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| 01:06.45 | stefan_schmidt | First xoo skin with buttons: |
| 01:06.47 | stefan_schmidt | http://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/OpenMoko/neo1973-button-xoo-device.tar.bz2 |
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| 01:07.01 | stefan_schmidt | Don't hurd me. I'm a dev no designer. :) |
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| 01:54.31 | empty_mind | i get this error while building openmoko using mokomakefile "uboot-mkimage: command not found" . Am i missing any package ? |
| 02:01.18 | SuN | <Magon> just grep for uboot-mkimage in openmoko/trunk/oe/packages/linux |
| 02:01.18 | SuN | <Magon> and subtitute it with full path |
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| 03:06.21 | rwhitby | morning |
| 03:11.10 | nm | rwhitby: morning |
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| 03:26.28 | rwhitby | any mokomakefile problems reported overnight? |
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| 03:44.21 | aevin | rwhitby: i haven't tried it yet. just got home from the pub. i think'l try it tomorrow (i.e. later today) |
| 03:46.07 | aevin | have you got any positive feedback from it yet? i guess you've helpde a lot of newbies getting started with it. |
| 03:50.32 | rwhitby | I haven't got completely through the build yet - it seems that the build instructions are not reproducable for a good build. But I'm patching things as I go (in a way that everyone else gets the patches too). |
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| 04:49.30 | rwhitby | NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0-r0: task do_rootfs: started |
| 04:49.55 | rwhitby | (sans u-boot, cause it doesn't build, but you can't use it on anything yet anyway) |
| 04:50.16 | rwhitby | now to test the Makefile changes upgrade from the current version, and publish it. |
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| 04:58.34 | rwhitby | NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0: completed |
| 05:04.11 | empty_mind | rwhitby, mokomakefile gives me an error saying "uboot-mkimage: command not found". Am i missing any package ? |
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| 05:07.14 | rwhitby | did you "make update-makefile ; make setup ; make update" and retry before reporting the problem? |
| 05:07.53 | empty_mind | rwhitby, i did make update; make openmoko-devel-image |
| 05:08.09 | rwhitby | try the above |
| 05:08.12 | empty_mind | thats make update-makefile and not make update |
| 05:08.38 | rwhitby | you always need to make setup and make update again, in case the makefile changed |
| 05:08.49 | rwhitby | those targets are idempotent |
| 05:09.33 | empty_mind | rwhitby, but anyways i was truing a fresh make in a different directory. Which means i pulled new makefile |
| 05:10.24 | rwhitby | instead of discussing, run the commands above, and report if it still fails. |
| 05:11.11 | empty_mind | rwhitby, i am already doing so |
| 05:11.53 | empty_mind | done with above commands. Shoul di now do make openmoko-devel-image |
| 05:14.07 | rwhitby | yes |
| 05:14.36 | rwhitby | unfortunately with the current Makefile it will rebuild all the openmoko apps - I don't know why they set it up like that for the developer release of source. |
| 05:14.48 | rwhitby | (but I will be fixing that in MokoMakefile in my next release) |
| 05:17.54 | rwhitby | can someone try "svn co svn://svn.projects.openmoko.org//var/lib/gforge/chroot/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk mokomakefile" and tell me if it works? |
| 05:22.54 | valed | rwhitby: svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.projects.openmoko.org': Connection refused |
| 05:23.18 | rwhitby | valed: thx - it's not just me then. |
| 05:23.33 | rwhitby | looks like svn+ssh access is o.k., but anonymous access is not. |
| 05:23.47 | rwhitby | LaF0rge: is projects.openmoko.org anonymous svn access set up yet? |
| 05:24.41 | empty_mind | rwhitby, svn checkout with mokomakefile is failing it says cannot replace directory from within. |
| 05:25.17 | rwhitby | empty_mind: which package? |
| 05:25.28 | rwhitby | (i.e. give me more context around the error) |
| 05:25.33 | rwhitby | pastebin is your friend |
| 05:25.59 | empty_mind | rwhitby, see this for error output http://pastebin.com/883448 |
| 05:27.36 | rwhitby | rm -rf sources/svn/gta01-kernel |
| 05:27.39 | rwhitby | then try again |
| 05:31.27 | empty_mind | rwhitby, here is what shows now http://pastebin.com/883452 |
| 05:33.59 | rwhitby | are you sure that your "make setup" patched the linux-gta01_2.6.17.14.bb file properly? |
| 05:34.38 | empty_mind | rwhitby, i am runnin make setup again |
| 05:35.12 | empty_mind | rwhitby, should i pastebin the output of make setup ? |
| 05:35.33 | rwhitby | pastebin your contents of linux-gta01_2.6.17.14.bb after make setup |
| 05:37.30 | empty_mind | rwhitby, where do i find linux-gta* ? |
| 05:38.30 | rwhitby | find is your friend |
| 05:38.36 | rwhitby | start at oe/packages/linux/ |
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| 05:40.12 | empty_mind | rwhitby, pastin it |
| 05:41.11 | empty_mind | rwhitby, http://pastebin.com/883457 |
| 05:42.58 | rwhitby | bb -c clean the kernel package and try again |
| 05:46.11 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r1 10mokomakefile/ (branches/ releases/ trunk/ trunk/Makefile): MokoMakefile initial release |
| 05:46.23 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r2 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Makefile: relicensed as GPL, cause most of the patches will be to GPL'd code, so it's easier if everything is GPL. |
| 05:46.36 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r3 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Added initial patches required to reproduce the official documented build procedure. |
| 05:47.25 | rwhitby | mickey|zzZZzz, LaF0rge: If you'd prefer for mokomakefile commits to not come here, just let me know. |
| 05:54.19 | rwhitby | Hmm - anonymous access to projects. means that I can't push my latest MokoMakefile which uses that to get extra patches to make the build work. |
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| 06:29.44 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r4 10mokomakefile/trunk/ (Makefile patches/openmoko-1004/openmoko-dates.patch): Makefile: modified to use a patches repository instead of patching things in the Makefile |
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| 06:40.02 | Lunved | Anyone else having trouble with mtpaint during the build? (see: http://pastebin.com/883486). I've been using the mokomakefile which I updated a few minutes ago. |
| 06:40.18 | rwhitby | as soon as the anonymous svn access to projects.om.org is fixed, I can release that new version |
| 06:41.03 | Lunved | rwhitby: Thanks (and thanks for the Makefile!) |
| 06:41.11 | rwhitby | Lunved: ubuntu? running dash as /bin/sh? |
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| 06:43.02 | rwhitby | Lunved: mtpaint built fine here |
| 06:43.08 | rwhitby | (Debian Etch) |
| 06:43.10 | Lunved | Ubuntu. Did you mean bash? If so yes - I'm guessing thats how it does it (I'm new to ubuntu (using linux for years though)) |
| 06:43.39 | rwhitby | no, I mean dash. some distros have /bin/sh linked to dash instead of bash, and dash doesn't have most features. |
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| 06:44.51 | Lunved | Yep /bin/sh is symlinked to dash |
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| 06:45.35 | roh | Lunved did you update your monotone? |
| 06:46.35 | Lunved | Not since I did the OE getting started (built gpe and opie images successfully) |
| 06:46.54 | roh | ah.. which version is it? |
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| 06:48.50 | Lunved | I dont know how to tell. I'm just running find now ... |
| 06:49.16 | roh | mtn --version |
| 06:49.37 | Lunved | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.43 | Lunved | ta |
| 06:49.56 | Lunved | ).32 |
| 06:50.06 | Lunved | That would be 0.32 |
| 06:50.13 | roh | .32 should be recent enough |
| 06:51.29 | rwhitby | Lunved: /bin/sh linked to dash is probably the problem |
| 06:51.50 | Lunved | rwhitby: Thanks, I'll give it a go. |
| 06:52.04 | rwhitby | Lunved: and update the wiki if that fixes it (in the OE and your Distro page) |
| 06:53.15 | rwhitby | Lunved: e.g. http://fragglet.livejournal.com/9110.html |
| 06:53.17 | Lunved | rwhitby: no problem |
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| 07:38.27 | xkr47 | morning |
| 07:38.35 | goxboxlive | morning |
| 07:38.47 | goxboxlive | Do you know what a "hense" is? |
| 07:38.52 | goxboxlive | on a cell phone? |
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| 07:42.38 | xkr47 | dnever heard |
| 07:43.20 | goxboxlive | ok, thx anyway. I'll ask the seller. |
| 07:44.28 | xkr47 | mis-spelled "hence" maybe ;-) |
| 07:45.01 | goxboxlive | That might be |
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| 08:06.56 | Lunved | rwhitby: I have an interest question if you dont mind: why is it that you recommend calling make seperately for each different target, rather than just in one make call with multiple targets? |
| 08:08.31 | rwhitby | for make update-makefile, it needs to be separate, cause that could change the makefile. for the others it doesn't. |
| 08:09.45 | Lunved | rwhitby: Oh yeah ... (sorry to waste your time - I've learn't though...) |
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| 08:22.07 | empty_mind | rwhitby, another error http://pastebin.com/883523 ? do i need x11 development packae intalled on build machine ? |
| 08:22.09 | Lunved | If I had to edit a .bb file to make a download work during a build, what would be the responsible way of reporting the issue/fix? |
| 08:26.09 | koen | empty_mind: no, gernerally you don't need x11 installed, but the OE snapshot FIC uses has a bug that requires you to have x11-dev installed |
| 08:26.39 | koen | Lunved: add it to OE bugilla is it's from OE, add it to moko bugzilla if the recipe is from svn |
| 08:27.05 | koen | Lunved: but there's a 99% change it was already fixed, since the OE snapshot FIC uses is 2 months old |
| 08:28.31 | Lunved | Koen: thanks |
| 08:36.03 | Lunved | koen: I used the "browse tree" under OE and found the issues is still in the bb file. So its an OE thing right? (It looks to be DNS related so probably transient anyway ... \) |
| 08:36.24 | koen | Lunved: yes |
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| 10:06.51 | Magon | checking for GCONF_DBUS... configure: error: You need either ORBit or D-BUS for IPC |
| 10:06.54 | Magon | gconf-osso |
| 10:06.56 | Magon | any idea? |
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| 10:20.09 | rwhitby | amarsh05: I'll be going to that one. |
| 10:20.16 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r5 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-1004/ (linux-gta01.patch series uboot-gta01.patch): Patched u-boot bb file to grab a reasonable svn revision for the patches. Re-enabled u-boot in the kernel bb file. |
| 10:20.35 | rwhitby | (and hopefully doing the same thing with the Neo/OpenMoko for the March meeting) |
| 10:22.15 | rwhitby | ok, with that last patch, openmoko-devel-image builds from openmoko revision 1004. But I can't upload the MokoMakefile until anonymous svn access to projects.openmoko.org is fixed, cause I'm storing all the patches there (so that others can collaborate on maintaining MokoMakefile) |
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| 10:22.57 | rwhitby | BTW, if anyone wants to be part of the MokoMakefile project at projects.openmoko.org, just let me know. The main criteria for acceptance is "If you break something, you must know how to fix it". |
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| 10:42.56 | rob_w | rwhitby, i am still fighting to integrate the openmoko parts in my existing oe ,, as i in a need to keep several builds in parallel ( am building also for some other pda and mips) when do you exspect openmoko tobe fully inside oe ( openmoko.conf distro ) |
| 10:51.11 | rwhitby | rob_w: koen is handling that. |
| 10:52.33 | rwhitby | rob_w: I also use OE for nslu2-linux stuff. All I do at the moment is just symlink the OE.mtn file and share the sources directory. Then I can keep all else separate and even build koen's OE latest openmoko builds as well as the mokomakefile official documented builds. |
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| 10:55.05 | rwhitby | rob_w: but I expect the moko core team will probably always work off a fixed OE mtn revision, updated regularly, rather than from OE head. At least if I was trying to build a business on software built from OE that's what I would do. |
| 10:55.34 | koen | http://news.com.com/SanDisk+trims+jobs+to+battle+falling+prices/2100-1047_3-6160263.html?tag=nefd.top |
| 10:55.38 | rwhitby | of course, the MokoMakefile could help them do that :-) |
| 10:55.53 | CM | rwhitby: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1765 |
| 10:56.21 | CM | rwhitby: What's the easiest way to add that patch for us amd64 users? |
| 10:56.30 | koen | rwhitby: last I heard they want to use .dev without a fixed rev |
| 10:56.43 | koen | rwhitby: and make a branch once a release nears |
| 10:57.25 | rwhitby | koen: yep, that's another possibility. I guess it depends on how many people they have internally who are not OE experts but need to be synched on a common build platform around the world. |
| 10:58.04 | koen | rwhitby: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=196 |
| 10:59.26 | rwhitby | it will be interesting to see the degree to which a commercial company (like FIC/OpenMoko) is willing to give up control of commits to their working build database (OE) to people (like me) who have OE commit privs. |
| 10:59.55 | koen | rwhitby: see the distro-devel mailinglist archives |
| 11:00.08 | rwhitby | koen: I've been subscribed to that since the start. |
| 11:01.30 | rwhitby | I think Sean has been careful not to commit to anything in those messages. |
| 11:02.03 | koen | that's why we get him drunk at fosdem and have him sign contracts ;) |
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| 11:02.42 | empty_mind | rwhitby, now i am receiving this error after 3 hrs of build http://pastebin.com/883574 |
| 11:03.13 | koen | empty_mind: you don't have git |
| 11:03.25 | koen | which means you didn't follow OEandYourDistro |
| 11:03.34 | koen | since you didn't install openembedded-essential |
| 11:03.39 | empty_mind | koen, i have git installed. I have used it in past |
| 11:03.59 | empty_mind | koen, i did install openembedded-essential packge |
| 11:04.00 | rwhitby | koen: seriously, there's huge things to think about for a company working with OE head - what if you (koen) have a huge disagreement with OpenMoko about some technical feature of Angstrom. Do you expect them to spend days arguing with you about it, or do you expect them to just fork and have something they control completely? |
| 11:04.47 | empty_mind | koen, i have git and git-core installed |
| 11:05.21 | rwhitby | hmm - I would have thought that error message would be pretty self explanatory - it even tells you the command to run to fix it. |
| 11:05.27 | koen | empty_mind: but obviously not installed properly |
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| 11:05.40 | koen | rwhitby: users read error messages?!?!?! |
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| 11:07.11 | rwhitby | The problem I currently have with the OE git fetcher, is that it uses a git option which is not available on the git in RHEL/CentOS (which is what the fastest machine I have available to me at work is running). |
| 11:07.17 | koen | rwhitby: I would expect the distro people from fic to have enough sense to decide what they want and know the cost of their decisions |
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| 11:09.08 | Kero | error messages that tell what to do are the worst. |
| 11:09.12 | rwhitby | koen: exactly, so some types of CEOs might decided to lessen the risk of that cost being great and happening at just the wrong time in the project, by being cautious and not basing OM off Angstrom, but just "aligning" it with Angstrom (using the same base toolchain/policy/etc but not linking their distro decisions with Angstrom's distro decisions) |
| 11:09.21 | Kero | obviously the program could have ran that command itself :P |
| 11:09.47 | koen | rwhitby: right |
| 11:10.21 | koen | rwhitby: as long as they base of something that is (and will be) supported in OE they shouldn't have much troubles |
| 11:10.28 | rwhitby | Kero: I should just make MokoMakefile "aptitide purge git" if running on Debian ... |
| 11:11.11 | rwhitby | koen: right - the nuance is basing it off the same basic things as Angstrom is based off, compared with basing it directly off Angstrom. |
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| 11:12.22 | rwhitby | in the former case, they have no problem if you suddenly change angstrom.conf incompatibly at a critical time in their project, whereas in the latter it could cause a cost to be incurred to backtrack the change for OM. |
| 11:13.04 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1038 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/ (6 files in 3 dirs): oe/linux: cleanup and remove outdated files |
| 11:13.17 | rwhitby | (and they can do that in OE head without getting into a commit war with you on angstrom.conf) |
| 11:13.18 | koen | well, the whole point of angstrom was not to make incompatible changes |
| 11:13.28 | koen | that's why it was created :) |
| 11:13.49 | koen | to avoind gcc3/gcc4 posixthreads/nptl oabi/eabi troubles |
| 11:13.50 | empty_mind | rwhitby, i think it should be mentioned somewhere that moko needs git-sc instead of git.transition on debian |
| 11:13.53 | koen | avoid* |
| 11:14.14 | rwhitby | empty_mind: feel free to update http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro |
| 11:14.14 | empty_mind | rwhitby, my problem was solved once i switched to git-scm instead of git.transition |
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| 11:14.27 | empty_mind | rwhitby, doing it |
| 11:14.57 | rwhitby | empty_mind: excellent. one of those rare people who does update wikis when they find something useful ... |
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| 11:15.49 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1039 10/trunk/oe/packages/s3c2410-utils/ (3 files in 2 dirs): oe: s3c2410-utils: remove no longer used recipes |
| 11:16.11 | koen | mickey|zzZZzz is sleep-committing |
| 11:16.12 | rwhitby | mickey|zzZZzz is even dreaming commits ... |
| 11:16.15 | rwhitby | scap |
| 11:16.18 | rwhitby | snap |
| 11:16.26 | koen | mickeyl: good morning! |
| 11:16.28 | mickeyl | *yawn* |
| 11:16.30 | mickeyl | morning folks |
| 11:16.33 | rwhitby | hey mickeyl |
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| 11:17.16 | rwhitby | mickeyl: re mokomakefile - will the core team want devs to stick with the 1004 revision documented in the build procedure on the wiki, or will the core team want devs to track the latest svn revs? |
| 11:17.37 | mickeyl | the latter |
| 11:18.11 | rwhitby | ok, so now I have a stable 1004 revision build in place with mokomakefile, I should work towards getting latest svn repeatable (if it's not already)? |
| 11:18.37 | mickeyl | yeah, that'd be good |
| 11:18.57 | mickeyl | after next week i'll do some changes to ease oe-sync |
| 11:19.03 | rwhitby | are you still sticking with the same frozen OE revision (for the moment), or is a latter one used by the coreteam? |
| 11:19.52 | mickeyl | same OE version |
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| 11:19.53 | mickeyl | need to have at least one constant |
| 11:19.53 | rwhitby | ok, I'll kick off a svn head build ... |
| 11:20.29 | rwhitby | mickeyl: btw, are you ok with my sending mokomakefile CIA messages to openmoko project @ cia? |
| 11:20.50 | rwhitby | (module = mokomakefile, to keep them identifiably separate) |
| 11:21.01 | mickeyl | rwhitby: sure. everything @ projects is absolutely on topic here |
| 11:21.18 | mickeyl | can you make a wiki page for guys adding a project how to enable this? |
| 11:21.46 | rwhitby | just checking to make sure, cause they will intermingle at cia.navi.cx/projects/openmoko - I might affect your stats there :-) |
| 11:22.07 | mickeyl | heh, no worries |
| 11:22.52 | mickeyl | i really see openmoko as a project covering the whole stack -- which means there is no difference in value between our repo and others |
| 11:24.30 | rwhitby | mickeyl: got a suggested top-level category for stuff to do with setting up p.om.org projects? |
| 11:24.43 | rwhitby | (for the wiki.om.org page?) |
| 11:24.58 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 11:25.00 | mickeyl | Ecosystem? |
| 11:25.07 | mickeyl | Contributions |
| 11:25.10 | mickeyl | 3rd Pary |
| 11:25.13 | mickeyl | Party, even |
| 11:25.15 | mickeyl | pick one :) |
| 11:25.53 | koen | mickeyl: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/the-short-and-sweet-guide-to-building-openmoko-for-ngstr-m |
| 11:26.22 | mickeyl | concise |
| 11:26.24 | mickeyl | :) |
| 11:26.42 | koen | mickeyl: do you have objections to DISTRO=openmoko in .dev not using SRCDATE_foo = "now", but the default? |
| 11:26.49 | rwhitby | koen: now all you have to do is wrap a Makefile around it ... ;-) |
| 11:27.06 | mickeyl | koen: for .dev it's surely ok |
| 11:27.20 | koen | mickeyl: ok, now I can add openmoko.conf :) |
| 11:27.23 | mickeyl | i don't want it on our internal buildhost for now, but in OE it's good |
| 11:27.35 | rwhitby | mickeyl: what is the rationale behind "now" for the external devs release? |
| 11:27.49 | koen | for openmoko developers svnnow makes sense, but not for external devs |
| 11:28.00 | rwhitby | (i.e. I've changed it to 20070213 for mokomakefile rev 1004) |
| 11:28.15 | mickeyl | rwhitby: making sure everytime you trigger an image, the most recent versions are checkout out without having to touch recipes or remove stamps or issue rebuild |
| 11:28.35 | rwhitby | mickeyl: no confidence in PR updating, hey? |
| 11:29.05 | mickeyl | well, an svn commit of an application typically doesn't automatically increase PR |
| 11:29.26 | mickeyl | [different people] |
| 11:29.31 | rwhitby | nod |
| 11:30.06 | rwhitby | so you have no problem with koen and I choosing reasonable non-now dates for external devs then ... |
| 11:30.21 | mickeyl | not at all, sounds like a good plan |
| 11:30.28 | rwhitby | ok, cool. |
| 11:31.51 | rwhitby | mickeyl: is LaF0rge the projects.om.org admin too? |
| 11:32.05 | mickeyl | mostly, yeah |
| 11:32.15 | mickeyl | i guess i have access too, but he's familiar with the installation |
| 11:32.40 | rwhitby | ok, I've reported anonymous svn access (via svn:// and web viewcvs interface) both not working. |
| 11:32.57 | rwhitby | but realise it may not be top of his priority list :-) |
| 11:33.05 | koen | mickeyl: openmoko.conf is in, so the FIC bbcollection is now obsolete ;) |
| 11:33.33 | mickeyl | while you're at it |
| 11:33.42 | mickeyl | you may want to merge our tslib patch |
| 11:33.53 | koen | there was a patch? |
| 11:33.54 | mickeyl | which solves the /dev/input/mice issues once and for all |
| 11:34.38 | koen | ah |
| 11:34.43 | koen | I missed that one |
| 11:35.01 | koen | got lost in the spurious diffs due to the tslib refactor in OE |
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| 11:39.32 | rwhitby | CM: that x86_64 patch is to site/x86_64-linux in OE, not in the openmoko svn. Has it been committed to OE head? |
| 11:44.23 | koen | mickeyl: I nominate revision 89cd2556ac06a9a9dd5fe232a734dec9569772da as The Next Blessed Revision For Openmoko(TM) |
| 11:45.08 | aloril2 | faq? |
| 11:45.08 | aloril | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ |
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| 11:47.21 | empty_mind | rwhitby, wiki updated |
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| 11:53.07 | mickeyl | 89cd.... is that current HEAD? :) |
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| 11:56.26 | sixfeet | moin |
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| 12:13.53 | aloril2 | counter |
| 12:13.54 | aloril | P0: a week, 3 days 23:46:06 (4.990 - 10.990 days); P1: 26.990 - 41.990; P2: 194.990 - 224.990 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (354) |
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| 12:17.19 | koen | mickey|slides: it's the revision that has openmoko.conf and the tslib patch |
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| 12:21.10 | sixfeet | help |
| 12:26.56 | Kaco | hey, is there SDL available for openmoko? |
| 12:27.10 | Kaco | it would be quite usefull for porting games... |
| 12:27.35 | koen | Kaco: yes SDL is available |
| 12:28.33 | Kaco | cool |
| 12:28.35 | Kaco | koen, you know a lot about openmoko :) |
| 12:28.43 | koen | no, I google a lot |
| 12:28.48 | Kaco | haha |
| 12:29.01 | Kaco | i'm lazy to do that, that's why i'm asking here ... but let me check it myself |
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| 12:56.06 | rob_w | why are the gpio assingments still secret ? |
| 12:56.13 | SpeedEvil | They are not. |
| 12:56.16 | SpeedEvil | They are on the wiki. |
| 12:56.34 | SpeedEvil | But, subject to change. |
| 12:56.34 | rob_w | oh i get it |
| 13:02.44 | rob_w | hmm i2c .. i need to get know this better |
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| 13:07.15 | LuitvD | hello :) |
| 13:07.28 | Stephmw | howdy |
| 13:07.52 | LuitvD | everything allright in here? |
| 13:08.19 | LuitvD | :) |
| 13:08.20 | Stephmw | everything looks ok, the wiki is proving popular :) |
| 13:08.38 | LuitvD | yeah, from the moment it opened it was loaded |
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| 13:17.15 | sircrow | users |
| 13:18.01 | LuitvD | ? |
| 13:18.15 | sixfeet | hi LuitvD |
| 13:18.31 | LuitvD | hi sixfeet |
| 13:18.41 | sircrow | Sorry forget the slash ;-) |
| 13:19.22 | sixfeet | SpeedEvil, u'r busy writer :D |
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| 13:22.09 | LuitvD | yay, my first edit in the wiki :D |
| 13:23.16 | denis^da | so I am away skiing now :> I hope it will have a little bit of snow in the alps :) |
| 13:23.42 | denis^da | get the rest of the linuxtogowiki tranksported LuitvD :D |
| 13:24.05 | LuitvD | denis^da: lol, that's a lot of work... |
| 13:24.32 | sixfeet | denis^da, hehe na dann viel spass |
| 13:24.35 | LuitvD | the edit I made was correcting a typing-error :P |
| 13:24.46 | mikesh | i do little of transport too |
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| 13:36.43 | SpeedEvil | I'm probably going to tonight go over the linuxtogo wiki, and add bits of the information in it to the wiki. Not copy. |
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| 13:39.30 | mikesh | oldwiki have a lot of good ideas, for example /Ideas/Games |
| 13:40.04 | LuitvD | :P |
| 13:40.24 | LuitvD | mikesh: first thing I looked at on that wiki :P |
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| 13:40.49 | xkr47 | SpeedEvil, it would probably be nice in the old wiki to mention what has been transferred already |
| 13:40.52 | mikesh | it would be great to play OpenTTD in bus/tram/underground :) |
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| 13:42.47 | LuitvD | mikesh: especially because of the neo's resolution :) |
| 13:43.08 | mikesh | LuitvD: my actual phone is ngage, i just love playing on mobile |
| 13:43.33 | mikesh | LuitvD: yes, on qvga it is not possible, but vga is great |
| 13:43.39 | LuitvD | mikesh: the ngage model that you have to put to your head vertically? :P |
| 13:44.04 | mikesh | LuitvD: yes, it looks little bit strange |
| 13:44.09 | LuitvD | lol |
| 13:44.27 | LuitvD | this is what it would look like for the resolution http://www.openttd.org/images/screens/Development/frontfingburg_central.png |
| 13:44.28 | LuitvD | :) |
| 13:44.29 | LuitvD | nice |
| 13:44.56 | mikesh | cool |
| 13:45.19 | LuitvD | I love the neo's screen :) |
| 13:45.29 | mikesh | it looks like my first time of play TT(D) at 486 |
| 13:45.41 | LuitvD | :) |
| 13:47.05 | LuitvD | gloop would also be a cool game to have in openmoko... |
| 13:47.37 | LuitvD | or BRIDGE BUILDER :D:D:D |
| 13:47.52 | LuitvD | that'd be totally my game :D |
| 13:48.41 | LuitvD | bridge builder/pontifex |
| 13:48.47 | LuitvD | that'd be so cool |
| 13:49.17 | mikesh | but it is not opensource, isnt it? |
| 13:49.39 | LuitvD | I don't think so... |
| 13:49.55 | LuitvD | let's kick it's developer to turn to the FOSS side... |
| 13:49.59 | mikesh | :) |
| 13:50.16 | xkr47 | my friend tried to make his own bridge builder |
| 13:50.19 | xkr47 | in java :) |
| 13:50.40 | LuitvD | why in java :( |
| 13:52.30 | SpeedEvil | xkr47: true - as I won't be putting 1:1 pages - but scattering the information in the new wiki where it's appropriate. |
| 13:54.02 | Stephmw | LuitvD: Java is currently the best game platform (as in portable/easy to distribute/secure) for mobile devices |
| 13:54.21 | mikesh | LuitvD: do you know Pingus game? its clone of lemmings |
| 13:54.26 | LuitvD | Stephmw: I know... but it's slow, big and it's code is ugly |
| 13:54.35 | Stephmw | LuitvD: not on mobile :) |
| 13:54.36 | dottedmag | Stephmw: this is just because mobile devices used to only provide j2em |
| 13:54.40 | dottedmag | *j2me |
| 13:54.47 | LuitvD | mikesh: just my thoughts, lemmings on the neo :) |
| 13:55.02 | Stephmw | dottedmag: they don't provide a great deal more atm though - not across manufacturers |
| 13:55.08 | SpeedEvil | As a penalty, every time you kill a lemming, it nukes an mp3. |
| 13:55.12 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:55.15 | Stephmw | dottedmag: flash is only just starting to be on everything |
| 13:55.50 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: every time you kill a lemming, it toggles the gsm enable status :) |
| 13:56.12 | dottedmag | Stephmw: flash is proprietary. forget about it. |
| 13:56.39 | dottedmag | Stephmw: adobe won't manage to provide flash players for every device |
| 13:56.39 | LuitvD | lol, why not stick to GL(x)? |
| 13:57.46 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 13:57.55 | SpeedEvil | .so are shared objects - libraries. |
| 13:58.01 | SpeedEvil | These are per CPU only. |
| 13:58.05 | Stephmw | dottedmag: so, other than Java and Flash, what else are you proposing? |
| 13:58.19 | dottedmag | Stephmw: SDL? |
| 13:58.19 | SpeedEvil | The neo does not use an x86 compt CPU. |
| 13:58.27 | LuitvD | ah, right... :P |
| 13:58.28 | Stephmw | dottedmag: good luck getting that on Nokia devices |
| 13:58.35 | xkr47 | LuitvD, because we like java |
| 13:58.36 | LuitvD | should've known that |
| 13:58.52 | Stephmw | dottedmag: game authors won't write games for platforms unless that platform is on more than a few phones |
| 13:58.57 | LuitvD | xkr47: :( |
| 13:59.21 | dottedmag | Stephmw: you completely miss the point of compatibility with desktops. |
| 13:59.21 | xkr47 | I've been coding java at work for 8 years |
| 13:59.40 | Stephmw | dottedmag: not really, compatibility with desktops breaks down with screen size |
| 13:59.41 | xkr47 | I don't know why people don't like it |
| 13:59.51 | Stephmw | dottedmag: most j2se apps' UI just won't work on a phone |
| 13:59.52 | xkr47 | they just think it sucks |
| 13:59.59 | XorA | xkr47: because we are C programmers |
| 14:00.08 | xkr47 | I'm a C programmer too |
| 14:00.12 | xkr47 | and Perl, Lisp, Bash |
| 14:00.17 | xkr47 | so it doesn't explain :) |
| 14:00.31 | dottedmag | xkr47: well, Java is not very expressive language. |
| 14:00.34 | XorA | xkr47: ok, then because most Java fan boys are fulla shit :-) |
| 14:00.43 | dottedmag | Stephmw: even with VGA screen? |
| 14:00.49 | Stephmw | dottedmag: absolutely |
| 14:01.01 | XorA | xkr47: claims like RUNS FASTER THAN C (which seeing as Java is written in C) is plainly untrue |
| 14:01.07 | Stephmw | dottedmag: the problem isn't the software, it's the UI developers |
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| 14:01.13 | xkr47 | XorA, ok.. well hope you don't consider me full of shit now also :) |
| 14:01.20 | Stephmw | dottedmag: when your app is designed for 800x600+, it just plain wont fit |
| 14:01.21 | dottedmag | Stephmw: well. Let's kill all such UI developers? ;) |
| 14:01.44 | Stephmw | dottedmag: it just takes specialist designers and developers for mobile devices |
| 14:01.48 | XorA | xkr47: nah, I happened to work on Javacard for 5 years, and had misfortune to work with some "experts" |
| 14:01.58 | xkr47 | XorA, there's always FUD, but you just have to learn to filter it out |
| 14:02.13 | Stephmw | XorA: you poor, poor man... Javacard is perhaps one of the least publicised atrocities |
| 14:02.44 | XorA | Stephmw: it would be ok if a) sun hired an embedded guy, b) sun hired an embedded guy c) sun hired an embedded guy |
| 14:03.23 | XorA | instead they think that running Javacard on Java on Solaris is somehow the same as an 8 bit micro |
| 14:03.36 | xkr47 | etc |
| 14:03.43 | XorA | and we hired these mongs and killed my last company |
| 14:03.57 | xkr47 | XorA, don't blame java for that |
| 14:04.09 | LuitvD | xkr47: performance is always important... |
| 14:04.26 | LuitvD | :S |
| 14:04.31 | xkr47 | LuitvD, ok.. well if it performs well enough with java... |
| 14:04.35 | XorA | xkr47: I dont, just Sun and Fan Boys |
| 14:04.59 | *** part/#openmoko bellemerlord (n=joerg@pD954A22E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:05.56 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1040 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/defconfig-2.6.20-fic-gta01: Enable CONFIG_VTUN=m (Closes: #198) |
| 14:06.42 | xkr47 | :) |
| 14:06.50 | LuitvD | does anybody know how to use openmoko in either xoo or Xnest ? |
| 14:06.51 | xkr47 | Openmoko fanboys ;) |
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| 14:15.10 | LuitvD | lol, on the mailing somebody outputted the xdpyinfo containing this: |
| 14:15.10 | LuitvD | resolution: 75x75 dots per inch |
| 14:15.15 | LuitvD | XD |
| 14:16.10 | aloril2 | using fingers on 9x9 Go board probably works, but 19x19 Go might be harder, here is one idea: put finger down, board is zoomed and if wrong intersection is selected, move finger until right one is selected, lift finger: stone is put on board and screen is |
| 14:16.32 | aloril2 | back to show whole board |
| 14:16.44 | LuitvD | :P |
| 14:17.41 | LuitvD | lol, I fit all-but-one of the neo phase 1 requirements that mickey has put on the wiki :P |
| 14:18.01 | LuitvD | (the one I don't fit in is the 'have $350' part :P |
| 14:21.51 | mjr | aloril2, yeah, something like that |
| 14:23.46 | CoreDump|home | counter |
| 14:23.46 | aloril | P0: a week, 3 days 21:36:13 (4.900 - 10.900 days); P1: 26.900 - 41.900; P2: 194.900 - 224.900 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (355) |
| 14:24.57 | LuitvD | a month for p1 :D |
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| 14:26.47 | CoreDump|home | In about 11 days, my folks will have a bloody hard time trying to wipe that big-ass smile out of my face which has been there all day long =) |
| 14:29.45 | Stephmw | CoreDump|home: I thought we'd agreed that Neo1973 as a sextoy wasn't till 1H2008? |
| 14:31.29 | CoreDump|home | Stephmw: one can dream :) |
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| 14:45.29 | LuitvD | my soldering iron smells funny... |
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| 14:57.57 | kimuSan^ | LuitvD: stop using it for heating your coffee :-P |
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| 15:21.27 | DukeOfURL | Hello. Is international calling a significant expense for anyone on the list? |
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| 15:22.47 | DukeOfURL | Thinking about an app that would intercept a dialed intnational number, dial the local VoIP access number under the covers, and then complete the call. |
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| 15:26.39 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: that should probably be mentioned on the dialeer page under 'least cost routing'. |
| 15:27.01 | SpeedEvil | It sounds like usually VOIP over GPRS is horribly inadequate though. |
| 15:27.07 | SpeedEvil | Due to average delays. |
| 15:27.09 | DukeOfURL | Yes, I was looking for applications in the wiki |
| 15:27.22 | koen | assuming gprs is cheaper than international calling |
| 15:27.32 | Clint | should the neo1973 just charge off of miniusb, or does it do something tricky? |
| 15:27.44 | DukeOfURL | Noooooo. Dial a local number over GSM, from there it's VoIP. |
| 15:28.04 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 15:28.05 | koen | doesn't that mess up caller-iD? |
| 15:28.12 | SpeedEvil | Clint: yes. |
| 15:28.17 | DukeOfURL | Possibly |
| 15:28.27 | Clint | SpeedEvil: so if it doesn't, what's likely to be fucked? |
| 15:28.33 | DukeOfURL | Is there a site map of the wiki? |
| 15:28.49 | SpeedEvil | Clint: it charges off any source of 5V - the software may not by default switch to fast charge mode without authorisation from the host. |
| 15:29.31 | SpeedEvil | Clint: but there will probably be a checkbox 'if host does not respond in 10s, switch to high charge rate and assume it's a dumb charger'. |
| 15:29.37 | Clint | is fast charge mode 500mA? |
| 15:29.43 | SpeedEvil | Up to. |
| 15:30.27 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if this means that it's a simple linear regulator that will charge the phone fully from empty in 3.5h, or one with a SMPS, that can charge it in 2.5h |
| 15:31.00 | Clint | so it may have insufficient battery power to charge then? |
| 15:31.07 | SpeedEvil | No... |
| 15:31.19 | SpeedEvil | The USB spec says you can't take more than 100mA without consent. |
| 15:31.31 | SpeedEvil | As this may reset unpowered loaded hubs. |
| 15:31.46 | SpeedEvil | For powered hubs, they can supply 500mA. |
| 15:32.13 | Clint | and it will charge off of 100mA, or refuse like a blackberry? |
| 15:32.21 | SpeedEvil | It charges at 100mA as I understand. |
| 15:32.52 | SpeedEvil | It can be via software switched to the higher rate. |
| 15:32.52 | Clint | then something is broken here |
| 15:32.52 | SpeedEvil | Though this may crash some hubs. |
| 15:32.53 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 15:33.01 | Clint | well, it's not charging |
| 15:33.16 | SpeedEvil | It charges at 100mA as I understand, from any 5V source. |
| 15:33.49 | SpeedEvil | This will take 12h. By default it will not charge at 500mA unless the host USB device says 500mA is OK. |
| 15:34.06 | leventhal | heh.. cool, my blog has a hit from pmswout.pcg.fic.com.tw |
| 15:34.09 | SpeedEvil | Because that can cause bus resets, which will corrupt plugged in USB hard drives for example. |
| 15:35.49 | SpeedEvil | I probably need to add this tot he wiki. |
| 15:38.25 | Clint | wow, it booted and X failed to start properly |
| 15:38.35 | Clint | so i guess it's getting power now |
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| 15:41.32 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger |
| 15:41.44 | SpeedEvil | Oh - you have hardware. |
| 15:42.01 | Clint | either that or a cheap taiwanese knockoff |
| 15:42.12 | Clint | it's not mine; i am merely borrowing it |
| 15:42.18 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 15:42.21 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger |
| 15:43.46 | Clint | well, it's clearly getting power and maintaining charge now |
| 15:43.50 | Clint | though it wasn't yesterday |
| 15:44.13 | SpeedEvil | If the battery is totally drained, many devices will need some time plugged in till they'llboot. |
| 15:44.29 | Clint | is there a handy prebuilt image i can put on this thing over usb? |
| 15:44.43 | SpeedEvil | I recall seeing some on the wiki. |
| 15:45.02 | SpeedEvil | However, I have not got hardware, and am waiting for hard disk so I can install emulator. |
| 15:45.32 | SpeedEvil | Is the battery stamped 'neo' or is it from something else? |
| 15:45.54 | SpeedEvil | There was wodering yesterday if it's available on ebay, for $5, or $40 from FIC. |
| 15:46.34 | Clint | FIC, First International Computer, Model: GTC-01/GTA-01, Standard Battery PAck, 1200mAh Li-ion, Rechargeable Battery: 3.7V |
| 15:46.46 | Clint | then silly cautionary warnings |
| 15:46.56 | SpeedEvil | Can you eat the battery? :) |
| 15:47.06 | Clint | yes |
| 15:47.14 | SpeedEvil | Because I always do that if the label doesn't say not to. |
| 15:47.21 | Clint | you're in luck |
| 15:50.57 | Stephmw | Warning: sight of this item may cause deformities in unborn children |
| 15:53.36 | xkr47 | opencx |
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| 15:58.11 | LuitvD | [16:46] <SpeedEvil> Can you eat the battery? :) |
| 15:58.15 | LuitvD | everything can be eaten |
| 15:58.21 | LuitvD | but some things only once ;) |
| 16:02.16 | Clint | ah well, it's dead again |
| 16:02.26 | SpeedEvil | :( |
| 16:02.32 | LuitvD | Clint: what is? |
| 16:02.36 | SpeedEvil | It sounds like it's possibly charging at the low rate. |
| 16:02.47 | SpeedEvil | Clint: Do you own a multimeter? |
| 16:02.55 | Clint | i do, but i am not at my home |
| 16:03.14 | SpeedEvil | What's it connected to? |
| 16:03.29 | Clint | my laptop |
| 16:03.30 | SpeedEvil | LuitvD: Clint has a borrowed Neo. |
| 16:03.32 | Clint | usb drivers are unhappy |
| 16:03.35 | LuitvD | lol |
| 16:03.43 | SpeedEvil | Is it the only USB device on the laptop port? |
| 16:03.50 | Clint | yes |
| 16:03.51 | Clint | usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 |
| 16:03.51 | Clint | usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 |
| 16:03.54 | Clint | repeat for addresses 4 and 5 |
| 16:04.03 | Clint | and 6 |
| 16:04.13 | SpeedEvil | Does it say anything about overcurrent? |
| 16:04.14 | LuitvD | what's going on with that device? |
| 16:04.47 | LuitvD | do you want to speed-charge it or something? :s |
| 16:04.50 | Clint | in dmesg, no |
| 16:05.04 | Clint | last boot there were some issues with loading and unloading cdc_ether though |
| 16:05.19 | Clint | that also coincides with the neo being on, i imagine |
| 16:05.39 | SpeedEvil | Has it been left with the neo switched off, connected to the (on) USB port overnight? |
| 16:05.45 | Clint | no |
| 16:06.07 | Clint | it was unplugged until i said "wow, it's booting" |
| 16:06.26 | SpeedEvil | My guess is that it's not properly talking to your USB for some reason. So it's not switching up to high rate. |
| 16:06.27 | Clint | it had been plugged into other devices yesterday, for varied amounts of time |
| 16:06.59 | SpeedEvil | And it draws slightly from the battery in that state, even plugged in, when on. |
| 16:07.13 | Clint | switching ports, just for kicks |
| 16:07.19 | Clint | same errors |
| 16:07.27 | SpeedEvil | Do you have a desktop? |
| 16:07.32 | SpeedEvil | Or a powered hub? |
| 16:07.52 | Clint | no, i should be near one later on today though |
| 16:08.01 | SpeedEvil | Annoying. |
| 16:08.20 | Clint | yep, annoying that i can't keep this too :) |
| 16:08.22 | SpeedEvil | If it was me, I'd try turning it off, and leaving it plugged in for an hour, that should give 1/12th charge. |
| 16:08.35 | SpeedEvil | Ish. |
| 16:08.48 | Clint | i couldn't even figure out how to turn it off when it was on |
| 16:08.54 | LuitvD | :P |
| 16:09.00 | Clint | any duration of power-button holding made it reboot |
| 16:09.12 | LuitvD | Clint: ever heard of the command 'halt' ? |
| 16:09.13 | LuitvD | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.17 | SpeedEvil | Pulling the battery generally works :) |
| 16:09.18 | Clint | LuitvD: with my magic keyboard? |
| 16:09.29 | LuitvD | Clint: lol, possibly |
| 16:09.47 | Clint | okay, yanking the battery just in case |
| 16:09.59 | LuitvD | :P |
| 16:10.41 | Clint | re-plugged, the display started flashing, now stopped |
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| 16:12.09 | LuitvD | flashing? |
| 16:12.21 | LuitvD | like... regularily going on and off? :P |
| 16:12.25 | Clint | yes |
| 16:12.33 | LuitvD | or just on and off again? |
| 16:12.38 | Clint | a few times |
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| 16:12.43 | LuitvD | lol |
| 16:12.45 | LuitvD | that's odd |
| 16:12.45 | SpeedEvil | Probably try to boot, can't get enough power, crash. |
| 16:12.55 | SpeedEvil | Happens with some phones too. |
| 16:12.58 | LuitvD | must be a feature of the lcd backlight driver |
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| 16:13.08 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: most likely not that... |
| 16:13.19 | LuitvD | the chip really doesn't need that much power |
| 16:13.29 | LuitvD | and the lcd backlight even less... |
| 16:13.29 | shingoki | so...how do I get one then? |
| 16:13.32 | SpeedEvil | No, but the backlight probably does. |
| 16:13.40 | SpeedEvil | shingoki: $350 in 'late march'. |
| 16:13.42 | LuitvD | shingoki: pay 350$ and wait :P |
| 16:14.05 | shingoki | hm, late march isn't too bad, where do I pay? |
| 16:14.12 | SpeedEvil | Not announced yet. |
| 16:14.43 | shingoki | you'd think they would fix "openmoko.com" to redirect to "www.openmoko.com", I thought the site was down for a while |
| 16:14.45 | LuitvD | lol |
| 16:15.01 | shingoki | I saw some pictures though, it looks sexy :) |
| 16:15.15 | LuitvD | that's odd... openmoko.com used to work... |
| 16:15.17 | rd_ | 350$, tax included? :D |
| 16:15.18 | shingoki | I hope they do one with white main body, and some colour other than orange at the edges, maybe a nice dark grey |
| 16:15.22 | LuitvD | rd_: no |
| 16:15.27 | LuitvD | rd_: most likely not |
| 16:15.28 | rd_ | LuitvD, hehe |
| 16:15.31 | rd_ | :D |
| 16:15.37 | LuitvD | i do hope so :P |
| 16:15.47 | shingoki | $350 for a phone like that is pretty cheap |
| 16:15.49 | LuitvD | but I don't expect it to be including taxes |
| 16:16.01 | shingoki | Have they said what colours they will do? |
| 16:16.10 | thresh | pink |
| 16:16.13 | LuitvD | shingoki: yes it is... compared to a comparable (open source) phone :P |
| 16:16.21 | Clint | this one is orange and white |
| 16:16.30 | shingoki | you got one? |
| 16:16.31 | LuitvD | thresh: nice pink ain't ugly :) |
| 16:16.37 | Clint | shingoki: only temporarily |
| 16:16.43 | shingoki | cool |
| 16:16.45 | mjr | I don't think it includes taxes, but still, not a bad price |
| 16:16.54 | shingoki | Have you got an impression of battery life? |
| 16:16.58 | rd_ | shingoki, yeah, but no warranty and/or customer service |
| 16:17.02 | LuitvD | mjr: how can you tell? |
| 16:17.14 | Clint | great, i get a new usb device every second now |
| 16:17.16 | mjr | I think it's been mentioned on-list sometime |
| 16:17.17 | LuitvD | rd_: no warranty? |
| 16:17.20 | shingoki | customer service is normally useless, and I assume they will take back defective ones |
| 16:17.37 | shingoki | I'm not sure it's even legal to sell something that you won't replace if defective |
| 16:17.41 | rd_ | LuitvD, think so .. since it's developer phone? |
| 16:18.09 | LuitvD | rd_: good thinking |
| 16:18.39 | LuitvD | but I bet the P2 devices do come with warrenty... |
| 16:18.40 | shingoki | unless you are apple |
| 16:18.48 | LuitvD | s/warrent/warrant/ |
| 16:18.52 | shingoki | P2 is the one late in the year? |
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| 16:19.29 | LuitvD | shingoki: something like that... most likely |
| 16:19.34 | thresh | and glamourous edition with ponies and stars |
| 16:19.44 | shingoki | the orange and white would be fine |
| 16:19.44 | LuitvD | shingoki: if all goes as planned... |
| 16:19.53 | shingoki | I don't mind, as long as it doesn't have any silver plastic |
| 16:19.57 | LuitvD | i'd prefer the 'charcoal' version :) |
| 16:20.08 | shingoki | matte black plastic, that's the way :) |
| 16:20.09 | LuitvD | why no silver plastic? |
| 16:20.18 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1041 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (gta01-core.patch gta01-pcf50606.patch series): reorder to make sure PCF50606 driver is present before GTA01 support is added, since the latter requires the former. |
| 16:20.20 | LuitvD | sweaty? |
| 16:20.25 | shingoki | silver plastic is the most horrible looking substance on earth |
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| 16:20.31 | shingoki | thankfully it seems to be on its way out |
| 16:20.46 | LuitvD | lol, luckily black is replacing chrome |
| 16:20.47 | shingoki | because after 6 months it looks like grey plastic that has been attacked with some glue and tinsel |
| 16:21.07 | LuitvD | my palm pda still looks nice and shiny |
| 16:21.09 | shingoki | yeah lots of things are black and white now |
| 16:21.19 | Chapay | hello from russia |
| 16:21.19 | shingoki | if it's an older palm, it is probably metal? |
| 16:21.21 | LuitvD | shingoki: not black + white, black + silver :P |
| 16:21.31 | LuitvD | shingoki: nope, it's chromed plastic :P |
| 16:21.56 | LuitvD | shingoki: the Palm Tungsten|E2 |
| 16:21.56 | shingoki | well, that's leaving aside the fact that even new silver plastic doesn't look nice, it just doesn't look as bad as it will later |
| 16:22.03 | shingoki | I was sure the tungsten had a metal case |
| 16:22.05 | thresh | Chapay: hello from russia |
| 16:22.08 | shingoki | I never had one though |
| 16:22.13 | dottedmag | Chapay: hello from russia |
| 16:22.18 | Chapay | where i can down load openmoco? and i can install it on PC !? |
| 16:22.24 | LuitvD | hello from russia? |
| 16:22.37 | Chapay | thresh: dottedmag ŠŠ°ŃŠø Š² Š³Š¾ŃŠ¾Š“Šµ !? |
| 16:22.50 | LuitvD | lol |
| 16:22.50 | woglinde | chapay wiki.openmoko.org |
| 16:22.52 | dottedmag | Chapay: use english here. It's impolite. |
| 16:23.08 | LuitvD | ja joh, ik ga toch ook niet opeens nederlands praten :P |
| 16:23.09 | Chapay | dottedmag: ok sorry |
| 16:23.25 | nbd | dottedmag: using english here is impolite? |
| 16:23.32 | Chapay | woglinde: may be get url |
| 16:23.43 | dottedmag | nbd: lol :) |
| 16:23.54 | LuitvD | nbd: well seen :P |
| 16:24.02 | SuN | Hee, boeit mij niet! |
| 16:24.21 | LuitvD | SuN: lol |
| 16:24.44 | Chapay | :( irc is not good ... i go use google :( |
| 16:24.48 | woglinde | chapay you should read the wiki |
| 16:24.58 | LuitvD | lol @ Chapay |
| 16:25.07 | shingoki | Are there any good pictures of the front of the white and orange phone? I can only find pics of the back :( |
| 16:25.08 | SuN | You're right, IRC is the most horrible search engine on the web. |
| 16:25.13 | shingoki | well, and the innards |
| 16:25.14 | Chapay | woglinde: is so long//// |
| 16:25.15 | rd_ | any idea how much will they sell for the "Hacker's Lunchbox" toolkit? |
| 16:25.18 | Chapay | woglinde: is so long... |
| 16:25.22 | LuitvD | Chapay: go to wiki.openmoko.org... you can find all you need right there |
| 16:25.29 | SuN | Does have search though. |
| 16:25.50 | woglinde | chapay only the download adress would you go much further |
| 16:25.59 | woglinde | wouldnt |
| 16:26.25 | Chapay | woglinde: ok |
| 16:26.26 | rd_ | Chapay, check this first http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ |
| 16:26.35 | SuN | Almost, add one more verb and you're there. |
| 16:26.35 | LuitvD | meh, I want to go to the FOSDEM beer event... :( |
| 16:27.09 | LuitvD | SuN: ? |
| 16:27.29 | SuN | Referring to woglinde's "correction" :) |
| 16:27.36 | LuitvD | ah |
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| 16:29.41 | LuitvD | hmm, the Openmoko project should attend for google's Summer of Code |
| 16:29.51 | SuN | Good idea! |
| 16:30.00 | LuitvD | that'd boost the productivity |
| 16:30.20 | SuN | http://www.pdastreet.com/articles/2007/2/2007-2-13-3GSM-Screen-Shots.html <- has that been posted yet? |
| 16:30.27 | woglinde | hm dont know if would |
| 16:30.30 | xkr47 | Clint, hope things sort out |
| 16:31.14 | LuitvD | SuN: don't know... |
| 16:31.29 | LuitvD | SuN: It's not as nice as Openmoko :P |
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| 16:32.14 | SuN | Maybe not, but it can be an inspiration. |
| 16:32.15 | [ATM]NS | Hi all! |
| 16:32.19 | SuN | Hi |
| 16:32.38 | LuitvD | 'llo |
| 16:32.39 | SuN | It looks a lot like EZX at first glance. |
| 16:32.39 | [ATM]NS | I have a simple question: does anyone of you know when OpenMoko will be released to the public?? |
| 16:32.51 | LuitvD | SuN: what's EZX? |
| 16:32.54 | [ATM]NS | I cant wait to get it :-) |
| 16:32.55 | SuN | THe phone? September. THe source? Now. |
| 16:33.03 | [ATM]NS | TY |
| 16:33.09 | SuN | LuitvD: the ui running on Motorola Linux phones |
| 16:33.13 | LuitvD | ah |
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| 16:34.20 | SuN | Hm, a Friese hacker. |
| 16:34.36 | koen | Frysk? |
| 16:34.41 | SuN | Yup |
| 16:35.05 | SuN | Way to show your progress, by the way. 4 lousy screenshots. |
| 16:35.24 | zecke | SuN: they demoed it on real hardware and gave away funny thsirts |
| 16:35.33 | SuN | Ah, alright. |
| 16:37.57 | zecke | SuN: http://www.openembedded.org/~zecke/alp.jpg |
| 16:38.07 | LuitvD | am I the first to mention Summer of Code on Openmoko? :S |
| 16:38.18 | SuN | Mirrored? |
| 16:38.30 | zecke | SuN: sure |
| 16:38.38 | LuitvD | not a word about it on neither the mailing lists nor the wiki |
| 16:38.45 | zecke | SuN: you need to fix it yourself |
| 16:38.56 | SuN | The shirt |
| 16:38.58 | SuN | ? |
| 16:39.29 | zecke | SuN: this is the shirt. And it only looks mirrored to you |
| 16:39.37 | SuN | I dunno, closed mobile Linux solutions just don't turn me on like they used to. |
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| 16:40.22 | SuN | I can read mirrored text, no problem. Was just wondering if that's how they released the shirts. |
| 16:40.33 | zecke | SuN: no, sadly not |
| 16:40.37 | LuitvD | lol |
| 16:40.49 | LuitvD | there should be a mirrored openmoko shirt ! |
| 16:41.01 | SuN | okomnepo! |
| 16:41.05 | LuitvD | :) |
| 16:41.15 | LuitvD | with the bang on the other side |
| 16:42.03 | LuitvD | SuN: like this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/7/74/Neo.png |
| 16:42.14 | LuitvD | (that one is upside down :P ) |
| 16:43.11 | SuN | Ahh, now I see it. |
| 16:43.48 | xkr47 | sun, rotate 180 degrees |
| 16:43.49 | SuN | DOesn't that say open mofo, though? |
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| 16:44.07 | LuitvD | SuN: if it does to you, then yes |
| 16:44.16 | LuitvD | SuN: the K is somewhat deformed |
| 16:44.39 | xkr47 | it's just wide |
| 16:44.43 | xkr47 | it's not deformed :) |
| 16:44.43 | LuitvD | SuN: nice thing to have on a shirt, not? |
| 16:44.53 | xkr47 | but the FIC logo on the back reveals the orientation |
| 16:44.55 | LuitvD | xkr47: it's an odd font |
| 16:45.02 | SuN | Yeah, though I would prefer it to be normal orientation. |
| 16:45.19 | LuitvD | xkr47: i mean. just the "open moko" part :P |
| 16:45.33 | LuitvD | to confuse people that don't know what it stands for :P |
| 16:45.38 | SuN | Yeah, I don't want people trying to touch my tummy. |
| 16:45.50 | LuitvD | SuN: not? why not? |
| 16:45.56 | LuitvD | :P |
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| 16:46.15 | SuN | Selective people, sure. But not shabby old hackers and the likes :) |
| 16:46.20 | LuitvD | :P |
| 16:47.51 | LuitvD | touch screen... is that like man overboard ? |
| 16:47.51 | LuitvD | :P |
| 16:48.02 | LuitvD | or make love :P |
| 16:49.12 | xkr47 | touch: cannot touch `screen': Permission denied |
| 16:49.20 | mphill | lol |
| 16:50.33 | LuitvD | make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop. |
| 16:50.35 | LuitvD | :P |
| 16:50.50 | thresh | make tea, not love |
| 16:50.54 | LuitvD | :P |
| 16:51.41 | LuitvD | thresh: love == war? |
| 16:52.02 | Clint | xkr47: yeah, well, regardless i intend to get my own when possible |
| 16:52.49 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. Buying Interest List has hit 50. |
| 16:52.50 | xkr47 | Clint, me too.. if you report these problems to the bug tracking system maybe they can fix or document them until the phase 1 release.. |
| 16:53.06 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: where's that list? |
| 16:53.11 | SpeedEvil | The wiki. |
| 16:53.16 | LuitvD | where on the wiki :P |
| 16:53.17 | xkr47 | search "buying" |
| 16:53.21 | LuitvD | I'll attend :P |
| 16:53.22 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List |
| 16:53.34 | LuitvD | thnx |
| 16:53.56 | Clint | xkr47: well, if i have the time and resources, i intend to get the battery charged in an external charger, then get a new rootfs on the thing |
| 16:54.03 | Clint | but i have to give it back relatively soon |
| 16:54.10 | xkr47 | can anyone else see the notes I added in the remarks column ?-) |
| 16:54.21 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 16:54.24 | SpeedEvil | Everyone else can. |
| 16:54.38 | xkr47 | great |
| 16:54.51 | SpeedEvil | Oh - the unicode things. |
| 16:54.58 | SpeedEvil | On one computer, half render. |
| 16:55.07 | SpeedEvil | On the other computer, the other half render. |
| 16:55.15 | xkr47 | :) |
| 16:55.27 | xkr47 | it's a highly adaptive tune ;) |
| 16:57.30 | LuitvD | lol, editing conflict 3 times (A) |
| 16:57.46 | shingoki | Why won't palm just die? |
| 16:57.51 | xkr47 | :D |
| 16:58.10 | rob_w|tablet | tsts |
| 16:58.34 | shingoki | Actually it looks like that ACCESS thing is going to die, so that's all right |
| 16:59.19 | SpeedEvil | Palm got a lot of things right. |
| 16:59.36 | SpeedEvil | Long battery life over 'pretty' for example. |
| 17:00.19 | shingoki | yeah... but after the palm III it all got a bit pointless |
| 17:00.31 | shingoki | plus no mobile system has ever had good software... so far! ;) |
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| 17:03.32 | xkr47^ | gaah |
| 17:04.59 | LarstiQ | pfeh, took 3 turns to get it right |
| 17:09.02 | rob_w | nand_read.c:57: error: āNAND_PAGE_SIZEā undeclared (first use in this function) NOTE: package uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow-200702181702: task do_compile: failed |
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| 17:45.59 | SpeedEvil | Is stuff being done to prepare the wiki for /. load? |
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| 17:51.12 | koen | SpeedEvil: read planet.openmoko.org |
| 17:51.53 | LuitvD | allright, User:LuitvD created :D |
| 17:59.29 | LuitvD | koen: you're referring to Xoo/Xnest quite a few times... can you help me run Xoo? :P |
| 17:59.46 | LuitvD | koen: I don't have a clue of how to use it :P |
| 17:59.56 | koen | just start it |
| 17:59.59 | koen | and google |
| 18:00.08 | LuitvD | :P |
| 18:00.19 | LuitvD | allright... sorry I bothered ya then |
| 18:03.26 | stefan_schmidt | LuitvD: There is noothing magic you need to do. Just start xoo. Under Device>Pref. you can make your settings |
| 18:04.12 | LuitvD | stefan_schmidt: yeah... but that doesn't get me very far ... |
| 18:05.19 | stefan_schmidt | LuitvD: Then I think you have the problem to don't know what you like to do with it instead *how* to do it. |
| 18:05.21 | LuitvD | how do I make it run openmoko's graphical interface on it's nested X server :P |
| 18:05.30 | koen | google |
| 18:05.36 | LuitvD | XD |
| 18:06.06 | stefan_schmidt | LuitvD: Build openmoko for your platform and add the mathchbox wm as startup prog in xoo. |
| 18:06.24 | LuitvD | I've got no idea of how the X.org server loads for instance GDM |
| 18:06.48 | LuitvD | matchbox wm... let's try to install that first :) |
| 18:09.38 | LuitvD | aargh, how on earth do I tell Xserver to use matchbox wm |
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| 18:13.01 | SpeedEvil | You don't. |
| 18:13.10 | SpeedEvil | Whatever starts the X server then starts the WM on it. |
| 18:13.17 | SpeedEvil | Generally. |
| 18:13.29 | LuitvD | meh |
| 18:13.36 | SpeedEvil | X :2& |
| 18:13.37 | LuitvD | now matchbox is on my desktop :S |
| 18:13.43 | SpeedEvil | DISPLAY=0:2 |
| 18:13.48 | SpeedEvil | fvwm95 |
| 18:13.55 | SpeedEvil | or whatever, generally works. |
| 18:13.56 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: already got an Xnest server running |
| 18:14.14 | SpeedEvil | If you've got authorisation to connect to it. |
| 18:15.48 | LuitvD | yeah, THANKS |
| 18:15.57 | LuitvD | the DISPLAY=:1 was the problem :P |
| 18:16.03 | SpeedEvil | ") |
| 18:16.10 | SpeedEvil | s/"/:/ |
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| 18:16.18 | LuitvD | (it started on my destkop because of that variable still being ":0,0" |
| 18:17.01 | LuitvD | lol, and now it crashes :D |
| 18:18.00 | LuitvD | now I'm getting somewhere :) let's configure |
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| 18:35.20 | koen | ~bon appetit |
| 18:35.22 | apt | methinks bon appetit is smacznego. Guten Appetit. Eet Smakelijk. God Appetitt. Buon Appetito. Buen apetito Bom Apetite. buen apetito Smaklig måltid!. Hyvää ruokahalua. Bo Proveito |
| 18:36.53 | LuitvD | :P |
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| 18:41.35 | rob_w | can someone please fix uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow to include any dumb NAND_PAGE_SIZE into prior nand_read.c:57 |
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| 18:54.41 | orospakr | wow. Telepathy Tubes. Not only is the name awesome, but so is the concept: a reliable pipe transported over any IM system you can name. |
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| 19:42.37 | altoid | would this be a good place to mention that http://openmoko.com leads to a blank directory? (http://www.openmoko.com leads to a legit site) |
| 19:44.56 | LuitvD | altoid: has been mentioned before IIRC |
| 19:45.19 | altoid | LuitvD: k |
| 19:45.20 | LuitvD | altoid: so to answer your question: yes :) |
| 19:45.28 | altoid | hehe |
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| 19:47.39 | *** topic/#openmoko by PsP -> OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Fasaasd |
| 19:48.18 | *** topic/#openmoko by PsP -> PlayStationPortable Forever Play !!! |
| 19:49.25 | LuitvD | I hate hacking 32 bit libraries to work on x86_64 :@ especially libflashplayer |
| 19:49.34 | *** topic/#openmoko by SuN -> OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> { www|wiki|bugzilla|planet|projects|lists } .openmoko.org <> |
| 19:49.42 | d0tslash | use a chroot O_o |
| 19:49.57 | LuitvD | d0tslash: what? |
| 19:50.22 | SuN | It's not like Opera is going to release a 64bit version anytime soon |
| 19:50.32 | d0tslash | LuitvD: i've got 2 debian installations on my system, a 64bit and a 32bit one. so i can run a few applications (like firefox & games) in 32bit chroot |
| 19:50.57 | SuN | Why chroot? |
| 19:51.13 | LuitvD | d0tslash: booh |
| 19:51.20 | SuN | Don't those distros support 23 and 64 bit libs simultaneously? |
| 19:51.26 | d0tslash | because it's cleaner than ia32-libs imho. |
| 19:51.42 | d0tslash | e.g. testing code in a 32bit and 64bit enviroment |
| 19:51.43 | LuitvD | d0tslash: then why even use 64 bit? |
| 19:51.45 | SuN | Maybe, but an awful hassle. |
| 19:52.07 | LuitvD | SuN: that hassle made me turn to 32-bit :P |
| 19:52.26 | d0tslash | actually it's pretty okay, i can go with typing "l32 <program>" and it will be executed in 32bit... |
| 19:52.34 | SuN | Since mplayer started supporting wmv9 and quicktime sorensen, the only problem left is Flash. |
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| 19:52.51 | SuN | Well and Opera. |
| 19:53.17 | LuitvD | SuN: err. why mplayer? VLC already supported both wmv9 and quicktime |
| 19:53.31 | d0tslash | LuitvD: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292281 |
| 19:54.05 | SuN | They're both based on ffmpeg, they started supporting those roughly at the same time. |
| 19:54.13 | SuN | Besides that, I like mplayer better. |
| 19:55.41 | LuitvD | hell, I'll need a clean install anyways :P |
| 19:55.58 | rob__w | i hate svnnow |
| 19:56.04 | d0tslash | LuitvD: and i've written a little script, so i can do ln -s /bin/script ~/bin/mplayer so mplayer will always be executed in 32bit enviroment :> |
| 19:56.15 | LuitvD | lol |
| 19:56.23 | LuitvD | I don't use mplayer ;) |
| 19:56.30 | LuitvD | never did, and never will |
| 19:56.31 | d0tslash | it works the same for firefox |
| 19:56.35 | SuN | LuitvD: why not? |
| 19:56.47 | LuitvD | d0tslash: going for 32-bit ubuntu anyways... |
| 19:57.17 | LuitvD | d0tslash: unless you can give me a good example of something that actually works better on a 64 bit installation |
| 19:57.22 | LuitvD | SuN: using VLC |
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| 19:57.38 | SuN | Well at least I've _tried_ VLC :) |
| 19:57.49 | LuitvD | :P |
| 19:59.24 | d0tslash | mhm. i can't give good reasons. usually it's just bothering. :) maybe a good reason is not i386-compatibility, but can use new instructions (mmx) in compiler, and more register. but i don't know if this really pays off |
| 19:59.33 | d0tslash | and bignum arithmetic is faster, of course. :) |
| 19:59.50 | d0tslash | but you won't care most likely :D |
| 20:00.02 | SuN | I tried VLC but I grew tired of the cone that's always visible, I wonder why they do that: |
| 20:00.05 | SuN | http://download.videolan.org/vlc/screenshots/0.8.2/windows-wxwin-hdtv.png |
| 20:00.23 | SuN | Heh, I just use what gets the job done best in my opinion :) |
| 20:00.27 | thresh | cause we love cones |
| 20:01.05 | thresh | and the cone isnt always visible |
| 20:03.11 | LuitvD | SuN: how did you get that cone? :P |
| 20:03.27 | LuitvD | SuN: never had that one, want it too :) |
| 20:03.43 | SuN | I don't know, I was just browsing the screenshots on their site :) |
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| 20:04.34 | *** topic/#openmoko by PsP -> Žampiyon Galatasaray Rerere Rarara Galatasaray Galatasaray Cimbombom :) |
| 20:05.05 | thresh | that's at least idiotic |
| 20:05.25 | *** topic/#openmoko by SuN -> OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> { www|wiki|bugzilla|planet|projects|lists } .openmoko.org <> |
| 20:05.29 | LuitvD | :P |
| 20:05.39 | SuN | PsP: I can do this all day, how about you? |
| 20:05.40 | LuitvD | PsP: what was that for? |
| 20:07.19 | LuitvD | anyone into editing my User page on the wiki? :P |
| 20:09.06 | SuN | Alles is te koop! |
| 20:09.14 | LuitvD | ? |
| 20:09.16 | SuN | Sorry, doesn't work as well in English :) |
| 20:09.38 | SuN | I mean, for the right amount of money, I'll do anything :D |
| 20:10.00 | rob__w | hmm i cant fetch gta01-kernel-2.6-moko7-r1 |
| 20:10.17 | rob__w | SuN, bastard |
| 20:10.46 | SuN | >:) |
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| 20:20.31 | jzs | Does anyone know if the hardware in the NEO1973 phone will change between developer release and the retail release ? |
| 20:21.46 | mjr | it has been indicated that this may happen |
| 20:21.57 | mjr | (probably not very much, though) |
| 20:23.17 | jzs | okay thanks. Not that it keeps me away from buying one in phase 1. I was just curious if i had to buy a new one at the retail release ;) |
| 20:23.28 | jzs | But anyways i'll find out at that time |
| 20:23.45 | SpeedEvil | It's been stated that tehre will be discouts. |
| 20:23.50 | mjr | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-February/003117.html |
| 20:24.08 | SpeedEvil | for new changed versions for those that bought older versions. |
| 20:24.36 | jzs | oh cool thanks |
| 20:24.57 | mjr | I'll probably buy the new version, so my SO can have the older model ;) |
| 20:24.59 | mjr | anyway |
| 20:26.22 | jzs | yea i probably end up the same way |
| 20:27.02 | mjr | now for a movie with said SO |
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| 20:28.17 | koen | damn |
| 20:28.36 | koen | the community list is still as clueless since when I unsubscribed |
| 20:28.50 | SuN | What's a SO? Some sort of derogatory term for a girlfriend? |
| 20:28.58 | SpeedEvil | Significant o |
| 20:28.59 | koen | a cron job that sends 6 emails a day saying "OMG WIFI!!!" would be more efficient |
| 20:29.00 | SpeedEvil | ther |
| 20:29.03 | SuN | Ahh :) |
| 20:29.45 | SuN | Hm, he gave up without a fight. |
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| 20:50.08 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 21:06.17 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r6 10mokomakefile/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added the dialer dependency on eds-dbus |
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| 21:17.27 | jebba | hey rwhitby. Any chance of doing a makefile option (or perhaps a different makefile) that uses the latest files instead of the snapshot? |
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| 21:21.14 | rwhitby | jebba: that's the next task I'll work on today, getting latest svn to build. |
| 21:21.22 | rwhitby | one stable step at a time ... |
| 21:22.29 | jebba | rwhitby, cool, thanks. I actually haven't made it all the way to the end with the current one... |
| 21:23.25 | rwhitby | I have, but I'm waiting on anonymous svn access to projects.om.org to be fixed before I can release it. |
| 21:23.25 | koen | rwhitby: note that you can't build svn against latest OE due to STAGING_BINDIR and IPKG_foo -> PACKAGE_foo changes |
| 21:23.33 | rwhitby | (since it downloads patches from there) |
| 21:23.46 | libervisco | hi |
| 21:23.57 | rwhitby | koen: nod - I'm doing as mickey|dinner said and continuing to use the frozen OE verison |
| 21:24.00 | rwhitby | version |
| 21:24.16 | libervisco | Remember when I talked about a new site for OpenMoko-like phones (running Free Software)? |
| 21:24.27 | rwhitby | MokoMakefile never runs ahead of the core team - That's koen's role :-) |
| 21:25.00 | koen | rwhitby: if someone wants to build against current .dev they wouldn't need the bbcollection anymore |
| 21:25.51 | rwhitby | koen: right. when the core team starts doing that, then MokoMakefile will too. |
| 21:26.14 | koen | rwhitby: that's will be around p1 |
| 21:26.18 | koen | counter |
| 21:26.18 | aloril | P0: a week, 3 days 14:33:42 (4.607 - 10.607 days); P1: 26.607 - 41.607; P2: 194.607 - 224.607 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (356) |
| 21:26.23 | rwhitby | koen: nod |
| 21:26.42 | koen | so ~1 month |
| 21:27.19 | zecke | argh P0 won't make it until after FOSDEM :( |
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| 22:28.17 | greentux | wiki has no ssl for password operations...mmh |
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| 22:28.44 | greentux | ok https:// works fine... |
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| 22:57.48 | *** topic/#openmoko by mickey|dinner -> OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> { www|wiki|bugzilla|planet|projects|lists|svn|svnweb } .openmoko.org <> |
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| 23:02.23 | LuitvD | lots of logging in and out :P no talk ... |
| 23:02.32 | LuitvD | how is everybody? |
| 23:02.43 | LuitvD | s/how/how\/where/ |
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| 23:06.35 | Psi | have the phase0 ppl got there phones yet |
| 23:06.40 | Psi | ive not been keeping up with events |
| 23:07.36 | LuitvD | Psi: nope, not yet |
| 23:08.08 | LuitvD | for P0, P1 and P2 dates: /msg aloril counter? |
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| 23:10.42 | LuitvD | any of the 'core' people here? |
| 23:11.57 | mickey|dinner | on my way to bed... ask quickly |
| 23:12.15 | LuitvD | :P |
| 23:12.29 | LuitvD | will openmoko attend for Google's "Summer of Code" ? |
| 23:12.46 | LuitvD | or has there been any discussion about that as-of now? |
| 23:13.23 | LuitvD | mickey|dinner: or don't you guys know yet? |
| 23:14.00 | mickey|dinner | there has been no discussion yet. |
| 23:14.03 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 23:14.09 | mickey|dinner | it's a good opportunity |
| 23:14.11 | mickey|dinner | but honestly |
| 23:14.20 | mickey|dinner | given our load, i can't see how can organize that |
| 23:14.24 | mickey|dinner | + we |
| 23:14.26 | LuitvD | mickey|dinner: i think it's a nice way of involving people... |
| 23:14.49 | mickey|dinner | we still have a bit of time to apply right? |
| 23:14.54 | mickey|dinner | I'll talk to Sean @ FOSDEM about that |
| 23:14.54 | LuitvD | yes |
| 23:14.55 | SpeedEvil | doesn't work, as you can't get to it. |
| 23:15.17 | LuitvD | mickey|dinner: I guess till even after the p1 release |
| 23:15.33 | LuitvD | mickey|dinner: or close to that release |
| 23:15.46 | LuitvD | (thought I read 15 march somewhere) |
| 23:15.54 | LuitvD | at least untill march :P |
| 23:15.56 | mickey|dinner | oki |
| 23:16.34 | LuitvD | I think I'll be attending as studend for it if openmoko attends as mentoring organisation :) |
| 23:17.06 | LuitvD | mickey|dinner: 5 - 12 march |
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| 23:18.08 | LuitvD | mickey|dinner: if you're going to discuss with someone about this, read this: http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60303&topic=10727 |
| 23:18.10 | LuitvD | ;) |
| 23:18.50 | LuitvD | important point: number 16 |
| 23:19.01 | LuitvD | and number 17 |
| 23:19.34 | mickey|dinner | thanks |
| 23:19.40 | mickey|dinner | i'll launch coreteam discussion |
| 23:19.44 | LuitvD | you're welcome |
| 23:19.49 | LuitvD | great :) |
| 23:20.11 | mickey|dinner | g'night now |
| 23:20.15 | LuitvD | don't hurry it ;) enaugh time and many other things to do first |
| 23:20.28 | LuitvD | sleep tight :) |
| 23:20.33 | mickey|dinner | :) |
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| 23:35.54 | pavelm | Heya, everyone |
| 23:36.16 | pavelm | Are there kernel patches for openmoko available, already? |
| 23:36.26 | pavelm | (Kernel implementation of mux would be useful...) |
| 23:36.33 | SpeedEvil | There are some patches on the wiki. |
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| 23:36.40 | SpeedEvil | (I have no involvement in their writing) |
| 23:36.53 | SpeedEvil | Or knowledge of much of the kernel stuff. |
| 23:37.07 | pavelm | wiki.openmoko.org? |
| 23:37.25 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
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| 23:38.19 | jbnet | I was just looking at the wiki, I really hope this project survives... it will show other hardware companies it's okay to open your hardware |
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| 23:39.24 | SpeedEvil | ttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware has some patches |
| 23:40.00 | SpeedEvil | bluetooth/vibrator/... |
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| 23:40.55 | pavelm | ...thanks, speed. My net it slow, but I'm looking there. |
| 23:41.39 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:41.46 | SpeedEvil | jbnet: That's the point. |
| 23:41.48 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 23:41.51 | SpeedEvil | jbnet: That's the point. |
| 23:42.00 | SpeedEvil | It would be nice if the neo makes it big. |
| 23:42.17 | SpeedEvil | But if it's taken up by other vendors, and used as a springboard, it's a big plus. |
| 23:43.01 | jbnet | I hate my cellphone, and most of my other embedded devices, the hw is fine, but open the sw gdit :p |
| 23:43.07 | jbnet | I know they'll sell at least one :) |
| 23:43.15 | jbnet | (to me) |
| 23:43.18 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. The neo is nothing special at all hardwarewise (IMO) |
| 23:43.45 | SpeedEvil | If you are serious, and actually have $350 put aside for purchase, add name to the interested in buying list. |
| 23:43.58 | jbnet | yeah, I gotta get an account, I'll do that |
| 23:44.23 | pavelm | jbnet: Actually it should be possible to run openmoko sw on many other cellphones. |
| 23:44.33 | pavelm | jbnet: that beasts are _very_ similar to each other. |
| 23:44.36 | jbnet | one thing I'm curious about, I know it has GPS hw, but I haven't heard anything about any GPS software yet |
| 23:44.43 | SpeedEvil | If they are hacked for compatibility. |
| 23:44.57 | SpeedEvil | lots of twisty little devices, none autodiscoverable. |
| 23:45.09 | SpeedEvil | jbnet: that's because there is none. |
| 23:45.26 | SpeedEvil | There is 'openStreetMap' - but that's in its infancy. |
| 23:45.36 | SpeedEvil | Mapping software is nearly trivial. |
| 23:45.44 | SpeedEvil | The _hard_ expensive part is the maps. |
| 23:46.23 | jbnet | I suppose so... has anybody looked into pulling the data from google maps or something? |
| 23:46.26 | SpeedEvil | I would not be surprised the total invested in mapping is well over 10 billion dollars. |
| 23:46.35 | pavelm | speed: apt-get install gpsdrive ;-) |
| 23:46.42 | SpeedEvil | Pulling off google breaks the terms and conditions. |
| 23:46.42 | jbnet | yeah I've seen ss's for that one |
| 23:47.02 | jbnet | hrm, even if each user did it individually? |
| 23:47.07 | jbnet | as opposed to the company doing it |
| 23:47.27 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 23:47.41 | SpeedEvil | gpsdrive is good - but it's all in the maps. |
| 23:47.45 | jbnet | I suppose Google is bound by the people they get the data from |
| 23:48.11 | pavelm | OOps, I made a mistake... looked at the sources.... |
| 23:48.22 | pavelm | +/* Typedefinitions for structures used for the multiplexer commands */ |
| 23:48.23 | pavelm | +typedef struct { |
| 23:48.23 | pavelm | +} __attribute__ ((packed)) mcc_type; |
| 23:48.25 | pavelm | ...it makes me wanna cry. |
| 23:48.32 | jbnet | you said $10b invested in mapping, are you saying Openmoko have invested that? or that what it would cost? |
| 23:48.35 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. I mean, I do use them - wander round the area to load it in the cache, go there with it loaded in cache. |
| 23:48.44 | SpeedEvil | jbnet: no - the people that make the maps. |
| 23:49.19 | SpeedEvil | Consider how many sources you've got to get the data from. They are all going to charge. And most of them fundamentally came from someone walking around and mapping it. |
| 23:49.31 | SpeedEvil | Or most will charge at least. |
| 23:49.39 | jbnet | yeah I saw a thing on /. awhile back that had some pictures of the vans they use to get the data |
| 23:49.53 | pavelm | speed: actually, first you need to get good resolution aerial photos |
| 23:50.03 | pavelm | speed: only then it makes sense to walk around |
| 23:50.23 | jbnet | aren't there companies that aggrigate all that though? Don't Garmin/NavMan/etc just resell the data basically? |
| 23:50.24 | SpeedEvil | Yes - If only they'd paint the streetnames down the middle, it'd make it easy. |
| 23:50.42 | jbnet | hehe |
| 23:50.43 | SpeedEvil | jbnet: Sure - and come with - I imagine hefty usage fees. |
| 23:51.07 | jbnet | yeah, but we're not talking free as in beer here right? I don't mind paying for it |
| 23:51.08 | pavelm | speed: :-))))))))))))))) |
| 23:51.42 | SpeedEvil | I don't mind paying for maps either - if they are good. I expect tomtom may be approachable for a mapping app. |
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| 23:52.14 | SpeedEvil | pavelm: most of the devs seem to be most active 4-6 hours ago I'd say. |
| 23:52.50 | pavelm | speed: That's okay, they have more important stuff to do then clean sources up at this point |
| 23:53.19 | SpeedEvil | As long as it compiles - at the moment. |
| 23:53.21 | pavelm | speed: I thought I could use openmoko 07.10 implementation for sx1, but it needs to be cleaned up, first. |
| 23:53.38 | SpeedEvil | I imagine there is a headlong rush to get the first hardware out the door mostly working. |
| 23:53.41 | SpeedEvil | In around a week. |
| 23:54.19 | pavelm | yep... and cleaning up is bad idea when you can't recompile/boot it to make sure you have not broken it... |
| 23:56.10 | jbnet | SpeedEvil: there added myself to the buying interest, I see you're #2 :) |
| 23:56.11 | SpeedEvil | AIUI - all the devs have JTAG at the moment. |
| 23:56.11 | SpeedEvil | So bricking isn't so bad a concern. But still not good. |
| 23:56.30 | SpeedEvil | jbnet: Indeed - I want to play with adding external hardware to it inside an extended case. |
| 23:57.10 | pavelm | speed: As long as you do not play with bootloader, you should be ok (not brick). and kernel is where the most useful stuff is... |
| 23:57.11 | jbnet | oh? like what? |
| 23:57.43 | SpeedEvil | pavelm: yeah - the bootloader seems sane. And can be accessed over USB - which is kind of vital. |
| 23:57.44 | rwhitby | pavelm: are you subscribed to openmoko-kernel @ http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ ? There has been discussion about libgsmd there. |
| 23:58.08 | rwhitby | or maybe it was on gsmd-devel @ .... |
| 23:58.10 | SpeedEvil | jbnet: Like full-sized SD slot. |
| 23:58.48 | SpeedEvil | jbnet: Also perhaps double SIM support. More involved - wifi and webcam. |
| 23:58.57 | pavelm | rwhitby: No, I'm not subscribed. Will take a look at archives. |
| 23:59.09 | SpeedEvil | stylus holder and torch. However much I can pack in 4mm*40*60mm or so. |
