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| 00:06.21 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1109 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-dfu.patch: |
| 00:06.21 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * Atomic download of u-boot image now working |
| 00:06.21 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * Non-Atomic download of all other partitions now working |
| 00:06.21 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * Final USB reset after MAINFEST state switches back into usbtty mode |
| 00:06.21 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * Known bugs: |
| 00:06.22 | CIA-7 | openmoko: ** no transfer size % 8 |
| 00:06.26 | CIA-7 | openmoko: ** second download fails after a previous download |
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| 00:42.01 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1110 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/main.c: fix --help printout |
| 00:42.10 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1111 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/sam7dfu.c: add 'Done' message at the end of a transfer |
| 00:42.17 | LuitvD | lol |
| 00:42.20 | LuitvD | what a patch :P |
| 00:42.30 | nm_ | hi *, |
| 00:42.31 | LuitvD | does that really need a new revision number? :P |
| 00:42.37 | nm_ | how do i tell bitbake make uImage instead of zImage in kernel package ? |
| 00:42.46 | LuitvD | I have no idea... |
| 00:42.53 | LuitvD | ask one of the devvers ;) |
| 00:43.16 | LuitvD | LaF0rge: you just had to have revision 1111 didn't you? :P |
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| 00:46.23 | rwhitby | LuitvD: numbers are cheap. |
| 00:46.26 | CoreDump|home | LuitvD: actually he is aiming for 1337 today =) |
| 00:46.46 | LuitvD | heheh |
| 00:46.53 | LuitvD | yeah, I'd want that one too... |
| 00:47.09 | LuitvD | 226 revisions to go then :) |
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| 00:54.16 | LuitvD | rwhitby: now how do I get the right mokomakefile + sources? |
| 00:54.20 | LuitvD | :P |
| 00:55.00 | rwhitby | LuitvD: follow the mokomakefile web page instructions |
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| 00:55.08 | LuitvD | where... |
| 00:55.15 | LuitvD | rwhitby: can't find any content |
| 00:55.35 | rwhitby | LuitvD: where have you searched? |
| 00:55.37 | LuitvD | no mokomakefile in the "Files" page of GForge |
| 00:55.54 | rwhitby | try wiki.openmoko.org |
| 00:55.56 | LuitvD | haven't found any info on the projects.openmoko.org |
| 00:56.00 | LuitvD | rwhitby: okay :) |
| 00:56.04 | LuitvD | how obvious :P |
| 00:58.44 | LuitvD | rwhitby: "This page has been accessed 1,377 times." |
| 00:58.45 | LuitvD | :D |
| 01:01.06 | aevin | LuitvD: 1378! |
| 01:01.48 | LuitvD | aevin: lol, let's just keep it at "nearly 1500" ;) |
| 01:02.19 | LuitvD | rwhitby: do you know how u-boot works in general? |
| 01:02.41 | LuitvD | rwhitby: simply explained? is it somewhat like what grub does? or is it way more complicated? |
| 01:04.26 | rwhitby | LuitvD: what do you need to know over and above what Google can tell you? |
| 01:04.50 | rwhitby | ~google u-boot |
| 01:04.55 | LuitvD | rwhitby: i can't find much simple 'user experiences' of das u-boot project... |
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| 01:05.13 | LuitvD | rwhitby: can the bootloader process be easily interrupted? |
| 01:05.24 | LuitvD | (that's the only thing I really want to know for now) |
| 01:07.27 | LuitvD | rwhitby: I want to know if I can interrupt the e2881's boot procedure if it's using u-boot, so I want to know how it works for the Neo... |
| 01:07.38 | LuitvD | or don't you know how it works? |
| 01:07.56 | rwhitby | LuitvD: I expect u-boot is heavily modified for each device it is used on. It is for the Neo, for instance. |
| 01:08.17 | LuitvD | hmm |
| 01:08.32 | LuitvD | so that's why I can't find that much info I can use... |
| 01:08.53 | LuitvD | hope I won't have to modify the e2881 too much to boot off micro-SD |
| 01:09.39 | LuitvD | but does the Neo build of u-boot need a JTAG or serial connection to interrupt the boot sequence? |
| 01:09.55 | LuitvD | (dev-board, USB, ...) |
| 01:10.01 | rwhitby | LuitvD: when I have a device in my hands, I'll be able to tell you. |
| 01:10.07 | LuitvD | ah... |
| 01:10.17 | rwhitby | until then, you can read the source code as well as I can ... |
| 01:10.17 | LuitvD | okayu |
| 01:10.33 | LuitvD | rwhitby: you can read it... i can only look at it :P |
| 01:11.13 | rwhitby | LuitvD: if you can't read the source code, then your project to boot the e2881 from SD is going to be a big learning curve ... |
| 01:11.26 | LuitvD | hehehe |
| 01:11.39 | LuitvD | rwhitby: not sure if I can't read the current source code... |
| 01:11.42 | LuitvD | i mean... |
| 01:12.26 | LuitvD | I can see structure in programs, but my C isn't what it's supposed to be :) |
| 01:12.41 | LuitvD | need some time to dig it up again |
| 01:13.18 | LuitvD | and I'll first have to see how u-boot works (in general) to see how I can interrupt it or do anything similar... |
| 01:13.24 | rwhitby | well, that's the place to start if you want to sucessfully hack the e2881. |
| 01:13.47 | LuitvD | rwhitby: already working on that :) programming a robot since last week |
| 01:14.08 | LuitvD | (in C for the SDCC compiler, for a PIC16 device) |
| 01:14.39 | LuitvD | (that's even worse, because of the PIC's structure, and limited but complicated instruction set) |
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| 01:15.33 | LuitvD | I bet the ARM core's instruction set is broad enough for a programming language like C... but the PIC actually shouldn't be programmed with anything higher then ASM :P |
| 01:16.09 | LuitvD | (although Microchip tells me the PIC16 chip's instruction set is optimized for C) |
| 01:17.06 | LuitvD | (optimized, my ass... the compilers do need very complicated tricks to get it running well enough) |
| 01:18.07 | LuitvD | (a C compiler on some 60 instructions ... I wonder what the ARM core can do...) |
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| 01:22.57 | aevin | LuitvD: have you read the OM wiki pages about the bootloader (U-boot) ? |
| 01:23.51 | LuitvD | aevin: a bit... will read it more as soon as I know more about u-boot |
| 01:24.00 | LuitvD | (looking at the manual pages now) |
| 01:24.43 | aevin | e.g. NAND_bad_blocks may be interesting for a simple overview of how it works. |
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| 01:25.21 | LuitvD | s3c2410_boot_usb is interesting too :) |
| 01:25.24 | aevin | ah, if you're reading the U-boot manual, i guess you'll be digging deeper than the OM wiki. |
| 01:25.45 | LuitvD | aevin: not really... |
| 01:25.56 | LuitvD | I'm reading the "how to use" pages first |
| 01:26.03 | LuitvD | then the "how to modify" pages ;) |
| 01:26.57 | LuitvD | i really should be sleeping now... |
| 01:27.58 | LuitvD | gone |
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| 03:14.44 | jadams | hey hey, freedom for the win :) |
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| 05:53.17 | abstrakraft | anybody grappling with MokoMakefile? |
| 05:56.14 | DesktopMa | seemed to run fine for 5 hours until I ran out of disk space :) |
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| 05:56.57 | DesktopMa | any error message? |
| 05:56.57 | abstrakraft | yeah...that'll happen |
| 05:57.01 | abstrakraft | yes |
| 05:57.24 | abstrakraft | I think there are a couple of bugs in it, got a patchset |
| 05:57.50 | abstrakraft | waiting to finish compiling so I can verify they're correct |
| 05:57.55 | DesktopMa | not sure why it seems to take forever |
| 05:58.03 | DesktopMa | I mean, building a x86 kernel takes shorter time |
| 05:58.22 | abstrakraft | you're building a _lot_ more than a kernel |
| 05:59.14 | abstrakraft | the entire OS, plus syncing monotone databases |
| 05:59.31 | DesktopMa | yeah monotone part took alot of time |
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| 06:00.15 | DesktopMa | going to have to do it over again on my workstation |
| 06:00.21 | DesktopMa | thank god it has a bit more processing power |
| 06:00.58 | abstrakraft | you should be able to copy a good bit of it over....I'm not familiar enough with it yet to know which parts you can't |
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| 06:06.18 | abstrakraft | so...I figured this chat would be buzzing. Is there a devel room elsewhere or something? |
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| 06:10.16 | DesktopMa | not that I know of. it's 7 am in europe, and late night in the US I guess |
| 06:10.25 | DesktopMa | so alot of people are sleeping. |
| 06:12.49 | abstrakraft | ah....it is getting a bit late |
| 06:13.07 | abstrakraft | perhaps I should log on sometime before midnight |
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| 06:13.38 | abstrakraft | (1:15am Eastern US) |
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| 06:29.13 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03werner * r1112 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/boot-menu.patch: |
| 06:29.13 | CIA-7 | openmoko: board/neo1973/bootmenu.c: fixed file header |
| 06:29.13 | CIA-7 | openmoko: board/neo1973/bootmenu.c (bootmenu): run "dynpart" in factory default mode |
| 06:29.13 | CIA-7 | openmoko: board/neo1973/bootmenu.c (bootmenu): when starting, switch stdout and stderr to |
| 06:29.13 | CIA-7 | openmoko: "vga" |
| 06:33.07 | aloril2 | libervisco: what makes you think they offer only EDGE and not also plain GPRS? |
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| 06:54.30 | tuxmaniac | counter |
| 06:54.30 | aloril | P0: 4 days 05:05:29 (-1.788 - 4.212 days); P1: 20.212 - 35.212; P2: 188.212 - 218.212 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (396) |
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| 08:26.05 | nm | i have modified in kernel source (build/mydistro/tmp/myarch/linux-2.6.17/path_to_my_file.c). How do i tell bitbake force re-build this kernel ? |
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| 08:57.55 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r15 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/linux-gta01.patch: Commented out uboot-mkimage, cause u-boot is not listed in the DEPENDS (therefore does not exist in the build), and doesn't build from HEAD anyway. |
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| 09:04.39 | LuitvD | rwhitby: you there? |
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| 09:05.11 | LuitvD | rwhitby: I think I'm still doing something wrong... :S |
| 09:06.26 | rwhitby | LuitvD: what's the problem? |
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| 09:06.44 | LuitvD | rwhitby: somehow it doesn't build ... again |
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| 09:07.29 | LuitvD | working on that |
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| 09:08.21 | LuitvD | rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/371412 |
| 09:08.31 | LuitvD | that's what it says... |
| 09:09.24 | rwhitby | ok, so you've done "make update" and bitbake -c clean'ed the kernel and tried again? |
| 09:09.35 | xkr47 | mooning |
| 09:10.05 | LuitvD | rwhitby: I don't know, this is the output of the mokomakefile... I let it run overnight |
| 09:10.09 | LuitvD | lol |
| 09:10.18 | xkr47 | +r |
| 09:10.18 | xkr47 | :) |
| 09:10.48 | rwhitby | LuitvD: right that error has been fixed since then. First thing to do before reporting a problem is to make update and clean the package in question and try and rebuild the package in question. |
| 09:10.52 | LuitvD | rwhitby: I ran make openmoko-devel-image > ./build_info |
| 09:11.05 | LuitvD | and that pastebin is the last couple of lines in ./build_info |
| 09:11.47 | LuitvD | rwhitby: aargh, I thought rebuilding SDCC was hell... |
| 09:12.31 | rwhitby | LuitvD: you can always wait until the september release if you're not comfortable on the bleeding edge ... |
| 09:12.50 | fluffs | seat |
| 09:12.54 | rwhitby | fluffs: did you get into the moko talk? |
| 09:13.07 | fluffs | no, too big a queue |
| 09:13.28 | rwhitby | I hope someone took some video. it will be a real bummer if no-one did. |
| 09:13.29 | LuitvD | rwhitby: I'm used to running beta software... I'm just confused when there's a million makefiles |
| 09:13.48 | LuitvD | yeah, I'd like to see the talk too :) |
| 09:14.06 | rwhitby | LuitvD: that must be your problem then - there shall be only one makefile - the *MokoMakefile* :-) |
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| 09:14.46 | rwhitby | fluffs: uboot current openmoko head seems to not even patch cleanly ... |
| 09:15.07 | fluffs | i took 1.2.0 |
| 09:15.25 | rwhitby | nod |
| 09:15.30 | fluffs | if i had an usb a-b cable i could have tested it |
| 09:15.45 | rwhitby | do you have a device nearby? |
| 09:16.02 | fluffs | i've got a qt2410 |
| 09:17.06 | fluffs | if i had a neo, it'd have been ok, everyone has a->minib |
| 09:17.23 | rwhitby | | Patch uboot-arm920t_cp15_cmd.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) |
| 09:17.39 | rwhitby | I'll wait for LaF0rge to fix that before re-enabling u-boot in the mokomakefile build. |
| 09:18.02 | LuitvD | rwhitby: which svn revision does it take? the most recent? |
| 09:18.10 | rwhitby | LuitvD: yes |
| 09:18.21 | rwhitby | (that's what make update does) |
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| 09:18.40 | LuitvD | so if I build *now* it'd be diffrent from the built last night? |
| 09:19.06 | rwhitby | LuitvD: yes, in one important way - the build will work. |
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| 09:20.10 | LuitvD | rwhitby: lol, so now the mokomakefile will succeed? |
| 09:20.12 | rwhitby | fluffs: yeah, so do I, but the openmoko guys are insisting on this svnnow business, and I don't want mokomakefile building someting different to them (i.e. any bug reports from mokomakefile builds should match the core developer builds) |
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| 09:25.16 | LuitvD | rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/371418 |
| 09:25.24 | LuitvD | is that correct? ... |
| 09:25.49 | LuitvD | that revision number? |
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| 09:26.28 | LuitvD | rwhitby: later it tells me it's "Updated to revision 15." and also "Updated to revision 1112." |
| 09:28.15 | LuitvD | rwhitby: oh never mind... |
| 09:28.19 | LuitvD | rwhitby: now I see :) |
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| 10:11.20 | LuitvD | damn, ballmer is so full of bullshit |
| 10:12.02 | LuitvD | I actually really hope he'll point out a part of the linux kernel as patent-infringing... |
| 10:12.41 | LuitvD | and then let the kernel group prove him wrong, and let the claim get back at him |
| 10:13.42 | SirCrow | I hope he get a heart infarction, then the bullshit also over ;-) |
| 10:14.03 | LuitvD | SirCrow: after his claims get back at him |
| 10:14.15 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r16 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ (series sjf2410-linux-native.patch): Moved the ordering of do_deploy in sjf2410-linux-native_svn.bb to be compatible with rm_work |
| 10:14.19 | LuitvD | he really should feel the power of the linux community |
| 10:14.36 | LuitvD | rwhitby: aah noes, not again... now I'll have to make update again |
| 10:14.42 | LuitvD | :P |
| 10:15.26 | SirCrow | LuitvD, fear sells good. |
| 10:15.34 | rwhitby | only if you're using rm_work, which you're probably not, unless you've edited local.conf |
| 10:15.50 | LuitvD | rwhitby: I did, I only changed the MACHINE type |
| 10:16.01 | LuitvD | rwhitby: so I'm not sure |
| 10:16.14 | rwhitby | if you've not added rm_work to INHERIT, then you don't need to restart. |
| 10:16.33 | LuitvD | lol |
| 10:16.36 | LuitvD | kthnx |
| 10:18.06 | LuitvD | SirCrow: I mean that the violation of patents by linux will reverse and come back at him as violation of GNU-GPL by microsoft |
| 10:21.01 | SirCrow | LuitvD, that would be nice but law suite are a wast of time and money in my opion. |
| 10:21.55 | LuitvD | SirCrow: it is, but ballmer started this all... so it's up to us to prove him wrong, and get this over with for good |
| 10:22.23 | LuitvD | if he wants patent infringment claims, he can get them back as GPL violations |
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| 10:28.06 | SirCrow | Yes that would be nice but I think he only try to frightened potential Linux users and doesn't dare actualy start a case. |
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| 10:39.37 | rwhitby | hooray, the do_deploy problem is the same problem in ixp4xx-kernel in nslu2, so I've fixed that too :-) |
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| 10:46.49 | PBeck | hi |
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| 11:01.50 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1113 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 11:01.50 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * src/contacts-contact-pane.c: (make_widget): Support custom field types |
| 11:01.50 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * src/contacts-groups-editor.c: (contacts_groups_new_cb): Ensure the |
| 11:01.50 | CIA-7 | openmoko: add groups dialog will close |
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| 12:04.36 | LuitvD | rwhitby: still there? :) |
| 12:04.46 | rwhitby | yup |
| 12:04.47 | LuitvD | rwhitby: it stalled once more... |
| 12:04.56 | LuitvD | making pastebin |
| 12:05.27 | rwhitby | my build is up to libxml2 ... |
| 12:05.32 | LuitvD | http://pastebin.ca/371505 |
| 12:05.52 | LuitvD | (fyi: I'm attempting to build for qemuarm...) |
| 12:06.14 | buz | LuitvD: if i dont get an answer tomorrow, i'll try it at the us office |
| 12:06.20 | rwhitby | you need X11 libraries installed on your host. Please add that to http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro if it's not already there. |
| 12:06.36 | LuitvD | buz: yeah... maybe that's a good idea.. but how? |
| 12:06.52 | LuitvD | rwhitby: why to that wiki? |
| 12:07.12 | LuitvD | rwhitby: isn't it openmoko+qemuarm specific? |
| 12:07.12 | rwhitby | cause that's all the stuff you need installed on the host to build OE stuff |
| 12:07.28 | buz | oh shit they dont list an email adress |
| 12:07.31 | buz | well hk office does |
| 12:07.37 | LuitvD | :P |
| 12:07.39 | rwhitby | libX11 is not openmoko specific package |
| 12:07.54 | rwhitby | (install libx11-dev if you're on Debian) |
| 12:07.55 | LuitvD | no, but it's downloaded isn't it? |
| 12:08.07 | LuitvD | (apt-get *) |
| 12:08.09 | LuitvD | :P |
| 12:09.13 | LuitvD | (installing 10 packages needed for libx11-dev |
| 12:09.28 | rwhitby | LuitvD: libx11 (the package you are building) is a standard OE package, not an OpenMoko-specific package. |
| 12:09.49 | rwhitby | So the fact that it needs libx11-dev installed on your host is common to any use of OE that need to build that package. |
| 12:09.58 | rwhitby | Hence the requirement goes on the OE wiki |
| 12:09.59 | LuitvD | looks like it's building now... |
| 12:11.20 | LuitvD | can I add that, or shal I tell someone on OE to do that? |
| 12:11.31 | LuitvD | (or are you an OE core member? :S ) |
| 12:11.46 | rwhitby | it's a wiki - you add it |
| 12:11.54 | LuitvD | ... |
| 12:12.06 | LuitvD | i'm no member of the OE wiki yet |
| 12:14.11 | LuitvD[eating] | and I guess it's not the same as on ubuntu 6.10 |
| 12:14.16 | LuitvD[eating] | running 7.04 here |
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| 12:38.31 | LuitvD | lol, needed libperl-dev too |
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| 12:41.20 | Magon | for testing in xoo, i have to build oe for x86, or just build each single app and lunche it in xoo ? |
| 12:48.59 | LuitvD | aargh, this is crazy... perl won't work... |
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| 12:57.43 | LuitvD | aargh, looks like I've got some trouble with perl now... |
| 12:57.54 | LuitvD | s/some/some serious/ |
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| 14:09.49 | noidd | Well uys, I've been away from internet access for 3 days or so |
| 14:10.04 | noidd | any news? |
| 14:10.40 | madwoota | no internet for 3 whole days ? omg ! /die |
| 14:11.02 | noidd | it wasn't that bad :-) |
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| 14:12.42 | noidd | a post onplanet.openmoko.org infers that p0 has shipped |
| 14:12.47 | noidd | do we know if that is true? |
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| 14:19.58 | LuitvD | noidd: how does that post infer p0 has shipped? |
| 14:22.05 | madwoota | wishful thinking |
| 14:22.25 | LuitvD | lol |
| 14:26.08 | buz | crap |
| 14:26.13 | buz | my p900 wont receive sms anymore |
| 14:26.22 | buz | and no neo in sight |
| 14:26.24 | LuitvD | :P |
| 14:26.30 | LuitvD | how did you do that? |
| 14:26.42 | buz | damned if i know |
| 14:26.48 | buz | if i restart it, it will occasionally get stored ones |
| 14:27.02 | buz | but not when they actually arrive |
| 14:27.14 | LuitvD | ... |
| 14:27.30 | buz | oh well |
| 14:27.31 | LuitvD | are SMSses stored on your SIM or internal storage? |
| 14:27.36 | buz | internal storage |
| 14:27.48 | LuitvD | are you sure the SIM ain't flooded? |
| 14:27.54 | buz | yes |
| 14:27.59 | LuitvD | hmm |
| 14:28.02 | buz | otherwise why would it occasionally get ne ones |
| 14:28.21 | buz | well it did a good job for over 3 years |
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| 14:35.46 | alphaone | noidd: No, it has not been shipped yet |
| 14:35.57 | alphaone | The estimate is now early march |
| 14:35.59 | buz | mhh 35EUR for a moto 177 |
| 14:36.40 | buz | moto sucks tho |
| 14:37.24 | parag0n | p0 will ship after p1 at this rate ;) |
| 14:38.02 | alphaone | :_) |
| 14:39.23 | buz | damnit no neo, no e2881 in sight |
| 14:41.09 | LuitvD | bummer |
| 14:41.12 | LuitvD | still no mail |
| 14:44.49 | buz | is motofone available anywhere |
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| 14:45.14 | LuitvD | I guess not yet |
| 14:47.06 | buz | v177 it is then |
| 14:47.16 | buz | i wonder if i can unlock it |
| 14:47.25 | buz | comes simlocked to my network |
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| 14:47.33 | buz | but maybe i can get rid of that t |
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| 14:53.31 | empty_mind | which document should i read to get a hang of compilation of aps and libs for openmoko platform ? |
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| 15:18.20 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1114 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/main.c: |
| 15:18.20 | CIA-7 | openmoko: gracefully restart from beginning (by issuing DFU_ABORT) if the device is left |
| 15:18.20 | CIA-7 | openmoko: in found in an 'incomplete {down,up}load' state |
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| 15:42.44 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1115 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/ (dfu.c dfu.h): add new dfu_status_to_string() function to stringify DFU_STATUS_* values |
| 15:43.16 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1116 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/main.c: |
| 15:43.17 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * print non-OK DFU STATUS |
| 15:43.17 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * fix error message (copy+paste mistake) |
| 15:44.54 | LuitvD | heheheh |
| 15:45.15 | LuitvD | copy+paste ftw |
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| 15:49.58 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1117 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (dynpart-absorb-bad.patch nand-dynamic_partitions.patch): |
| 15:49.58 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * correctly handle gross/net partition sizes. I.e., if we erase a partition, |
| 15:49.58 | CIA-7 | openmoko: we want to erase all non-bad blocks in it. but if we write to it [skipping |
| 15:49.59 | CIA-7 | openmoko: blocks], then we definitely do not want to exceed the end of the partition. |
| 15:49.59 | CIA-7 | openmoko: This introduces one additional argument to the arg_off_size() function. |
| 15:50.02 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * Fix nand_isbad_bbt() to also consider 'factory default bad-blocks' as being bad |
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| 15:55.08 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1118 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-dfu.patch: |
| 15:55.08 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * disable DFU debugging |
| 15:55.08 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * correctly use gross/net partition sizes |
| 15:55.08 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * correctly deal with bad blcoks in splash/kernel/rootfs partitions |
| 15:55.09 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * make sure we have a valid mtdparts environment variable before starting |
| 15:55.09 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * correctly restore dynenv OOB marker after flashing u-boot |
| 15:55.11 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * don't touch dfu_status when entering MANIFEST_SYNC |
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| 16:01.17 | stefan_schmidt | For everybody who is interested in a second battery. Some guy found out that the Nokia BLC5 battery is compatible to the one in the NEO. Neo oine has 1200mA and the nokia one is available with 1700mA also. :) |
| 16:01.20 | stefan_schmidt | Have fun |
| 16:01.52 | LuitvD | nokia blc5 |
| 16:01.57 | LuitvD | will write that down :) |
| 16:02.08 | LuitvD | thanks |
| 16:02.09 | stefan_schmidt | in the wiki please |
| 16:02.23 | stefan_schmidt | 1 EUR + shipping on ebay |
| 16:02.30 | LuitvD | oh, was thinking about writing it on tomboy note for myself :P |
| 16:12.58 | jeddy3_ | counter |
| 16:12.58 | aloril | P0: 3 days 19:47:01 (-2.176 - 3.824 days); P1: 19.824 - 34.824; P2: 187.824 - 217.824 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (398) |
| 16:15.06 | buz | that is good news indeed |
| 16:15.10 | buz | nokia batteries are widely available |
| 16:15.16 | buz | (tho i would NOT buy the 1eur ones) |
| 16:16.18 | buz | are you sure its not called BL-5C? |
| 16:16.32 | buz | cant find BLC5 |
| 16:17.37 | stefan_schmidt | buz: http://cgi.ebay.de/AKKU-f-NOKIA-3100-6030-6230-6680-7600-E60-N91-wie-BLC5_W0QQitemZ110095748310QQihZ001QQcategoryZ30414QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 16:17.56 | stefan_schmidt | buz: BL-5C |
| 16:17.57 | buz | ebays search engine must be worth shit |
| 16:18.00 | buz | oh yes |
| 16:18.02 | stefan_schmidt | buz: sorry, typo |
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| 16:18.07 | buz | those i can find tons of |
| 16:18.12 | stefan_schmidt | exactly |
| 16:18.33 | buz | remains the question which ones wont explode next to your face |
| 16:19.00 | LuitvD | er, the non-nokia ones |
| 16:19.12 | LuitvD | the cheap fake ones |
| 16:19.24 | buz | mhh the original one is only 850mah i think |
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| 16:22.51 | stefan_schmidt | buz: On the FIC battery I saw yesterday there was 1200mA |
| 16:24.00 | LuitvD | I think he meant the original nokia batteries |
| 16:24.26 | buz | yeah |
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| 16:31.15 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1119 10/trunk/oe/packages/s3c2410-utils/sjf2410-linux-native_svn.bb: close bug #211: run do_deploy earlier (Rod Whitby) |
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| 16:36.53 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1120 10/trunk/oe/conf/distro/include/preferred-openmoko-versions.inc: add 'now' version for dfu-util |
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| 16:53.25 | SpeedEvil | 1700m |
| 16:53.32 | SpeedEvil | Ah ebay rating may be lies. |
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| 17:30.14 | PBeck | re |
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| 17:43.06 | buz | 1700mah seems kinda weird when your average laptop battery has like 4500mah or so |
| 17:43.26 | barag | why? |
| 17:44.35 | Magon | are there any videos from fosdem yes? |
| 17:44.41 | Magon | s/yes/yet |
| 17:47.41 | buz | because a laptop battery is much bigger and heavier |
| 17:49.43 | barag | not really |
| 17:49.43 | barag | + different technique |
| 17:50.02 | dottedmag | barag: why then laptop batteries are not built using this technique? ;) |
| 17:50.39 | barag | mom |
| 17:53.35 | barag | mh, how should i explain that in english |
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| 17:56.31 | CM | I'm guessing they're different because a laptop needs more watts |
| 17:56.40 | CM | Meaning a faster discharge |
| 17:57.24 | CM | How many watts can you get out of a phone battery? Anyone knows? |
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| 18:03.25 | buz | a lot, when it burns |
| 18:04.08 | don-o | is there a good photo of the front of the neo1973? this wiki page has good photos of all sides but the front (with the case on). http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973 |
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| 18:04.57 | CM | don-o: I thought that was weird too |
| 18:05.24 | CM | But I think LaF0rge had some more pics somewhere |
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| 18:05.41 | don-o | CM: yeah, and the front page of openmoko.org looks like an artist's rendition rather than a real photo |
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| 18:11.37 | b_lindeijer | Second post on the planet shows some front: http://planet.openmoko.org/ |
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| 18:15.52 | don-o | b_lindeijer: cool thx |
| 18:22.00 | don-o | im starting to get seriously jazzed about the phone |
| 18:22.18 | don-o | i was seduced by the iPhone but this thing has changed my mind |
| 18:22.31 | LuitvD | lol |
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| 18:24.13 | b_lindeijer | When they announced the iPhone I thought "who the hell needs that?", then I heard about the Neo1973 and I thought "hmm, much more than I need, but it's open source, way cool!", heh. |
| 18:25.52 | b_lindeijer | I wish something like a Nokia 2600 driven by open source would exist. Simple phone, but with all the freedom. |
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| 18:28.14 | woglinde | counter |
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| 18:36.09 | arind | jk |
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| 18:49.31 | loufoque | b_lindeijer: actually, most people seem to think the neo 1973 doesn't have enough features. |
| 18:49.57 | woglinde | for me it has enough features |
| 18:50.21 | woglinde | only the wlan-problem but thats not so bad |
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| 18:58.20 | don-o | i figure neo1974 will have wifi |
| 18:58.28 | LuitvD | wifi? |
| 18:58.29 | aloril | When version 1 was designed there was no sufficiently low-power WiFi chip available which has an open driver. You can attach (battery) powered USB hub to Neo1973 and then use supported WiFi USB stick. For more information see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F |
| 18:58.38 | don-o | LuitvD: 802.11 |
| 18:58.40 | PBeck | woglinde: yes wlan is a problem :( |
| 18:58.54 | woglinde | alroil yes I know |
| 18:59.27 | vmaster | heh, someone should put that anwer on a trigger |
| 18:59.29 | PBeck | hm is the accu the second problem? Two days? |
| 18:59.31 | don-o | add an accelerometer and wifi and its got as good or better specs than the iPhone |
| 18:59.59 | PBeck | we can add a camera |
| 19:00.05 | PBeck | or a lamp |
| 19:00.08 | PBeck | or wth ;) |
| 19:00.26 | vmaster | is there any data on how many people really _want_ a camera on their phone? |
| 19:00.46 | PBeck | vmaster: i havent seen any data |
| 19:00.58 | bugdus | never used my cellphone camera ;X |
| 19:01.07 | PBeck | vmaster: but i find wlan ist usefuller than a camera |
| 19:01.12 | vmaster | definitely |
| 19:01.16 | wm_eddie | bugdus: In Japan, everybody uses the camera on their phone. |
| 19:01.17 | woglinde | yes definitly |
| 19:01.19 | PBeck | wlan ist a killer-feature |
| 19:01.27 | bugdus | yeah, im not living in japan ;) |
| 19:02.02 | PBeck | wm_eddie: what for specs have the camera there? vga is not usefull :P |
| 19:02.11 | PBeck | *cameras |
| 19:02.32 | wm_eddie | Many Japanese phones have like 2 megapixel cameras on them. |
| 19:02.42 | bugdus | thats not really good ;X |
| 19:03.13 | wm_eddie | And their screens are pretty crazy. |
| 19:03.37 | PBeck | hm 3,2 mpx would be better |
| 19:03.54 | wm_eddie | I'm sure there's a few that have 5 megapixels by now. |
| 19:04.18 | wm_eddie | and most of the new phones can receive television. |
| 19:04.21 | bugdus | yeah, but megapixels are not everything ;) |
| 19:04.36 | wm_eddie | My cheapo phone had TV. |
| 19:04.56 | PBeck | hm TV would be a nice feature too ;) |
| 19:05.41 | wm_eddie | oh and nearly every phone in Japan has that "visual voicemail" |
| 19:05.58 | bugdus | killer features |
| 19:05.59 | bugdus | ... |
| 19:06.03 | wm_eddie | They don't put up with the shitty state of voicemail for long. |
| 19:06.11 | bugdus | tv on a 3" screen, yeah ;p |
| 19:06.34 | PBeck | i dont understand was visual voicemail is |
| 19:06.45 | PBeck | *what |
| 19:06.50 | bugdus | i dont even use my normal mailbox |
| 19:06.51 | bugdus | ;X |
| 19:07.23 | PBeck | i havent used my mailbox since 5 years .P |
| 19:07.55 | wm_eddie | Instead of having to call your voicemail and listen to "you havce three new messages, first new message: Phone number blah blah blah Received on.... blah blah (2 minutes later you actually hear the message) |
| 19:08.19 | bugdus | i dont need that |
| 19:08.21 | wm_eddie | http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/index.html |
| 19:08.30 | PBeck | oh i can sort the messages how i would here that? |
| 19:08.42 | wm_eddie | I do, I want to kill the person who created that voice mail system. |
| 19:08.54 | PBeck | lol |
| 19:08.58 | bugdus | i dont use it =) |
| 19:09.13 | PBeck | so |
| 19:09.17 | bugdus | when i miss a call i can see the number and call back |
| 19:09.17 | PBeck | i go offline now |
| 19:09.19 | wm_eddie | Yeah, with visual voice mail you don't have listen to the 10 non important messages before being able to hear that one message you were waiting for. |
| 19:09.30 | PBeck | bye ;) |
| 19:09.45 | wm_eddie | The phones on that site are pretty. |
| 19:09.51 | PBeck | wm_eddie: ok thats usefull for persons they often use the mailbox |
| 19:10.19 | wm_eddie | Oh, and all the phones have GPS. |
| 19:10.28 | wm_eddie | and a very nice map application. |
| 19:10.40 | PBeck | i am not the person who need that ;) But a feature is a feature and many features are good ^^ |
| 19:10.55 | bugdus | wm_eddie, the japanse and the market for the rest of the world are very different ;D |
| 19:11.01 | PBeck | TV phones ;) |
| 19:11.16 | bugdus | i would not even want to watch tv on such a small display ;X |
| 19:11.17 | PBeck | so now i musst go bye ;) |
| 19:11.21 | denis^weg | Are there some videos arround from the FOSDEM? |
| 19:11.31 | wm_eddie | They have biometrics on their new phones too. So you can lock them. |
| 19:11.42 | mikesh | counter |
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| 19:12.19 | vmaster | last year free-electrons.com had videos from the embedded room online |
| 19:12.45 | wm_eddie | bugdus: I think the main problem is that American companies are buying shitty (and very cheap) Korean phones. And charging out the ass for them. |
| 19:13.11 | bugdus | wm_eddie, i dont even watch movies on the psp and that display is not that bad |
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| 19:14.04 | wm_eddie | I wouldn't watch movies on my phone, I'd watch the news while I was on the train, or the Hanshin Tigers(baseball) game. |
| 19:14.33 | wm_eddie | That dual-screen phone looks really interesting... |
| 19:15.40 | wm_eddie | Hmm it has a really interesting interface for the numberpad. |
| 19:16.07 | wm_eddie | The direction and menu buttons zoom in when you tap on that area. |
| 19:16.13 | wm_eddie | http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/concept_model/d800ids/topics_01.html#top |
| 19:16.37 | wm_eddie | That'll be a good thing to implement on the neo. |
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| 19:19.01 | edistar | have there been any tests to the stability of the phone? will it survive a lot of falls? ;) |
| 19:19.26 | wm_eddie | There's no moving parts so it should be as rugged as any other phone. |
| 19:19.52 | wm_eddie | plus it has no corners so maybe even more so. |
| 19:19.52 | edistar | okey :) |
| 19:19.57 | Tv | no moving parts does not imply rugged |
| 19:20.07 | Tv | plenty of phones loosen internal cabling when dropped |
| 19:20.42 | Tv | or let the screen mounting break and make the screen shift to one side |
| 19:20.43 | wm_eddie | Yeah, and the Neo has that too. |
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| 19:21.58 | wm_eddie | Not sure if it'll get loose when you drop it though. |
| 19:24.41 | ecraven | counter |
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| 19:25.45 | edistar | I hope not, cause I usually am not over-careful |
| 19:26.59 | _muk_ | hi! |
| 19:27.11 | _muk_ | Is it just me who can't access ftp://ftp.gnupg.org ? |
| 19:27.31 | thresh | no |
| 19:27.35 | thresh | or yes |
| 19:27.42 | thresh | lags so much |
| 19:28.35 | _muk_ | NOTE: fetch ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/libgpg-error/libgpg-error-1.3.tar.gz |
| 19:28.42 | _muk_ | It's on its 4th attempt now |
| 19:28.55 | _muk_ | :-( |
| 19:28.59 | woglinde | nuk use a mirror |
| 19:29.00 | thresh | yeah, stuck here |
| 19:29.02 | woglinde | muk |
| 19:29.10 | woglinde | and download it manually |
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| 19:30.03 | _muk_ | Ok, this is my very first attempt to build so any idea where to put it, can I just re run the make openmoko-devel-image then? |
| 19:30.45 | _muk_ | Found where to put it |
| 19:30.51 | woglinde | muk ;) |
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| 19:37.57 | MetaBookfoziS | has anybody openmoko near hungary? |
| 19:38.15 | MetaBookfoziS | or anybody want to buy it when that relased? |
| 19:38.32 | MetaBookfoziS | i'm hesitating, and i wanna se a living one:) |
| 19:38.36 | LuitvD | openmoko is not the device |
| 19:38.43 | MetaBookfoziS | sorry, again and again |
| 19:38.45 | MetaBookfoziS | :) |
| 19:38.46 | MetaBookfoziS | so neo. |
| 19:38.54 | LuitvD | neo1973 is the device, openmoko is the software |
| 19:38.59 | LuitvD | the neo is cool :) |
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| 19:39.58 | MetaBookfoziS | i think the same, but the screen size is a bit frustrates me, i can't imagine how possible the working on an as little as that display... |
| 19:40.08 | MetaBookfoziS | sorry, my english grammar is not the best:) |
| 19:45.19 | Syg | If I understand right, you can use either your finger or the stylus interchangably |
| 19:46.44 | Syg | So if you are concerned about having big fingers, then the stylus can act as a thin sixth digit! |
| 19:47.25 | MetaBookfoziS | no, i have normal fingers:) but is the "typing" on near normal speed possible on it? |
| 19:49.23 | MetaBookfoziS | or the bluetooth keyboard is necessarry for it? |
| 19:50.12 | LuitvD | it's not necessary... it's useful... |
| 19:50.31 | Syg | I haven't used it yet, so I'm not sure. I doubt you would be able to type as quickly as on a full-sized keyboard, but it is probably much faster than typing on a cellphone keypad. |
| 19:51.20 | MetaBookfoziS | you have reposed me:) |
| 19:52.06 | MetaBookfoziS | and an other thing, when openmoko (yes, the software:)) able to try that out on vmware or anything? |
| 19:52.31 | Syg | Check out the wiki. |
| 19:52.55 | Syg | Here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=How_to_run_OpenMoko_Apps_on_PC&oldid=4279 |
| 19:53.17 | edistar | btw... where does the stylus go? |
| 19:53.26 | edistar | can't see any place for it in the case.. |
| 19:54.03 | MetaBookfoziS | yes, i have that, thanx, i get what i do at monday:) |
| 19:56.02 | SpeedEvil | no stylus holder on the neo. |
| 19:56.24 | edistar | is that a mistake or what is the deep reasoning behind this? |
| 19:56.32 | MetaBookfoziS | stylus is the pen, not? |
| 19:56.34 | SpeedEvil | nobody knows. |
| 19:56.35 | edistar | yes |
| 19:56.35 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:56.43 | MetaBookfoziS | thx |
| 19:56.49 | Syg | On launch day: "Uh, guys? I think we forgot to put a slot for the stylus." |
| 19:57.02 | wm_eddie | velcro! |
| 19:57.25 | MetaBookfoziS | lol |
| 19:57.25 | DesktopMa | drill a tiny hole, insert stylus |
| 19:57.27 | DesktopMa | :) |
| 19:57.36 | edistar | xD |
| 19:57.53 | wm_eddie | I think stylus suck anyway so how about we forget about the whole stylus thing. |
| 19:58.12 | Syg | Is the plural of stylus "styli"? |
| 19:58.13 | MetaBookfoziS | when you hacks neo withh some battery (to power up usb, for wifi:)) you can add a little hole to store stylus:) |
| 19:58.16 | edistar | yes |
| 19:58.18 | wm_eddie | Syg: yes |
| 19:58.37 | LuitvD | a stylus is useless... using a PDA now for 1,5 years, and have only used the stylus for half a year |
| 19:58.55 | edistar | I like the idea of a stylus! cause my fingers are not so precise as a stylus, I don't know about yours :P |
| 19:59.02 | wm_eddie | I've been using PDAs since the PalmVx. |
| 19:59.03 | Syg | My fingers are as thin as a stylus, so I won't miss it much. |
| 19:59.08 | edistar | :P |
| 19:59.13 | LuitvD | after that I bought a 3-in-1 pen with ballpoint + pencil + stylus |
| 19:59.23 | edistar | on my nokia I use it |
| 19:59.25 | LuitvD | which is the ideal solution |
| 19:59.26 | edistar | for typing etc |
| 19:59.30 | wm_eddie | edistar: If your fingers aren't presice enough for the phone that should be a bug in the software, not your hands. |
| 19:59.50 | edistar | ah, thats a good viewpoint ;) |
| 19:59.54 | MetaBookfoziS | :D |
| 20:00.13 | edistar | but some software requires a lot of features per cm² |
| 20:00.19 | edistar | so fingers alone are not enough ;) |
| 20:00.28 | wm_eddie | Zooming should fix that. |
| 20:00.32 | edistar | thats my opinion.. |
| 20:00.39 | Syg | But no matter how big the "footprint" of your finger (so to speak), the software should be able to find the centerpoint. |
| 20:00.54 | edistar | thats true.. |
| 20:01.17 | Syg | I just had a vision of a Monty Python cartoon with fingers instead of feet... |
| 20:01.31 | edistar | ;) |
| 20:01.43 | edistar | have to go, learn for the math test tomorrow at school ;) |
| 20:02.24 | buz | http://www.mobile-review.com/fullnews/main/index_eng.shtml#12567 now those are some nifty devices |
| 20:02.52 | Syg | Good luck edistar |
| 20:02.57 | buz | vga screen and xga out |
| 20:03.45 | edistar | thx :) |
| 20:05.30 | jeddy3_ | Syg, but just because software knows the centerpoint of my finger, doesn't mean I see where it is when my finger covers a couple of cm's... |
| 20:06.31 | jeddy3_ | software can click away all it want's on some pinpointed location under my finger and that still doesn't help me |
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| 20:07.28 | wm_eddie | I use my treo's web-browser with my fingers. |
| 20:07.36 | wm_eddie | it's not that bad. |
| 20:07.58 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03werner * r1121 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/mmc-fixes.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 20:07.58 | CIA-7 | openmoko: include/asm-arm/arch-s3c24x0/regs-sdi.h (S3C2410_SDIDCON_BLKNUM_MASK): typo, |
| 20:07.58 | CIA-7 | openmoko: should be S3C2410_SDIDCNT_BLKNUM_MASK |
| 20:07.58 | CIA-7 | openmoko: cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/mmc.c (mmc_block_read): use S3C2410_SDIDCON_BLKNUM instead |
| 20:08.00 | CIA-7 | openmoko: of bogus S3C2410_SDIDCON_BLKNUM_MASK |
| 20:08.02 | CIA-7 | openmoko: cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/mmc.c (mmc_block_read): check SDIDSTA after each FIFO read |
| 20:08.04 | CIA-7 | openmoko: and clear any pending errors |
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| 20:10.29 | Syg | It might not be perfectly intuitive, especially for people with wider fingers, but I think it would be easy to adjust |
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| 20:13.45 | b_lindeijer | loufoque: I know, it seems the target market is people who like phones similar to the iPhone. It's not bad, just not entirely what I am looking for, heh. |
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| 20:20.15 | Syg | I don't even want a cellphone and have stayed "clean" thus far. But an open-source, open-spec phone/PDA with GPS and a touchscreen? It's too much for my little geek brain to resist. |
| 20:20.44 | _muk_ | Syg, haha :-) |
| 20:21.02 | MetaBookfoziS | detto..:) i'M thinking about the remote control via ssh and if that possible, some coding during some boring lesson... |
| 20:27.52 | Syg | I just want to write a BSOD app and install it on all my friends' Neos. |
| 20:28.32 | mxn | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/kmem, eh? |
| 20:31.20 | Syg | Does anyone know how some people are able to "throw" their voice? I'm curious if it would be possible to do the same with a speaker. |
| 20:31.45 | MetaBookfoziS | :) |
| 20:33.37 | Syg | It would be great fun to throw various animal noises around a classroom during a lecture without it seeming to come from me. |
| 20:33.54 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1122 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-dfu.patch: |
| 20:33.54 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * get rid of bogus -EINVAL somewhere in source code |
| 20:33.54 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * implement the DFU state machine correctly (MANIFEST_SYNC -> IDLE transition) |
| 20:33.54 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * add 'proprietary' way to switch back from DFU to Runtime: DFU_DETACH in IDLE state + reset. |
| 20:34.42 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1123 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/ (main.c sam7dfu.c): |
| 20:34.42 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * add explicit 'Reset after transfer' switch (--reset -R) |
| 20:34.42 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * correctly implement MANIFEST/MANIFEST_SYNC/IDLE stat transition after transfer |
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| 20:44.48 | abstrakraft | building with MokoMakefile - anyone else doing the same? |
| 20:45.32 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1124 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-dfu.patch: |
| 20:45.32 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * one less #ifdef section for usbdcore.c |
| 20:45.32 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * if stdout is usbtty, switch it to vga until we get back from DFU mode |
| 20:50.30 | _muk_ | abstrakraft: Trying for the first time now |
| 20:51.18 | abstrakraft | _muk_:running smoothly? |
| 20:52.59 | _muk_ | abstrakraft: Well, had some problems downloading stuff from ftp.gnupg.org, but I downloaded the files from a mirror instead (got a tip from this channel) and it's still running... |
| 20:53.59 | _muk_ | abstrakraft: It's copinling package: libxml2-2.6.26-r0 at the moment |
| 20:54.04 | _muk_ | compiling |
| 20:54.57 | abstrakraft | _muk_: good to know - I'm on round 6 or 7, now, getting tired of broken builds |
| 20:56.31 | _muk_ | abstrakraft: Had some troubles yesterday with missing uboot-mkimage but that was fixed until today, so after updating the mokomakefile it seems to get a lot further down the road ;-) |
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| 20:57.10 | rwhitby | abstrakraft: what's the error you're seeing - pastebin please. |
| 20:57.35 | rwhitby | my overnight daily test build completed successfully. |
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| 20:58.03 | rwhitby | uboot still fails to build, but that has been disabled in mokomakefile now |
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| 20:58.20 | LuitvD | rwhitby: on my machine more things fail |
| 20:58.32 | LuitvD | rwhitby: perl-native :) |
| 20:58.44 | LuitvD | and I can't find it anywhere... |
| 20:58.55 | abstrakraft | rwhitby: the most recent was sjf2410-linux-native.patch failed, it looks like the changes were merged upstream |
| 20:59.15 | abstrakraft | rwhitby: pastebin? |
| 20:59.21 | rwhitby | abstrakraft: yes, it was fixed overnight upstream, I'm updating mokomakefile for that now. |
| 21:00.05 | abstrakraft | rwhitby: excellent - I edited the series file, building now, just curious if I everything else is running smoothly |
| 21:00.35 | rwhitby | should be, modulo host setup stuff. |
| 21:02.29 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r17 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/series: Disabled the sjf2410-linux-native.patch as it has been fixed upstream. |
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| 21:06.35 | LuitvD | hmm, now how do I fix my problem... |
| 21:06.43 | LuitvD | somehow, I can't build perl-native |
| 21:06.54 | LuitvD | and I'm not sure why |
| 21:10.24 | rwhitby | anyone know how to convert a 380MB video file of openmoko @ fosdem 2007 to less than 100MB so I can put it on youtube? solutions must work in Linux Debian Sarge (cause that's where the file is currently, and it will take me 3 hours to get it to my machine here) |
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| 21:11.34 | SpeedEvil | mencoder |
| 21:11.52 | SpeedEvil | part of mplayer. |
| 21:12.02 | SpeedEvil | How long is it/ |
| 21:13.02 | SpeedEvil | If the machine is faster than your internet connection, then I could download it to my shell account, and do it here. |
| 21:13.07 | SpeedEvil | s/here/there/ |
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| 21:17.21 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: I just msg'd you the location - please take it, convert it, and put it on youtube. Please do not make that location public, or it will kill my server. |
| 21:17.30 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 21:17.30 | SpeedEvil | Of course not :) |
| 21:17.33 | SpeedEvil | Ok, will do. |
| 21:17.40 | rwhitby | let me know when you've got it. |
| 21:17.44 | SpeedEvil | I'll see what my server gets |
| 21:17.45 | rwhitby | hey CoreDump|home |
| 21:18.20 | SpeedEvil | etahhhh: 15 mins. |
| 21:18.42 | SpeedEvil | (for the d/l, I'm unsure how long the conversion will take) |
| 21:18.45 | rwhitby | yeah, it's on a fast link, but 1000 people downloading it at once would kill the server. |
| 21:19.53 | SpeedEvil | Confirming youtube account ATM. |
| 21:22.05 | rob_w | wanna see ! |
| 21:22.54 | rwhitby | rob_w: we're going as fast as we can within practical limits. |
| 21:23.07 | rob_w | hehe , iknow |
| 21:23.24 | rob_w | let me thank you already , |
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| 21:23.47 | rwhitby | thank ole tange |
| 21:23.48 | Kero | anyone is/knows jeff <moe@blagblagblag.org> ? |
| 21:24.03 | CoreDump|home | !pester rwhitby |
| 21:24.05 | cdbot2 | rwhitby : Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 21:24.10 | rwhitby | heh |
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| 21:24.46 | rwhitby | Kero: he is jebba |
| 21:25.03 | rob_w | hail rwhitby |
| 21:25.11 | LuitvD | rwhitby: belnet hosts some video's... why isn't the openmoko talk on that mirror too? |
| 21:25.22 | rwhitby | guess they haven't got to it yet |
| 21:25.33 | rwhitby | I presume they have many videos to convert. |
| 21:25.52 | LuitvD | http://ftp.belnet.be/mirrors/FOSDEM/2007/ |
| 21:25.58 | LuitvD | that's what's on now... |
| 21:26.14 | LuitvD | OLPC is there already :) |
| 21:26.15 | Kero | rwhitby: thanks |
| 21:26.15 | SpeedEvil | 8 mins to go - if I can get mencoder compiled before then. |
| 21:27.58 | abstrakraft | rwhitby: thanks for the patches, help, etc. - my build has gotten to dropbear, which I believe is further than I've ever gotten before. |
| 21:29.18 | rob_w | please have the video or any file linked to the wiki ,, i want to check tomorrow |
| 21:29.25 | rob_w | sleep well openmoko |
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| 21:47.32 | Elrond | Evening people. |
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| 21:47.40 | SpeedEvil | Ok - it seems to be encoding ok on my shell host - I'm rescaling to 320*240 - as it's not that sharp as to make 640*480 worthwhile |
| 21:47.45 | SpeedEvil | vening. |
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| 21:51.05 | Elrond | counter |
| 21:51.05 | aloril | P0: 3 days 14:08:54 (-2.410 - 3.590 days); P1: 19.590 - 34.590; P2: 187.590 - 217.590 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (402) |
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| 21:55.11 | SpeedEvil | Sigh - anyway - it's encoding, and I'll upload it when it's finished - 15 min (openmoko talk) |
| 21:58.15 | Magon | have anyone experiences with runing moko in xoo |
| 21:58.16 | Magon | ? |
| 22:02.20 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - You any idea, what the changes in GTA01Bv4 are, that LaF0rge mentions in http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/02/20/#20070220-hardware_problems ? |
| 22:07.41 | SpeedEvil | No clue. |
| 22:07.52 | SpeedEvil | was that a few days ago? |
| 22:09.07 | SpeedEvil | I had the impression it was sleep/wake problems. |
| 22:09.19 | SpeedEvil | I don't recall from where. |
| 22:09.41 | SpeedEvil | Sigh - first encoding was too large, re-doing. |
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| 22:14.56 | qailer | Hello people, I've just discovered openmoko and wonder if the Neo1973 device is able to purchase at this moment ...? |
| 22:15.11 | mjr | no |
| 22:15.20 | SpeedEvil | see topic - $350, late march. |
| 22:15.52 | SpeedEvil | Anyone have a clue what stupid I may be performing on youtube - I've confirmed my address, and it keeps taking me back to the 'confirm address' screen, when I try to upload. |
| 22:16.01 | SpeedEvil | the FOSdem talk |
| 22:16.57 | mjr | cookies |
| 22:17.14 | mjr | allow cookies, make sure you open the confirm url in the same browser |
| 22:17.32 | SpeedEvil | nope. |
| 22:17.40 | SpeedEvil | I'll try restarting browser. |
| 22:18.02 | SpeedEvil | Oh, you have to be joking. |
| 22:18.03 | mjr | noticed that when uploading our campaign video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U689sA-QnU |
| 22:18.15 | SpeedEvil | -rw-r--r-- 1 mauve cgiusers 100036922 Feb 25 22:13 tes1.avi |
| 22:18.18 | SpeedEvil | : |
| 22:18.20 | SpeedEvil | ) |
| 22:18.24 | mjr | hah |
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| 22:19.06 | qailer | sry, I have a bad habbit of forgetting to, I see, thanks for reply. I really like the idea of it and will definetly consider to buy one when it's possible. I'm quite bewildered why it doesn't carry wifi... |
| 22:19.47 | mjr | FAQ |
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| 22:49.02 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: eta on upload? |
| 22:50.25 | SpeedEvil | rapidshare.com? |
| 22:50.29 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 22:51.17 | SpeedEvil | Someone else with a faster connection than me now has it - the 100M copy, and is trying uploading to rapidshare. |
| 22:51.38 | SpeedEvil | He can't get youtube login to work ATM either. |
| 22:53.02 | SpeedEvil | It's going up to rapidshare - slowly ;9 |
| 22:53.07 | SpeedEvil | :( |
| 22:53.19 | SpeedEvil | 50 mins. |
| 22:55.39 | denis^da | that's worth waiting :> |
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| 23:00.41 | denis^da | SpeedEvil, will you post the link later on ? |
| 23:03.08 | SpeedEvil | Naah, I'm gonna post it under a random name, so nobody can guess it :) |
| 23:03.21 | SpeedEvil | If I get to it fiorst. |
| 23:03.53 | SpeedEvil | Things are happening with varuious people attempting to download the 100M copy and upload to rapidshre/youtube. |
| 23:04.03 | SpeedEvil | It's at the moment on my shell account, where I can't do that to it. |
| 23:05.40 | SpeedEvil | If you have a fast FTP server, I can ftp it to you. |
| 23:07.57 | denis^da | I'm afraid I haven't got a fast FTP server :/ |
| 23:12.46 | denis^da | they work :> |
| 23:13.21 | SpeedEvil | i/dcc |
| 23:13.34 | SpeedEvil | here - I have port oddness on the shell server. |
| 23:13.37 | SpeedEvil | it's firewalled. |
| 23:13.42 | denis^da | ah ok |
| 23:14.48 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: oh sigh. It playerd in mplayer, Iso I assumed it was OK. |
| 23:17.23 | rwhitby | codec required is FFmpeg/ffdshow ISO MPEG-4 |
| 23:17.23 | Kero | ok, played a bit with DBus. Link added to http://chmeee.dyndns.org/om/ |
| 23:18.53 | SpeedEvil | Sorrt - I just accepted the default codec, checked to see it diddn't look insane, and converted. |
| 23:19.09 | SpeedEvil | I don't have a windows box here. |
| 23:19.29 | SpeedEvil | CoreDump|home : speed? |
| 23:19.41 | CoreDump|home | almost 2Mb/s |
| 23:20.03 | Kero | need to test that quite a bit and get to the session-bus... then dig into the evolution bindings. By that time P1 will happen, but then I can probably whip up some interesting calendar/pim app :) |
| 23:20.29 | CoreDump|home | http://hentges.net/tmp/FOSDEM/ |
| 23:20.51 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: I've passed it to him from my fast server. |
| 23:20.59 | vmaster | CoreDump|home: is it ok to leech from that location? |
| 23:21.07 | CoreDump|home | yep leach away |
| 23:21.28 | vmaster | CoreDump|home: great, thanks |
| 23:26.13 | CoreDump|home | http://hentges.net/tmp/FOSDEM/ <- 66mb version now available as well. Thanks SpeedEvil! |
| 23:26.38 | SpeedEvil | Anyone still using the files, or can I nuke them? |
| 23:26.57 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: I think we've got enough copies now :-) |
| 23:27.02 | denis^da | yeah |
| 23:27.02 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:27.06 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 23:27.13 | denis^da | we should get them up to youtube |
| 23:27.22 | denis^da | and the other video services |
| 23:27.31 | CoreDump|home | denis^da: feel free to do so. My uplink sucks |
| 23:27.34 | SpeedEvil | Sorry for not having a windows box to test the videos on :) |
| 23:27.43 | rwhitby | denis^da: just working out codecs for windows before doing that (don't want 1000 "what codec should I use" messages to the mailing list) |
| 23:27.45 | CoreDump|home | SpeedEvil: they play perfectly w/ xine |
| 23:27.53 | denis^da | I will do that tomorrow morning |
| 23:28.03 | denis^da | at youtube you don't need a codec ;) |
| 23:28.06 | MacNorth | i bet vlc won't have problems for windows folk |
| 23:28.13 | SpeedEvil | Technically, you do. |
| 23:28.18 | SpeedEvil | But it installs it for you. |
| 23:30.04 | rwhitby | Hmm - max youtube video length is 10min |
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| 23:30.20 | SpeedEvil | rapidshare.com |
| 23:30.26 | SpeedEvil | it sucks, but not _too_ badly. |
| 23:30.33 | SpeedEvil | For one file at least. |
| 23:33.15 | DesktopMa | errr |
| 23:33.18 | DesktopMa | work station |
| 23:33.38 | CoreDump|home | bbiab |
| 23:33.55 | DesktopMa | *prays it works on 64 bit* |
| 23:35.11 | DesktopMa | hmm mtn isn't very dual core / quad core friendly |
| 23:35.20 | DesktopMa | 100% on a single core |
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| 23:39.16 | rwhitby | mplayer for windows plays it |
| 23:39.34 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. I wish I could have seen the whole video before coding. |
| 23:39.44 | SpeedEvil | Otherwise I'd have sliced out only the stage. |
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| 23:42.03 | empty_mind | i am confused. which document should i read to understand how to compile a lib and an app for openmoko framework |
| 23:46.25 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1125 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (qt2410-base.patch s3c2410-qt2410-buttons.patch series): |
| 23:46.25 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * add driver for qt2410 buttons (wakeup source). this is really ugly copy+paste |
| 23:46.25 | CIA-7 | openmoko: of something else that's ugly copy+paste, don't look at it. |
| 23:46.25 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * qt2410: remove static partition table and rather use mtdparts |
| 23:46.51 | MacNorth | heh |
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