| 00:00.03 | hrw | X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=disabled version=3.1.0 |
| 00:00.04 | MetaBookfoziS | ;) |
| 00:00.12 | MetaBookfoziS | at today. |
| 00:00.12 | MetaBookfoziS | :) |
| 00:00.12 | MDK | that's very likely |
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| 00:00.43 | MDK | we're having same problems with n800 coupons |
| 00:01.21 | MDK | people miss them as they're killed by spam filters |
| 00:01.44 | hrw | MDK: n800... I failed n770 devel program and cant afford full price of it so skipped that gadget. |
| 00:01.57 | noidd | hrw: did you just get it? |
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| 00:02.31 | hrw | mail? few hours ago but I just get home |
| 00:04.17 | hrw | I wonder how many well known devs will get such posts soon |
| 00:05.37 | hrw|gone | cu - time to sleep |
| 00:08.39 | Elrond | hrw|gone - You're in poznan? |
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| 00:40.19 | BryceL | any devs in the room? |
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| 00:47.27 | stefan_schmidt | BryceL: What do you like to know? |
| 01:01.35 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: haha i'm actualy responding to your email right now |
| 01:02.01 | stefan_schmidt | BryceL: heh |
| 01:02.07 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: i was gonna ask if anyone knew if there was an official desktop software being planned |
| 01:02.30 | stefan_schmidt | BryceL: No plans yet. |
| 01:02.32 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: i'd personally like to ask sean but i'm sure he's killed with email |
| 01:02.54 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: oh jeez.... |
| 01:03.06 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: i just realized that you're the stefan from planet.openmoko |
| 01:03.41 | stefan_schmidt | BryceL: Right. Sean is really busy i guess. Discussing it on openmoko-dev is fine |
| 01:04.36 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: awesome, do you know if there's any thing built into the base that handles logging deleted files, moved files, renamed files etc? |
| 01:06.29 | stefan_schmidt | BryceL: You mean for recovery? |
| 01:07.35 | stefan_schmidt | BryceL: Many things are not even planned yet. :) Feedback like yours are needed for it. :) |
| 01:07.47 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: no i mean for accounting purposes when syncing with the desktop software that isn't made yet |
| 01:07.52 | stefan_schmidt | BryceL: I like the idea to having easy recovery. |
| 01:08.02 | stefan_schmidt | brb |
| 01:09.20 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: easy recovery sounds good too. That's always an option. And then you could even sync the two hidden trash dir's on both the desktop and the 1973 |
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| 01:21.40 | stefan_schmidt | BryceL: hmm, why you like to have an accounting for stuff that is not synced yet? The sync software should make this right on is own. |
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| 01:25.43 | Elrond | apropos recovery: I hope the neo can't be flashed dead? |
| 01:26.28 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: If you don't flash a "fixed" bootloader, it should be fine |
| 01:26.30 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 01:28.31 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - so if the normal image is 0rked, I can flash a new one? :) |
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| 01:29.05 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: i'd like accounting on both ends because i've had problems with my palm desktop software getting messed up and with my treo and if there were accouting on two sides it wouldn't have happened |
| 01:29.31 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: if each side is as smart as possible (and has a way to resolve differances) then users are most protected from data loss |
| 01:29.36 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Should be this way. I heared about a usb enabled bootloader who can handle the firmware updates. Not ready yet, but in progress. |
| 01:30.39 | stefan_schmidt | BryceL: hmm, this adds more complexity and overhead, but perhaps it is worth some thoughts. |
| 01:32.13 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Ahh. I hope, it will be in the march-version. Otherwise fix will have fun with peolle sending their phones back "I didn't want to, but I broke it" ;o) |
| 01:32.34 | Elrond | s/fix/fic/ |
| 01:33.19 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Until march there will be guides how you can update the stuff without make your phone a brick. |
| 01:33.57 | Elrond | Very good! :) |
| 01:34.06 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: And if it is a brick, buy a bottle of beer and drive to somebody who has the lunchbox kit. Even a brick is fixable with JTAG |
| 01:34.09 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 01:34.27 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: i can think of a few ways to do with while only adding the overhead of a small sqlite db or even just a couple flat text files. |
| 01:34.53 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: is the extra cost for the lunchbox kit going to be known |
| 01:35.38 | stefan_schmidt | BryceL: No, no idea. I hope it is included in my early dev kit in february. :) |
| 01:37.01 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: heh you lucky dog! I'll probably be picking one of them up (hopefully it'll be less than 150) |
| 01:37.34 | Elrond | 150? |
| 01:38.14 | BryceL | Elrond: sorry $150usd |
| 01:38.59 | Elrond | Huh. I thought, it would be like $350? |
| 01:39.11 | Elrond | Or you mean the "lunchbox kit"? |
| 01:39.32 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: kit |
| 01:39.44 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Price for the phone is 350$ |
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| 01:40.53 | Mortimus | I LOATH windows |
| 01:41.05 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: which is a steal for sure. Beats the pants off of treos and most smartphones without contract |
| 01:41.36 | BryceL | Mortimus: s/LOATH/loathe/ :-D |
| 01:42.26 | Mortimus | i saw that too after i entered it 8-) |
| 01:42.45 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Will it be $350 in september for mom and dad too? |
| 01:43.03 | stefan_schmidt | BryceL: Yes, price is nice. Especially with the display and gps. But to reduce the cost the SoC is not the newest. |
| 01:43.57 | Mortimus | i have a question the text messaging interface in openmoko can be anything you want just that when sending it complies with gsm rules, right? |
| 01:43.58 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: very true but the SoC is still very very good. It's more than good enough for mobile tasks. |
| 01:44.45 | stefan_schmidt | BryceL: Right, good enough for mobil stuff. Multimedia hopefully comes in the next version |
| 01:45.20 | Mortimus | multimedia as in videos? |
| 01:45.31 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: it should be easily good enough for multimedia |
| 01:45.44 | Elrond | Mortimus - I'd guess so. You might even create your own sms-mass-messaging system by talking straight at-commdands with the gsm module. ;) |
| 01:45.58 | stefan_schmidt | Mortimus: You should be able to build your own text app using lingsm, right. |
| 01:46.29 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050727-5141.html |
| 01:46.45 | stefan_schmidt | No videos on the Neo1973. Even playing mp3 needs 20-30% cpu alright |
| 01:46.52 | Mortimus | nice ! because something i find that annoying is that all phones have a HORRIBLE texting interface |
| 01:47.24 | Mortimus | stefan_schmidt: with what player? |
| 01:48.00 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: those specs are for first gen ipod video that plays h.264 |
| 01:48.13 | stefan_schmidt | Mortimus: IIRC they use mplayer with skin atm. Perhaps gstreamer later. We shall see. |
| 01:49.01 | stefan_schmidt | BryceL: Without extra chip for it? |
| 01:49.14 | stefan_schmidt | BryceL: keep in mind our display is 480x640 |
| 01:49.31 | stefan_schmidt | BryceL: Anyway, I loved to be proofen wrong with this. :) |
| 01:49.33 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: yessir except it has an external ac97 for audio |
| 01:50.00 | Mortimus | yay ac97 that is in everything |
| 01:50.08 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: i'm sure it could play slightly lower res video stretched, and after come compiling with optomizations i'll bet it'll be fine |
| 01:50.32 | BryceL | s/come/some |
| 01:50.42 | Mortimus | does the total harmonic distortion depends the the manufacture of the chip? |
| 01:51.03 | stefan_schmidt | BryceL: would be neat. |
| 01:51.23 | stefan_schmidt | Anyway, have to sleep. It's already 3am here. Night all. |
| 01:51.34 | alphaone | good nicht |
| 01:51.45 | alphaone | *night |
| 01:51.56 | BryceL | stefan_schmidt: night |
| 01:52.09 | BryceL | Mortimus: yes and a few other factors also |
| 01:52.31 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Are you from .de? |
| 01:53.02 | Mortimus | i just hope its not 10% |
| 01:53.10 | Mortimus | which is now the norm |
| 01:53.52 | BryceL | Mortimus: that's not too bad, i mean for a mobile device that's darn good |
| 01:55.45 | Elrond | Night people. |
| 01:56.30 | Mortimus | 30% percent is a square wave so i have yet to find anything worse than 10% |
| 01:58.48 | alphaone | Elrond: You're from FEM? |
| 02:00.04 | BryceL | Mortimus: doesn't sound bad |
| 02:01.19 | Mortimus | well i am just going to have to wait till i try it out |
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| 02:01.46 | BryceL | Mortimus: heh, i can't wait for that, march can't come soon enough |
| 02:01.52 | BryceL | it's even just before my birthday too lol |
| 02:02.02 | Mortimus | count |
| 02:02.06 | Mortimus | couter |
| 02:02.12 | Mortimus | counter |
| 02:02.12 | aloril | 1 week, 6 days 21:57:47 for source for all developers and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 1 week, 4 days for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks, 1 day for mass market (2007-09-11): see topic for more info |
| 02:02.21 | Mortimus | there we go |
| 02:02.47 | Mortimus | can't everyone get it as a dev |
| 02:03.41 | Mortimus | my bad i confused the 1 week 6 days with the 1 month 1 week 4 days |
| 02:06.18 | BryceL | ahh i can't wait i've got xoo and open embedded all set up |
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| 02:07.55 | Servo888 | Anybody have pictures of this device? |
| 02:08.10 | Servo888 | oh nvm found it |
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| 02:16.25 | Elrond | alphaone - No. I just have my account on that box and know Mario. ;) |
| 02:19.53 | ssvb | stefan_schmidt: 20-30% for mp3 seems too much, did you decode it with libmad library? |
| 02:20.22 | alphaone | Elrond: ah, okay :-) |
| 02:21.50 | ssvb | stefan_schmidt: ffmp3 decoder from ffmpeg is slower than libmad |
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| 02:23.13 | Elrond | alphaone - You're from Ilmenau? |
| 02:23.39 | ssvb | stefan_schmidt: I remember that mp3 decoding on Nokia 770 took about 15% cpu load on ARM core with libmad, and libmad does not contain any extra optimizations for cores better than armv4 |
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| 02:25.06 | BryceL | ssvb: setfan's actually out he went to bed |
| 02:25.28 | BryceL | ssvb: and I completely agree with you, libmad was exactly what i was thinking of and optomizing it as well |
| 02:26.36 | ssvb | BruceL: ah I see, sorry |
| 02:27.02 | BryceL | ssvb: no apologies necessary |
| 02:27.12 | ssvb | Do you know if Neo1973 is capable of 320x240 mpeg4 video playback? |
| 02:27.31 | BryceL | ssvb: heh, well the people offically working on it say no, but i completely dissagree |
| 02:27.42 | ssvb | :) |
| 02:27.59 | BryceL | ssvb: if you look at the sharp soc that's used in the first gen ipod video that can pay back 320x240 h.264 (checks numbers) |
| 02:28.21 | alphaone | Elrond: No, I'm from Braunschweig but I know some of the FEM guys |
| 02:28.51 | ssvb | did ipod have any dedicated hardware video accelerator? |
| 02:29.17 | BryceL | ssvb: not from any of the specs that I've dug up so i cay say with 70 percent certainty that it does not |
| 02:29.28 | BryceL | ssvb: i only saw ac97 |
| 02:30.42 | Elrond | alphaone - Ahh. From where is stefan_schmidt? |
| 02:31.23 | BryceL | ssvb: I think that an ogg/theora stream could be played back (probably at 55% cpu after tweaking) |
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| 02:37.48 | Elrond | Night people. |
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| 02:43.45 | alphaone | Elrond: Stefan is also from near Braunschweig. We know each other from college |
| 03:07.54 | l3010o | wow! Braunschweig, the city of science! |
| 03:08.55 | BryceL | some days i feel like the only guy from the us |
| 03:10.28 | l3010o | for now i think i m the only one from hong kong :p |
| 03:10.48 | BryceL | hahaha :-D |
| 03:11.19 | l3010o | ac97 is the audio codec? |
| 03:20.44 | BryceL | l3010o: yup |
| 03:21.01 | BryceL | l3010o: well... i don't know if it's on the samsung chip for the neo |
| 03:21.05 | BryceL | lemme check |
| 03:22.31 | l3010o | ac97.that's the realtek one? |
| 03:23.12 | BryceL | l3010o: well realtek does a version of it, and it's not on the SoC used in the Neo |
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| 03:26.33 | l3010o | i see |
| 03:26.58 | BryceL | l3010o: that ac97 comment was in refrence to what was used in the first gen ipod video |
| 03:27.33 | l3010o | how abt the other generations? |
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| 03:31.04 | BryceL | l3010o: they should all have that |
| 03:31.17 | BryceL | l3010o: the ipodvideo uses a SoC from Sharp |
| 03:37.20 | l3010o | i hope neo can play videos :) |
| 03:42.11 | BryceL | l3010o|study: I'm sure it will might have to be lower res 320x240 but i'm sure it's possible |
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| 07:01.56 | aloril2 | A |
| 07:02.18 | noidd | counter |
| 07:02.18 | aloril | 1 week, 6 days 16:57:41 for source for all developers and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 1 week, 4 days for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks, 1 day for mass market (2007-09-11): see topic for more info |
| 07:02.19 | noidd | :-) |
| 07:04.38 | Stephmw | lol |
| 07:05.14 | Stephmw | ya know, this past week I haven't thought about any techie stuff at all |
| 07:05.44 | noidd | I've been trying to catch up with oe stuff |
| 07:05.49 | noidd | been a while since I've been actuve |
| 07:05.52 | noidd | err, actiVe |
| 07:06.03 | noidd | so I'm rectifying that. |
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| 09:29.18 | koen | rwhitby: congrats :) |
| 09:30.32 | rwhitby | koen: thx - I see you and hrw and Kaloz and stefan all got one too. |
| 09:30.56 | rwhitby | koen: BTW, ixp4xx-machine-endian is completely gone now :-) |
| 09:31.04 | koen | I noticed :) |
| 09:31.16 | koen | I didn't even know about SITEINFO_ENDIANESS :) |
| 09:31.57 | rwhitby | heh - neither did I until I did a grep through OE to find out why everyone was spelling endianness wrong ;-) |
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| 11:07.56 | wigyori | hello |
| 11:15.13 | Elrond | Hi wigyori |
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| 11:28.42 | goxboxlive | sorry, wrong channel |
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| 12:16.24 | rgl | hi |
| 12:17.01 | CM | morning |
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| 12:58.31 | aloril2 | counter |
| 12:58.31 | aloril | 1 week, 6 days 11:01:29 for source for all developers and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 1 week, 4 days for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks, 1 day for mass market (2007-09-11): see topic for more info |
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| 13:30.11 | noidd | counter |
| 13:30.11 | aloril | 1 week, 6 days 10:29:48 for source for all developers and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 1 week, 4 days for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks, 1 day for mass market (2007-09-11): see topic for more info |
| 13:30.14 | noidd | good morning! |
| 13:31.38 | wbx | good morning noidd |
| 13:32.17 | noidd | morning wbx, how goes? |
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| 14:01.55 | l3010o | good morning wbx, noidd! but here is evening =p |
| 14:03.17 | wbx | l3010o: :} |
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| 14:04.16 | wbx | noidd: fine. just missing my can opener. i am getting hungry and i only have a soup |
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| 14:13.14 | LittleIdiot | i have an "emergency button" on my phone for these cases. it calls the pizza delivery service ;) |
| 14:15.55 | jon1012 | hey some of you know how is the javascript support of the phoen browser ? |
| 14:16.01 | jon1012 | s/phoen/phone |
| 14:17.55 | hrw | morning |
| 14:21.44 | Stephmw | heya |
| 14:22.13 | Stephmw | hrw: congratulations :) |
| 14:22.26 | hrw | thx |
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| 14:44.50 | noidd | mornin hrw |
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| 14:48.06 | ninHer | hi all |
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| 15:33.10 | hrw | mickey|dinner: does neo1973 is able to be used as cellphone already or need writing some stuff before? by cellphone I mean making/receiving calls/sms |
| 15:33.57 | mickey|dinner | we're targetting a phone demo by the end of this week. the only thing missing should be audio handling. i have no idea about the sms status |
| 15:34.07 | hrw | ok |
| 15:36.19 | [g2] | mickey|dinner I've been meaning to post this to the ML for a couple weeks but will the Neo be able to boot the kernel and rootfs from the MicroSD easily ? |
| 15:37.14 | mickey|dinner | that depends |
| 15:37.18 | mickey|dinner | you need serial access |
| 15:37.20 | mickey|dinner | to talk to uboot |
| 15:37.29 | mickey|dinner | which only works if you have a debug board |
| 15:38.00 | mickey|dinner | i hope we can eventually make a boot menu |
| 15:38.15 | hrw | [g2]: or you add minimal rootfs into flash which check card and kexec kernel from card into card rootfs |
| 15:38.17 | [g2] | mickey|dinner what about an early console via BT ? |
| 15:38.32 | mickey|dinner | [g2]: that's incredibly hard |
| 15:38.39 | hrw | [g2]: uboot is capable to bring usb up? |
| 15:38.40 | mickey|dinner | basically you need the whole BT kernel stack |
| 15:38.50 | hrw | and usb stack |
| 15:39.25 | mickey|dinner | i hope that a couple of those early access guys get a debug board to make a boot menu happen |
| 15:39.26 | [g2] | mickey|dinner one could write a very simple polled driver for BT |
| 15:39.36 | [g2] | and actually, it could just be an output only |
| 15:39.46 | [g2] | so you could see the console log |
| 15:39.48 | mickey|dinner | [g2]: sounds good. i'm all for it. i have no idea about low level stuff |
| 15:39.50 | Tv | can you unbrick a busted flash update on a normal production phone? |
| 15:40.07 | Tv | (and how) |
| 15:40.16 | Tv | I'd hate to be afraid of flashing |
| 15:40.33 | [g2] | mickey|dinner have you published which BT chipset is being used ? |
| 15:40.39 | mickey|dinner | dunno |
| 15:40.44 | mickey|dinner | 2.0 EDR |
| 15:40.50 | mickey|dinner | CSR compatible iirc |
| 15:41.04 | mickey|dinner | if you overwrite uboot with something broken, then you need jtag |
| 15:41.13 | mickey|dinner | however you shouldn't need to overwrite uboot |
| 15:41.17 | hrw | [g2]: its CSR usb stick |
| 15:41.19 | mickey|dinner | and if so, only if you have a debug board |
| 15:41.26 | mickey|dinner | bbl |
| 15:41.48 | hrw | [g2]: Bus 1 Device 2: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) |
| 15:42.06 | Tv | ah, so there's a chunk of flash you just don't overwrite |
| 15:42.41 | [g2] | hrw cool. So basically and polled usb driver talking to the chipset to dump line of text out would probably do it |
| 15:43.27 | [g2] | hrw | mickey_away and I could do the driver on the Loft probably |
| 15:43.42 | [g2] | as it's ARM/XScale with USB |
| 15:44.01 | aloril2 | jon1012: about: javascript: I think answer is yes, I have seen webkit mentioned |
| 15:45.41 | hrw | [g2]: btw - how much does Loft costs? |
| 15:45.50 | [g2] | $350 |
| 15:46.01 | [g2] | plus shipping |
| 15:46.26 | hrw | +22% VAT ;( |
| 15:47.08 | SuN | What's a Loft? |
| 15:47.34 | hrw | router/nas |
| 15:47.40 | SuN | Ahh |
| 15:48.09 | hrw | I'm searching for small machine which will be able to work as BT AP and printserver |
| 15:48.47 | CM | hrw: What about the nslu2 that rwhitby is working on? |
| 15:48.50 | [g2] | hrw the nslu2 |
| 15:48.58 | CM | [g2]: ;) |
| 15:49.17 | hrw | it will probably be this |
| 15:49.31 | CM | MokoSlug sounds nice |
| 15:49.33 | hrw | nslu2+hub+pendrive+bt |
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| 15:49.43 | hrw | http://www.sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2007-01-28.gif |
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| 15:50.00 | [g2] | hrw I'm trying to find out what's inside the new Airport extreme |
| 15:50.09 | [g2] | it's got 4 ports + USB |
| 15:50.22 | [g2] | and does 802.11n and A/B/G bands |
| 15:50.32 | [g2] | and it's 1/2 the cost of a Loft |
| 15:51.10 | jon1012 | aloril2: ok thx :) |
| 15:51.12 | hrw | closed sourced? |
| 15:51.12 | [g2] | there's not a guy on the planet that loves the Loft more than me, but that doesn't make for huge sales volumes :) |
| 15:51.35 | [g2] | hrw until open firmware is written for it :) |
| 15:51.57 | [g2] | the Loft it all open firmware |
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| 16:00.41 | hrw | [g2]: I was about closed source of airport |
| 16:01.09 | ajturner | does anyone know if there is a vmware image with openembedded configured? |
| 16:01.29 | CM | ajturner: Not yet, but maybe later if someone puts that together :) |
| 16:01.46 | ajturner | right - was wondering if anyone had yet before I put in the effort ;) |
| 16:01.51 | ajturner | I'll send a ping out on devel |
| 16:02.21 | hrw | ajturner: can vmware boot qemu images? |
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| 16:02.27 | ajturner | not sure |
| 16:03.17 | Tv | hrw: you can convert the disk images to vmware format |
| 16:03.32 | ajturner | hrw: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2005/10/26/vmware-player-windows-xp.html |
| 16:03.45 | ajturner | do you have the qemu image? I haven't grabbed it yet |
| 16:03.49 | Tv | man qemu-img |
| 16:04.31 | ajturner | essentially: qemu-img create -f vmdk imagename.vmdk nG, where n is the size of the disk image you want to create |
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| 17:09.04 | stefan_schmidt | Yay, after wrong email address yesterday, I got my neo winning notice today. Kudos to FIC. |
| 17:10.48 | moo_tang_clan | well done stefan_schmidt :) |
| 17:12.19 | moo_tang_clan | hmm |
| 17:12.50 | stefan_schmidt | moo_tang_clan: thx |
| 17:12.54 | stefan_schmidt | moo_tang_clan: Why in flash? |
| 17:12.58 | hrw | moo_tang_clan: there is a flash there? |
| 17:13.04 | dottedmag | wow. I thought dates are just missing =) |
| 17:13.24 | moo_tang_clan | given the flash url says 'sifr' in it, I assume this is someone wanting a fancy font for the dates |
| 17:13.46 | moo_tang_clan | stefan_schmidt: re: openstreetmap, it would be cool to tag streets/waypoints as you map |
| 17:13.56 | moo_tang_clan | stefan_schmidt: e.g., with voice recordings maybe? |
| 17:14.10 | moo_tang_clan | I agree that you couldn't realistically do it "passively" without a lot of work later |
| 17:14.16 | dduardo | It would be neat to map cellular signal strength data onto openstreetmap. |
| 17:14.32 | hrw | css is borked on p.o.o |
| 17:14.37 | alphaone | moo_tang_clan: Take a look at http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Ideas/OpenStreetMap |
| 17:14.46 | alphaone | And add your Ideas there |
| 17:14.59 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: heh, your're faster then me. |
| 17:15.05 | alphaone | dduardo: Yeah, that would be cool |
| 17:15.07 | dduardo | Also once wifi is integrated into the neo you can do the same |
| 17:15.15 | dduardo | You map out hotspots you can go to |
| 17:15.24 | moo_tang_clan | heh |
| 17:15.29 | moo_tang_clan | those are some good ideas, though |
| 17:16.00 | hrw | ~lart planet.openmoko.org designer badly |
| 17:16.01 | alphaone | And I want directions from a to b with full cellular / wifi coverage :-) |
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| 17:16.27 | hrw | LaF0rge: hi |
| 17:16.34 | LaF0rge | nk |
| 17:16.36 | LaF0rge | hi |
| 17:16.39 | dduardo | alphaone, yeah that would be great for long trips |
| 17:16.43 | hrw | LaF0rge: can you kick planet.openmoko.org designer from me? |
| 17:16.47 | stefan_schmidt | All the POI are _very_ interesting. POI put together by community and make available via rss-feeds would be really cool. |
| 17:16.56 | stefan_schmidt | hi LaF0rge |
| 17:16.59 | LaF0rge | hrw: I've already complained about everything there is to complain. |
| 17:17.10 | hrw | LaF0rge: date headers are forced to be flash. but I do not have flash... |
| 17:17.12 | alphaone | dduardo: Although the route could be considerably longer with that option :-) |
| 17:17.16 | LaF0rge | hrw: I've already fixed about a quarter of the issues myself |
| 17:17.26 | LaF0rge | hrw: WHAT????? |
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| 17:17.42 | hrw | LaF0rge: <div class="date_container"> |
| 17:17.42 | hrw | <h2 class="sifr_headline">January 28, 2007</h2> |
| 17:17.47 | hrw | </div |
| 17:17.48 | hrw | this is NOT visible |
| 17:17.58 | LaF0rge | oh, they've changed the layout at some point today :( |
| 17:18.00 | moo_tang_clan | sifr.js drops flash in over it |
| 17:18.29 | LaF0rge | moo_tang_clan: i'll pass this on, this is completely unacceptable. |
| 17:18.48 | moo_tang_clan | sorry to be a troublemaker :) |
| 17:19.09 | hrw | LaF0rge: thx |
| 17:19.24 | hrw | flash and opensource does not mix |
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| 17:20.44 | hrw | LaF0rge: thx for mail. now all is clear |
| 17:21.19 | hrw | have to go - cu all |
| 17:21.32 | LaF0rge | oh, they've changed the layout at some point today :( |
| 17:23.11 | dduardo | Since Google provides street data on their site, wouldn't it be easier to rip the data instead of going around with a GPS device trying to recreate it? |
| 17:25.57 | moo_tang_clan | dduardo: no, you can't, because the google data is a. copyrighted, b. not necessarily accurate |
| 17:26.00 | alphaone | dduardo: Google prohibits that use |
| 17:27.04 | alphaone | I believe if we get the OSM app for the OpenMoko right that could really take off. |
| 17:28.03 | yacc | dduardo: google does license that data, so ripping the data would be copyright infringement :( |
| 17:29.07 | dduardo | I'm not saying take the images, but generate waypoints based on the images that can then be turned into a map |
| 17:29.18 | dduardo | That's basically what your doing with GPS anyway |
| 17:29.31 | moo_tang_clan | dduardo: it's not, because the google maps have 'fake' info implanted |
| 17:29.43 | moo_tang_clan | dduardo: if you copy that data, they know you copied their site, and that's a copyirght infringement |
| 17:30.37 | dduardo | moo_tang_clan: how do you copyright the fact that some street is located at such and so co-ordinate? |
| 17:30.54 | moo_tang_clan | dduardo: in the EU, that's called "database right" |
| 17:31.03 | moo_tang_clan | collections of facts have "database rights" which are like copyright |
| 17:31.30 | noidd | counter |
| 17:31.30 | aloril | 1 week, 6 days 06:28:29 for source for all developers and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 1 week, 4 days for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks, 1 day for mass market (2007-09-11): see topic for more info |
| 17:31.49 | noidd | man, 1 week and 6 days before they're shipped |
| 17:31.52 | noidd | feels like forever |
| 17:32.15 | b_lindeijer | Devices only for selected developers? Won't everybody be able to order them? |
| 17:32.19 | noidd | hey mickey; |
| 17:32.23 | noidd | that's a week later |
| 17:32.41 | noidd | when they're in the wild in 13 days we'll get pictures and much more information |
| 17:33.05 | b_lindeijer | That's the 1 month and 1 week and 4 days thing? |
| 17:33.08 | noidd | the openmoko devs are way to busy to satiate our need for information |
| 17:33.20 | noidd | so 13 days and that responsibility will be more distributed |
| 17:34.04 | rd__ | why dont just open the source to all developers? |
| 17:34.15 | noidd | rd: that will happen in 13 days. |
| 17:34.31 | rd__ | noidd, nah, only selected ppl |
| 17:34.41 | noidd | no, sources to everyone in 13 days. |
| 17:34.43 | b_lindeijer | It says for all developers. |
| 17:34.49 | noidd | hardware to selected people then |
| 17:34.55 | noidd | hardware to anyone 1 month after |
| 17:35.03 | rd__ | ah, i didn't read it carefully :) |
| 17:35.11 | dottedmag | rd__: first, you can't keep GPL code to be open 'for selected developers' :) |
| 17:35.28 | rd__ | hardware to anyone? |
| 17:35.34 | rd__ | couldnt be true :p |
| 17:35.40 | noidd | yes you can dottedmag although I don't want to get into a licensing discussion :-) |
| 17:36.01 | dottedmag | noidd: could you point to the URL then? |
| 17:36.02 | rd__ | dottedmag, probably some kind of NDA agreement :p |
| 17:36.17 | dottedmag | rd__: I think it's incompatible with GPL |
| 17:36.45 | noidd | dotted: GPL basically says if you distro binaries to have to distro code. If you modify a GPL app for your own use you don't have to share those mods. |
| 17:37.01 | b_lindeijer | You don't have to, but you are free to. |
| 17:37.09 | rd__ | but will all the code be released under GPL? |
| 17:37.14 | noidd | dotted: or if you sell those mods to someone else in binary form, you have to give them the sources |
| 17:37.17 | dottedmag | noidd: if you're shared code to someone, you can't prevent further sharing. |
| 17:37.58 | noidd | if you dual licence it you can. Ok, enough on licensing - that's mailing list fodder |
| 17:38.05 | dottedmag | :) |
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| 17:39.06 | noidd | I am in such a good mood |
| 17:39.13 | noidd | I don't think anything can bring me down. |
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| 17:44.19 | mickeyl | heh |
| 17:44.22 | mickeyl | that's the spriti |
| 17:44.23 | mickeyl | spirit, even |
| 17:44.40 | l4rs | noidd: well... not even an announce taht openmoko has been canceled? :p |
| 17:47.02 | greentux | mickeyl: spriti is nice... :) |
| 17:47.21 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:47.24 | alphaone | l4rs: They made commitments to ship devices via email. They can't stop now :-) |
| 17:48.05 | l4rs | alphaone: what if their factory explodes? :p |
| 17:48.44 | alphaone | Then I'll blame you :-P |
| 17:48.54 | noidd | I'm guessing they're probably off the assembly line by now |
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| 17:57.25 | LaF0rge | now we have date headers again |
| 17:57.33 | LaF0rge | [on the planet] |
| 17:57.55 | l4rs | yeah... doubled dates one html, one flash... |
| 17:58.18 | hrw | re |
| 17:58.26 | hrw | dduardo: wikipedia: fake street |
| 17:58.42 | hrw | LaF0rge: thx |
| 17:59.07 | noidd | I hope mickeyl gets his before the first batch of phase0 |
| 17:59.10 | noidd | it's only right :-) |
| 17:59.15 | mickeyl | darn, yeah |
| 17:59.21 | mickeyl | all those broken prototypes |
| 17:59.27 | mickeyl | and you guys get the shiny production phones |
| 17:59.28 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 17:59.33 | dduardo | hrw: there is no article |
| 17:59.34 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 17:59.50 | noidd | LaF0rge has a prototype in a real case tho right? |
| 18:00.06 | dduardo | There's "Fake Streets Hats" |
| 18:00.06 | noidd | mickeyl: they should ship yours a few days early |
| 18:00.52 | mickeyl | let's say ... he has a case, yes |
| 18:00.57 | mickeyl | :D |
| 18:01.11 | hrw | dduardo: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Copyright_Easter_Eggs |
| 18:01.25 | hrw | dduardo: this one describe exactly |
| 18:02.12 | noidd | Ah well, gotta run |
| 18:02.16 | noidd | another show run to do |
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| 18:02.45 | noidd | http://www.unixfu.com/Photo_012607_001.jpg |
| 18:02.56 | noidd | http://www.unixfu.com/Photo_012607_003.jpg |
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| 18:03.04 | dduardo | hrw: I understand now. |
| 18:03.04 | noidd | one is of the show i'm running sound for |
| 18:03.07 | mickeyl | cool, have fun noidd |
| 18:03.18 | noidd | the other is the latest piece of hardware i've been putting together |
| 18:05.27 | noidd | I wonder if there will be any hardware revisions betweek p0 and p2 |
| 18:05.34 | noidd | I'm guessing we're hoping not :-) |
| 18:05.43 | noidd | or p1 and p2 |
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| 18:06.34 | dduardo | hrw: The US Geological Services seems to provide maps that can be copied. http://nmviewogc.cr.usgs.gov/viewer.htm |
| 18:07.00 | alphaone | dduardo: But that's "only" for the US :-( |
| 18:07.03 | dduardo | "information presented on this website is considered public information (unless otherwise noted) and may be distributed or copied" |
| 18:07.23 | hrw | dduardo: I do not care about .us |
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| 18:08.08 | dduardo | Doesn't your govenment have a department of the interior that handles this type of stuff |
| 18:08.38 | alphaone | dduardo: In .de all the maps cost money :-( |
| 18:09.06 | fluffs | governments like getting money |
| 18:09.25 | dduardo | What about the library? Don't they have public records of street layout? I know I can go to the library and get this information in the US. |
| 18:09.36 | fluffs | licensing map-data is one of them. |
| 18:09.55 | fluffs | iirc, uk has free for personal use |
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| 18:10.10 | hrw | dduardo: you will get map which someone created. |
| 18:10.38 | hrw | dduardo: who will warrant that there are no fake streets on it? |
| 18:11.31 | dduardo | Sure, unless you actually go out and verify all the streets |
| 18:13.26 | fluffs | so, is openmoko just the software for this neo1973 phone, or is it a deeper relationship? |
| 18:13.54 | hrw | openmoko is software platform |
| 18:14.03 | hrw | neo1973 is first phone using this platform |
| 18:14.08 | fluffs | aha |
| 18:14.40 | hrw | Elrond: where are you from? |
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| 18:20.20 | fluffs | how is the project progressing? |
| 18:22.07 | dduardo | Ouch: $1,685.00 for 27 DVDs of high res map data |
| 18:22.24 | dduardo | And that's for 1 county |
| 18:23.22 | dduardo | I guess if you want the high res images you have to pay for it. Otherwise your are stuck with the free low res images |
| 18:24.40 | LittleIdiot | how high res is high res in this context? 1m/pixel? |
| 18:25.03 | koen|gprs | pffff |
| 18:25.14 | koen|gprs | you can get 15cm/pixel with quickbird imagery |
| 18:25.30 | LittleIdiot | oh, nice ;) |
| 18:25.36 | koen|gprs | if you pay a bit extra they even point it to the area you want |
| 18:26.05 | dduardo | Not sure, but it is in color and from 2006 |
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| 18:45.50 | tchuladdiass | re: US street data, apparently they have something called the "tiger" database that contains street data in vector format. It is freely distributable, but not sure if they have it downloadable somewhere. Unfortunately, last I heard it doesn't contain one-way street info which would be required for routing purposes. |
| 18:46.27 | koen|gprs | tiger can be downloaded freely |
| 18:46.33 | koen|gprs | it is a bit big iirc |
| 18:49.37 | tchuladdiass | So you would either have to use it as a source material and convert it into a compressed format, or grab as needed from a public server. |
| 18:53.04 | dduardo | street names are also not labeled in TIGER |
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| 20:07.14 | Kaco | hi guys |
| 20:07.44 | Kaco | just found this cool project .... and I'm wondering, is there exact release day for this Neo phone? i'm decided to buy it :) |
| 20:09.31 | l4rs | counter |
| 20:09.31 | aloril | 1 week, 6 days 03:50:28 for source for all developers and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 1 week, 4 days for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks, 1 day for mass market (2007-09-11): see topic for more info |
| 20:09.36 | Genesis | i think i 'll stole one =) |
| 20:10.09 | Kaco | 7 months :( |
| 20:10.41 | Kaco | but atleast 1 month for developers ... but how do you actually develop for it without hw? is there any emulator available? |
| 20:11.27 | l4rs | they develop with the hardware they can buy in one month ;) |
| 20:11.46 | Kaco | ah ok, got it |
| 20:11.57 | Kaco | will it be available in EU that time? or in US? |
| 20:12.05 | l4rs | worldwide |
| 20:12.13 | Kaco | cool |
| 20:12.31 | Kaco | worldwide means, in those 7 months, but I guess I can order it somewhere online |
| 20:12.54 | Kaco | can't wait to get it and replace my phone with this ... idea supporting SIM cards is just cool |
| 20:13.45 | Kaco | i will try to port some light version of Pixel (www.kanzelsberger.com) to openmoko |
| 20:13.49 | l4rs | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-January/000000.html here you will find all important information... |
| 20:13.53 | Kaco | it might come handy when there's camera available |
| 20:14.07 | Kaco | l4rs, thanks, going to read it |
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| 20:28.41 | xkr47 | noidd, saw my reply to you earlier ? |
| 20:28.46 | xkr47 | (I asked a counter-question) |
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| 20:35.40 | grzywacz | Hi. |
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| 20:56.35 | Kaco | hmm i just noticed Neo won't have WiFi |
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| 20:57.09 | Kaco | are there plans to have e-mail client and www browser there? by using what connectivity? GSM? |
| 20:58.33 | CM | Kaco: GSM, or ip over bluetooth or usb :) |
| 20:58.50 | xkr47 | and in case it's unclear, GPRS is also included |
| 20:58.50 | CM | The browser isn't decided yet. Maybe webkit |
| 20:58.56 | Kaco | ah ok |
| 20:59.08 | CM | xkr47: *nod*, my bad :) |
| 20:59.13 | Kaco | internet over GSM is usually pricey |
| 20:59.27 | xkr47 | CM, I don't know if GPRS == GSM so I just thought to be specific :) |
| 20:59.29 | Kaco | i hoped to use it in cafes or so to read mails and browse web |
| 20:59.41 | CM | No wifi in version 1 |
| 20:59.43 | Kaco | xkr47, GPRS is some extension to GSM? |
| 20:59.51 | Kaco | CM, ok so they plan WiFi for v2? :) |
| 20:59.59 | CM | It's package data transport over the gsm network |
| 21:00.05 | Kaco | CM, since with iPhone WiFi sounds like a very good and handy feature |
| 21:00.22 | CM | Kaco: Probably.. They said they'll take "our" wishes into account |
| 21:00.25 | benJIman | v2 will most likely not be for a year after v1 launch though |
| 21:00.27 | CM | And almost everyone wants wifi |
| 21:00.29 | Kaco | CM, nice! :) |
| 21:00.43 | xkr47 | but but |
| 21:00.54 | xkr47 | the first version is more to get hackers & developers started |
| 21:01.09 | xkr47 | not to say it isn't usable for anyone else, sorry |
| 21:01.17 | Kaco | yeah |
| 21:01.28 | Kaco | i like their idea to not fork any of those libs used |
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| 21:01.35 | Kaco | so you can port almost any X11 based app |
| 21:01.47 | xkr47 | but wifi couldn't make it to version 1 for multiple reasons so they thought having a phone is better than having no phone and no clear path for wifi |
| 21:01.52 | CM | Yes, and any gtk |
| 21:01.57 | Kaco | yeah |
| 21:02.03 | xkr47 | Kaco, yeah it rules really.. maintainability++ |
| 21:02.08 | Kaco | yep :) |
| 21:02.15 | Kaco | and as I can see I can use freepascal for development |
| 21:02.22 | Kaco | hope CPU is ARM :) |
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| 21:02.23 | xkr47 | CM, yeah luckily most gtk apps work fine with gtk 2.6 |
| 21:02.40 | xkr47 | Kaco, it sure is :) |
| 21:02.43 | Kaco | xkr47, can't you just compile newer GTK if you want? |
| 21:02.56 | xkr47 | Kaco, yeah but I think it was maybe slower |
| 21:03.00 | Kaco | ok |
| 21:03.01 | xkr47 | Kaco, because of the cairo stuff.. |
| 21:03.08 | xkr47 | Kaco, but I might be wrong |
| 21:03.10 | Kaco | hmm anyway what about RAM/flash? how much can you store there? |
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| 21:03.17 | Kaco | yeah cario is slow without hw accel |
| 21:03.19 | xkr47 | I guess they are waiting for cairo to get better arm-optimization |
| 21:03.32 | xkr47 | or maybe getting better hw support for v2 :) |
| 21:03.37 | epsino | hi, exists any video presentation of the neo1973 smartphone in action ? |
| 21:03.44 | xkr47 | Kaco, check the wiki in the topic |
| 21:03.45 | CM | epsino: Not yet |
| 21:03.57 | Kaco | xkr47, ok :) |
| 21:04.01 | epsino | CM: thank you |
| 21:04.13 | CM | But there's a youtube interview with Sean holding a prototype ;) |
| 21:04.28 | epsino | yes, i saw it |
| 21:04.30 | Kaco | yeah but that phone was turned off :) |
| 21:04.38 | Kaco | i'm wondering about those screenshots |
| 21:04.45 | xkr47 | :) |
| 21:04.47 | Kaco | are those just mockups? (looks like so) |
| 21:05.03 | epsino | i saw the screenshoots too, but i need more !!! jeje |
| 21:05.10 | Kaco | epsino, :) |
| 21:05.21 | xkr47 | epsino, :) |
| 21:05.44 | CM | counter |
| 21:05.45 | aloril | 1 week, 6 days 02:54:15 for source for all developers and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 1 week, 4 days for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks, 1 day for mass market (2007-09-11): see topic for more info |
| 21:05.47 | epsino | what is the kernel base of openmoko ? |
| 21:06.00 | CM | epsino: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-January/000000.html |
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| 21:06.15 | CM | (2.6.17.4 btw) |
| 21:06.24 | xkr47 | btw, ftw |
| 21:06.47 | Kaco | hmm iphone is way smaller and even has wifi |
| 21:06.53 | Kaco | no idea how they managed to do that |
| 21:07.03 | xkr47 | I guess they won't even try 2.6.18+ before launch.. usb problems sounds like "ok, not our primary issue" :) |
| 21:07.14 | CM | Kaco: It's be suprised if it has good reception |
| 21:07.44 | Kaco | CM, yeah maybe ... but bigger display (worse resolution) and 4/8GB of storage! |
| 21:07.53 | xkr47 | cm, tlas ?-) |
| 21:08.00 | CM | Three Letter Acronyms |
| 21:08.02 | CM | :) |
| 21:08.03 | Kaco | CM, but thing that Cingular contract sucks .. and since I'm in EU I don't even know what the hell is CIngular :) |
| 21:08.27 | CM | Kaco: I'm in .se, and I've never had a contract with any operator |
| 21:08.33 | xkr47 | lol!! |
| 21:08.39 | xkr47 | I had forgotten that acronym already |
| 21:08.59 | xkr47 | we actually had that explained on a school course ;-) |
| 21:09.12 | CM | xkr47: ffs ;) |
| 21:09.20 | xkr47 | not that one though ;) |
| 21:09.37 | Kaco | CM, well I had contract for 2 years, but it's gone and I'm free :) |
| 21:09.46 | xkr47 | hmm, how much did the iphone 2-year contract cost? |
| 21:09.58 | CM | I bet there will be a lot of pics of the Neo in 2 weeks when all the devs get their hw |
| 21:10.00 | xkr47 | I think someone should add that to the iphone vs neo chart @ unoff wiki |
| 21:10.19 | xkr47 | CM, yeah :) |
| 21:10.24 | CM | xkr47: I read today that the iPhone isn't subsidized by Cingular at all |
| 21:10.32 | CM | That's why it's so expensive |
| 21:10.33 | xkr47 | CM, the picture will probably include the owner's hands & happy faces also :D |
| 21:10.38 | xkr47 | pictures* |
| 21:10.41 | CM | xkr47: Hehe |
| 21:10.58 | xkr47 | CM, yeah.. but what will the 2-year contract cost..? |
| 21:11.04 | epsino | based on the base software description, do you think that port current java vm for linux to openmoko will be crazy ? |
| 21:11.20 | xkr47 | anything on openmoko is bound to be crazy :) |
| 21:11.28 | xkr47 | (Score 5, funny) |
| 21:11.57 | CM | epsino: I hope you mean the j2me vm |
| 21:12.17 | CM | I wonder how big minimal jre-1.6 is |
| 21:13.03 | epsino | CM, i think that J2ME/CLDC is very small for a big thing such as openmoko ! |
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| 21:13.13 | Eludias | JavaVM would enable things like Google Maps Mobile (google.com/gmm) to do car/bike/walking navigation. However the problem keeps to be the price of data transferred... |
| 21:13.37 | SpeedEvil | Well - assuming it has enough horsepower. |
| 21:13.49 | SpeedEvil | Which it may well not. |
| 21:13.56 | CM | I'm using gmail and opera mini on my se k750i, and it works pretty good |
| 21:14.01 | CM | especially gmail |
| 21:14.06 | Stephmw | Of course it will have enough horsepower |
| 21:14.25 | epsino | i found a project, http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~dat/java/project/jvm/index_en.html |
| 21:14.36 | epsino | is a port of jvm for pocket pc |
| 21:14.46 | Stephmw | epsino: J2ME CLDC/CDC is necessary anyway for the vast majority of mobile phone games. |
| 21:16.42 | epsino | Stephmw, you are right, but only with J2ME CLDC. There is a big lack of CDC implementations so, is very difficult to found a CDC game |
| 21:16.45 | epsino | or application |
| 21:16.47 | SpeedEvil | Oh well, no way as I don't have a treo. |
| 21:17.48 | Stephmw | epsino: Agreed - but if we can do CLDC, CDC isn't much more to add |
| 21:19.07 | epsino | mmmmm, CLDC to CDC is a big step |
| 21:19.20 | epsino | do you know any linux implementation for CLDC ? |
| 21:19.47 | Stephmw | Sun's RI already runs on arm linux, just needs a binding for the UI |
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| 21:20.05 | Stephmw | which someone is working on |
| 21:20.11 | Stephmw | MIDP on SDL |
| 21:20.34 | epsino | very interesting |
| 21:24.51 | CM | I've looked some at the phoneme project |
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| 21:25.33 | CM | Can't really grasp how far along they are, but i did download the source to look around |
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| 21:25.40 | CM | That's a bit over my head though |
| 21:27.27 | epsino | yes, i saw the phoneme project too |
| 21:27.27 | epsino | but not in deep |
| 21:30.22 | Stephmw | epsino: lots more Java stuff at FOSDEM in february |
| 21:31.56 | CM | I don't dare to go there until I've actually done something worth using :) |
| 21:35.07 | epsino | well, i am going to work now, good luck !!! bye bye |
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| 21:38.00 | CM | uy = uruguay? |
| 21:39.12 | Clint | yes |
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| 22:21.33 | CM | MDK: Nice blog post :) |
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| 22:36.37 | leventhal | counter |
| 22:36.38 | aloril | 1 week, 6 days 01:23:22 for source for all developers and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 1 week, 4 days for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks, 1 day for mass market (2007-09-11): see topic for more info |
| 22:37.15 | markit | 7 months? sigh |
| 22:37.39 | markit | I've a only a month to learn how to develop for openmoko ;) |
| 22:38.35 | leventhal | I've been putting off learning how to develop for OM |
| 22:38.35 | fluffs | i've already had one brush with OpenEmbedded, and didn't like it much |
| 22:41.22 | xkr47 | markit, well you don't need to prove you can develop.. it's enough you claim you can ;) |
| 22:42.27 | markit | oh, interesting :) |
| 22:42.34 | Clint | claim with $$$ |
| 22:42.38 | markit | I've developed the will of having one device ;) |
| 22:43.16 | l4rs | you don't even have to claim... from what i've heard the phone is for developers because it hasn't anythink and enduser would expect to be there |
| 22:43.19 | leventhal | I almost caved to the temptation of buying a wii.. fortunately there were none available. |
| 22:43.29 | SpeedEvil | I wanted to play with e-ink, for a rollable-unrollable display. You roll it open, and out comes a 6*4" display, that's static till it rolls back in. |
| 22:43.43 | SpeedEvil | Basically for ebooks. |
| 22:43.58 | SpeedEvil | Alas, they don't do the bare imaging film. |
| 22:45.12 | SpeedEvil | Just a 4*1*1" device, with a 8" display would be fun for books. |
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| 23:45.28 | dot1 | hello |
| 23:46.46 | fluffs | grr, the openmoki presentation just crashed the pdf viewer :( |
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| 23:50.53 | fluffs | hmm, my collegaue is currently cursing the n800 |
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| 23:56.28 | rwhitby | fluffs: yep - 10:30 where I am |
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| 23:59.20 | mikesh | 01:00am here :) |
| 23:59.34 | fluffs | just hitting midnight here |
