz | that screen is unbelievably good |
| 20:43.53 | buz | you can actually ready it on bad shots |
| 20:44.11 | PBeck | alphaone: rofl :P I have here a w800i, too ;) My new phone would be the neo1973 ^^ |
| 20:44.24 | alphaone | Elrond: Klich on the App Launcher (top left) ->Utiliities -> Panel -> Screen Rotator |
| 20:44.33 | PBeck | with (i hope) a good organizer at phase2 ;) |
| 20:44.38 | alphaone | Then you click on the item to rotate |
| 20:44.40 | PBeck | and a good e-mail client |
| 20:44.43 | LaF0rge | alphaone: that is interesting. really interesting |
| 20:44.53 | LaF0rge | alphaone: I cannot test, because I don't have Bv3 with working BT :( |
| 20:45.11 | alphaone | buz: Yeah and you can make the font real small |
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| 20:45.23 | Elrond | alphaone - Ahh, cool. :) |
| 20:46.09 | dwery | btw the earphones of the neo are quite cool.. never seen similar ones here in .it |
| 20:46.12 | alphaone | PBeck: We'll make a group photo of all our phones here in a minute |
| 20:46.16 | alphaone | LaF0rge: :-( |
| 20:46.32 | PBeck | alphaone: super :D |
| 20:46.52 | buz | LaF0rge: get the one from the polish guy then ;) |
| 20:46.57 | buz | (i think he's polish anyway) |
| 20:47.09 | LaF0rge | buz: I hop I'll have one soon |
| 20:47.21 | buz | would make sense ;) |
| 20:47.45 | buz | any roadmap for v1.5 already? |
| 20:50.09 | Hadaka | heh, so phase 0 has no working dialer? |
| 20:50.20 | LaF0rge | nope |
| 20:51.33 | Hadaka | that's funny - just a couple weeks ago I was talking with a colleague and said that making phone calls with the machine is probably just by using a terminal for the first month or so ;) |
| 20:52.00 | Hadaka | LaF0rge: just as a side note - it's great to see you hacking for openmoko - your work on netfilter has always been excellent |
| 20:52.06 | buz | in some sense, p0 is the -1st month |
| 20:52.27 | koen | LaF0rge: do you have an ETA when we can start asking GPS related questions (e.g. next week, next month, etc) |
| 20:52.29 | LaF0rge | hadaka: thanks, unfortunately I can't work on netfilter these days :( |
| 20:52.42 | LaF0rge | koen: I would say one month is a good idea |
| 20:52.57 | Hadaka | yeah, it's great that people get to hack on the device, dialer or not |
| 20:53.00 | LaF0rge | keon: We still have too many questions on our own now. Sean himself is looking into this |
| 20:53.03 | koen | LaF0rge: thanks, I'll bump down the items on my TODO accordingly :) |
| 20:53.13 | Hadaka | LaF0rge: we already have a working firewall, now we need a working phone ;) |
| 20:53.16 | koen | LaF0rge: I know, that's why I asked |
| 20:53.30 | LaF0rge | hadaka: the phone even comes with ipv6 connection tracking :) |
| 20:53.53 | LaF0rge | hadaka: and policy routing + tc support |
| 20:53.55 | Hadaka | LaF0rge: christ, the last time I tried that, it was remotely panicable |
| 20:54.13 | Hadaka | (which was some years ago, though) |
| 20:54.27 | xkr47 | hi LaF0rge :) |
| 20:54.28 | Hadaka | LaF0rge: I'm already drooling at the possibilities |
| 20:54.32 | LaF0rge | hi xkr |
| 20:54.47 | xkr47 | has the load gone down a bit ? |
| 20:55.03 | LaF0rge | xkr: not really, I'm taking something like half a day off for stupid things |
| 20:55.09 | LaF0rge | such as packaging mod files for the neo |
| 20:55.10 | xkr47 | :/ |
| 20:55.17 | xkr47 | heh hee |
| 20:55.18 | LaF0rge | or packaging openalchemy ;) |
| 20:56.27 | LaF0rge | ;) |
| 20:56.33 | Hadaka | is the P1 box going to contain the debug boards & things as well? (and most importantly, guitar pick?) |
| 20:57.05 | LaF0rge | dwery: i have tons of V3 here, but no Bv3 with bluetooth |
| 20:57.12 | buz | xkr47: thats cheap sleep |
| 20:57.40 | xkr47 | buz, doh.. where can I buy quality sleep? |
| 20:57.41 | xkr47 | :) |
| 20:57.47 | LaF0rge | i have Bv2 with working bluetooth |
| 20:57.52 | buz | xkr47: if you find out, let me know |
| 20:58.12 | buz | (i've found girls can both help and hurt quality sleep) |
| 20:58.16 | dwery | :-D |
| 20:58.24 | xkr47 | buz, :) |
| 20:58.36 | dwery | bt seems working fine anyhow, as far as I've read. i will try it tomorrow |
| 20:58.36 | xkr47 | buz, depending on girl or same girl ?-) |
| 20:58.43 | dwery | with my bt over lan adapter |
| 20:58.45 | buz | xkr47: both actually ;) |
| 20:58.52 | xkr47 | heh |
| 20:59.00 | buz | (tho people say i sleep like a stone) |
| 20:59.09 | buz | supposedly it is very hard to get me awake when i dont want to |
| 20:59.47 | buz | and since i can rarely remember any dreams, some times i think i just pass out instead of sleeping ;) |
| 20:59.49 | CM | buz: Some things always make me want to wake up... ;) |
| 20:59.52 | xkr47 | buz, if it wasn't for openmoko, people would think you're dead or in a coma now :D |
| 21:00.07 | xkr47 | buz, heh |
| 21:00.35 | xkr47 | buz, try concentrating tonight that in the middle of a dream, you'll wake up :) |
| 21:00.55 | buz | doesnt work after a beer in any case |
| 21:00.56 | stefan_schmidt | You like to know why OpenEZX loves OpenMoko? http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/IMG_8400.JPG.html |
| 21:01.07 | xkr47 | hehe |
| 21:01.23 | buz | *three*???? |
| 21:01.37 | stefan_schmidt | buz: Three guys, three phones |
| 21:01.44 | xkr47 | someone is playing tic-tac-toe with phones :) |
| 21:01.45 | stefan_schmidt | buz: We have a hacking seesion here |
| 21:01.45 | buz | i wonder what a neo would fetch on ebay |
| 21:01.59 | stefan_schmidt | buz: alphaone, Shoragan, wansti, and me |
| 21:02.13 | buz | that makes 4 in my head |
| 21:02.19 | wansti | i don't count |
| 21:02.19 | xkr47 | stefan_schmidt, tell me about your hacking session! |
| 21:02.24 | wansti | i'm just the artist :-) |
| 21:02.27 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 21:02.42 | alphaone | :-) |
| 21:02.45 | Stephmw | stefan_schmidt: I've played with those Motos on the top-left... always left greasy ear prints on the screen after ending a call ;) |
| 21:02.48 | buz | oh wait those are illegal in germany |
| 21:03.00 | stefan_schmidt | xkr47: http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko |
| 21:03.01 | xkr47 | :D |
| 21:03.05 | wansti | lol |
| 21:03.29 | buz | (well technically they arent exactly legal here either) |
| 21:03.44 | alphaone | PBeck: http://www.sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/IMG_8401.JPG.html |
| 21:03.49 | dwery | how FIC will handle the certification in the EU? |
| 21:04.10 | stefan_schmidt | The last link shows all phones we have here. :) |
| 21:04.13 | buz | did you get OM on EZX already? |
| 21:04.31 | stefan_schmidt | buz: booting, but not working |
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| 21:04.49 | buz | i have ruled out moto anyway |
| 21:04.56 | buz | at least as long as they wont add wifi |
| 21:04.57 | alphaone | buz: I starts and I can start the mainmenu but not much more |
| 21:05.03 | xkr47 | boy, you must be having fun :) |
| 21:05.17 | alphaone | buz: The A910 is supposed to have wifi |
| 21:05.18 | wansti | hell yeah :-) |
| 21:05.24 | LaF0rge | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/ipk/armv4t/openmoko-sounds-mickeys-modules_1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 21:05.24 | buz | this is like the ultimate geek porn |
| 21:05.56 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone, Shoragan, wansti: We need to order pizza soon. :) |
| 21:06.03 | alphaone | Heh |
| 21:06.05 | woglinde | stefan that isnt a real session there is no pizza |
| 21:06.08 | PBeck | alphaone: wow photoshooting :D |
| 21:06.20 | PBeck | you have many phones :P |
| 21:06.31 | buz | that's like a 12some |
| 21:06.44 | wansti | cellphone gang bang |
| 21:06.49 | buz | lets hope many new neos will be born |
| 21:07.04 | buz | maybe even clamshell neos |
| 21:07.22 | PBeck | alphaone: thanks for the photo |
| 21:07.27 | PBeck | i go now offline |
| 21:07.28 | alphaone | PBeck: np |
| 21:07.28 | PBeck | bye bye |
| 21:07.33 | alphaone | Bye |
| 21:07.49 | buz | what happens when the backlight goes off? |
| 21:07.54 | buz | can you read anything at all? |
| 21:08.04 | stefan_schmidt | buz: no |
| 21:08.08 | buz | dooo |
| 21:08.16 | buz | not even big black letters on white background? |
| 21:08.49 | alphaone | buz: No, nothing |
| 21:08.56 | buz | doooooooh |
| 21:09.08 | buz | that was definitely one thing i love about the p900 screen |
| 21:09.15 | buz | you can read the clock without having backlight |
| 21:10.48 | alphaone | buz: Yeah |
| 21:11.10 | alphaone | It seems that the complete screen is switched off |
| 21:11.51 | buz | that could possibly be changed in software though? by simply not giving pulses to the leds? |
| 21:12.14 | alphaone | buz: I don't know if that is the case |
| 21:13.56 | Shoragan | koen, are you building you openmoko image from standard oe? |
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| 21:16.11 | hrw | xkr47: because it is not present there |
| 21:16.18 | hrw | Shoragan: yes, from OE |
| 21:17.05 | xkr47 | :P |
| 21:18.36 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1267 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-base/openmoko-sounds-mickeys-modules.bb: |
| 21:18.36 | CIA-7 | openmoko: this is jsut a package with mickey's modules from |
| 21:18.36 | CIA-7 | openmoko: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/projects/amiga-modules/ or |
| 21:18.36 | CIA-7 | openmoko: http://www.vanille.de/modules/, let's see how long it takes him to find out |
| 21:18.37 | CIA-7 | openmoko: about this tribute :) |
| 21:19.17 | hrw | LaF0rge: ;DD |
| 21:19.30 | hrw | LaF0rge: does it depend on mikmod player? |
| 21:19.33 | LaF0rge | oh, no |
| 21:19.50 | LaF0rge | is there something like a virtual-module-player? |
| 21:19.59 | LaF0rge | i mean, you probably have many such players in OE, right? |
| 21:20.19 | hrw | LaF0rge: one quick question: to flash rootfs with dfu-util I need to connect debug board? |
| 21:20.28 | LaF0rge | no |
| 21:20.30 | hrw | LaF0rge: there are some but no virtual for it |
| 21:20.32 | LaF0rge | only for the bootloader |
| 21:21.09 | hrw | LaF0rge: dfu-util wiki page show info for flashing when neo is in 'dfu mode' but no info how to switch into it |
| 21:21.24 | LaF0rge | hrw: happens automatically if you use ti |
| 21:21.25 | LaF0rge | it |
| 21:21.38 | LaF0rge | hrw: if you use either -D or -U it's switched |
| 21:22.29 | hrw | LaF0rge: so need to boot into bootmenu (dfu-util show runtime mode) and force dfu-util download? |
| 21:22.53 | LaF0rge | no need to force |
| 21:22.57 | LaF0rge | it's normal operation mode ;) |
| 21:23.00 | koen | hrw: enter boot meny, start upload |
| 21:23.02 | LaF0rge | but yes, that's it |
| 21:23.08 | LarstiQ | heh |
| 21:23.11 | LaF0rge | and make sure it doesn't switch off, see errata |
| 21:23.39 | LaF0rge | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Phase_0#Workaround |
| 21:24.13 | LaF0rge | we need to make it top prio to support .mod and .sid files as ringtones |
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| 21:26.21 | hrw | thx guys |
| 21:26.26 | LarstiQ | dwery: I remember all the current demoparties even :P |
| 21:26.46 | dwery | eheh. I stil have 11 Amigas.. somewhere in the house |
| 21:28.53 | LaF0rge | back.mod is really cool |
| 21:29.11 | hrw | we need gstreamer player |
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| 21:29.58 | *** part/#openmoko _law_ (n=_law_@213.173.86.202) |
| 21:31.30 | LaF0rge | hrw: yes, we nee all kinds of gstreamer :) |
| 21:31.55 | koen | gst-launch is a console 'player' :) |
| 21:32.30 | hrw | booted |
| 21:32.47 | hrw | LaF0rge: I will provide gstreamer update soon into OE |
| 21:33.15 | hrw | hmm.. need to erase rootfs next time |
| 21:33.23 | LaF0rge | hrw: pleaes note that fluendo has interest in supporting neo1973 actively |
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| 21:34.39 | hrw | nice |
| 21:35.43 | hrw | koen: gtk has to depend on icon-hicolor probably |
| 21:35.56 | koen | you mean the icon-cache errors? |
| 21:35.59 | hrw | yes |
| 21:36.28 | LaF0rge | does gstreamer support tremor? |
| 21:36.33 | hrw | LaF0rge: yes |
| 21:36.36 | koen | gst-plugin-ivorbis |
| 21:36.42 | LaF0rge | NOTE: the following files were installed but not shipped in any package: |
| 21:36.42 | LaF0rge | NOTE: /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/.debug/libgstcoreelements.so |
| 21:36.42 | LaF0rge | NOTE: /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/.debug/libgstcoreindexers.so |
| 21:37.09 | koen | hrw: good idea |
| 21:37.11 | koen | 'night all |
| 21:37.15 | LaF0rge | night hrw |
| 21:38.07 | SpeedEvil | buz: there is a compromise between visibility when off, and amount of backlight power per unit brightness. |
| 21:38.21 | buz | i know |
| 21:38.30 | SpeedEvil | Quite a large compromise - double. |
| 21:42.44 | SpeedEvil | alphaone: put link to thost images on the wiki |
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| 21:45.38 | alphaone | SpeedEvil: Will do |
| 21:45.51 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 21:46.04 | SpeedEvil | s/put/i've put/ |
| 21:46.11 | SpeedEvil | Sorryu |
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| 21:47.07 | alphaone | SpeedEvil: Ah, okay. Great |
| 21:47.18 | rekahsoft | hi all |
| 21:48.19 | rekahsoft | i am wandering about how the openmoko works...is it a striped linux kernel with hardware support for phones? |
| 21:48.20 | aloril | rekahsoft: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 21:49.24 | maydaytx | i wander why he left? |
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| 22:00.54 | alphaone | anyone know how to make a Bluetooth device discoverable? |
| 22:01.10 | buz | that wholly depends on the device |
| 22:01.12 | roh | alphaone that depends on your device |
| 22:01.15 | SpeedEvil | It's in the manual. |
| 22:01.22 | alphaone | I thought iscan enable; pscan enable; was enough |
| 22:01.38 | roh | on bluez? sounds sane |
| 22:01.38 | alphaone | SpeedEvil: Manual? |
| 22:01.50 | SpeedEvil | err, - sorry, I've just woken up. |
| 22:01.55 | alphaone | I'm talking about the neo |
| 22:02.03 | alphaone | :-) |
| 22:02.46 | roh | alphaone which device class do you set? some obt clients only discover certain types and dont even show others |
| 22:03.48 | alphaone | roh: class 0x120112 |
| 22:04.19 | roh | hm.. now the interresting question.. how to decode that.. my notebook here uses 0x3e0100 |
| 22:04.48 | alphaone | roh: I just copied that value from my notebook. Will check now |
| 22:04.54 | LaF0rge | hi roh! |
| 22:05.08 | roh | hey LaF0rge |
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| 22:07.30 | alphaone | Still doesn't show up.. |
| 22:08.20 | roh | can you browse other devices like your pc from the moko? |
| 22:08.47 | *** part/#openmoko wansti (n=wansti@2001:638:602:af01:219:d2ff:fe05:bdce) |
| 22:09.19 | alphaone | roh: Yeah, it works the other way round. If I initialize pand from the neo I have connectivity. |
| 22:09.33 | alphaone | But I can't connect to the Neo |
| 22:09.40 | alphaone | only from |
| 22:09.51 | balrog-kun | roh: you can install any servers or clients you like on it |
| 22:10.29 | balrog-kun | oh you mean bluetooth |
| 22:10.59 | alphaone | 00:20:E0:3A:4E:C8 is a valid bluetooth address, right? |
| 22:11.43 | roh | alphaone yepp. its like normal mac-addresses |
| 22:15.02 | Elrond | alphaone - Thanks for the hires pics with the neo on the keyboard. I resized them to "original" size to see, how the neo with real stuff on it might look. |
| 22:15.35 | alphaone | Elrond: np |
| 22:15.56 | alphaone | Elrond: That keyboard is from my X40 |
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| 22:16.08 | Elrond | alphaone - :) |
| 22:16.16 | Elrond | Base result: I need larger font. |
| 22:21.26 | alphaone | LaF0rge: stefan_schmidt's phone has a MAC address, too: 00:06:6E:13:37:E4 |
| 22:21.30 | alphaone | 1337? |
| 22:22.10 | Elrond | *G* |
| 22:23.12 | woglinde | hihi phoneme runs on the simpad |
| 22:23.33 | roh | hey woglinde |
| 22:23.41 | woglinde | he roh |
| 22:24.48 | roh | woglinde you i always meet when there is sth. new, intteresting, hacker-ish going on ;) |
| 22:25.26 | woglinde | roh *g* |
| 22:26.09 | woglinde | roh its only accident |
| 22:26.26 | roh | of course... pure coincidence ;) |
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| 22:26.38 | woglinde | if I didnt a course about robtics I had never met zecke and never mickeyl :) |
| 22:26.45 | woglinde | +attend |
| 22:27.11 | roh | youre still in berlin? we should go drinking some time |
| 22:27.18 | woglinde | yes I am |
| 22:27.26 | woglinde | started study again at the fu |
| 22:27.35 | woglinde | in 2003/2004 |
| 22:27.42 | roh | i see |
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| 22:38.19 | Elrond | <-- will be in berlin the overnext weekend. ;) |
| 22:47.57 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:49.30 | alphaone | Did anyone else notice that the debug board has wires that lead to /dev/null? |
| 22:50.58 | LaF0rge | alpha: if you add it to some faq somewherer I'll answer that implicit question ;) |
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| 22:53.51 | florian | re |
| 22:53.53 | LaF0rge | mh, -ETIMEDOUT, I'm off to bed now |
| 22:54.20 | florian | *g* |
| 22:54.23 | alphaone | LaF0rge: good night |
| 22:54.30 | florian | LaF0rge: good night |
| 22:54.37 | alphaone | I'm in the process of adding it |
| 22:54.38 | florian | too early for me to go to bed... |
| 22:55.03 | stefan_schmidt | florian: your neo arrived? |
| 22:55.11 | florian | stefan_schmidt: yes |
| 22:55.27 | florian | anyone who knows offhad what the browser is based on? |
| 22:55.28 | stefan_schmidt | florian: gpe-phone working? ;) |
| 22:55.54 | florian | stefan_schmidt: heh not yet, i was just about to try a fresh build on the a780 |
| 22:56.08 | stefan_schmidt | florian: ah, also nice. :) |
| 22:56.09 | alphaone | LaF0rge: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Misc |
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| 22:56.23 | alphaone | florian: Segfault? |
| 22:56.43 | alphaone | :-) |
| 22:56.53 | florian | alphaone: Yes! ;) |
| 22:59.29 | CoreDump|home | anyone gut a dfu-util .deb for sid? |
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| 23:02.30 | woglinde | coredump its in oe |
| 23:02.51 | Elrond | florian - Any issues with customs? |
| 23:02.54 | CoreDump|home | +mhentges@oe-neo1973:..penembedded.dev/packages >find . -name "*dfu*" |
| 23:02.54 | CoreDump|home | +mhentges@oe-neo1973:..penembedded.dev/packages > |
| 23:03.03 | CoreDump|home | woglinde: I don't think so |
| 23:03.19 | woglinde | coredumo koen add it believe me |
| 23:03.35 | CoreDump|home | maybe he forgot to push it? |
| 23:07.32 | florian | Elrond: no, not at all |
| 23:07.48 | CoreDump|home | same here |
| 23:09.05 | Elrond | Let's see, what P0 people will have... |
| 23:17.54 | CoreDump|home | ummm where is the "AUX" button? |
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| 23:18.33 | stefan_schmidt | CoreDump|home: upside left, 911 button |
| 23:18.43 | CoreDump|home | arrgh |
| 23:18.49 | CoreDump|home | I took that for IRDA =D |
| 23:18.51 | CoreDump|home | thanks |
| 23:19.00 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta01b_v3_case_top_open_pcb_lift_white.jpg |
| 23:19.22 | SpeedEvil | the switch to the lower left of the pic |
| 23:19.30 | CoreDump|home | SpeedEvil: got it, thanks! |
| 23:19.48 | CoreDump|home | on the black model it looks like the usual dark IRDA cover |
| 23:19.55 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 23:20.08 | SpeedEvil | There is no IRDA :( |
| 23:20.12 | CoreDump|home | yeah |
| 23:20.26 | CoreDump|home | I won't miss it ;) |
| 23:20.41 | SpeedEvil | I'd quite like it for 'universal remote' options. |
| 23:21.51 | CoreDump|home | SpeedEvil: it'd be one of those low-power, low-range IRDA LEDs. Not useable as a "remote" control =) |
| 23:22.31 | SpeedEvil | Even at a couple of meters range, it's not useless. |
| 23:23.05 | CoreDump|home | SpeedEvil: s/meters/cm |
| 23:23.11 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - The irda on my siemens is like a couple of cm ;-) |
| 23:23.30 | SpeedEvil | That's especially sucky - the one on my Visor worked out to a couple of metres. |
| 23:24.27 | Elrond | But it once helped to extract the pics from the photohandy of my girlfriend. ;) |
| 23:29.42 | Elrond | koen - Can you take a pic of the phone, so that one can see the 911/aux button clearly? ;) |
| 23:32.02 | SpeedEvil | And the inside of the front of the case. |
| 23:32.53 | Elrond | for SpeedEvil, add a ruler, if you have one. :-) |
| 23:34.39 | florian | how do i switch to dfu mode? |
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| 23:35.36 | CoreDump|home | florian: boot into the bootmenu |
| 23:36.26 | florian | CoreDump|home: i see... i don't get the list of options mentioned in the wiki |
| 23:36.39 | florian | but i can download new firmware |
| 23:36.46 | CoreDump|home | really? hmm |
| 23:37.15 | Elrond | s/firmware/openmokoware/ ;o) |
| 23:37.57 | CoreDump|home | I have trouble powering on the phone. I guess I need some more charging |
| 23:38.26 | rwhitby | alphaone: I figured the /dev/null wires on the debug board were for tying to the jumpers to pull things up or down |
| 23:38.38 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - In theory it should run without a battery, if you supply current over usb. |
| 23:38.58 | alphaone | rwhitby: But the other end is not at all connected? |
| 23:39.39 | rwhitby | correct. two wires, connected to a jumper set at the edge of the board, and taking a long route around the board. just right for bridging last-minute changes onto |
| 23:40.35 | alphaone | rwhitby: Okay |
| 23:40.38 | alphaone | I sess |
| 23:40.49 | alphaone | s/ss/e/ |
| 23:41.57 | florian | nice bug: the bootloader turns off the device during file upload if you don't press a key from time to time |
| 23:42.52 | Elrond | huh? |
| 23:43.03 | stefan_schmidt | florian: Yeah, already in bugzilla and errata |
| 23:43.24 | stefan_schmidt | florian: The power off timer is not turned off during dfu mode. |
| 23:43.45 | stefan_schmidt | florian: Werner has a fix and will prepare some new uboot binaries soon |
| 23:44.45 | florian | ok, perfect |
| 23:45.14 | florian | ok, the oe built jffs2 is broken |
| 23:45.31 | Elrond | Have any u-boot things already merged upstream? |
| 23:46.35 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: There where 9 patches for discussion already. Some acked some not. Not sure if some of them are already in. |
| 23:46.45 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Others will follow |
| 23:52.05 | Elrond | Good. :-) |
| 23:52.14 | Elrond | How about the kernel stuff? |
| 23:52.58 | balrog-kun | the kernel stuff would need a fair bit of clean-up |
| 23:53.04 | CoreDump|home | i wonder if they fixed the u-boot bug already that forces to to keep pressing a button |
| 23:55.23 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - Scroll a few lines up. There seems working on it. |
| 23:55.23 | Elrond | Good night people. |
| 23:55.30 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: fluffs is the arm-samsung subsystem maintainer. He already took some patches and reviewed others. Also work in progress. But other stuff has prio atm. |
| 23:57.26 | aevin | so, any benchmarks yet? glxgears? ;-) |
| 23:57.30 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Good. :-)) |
| 23:57.40 | LaF0rge | rwhitby/alphaone: those lines on teh pcb are for capacitance/inductance measurements to verify the dieelctric constant of the PCB material in case the manufacturer fscked up |
| 23:58.12 | LaF0rge | apparently standard policy in the better FIC hardware departments to put those lines if there's space for them |
| 23:58.12 | alphaone | LaF0rge: Ah, nice to know :-) |
| 23:58.25 | rwhitby | good stuff. |
| 23:58.31 | Elrond | aevin - Some simple measurements of write performance on sd or nand were done... scroll up. ;) |
| 23:58.35 | Elrond | Night now. |
| 23:58.49 | CoreDump|home | n8 Elrond |
| 23:58.49 | florian | btw |
| 23:58.52 | aevin | gn, Elrond. i'll read backlog. |
