| 00:00.43 | Elrond | hihi. ;) |
| 00:00.49 | Elrond | counter |
| 00:00.49 | aloril | 1 week, 5 days 23:59:10 for source for all developers and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 1 week, 3 days for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks for mass market (2007-09-11): see topic for more info |
| 00:01.07 | Elrond | aloril's clock is going wrong. ;) |
| 00:01.13 | Elrond | Huh, no, it's not. |
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| 00:33.14 | aevin | Elrond: seems like "1 month" is considered 30 days for the counter. normally one would claim there's one month between 11. february and 11. march |
| 00:33.59 | aevin | just pointing it out :-) |
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| 00:52.56 | Elrond | aevin - hihi ;) |
| 00:53.06 | Elrond | Good night guys. |
| 00:53.22 | jessta__ | ~/away |
| 00:53.34 | jessta__ | oops |
| 00:56.42 | fluffs | gah, someone's broken kernel.org's git patch |
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| 01:03.55 | aevin | gn Elrond |
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| 01:10.40 | Bipolar | I take it that the wiki and projects page are not going to open until phase 0? |
| 01:11.11 | fluffs | no idea |
| 01:11.59 | alphaone | Bipolar: Yes. Sourcecode and everything else is released 02-11-2007 |
| 01:12.30 | fluffs | is there a list of irc nicks to real-world? |
| 01:13.01 | alphaone | fluffs: Not that I know of. |
| 01:13.13 | Bipolar | alphaone: cool. I can't wait to start hacking on it |
| 01:13.22 | rwhitby | fluffs: people often (but not always) put their real name in the IRC info |
| 01:14.45 | rwhitby | (e.g. /whois fluffs) |
| 01:14.49 | alphaone | Bipolar: Yeah, me too |
| 01:16.21 | Bipolar | alphaone: do you know if I'm going to need to do anything special to get a phone on the developers release? or is it just a first come, first served thing? |
| 01:16.50 | fluffs | is the phase0 guest list secret? |
| 01:19.24 | Bipolar | I don't mean getting a free one... I just mean buying one in march |
| 01:19.56 | rwhitby | fluffs: I've been told it's up to each phase0 dev whether they wish to reveal their status or not. |
| 01:20.18 | rwhitby | a number have done so already on IRC or planet.openmoko.org |
| 01:20.40 | fluffs | aha |
| 01:21.47 | Bipolar | heh |
| 01:22.40 | rwhitby | heh - that would be poor form indeed. |
| 01:23.35 | Bipolar | yeah... I'd kinda pissed to see one on ebay... I probbly couldn't afford it :) |
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| 01:24.15 | alphaone | Bipolar: Phase 0 is for selected devs only. Phase one is free for all as I understand |
| 01:24.57 | Bipolar | alphaone: ahh... ok. phase 1 was the one I was interested in. I don't think I'd qualify for phase 0 :) |
| 01:25.23 | Bipolar | I havn't been this excited about a device since I worked with the zaurus |
| 01:28.33 | rwhitby | fluffs: you got a phase 0 ? |
| 01:28.41 | fluffs | yes |
| 01:29.25 | rwhitby | I was a lucky one too :-) |
| 01:30.45 | fluffs | http://www.fluff.org/ben/linux-26/status.html |
| 01:31.22 | fluffs | or you mean real-world address? |
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| 01:31.43 | parazzZZ | >:) |
| 01:32.13 | parazzZZ | I'm Ben Dooks, a computer programmer living and working in Manchester, UK. I write software, produce bad HTML and ocassionally experiment with the weird and wonderful possibilities that cooking food has to offer |
| 01:32.24 | parazzZZ | score, next time i'm home, i can swipe your phone |
| 01:33.11 | parazzZZ | oooh, you work for simtec? |
| 01:33.20 | fluffs | yes |
| 01:33.28 | snatches | anyone have any links to tutorials on how to get the Neo working with a local service provider? |
| 01:33.50 | Clint | insert SIM? |
| 01:34.01 | parazzZZ | do they have any graduate jobs going for august? |
| 01:34.13 | snatches | is it really that easy? I really haven't hacked around on phones very much? |
| 01:34.22 | yacc | snatches: The advanced stuff, e.g. data services: insert SIM, enter APN. |
| 01:34.25 | fluffs | I don't think so atm |
| 01:34.31 | yacc | snatches: that's a GSM phone. |
| 01:34.40 | yacc | snatches: SIM == Subscriber Identification Module. |
| 01:34.47 | snatches | yea, I assume I need to make sure my provider uses the right type of network |
| 01:34.53 | yacc | snatches: GSM phones are designed for that stuff. |
| 01:35.05 | yacc | snatches: it needs to be a GSM network. |
| 01:35.14 | yacc | snatches: as the Neo is a GSM phone. |
| 01:35.28 | fluffs | last time i bought a sim card, they gave me a free phone |
| 01:35.32 | snatches | yea, so I'll be switching from sprint once I get my hands on that Neo. anyone have one in their possesion yet? |
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| 01:36.05 | snatches | fluffs: you mean you bought a sim, with a free cell phone wrapper :) |
| 01:36.33 | fluffs | well, i went in bought the sim, and then asked if i wanted a free phone and bluetooth headset |
| 01:36.48 | snatches | was this in the US? |
| 01:36.57 | fluffs | nope |
| 01:37.09 | snatches | will these guys look at me funny if I just walk and say " I want to buy a sim, and that's all?" |
| 01:37.55 | fluffs | i got a data-only sim for my gsm card, and then we upgraded our laptops and no longer have the capability to use pcmcia cards |
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| 01:38.01 | yacc | snatches: probably not. It's the best deal for the network => no phone to pay for ;) |
| 01:38.13 | fluffs | snatches: I got an UK SIM from O2 (data only) |
| 01:38.22 | yacc | fluffs: there are acceptable USB UMTS "cards" ;) |
| 01:38.53 | fluffs | yacc: can't be bothered, my parents have finally seen the light and gotten adsl, which was the only destination left without reasonable connectivity |
| 01:39.22 | yacc | fluffs: ;) |
| 01:39.26 | fluffs | and i can cope with 3hrs on the train w/o connectibity |
| 01:39.35 | snatches | well i'm pumped to get a new phone, just want to make sure I can get it hooked up to use it. again, anyone in here have one yet? |
| 01:39.56 | yacc | fluffs: GSM/UMTS on a train is not much fun anyway, IMHO. |
| 01:40.02 | fluffs | yeah |
| 01:40.19 | yacc | snatches: nope. but the Neo is a standard QuadBand GSM phone. |
| 01:40.49 | yacc | Basically, it works everywhere you've got a GSM network => it can access all 4 frequency bands. |
| 01:42.13 | snatches | yea, I've been a Sprint customer since I've owned a phone, looks like I'll be picking from Cingular or T-Mobile now |
| 01:42.25 | yacc | snatches: => trust me, swaping SIM cards works. Doing it to often, like say multiple times per week, does tend to use up the SIM card/SIM card holder after some months. |
| 01:42.43 | yacc | snatches: basically, does your current phone have a sim card? |
| 01:42.59 | yacc | If yes, it's probably a GSM phone already. |
| 01:43.09 | snatches | this might be a good time to find out, let me see if I can crack it open |
| 01:43.20 | yacc | AFAIK, non-GSM phones have their identity linked with the phone. :( |
| 01:43.21 | Bipolar | yacc: nextel/sprint have sims and are not gsm :\ |
| 01:43.34 | yacc | Bipolar: really, what kind of network? |
| 01:43.45 | yacc | Bipolar: See, learned something new. ;) |
| 01:44.01 | Bipolar | yacc: CDMA, I think... |
| 01:44.20 | snatches | yea, a guy I worked with opened his phone one time and was surprised that he didn't have a sim, found the slot where it should have been |
| 01:46.58 | snatches | do all GSM networks require a SIM card for the handsets? or is it just a company decision? |
| 01:47.17 | parazzZZ | I've never seen one without a SIM |
| 01:48.34 | snatches | I am less worried about this now. All I need to do is figure out if I'm gonna get slammed with penalties if when I ditch Sprint |
| 01:49.19 | yacc | snatches: all GSM networks require a SIM card. |
| 01:56.38 | snatches | so, since I've asked all my noobie questions twice over, what brings everyone else to this chat? what makes you interested in this project? |
| 01:57.06 | snatches | personally, I think it's a neat phone, but I'm anxious to see what it could do for the mobile learning market |
| 01:57.31 | fluffs | me, i'm the s3c24xx maintainer |
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| 01:58.22 | snatches | that's the chipset, right? are you a Samsung employee? |
| 01:59.08 | snatches | that's the other reason I'm excited about this phone, I'd buy a pooper-scooper if it had a Samsung logo on it :) |
| 02:01.08 | fluffs | nope, no affiliation with samsung |
| 02:02.58 | snatches | so are you going to whip me if I ask you about when wifi will be available :) |
| 02:03.59 | snatches | or maybe the question should be about feasibility |
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| 02:06.02 | Bipolar | snatches: I think the bigest problem is that the development cycle for a cell phone is so long. When it started, there were no wifi chipsets suitable. |
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| 02:13.45 | snatche1 | but that's just me talking |
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| 02:27.31 | snatche1 | asdf |
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| 02:42.44 | Genesis | bye |
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| 03:28.52 | noidd | back |
| 03:29.03 | noidd | xkr47: you there? |
| 03:42.01 | b_lindeijer | noidd: It's half past 4, sleep! |
| 03:43.56 | bhima | It's only 22:43 here. |
| 03:45.12 | b_lindeijer | Oh so you can wait. |
| 03:46.02 | Clint | who doesn't? |
| 03:46.13 | bhima | Most people have never heard of it. :) |
| 03:46.47 | Clint | they don't count |
| 03:47.04 | thedaniel | counter |
| 03:47.04 | aloril | 1 week, 5 days 20:12:58 for source for all developers and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 1 week, 3 days for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks for mass market (2007-09-11): see topic for more info |
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| 04:05.08 | noidd | impatience |
| 04:13.40 | b_lindeijer | Enticement. |
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| 04:14.55 | b_lindeijer | Cry boy cry. The eye of the tiger! Don't ... don't you want me? |
| 04:15.58 | b_lindeijer | 80s rocked. Sometimes I wished I was born 10 years earlier. |
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| 05:30.10 | aloril2 | counter |
| 05:30.10 | aloril | 1 week, 5 days 18:29:49 for source for all developers and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 1 week, 3 days for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks for mass market (2007-09-11): see topic for more info |
| 05:32.34 | bhima | How does one get on the selected developer list...? |
| 05:34.18 | CM | bhima: By both being a known developer, and sending a mail to the address on the openmoko.com webpage |
| 05:36.43 | bhima | Is the site down? I can't get to it. |
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| 05:39.14 | thedaniel | bhima: i think they've made the list already tho |
| 05:39.21 | xkr47 | noidd, yeah |
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| 05:41.30 | PirateHead | Anybody got hardware yet? Huh? Huh? |
| 05:43.59 | Bipolar | PirateHead: don't worry... as soon as developers start getting them, there will be plenty of them gloating and showing them off. :) |
| 05:44.01 | bhima | PirateHead: Nope. My OS just runs, psychically, in the ether. |
| 05:44.36 | PirateHead | Bipolar: I'm anxious to see more screens, reviews, etc. |
| 05:45.04 | Bipolar | me too |
| 05:45.24 | Bipolar | I'm going to get the code running in an emulator as soon as it's released |
| 05:45.31 | PirateHead | bhima: are you playing Duke Nukem 3D? I hear it's also running psychically in the ether. |
| 05:46.33 | Bipolar | this kind of thing reminds me so much of the Zaurus release :) |
| 05:46.36 | PirateHead | that is, Duke Nukem Forever..... |
| 05:46.37 | bhima | PirateHead: I've tried it, but Ir eally prefer DukeNukem For^WWhenever |
| 05:47.28 | bhima | I wanna see it running on my 770 and controlling a bluetooth phone. |
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| 06:31.33 | CM | Morning :) |
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| 06:38.36 | krassswr | Hello. |
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| 06:46.07 | krassswr | Is there plans to put cammera in open moko ? |
| 06:47.53 | CM | Maybe in future phones, but not in version 1 |
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| 06:48.20 | cjb | cameras make more sense for wifi phones. you aren't going to do videoconferencing over GPRS.. |
| 06:48.53 | CM | cjb: Works pretty good on 3G phones too, I've worked some on that |
| 06:49.08 | cjb | sure. but moko isn't 3G. |
| 06:49.23 | CM | Nope, not v1 :) |
| 06:49.54 | CM | I really wonder what kind of hardware they can get for the next Neo phone |
| 06:55.04 | krassswr | When did you expect next version of openmoko ? |
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| 07:02.16 | CM | krassswr: The announcement (see topic) says about a year after v1 |
| 07:02.34 | krassswr | :( |
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| 07:09.54 | krassswr | Wht did you will say about "Linux Mobile Foundation". Thay say that will write specifications fot open api. What will openmoko do ? |
| 07:11.53 | CM | krassswr: OpenMoko will probably laugh at them. That's some kind of "members only" business initiaive group. OpenMoko is more of an open community effort |
| 07:12.17 | CM | s/That's/LiMo is/ |
| 07:13.03 | krassswr | :) thanks for answer. |
| 07:13.38 | CM | No problem. I'm not a dev or so, but I read and listen to what they say. ;) |
| 07:17.47 | krassswr | CM: I like open source. I'm useing Debian. But I think that for first phone with openmoko will be dificult to compare with other phones on same price. |
| 07:18.30 | CM | krassswr: With the Neo1973 (The first phone that uses OpenMoko) you will get a really good phone for the price |
| 07:18.52 | CM | The screen and processing power is very very good for 350$ without a contract |
| 07:19.24 | krassswr | :) I'm waiting to see it in market in Bulgaria. |
| 07:19.53 | CM | counter |
| 07:19.54 | aloril | 1 week, 5 days 16:40:06 for source for all developers and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 1 week, 3 days for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks for mass market (2007-09-11): see topic for more info |
| 07:20.43 | krassswr | :) |
| 07:21.58 | CM | krassswr: So you can order it online in March if you want :) |
| 07:23.02 | krassswr | CM: Did you hear other manifactures plan to create phones using openmoko or FIC is the only in the moment ? |
| 07:23.42 | CM | FIC is the only one now, but the OpenMoko platform should be possible to port to other phones too |
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| 08:15.10 | hrw | morning |
| 08:15.26 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 08:58.48 | fluffs | bah, despite specific instructions on friday, boss did not have board ready this morning |
| 08:59.05 | fluffs | and hadn't told the office manager we where going to be in early |
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| 09:51.21 | alphaone | counter |
| 09:51.21 | aloril | 1 week, 5 days 14:08:38 for source for all developers and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 1 week, 3 days for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks for mass market (2007-09-11): see topic for more info |
| 09:56.09 | XorA | :-) |
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| 10:04.52 | hrw|work | hi Mac |
| 10:12.44 | TRIsoft | hrw|work: hi hrw :-) |
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| 10:33.25 | greentux | hi hrw|work |
| 10:35.42 | hrw|work | hi greentux |
| 10:44.07 | CM | Nice, free pdf: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2782821882.html |
| 10:44.50 | CM | I'd like to use the Neo for reading |
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| 11:16.55 | Elrond | hrw|work - I'm from germany. But I will probably be in Poznan in april. |
| 11:18.02 | hrw|work | Elrond: want to meet? |
| 11:18.38 | Elrond | hrw|work - We could, yeah. ;) |
| 11:19.55 | hrw|work | Elrond: ok. |
| 11:20.39 | TRIsoft | hrw|work: He just wants to play with your Neo :D |
| 11:21.53 | Elrond | TRIsoft - Of course. ;o) |
| 11:22.05 | TRIsoft | Elrond: If you want to play with it earlier, visit us in Hannover ;-) |
| 11:23.32 | hrw|work | TRIsoft: one user promised me cab from trainstation to airport during my fosdem travel just to have a possibility to look at neo ;D |
| 11:23.56 | Elrond | *giggle* |
| 11:24.12 | TRIsoft | hrw|work: *G* |
| 11:27.22 | Elrond | TRIsoft - Hmm, a 4 hours train travel just to play with the Neo? ;) |
| 11:28.26 | madwoota | and ? what ? you're still thinking about it ? :P |
| 11:29.26 | rwhitby | Anyone near Adelaide, South Australia is welcome to drop into the LinuxSA march meeting where I will be demoing the Neo ... |
| 11:31.25 | madwoota | adelaide eh, only 800k's |
| 11:32.19 | Stephmw | XorA: bah, I'm likely to train it from London |
| 11:32.59 | XorA | Stephmw: I hadnt considered that option, whats the price/time like |
| 11:33.10 | pH5 | Hi, does anybody know whether the GSM baseband chip in the Neo is similar to the ones used in HTC Alpine, Blueangel, Himalaya and Magician? They have some TI GPRS chips that run the Nucleus OS on an arm7tdmi core. |
| 11:34.17 | Stephmw | XorA: likely a little more dear than the plane, but more convenient (arriving in central brussels rather than the airport) |
| 11:34.38 | Stephmw | XorA: where are you in the UK? |
| 11:34.42 | XorA | Stephmw: hmm, + the 50 quid from scotland to london, probably a bit much |
| 11:34.52 | Stephmw | yegads |
| 11:34.59 | Stephmw | XorA: yeah, take the plane :) |
| 11:35.38 | l3010o | swim with neo |
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| 11:39.10 | stefan_schmidt | hi all |
| 11:39.14 | zecke | hey! |
| 11:39.41 | Elrond | Hi stefan_schmidt |
| 11:40.12 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, planet.openmoko.org is slow. My blog entries from last night still don't show up. |
| 11:40.33 | Elrond | TRIsoft - Braunschweig is a little cheaper for me, so I probably could take a look at stefan_schmidt's neo ;o) |
| 11:41.03 | CM | stefan_schmidt: Good blog entries though, and I agree with the sync:ing part. :-) |
| 11:41.18 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: np, just drop me a line. |
| 11:41.35 | stefan_schmidt | CM: thanks |
| 11:41.45 | TRIsoft | Elrond: We should create a map with "I have a Neo" spots ... |
| 11:42.02 | Elrond | TRIsoft - Yeah. ;) |
| 11:42.37 | stefan_schmidt | TRIsoft: Could be funny |
| 11:42.40 | Elrond | TRIsoft - Just some .gpx with all the coords. ;) |
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| 11:42.59 | stefan_schmidt | TRIsoft: Shortest distance to the neo next to you. |
| 11:43.25 | Elrond | *G* |
| 11:43.25 | CM | That could be a cool app |
| 11:43.32 | CM | I mean later on too |
| 11:43.46 | Elrond | I'm in Darmstadt. So who's nearest to me? ;o) |
| 11:43.58 | CM | Find nearest neo with the "locate me" program on. |
| 11:44.36 | stefan_schmidt | Ah, even alphaone started blogging. I pester him more then one year for it. :) http://www.totalueberwachung.de/blog/ |
| 11:44.41 | Elrond | CM - Oh, you mean with live update? ;) |
| 11:44.45 | XorA | pity I wont have a Neo for Edlug this week |
| 11:45.01 | CM | Elrond: Exactly. It's a gps on it, use it :-) |
| 11:45.15 | CM | Doesn't cost much to upload some gps coordinates via gprs |
| 11:45.28 | Elrond | tihi ;) |
| 11:47.09 | CM | stefan_schmidt: I meant is as something you can turn on and off of course |
| 11:47.16 | CM | :-) |
| 11:48.11 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Well, instead we check the gsm logs of your provider ;o) |
| 11:48.22 | stefan_schmidt | CM: Right at least that. On the one side i like the idea on the other I don't feeling comfortable with to much infos from me in the net. |
| 11:48.41 | stefan_schmidt | That's the reason why I only blog about technical stuff, nothing private |
| 11:48.43 | XorA | sounds like a find someone to mug service |
| 11:48.55 | CM | stefan_schmidt: Totally agree. There's always logs everywhere, google caches and such |
| 11:49.24 | CM | XorA: Nice that you can spot a good opportunity! ;) |
| 11:51.40 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: But it wasn't because of you pestering me or I would have started a lot sooner. |
| 11:53.11 | alphaone | But with my involvement in openezx and openmoko I just can't resist the urge any more. :-) |
| 11:53.59 | Elrond | *G* |
| 11:56.55 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: heh |
| 12:03.56 | Elrond | So stefan_schmidt is nearest to me? ;) |
| 12:04.37 | TRIsoft | Elrond: Don't know. Maybe your neighbor also gets a freebie :D |
| 12:05.23 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: alphaone and Shoragan are dirctly in Braunschweig. I'm in a town near to it (27 km). But I'm in BS more or less every day. Study and work. |
| 12:06.06 | Elrond | Hi Shoragan |
| 12:06.23 | Elrond | Braunschweig sounds like the neo-center of germany ;) |
| 12:06.53 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 12:07.10 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: I would guess Berlin has a chance to top it |
| 12:07.43 | CM | I think the name sounds weird. Brown silence or what? (Sorry, was 10 years ago I last studied any german) |
| 12:08.12 | TRIsoft | Yep. Also weird for Germans :D |
| 12:08.28 | TRIsoft | I prefer a hangover in Hannover :-) |
| 12:08.54 | Elrond | *g* |
| 12:09.51 | alphaone | :-) |
| 12:10.02 | alphaone | Alright, got to go to work now. |
| 12:10.04 | alphaone | Cya |
| 12:10.13 | pH5 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunswik_(onomastics) |
| 12:12.11 | CM | pH5: Thanks. Couldn't help thinking of schweigen first.. ;) |
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| 12:58.07 | Morgret | Nokia 770 peeps: do you get spammed with vCards/hCards over wifi in public places, or bluejacked through Bluetooth? The Neo1 doesn't have wifi but we'll have additional sources of spam through phone voicemail and SMS, and this area will probably grow and get worse. |
| 12:59.24 | Morgret | Also some great group apps, like event vCards directly tying into GPS-based tracking etc, should be fun. But there's also potential for abuse. |
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| 12:59.45 | Hadaka | Morgret: hasn't happened to me yet - but it sure is going to be a growing trend - I'd say the default needs to be not to accept anything from outside sources without the user somehow signalling he is willing |
| 13:00.06 | Hadaka | Morgret: like the bluetooth applet in gnome - you can make your computer discoverable for 3 minutes, after which it automatically turnsit off |
| 13:00.26 | Morgret | Hadaka: yeah. It's bound to happen as soon as direct marketting get their teeth into it. |
| 13:00.45 | Hadaka | there was something in slashdot recently about that |
| 13:03.20 | Morgret | Funnily enough, Second Life brought this to mind, because people can IM you a placecard and you can just port to the specified location. While we don't have teleports yet (:-), the GPS and our feet give us a poor man's version. ;-) |
| 13:10.00 | Elrond | tihi. eventcard with the gps coords of a black hole ;o) |
| 13:10.07 | Elrond | (that's abuse then ;) ) |
| 13:10.13 | Morgret | lol |
| 13:10.44 | Morgret | More seriously ... with the coordinates of a group of muggers. :-( |
| 13:11.26 | Elrond | Yeah. :-( |
| 13:12.01 | mjr | yes, that seems to be the more realistic abuse option, considering that gps is limited to Earth |
| 13:12.13 | Morgret | It is? |
| 13:12.14 | Morgret | :P |
| 13:12.26 | SpeedEvil | And ner orbits. |
| 13:12.31 | SpeedEvil | Near orbits. |
| 13:12.42 | SpeedEvil | You can use it out to around the moon. |
| 13:13.00 | SpeedEvil | But the position accuracy - especially distance to earth goes bad. |
| 13:13.23 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - You'll try that with the neo? ;o) |
| 13:13.24 | Morgret | I wonder whether the AMSAT community has GPS code that works outside of the GPS orbit. |
| 13:13.45 | SpeedEvil | No, you'd need to tweak the positioning code, and put a largish antenna on it. |
| 13:14.18 | SpeedEvil | I really doubt stock positioning code would lock on the moon, even with a large antenna pointed at earth. |
| 13:14.55 | SpeedEvil | (the GPS satellites point the beam down at earth, but you can see satellites that are close to the horizon from where you are if you are in orbit. |
| 13:15.24 | Morgret | Hehe, I didn't mean that far out. The subtended angle would be too small there for positional accurace, I expect. Even if the signal were strong enough to use. |
| 13:15.53 | SpeedEvil | The positioning isn't great - it is usable - remember you've got no ionospheric problems. |
| 13:16.32 | Elrond | We need the universal positioning initiative ;o) |
| 13:17.18 | Elrond | neo-v3 will have an upi-chip ;) |
| 13:17.40 | mjr | yes; NASA needs to start sending out von Neumann probes to other systems immediately. So that they can provide positional data. |
| 13:18.09 | Morgret | Yeah, but very limited angular resolution. And remember that the doppler info is greatly reduced, because doppler from movement "overhead" decreases to zero with distance. |
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| 13:20.18 | Morgret | mjr: and to ensure that good data is captured, those probes should be piloted by politicians. Oh, and lawyers. We need LOTS of those probes. :P |
| 13:21.00 | Elrond | Morgret - *lol* |
| 13:21.47 | Morgret | Douglas Adams got it right ... :-) |
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| 13:22.38 | Elrond | Wasn't there some phone cleaning issue? |
| 13:22.41 | mjr | Morgret, good idea, my man |
| 13:22.52 | mjr | or woman, as the case may be as far as I know |
| 13:23.13 | Elrond | woman on irc? ;) |
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| 13:23.39 | Morgret | Elrond: yeah, but that stemmed simply from insufficient tech. We'll just cover our phones in self-sterilizing nanomachines. :P |
| 13:24.01 | Elrond | Morgret - Ahh, okay. ;) |
| 13:24.15 | Morgret | Men, women? I thought everyone on the Internet was a dog. ;-) |
| 13:24.19 | SpeedEvil | If you can get 1m positioning without the ionospheric error at 20000Km distance (earth-GPS), with only satellites near the horizon, then the dilution of precision at 20 times this distance means you've got 20m or so positioning. That's really not at all horrible, when there is no alternative. |
| 13:28.00 | Morgret | SpeedEvil: thinking about that |
| 13:28.00 | Elrond | mjr - You opened Morgret's secret gender. Now she will be flooded with apointments. ;o) |
| 13:28.00 | SpeedEvil | It's _rather_ irrelevant to the neo though :) |
| 13:28.01 | Morgret | Elrond: I just pass them to my dog. Who is also online. |
| 13:28.02 | mjr | what, no sponsorship deals yet with future Moon expeditions? |
| 13:28.02 | CM | 202 nicks here, I'm guessing max 1 girl, but please prove me wrong. ;) |
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| 13:28.03 | Elrond | mjr - Ahh, like "first linux phone on moon! Get a Neo now!" ;o) |
| 13:28.03 | mjr | 'course, I don't think there's GSM roaming on the Moon yet |
| 13:28.03 | mjr | but boy, that'd be cool |
| 13:28.03 | SpeedEvil | All you need is a pressurised container, and a USB moon lander. |
| 13:28.04 | mjr | (self-powered) |
| 13:28.04 | Elrond | BT-on-moon ;) |
| 13:28.20 | Elrond | pressurised container? The neo does not work in vacuum?! |
| 13:28.37 | Morgret | Well the planets won't get GPS until the military starts wanting to bomb the place. Which I'm sure is already being planned. |
| 13:29.16 | MetaMorfoziS | lol |
| 13:29.24 | Elrond | Morgret - galileo might be interested ;o) |
| 13:30.36 | mjr | "Thanks to the planetary location system, our smart missiles can accurately be aimed at a spesific planet of our choosing, thus minimizing collateral damage" |
| 13:32.04 | Morgret | Elrond: given the makeup of the Galileo consortium, I think they're confused about who they want to bomb. Probably each other, and this just saves costs. :P |
| 13:32.27 | Elrond | mjr - *LOL* |
| 13:35.49 | Morgret | Re working in a vacuum ... components vary in that. I don't have figures, but anything manufactured in air and sealed hermetically but not armoured is simply going to pop in vacuum. |
| 13:35.54 | Elrond | I wonder, wethere we in openstreetmap should mark dangerous areas, so goto-"muggers"-eventcards can be warned upon ;o) |
| 13:36.53 | Elrond | Morgret - Yep. Hmm, the only hermetically sealed component, I can think of, is the akku. |
| 13:37.02 | Elrond | mjr - :-) |
| 13:37.20 | Morgret | SIGs within OSM, why not. Just like there will probably be good food markers placed by gourmet SIGs. The important thing is that they be selectable as sets. |
| 13:38.12 | Elrond | "SIGs"? (my tla-memory is overloaded.) |
| 13:38.22 | mjr | The cosmic radiation is also a problem for components. Sure, they may develop mutant powers like line-of-sight BT between the Moon and Earth, you do realize that it's, like, ten times more likely that they just fry at some point? |
| 13:38.22 | Morgret | Special Interest Group |
| 13:39.24 | Morgret | So the personal security SIG would populate the map with danger points, the good food SIG with restaurants, etc. You choose the set(s) viewable on the map. |
| 13:40.10 | Elrond | Morgret - Ahh. :-) |
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| 13:40.25 | Elrond | I should add some pubs. ;o) |
| 13:40.37 | Morgret | Can also be done simply with tags on place markers. |
| 13:41.18 | Elrond | Morgret - That's, how it works currently. |
| 13:41.57 | Morgret | Cool |
| 13:42.40 | Morgret | mjr: van allen belts |
| 13:44.26 | Morgret | Ie. worse than just cosmic radiation, it gets channeled and heavily reinforced in the belts. The moon astronauts (lunatics?) sped through them, but even so got a dose. |
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| 13:47.07 | Morgret | So, have any Phase 0 devs excluding the core ones received theirs yet, and posted pics? |
| 13:47.14 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 13:47.28 | SpeedEvil | The announcement has been made by email as to who's gettingthem. |
| 13:47.53 | Morgret | Yeah, heard people say. No ETA though? |
| 13:48.00 | SpeedEvil | counter |
| 13:48.01 | aloril | 1 week, 5 days 10:11:58 for source for all developers and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 1 week, 3 days for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks for mass market (2007-09-11): see topic for more info |
| 13:48.36 | SpeedEvil | Though that's probably postage time. |
| 13:48.39 | Morgret | I mean ETA for receipt on Phase 0 devices by those notified. |
| 13:48.47 | Zer0Her0_ | i'm actually glad the first batch is for select developers as i am switching jobs this month and have no money. :) |
| 13:49.02 | SpeedEvil | Well, ETA'd likely be a week or so after they get posted. |
| 13:50.05 | Morgret | Zer0Her0_: also, they'll be under a lot of pressure. Phase 1 devs can be more relaxed, they pay for theirs so if they want to doss around, they're entitled to. ;-) |
| 13:50.27 | Zer0Her0_ | exactly :-) |
| 13:51.48 | mjr | yeah, I probably don't have time to do anything really fancy with the device, so I'll happily pay for it to avoid any sense of obligation ;] |
| 13:52.42 | Elrond | tihi |
| 13:53.08 | mjr | though I _would_ have the money _now_ ;P |
| 13:53.28 | SpeedEvil | Well, place the money in a drawer? |
| 13:53.57 | Morgret | Other than an interest in using it and extending it for OSM, I don't yet have an fixed goals. Prolly mess with Bluetooth, get it working with my barcode scanner, etc. |
| 13:56.15 | stefan_schmidt | Morgret: BT barcode scanner? |
| 13:56.27 | stefan_schmidt | Morgret: With 2D barcode support? |
| 13:56.33 | Morgret | Mine is, yeah |
| 13:56.48 | Morgret | The Flic, a very popular one. |
| 13:57.07 | Elrond | Morgret - I'd be interested in your work on osm. :) (I'd be willing to help!) |
| 13:58.07 | Morgret | Not 2D barcodes, no. Stuff like PDF417 is very cool, but not particularly useful. |
| 13:58.25 | stefan_schmidt | Morgret: Sweet. I have done some research and coding on datamatrix encoding |
| 13:59.12 | Morgret | stefan_schmidt: funnily enough, that's one of the few really good uses of cameraphones :P |
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| 14:00.02 | stefan_schmidt | Morgret: Right. This and OCR are the only use cases I have for a cellphone camera. :) |
| 14:00.10 | mjr | indeed |
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| 14:04.01 | SpeedEvil | Document capture. |
| 14:04.12 | Morgret | Unfortunately, barcodes have a similar problem to GPS maps in practice: the barcode lookup repositories are either sparse and poor, or else they're good but commercial. Last I looked there wasn't an incremental community barcode lookup resource, that people could improve. Beyond ISBN, it's a mess. |
| 14:04.13 | SpeedEvil | Even a modest camera and stitching. |
| 14:05.33 | SpeedEvil | Sigh - I need a new font, or a less pervy brain. Read that earlier comment as "Dominatrix capture". |
| 14:05.48 | Morgret | lol |
| 14:07.59 | Morgret | SpeedEvil: I've not looked at stitchin images, but I needed it recently. Is there a good website on the topic? |
| 14:10.55 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - *lol* |
| 14:12.39 | Morgret | Well ... there's no doubt that sex sells. So perhaps SpeedEvil's brain intuitively found a way of selling more Neos .... |
| 14:14.06 | Elrond | *lol* Find the next *censored* using your neo. ;o) |
| 14:14.52 | Morgret | And of course Telus, the huge Canadian phone company, has just started selling pr0n. So it's on topic :P |
| 14:15.26 | Morgret | T'was on Slashdot yesterday. |
| 14:16.05 | mjr | *hmm...* |
| 14:16.27 | mjr | a Neo app that displays a porn image based on geolocation |
| 14:16.49 | mjr | killer app! |
| 14:16.56 | Stephmw | mjr: 3 gay nightclubs in my area... I don't wanna know. |
| 14:17.16 | mjr | we can customize, women raisin their burkas a tad for Saudi-Arabia |
| 14:18.56 | Morgret | Well it's an open phone, it'll have whatever apps people want on it, not only those apps that meets someone's idea of political/social correctness. |
| 14:19.20 | Morgret | Obviously :P |
| 14:19.33 | Elrond | mjr - I hope, you don't live in that country currently? ;o) |
| 14:19.43 | mjr | nah, Finland |
| 14:19.59 | Stephmw | ahh, the country of mixed saunas |
| 14:20.11 | mjr | it's all just fine here, unless you publish the picture of Mohammed, then the prime minister scolds you |
| 14:20.37 | mjr | (hmm, Mohammed porn...) |
| 14:21.09 | Stephmw | Morgret: absolutely - god knows, someone found a use for http://www.getjar.com/products/48/MyGirls |
| 14:21.13 | mjr | I'm just full of ideas today |
| 14:21.52 | mjr | Stephmw, ok, now it's certain that somebody'll port J2ME |
| 14:22.05 | Stephmw | mjr: indeed... "Can handle multiple women" |
| 14:22.08 | Morgret | Stephmw: I'm not going to look that up. I've learned my lesson in the past :P |
| 14:22.21 | Stephmw | Morgret: SFW link, honest |
| 14:22.37 | mjr | yes, it's quite safe |
| 14:22.44 | mjr | not very tasteful though |
| 14:22.50 | Elrond | tla-overflow-exception: SFW ;) |
| 14:23.15 | Stephmw | Elrond: SFW: Safe-For-Work... NSFW: NOT-Safe-For-Work |
| 14:23.27 | Elrond | Ahh. ;) |
| 14:23.32 | Stephmw | mjr: agreed |
| 14:23.33 | Elrond | I'm at work. ;o) |
| 14:23.43 | Stephmw | mjr: although, I actually know a guy who found it of use |
| 14:24.11 | Elrond | <-- getting to the buffet now. ;) |
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| 14:24.40 | mjr | (but then, I'm one to talk about tastefulness) |
| 14:24.53 | Morgret | Now that you mention it, I had to code IRC TLAs into Festival to get the speech synth working nicely, which isn't a good way of doing it. Is there some TLA expansion app, or even better one that can expand to phonemes too? |
| 14:25.23 | Morgret | Forget the phonemes, just the words will do. |
| 14:25.31 | SpeedEvil | Indeed, it's vital to expand trans lunar abort properly. |
| 14:25.38 | Morgret | Hahahaha |
| 14:25.55 | alphaone | Morgret: wtf |
| 14:26.01 | SpeedEvil | What's wrong with going to words? |
| 14:27.04 | Morgret | Well, it's one of the fun things about TLAs, the fact that they're not 1:1, and overlap with common words or sounds. I always giggle when friends say thanks with "taa" on a channel ... because it comes out here as something quite different. :P |
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| 14:29.02 | alphaone | Morgret: wtf has a file with mappings in /usr/share/misc/acronyms |
| 14:29.21 | SpeedEvil | Just pronounce letters of two or fewer capitalised words in sequence? |
| 14:30.29 | alphaone | elara /home/alphaone # wtf is lol |
| 14:30.30 | alphaone | LOL: laughing out loud |
| 14:31.16 | benJIman | Morgret: it's "Ta" one a |
| 14:31.23 | fluffs | 14:18 < Morgret> Well it's an open phone, it'll have whatever apps people want |
| 14:31.26 | fluffs | gah |
| 14:32.58 | noidd | fkuffs: that's freedom :-) |
| 14:34.19 | hap | will the UI be better than Hildon/Nokia N800 ? |
| 14:34.25 | hap | ok, i'm leaving now |
| 14:34.38 | SpeedEvil | It can be. |
| 14:34.52 | SpeedEvil | The problem is what's 'better' will vary per user. |
| 14:34.55 | hap | SpeedEvil: can it be worth? |
| 14:35.07 | SpeedEvil | worth? |
| 14:35.44 | SpeedEvil | The development of the phone is not done yet - the ideal is to get a easy to use, powerful, extendable phone software suite. |
| 14:35.59 | SpeedEvil | That can be setup differently for different users. |
| 14:36.19 | SpeedEvil | If you find something especially annoying, it's probably going to be possible to change it. |
| 14:36.27 | SpeedEvil | For you to change it. |
| 14:38.05 | Morgret | "done yet" isn't really a concept in an open phone. Mom and Dad will have a specific view of it as a fixed product ... but that's not really what it's about, might as well just buy a cheap contract phone. |
| 14:38.28 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 14:39.06 | SpeedEvil | I think it's fair to say that it's 'done' when you can hand it to several users of different sorts and they don't find glaring problems with it. Improvement will of course continue. |
| 14:39.46 | Morgret | Also, we need the basic functionality so that sales to Mom and Dad can fund the project. And also so that reviewers don't massacre us. |
| 14:40.37 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. If it can't function as a 'normal' phone using all the hardware, like nokia can, it's going to be messy at review time. |
| 14:43.58 | Morgret | Sounds like we need some non-tech people to assess the ergonomics/usability of the default build. But not sure such people even exist in this community. |
| 14:44.47 | CM | Show it to some friends :) |
| 14:45.24 | Morgret | I don't have any. :P |
| 14:46.04 | noidd | how about a passport? |
| 14:50.30 | SpeedEvil | Parents? |
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| 14:51.09 | SpeedEvil | IMO, clone the Nokia/Samsung/... interface and you won't go horribly wrong. |
| 14:53.54 | skome | I am a mobile user experience guy |
| 14:54.21 | skome | usability, interaction design, work flow analysis |
| 14:54.48 | skome | happy to help with whatever, whenever |
| 14:54.48 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: other than the various lawsuits ;-) |
| 14:55.03 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning a composite, not a blatant ripoff :) |
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| 14:57.11 | skome | device UIs vary by carrier, so you need to pick a 'Cingular Samsung [Model] [Year]'. |
| 14:57.34 | skome | But then you'd be ripping off a bunch of UI elements designed to sell Cingular products |
| 14:58.13 | Sketch | cingular's not too bad except they put "shop cingular" right on the main menu of most of their phones |
| 14:58.25 | Sketch | at least from what i've seen, they don't horribly cripple them like verizon tends to do |
| 14:58.49 | skome | agreed. I wasn't picking on them. Oh, and thank you, btw |
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| 15:00.40 | Sketch | for what? ;) |
| 15:01.49 | Sketch | my latest samsung seems to be suffering from function overload though. there are 2 different buttons on the phone that bring up submenus with 3-4 functions on it, and there's no way to redefine those buttons or submenus |
| 15:02.05 | skome | Which model? |
| 15:02.12 | Sketch | A707 (aka SYNC) |
| 15:02.26 | skome | Oh yeah. Nice phone. |
| 15:02.32 | skome | How's the battery life? |
| 15:02.39 | Sketch | sucks ;) |
| 15:02.51 | skome | It's a slim phone, whatcha gonna do. |
| 15:02.52 | Sketch | i hear that's common for all HSPDA phones |
| 15:03.08 | skome | That too. Lot of demand on a skinny battery |
| 15:03.12 | Sketch | nod |
| 15:03.19 | SpeedEvil | I in some ways really want to go back to mono screens on phones. Colour screens that need lots of power are annoying. |
| 15:03.29 | Sketch | it's livable though...if i charge it every other day, i never see the battery indicator go down |
| 15:03.38 | skome | That has a NetFront browser; very advanced |
| 15:03.47 | Sketch | yeah, it's got a pretty big screen too, QVGA res |
| 15:03.53 | skome | Can open pdfs and run javascript even |
| 15:04.17 | Sketch | yeah, though i've found it doesn't work with a lot of javascript heavy stuff |
| 15:04.44 | skome | No, and actually I am struggling with CSS on that one. Certain things don't want to work. |
| 15:04.57 | skome | Javascript is a major power consumer |
| 15:06.14 | Sketch | i find running opera on the zaurus connected via bluetooth is better ;) |
| 15:06.20 | Sketch | (bigger screen too) |
| 15:06.44 | Stephmw | talking of Opera, I really like their mini version |
| 15:06.48 | skome | I'd love to play with a Zaurus. |
| 15:07.09 | Sketch | i read recently that samsung signed a deal that they are going to start putting opera on their new phones |
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| 15:08.27 | skome | that'd be great. Too many one-off proprietary browsers on mobiles now. |
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| 15:25.00 | aevin | this channel is growing every week :) |
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| 15:25.25 | aevin | #openmoko: Total of 205 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 204 normal |
| 15:29.54 | CM | aevin: Ask aloril2 for some real stats :) |
| 15:30.58 | Elrond | aevin - We should mrtg/munin it. ;o) |
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| 16:03.48 | Morgret | Does a GSM module have its own hardwired/registered ident number, equivalent to the Bluetooth device address or a MAC address? |
| 16:04.11 | hrw|work | Morgret: yes. its called IMEI |
| 16:04.17 | Morgret | Tnx |
| 16:04.22 | hrw|work | ~imei |
| 16:04.36 | hrw|work | International Mobile Equipment Identificator |
| 16:06.29 | hrw|work | on cellphones you can check it with *#06# |
| 16:06.30 | ynezz | wonder if it would be possible to change it :p |
| 16:06.37 | Morgret | It's got a page of its own on Wikipedia, cheers. |
| 16:06.58 | XorA | IMEI is normally easy to chage |
| 16:07.13 | ynezz | i mean on neo |
| 16:07.27 | XorA | ynezz: Ill bet there is an instruction to do so :-) |
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| 16:08.01 | Morgret | Oh, that's not what I was asking about then. I wanted to know if there is some totally hardwired/registered number that cannot be changed. |
| 16:08.52 | Morgret | You know, the kind of thing to feed into conspiracy theories about government tracking etc :P |
| 16:08.54 | ynezz | imei+sim numbers are used when you connect to network |
| 16:09.02 | ynezz | as i understand it... |
| 16:09.20 | XorA | Morgret: IMSI in the Sim is what you think of |
| 16:09.28 | XorA | ~imsi |
| 16:09.44 | XorA | IMSI + Ki in SIM is used to authenticate you |
| 16:09.50 | leventhal | IMEIs aren't supposed to be easy to change |
| 16:10.10 | XorA | leventhal: its as easy as plug in cable, fiddle registers |
| 16:10.38 | noidd | if I was xkr47, where would I be... |
| 16:10.43 | ynezz | XorA: really just IMSI+Ki ? not +IMEI also? |
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| 16:11.19 | XorA | ynezz: IMEI is sent, but is not involved in the process, IMEI can be blocked at Network level, but doesnt identify you as a customer |
| 16:11.20 | xkr47 | noidd, in irc |
| 16:11.24 | XorA | ynezz: only a handset |
| 16:11.25 | leventhal | Ah.. okay. That easy sure, not something you can change within a phone menu. |
| 16:11.32 | xkr47 | noidd, why ?-D |
| 16:11.33 | noidd | superb |
| 16:11.48 | noidd | You asked if I saw your answer to my question |
| 16:11.50 | noidd | I did not |
| 16:11.51 | ynezz | XorA: so if you change your sim, they still know it's you |
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| 16:11.55 | xkr47 | :) |
| 16:11.55 | noidd | and I was away when you asked |
| 16:12.11 | noidd | also - WRU link to the scanomatic moko web thingy :-) |
| 16:12.14 | XorA | ynezz: your SIM identifies a customer, not the phone |
| 16:12.23 | xkr47 | 18:13 < noidd> queston: anyone know where xkr47's scanning countown page is? |
| 16:12.26 | ynezz | i mean police and so |
| 16:12.28 | ynezz | :p |
| 16:12.37 | xkr47 | 17:12 < xkr47> noidd, scanning countdown ? do you mean the javascript thing ?-) |
| 16:12.39 | noidd | actually, the SIM identifies the SIM :-P |
| 16:12.41 | xkr47 | 17:27 < xkr47> noidd, one could maybe do some nice gallery with that whatwg thing.) |
| 16:12.52 | xkr47 | :) |
| 16:13.19 | noidd | So, linky? :-) |
| 16:13.30 | noidd | I thought it was on http://xkr47.outerspace.dy |
| 16:13.52 | noidd | but that is not resolving in DNS for me |
| 16:15.20 | xkr47 | http://xkr47.outerspace.dyndns.org/ |
| 16:15.39 | xkr47 | http://xkr47.outerspace.dyndns.org/tmp/openmoko-pixldown2.html |
| 16:16.29 | ajturner | nice xkr47 |
| 16:16.35 | noidd | rock - thx |
| 16:16.58 | xkr47 | :) |
| 16:17.12 | noidd | xkr: any chance of setting up one of those for phase 0? :-) |
| 16:17.24 | xkr47 | hehe |
| 16:17.40 | noidd | btw, that is a gorgous piece of code. |
| 16:17.48 | noidd | it actually makes me want to learn javascript |
| 16:17.54 | noidd | probably the first time too |
| 16:18.02 | xkr47 | :9 |
| 16:18.08 | xkr47 | there's a link to the whatwg site |
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| 16:19.25 | aloril2 | 215 nicks at 2007-01-26 is current record |
| 16:19.54 | xkr47 | hihhei |
| 16:20.49 | hrw|work | xkr47: finally I saw that page |
| 16:20.56 | noidd | any chance you could do the second one? |
| 16:20.59 | xkr47 | hrw :) |
| 16:21.08 | noidd | I mean, I could gratuiously steal but that would be rude ;-) |
| 16:21.18 | xkr47 | noidd, working on it already :) |
| 16:22.01 | noidd | rock :-) |
| 16:22.04 | alphaone | wow |
| 16:22.12 | alphaone | That really rocks :-) |
| 16:22.43 | alphaone | Great idea, xkr47 |
| 16:22.47 | xkr47 | :) |
| 16:24.52 | noidd | I have a day counter in my cube |
| 16:25.04 | xkr47 | :) |
| 16:25.19 | noidd | There are a few people who walk past me and sing |
| 16:25.22 | noidd | "Hello Moko" |
| 16:26.21 | tg | haha:) |
| 16:26.25 | xkr47 | :D |
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| 16:32.17 | tuxmaniac | Hi People. I jut hard that the first few hardware pieces of the Neo phone is gonna be shipped to some "special" people free of cost. |
| 16:32.20 | ajturner | nice - is there an OpenMoKo jingle? |
| 16:32.33 | tuxmaniac | Is there a way to obtain it by paying some amount? |
| 16:32.39 | Clint | counter |
| 16:32.39 | aloril | 1 week, 5 days 07:27:20 for source for all developers and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 1 week, 3 days for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks for mass market (2007-09-11): see topic for more info |
| 16:33.06 | ajturner | tuxmaniac - March 11 |
| 16:33.51 | tuxmaniac | ajturner> From MArch 11 I can get it by paying some amount? |
| 16:34.23 | hrw|work | tuxmaniac: 50 developers will get free phones after 02.11 |
| 16:34.36 | hrw|work | tuxmaniac: after 03.11 other developers can buy phone for 350 USD |
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| 16:34.47 | hrw|work | tuxmaniac: after 09.11 phone will be available for anyone |
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| 16:35.31 | Morgret | "09.11" doesn't sound like a good reference. |
| 16:35.43 | tuxmaniac | Morgret> heh.. true |
| 16:35.45 | tuxmaniac | :-) |
| 16:35.51 | ssvb | hrw|work: is hardware finalized already or there may be other hardware revisions later? |
| 16:36.02 | noidd | xkr: wru updated timer :-) |
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| 16:36.09 | Sketch | new slogan: openmoko - never forget? ;) |
| 16:36.14 | ssvb | hrw|work: or the first 50 developers will be used as guinea pigs? ;-) |
| 16:36.31 | cbpage | it's not possible to make any real hw changes in one month |
| 16:36.34 | hrw|work | ssvb: no hardware changes rather |
| 16:36.34 | cbpage | there's a 6 month lead time |
| 16:36.35 | xkr47 | noidd, http://xkr47.outerspace.dyndns.org/tmp/openmoko-pixldown3.html |
| 16:36.42 | noidd | :-D |
| 16:36.43 | cbpage | 6 week, sorry |
| 16:36.44 | tuxmaniac | ssvb> may be thats why I am not feeling disappointed that I am not among the 50 developers ;-) |
| 16:36.45 | Sketch | is there some qualification for being a developer? or is anyone who wants to buy a phone considered a developer? :) |
| 16:36.46 | cbpage | i have teh major dumb |
| 16:37.03 | noidd | yeah baby! |
| 16:37.31 | cbpage | nifty :) |
| 16:37.48 | xkr47 | added cross links |
| 16:37.59 | tuxmaniac | Is there a possibility of contributing wthout the hardware? |
| 16:38.08 | tuxmaniac | I mean till I get the hardware shipped? |
| 16:38.28 | ynezz | yes, you can write kernel device drivers |
| 16:38.46 | xkr47 | surely software also ?-O |
| 16:39.04 | hrw|work | Sketch: for buying after 3.11? |
| 16:39.26 | tuxmaniac | hrw|work> Yes. I would like to know whether anyone can buy it after 3.11 too ?? |
| 16:39.49 | Sketch | hrw|work: yeah |
| 16:40.00 | hrw|work | tuxmaniac: anyone can but phone software is not ready for normal users |
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| 16:40.36 | Sketch | cool |
| 16:40.45 | tuxmaniac | hrw|work> yeah.. Ofcourse |
| 16:40.59 | SpeedEvil | All I care about is can it run firefox :) |
| 16:41.17 | SpeedEvil | (it probably will, not very fast or well though) |
| 16:41.35 | tuxmaniac | SpeedEvil> May be you need to attach some extra RAM chips somewhere ;-) |
| 16:42.01 | mikesh | what does it mean "software is not ready for normal users"? neo can`t make calls or send sms? or what? |
| 16:42.26 | alphaone | mikesh: Calls will probably work. |
| 16:42.31 | SpeedEvil | I have run for around a year, FF on a 128M machine. Modulo frequent restarts, it's not too bad. |
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| 16:42.42 | alphaone | But don't expect any fancy features at that poin |
| 16:42.43 | alphaone | t |
| 16:42.52 | SpeedEvil | I think it'ss safe to say that it will work for all the basic features, but not be pretty. |
| 16:43.32 | mikesh | ok, good |
| 16:43.48 | mikesh | so i can make calls, send sms and be software tester :) |
| 16:43.55 | sjoerd | minimo would be a much better choice then firefox.. |
| 16:43.58 | SpeedEvil | Basically, yes. |
| 16:44.07 | alphaone | yeah |
| 16:44.12 | koen|gprs_ | webkit would be even better as megamo |
| 16:44.14 | SpeedEvil | probably, yes. |
| 16:44.18 | XorA | sjoerd: minimo is a) dead, b) as slow or slower than firefox c) totally unstable :-) |
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| 16:44.49 | SpeedEvil | If only firefox had actual debug tools. |
| 16:44.52 | Morgret | FF and a phone are not an ideal match. The S3C2410 is a teeny weeny little thing guys. |
| 16:45.00 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
| 16:45.04 | Sketch | opera might work, the phone is ARM isn't it? |
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| 16:45.23 | sjoerd | Hrm, i though minimo was still somewhat alive.. :( |
| 16:45.31 | SpeedEvil | It was a silly comment mainly - I have run it on PII/300/128M - but I think that's maybe 4-5 times as fast. |
| 16:46.08 | XorA | firefox on zaurus 5500 was too slow to use, on c7x0 pxa255 it is easyilly usable, Neo is somewhere inbetween the two |
| 16:46.54 | aloril2 | SpeedEvil: use FreeNx and run firefox elsewhere? |
| 16:47.08 | SpeedEvil | X over GPRS, what a good idea :) |
| 16:47.29 | Sketch | hehe |
| 16:48.24 | SpeedEvil | Seriously though, even having the option of actually running firefox if you find a site that the mini browser will not load is a good one. |
| 16:49.05 | bhima | What about hacking the firefox engine to take in HTML and output (x,y,fontInfo, text) and (x,y,imageURL) stuff? |
| 16:49.23 | bhima | THat wouldn't work for dynamic content, unfortunately. |
| 16:49.29 | koen|gprs_ | what about just ignoring gecko and using webkit? |
| 16:49.38 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: actually freenx is pretty good over gprs |
| 16:50.09 | CM | I say webkit too |
| 16:51.00 | Morgret | CM: I'm not set up for podcasts --- what's a good FOSS app to handle them? |
| 16:51.42 | CM | Morgret: Just download the mp3 :) |
| 16:51.55 | Morgret | CM: that's cheating :P |
| 16:52.07 | CM | Otherwise I use mplayerplug-in |
| 16:52.24 | CM | Morgret: http://lugradio.org/episodes/70 :P |
| 16:53.21 | FirefighterBlu3 | i haven't ever had minimo crash on me, but it is slow |
| 16:54.03 | SuN | A better name would be "maximo". |
| 16:54.20 | FirefighterBlu3 | true to it's roots, it uses a lot of memory |
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| 16:55.13 | SuN | Webkit/khtml sounds like a good idea. |
| 16:55.22 | koen|gprs__ | stupid vpns |
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| 17:18.45 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: congrats for your FOSDEM talk! |
| 17:18.54 | mickeyl | my submission wasn't accepted this year !? |
| 17:19.05 | koen|edge | it wasn't? |
| 17:19.11 | mickeyl | nope. was pretty surprised |
| 17:19.21 | mickeyl | guess we (openembedded) need to open our own room next year :D |
| 17:20.05 | mickeyl | probably all the new and cool developments in BitBake and OE weren't impressive enough ;) |
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| 17:26.33 | koen|edge | mickeyl: btw, gtk is *very* snappy on the n800 |
| 17:26.46 | koen|edge | mickeyl: please include a fpu in v2 :) |
| 17:26.58 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 17:27.08 | mickeyl | v2 cpu will blow you away |
| 17:27.19 | armijn | and a kitchen sink. |
| 17:27.21 | koen|edge | and/or update the integer pixops patch |
| 17:27.21 | armijn | :P |
| 17:27.30 | mickeyl | i already pestered pb to do that for us |
| 17:27.46 | koen|edge | ah, cool |
| 17:27.48 | mickeyl | i hope i don't need to, but if he doesn't, i will |
| 17:27.58 | koen|edge | I had the same thought this morning |
| 17:28.40 | mickeyl | koen|edge: please bring your 800 to FOSDEM, I'd love to have a look |
| 17:28.40 | koen|edge | will do |
| 17:28.41 | mickeyl | cool |
| 17:28.52 | koen|edge | now I have a old-style -> new style charger plug thingy |
| 17:29.03 | armijn | the specifications for the Neo1973 says: |
| 17:29.06 | armijn | * Unpowered USB 1.1 |
| 17:29.08 | koen|edge | so I can charge my phone and n800 from one charger |
| 17:29.15 | mickeyl | that's cool |
| 17:29.16 | armijn | what exactly does that mean? |
| 17:29.28 | mickeyl | armijn: usb host can't provide power for gadgets |
| 17:29.37 | mickeyl | armijn: you need a battery powered hub |
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| 17:29.41 | armijn | ah |
| 17:29.42 | mickeyl | to attach gadgets |
| 17:29.52 | armijn | makes sense |
| 17:29.55 | mickeyl | and it's not UTG, so you need some fancy conversion cable |
| 17:29.57 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 17:30.08 | cying | any GPU in v2? |
| 17:30.49 | cying | if you want eyecandy and to preserve battery life, a GPU would help there |
| 17:31.28 | mickeyl | GPU is probably too expensive |
| 17:31.39 | mickeyl | we might try to kill it with sheer processing power |
| 17:31.42 | cying | rats |
| 17:31.54 | cying | kill eyecandy problem? |
| 17:32.30 | cying | having the power doesn't worry me that much, the existing processor can handle most of what i'm thinking of |
| 17:32.41 | cying | but i'm worried about power consumption / battery life when running the eyecandy |
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| 17:32.51 | koen|edge | mickeyl: hand me one of those 3dlabs devboards you seem to have :) |
| 17:33.55 | mickeyl | koen|edge: hehe, i haven't. i only have rumours which i'm not allowed to spread, but if those contain any grains of truth, then 2008 will be an unbelievable year |
| 17:34.12 | koen|edge | hmmm |
| 17:34.19 | MDK | 2008? |
| 17:34.34 | alphaone | mickem: Wow. 2007 already is unbelievable |
| 17:34.42 | moo_tang_clan | MDK: he means the next Neo, but remember we're in 1973 right now :( |
| 17:34.54 | MDK | the "eyecandy" word is driving me nuts |
| 17:35.10 | MDK | especially in the context of management usage |
| 17:35.19 | MDK | err, when used by management |
| 17:35.23 | armijn | too much eye candy will lead to eye rot |
| 17:35.40 | MDK | eyecandy is a buzz word |
| 17:36.04 | MDK | when you don't have a better word for a GUI feature -- you call it eyecandy |
| 17:36.13 | Sketch | it's better than "lickable"... |
| 17:36.23 | MDK | it also makes comparisons more easy |
| 17:36.34 | MDK | "iPhone has more eyecandy than X" |
| 17:36.56 | Robot101 | more stetic |
| 17:37.17 | armijn | which iPhone? :P |
| 17:37.52 | MDK | while 'eyecandy' is actually a mixture of usability, UI, design, animation, perfection, visual consistency, symetry etc. |
| 17:38.07 | MDK | but it's easier to just don't give a shit |
| 17:38.09 | armijn | I have one of those Linksys ones (WinCE based), it can't even handle a simple portscan |
| 17:38.16 | MDK | and say "we need more eyecandy" ;) |
| 17:39.21 | armijn | hoping the neo1973 will be able to resist that |
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| 17:43.47 | bhima | Some eye candy is silly, but sometimes things like animations are actually _really_ useful for helping you develop an intuitive feel for where things are. |
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| 17:44.26 | mickeyl | i agree |
| 17:45.17 | mickeyl | animations are no go for the Neo1973 (due to the SoC), however I believe if wisely used, we can actually improve mobile devices usability with 'em |
| 17:45.29 | bhima | I find UIs that animate things somewhat less jaring. |
| 17:45.54 | bhima | I'm sure it can handle static bitmap sliding at least. |
| 17:47.06 | bhima | When it's late at night, I want 'ringing' to be the light for the room I'm in flashing. |
| 17:47.34 | SpeedEvil | You need add-on goggles for that :) |
| 17:48.19 | bhima | What sort of goggles? |
| 17:48.31 | SpeedEvil | Ones that can turn on and off to block the light. |
| 17:49.03 | bhima | What if all my lights are X10 controllable and I have a server with PHP that lets you control them? |
| 17:49.17 | paulproteus | bhima, And what if that server runs on the openmoko? |
| 17:49.43 | SpeedEvil | I'd imagine the 'external binary to call on ring' is trivial. |
| 17:49.59 | bhima | paulproteus: The server runs on a system with a serial port, transmitting RF to an RF to X10 converter. |
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| 17:50.35 | SpeedEvil | If you can talk to the server via bluetooth, sure. |
| 17:51.11 | bhima | bluetooth or TCP/IP. |
| 17:51.50 | bhima | I previously had a cellphone that would move an overhead projector to wherever you were sitting in the room, and display the name of the caller for you. |
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| 17:55.21 | bhima | (projector mounted to pan-tilt head, and a 3D model of the room to deal with perspective correction) |
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| 18:34.37 | xkr47 | for the record, the only eyecandy X has is the background pattern when starting up without a window manager :) |
| 18:35.34 | mickeyl | which is more like... eyetrash |
| 18:35.36 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 18:35.44 | xkr47 | hi mickely! |
| 18:35.48 | xkr47 | + spell |
| 18:36.04 | xkr47 | what's your heartbeat currently ?-)) |
| 18:38.03 | Morgret | mickeyl: just heard your spot on lugradio --- well done, you wowed them, and turned 4 anarchic loons into 4 eager fans :-) |
| 18:38.30 | xkr47 | :D |
| 18:38.37 | mickeyl | hehe, thanks Morgret |
| 18:39.22 | mickeyl | xkr47: it's ok, i'm stying cool. my schedule is crazy but panicing won't help ;) |
| 18:39.33 | xkr47 | any sleep lately ?-P |
| 18:39.38 | Elrond | lugradio? |
| 18:40.13 | mickeyl | ~lugradio |
| 18:40.49 | mickeyl | apt: lugradio is LugRadio is a fortnightly British radio show that takes a relaxed, humorous look at Linux and open source. |
| 18:40.50 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, mickeyl |
| 18:40.52 | xkr47 | oh no, the bot is sleeping ;) |
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| 18:41.01 | xkr47 | lol |
| 18:41.05 | mickeyl | it's just lagging |
| 18:41.23 | Morgret | [17:02] <CM> Morgret: http://lugradio.org/episodes/70 |
| 18:41.26 | Elrond | apt, botsnack |
| 18:41.26 | apt | Elrond: thanks |
| 18:41.27 | Elrond | ;o) |
| 18:41.57 | alphaone | Geeks and their pets :-) |
| 18:42.03 | mickeyl | ~lugradio |
| 18:42.04 | apt | methinks lugradio is a fortnightly British radio show that takes a relaxed, humorous look at Linux and open source. |
| 18:42.18 | mickeyl | apt: lugradio is also http://www.lugradio.org |
| 18:42.19 | apt | mickeyl: okay |
| 18:43.10 | Morgret | Twas nice. This whole thing is just so refreshing. We get so cynical about the commercial world because it's so full of crap and treat people like cattle. This restores your faith in people a bit. |
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| 18:43.31 | alphaone | xkr47: I like http://xkr47.outerspace.dyndns.org/tmp/openmoko-pixldown3.html |
| 18:43.39 | alphaone | The pixels move so fast :-) |
| 18:43.40 | xkr47 | :) |
| 18:43.46 | xkr47 | hehe |
| 18:44.21 | xkr47 | I kindof regret doing that.. now I keep looking at the "dark si^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hfaster side and... |
| 18:45.06 | Elrond | Morgret - Yep. |
| 18:45.06 | alphaone | Morgret: Yeah it seems like the companies are finally getting the Idea of FOSS. |
| 18:45.14 | alphaone | :-) |
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| 18:45.49 | alphaone | mickeyl: Do you know how long shipping usually takes? |
| 18:46.03 | Morgret | alphaone: I'm not actually keen on the pixel counter, it's too much like commercial hype building. It feeds my cynicism, unfortunately :-( |
| 18:47.33 | xkr47 | mickeyl, want me to slow down time ?-)) |
| 18:48.09 | mickeyl | alphaone: frankly, no idea |
| 18:48.51 | xkr47 | Morgret, sorry :/ |
| 18:49.57 | mickeyl | xkr47: yes, pleas ;) |
| 18:50.25 | xkr47 | I'll add a admin interface with a "Slower" button ;-) |
| 18:50.31 | alphaone | Our local LUG is meeting on thursday, Feb. 15th so I'm wondering it it will be here before then |
| 18:51.17 | alphaone | xkr47: Can you slow down real time, too? |
| 18:51.33 | alphaone | I could really use that feature. |
| 18:51.41 | Morgret | Guys, do you know whether it's possible to have an X11 mouse move in a much larger position space than screen res? Reason is, I want to run a Synergy server on the Neo and have it control Synergy clients on the LAN via Bluetooth, and I think that needs pointer space as big as on the clients. |
| 18:51.54 | alphaone | There's a feature for v2: a time machine :-) |
| 18:52.01 | xkr47 | alphaone, only if it's relative to openmoko release ;-) |
| 18:52.37 | alphaone | xkr47: That would be the one occasion I don't want that feature, though :-) |
| 18:53.30 | Morgret | I hear v2 will have enough CPU power to run a holodeck ;-) |
| 18:53.54 | koen|edge_ | Morgret: 2 holodecks :) |
| 18:54.01 | Morgret | hehe |
| 18:54.04 | alphaone | Morgret: Standard X11 should be able to resize the viewport to something bigger - but you would be scrolling around on the phone itself |
| 18:54.31 | alphaone | And I don't have a holodeck. What should I do with all the power then? |
| 18:54.59 | xkr47 | you could verify that the result is indeed 42 |
| 18:55.02 | Morgret | alphaone: that's OK, because when the pointer hits the edge of the screen, Synergy will warp it onto the screen of a client machine. |
| 18:55.33 | alphaone | Morgret: There's x2x, too |
| 18:55.50 | Morgret | alphaone: if you have excess CPU power, sell it to Google :P |
| 18:56.08 | Morgret | alphaone: don't know x2x, looking it up, thanks. |
| 18:56.08 | alphaone | :-) |
| 18:57.17 | Morgret | emerge x2x :-) |
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| 18:59.25 | alphaone | Morgret: :-) |
| 19:01.15 | alphaone | Morgret: instead of passing the IP address for the -to option you can also ssh into the target with X forwarding enabled and then use the local Display |
| 19:01.26 | alphaone | That way you have a secure connection |
| 19:01.29 | Morgret | Good, that's preferable. |
| 19:03.15 | Morgret | Hehe, you just reminded me of that part in Mickey's radio spot, where he said Neo/OM's the first phone you can ssh into without first having to hack it. That went down very well :-))) |
| 19:03.33 | alphaone | jup |
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| 19:05.52 | alphaone | Morgret: Of course X11Forwarding has to be enabled for this to work ootb |
| 19:07.04 | Morgret | I've been doing tunneling packets through ssh for, like, forever :P |
| 19:09.11 | alphaone | Hehe |
| 19:17.17 | alphaone | Anyone else using mpd as their music player? |
| 19:18.34 | Morgret | Does it work with Jack? Not installed here, but could give it a go. |
| 19:21.07 | Morgret | Doesn't seem to, according to its website. |
| 19:21.07 | Elrond | Morgret, mickeyl - Thanks for the notice on the lugradio interview. :-) |
| 19:21.36 | Morgret | I got it from CM :P Good huh? |
| 19:21.42 | alphaone | It seems it has pulseaudio support |
| 19:22.08 | alphaone | The LUG radio guys are crazy :-) |
| 19:23.02 | alphaone | But I was thinking more along a client for mpd to control my music via my phone. |
| 19:23.44 | loufoque | why does openmoko look like e17 ? |
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| 19:24.32 | alphaone | loufoque: They have similar design goals: look slick :-) |
| 19:24.50 | Robot101 | loufoque: hopefully it's not because of the release schedule :) |
| 19:25.02 | Elrond | el7? |
| 19:25.19 | loufoque | one not L |
| 19:25.43 | Elrond | e17? ;) |
| 19:25.51 | Morgret | I think "crazy" doesn't do them justice. ;-) But they became totally sane when Mickey started describing it, hehe. |
| 19:26.14 | Elrond | Morgret - They became sane the momment they started the call. |
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| 19:27.36 | Morgret | Never heard OM described as E17-like before. Hope that doesn't mean 4 years between software releases :P |
| 19:27.39 | xkr47 | @ lugradio :) |
| 19:28.31 | loufoque | Elrond: it's short for enlightenment version 17 |
| 19:29.40 | Elrond | loufoque - Ahh. |
| 19:29.43 | Morgret | I know, that's why I mentioned the release time. Rasterman lives in a different world. :P |
| 19:31.04 | alphaone | Maybe he could slow down time for me :-) |
| 19:31.08 | loufoque | E17 is in its own world instead. |
| 19:31.15 | loufoque | s/instead/indeed/ |
| 19:31.33 | loufoque | funny bot. |
| 19:31.34 | alphaone | But it looks damn cool |
| 19:32.02 | stefan_schmidt | re |
| 19:32.30 | alphaone | hi |
| 19:33.35 | alphaone | I could either go to bed now or look into opentapi... |
| 19:34.18 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: What a question. |
| 19:34.20 | loufoque | better go to bed. |
| 19:34.27 | Elrond | <-- runs to the bus. ;) |
| 19:34.30 | Elrond | Later guys. |
| 19:34.35 | seemant | cya |
| 19:34.37 | alphaone | But I'm not sure what effects sleep deprivation will have on my coding style :-) |
| 19:34.40 | alphaone | cya |
| 19:35.01 | loufoque | It's a C API, it can't be good for your brain. |
| 19:35.21 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: What coding style? Just kidding. Go sleep. |
| 19:37.10 | alphaone | loufoque: so true... |
| 19:37.23 | Morgret | It gets passed through indent on svn checkin anyway :P |
| 19:38.34 | alphaone | heh |
| 19:39.47 | Morgret | indent -ts8 -bap -i8 -lp -bli0 -npcs -bls -bbo -nhnl -l90 $* |
| 19:39.50 | Morgret | :P |
| 19:40.52 | Morgret | Fun program, works amazingly well. |
| 19:40.56 | alphaone | indent -npro -kr -i8 -ts8 -sob -l80 -ss -ncs "$@ |
| 19:41.09 | alphaone | Yeah |
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| 19:42.08 | alphaone | Okay, you guys are starting to confuse me and I think that's a good sign I should go get some sleep. |
| 19:42.18 | high-rez | What's the counter like for public consumption again? |
| 19:42.27 | alphaone | counter |
| 19:42.27 | aloril | 1 week, 5 days 04:17:32 for source for all developers and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 1 week, 3 days for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks for mass market (2007-09-11): see topic for more info |
| 19:42.38 | alphaone | night |
| 19:43.22 | high-rez | And when do those of us in the large carriers get to buy a device to push onto the marketing teams? :)) |
| 19:43.59 | evanpro | The counter is excellent |
| 19:44.52 | high-rez | Sortta, I don't see a counter for when the tech evangelists at the carriers get to get access :| |
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| 19:50.28 | Morgret | Tech evangelists at the carriers? Surely there are only bloodsucking vampires and beancounters at the carriers ... ;-) |
| 19:51.00 | mickeyl | i would think this happens somewhere between phase 1 and phase 2 -- just a guess. |
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| 20:03.25 | koen|edge_ | mickeyl: "I want to have dbus access for everything (that makes sense) as well, i.e. |
| 20:03.26 | koen|edge_ | * gps position [already there in the stock gpsd]" |
| 20:03.42 | koen|edge_ | mickeyl: does agpsd share the same interface? |
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| 20:22.00 | noidd | 4q |
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| 20:31.31 | CM | same here, sucks.. |
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| 20:37.19 | rwhitby | morning all |
| 20:38.03 | MetaBookfoziS | hi |
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| 23:18.46 | koljoman | /who |
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