| 00:01.34 | sixfeet | beta-tester ... phs waiting till v2 ? |
| 00:01.55 | sixfeet | ^^ |
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| 00:33.25 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03werner * r1091 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/nand-dynamic_partitions.patch: |
| 00:33.25 | CIA-7 | openmoko: include/configs/neo1973.h (MTPARTS_DEFAULT): updated to new sizes |
| 00:33.25 | CIA-7 | openmoko: (u-boot: 192k -> 256k, u-boot_env: 8k -> 16k, splash: 2M -> 640k) |
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| 00:47.56 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. I hadn't seen the actual case images (rather than renders) before, with it on. Looks nice. |
| 00:48.00 | SpeedEvil | (the popsci ones) |
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| 01:16.29 | SpeedEvil | *71 |
| 01:16.29 | SpeedEvil | $GPGLL,5613.02,N,00306.78,W*70 |
| 01:16.29 | SpeedEvil | $PGRMZ,370,f,2*1E |
| 01:16.29 | SpeedEvil | $PGRMM,WGS 84*06 |
| 01:16.30 | SpeedEvil | $GPXTE,A,A,,,N*3C |
| 01:16.30 | SpeedEvil | $GPBOD,,T,,M,,*47 |
| 01:16.31 | SpeedEvil | $GPBWC,011607,,,,,,T,,M,,N,*17 |
| 01:16.33 | SpeedEvil | $GPVTG,360.0,T,006.5,M,000.0,N,000.0,K*48 |
| 01:16.35 | SpeedEvil | $GPRMC,011607,A,5613.02,N,00306.78,W,000.0,360.0,240207,006.5,W*7B |
| 01:16.37 | SpeedEvil | $GPRMB,A,,,,,,,,,,,,V*71 |
| 01:16.39 | SpeedEvil | $GPGLL,5613.02,N,00306.78,W*70 |
| 01:16.41 | SpeedEvil | $PGRMZ,370,f,2*1E |
| 01:16.43 | SpeedEvil | oh... |
| 01:16.45 | SpeedEvil | dear |
| 01:16.55 | LoRez | routing a board over irc? |
| 01:17.04 | SpeedEvil | no, GPS. |
| 01:17.34 | high-rez | I thank you for the coordinates, a patriot missile is inbound in 5...4...3...2...1... |
| 01:17.39 | SpeedEvil | I was trying to feed it as a test into a parser. |
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| 02:27.37 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1092 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (series uboot-arm920t-gd_in_irq.patch): add patch to use 'gd' from interrupt context |
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| 02:44.13 | besto | ? |
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| 04:25.19 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r10 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ (openmoko-dates.patch series): Added openmoko-dates svn repo patch |
| 04:25.30 | rwhitby | ok, that works :-) |
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| 04:41.48 | jebba | rwhitby, nice :) |
| 04:44.07 | rwhitby | jebba: please don't commit anything to projects.openmoko.org. MokoMakefile has moved. Unfortunately, I can't give you write access on the other server, but at least you'll be able to get the patches by anon svn from there. |
| 04:44.26 | rwhitby | I'll move it back as soon as anon svn works on projects.openmoko.org |
| 04:45.51 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r11 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Moved MokoMakefile to svn.nslu2-linux.org until anon svn access is fixed on projects.openmoko.org ... |
| 04:46.55 | rwhitby | "make update-makefile" and enjoy the head-building goodness .. |
| 04:47.10 | aevin | gn |
| 04:47.34 | rwhitby | (jebba: you'll need to move away the patches dir, and run "make setup-patches" to get it from the new location) |
| 05:03.08 | jebba | rwhitby, i'm not really comforable committing directly at this point. i'll just run it by you or bugzilla first. |
| 05:04.02 | rwhitby | openmoko doesn't have a bugzilla (it's not part of official openmoko), but you can certainly raise the real bugs (the ones that mokomakefile works around) in the openmoko bugzilla. |
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| 05:19.29 | DukeOfURL | who/what is CIA-7? |
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| 05:26.09 | rwhitby | cia.navi.cx |
| 05:26.48 | rwhitby | e.g. http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/openmoko |
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| 05:42.38 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03werner * r1093 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (boot-menu.patch console-ansi.patch default-env.patch series): |
| 05:42.38 | CIA-7 | openmoko: default-env.patch: provide a central "reset to default environment" function |
| 05:42.38 | CIA-7 | openmoko: console-ansi.patch: add basic ANSI escape sequence processing to cfb-console |
| 05:42.38 | CIA-7 | openmoko: boot-menu.patch: add a boot menu |
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| 06:42.10 | jebba | cool, dillo works in qemu image ;) |
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| 07:11.09 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03werner * r1094 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/ (8 files): First experimental version of the device bringup tool. |
| 07:11.56 | dilinger | hah |
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| 08:33.42 | DesktopMa | hmm some hardcoded url in openmokomakefile that's wrong? |
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| 08:39.31 | DesktopMa | it fails with 404 |
| 09:08.44 | DesktopMa | hello? :P |
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| 09:51.52 | rwhitby | DesktopMa: what is the MokoMakefile problem you were referring to? |
| 09:53.09 | DesktopMa | two secs I'll get the error message |
| 09:54.23 | DesktopMa | it connects to openembedded.org, sends a http request, and get 404 in return |
| 09:54.25 | rwhitby | bbiab (kids to bed) |
| 09:54.28 | DesktopMa | no other output really |
| 09:54.49 | rwhitby | what is the output of mtn --version ? |
| 09:56.24 | DesktopMa | where's mtn? |
| 09:57.08 | DesktopMa | oh, it tries to fetch snapshots/OE-this-is-for-mtn-.mtn.bz2 |
| 09:57.15 | DesktopMa | I assume that's not correct :) |
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| 10:00.32 | DesktopMa | MTN_VERSION is empty |
| 10:00.40 | DesktopMa | so the macro that fetches it must be failing |
| 10:02.02 | rwhitby | did you complete step 1? |
| 10:05.17 | DesktopMa | after adding a symlink to usr/bin/monotone (it's not called mtn here) |
| 10:05.21 | DesktopMa | it outputted version .024 |
| 10:05.23 | DesktopMa | err, 0.24 |
| 10:05.31 | DesktopMa | so too old i guess |
| 10:06.46 | rwhitby | yep, way too old. |
| 10:06.56 | DesktopMa | says "monotone is already newest version" though |
| 10:06.57 | DesktopMa | hmm |
| 10:06.59 | DesktopMa | something's up |
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| 10:09.04 | DesktopMa | 0.24 is newest in ubuntu |
| 10:09.05 | DesktopMa | hmm |
| 10:12.19 | DesktopMa | ok replaced it manually |
| 10:12.21 | DesktopMa | does stuf |
| 10:12.22 | DesktopMa | :) |
| 10:13.46 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r12 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Added check for MTN_VERSION not defined, with helpful error message. |
| 10:14.11 | DesktopMa | might be a note somewhere? Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) requires manual install of newest monotone |
| 10:14.28 | rwhitby | DesktopMa: Please add your note to the web page referenced in step 1. |
| 10:14.40 | DesktopMa | will do |
| 10:17.17 | rwhitby | or perhaps just move the note that is already there to somewhere where you would have seen it ... |
| 10:18.10 | DesktopMa | lol |
| 10:18.29 | DesktopMa | Ubuntu note: Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) requires manual install of newest monotone, Get it from |
| 10:18.29 | DesktopMa | http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/monotone |
| 10:18.35 | DesktopMa | that's pretty much it |
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| 10:21.12 | DesktopMa | I don't have a wiki user, but I'll change it once I wake up (if someone hasn't already) |
| 10:21.17 | DesktopMa | I'll be back later though :) |
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| 10:31.57 | DeVol | hmm one of the biggest problems for the neo seems to be memory |
| 10:32.05 | Magon | DeVol: why? |
| 10:32.24 | DeVol | 64mb flash is hardly enough to put some mp3 or maps on, if you're thiking mp3 player or navigation device |
| 10:32.44 | DeVol | and only usb extension? |
| 10:32.55 | Magon | high volume data have to be on miniSD |
| 10:32.57 | DeVol | i'd have to walk with a neo with a usb memory stick plugged in ? |
| 10:33.15 | DeVol | there is miniSD ? |
| 10:33.21 | Magon | yes |
| 10:33.29 | Magon | dual SIM, miniSD |
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| 10:40.39 | LuitvD | hello |
| 10:42.58 | nibbler_de | hooray for minisd - glad it's not microsd/transflash |
| 10:43.28 | LuitvD | minisd? |
| 10:43.35 | LuitvD | isn't it microsd in the neo? |
| 10:44.21 | DeVol | think so |
| 10:44.58 | DeVol | but isnt one of the SIM slots used for your GSM card ? |
| 10:44.58 | LuitvD | ... |
| 10:45.14 | LuitvD | err. you have a SIM slot for the SIM card, and a MicroSD slot for the MicroSD card... |
| 10:45.21 | LuitvD | or isn't that what you mean? |
| 10:46.48 | buz | neither dual sim nor minisd |
| 10:46.52 | buz | normal sim, microsd |
| 10:47.15 | DeVol | up to 2Gb |
| 10:47.23 | LuitvD | most likely |
| 10:47.35 | LuitvD | at least up to 2GB |
| 10:47.37 | DeVol | + you can add a usb stick i guess |
| 10:47.49 | DeVol | but that makes it even uglier than it already is :) |
| 10:47.52 | LuitvD | yeah, if you add power to the usb plug |
| 10:48.02 | DeVol | oh yeh its unpowered usb :(\ |
| 10:48.05 | LuitvD | the USB host controller is unpowered |
| 10:48.07 | LuitvD | yeah |
| 10:49.49 | LuitvD | but who cares... you can transmit data using BT2.0 |
| 10:49.59 | LuitvD | or GPRS for that matter... |
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| 11:08.01 | buz | good luck finding BT access point on the road tho |
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| 11:08.18 | buz | mhh so when is chinese new year holiday over |
| 11:08.21 | buz | monday? |
| 11:08.42 | mikesh | counter |
| 11:08.42 | LuitvD | now |
| 11:08.42 | aloril | P0: 5 days 00:51:17 (-0.964 - 5.036 days); P1: 21.036 - 36.036; P2: 189.036 - 219.036 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (394) |
| 11:09.03 | LuitvD | buz: a friend of mine in hongkong is back at work today |
| 11:09.27 | LuitvD | buz: and he told me he hasn't seen an e2881 device yet... |
| 11:09.46 | buz | well i think they arent shipping |
| 11:10.01 | LuitvD | as well as any other e28 device |
| 11:10.08 | buz | that is rather bad |
| 11:10.13 | LuitvD | so I think he isn't interested.. :P |
| 11:10.24 | LuitvD | I think he just doesn't look at those device |
| 11:10.25 | LuitvD | s |
| 11:10.33 | buz | then again it is a somewhat obscure device |
| 11:10.43 | LuitvD | http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k90/crunchgear/February%202007/IMGP0218.jpg |
| 11:10.44 | LuitvD | lol |
| 11:10.48 | LuitvD | it's held upside-down |
| 11:11.53 | DeVol | why the curved sides |
| 11:11.57 | DeVol | seems like a waste of space to me |
| 11:12.34 | buz | yes |
| 11:13.05 | buz | i want that e2881 so bad |
| 11:13.27 | LuitvD | meh... I'm not even sure anymore |
| 11:13.33 | buz | why |
| 11:13.42 | buz | if it could run openmoko, it would be the perfect device |
| 11:13.47 | LuitvD | yeah |
| 11:13.51 | LuitvD | but |
| 11:13.57 | LuitvD | we're not even sure about that yet |
| 11:14.08 | LuitvD | and we don't know what happens if we brick an e2881 |
| 11:14.21 | LuitvD | (the neo1973 can be unbricked by JTAG) |
| 11:14.23 | buz | we must find a way to boot from sd without bricking it |
| 11:14.35 | buz | kexec would help |
| 11:14.42 | LuitvD | why kexec? |
| 11:14.48 | LuitvD | it most likely uses u-boot |
| 11:14.49 | buz | cause you can replace kernel on the fly with it |
| 11:15.03 | buz | yeah but you wont have sd support in uboot |
| 11:15.16 | LuitvD | are you sure? |
| 11:15.21 | buz | i very much doubt it |
| 11:15.22 | LuitvD | the neo has... |
| 11:15.29 | buz | are you sure? |
| 11:15.33 | LuitvD | yeah :) |
| 11:15.41 | LuitvD | quite sure |
| 11:15.50 | LuitvD | u-boot can do quite much... |
| 11:16.26 | buz | actually it seems it can do it |
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| 11:17.10 | buz | how do they get the firmware on the device in the factory, anyway? |
| 11:17.16 | LuitvD | I hope the e2881 can load it's kernel and initrd from microSD |
| 11:17.17 | buz | temporary jtag? |
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| 11:17.49 | LuitvD | I think they flash it using either a normal flash programmer, or a jtag programmer |
| 11:18.51 | buz | can you even connect to current nand flash chips without soldering them first? |
| 11:19.09 | LuitvD | err... |
| 11:19.11 | LuitvD | not sure |
| 11:19.31 | buz | and when they are soldered in, the flash programmer probably wont work |
| 11:19.37 | buz | so there is probably jtag |
| 11:19.40 | LuitvD | ... |
| 11:19.42 | LuitvD | not true |
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| 11:20.29 | LuitvD | you can design the pcb so you can access the needed pins to flash it |
| 11:20.52 | buz | in any case, there should be a way to reflash the damn thing |
| 11:21.00 | buz | and usually they can be updated, anyhow |
| 11:21.08 | LuitvD | yeah... |
| 11:21.18 | LuitvD | probably the same way the neo can be reprogrammed |
| 11:21.22 | LuitvD | through USB |
| 11:22.36 | buz | then again, do we really need to mess with the kernel? |
| 11:22.40 | buz | all we really need is getting root |
| 11:22.58 | LuitvD | ... |
| 11:23.01 | LuitvD | not sure |
| 11:23.23 | buz | i wonder if openmoko could run on 2.4 |
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| 11:23.33 | buz | it should, but not sure |
| 11:23.48 | LuitvD | ... |
| 11:24.17 | LuitvD | we'll see... or we won't :P |
| 11:24.17 | buz | damn right |
| 11:25.24 | buz | nooow, if we could get openmoko onto toshiba g900 |
| 11:25.33 | buz | that would be a worty cause |
| 11:25.41 | LuitvD | :) |
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| 11:27.22 | buz | i wonder if there are any specs for other toshiba phones |
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| 12:02.40 | Fletch | counter |
| 12:02.41 | aloril | P0: 4 days 23:57:19 (-1.002 - 4.998 days); P1: 20.998 - 35.998; P2: 188.998 - 218.998 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (395) |
| 12:03.33 | xkr47 | + counting ;) |
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| 12:17.28 | LuitvD | hello xkr47 and Fletch |
| 12:17.51 | xkr47 | yo LuitvD |
| 12:18.17 | LuitvD | are you one of the 50 lucky basterd waiting for p0? |
| 12:18.26 | LuitvD | s/terd/terds/ |
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| 12:20.32 | c5jr | hello |
| 12:20.46 | LuitvD | good afternoon |
| 12:21.01 | c5jr | Good evening :) it is 19:20 here in BKK |
| 12:21.23 | mattions | good morning.. :) |
| 12:21.46 | c5jr | Regardless of what time it is, I figure it is probably hottest here. |
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| 12:23.03 | xkr47 | LuitvD: no, I'm one of the lucky 10000 bastards waiting for p1 :) |
| 12:23.12 | LuitvD | lool |
| 12:23.22 | c5jr | I don't know, it is only 31C now |
| 12:23.22 | xkr47 | I'm also a lucky bastard because I bought my first own flat yesterday! :) |
| 12:23.29 | c5jr | Earlier today it was like 37C |
| 12:23.35 | LuitvD | good for you! how big is it? |
| 12:23.37 | c5jr | Anyway, I have checked out openmoko a little bit... Relevant background is many years of linux experience incl with moto ezx phones |
| 12:23.41 | xkr47 | 47mē :) |
| 12:23.46 | LuitvD | niiice |
| 12:23.58 | c5jr | And I am interested in what separates openmoko from openezx type work? |
| 12:23.59 | xkr47 | my nick knew that 10 years ago already :) |
| 12:24.33 | LuitvD | c5jr: if you want to find out more about moko, look at the wiki :) |
| 12:24.52 | LuitvD | xkr47: where did you get the 47 from then? |
| 12:25.00 | c5jr | I've done that a bit. |
| 12:25.13 | LuitvD | c5jr: then do some more :) |
| 12:25.21 | xkr47 | my nick is entirely random keystrokes |
| 12:25.31 | c5jr | Thank you for being so welcoming to potential contributors :) |
| 12:25.45 | xkr47 | after a few attempts, I got xkr~47.. I removed the ~ because irc doesn't allow it :) |
| 12:25.47 | LuitvD | c5jr: most of the more important people are at FOSDEM... so ... |
| 12:25.55 | c5jr | meh lucky them |
| 12:25.55 | LuitvD | xkr47: lol, that's odd |
| 12:26.11 | LuitvD | c5jr: yeah... maybe I'll just drop by too... |
| 12:26.15 | LuitvD | :) |
| 12:26.18 | c5jr | IDK I'd still rather be here in Bangkok |
| 12:26.26 | LuitvD | why? |
| 12:26.35 | c5jr | Good weather, good food, and so on. |
| 12:26.38 | c5jr | Great chicks, too. |
| 12:26.39 | xkr47 | random nick is great, a google search only shows stuff really related to you (and some few base64 encoded texts :) |
| 12:26.41 | c5jr | If you swing that way. |
| 12:26.44 | LuitvD | :) |
| 12:27.05 | c5jr | Decent work, if you can stand some of the things about Thai culture. |
| 12:27.21 | c5jr | Such as coups, and martial law. |
| 12:27.39 | c5jr | Anyway, maybe I'll try back once FOSDEM is over. |
| 12:29.37 | Magon | can anyone help me a bit with OE? |
| 12:29.48 | LuitvD | xkr47: my brother had something similar :) he somehow got to the word "glbebr" |
| 12:30.00 | Magon | i have builded openmoko-devel-image for x86 and now seeking for the binaries |
| 12:30.11 | LuitvD | xkr47: the only google hit by that time was a GLass BEad BRacelet :) |
| 12:30.16 | Magon | but cannot find any..it builds just ipk files or rootfs also? |
| 12:30.37 | LuitvD | Magon: how are you building? |
| 12:30.53 | Magon | bitbake openmoko-devel-image |
| 12:31.36 | LuitvD | Magon: I think the anonymous subversion server won't work properly... does bitbake exit correctly? or does it leave you with an error? |
| 12:31.47 | Magon | exit correctly |
| 12:31.56 | Magon | all is builded |
| 12:31.59 | LuitvD | how odd... |
| 12:32.11 | Magon | i had corrected few bugs |
| 12:32.21 | Magon | ie openmoko-dates |
| 12:32.39 | LuitvD | hmm... i have no idea... |
| 12:32.52 | Magon | what does it make for you? |
| 12:33.23 | LuitvD | it doesn't :P |
| 12:34.18 | Magon | it doesnt build? |
| 12:35.16 | denis^da | Does anybody know if there are some other pictures available of the Neo except the new ones from http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/af9aa618ea7c0110vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html ? |
| 12:35.44 | denis^da | I know the Gizmodo ones |
| 12:36.03 | denis^da | but pictures comparing the size of the Neo to other phones would be nice |
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| 12:37.18 | LuitvD | those popsci pictures are the only new ones I've seen... |
| 12:37.28 | LuitvD | oh wait, linuxdevices had some new ones I guess.. |
| 12:37.32 | LuitvD | of the orange one? |
| 12:37.41 | LuitvD | not sure if those were new pictures though... |
| 12:38.08 | LuitvD | I really like those first and second pictures of popsci |
| 12:38.41 | LuitvD | stefan|embeddedr: embedded what? |
| 12:39.08 | LarstiQ | hmm, could take pictures here at fosdem I guess. |
| 12:39.24 | stefan|embeddedr | LuitvD: Fosdem embedded room |
| 12:39.34 | LuitvD | :) |
| 12:39.35 | stefan|embeddedr | Waiting for 'porting driver to 2.6' talk |
| 12:39.48 | LuitvD | how is fosdem sofar? |
| 12:40.01 | denis^da | yeah that would be cool LarstiQ . Some shots which show the Neo next to another Smartphone would be nice. |
| 12:40.13 | LuitvD | stefan|embeddedr: have you been to the beerparty? |
| 12:40.36 | LuitvD | LarstiQ: yeah, please do :D |
| 12:40.39 | xkr47 | LuitvD: :) |
| 12:40.52 | LuitvD | LarstiQ: try to change my mind with magic pictures :) |
| 12:41.08 | stefan|embeddedr | fluffs: You can fetch one in the embedded room from me if you like. |
| 12:41.10 | denis^da | LuitvD, whats your mind ? :D |
| 12:41.13 | LuitvD | xkr47: http://www.tibetana.com/images/glbebr.jpg << those are the glass bead bracelets, the first glbebr :) |
| 12:41.18 | stefan|embeddedr | LuitvD: Yes |
| 12:41.36 | LuitvD | denis^da: I'm doubtful about buying a neo1973 |
| 12:41.55 | LuitvD | denis^da: I still can't choose between Neo1973 and E2881 |
| 12:42.11 | LarstiQ | LuitvD: now I just need to acquire a photo making device ;) |
| 12:42.20 | LuitvD | stefan|embeddedr: which belgian beer did they serve? |
| 12:42.28 | LuitvD | LarstiQ: lol :) |
| 12:43.03 | LuitvD | LarstiQ: then try to combine http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/af9aa618ea7c0110vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd/2.html and the previous picture :) |
| 12:43.04 | LarstiQ | fluffs: that's at 17:00, right? |
| 12:43.28 | stefan|embeddedr | fluffs: It's in the other building. |
| 12:43.32 | denis^da | LarstiQ, you will find a photo camera at FOSDEM for sure _D |
| 12:43.53 | LuitvD | hmm... if I'd leave now, I might be able to be there for the openmoko talk... |
| 12:44.23 | stefan|embeddedr | fluffs, LarstiQ: Be carefull with the openmoko talk. Perhaps they move into another room. To many people like to see the talk. Not sure yet. |
| 12:44.35 | LuitvD | :) |
| 12:44.44 | LarstiQ | stefan|embeddedr: figures |
| 12:44.49 | stefan|embeddedr | fluffs: If you enter the building just always ro right. |
| 12:45.02 | LuitvD | stefan|embeddedr: it's easy to tell why so many people want to see it :) |
| 12:45.22 | stefan|embeddedr | right |
| 12:46.06 | LuitvD | stefan|embeddedr: can you check, and if needed make sure, that one of these will be at the openmoko talk? http://www.fosdem.org/2007/announcement/video |
| 12:46.08 | LuitvD | :) |
| 12:46.15 | LuitvD | then I can see the talk too |
| 12:47.31 | stefan|embeddedr | LuitvD: If I understand correctly they only make videos in the both main rooms |
| 12:47.45 | LuitvD | lol, stefan|embeddedr: the beer-evend was flooded I hear? |
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| 12:48.03 | LuitvD | total bill of 3k euros? |
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| 12:48.25 | stefan|embeddedr | LuitvD: 5,1K |
| 12:48.30 | LuitvD | :D |
| 12:48.33 | stefan|embeddedr | LuitvD: And yes, totally flooded |
| 12:49.20 | SpeedEvil | widow size 30 |
| 12:49.22 | LuitvD | lol, did you do the fosdem dance yet? |
| 12:49.26 | SpeedEvil | sigh. |
| 12:49.39 | LuitvD | :P |
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| 12:51.30 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: what? |
| 12:51.30 | greentux|fosdem | Koen train? :-) |
| 12:53.01 | SpeedEvil | LuitvD: I was trying to type /window size 30 |
| 12:53.08 | LuitvD | :P |
| 12:53.15 | SpeedEvil | To make the Openmoko window 30 lines high. |
| 12:53.41 | LuitvD | can anyone please make sure there's someone video-ing the moko talk? :( |
| 12:54.09 | LuitvD | looking at fosdem 2006 video's now... wanna see the right ones this year |
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| 12:56.01 | PBeck | hi |
| 12:58.25 | greentux|fosdem | I hope there are free seats in the moko talk. |
| 12:59.33 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1095 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (3 files): split 'MISCCR' definitions to separate patch |
| 13:00.23 | LuitvD | LaF0rge: patching from fosdem? :P |
| 13:01.18 | greentux|fosdem | Laforge seems to be not here |
| 13:01.48 | LuitvD | ah, okay... |
| 13:02.07 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1096 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-s3c2410_udc.patch: |
| 13:02.07 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * add proper handling of control write transfers |
| 13:02.08 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * use u-boot standard 'debug' function instead of private macros |
| 13:02.08 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * introduce 'neo1973 udc pullup' command |
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| 13:03.22 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1097 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-dfu.patch: * bring DFU code to a state where it reliably supports UPLOAd from all partitions and download into RAM |
| 13:03.49 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1098 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-neo1973-resume.patch: remove MISCCR definitions in resume patch |
| 13:04.01 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1099 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/series: comment out all 'suspicious' patches |
| 13:04.14 | LuitvD | :) |
| 13:04.30 | buz | probably got of the plane or something |
| 13:05.58 | PBeck | have anybody a answer to the thread about the Schematics/PCB? Will the be availableà |
| 13:06.07 | PBeck | *available |
| 13:06.35 | SpeedEvil | There have been no answers yet. |
| 13:06.38 | buz | i doubt it |
| 13:06.41 | SpeedEvil | I suspect probably not. |
| 13:06.43 | buz | but i dont know |
| 13:07.00 | SpeedEvil | There is little that's really needed IMO. |
| 13:07.09 | SpeedEvil | What were you thinking of? |
| 13:07.14 | rwhitby | they've never said they would be. the schematics are owned by FIC, not OpenMoko Inc. |
| 13:07.48 | PBeck | i ask only, because one have ask on the mailinglist ;) But it would be nice ;) |
| 13:08.17 | rwhitby | yes, it would be nice. but don't hold your breath waiting :-) |
| 13:08.31 | SpeedEvil | Personally, I don't much care, as anything interesting - I2C - is going to be easy to pull off the LM4857 or whatever. |
| 13:09.14 | PBeck | a few geeks would be use the hardware access to many interesting things so i hope that will be available |
| 13:09.21 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 13:09.23 | PBeck | :D |
| 13:09.58 | PBeck | our Multimedia-Geek-Phone ;) |
| 13:10.09 | SpeedEvil | The only thing I'd really like as an external connector would be: I2C, USB, bat V+, Ground, brought out to a socket in the back. |
| 13:10.28 | PBeck | yes that would be very nice :D |
| 13:10.28 | SpeedEvil | Maybe ... 9, 10 lines. |
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| 13:10.37 | fluffs | stefan|embeddedr: where are you sat? |
| 13:10.52 | PBeck | we have a usb mini connector in |
| 13:11.09 | SpeedEvil | There is one, but it's not really accessible from an add-on back. |
| 13:11.28 | PBeck | because it is unpowered? |
| 13:11.41 | PBeck | or what you mean? |
| 13:11.43 | buz | no because its at the side |
| 13:11.44 | SpeedEvil | No, because it would mean a stubby cable going round the side. |
| 13:12.31 | SpeedEvil | I'm meaning a simple replacement back cover, that's 5mm or so thicker, and does 'stuff'. |
| 13:13.07 | PBeck | ah ok you mean that ^^ |
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| 13:14.57 | PBeck | the developers become the phone without the case, or? |
| 13:15.39 | LuitvD | noo... |
| 13:15.45 | SpeedEvil | The phone comes with a case. |
| 13:15.52 | SpeedEvil | With a 'flat' back. |
| 13:15.59 | LuitvD | it's just that some people want extra functions in it |
| 13:16.05 | SpeedEvil | I'm wondering about a modified back, with extra functions. |
| 13:16.12 | LuitvD | and are planning on developing a special backplate |
| 13:16.14 | PBeck | why give it than only so less photos? |
| 13:16.18 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: lol, sorry :P |
| 13:16.36 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Expansion_Back |
| 13:16.41 | LuitvD | yeah :) |
| 13:16.50 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: so what would you like to have in there? |
| 13:16.57 | SpeedEvil | Personally. |
| 13:17.05 | SpeedEvil | SD card fullsized slot. |
| 13:17.09 | LuitvD | all that's in [[Expension Back]]? |
| 13:17.14 | SpeedEvil | at least. |
| 13:17.27 | LuitvD | :P |
| 13:17.28 | SpeedEvil | Probably several switches, and an LED or two. |
| 13:17.33 | LuitvD | why leds? |
| 13:17.37 | SpeedEvil | Status. |
| 13:17.38 | LuitvD | just for status indication? |
| 13:17.50 | LuitvD | status of what |
| 13:17.51 | SpeedEvil | And to do a knight rider impression :) |
| 13:18.04 | LuitvD | what would you like to read out of 2 or 3 lights? |
| 13:18.21 | SpeedEvil | email status, wifi/bluetooth/gprs/... |
| 13:18.31 | LuitvD | actually... it'd be hard to get a whole bunch of leds in there, but it should be possible |
| 13:18.32 | SpeedEvil | Of course a small USB wifi dongle. |
| 13:18.44 | PBeck | the capacity of the accu for example |
| 13:18.54 | SpeedEvil | With I2C, you can trivially put hundreds on there. But the battery is an issue. |
| 13:18.58 | LuitvD | if the PCB design allows you to acces the I2C bus, then you're practically done already... |
| 13:19.04 | SpeedEvil | A small flashing LED is not a large power draw. |
| 13:19.16 | SpeedEvil | If it's annoying, then worst case, USB can be used. |
| 13:19.29 | SpeedEvil | Or the vibrator motor output. |
| 13:19.39 | LuitvD | yeah... probably... |
| 13:19.59 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1100 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/series: re-enable obviously unrelated patches |
| 13:20.00 | PBeck | why give it so few photos of the neo1973, when any developer get the case? |
| 13:20.12 | SpeedEvil | There are currently very few cases. |
| 13:20.15 | LuitvD | maybe some people would like dip switches to configure certain things ... |
| 13:20.26 | LuitvD | very small switches... |
| 13:20.30 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: how you mean? |
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| 13:20.44 | PBeck | only Sean have a case? |
| 13:20.56 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1101 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/series: too early :( back out bootmeny due to default_env() dependency |
| 13:21.01 | LuitvD | PBeck: not all the current prototyping devices have cases... |
| 13:21.25 | LuitvD | PBeck: the real prototyping devices (the Phase 0 devices) will be ready in a week |
| 13:21.29 | SpeedEvil | LuitvD: I want to try a thumbstick on the back. |
| 13:21.42 | PBeck | 14:15:45 < SpeedEvil> The phone comes with a case. |
| 13:21.44 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: yeah, that'd be cool :) |
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| 13:21.47 | PBeck | that have confused me |
| 13:22.25 | LuitvD | PBeck: the current devices aren't actual release devices |
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| 13:22.26 | LuitvD | PBeck: within 5 days the first real (complete) prototypes will be shipped |
| 13:22.38 | LuitvD | and in a month, you can order one yourself |
| 13:22.45 | LuitvD | for $350 |
| 13:22.47 | PBeck | i thought the developers get the phone already |
| 13:22.57 | LuitvD | some do |
| 13:23.12 | SpeedEvil | very few - 5? |
| 13:23.14 | LuitvD | some more important people, and some lucky basterds |
| 13:23.22 | PBeck | ok but the official phase 0 begin at the 11 March? |
| 13:23.28 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: that'd be my estimate too |
| 13:23.48 | LuitvD | PBeck: that's not certain yet... there were some hardware issues found a couple of days ago |
| 13:23.58 | LuitvD | PBeck: but most likely within 5 days |
| 13:24.12 | PBeck | ok thats good :) |
| 13:24.32 | LuitvD | PBeck: 50 of those phase 0 devices will go out to 50 developers for free... :( |
| 13:25.25 | PBeck | i will order a phone too, and hope that it will be a success and FIC works on addition phones :) |
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| 13:25.55 | LuitvD | lol, the mokomakefile created over 250 000 files :D |
| 13:26.07 | LuitvD | PBeck: oh they will... |
| 13:26.49 | rwhitby | LuitvD: how many were you expecting? |
| 13:26.55 | PBeck | LuitvD: i hope they make a good job, that i can use the phone as i like ;) |
| 13:27.14 | PBeck | LuitvD: that sounds good, i hope you are right ;) |
| 13:27.16 | LuitvD | rwhitby: how many files? |
| 13:27.34 | LuitvD | rwhitby: not a quarter of a million files :) |
| 13:27.41 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. Stick on back actually seems to work quite well. Hold the phone as you would to make a call - with your fingers and thumb round the edge. The finger next to the thumb easily moves over to the middle of the device to run a stick. |
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| 13:29.03 | PBeck | which color should the phone have for you SpeedEvil ;) |
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| 13:30.38 | PBeck | http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/af9aa618ea7c0110vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html <= grey is anyhow nice too ;) |
| 13:30.57 | PBeck | but orange too :P |
| 13:31.01 | PBeck | argh thats a problem ;) |
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| 13:31.34 | LuitvD | PBeck: you like the white-orange version? |
| 13:32.04 | PBeck | i think that version nice too ;) |
| 13:32.17 | PBeck | i think many versions cool :P |
| 13:32.57 | LuitvD | I'd love to see graphite+orange :) |
| 13:33.21 | PBeck | graphite? |
| 13:33.38 | SpeedEvil | Camo! |
| 13:33.45 | LuitvD | PBeck: black! |
| 13:34.02 | PBeck | ok |
| 13:34.07 | LuitvD | PBeck: graphite = a slight bit lighter then black |
| 13:34.19 | LuitvD | which the 'black' FIC Neo1973 is |
| 13:34.41 | PBeck | http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/fic_neo1973_orange_4views.jpg <= orange-white :) |
| 13:34.58 | LuitvD | seen that :) |
| 13:35.01 | SpeedEvil | Those are just renderings though, I'm pretty sure. |
| 13:35.13 | SpeedEvil | I think the only actual case shot in detail is the one at popsci. |
| 13:35.14 | LuitvD | but I'd still like that orange on the black device |
| 13:35.25 | PBeck | LuitvD: sound nice, but i musst look first at the device ,) |
| 13:36.08 | LuitvD | http://www.engadget.com/photos/openmoko-neo1973/ |
| 13:36.10 | PBeck | LuitvD: have you seen a photo allready or a rendering? |
| 13:36.27 | LuitvD | popsci has nice pictures of the black device |
| 13:36.34 | SpeedEvil | http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/af9aa618ea7c0110vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html |
| 13:37.06 | LuitvD | that one :) |
| 13:37.11 | PBeck | yes that pictures are very nice :) |
| 13:37.16 | LuitvD | and the next picture, showing the device booting up |
| 13:37.32 | LuitvD | I'd like to see a more graphic boot procedure though... |
| 13:38.34 | PBeck | LuitvD: yes that would be nice. Have you read the post to the thread with the screens? ;) |
| 13:38.39 | SpeedEvil | It'll happen. |
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| 13:40.06 | PBeck | i think gradually that the grey-version is cooler ;) |
| 13:40.46 | PBeck | but i musst seen all pictures, than can i decide which i will buy ^^ |
| 13:41.33 | PBeck | btw is my english very bad? corrections ever welcome ;) |
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| 13:43.07 | Chapay | hello can i install openmoko on nokia 6630 !? |
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| 13:43.53 | LuitvD | Chapay: you can try... |
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| 13:45.18 | LuitvD | Chapay: if you can brick your 6630, then you can probably make it run some sort of linux |
| 13:46.20 | Chapay | And who be tried?! |
| 13:46.21 | Chapay | LuitvD: yes it be so cool ^) |
| 13:46.21 | gandoo | I have a 6630 :D |
| 13:46.22 | Chapay | LuitvD: yes it be so cool ^) |
| 13:46.25 | Chapay | LuitvD: yes it be so cool :) |
| 13:46.52 | Chapay | gandoo: :) And still it was not tempted!? |
| 13:46.55 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1102 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (series wakeup-reason-nand-only.patch): merge and activate wakeup-reason-nand-only.patch, it's not the culprit |
| 13:48.37 | gandoo | sorry? |
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| 13:49.56 | gandoo | can openmoko run on 6630???? |
| 13:50.02 | Chapay | yes |
| 13:50.15 | Chapay | you can !& |
| 13:50.17 | Chapay | you can !? |
| 13:50.20 | gandoo | there is a tutorial or similar? |
| 13:51.04 | Chapay | gandoo: sorry ? |
| 13:51.57 | gandoo | sorry but am italian and I don't speak and understand english very well... ok? :( |
| 13:52.56 | Chapay | gandoo: but i from russia :) and not whery well understand english to :) |
| 13:53.03 | Chapay | Excuse but it is time to me to run on a meeting of LUG |
| 13:53.13 | gandoo | ok |
| 13:53.20 | gandoo | see you soon |
| 13:53.22 | gandoo | bye :D |
| 13:53.26 | Chapay | by |
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| 13:59.58 | gandoo | +n |
| 14:00.17 | PBeck | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List <= i am number 100 :P |
| 14:01.34 | tg | haha;> |
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| 14:03.35 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:04.23 | gandoo | where the shipping start? |
| 14:05.14 | SpeedEvil | Peobably some time very late march. |
| 14:05.25 | greentux|fosdem | I assume im taiwan |
| 14:05.48 | gandoo | ok, thank you :) |
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| 14:16.30 | _-InFeRnO-_ | hello |
| 14:16.35 | _-InFeRnO-_ | anyone give me the configure for |
| 14:17.19 | _-InFeRnO-_ | *searching* |
| 14:17.37 | _-InFeRnO-_ | openmoko/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-battery |
| 14:17.40 | _-InFeRnO-_ | thanks |
| 14:17.52 | _-InFeRnO-_ | autoreconf is useless on FreeBSD |
| 14:18.54 | _-InFeRnO-_ | pleasew |
| 14:19.14 | thresh | why is it useless? |
| 14:19.27 | _-InFeRnO-_ | it doesn't work |
| 14:19.35 | _-InFeRnO-_ | it creates an useless makefile |
| 14:19.43 | _-InFeRnO-_ | only at the second run |
| 14:19.49 | _-InFeRnO-_ | configure, not makefile |
| 14:19.52 | thresh | configure creates makefiles |
| 14:19.54 | _-InFeRnO-_ | yes |
| 14:20.11 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i know |
| 14:20.19 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i'm not that stupid ;) |
| 14:20.24 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1103 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (series uboot-neo1973-resume.patch): |
| 14:20.24 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * we always have to configure UPLLCON when reconfiguring MPLLCON (!) |
| 14:20.24 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * re-enable uboot-neo1973-resume.patch |
| 14:20.31 | _-InFeRnO-_ | what i need is, configure |
| 14:21.11 | _-InFeRnO-_ | it's a 1 minute job to fetch from SVN and generate the configure |
| 14:24.07 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1104 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-cmd_s3c2410.patch: * we always have to re-configure UPLL when reconfiguring MPLL |
| 14:27.46 | _-InFeRnO-_ | please |
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| 14:34.24 | _-InFeRnO-_ | please |
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| 14:41.07 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ne1 |
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| 14:43.26 | LuitvD | I have no idea how to get you that |
| 14:43.27 | LuitvD | sorry |
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| 15:07.18 | _-InFeRnO-_ | I need the configure file generated by trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-battery/autogen.sh |
| 15:07.43 | _-InFeRnO-_ | anybody who has the source code can do this |
| 15:08.43 | LuitvD | which files are generated by that script? |
| 15:09.00 | _-InFeRnO-_ | configure |
| 15:09.05 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i need only it |
| 15:09.16 | LuitvD | only ./configure? |
| 15:09.19 | _-InFeRnO-_ | yes |
| 15:09.25 | LuitvD | I have that I guess... |
| 15:09.35 | _-InFeRnO-_ | 10x |
| 15:09.39 | LuitvD | oh wait... |
| 15:09.43 | LuitvD | configure.ac only... |
| 15:09.51 | LuitvD | it hasn't ran yet... |
| 15:10.11 | _-InFeRnO-_ | well you can run it without the last line |
| 15:10.21 | _-InFeRnO-_ | (which starts configure itself) |
| 15:10.33 | _-InFeRnO-_ | run autogen, i mean |
| 15:13.44 | _-InFeRnO-_ | is there any problem? |
| 15:14.41 | LuitvD | just trying some other things first |
| 15:15.27 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ok |
| 15:15.28 | _-InFeRnO-_ | np |
| 15:17.13 | LuitvD | ./autogen.sh: 2: autoreconf: not found |
| 15:17.19 | LuitvD | :( |
| 15:17.31 | LuitvD | something strange happening here.. |
| 15:17.38 | _-InFeRnO-_ | hm |
| 15:17.42 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i had the same |
| 15:17.54 | _-InFeRnO-_ | it turned out to be autoreconf259 |
| 15:18.26 | LuitvD | I guess the mokomakefile will bump into it eventually... |
| 15:18.31 | thresh | cant see any photos/screenshots with keyboard |
| 15:18.39 | LuitvD | thresh: keyboard? |
| 15:18.53 | LuitvD | what keyboard do you mean? |
| 15:19.24 | thresh | osd one, i assume |
| 15:19.24 | _-InFeRnO-_ | the autogen way is stupid - it adds redundant dependancies |
| 15:19.25 | LuitvD | thresh: ah, that... |
| 15:19.25 | LuitvD | thresh: I haven't seen any pictures of the graphic interface on a real device yet... |
| 15:19.32 | LuitvD | only terminal shots |
| 15:20.49 | thresh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:23.04 | PBeck | i hope many developer will make photos :D |
| 15:24.03 | PBeck | or one make a lot of photos ^^ |
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| 15:34.46 | Kero | number 101 on the Buying Interest page :) when was that page launched? |
| 15:35.04 | LuitvD | about a week ago? |
| 15:35.10 | LuitvD | look at the history ;) |
| 15:35.49 | LuitvD | february the 16th |
| 15:36.01 | LuitvD | a week and one day ago |
| 15:37.04 | Kero | then 101 ppl doesn't seem very many ? |
| 15:37.54 | LuitvD | not? |
| 15:38.48 | Kero | worldwide? |
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| 15:39.13 | Kero | otoh, it's phase1, not mass-market :) |
| 15:39.22 | LuitvD | yeah |
| 15:40.54 | PBeck | Kero: cool 101 ;) |
| 15:41.00 | SpeedEvil | 101 people - of those that have actually looked at the wiki in reasonable depth. |
| 15:41.11 | SpeedEvil | Not just skimmed it - as it's not _that_ prominent, |
| 15:41.18 | SpeedEvil | s/./,/ |
| 15:42.30 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: yes but it is also officiall |
| 15:42.37 | PBeck | *official |
| 15:42.44 | PBeck | +not |
| 15:42.45 | SpeedEvil | It's not official. |
| 15:42.49 | LuitvD | lol |
| 15:42.53 | Kero | SpeedEvil: actually, I search for a page to put my name on, because of the topic in this channel :) |
| 15:43.08 | Kero | Had looked at the wiki somewhat in depth already. |
| 15:43.20 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: my typo :P |
| 15:43.25 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 15:43.39 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: two in one sentence ahhh :P |
| 15:44.01 | PBeck | and its only a interest list |
| 15:44.29 | PBeck | no commitments |
| 15:48.54 | Kero | certainly. so some ppl on that list won't buy, others not on the list will buy. |
| 15:49.00 | LuitvD | I'm on that list too, and not even sure anymore, because of the e2881 |
| 15:49.42 | SpeedEvil | I have real doubts that e2881 will be helpful. |
| 15:49.50 | LuitvD | me too |
| 15:49.51 | SpeedEvil | I mean, look at the Motorola A1200 announcement. |
| 15:50.00 | SpeedEvil | All fanfare, little substance. |
| 15:50.01 | LuitvD | but it's fun to try anyways :) |
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| 15:52.07 | LuitvD | it's ARM based, has aGPS too, does have WiFi, has a camera... |
| 15:52.17 | LuitvD | I'd really like to see that run openmoko... |
| 15:54.29 | PBeck | yeah the E2881 is cool and have a great design |
| 15:54.31 | _-InFeRnO-_ | it doesn't have touchscreen |
| 15:54.37 | LuitvD | it does |
| 15:54.49 | LuitvD | and it's thin, has a nice design |
| 15:54.58 | PBeck | wifi and camera are cool |
| 15:55.03 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i talk about the A1200 |
| 15:55.10 | PBeck | wish for the Neo1973 :( |
| 15:55.16 | _-InFeRnO-_ | Camera is a must |
| 15:55.23 | _-InFeRnO-_ | and untill Neo1973 has it |
| 15:55.27 | LuitvD | the only thing that's worse, but not exactly 'bad', is that it's QVGA instead of VGA (e2881) |
| 15:55.30 | PBeck | _-InFeRnO-_: we talk about the E2881 |
| 15:55.35 | _-InFeRnO-_ | yes |
| 15:55.54 | _-InFeRnO-_ | it will be light years behind it |
| 15:56.07 | PBeck | :( |
| 15:56.13 | _-InFeRnO-_ | well, VGA is way overkill |
| 15:56.28 | _-InFeRnO-_ | (tiny screen with relatively large DPI) |
| 15:56.55 | _-InFeRnO-_ | QVGA is fine |
| 15:57.13 | LuitvD | yeah... |
| 15:57.16 | LuitvD | but VGA just owns |
| 15:57.19 | SpeedEvil | I think there is a borderline somewhere between QVGA and VGA where the limit is. |
| 15:57.24 | LuitvD | nah |
| 15:57.27 | LuitvD | VGA is awesome |
| 15:57.33 | _-InFeRnO-_ | yes |
| 15:57.39 | _-InFeRnO-_ | but it's useless for a phone |
| 15:58.14 | LuitvD | not really... |
| 15:58.17 | LuitvD | well |
| 15:58.18 | SpeedEvil | How often do you use 5*7 fonts on your normal computer. |
| 15:58.27 | LuitvD | for a phone it is, but the neo is so much more then a phone |
| 15:58.30 | loufoque | _-InFeRnO-_: it is not |
| 15:58.37 | LuitvD | :) |
| 15:58.42 | _-InFeRnO-_ | yes |
| 15:58.46 | _-InFeRnO-_ | but it's overkill |
| 15:58.51 | LuitvD | and I have no problems with 200+ dpi... |
| 15:58.54 | _-InFeRnO-_ | qvga would have done just fine |
| 15:58.59 | _-InFeRnO-_ | yes |
| 15:59.05 | _-InFeRnO-_ | but testing |
| 15:59.22 | LuitvD | i'd love 285dpi |
| 15:59.31 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i'd love 90 dpi |
| 15:59.40 | LuitvD | though i'd love to have that on the e2881 |
| 15:59.53 | LuitvD | and since I can't have it all, I'll have to choose |
| 16:00.03 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03werner * r1105 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:00.03 | CIA-7 | openmoko: series: enabled all backed out patches |
| 16:00.03 | CIA-7 | openmoko: wakeup-reason-nand-only.patch: |
| 16:00.03 | CIA-7 | openmoko: cpu/arm920t/start.S: manually applied failing hunk |
| 16:00.03 | CIA-7 | openmoko: cpu/arm920t/start.S: brought back #ifdef around booted_from_nand variable |
| 16:00.03 | CIA-7 | openmoko: uboot-neo1973-resume.patch: |
| 16:00.07 | CIA-7 | openmoko: cpu/arm920t/start.S: moved hunk "patch" applies to wrong spot (offset 33 lines) |
| 16:00.18 | SpeedEvil | I'd love 190dpi, 480*640. |
| 16:00.27 | SpeedEvil | 4.2" |
| 16:00.31 | LuitvD | nah, that's too big... |
| 16:00.36 | loufoque | aren't those the actual specs SpeedEvil ? |
| 16:00.40 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 16:00.44 | LuitvD | 3" is just ideal for a smartphone |
| 16:00.48 | SpeedEvil | 285dpi, 2.8" |
| 16:01.22 | loufoque | if you used real measurement units maybe I could figure out the size you're talking about |
| 16:02.10 | LuitvD | err... font size doesn't matter |
| 16:02.15 | LuitvD | detail is what matters :) |
| 16:02.19 | Kero | the smallest font on my iPAQ qvga looks crappy, but otherwise I can't fit much text on it |
| 16:02.21 | loufoque | thankfully I always have my calculator around, I see now |
| 16:02.23 | _-InFeRnO-_ | mwahahaha |
| 16:02.32 | _-InFeRnO-_ | (font) size matters |
| 16:02.46 | SpeedEvil | It only really has great advantages with very small fonts - it does the antialiasing in hardware. |
| 16:02.49 | SpeedEvil | (eyes) |
| 16:03.03 | SpeedEvil | Get /.'d often? |
| 16:03.04 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 16:05.32 | c5jr | I have an A780 that I have been using regularly for nearly a year, a screen of it's size is fine for most things IMO. font size is changable... |
| 16:06.08 | SpeedEvil | Font size is changable, but small fonts are much more readable at a font size of 9*7 or more. |
| 16:06.32 | c5jr | It isn't my LCD at work, but I don't expect to write reports or anything major like that on a phone yet. |
| 16:06.50 | SpeedEvil | If you drop much below that - readability suffers, even with antialiasing at the same font sie. |
| 16:07.00 | c5jr | Tell me about it... |
| 16:07.03 | SpeedEvil | size. |
| 16:07.04 | c5jr | Try Thai fonts. |
| 16:07.08 | _-InFeRnO-_ | nobody needs very small fonts |
| 16:07.21 | _-InFeRnO-_ | the scrollbar has been invented |
| 16:07.44 | c5jr | Well, not enough words per line can get annoying |
| 16:07.58 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i didn't talk about huge fonts |
| 16:08.04 | _-InFeRnO-_ | just normal fonts |
| 16:08.05 | SpeedEvil | And his 5*7 1*160 status line. |
| 16:08.09 | c5jr | hah |
| 16:08.10 | _-InFeRnO-_ | like this one |
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| 16:08.25 | c5jr | Which one? |
| 16:08.32 | SpeedEvil | Or huge fonts like this! |
| 16:08.37 | _-InFeRnO-_ | this, which you see |
| 16:08.38 | c5jr | haaha |
| 16:08.38 | SpeedEvil | With italics, that flash! |
| 16:09.10 | _-InFeRnO-_ | a normal 10 px font (except if you have overly weird settings) |
| 16:09.36 | c5jr | I am about 3m from my display you better believe my font is larger than 10px |
| 16:09.54 | c5jr | Different sizes for different needs |
| 16:10.04 | _-InFeRnO-_ | no you are nearsighting lol |
| 16:10.22 | c5jr | Nah I'm just drinking a beer and watching a movie too |
| 16:10.37 | _-InFeRnO-_ | and posting on #openmoko, huh |
| 16:10.51 | _-InFeRnO-_ | you're multitasking? |
| 16:11.02 | c5jr | Stranger things have happened. I didn't think #openmoko was a clay tablet. |
| 16:11.05 | c5jr | It happens. |
| 16:11.33 | LuitvD | :) |
| 16:11.42 | LuitvD | is that talk now? |
| 16:19.25 | SpeedEvil | Does that wave include a streaming URL? :) |
| 16:19.34 | _-InFeRnO-_ | no |
| 16:19.47 | _-InFeRnO-_ | they use analog modem |
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| 16:26.27 | buz | still no reply |
| 16:26.45 | _-InFeRnO-_ | of what |
| 16:26.54 | buz | e28 |
| 16:27.05 | LuitvD | neither |
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| 16:35.26 | buz | i wonder if i should try it at toshiba |
| 16:35.39 | buz | but that one will cost at least a kidney |
| 16:37.08 | buz | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/11/22/o2_preps_flame_pmp_phone/ who makes this one? |
| 16:40.10 | buz | thats a sane screen |
| 16:40.14 | buz | 3.6" vga |
| 16:41.07 | buz | lol, expected price 1100USD |
| 16:42.47 | c5jr | Mad cheddar. |
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| 16:43.53 | c5jr | I tell you what, though: Thais will buy it. |
| 16:44.07 | buz | ? |
| 16:44.11 | c5jr | That is the single most important luxury item here, as far as I can tell. |
| 16:44.37 | c5jr | There are so many insanely expensive cellphones that people who cannot afford them buy. |
| 16:45.07 | buz | mhh so you mean if i stick neo in a new case and sell it for 1000usd they will buy it? |
| 16:45.11 | buz | now that sounds like business plan |
| 16:45.23 | c5jr | You could, if you could provide a few special features for them. |
| 16:45.30 | c5jr | Namely, support for their demands. |
| 16:45.41 | buz | special feature: very high price |
| 16:45.44 | c5jr | This is very much a service society. |
| 16:45.55 | buz | (works for vertu, anyway) |
| 16:45.57 | c5jr | I cannot make my own food, I have to purchase the service of food preparation. |
| 16:46.56 | buz | what do you mean you cant |
| 16:47.01 | c5jr | Nah, you can. |
| 16:47.36 | c5jr | It's just something to consider.. Namely, support languages. |
| 16:48.42 | c5jr | The cellphone market is giant here, all the makers know that.... I can see a big Nokia building out of my windoiw. |
| 16:49.32 | c5jr | Status is important.. Gold is passe, cars are impossible to drive most places, cellphones go with people and are social tools for social status establishment. |
| 16:50.30 | c5jr | I swear they're like plumage... The well-off make like peacocks. |
| 16:50.49 | buz | http://www.road-gmbh.de/pdf/ROAD_Prospekt_Prod_ENG.pdf so it really does run qtopia, would be a nice device, shame about the price |
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| 16:54.05 | c5jr | That does look like a nice phone. |
| 16:55.34 | buz | more like a really tiny notebook |
| 16:55.44 | buz | supposedly it does cost 1500EUR though |
| 16:55.51 | buz | (which is MORE than a really tiny notebook ;) |
| 16:55.53 | c5jr | touchpen? |
| 16:55.57 | buz | yes |
| 16:56.35 | c5jr | Apparently I'm not the only one who thinks 'stylus' sounds strange. |
| 16:56.51 | buz | gimme that for 500EUR and i'll order it today |
| 16:56.57 | c5jr | I mostly use my finger on my phone's touchpad. |
| 16:57.13 | c5jr | haha yah looks nice. |
| 16:57.35 | buz | but maybe they should add a wvga screen |
| 16:57.46 | buz | especially if they are really going to charge 1500EUR |
| 16:58.05 | c5jr | That is a high price for the listed resolution. |
| 16:58.26 | c5jr | But, still nice. |
| 16:58.27 | buz | yeah they wont sell money |
| 16:58.29 | buz | many |
| 16:58.41 | c5jr | Not at that price. |
| 16:58.59 | c5jr | Maybe Japanese will pay that much for cellphones. |
| 16:59.06 | buz | not for big ones |
| 16:59.09 | c5jr | All of their cellphones were insanely big. |
| 16:59.12 | c5jr | srsly |
| 16:59.22 | c5jr | All flipphones that were freakin giant. |
| 17:00.00 | buz | that xscale 263 is kinda anemic for a device like that |
| 17:00.05 | c5jr | Except for one that was designed for old people who wouldnt be able to figure out the features |
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| 17:02.43 | c5jr | Yeah. |
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| 17:03.37 | c5jr | I'm surprised there haven't been more directed efforts towards properly encrypting cellphone traffic. |
| 17:04.00 | buz | for grps its straight forward |
| 17:04.02 | c5jr | Seems like there might be room for third party services, or other things. |
| 17:04.29 | buz | how would encryption SERVICE work? |
| 17:04.36 | c5jr | I'm not quite sure |
| 17:05.46 | buz | i think you need software |
| 17:05.49 | buz | not services |
| 17:06.14 | c5jr | Could involve calling a number (or otherwise accessing a service) that tied into VOIP and then dialing an actual destination, with encryption between the handset and voip service. |
| 17:06.40 | c5jr | Software and services together, right? |
| 17:06.51 | LuitvD | back |
| 17:08.03 | LuitvD | and gone again |
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| 17:14.50 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ne1 has screenshots of openmoko's desktop |
| 17:18.35 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ? |
| 17:18.36 | _-InFeRnO-_ | I'm interested how it looks |
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| 17:22.10 | greentux|fosdem | The mokn talk was overloaded :) |
| 17:22.56 | greentux|fosdem | 250 people in a room for 80. |
| 17:24.03 | vmaster | did they record videos like last year? |
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| 17:24.39 | greentux|fosdem | I think not. But not sure |
| 17:26.18 | greentux|fosdem | There will be a phase 1+ in june. |
| 17:26.48 | greentux|fosdem | Some minor hardware updates |
| 17:30.25 | goxboxlive | _-InFeRnO-_ http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
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| 17:31.27 | sixfeet | wz pingu^ |
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| 17:33.54 | _-InFeRnO-_ | Does the Desktop contain icona |
| 17:33.56 | _-InFeRnO-_ | icons |
| 17:34.14 | _-InFeRnO-_ | (i can't figure out which screen shot is of the desktop) |
| 17:35.23 | _-InFeRnO-_ | what the heck is this http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6ffe3cb7a9026c4d25fed1abead9c67c.png |
| 17:35.32 | _-InFeRnO-_ | is is along other OM screenshots |
| 17:36.05 | _-InFeRnO-_ | it's linux http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0ec33ebb982ba435582309dcd10b1754.png |
| 17:37.35 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ne1 knows? |
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| 17:39.02 | goxboxlive | The first link you posted is gpephone |
| 17:39.23 | goxboxlive | also the .2 link |
| 17:39.42 | goxboxlive | The brown one's is openmoko |
| 17:39.56 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ...i wanted to hack OM into something like... gpephone? |
| 17:40.03 | sixfeet | looks like this http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/13/orange_super_sim/ |
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| 18:03.34 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 18:14.01 | DukeOfURL | rwhitby this Makefile does take a while. |
| 18:14.25 | LuitvD | lol |
| 18:15.00 | DukeOfURL | I've just returned from grocery shopping, and it's still runnning. |
| 18:22.24 | DukeOfURL | what are the best resources for a noob with openembedded |
| 18:22.26 | LuitvD | it ran for several hours here, before crashing |
| 18:22.40 | DukeOfURL | no no don't crash |
| 18:22.58 | DukeOfURL | i did have to install quilt, but that's the only hiccup so far |
| 18:23.59 | LuitvD | :) |
| 18:24.08 | DukeOfURL | did yours crash because of Rob's Makefile of because the underlying instructions don't work? |
| 18:24.38 | LuitvD | where did you get the mokomakefile from, and do you have access to the real svn? |
| 18:25.15 | DukeOfURL | s/Rob/Rod/ |
| 18:25.18 | LuitvD | coz' rod told me building won't work on anonymous svn access |
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| 18:25.55 | LuitvD | http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/cjb/moko.jpg |
| 18:25.56 | LuitvD | :D |
| 18:26.12 | DukeOfURL | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 18:27.44 | LuitvD | hmm... not sure if that will work out... |
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| 18:31.29 | DukeOfURL | crashed: svn: PROPFIND of '/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches': Server certificate verification failed: issuer is not trusted (https://svn.openmoko.org) |
| 18:31.54 | LuitvD | thought that was the anonymous subversion problem... |
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| 18:34.53 | LuitvD | why aren't projects shown in the actual project tree? |
| 18:35.04 | LuitvD | (on projects.openmoko.org) |
| 18:38.28 | DukeOfURL | pretty sparse |
| 18:39.48 | DesktopMa | does it download all revisions or something? takes quite a while |
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| 18:53.08 | SpeedEvil | I want this sensor: http://www.topgold.cn/en/oem/Sensor.asp |
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| 18:54.53 | DukeOfURL | plain noodles?? |
| 18:55.00 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 18:55.45 | DukeOfURL | Bill Murray could figure it out |
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| 18:57.10 | LuitvD | page doesn't load... |
| 18:57.52 | SpeedEvil | Awww. It's a camera page, with some odd language :) |
| 18:59.36 | LuitvD | it's weird... no response from that site at all |
| 19:00.37 | LuitvD | as if I got no route to that host... |
| 19:01.23 | LuitvD | it makes over 15 hops... |
| 19:01.39 | LuitvD | 400ms ping already, after 16 hops |
| 19:01.53 | LuitvD | 20 hops |
| 19:01.58 | LuitvD | and there it halts |
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| 19:02.25 | LuitvD | very strange |
| 19:03.25 | SpeedEvil | It's not really worth bothering about - it's just a camera page with terrible english. |
| 19:03.26 | DukeOfURL | do you have a loop in your network? |
| 19:03.52 | LuitvD | lol |
| 19:04.00 | LuitvD | .cn... that's china right |
| 19:04.00 | LuitvD | ? |
| 19:04.06 | DukeOfURL | yes |
| 19:05.31 | LuitvD | heheh, hops: adsl.wanadoo.nl (my host) >>> euro net (4 times) >> Opentransit Amsterdam >>> Opentransit London >>> Opentransit Ashburn >>> Opentransit LosAngeles >>> Opentransit China |
| 19:05.44 | LuitvD | and after that nothing but unidentified hops |
| 19:05.55 | buz | MI0360 is the Micron sensor, it is 1/4 inches that the chip sense plain noodles are accumulated, there are few result good color result |
| 19:06.05 | buz | oh comeon not even babelfish is THAT bad |
| 19:06.13 | buz | tho noodles and chips sound good |
| 19:06.13 | LuitvD | :) |
| 19:06.30 | buz | i wanna see one of those liquid lense cams |
| 19:06.34 | DukeOfURL | you didn't want to go to China, anyway, now did you? |
| 19:06.44 | buz | not really |
| 19:06.49 | buz | not live there anyway |
| 19:12.42 | SpeedEvil | Encryption. |
| 19:12.56 | SpeedEvil | What do you mean by non-trusted? |
| 19:12.59 | LuitvD | :) |
| 19:13.09 | buz | yeah but how do you efficiently do incremental backups then |
| 19:13.29 | buz | (technically, duplicity solves that issue but that one is so buggy its rather dangerous) |
| 19:13.44 | buz | SpeedEvil: i trust it not to delete my stuff, but i dont trust the admin not to read it |
| 19:13.48 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 19:14.00 | buz | think amazon s3 or something like that |
| 19:14.30 | SpeedEvil | rsync does not transfer the raw files to diff. |
| 19:14.47 | buz | you cant do rsync without plaintext files on the other side |
| 19:14.53 | SpeedEvil | If you encrypted the files by 1K blocks, and taught rdiff about how to checksum like you wanted. |
| 19:14.57 | buz | (technically, that's what duplicity tries to do) |
| 19:15.13 | buz | then you still leak number of files and their approximate sizes |
| 19:15.13 | SpeedEvil | Instead of checksumming the 'plain' file. |
| 19:15.20 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 19:15.29 | LuitvD | :) |
| 19:15.38 | SpeedEvil | There is the obvious solution to a 100% mirror. |
| 19:15.39 | buz | you could also just run rsync on the base data of encfs |
| 19:15.44 | LuitvD | why not just backup to trusted media? |
| 19:15.50 | buz | because houses burn down |
| 19:15.54 | LuitvD | lol |
| 19:15.55 | SpeedEvil | Simply encrypt the drive, and then sum each block in the encrypted state. |
| 19:16.05 | SpeedEvil | Then transmit the diffs. |
| 19:16.06 | LuitvD | and what non-trusted medium doesn't burn down? |
| 19:16.14 | buz | SpeedEvil: i thought about that |
| 19:16.16 | SpeedEvil | Stone circles. |
| 19:16.23 | buz | but it means you transmit a lot of garbage |
| 19:16.27 | SpeedEvil | The bit density sucks though. |
| 19:16.33 | SpeedEvil | True - metadata, ... |
| 19:16.44 | buz | and you cant do any compression |
| 19:17.21 | buz | LuitvD: somehow it is unlikely that datacenters on different continents all burn down at the same time |
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| 19:17.22 | LuitvD | apocalypse? |
| 19:17.22 | SpeedEvil | now? |
| 19:17.32 | buz | eh i wanna go surfing first |
| 19:17.36 | buz | damn napalm |
| 19:18.42 | buz | i'm leaning towards chunks of encrypted tar.gz and a db to store where files are located |
| 19:19.40 | SpeedEvil | The most efficient way would be for the phone to keep a journal of changes. |
| 19:19.46 | SpeedEvil | And then just send the journal. |
| 19:19.59 | SpeedEvil | This requires kernel hooks though. |
| 19:20.02 | buz | i was thinking more general filesystems |
| 19:20.15 | buz | if it was just the 64mb of neo, i'd really just backup the whole image |
| 19:20.20 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 19:20.29 | buz | thats like 60s on usb |
| 19:20.34 | SpeedEvil | And it's almost never going to be 60M. |
| 19:20.42 | buz | yeah |
| 19:20.51 | SpeedEvil | As the first 55-60 is going to be stock packages. |
| 19:21.17 | buz | cryptphone |
| 19:21.20 | buz | i want that |
| 19:21.35 | buz | jffs2 on dmcrypt hehee |
| 19:23.07 | DukeOfURL | I was able to 'svn co https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches', so why doesn't the script like it? |
| 19:23.23 | SpeedEvil | Not especially bad - especially when you think that only the 'user data' partition needs crypted. |
| 19:23.42 | buz | then its easier to use encfs |
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| 19:23.59 | buz | cause the user partition will likely have apps as well |
| 19:24.13 | buz | which you dont need to encrypt either |
| 19:24.24 | buz | there's no crypto hardware is there? |
| 19:24.27 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 19:24.56 | SpeedEvil | I'd expect a few hundred K/s AES. |
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| 19:26.17 | aloril2 | rsync? |
| 19:26.34 | SpeedEvil | rsync doesn't know about encryption though. |
| 19:26.51 | SpeedEvil | (you can't encrypt on the far side) |
| 19:29.30 | aloril2 | if both are mounted then it's clear from rsync viewpoint; |
| 19:29.57 | DukeOfURL | looking in the logs, I see '/home/moko/build/tmp/work/fic-gta01-linux/gta01-kernel-2.6-200702241832/temp/run.do_deploy.8159: line 591: uboot-mkimage: command not found' |
| 19:30.37 | buz | aloril2: if you mount it on the other side, it might as well not be encrypted at all |
| 19:30.42 | aloril2 | also if reading from microSD is not too slow, just rsync encrypted image |
| 19:31.21 | SpeedEvil | Mounting it on the other side only gives metadata information though, not the files. |
| 19:32.25 | aloril2 | buz: I mean both sides are stored on disk encrypted, but yeah this assumes you trust other machine (until its stolen) |
| 19:32.39 | buz | if you trust the other side, it's trivial |
| 19:33.30 | SpeedEvil | The nice way - if you have space - is to use a journal IMO. |
| 19:33.35 | aloril2 | if you use file level encryption, then no need to trust other side for file content |
| 19:33.41 | buz | thats true |
| 19:33.50 | buz | metadata however |
| 19:33.54 | SpeedEvil | That you can short-circuit bits of, if the journal contradicts. |
| 19:34.05 | SpeedEvil | then just send that. |
| 19:34.15 | buz | for a custom app, that's perfect |
| 19:34.42 | SpeedEvil | File level encryption does give sizes though. |
| 19:34.47 | buz | for a fs based solution, only with a very special filesystem |
| 19:35.07 | buz | (dragonflybsd fs might potentially pull that one off) |
| 19:36.29 | aloril2 | you could trust other side for metadata for backup time, but keep that encrypted too other times so thief would get nothing (and snooper during backup would get metadata only) |
| 19:36.42 | buz | yes |
| 19:37.02 | buz | or you just tar up files and encrypt the archives |
| 19:37.05 | buz | no leaking at all |
| 19:37.08 | SpeedEvil | You also really don't want the other side being able to frob your metadata. |
| 19:37.16 | SpeedEvil | so it's gotta be signed somehow. |
| 19:37.32 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1106 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (series uboot-dfu.patch): |
| 19:37.32 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * DFU now actually can do flash updates, within limited conditions |
| 19:37.32 | CIA-7 | openmoko: ** no transfer size % 8 allowed |
| 19:37.32 | CIA-7 | openmoko: ** only one upload, then USB is dead |
| 19:37.32 | CIA-7 | openmoko: * update series file to move u-boot to the end |
| 19:37.32 | CIA-7 | openmoko: test this with something like 'dfu-util -a 4 -t 4093 -D /etc/passwd' which will put your /etc/passwd from the hsot into the splash partition ;) |
| 19:38.05 | SpeedEvil | Tar works, but suffers from having to download all changes since a full backup. |
| 19:38.07 | buz | mhh encfs over some network filesystem |
| 19:38.27 | buz | mhh no |
| 19:38.29 | buz | that doesnt work either |
| 19:38.37 | buz | it might |
| 19:39.06 | buz | encfs on fuse over sshfs on fuse, thats gonna be veeeery performant |
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| 19:40.03 | buz | as for having to download everything: thats not such a big constraint for me, i keep local backups, remote ones are really the last line of defense |
| 19:40.12 | buz | in case the liion battery burns the house down ;) |
| 19:41.12 | SpeedEvil | Space for 10 micro-SDs. |
| 19:41.27 | aloril2 | yeah, treat other side as raw disk, it will only now only amount and raw disk position: no data, no metadata |
| 19:42.00 | [g2] | SpeedEvil that's a good idea :) |
| 19:42.14 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 19:42.22 | SpeedEvil | Have a virtual local one-time pad. |
| 19:42.46 | SpeedEvil | Now you can do things on the remote host like say 'flip bit 54 of block 399333' |
| 19:43.06 | SpeedEvil | rather than having to send whole blocks. |
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| 19:43.42 | mjr | I tried encfs over sshfs once, didn't work, but maybe they've fixed that... |
| 19:44.57 | SpeedEvil | It's problematic though - realistically - as you need a large thermal mass inside, and some decent thickness of insulatioin. |
| 19:45.22 | [g2] | or really good insulation |
| 19:45.26 | SpeedEvil | A firesafe with a 1cm cavity won't be much smaller than one with a 10cm one. |
| 19:45.58 | SpeedEvil | The problem is that at high temperatures, you run into problems with IR radiation being an efficient energy transport. |
| 19:46.27 | SpeedEvil | Which means that most of the nice room temperature insulators don't work. (never mind that tehy melt) |
| 19:49.27 | aloril2 | if you trust local pc, then just rsync to that same sized encrypted partition, then rsync that partition as whole to remote place |
| 19:51.34 | buz | SpeedEvil: i was just thinking about firesafe stuff this afternoon |
| 19:51.40 | buz | tho i was thinking about a usb stick case |
| 19:51.49 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't scale. |
| 19:52.07 | SpeedEvil | You need x cm of insulation to withstand heat for y time. |
| 19:52.25 | SpeedEvil | Same if that insulation is round a 30cm or 3cm cavity. |
| 19:52.42 | buz | how much insulation do you need |
| 19:52.45 | buz | physics is a long time back |
| 19:52.47 | SpeedEvil | And you've got to have the thermal capacity to not melt while the heat percolates through. |
| 19:53.01 | buz | then again, if this is a keychain |
| 19:53.06 | SpeedEvil | Look at how thick firesafes for magnetic media are, then double it. |
| 19:53.06 | buz | resistance need not be very high |
| 19:53.18 | LuitvD | :P |
| 19:53.19 | buz | slightly higher than human capacity for enduring heat |
| 19:53.48 | buz | maybe you actually want the thing to melt |
| 19:53.49 | SpeedEvil | In that case, just a metal case will work. The SD won't fail before 125C (for a while) |
| 19:53.51 | buz | that absorbs heat |
| 19:54.36 | buz | a thing i was thinking about for a while |
| 19:54.41 | buz | a microsd compartment in your watch |
| 19:54.44 | buz | i never take mine off |
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| 19:55.12 | buz | (there are watches with integrated usb sticks but they are buttugly) |
| 19:55.30 | SpeedEvil | To be nice, it'd need to be waterpoof. |
| 19:55.39 | buz | watches generally are waterproof |
| 19:55.48 | buz | now you simply need a sane way to open and close it |
| 19:55.49 | SpeedEvil | the compartment |
| 19:56.08 | buz | i wonder if there would be a market for that |
| 19:56.51 | Magon | have any of you managed to get openmoko working in xoo and will help me a bit? |
| 19:57.40 | LuitvD | i've got it running in qemu... |
| 19:57.43 | LuitvD | not in xoo |
| 19:58.03 | buz | LuitvD: do you have an image that actually works correctly? mine spat out weird graphics |
| 19:58.10 | LuitvD | :P |
| 19:58.19 | LuitvD | I've got jebba's |
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| 19:58.28 | buz | maybe mine got corrupted somehoe |
| 19:58.29 | LuitvD | jebba built it for qemuarm |
| 19:58.33 | Magon | i have a problem..cannot find the image it made |
| 19:58.41 | Magon | it = bitbake |
| 19:59.31 | _-InFeRnO-_ | where is jebba's |
| 19:59.36 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i'm interesred |
| 20:00.05 | LuitvD | lol |
| 20:00.14 | LuitvD | I'll go look for the images |
| 20:03.13 | buz | lol there is a milspec 1g usb stick |
| 20:03.21 | buz | looks like a bomb and cost 700USD |
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| 20:03.40 | buz | must be fun at the airport |
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| 20:04.13 | _-InFeRnO-_ | yes |
| 20:04.15 | _-InFeRnO-_ | very fun |
| 20:04.20 | _-InFeRnO-_ | especially for the owner |
| 20:04.36 | _-InFeRnO-_ | the moment where he's deported to police is just... hilarious |
| 20:05.08 | buz | good idea, tho i think i'll substitue candy for beer |
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| 20:06.48 | LoDown | hmmm...beer |
| 20:07.54 | _-InFeRnO-_ | now if i can compile Xoo on FreeBSD, my life would be easier |
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| 20:08.21 | _-InFeRnO-_ | LuitvD where did you download the image? |
| 20:09.35 | DeVol | anyone here was at the fosdem talk about openmoko? |
| 20:09.49 | buz | ftp://ftp.blagblagblag.org/pub/BLAG/developers/jebba/openmoko/ |
| 20:09.58 | DeVol | the place was extremly crowded! |
| 20:10.23 | SpeedEvil | toi, greentux, gw280 - according to logs |
| 20:10.28 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:10.43 | buz | in some ways, this is the last gadget that previously wasnt available with open source on it |
| 20:10.53 | SpeedEvil | Cars. |
| 20:11.02 | LoDown | and vibrators |
| 20:11.06 | LoDown | ::grin:: |
| 20:11.10 | buz | i dont consider cars as gadgets |
| 20:11.24 | buz | and personally have no use for vibrators (i assume most geeks dont) |
| 20:11.29 | _-InFeRnO-_ | no |
| 20:11.37 | _-InFeRnO-_ | they use it for nuclear synthesis |
| 20:11.38 | LoDown | haha |
| 20:11.38 | _-InFeRnO-_ | lol |
| 20:11.45 | SpeedEvil | http://www.megasquirt.info/ DIY fuel injection :) |
| 20:11.55 | LoDown | wow |
| 20:12.25 | buz | i see cars as appliances |
| 20:13.18 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i see cars as obsolete |
| 20:13.29 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ;0 |
| 20:13.30 | SpeedEvil | Me too - but when one goes wrong, I do _not_ want to see 'code 54' or something. |
| 20:13.50 | SpeedEvil | I want to be able to wander over the logs with freely available tools to figure out what went wrong. |
| 20:13.55 | Elixir- | Trust me, in Texas everyone has a car |
| 20:14.03 | Elixir- | They are ubiquitous rather than obsolete. |
| 20:14.06 | SpeedEvil | Much like phones. |
| 20:14.25 | Elixir- | Eh, at least some people can use mass transit =P |
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| 20:14.54 | SpeedEvil | Nasty derailment in the UK - astonishing there were not more deaths. |
| 20:15.10 | SpeedEvil | 100MPH, off the tracks, and it diddn't fall over. |
| 20:15.40 | Elixir- | Yikes |
| 20:15.52 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i know |
| 20:15.56 | _-InFeRnO-_ | it was a joke |
| 20:16.11 | _-InFeRnO-_ | but nuclear engines with tritium fuel are cool |
| 20:16.29 | _-InFeRnO-_ | a must have for a self-respecting geek |
| 20:16.45 | _-InFeRnO-_ | in bulgaria trasers aren't sold ;( |
| 20:17.00 | _-InFeRnO-_ | else i would repeatedly break them and take the tritium |
| 20:17.08 | SpeedEvil | I'll hollow out some chocolate, and send you one :) |
| 20:17.17 | _-InFeRnO-_ | (with it i will blow the world hahahahahahah) |
| 20:17.28 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ha ha |
| 20:17.47 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i'm trying to run OM on Qemu |
| 20:17.50 | _-InFeRnO-_ | pray |
| 20:18.06 | _-InFeRnO-_ | it will help |
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| 20:21.37 | _-InFeRnO-_ | noooo |
| 20:21.44 | _-InFeRnO-_ | it wants me to touch some crosshairs |
| 20:21.51 | _-InFeRnO-_ | and i can't see the mouse pointer |
| 20:21.53 | _-InFeRnO-_ | damn |
| 20:22.53 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1107 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-pim/openmoko-dates_svn.bb: fix svn repository path at svn.o-hand.com |
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| 20:25.07 | _-InFeRnO-_ | crap |
| 20:25.09 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i'm stupid |
| 20:25.11 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i did Ctrl+Alt+Backspace |
| 20:25.25 | buz | fell for that one myself |
| 20:25.46 | _-InFeRnO-_ | but what is that touch the crosshairs |
| 20:25.52 | _-InFeRnO-_ | how to pass it |
| 20:26.02 | SpeedEvil | Use the force. |
| 20:26.15 | _-InFeRnO-_ | give me a howto for the force |
| 20:26.24 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i'm taught to rtfm |
| 20:27.00 | _-InFeRnO-_ | no seriously i don't know how |
| 20:27.34 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ne1 help |
| 20:28.27 | _-InFeRnO-_ | plzzzzz |
| 20:28.51 | _-InFeRnO-_ | g1v3 m3 73h infoooo PLZLZLZZZL |
| 20:29.08 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i couldn't say it in any other dialect/language |
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| 20:30.11 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ne1? |
| 20:30.55 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i guess the speed of text is too low |
| 20:32.06 | _-InFeRnO-_ | crap |
| 20:32.10 | SpeedEvil | Or nobody has a clue. |
| 20:32.21 | SpeedEvil | Try guessing? |
| 20:32.55 | _-InFeRnO-_ | let's use the Auto Clue Maker... |
| 20:32.58 | _-InFeRnO-_ | *poof* |
| 20:33.03 | _-InFeRnO-_ | nothing |
| 20:35.00 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03werner * r1108 10/trunk/oe/packages/uboot/uboot-gta01_svn.bb: |
| 20:35.00 | CIA-7 | openmoko: Removed ram/nand distinction. (NOTE: this changes output file names !) |
| 20:35.00 | CIA-7 | openmoko: Added generation and deployment of lowlevel_foo. |
| 20:35.42 | _-InFeRnO-_ | http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5062/ohnoxp9.png |
| 20:36.03 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i told the bull not to excrete on my PC, but... |
| 20:37.42 | _-InFeRnO-_ | anyone remembers this horror movie |
| 20:38.45 | _-InFeRnO-_ | devs, where are you |
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| 20:38.49 | _-InFeRnO-_ | i don't spam alone |
| 20:38.55 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ;0 |
| 20:40.13 | _-InFeRnO-_ | bump |
| 20:40.42 | buz | "Touch the crosshairs to calibrate the screen" |
| 20:40.46 | buz | To get around this: |
| 20:40.46 | buz | 1) ctrl-alt-3 |
| 20:40.46 | buz | 2) `ps` to find the processes "/bin/sh /etc/X11/Xession.d/30xTs_Calibrate" & |
| 20:40.46 | buz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.46 | buz | 3) mv /etc/X11/Xession.d/30xTs_Calibrate ~/ |
| 20:40.47 | buz | 4) ctrl-alt-1 to get back to GUI |
| 20:40.54 | buz | RTFM indeed |
| 20:41.49 | buz | mh how about someone uploads an image wherethis is done ;) |
| 20:44.46 | _-InFeRnO-_ | crap, my mouse still doesn't work |
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| 21:25.30 | DesktopMa | damn this build takes ages :) |
| 21:26.43 | DukeOfURL | DesktopMa: did it crash? |
| 21:26.56 | DesktopMa | it errored once |
| 21:27.02 | DesktopMa | just ran it again and it continued |
| 21:28.32 | DukeOfURL | Mine got to do_deploy where it crashed, |
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| 21:30.36 | DukeOfURL | can't find uboot-mkimage |
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| 21:41.43 | jebba | buz, i do have images uploaded where that is done. I've decided to upload "unmodifed" openmoko images to the openmoko dir and my own modified ones here: ftp://ftp.blagblagblag.org/pub/BLAG/developers/jebba/iBLAG |
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| 21:47.55 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r13 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/series: Removed the openmoko-dates patch, as upstream has fixed it. |
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| 21:56.54 | buz | jebba: thanks, i'll give those a shot |
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| 22:06.30 | DesktopMa | still building :D |
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| 23:07.57 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r14 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ (linux-gta01.patch series): Added patch to the full executable path for uboot-mkimage. |
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