| 00:01.20 | dw_swe | you mean to connect external wifi(forexample) to phone battery and then connect to unpowered usb on phone with detection of host or not? |
| 00:01.21 | LittleIdiot | hmm. you'll get interference when consuming power and making i/o over usb at the same time. but lets say the wlan device has a diode with a big enough capacitor behind it and the both devices have agreed on data and power-slots (fixed rate) |
| 00:01.35 | SpeedEvil | Err - no. |
| 00:01.38 | dw_swe | and unplug when connecting to computer for example |
| 00:02.04 | SpeedEvil | The USB device has an internal battery, and wakes up when something that presents the appropriate for a host voltages on the data pins arrives. |
| 00:02.15 | dw_swe | aha |
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| 00:02.23 | LittleIdiot | oh, ok. i thought you wanted power-over-data-lines ;) |
| 00:02.35 | SpeedEvil | No, that would be insane :) |
| 00:02.54 | SpeedEvil | At least when the alternative is to add an additional power converter. |
| 00:03.18 | LittleIdiot | just geeky enough for me ;) |
| 00:03.45 | SpeedEvil | I'm just trying to work out the simplest way to turn off a USB device on a non-powered port when the program doesn't want the peripheral active. |
| 00:03.48 | dw_swe | but what about connect to internal power thrue shell and then usb? |
| 00:03.58 | dw_swe | no external batterys |
| 00:04.00 | SpeedEvil | There is no power on the external port. |
| 00:04.04 | dw_swe | less bulky |
| 00:04.09 | dw_swe | no |
| 00:04.30 | dw_swe | drill holes in the phone :-D |
| 00:04.46 | dw_swe | find 3.3V and use that |
| 00:05.36 | SpeedEvil | Also - the 3.3V converter possibly can't handle another half - 1W. |
| 00:05.44 | LittleIdiot | SpeedEvil: http://homepages.internet.lu/absolute3/tronic/opcirc5.htm one of those would do |
| 00:05.44 | SpeedEvil | Especially when transmitting. |
| 00:05.52 | dw_swe | mmm yea, but if you got no choise? Like dont want big battery |
| 00:06.08 | LittleIdiot | basically they detect changing flanks |
| 00:06.19 | SpeedEvil | I'm talking of something like 1AAA li-ion cell. |
| 00:07.03 | SpeedEvil | It'd probably be easier with a PIC and a RC filter before the ADC. |
| 00:07.10 | SpeedEvil | $1 or so per. |
| 00:07.17 | SpeedEvil | And physically tiny. |
| 00:07.40 | LittleIdiot | but the adc may be too slow |
| 00:07.49 | SpeedEvil | That's why you put a filter before it. |
| 00:08.20 | SpeedEvil | You are not looking at decoding the data, just what the average voltage over the last second is. |
| 00:08.27 | SpeedEvil | Well - 100ms. |
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| 00:10.12 | dw_swe | Maby use som thin li-ion or li-polymer battery from mobile phone, there are som really thin. |
| 00:10.28 | SpeedEvil | AAA Li-ion cell is probably a good match. |
| 00:10.56 | dw_swe | umm.. AAA as in cylindrical standard battery? |
| 00:11.00 | SpeedEvil | Light, moderately easily replacable, reasonable capacity, fairly available. |
| 00:11.01 | cbpage | yup |
| 00:11.02 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 00:11.13 | SpeedEvil | 10mm dia *44mm |
| 00:12.21 | dw_swe | yes and then the phone is 28mm istead of 18, humm maby mount on the long edge? |
| 00:12.50 | SpeedEvil | I don't know where the USB port is. I thought it was on the end. |
| 00:12.53 | dw_swe | hard to make that stable. |
| 00:13.37 | dw_swe | do we know what type of usb-connector it will be? |
| 00:13.47 | SpeedEvil | Mini ab |
| 00:13.54 | dw_swe | ok |
| 00:14.18 | dw_swe | Humm /me needs to think this over, and sleep some, bye |
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| 00:36.51 | LittleIdiot | does anybody know how much these evaluation boards from meritech cost? |
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| 00:55.16 | emulsion | k |
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| 01:01.37 | bprice20 | the man is back. |
| 01:02.30 | bprice20 | I wonder why it is always empty here yet the mailing list is plum full of stupid questions that have been answered 1000 times |
| 01:19.10 | Robot101 | 186, exactly the number of people in #maemo atm. spooky. :) |
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| 01:23.38 | rwhitby | bprice20: it's not empty at other times of the day. you must be in a non-US, non-EU timezone (like me), or be joining at weird times for your timezone if it's US or EU |
| 01:24.00 | bprice20 | I am on the eastern US |
| 01:24.39 | bprice20 | but I guess I can come back during the day |
| 01:24.58 | rwhitby | bprice20: you can see logs at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko.txt |
| 01:25.07 | bprice20 | yummy thx |
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| 04:15.31 | aloril | counter |
| 04:15.31 | aloril | 2 weeks, 3 days for source availability and devices for selected developers; 1 month, 2 weeks, 1 day for any developers; 7 months, 2 weeks, 5 days for mass market |
| 04:15.43 | aloril | mailing list now less busy, not anymore 100 mails waiting ;-) |
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| 05:00.23 | anarcat | just wanted to say cheers and good luck, let's do this :) |
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| 06:16.09 | aloril | noidd: I think routing from microphone to GSM subsystem is done in software, so you can do whatever you want between them |
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| 06:30.28 | CM | Morning |
| 06:30.46 | aloril | CM: morning |
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| 08:09.03 | dottedmag | counter |
| 08:09.04 | aloril | 2 weeks, 3 days for source availability and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 2 weeks, 1 day for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks, 5 days for mass market (2007-09-11) |
| 08:09.28 | buz | rwhitby: can one abuse a nslu as wlan gateway? |
| 08:09.34 | buz | (with a wifi stick, obviously |
| 08:11.00 | rwhitby | buz: we're working on getting zd1211 sticks to operate. |
| 08:11.54 | buz | mhh looking at it i might get a asus router with usb2 instead |
| 08:12.20 | rwhitby | buz: and run openwrt on it? |
| 08:12.27 | buz | for example |
| 08:12.35 | buz | i now run openwrt on a wrt54 |
| 08:12.37 | buz | that works just fine |
| 08:13.01 | rwhitby | with a bluetooth stick? not sure if they have support for them yet (I could easily be wrong) |
| 08:13.02 | buz | or maybe i'll build a miniitx box more space, more cpu and lot more ram |
| 08:13.18 | buz | shouldnt be very hard to get bluetooth runnnig |
| 08:14.07 | buz | also looking at that new linksys dual hd NAS |
| 08:14.25 | rwhitby | yeah, I want someone to buy me one of those to play with. |
| 08:14.39 | buz | not yet shipping are they? |
| 08:17.05 | buz | what id like most is a 4sata 1gige embedded board at a sane price but that doesnt seem to exist |
| 08:18.14 | buz | anyway gotta go |
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| 08:31.54 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 08:32.12 | CM | morning |
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| 08:55.31 | bedboi | any news about the developer launch? |
| 08:55.55 | CM | counter |
| 08:55.56 | aloril | 2 weeks, 3 days for source availability and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 2 weeks, 1 day for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks, 5 days for mass market (2007-09-11) |
| 08:56.07 | CM | :) |
| 08:56.38 | Ganneff | hrm, that counter is boring, where are the minutes and seconds? :) |
| 08:57.47 | CM | Hehe.. I think days is too detailed. ;) Feb 11th is a sunday, and March 11th too |
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| 09:01.46 | XorA | morning |
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| 09:23.04 | aloril | counter |
| 09:23.04 | aloril | 2 weeks, 3 days 12:36:55 for source availability and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 2 weeks, 1 day for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks, 5 days for mass market (2007-09-11) |
| 09:23.25 | aloril | counter |
| 09:23.25 | aloril | 2 weeks, 3 days 12:36:35 for source availability and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 2 weeks, 1 day for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks, 5 days for mass market (2007-09-11) |
| 09:24.05 | aloril | now its there without using too much space ;-) |
| 09:24.33 | aloril | anyway, its EET ;-) |
| 09:25.14 | hrw|work | el |
| 09:25.26 | bedboi | who select developers? |
| 09:26.17 | hrw|work | coreteam |
| 09:27.05 | bedboi | ah, ok |
| 09:27.22 | bedboi | so just openmoko internal developers |
| 09:27.27 | hrw|work | yes |
| 09:27.37 | XorA | pay mickeyl $$$$$$$$$$ :-) |
| 09:28.07 | bedboi | btw, i'm willing to contact some developer to ask if someone in openmoko is involved in EU 7th FP... |
| 09:28.42 | XorA | bedboi: I failed to grep that last bit |
| 09:29.19 | bedboi | http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/home_en.html |
| 09:30.17 | bedboi | ehehe |
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| 09:46.14 | CM | bedboi: How are you related to that fp7 thing? |
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| 09:47.30 | xorAxAx | bedboi: in which project exactly? |
| 09:47.38 | xorAxAx | FP7 is large :) |
| 09:48.32 | what_nick_ | dropping in to check what I can do for and with openmoko |
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| 09:49.10 | CM | xorAxAx: Wow, 32 billion Euros is a lot.. |
| 09:49.24 | CM | what_nick_: Welcome :) |
| 09:49.44 | xorAxAx | yeah, huge is a better term |
| 09:50.03 | what_nick_ | I have worked on RealTek Soc's and Embedded linux on them |
| 09:50.13 | CM | COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGIES - Budget: ? 9.1 billion (2007 - 2013) |
| 09:51.16 | what_nick_ | I went to uni with mithro from open embedded |
| 09:51.39 | CM | what_nick_: It's not much to see yet when it comes to code. It's not released yet, but will be in a few weeks |
| 09:51.48 | CM | Good if you know openembedded :) |
| 09:52.11 | what_nick_ | ya ... |
| 09:52.22 | what_nick_ | okay with uClinux etc as well so .. |
| 09:52.40 | what_nick_ | lets see ... |
| 09:52.57 | what_nick_ | Questions regarding AGPS .. |
| 09:52.59 | CM | The only "real devs" right now, afaik, is mickeyl and LaF0rge |
| 09:53.15 | aloril | and koen |
| 09:53.36 | CM | aloril: is he on the openmoko team already? :) |
| 09:53.38 | what_nick_ | It will require support from the carrier ? |
| 09:54.07 | aloril | CM: isn't koen something like head of openembedded which openmoko is based on? |
| 09:54.22 | xorAxAx | aloril: thats primarily irrelevant :) |
| 09:54.23 | aloril | what_nick_: not really, just use unlocked SIM |
| 09:55.30 | CM | what_nick_: I've been thinking about that too. Don't know for sure how it works. Maybe all carriers support it by default? |
| 09:55.53 | what_nick_ | ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGPS |
| 09:56.18 | what_nick_ | no AGPS requires base stations to have support for Assitanse |
| 09:56.30 | what_nick_ | *Assitance even |
| 09:56.53 | what_nick_ | Assisted GPS describes a system where outside sources, such as an assistance server (Mobile Location Server) via a network, help a GPS |
| 09:56.55 | what_nick_ | ... |
| 09:57.43 | what_nick_ | AGPS chips are toned down GPS chips with less processing power and depend on the base station to compute locations |
| 09:58.01 | hrw|work | aloril: koen is one of OE devels |
| 09:58.17 | hrw|work | aloril: but he is not openmoko devel (yet) |
| 09:58.25 | what_nick_ | Some mobile phones will accept converted data streams to compute a position themselves. |
| 09:58.41 | hrw|work | aloril: I'm one of OE core developers but not openmoko one (yet) |
| 09:59.01 | what_nick_ | ok so it is possible to capture the stream from the AGPS chip and solve the location on the secondary processor on the phone |
| 09:59.11 | what_nick_ | but will take longer to lock on |
| 09:59.33 | rwhitby | there area a number of OE developers here. Some nslu2-linux (also based on OE) developers too. |
| 09:59.35 | what_nick_ | anyway ... just checking if anyone was thinking along these lines |
| 09:59.45 | aloril | hrw|work: OK |
| 10:00.22 | CM | what_nick_: It has, quite a lot I think. Mentioned both in the mailinglist and the unofficial wiki |
| 10:00.35 | what_nick_ | just to introduce myself my base project is Nasa Worldwind ... |
| 10:00.56 | aloril | what_nick_: I have seen speculations of replacing binary agps daemon with free one and no doubt it will happen at some point |
| 10:01.47 | hrw|work | rwhitby: how many OE powered devices you have?? |
| 10:02.36 | rwhitby | hrw|work: 2 slugs (nslu2), 2 nas100d's, 1 fsg-3 (waiting on a serial cable for that before hacking it), and an Asus wl500g (which may run OE after the fsg-3 becomes the new internet gateway) |
| 10:02.38 | aloril | what_nick_: agpsd being software it should be easy to capture input/output from it and reverse engineer meaning of raw data AGPS chip emits (and how its controlled) |
| 10:03.13 | rwhitby | each of the slugs is a bluetooth to internet gateway (1 at home, 1 at work) for my Treo650, and will do the same for the Neo. |
| 10:03.29 | what_nick_ | i believe OE runs on some linksys wlan stuff as well |
| 10:03.54 | what_nick_ | aloril: yep |
| 10:04.10 | what_nick_ | but the SoC will need to solve the GPS position |
| 10:04.27 | what_nick_ | which is usually slower that using dedicated GPS hardware |
| 10:06.00 | what_nick_ | get authority from cell providers and network operators for |
| 10:06.01 | what_nick_ | AGPS to go through them |
| 10:06.02 | what_nick_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.06 | what_nick_ | between an operator |
| 10:06.06 | what_nick_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.11 | what_nick_ | from the mailing list |
| 10:06.12 | what_nick_ | i like that :) |
| 10:06.21 | what_nick_ | get between the operator and $$$ |
| 10:06.27 | what_nick_ | bad place to be :) |
| 10:06.41 | what_nick_ | sorry for the spammage :( |
| 10:06.42 | what_nick_ | eek |
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| 10:21.57 | hrw|work | XorA: three are not enough? |
| 10:22.22 | XorA | hrw|work: nah, they are all PDAs |
| 10:22.39 | XorA | hrw|work: although one day maybe someone make full WRT router support |
| 10:23.38 | XorA | hrw|work: my next device I need is something that can sit behind my HDTV and play stuff off my network |
| 10:23.42 | hrw|work | XorA: wrt support need spending too much time |
| 10:23.50 | hrw|work | XorA: dreambox? |
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| 10:26.14 | XorA | hrw|work: already got a satelite receiver |
| 10:27.37 | hrw|work | XorA: http://www.ewayco.com/51-embedded-systems-100-PC-mini-ITX-low-cost/100-TU-low-cost-pc-thin-client-embedded-system.html can be probably a bit too slow? |
| 10:28.32 | XorA | hrw|work: I was think http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=27 |
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| 10:55.37 | XorA | eeeps Sean looks like a total nerd :-) |
| 10:55.58 | hrw|work | XorA: proper looking manager is good thing ;D |
| 10:57.07 | XorA | hrw|work: he needs to grow a beard if he gonna mess with linux :-) |
| 10:57.51 | hrw|work | XorA: beard you say... |
| 10:58.28 | hrw|work | I stopped shaving at end of November and bought beard trimmer |
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| 11:35.16 | greentux | hi lrg |
| 11:35.29 | lrg | hey greentux |
| 11:43.23 | greentux | hard working these weeks lrg? |
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| 11:53.45 | rd_ | yo, i heard about this project today from a friend. could any1 gimme some links that i could read more about the projects? |
| 11:53.59 | dottedmag | rd_: in the topic |
| 11:54.19 | rd_ | im an experience linux kernel developer btw, wanna to see if i can help anything in the project |
| 11:54.30 | rd_ | dottedmag, check those links already |
| 11:54.43 | rd_ | is it the code avaiable to test? |
| 11:54.54 | dottedmag | counter |
| 11:54.54 | aloril | 2 weeks, 3 days 10:05:05 for source availability and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 2 weeks, 1 day for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks, 5 days for mass market (2007-09-11) |
| 11:56.22 | rd_ | so the source will be available on Feb 11? |
| 11:56.36 | dottedmag | devs say so |
| 11:57.38 | rd_ | ic, so at this point, no any other information beside the wiki page & mail list archive? |
| 11:59.57 | CM | Nope, nothing significant at least |
| 12:00.31 | CM | That announcement in the topic is a good summary of what's going on |
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| 12:01.47 | rd_ | i see, thanks CM |
| 12:06.32 | lrg | greentux: very busy |
| 12:08.08 | greentux | lrg: same here... soft winter... |
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| 13:09.42 | aloril | rd_: you can download openembedded though, its build on top of that |
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| 13:14.43 | Eblis | is mono already ported to the openmoko ? i mean will mono run once openmoko ships or does it still require work ? i would like to port it if it's not already done :) |
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| 13:15.41 | what_nick_ | i think it will need to be compiled to the platform |
| 13:15.49 | hrw|work | Eblis: need to be added |
| 13:15.58 | what_nick_ | check the openembedded package selection |
| 13:16.34 | CM | Eblis: it's ported to the Maemo, and I know some others have talked about getting it working in openmoke too |
| 13:17.14 | CM | s/moke/moko/ |
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| 13:18.24 | XorA | mono was in openembedded, but was removed due to lack of maintanence |
| 13:22.51 | hrw|work | it was obsolete version |
| 13:23.13 | Eblis | aha |
| 13:23.24 | Eblis | i was just browsing through openembedded and i noticed mono |
| 13:23.27 | Eblis | in one link |
| 13:23.41 | Eblis | but it was 1.0 i think |
| 13:24.09 | Eblis | i assume python is already available, no ? :) |
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| 13:24.46 | XorA | Eblis: we would love someone to make latest mono available |
| 13:24.58 | XorA | Eblis: and yes python and perl are both in openembedded |
| 13:25.09 | Eblis | i'd love to have mono too :) |
| 13:26.17 | XorA | Eblis: feel free to file patches to bugs.openembedded.org :-) |
| 13:26.17 | hrw|work | and ruby |
| 13:26.28 | hrw|work | we lack php but who cares? |
| 13:26.32 | XorA | hrw|work: ruby working now? |
| 13:26.33 | Eblis | heh |
| 13:26.45 | hrw|work | XorA: it builds |
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| 13:30.21 | what_nick_ | i wonder what i wil do on a phone with ruby |
| 13:30.24 | what_nick_ | :) |
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| 13:30.48 | XorA | ruby on rails on rails |
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| 16:31.39 | mjr | oops, forgot to be here |
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| 16:37.50 | nfx | Hello |
| 16:40.43 | mickeyl | hey guys |
| 16:40.49 | mickeyl | cheers lrg, good to see you here |
| 16:40.49 | Zer0Her0 | sup |
| 16:41.55 | lrg | hey mickeyl |
| 16:41.58 | hrw|work | mickeyl: do you have alsa working on neo already? |
| 16:42.37 | lrg | hrw|work: playback is working |
| 16:43.24 | mickeyl | heh |
| 16:43.37 | mickeyl | guess by now we no longer bother to keep it a secret that you guys are involved, right? |
| 16:43.38 | mickeyl | *g* |
| 16:44.03 | hrw|work | lrg: record not yet? |
| 16:44.05 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 16:44.22 | lrg | hrw|work: in progress atm, XorA is debugging |
| 16:44.29 | XorA | hrw|work: you ask the wrong person |
| 16:45.04 | Matt_PI | how about video like corecodec will it work on a Neo |
| 16:45.49 | Matt_PI | or is the ARM not powerful enough to do 24fps video ??? |
| 16:46.02 | lrg | hrw|work: congrats on your new job :) |
| 16:46.15 | mickeyl | Matt_PI: s3c2410 @ 2xx MHz is slow |
| 16:46.22 | XorA | Matt_PI: I have mplayer on s3c2410, I shall be testing |
| 16:46.25 | mickeyl | _very_ slow |
| 16:46.26 | stefan_schmidt | Matt_PI: Not powerful enough. Think about 640x480 |
| 16:46.26 | koen|gprs | "slow" |
| 16:46.30 | mjr | I'm sure it can play back video _of some quality_. Planning to do some testing when I get mine. |
| 16:46.38 | XorA | it takes 22% cpu load to play mp3 :-( |
| 16:46.48 | mickeyl | bummer |
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| 16:46.52 | mickeyl | ~lart Samsung |
| 16:47.06 | koen|gprs | XorA: glue on a vfp :) |
| 16:47.34 | hrw|work | stefan_schmidt: dual i.MX31? |
| 16:47.38 | koen|gprs | any cool news on the neo since saterday? |
| 16:47.54 | Zer0Her0 | it's been discontinued |
| 16:47.57 | Zer0Her0 | ;) |
| 16:48.18 | stefan_schmidt | hrw|work: Would be nice, but only dual core. :) |
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| 16:59.47 | mickeyl | ~lart penny stock spam |
| 16:59.51 | mickeyl | ~lart penny stock spam again |
| 17:00.01 | koen|gprs | ~lart openmoko users that can't google |
| 17:00.11 | koen|gprs | oops, that was a pleonasm |
| 17:01.06 | SpeedEvil | Is there any video scaler in the chip? |
| 17:01.13 | mickeyl | nope |
| 17:01.22 | SpeedEvil | I.E. can you play 160*120 video scaled |
| 17:01.24 | koen|gprs | a 1:1 scaler :) |
| 17:01.26 | mickeyl | google for the s3c2410 datasheet to see all of the "glory" ;) |
| 17:01.31 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 17:01.35 | SpeedEvil | Pity. |
| 17:05.00 | koen|gprs | mickeyl: http://svn.o-hand.com/view/poky/trunk/meta/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive/hide-cursor-and-ppm-root.patch?rev=1191&view=auto |
| 17:07.56 | koen|gprs | mickeyl: why is there no stylesheet for planet openmoko? |
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| 17:10.11 | mickeyl | because the designers just finished it |
| 17:10.36 | mickeyl | we didn't advertise the planet yet |
| 17:10.37 | mickeyl | i think tomorrow it'll be there |
| 17:11.00 | koen|gprs | mickeyl: do you think that o-hand patch is usefull to openmoko? |
| 17:11.30 | mickeyl | which one? |
| 17:11.34 | mickeyl | oh |
| 17:12.12 | mickeyl | oh that's cool |
| 17:12.16 | mickeyl | definitly useful, yeah |
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| 17:14.19 | tioan | hello |
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| 17:57.25 | Zer0Her0 | hey |
| 17:57.29 | Zer0Her0 | doh wrong window |
| 17:57.55 | FirefighterBlu3 | :) |
| 17:58.30 | Zer0Her0 | i hate when text input doesn't shift focus with window focus. |
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| 18:13.11 | anselm | it looks like the hardware has 'agps' but not ordinary real 'gps'; is agps just assisted gps that requires cell towers and carrier cooperation? |
| 18:22.28 | buz | you can use real gps too |
| 18:22.47 | buz | and most likely someone will hack the thing to use agps from any source |
| 18:25.00 | anselm | oh, it has a real gps also; or does agps mean 'assisted gps and real gps' ? |
| 18:26.21 | anselm | its still not 100% clear to me that the sucker has gps in any case; these caveats and qualifiers like the 'a' in front of 'gps' always make me suspicious... |
| 18:27.02 | anselm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS |
| 18:28.34 | LaF0rge | kudos to xora and lrg |
| 18:31.17 | bprice20 | I am green with envy |
| 18:31.48 | bprice20 | as I compile minisip with the embedded targer |
| 18:31.53 | bprice20 | target |
| 18:32.31 | lrg | LaF0rge: :) |
| 18:32.32 | prpplague | LaF0rge: any idea if fic is interested in OEM the motherboard and lcd? |
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| 18:34.02 | XorA|gone | LaF0rge: all working now then? |
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| 18:35.32 | dougt | is the wiki dead? |
| 18:35.45 | dougt | it is requiring username/passwd |
| 18:35.52 | LaF0rge | xora: yeah, both headset and the stereo speakers |
| 18:35.57 | dougt | (the official one) |
| 18:35.59 | ozamosi | dougt: It's not open yet |
| 18:36.00 | LaF0rge | dougt: there is no public wiki before feb 11 |
| 18:36.05 | XorA | LaF0rge: cool |
| 18:36.50 | dougt | thanks. :) |
| 18:37.05 | XorA | dougt: making minimo work? |
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| 18:58.41 | buz | bloody GNU zealots |
| 18:58.57 | leventhal | Eh? |
| 18:58.58 | XorA | wheres a zealot, will jump on them |
| 18:59.05 | buz | would they shut up if we manage to compile OE with tendra and use bsd's libc? |
| 18:59.25 | buz | or dietlibc for that matter |
| 18:59.33 | buz | XorA theres a few on the mailing list |
| 18:59.47 | xorAxAx | dietlibc is broken, why not ulibc? :) |
| 18:59.55 | buz | yeah whatever |
| 19:00.01 | buz | just not gnu ;= |
| 19:04.39 | b_lindeijer | Do we have an anti-GNU zealot here or what? |
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| 19:05.09 | tchuladdiass | b_lindeijer: the mailing list has a couple of people pushing the gnu/linux thing |
| 19:05.11 | buz | just anti zealot |
| 19:05.29 | buz | usually when i get pushed to something i do the exact opposite ;) |
| 19:05.34 | buz | (just ask my gf) |
| 19:06.28 | b_lindeijer | I see. |
| 19:06.38 | mjr | so, you let'em get to you :] |
| 19:06.41 | b_lindeijer | I thought these things had been already decided, heh. |
| 19:07.09 | buz | gnu/linux wont ever be decided |
| 19:07.18 | buz | that's religion++ |
| 19:07.19 | tchuladdiass | and unfortunately, i can't auto-filter them, because i'm getting the list via digests. |
| 19:07.29 | b_lindeijer | No, I mean whether to use Linux and glibc on the OpenMoko. |
| 19:07.38 | Jeroen | gnu/linux doesn't have to do anything with religion |
| 19:07.40 | buz | oh linux and glibc it is, afaik |
| 19:08.38 | b_lindeijer | Ah, ok. |
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| 19:09.29 | tchuladdiass | BTW, I'm itching to start coding something. Is there any needed sub-projects I can start working on? |
| 19:11.03 | tchuladdiass | My skill set is mostly in low-level C, utilitites, etc. Not much skill in gui's (although I can aquire them as needed) |
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| 19:12.14 | stefan_schmidt | tchuladdiass: Itching me too, but I think waiting is the best way to see what stuff is needed. |
| 19:12.31 | stefan_schmidt | tchuladdiass: Once the svn repo is open we shall see what is needed |
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| 19:28.53 | Stepan | w |
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| 20:12.37 | noidd | damn |
| 20:12.45 | noidd | I wish that thread would just die |
| 20:13.11 | stefan_schmidt | Nice theme. It's public from now: http://planet.openmoko.org/ |
| 20:13.54 | noidd | looked CSSfree yesterday |
| 20:14.03 | noidd | Very nice. |
| 20:14.37 | bprice20 | http://planet.openmoko.org/ seems to me all css'd and nice now |
| 20:14.47 | bprice20 | oh damn you beat me to it |
| 20:15.00 | noidd | The last post which seems to be anonymous talkes about having a real physical device |
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| 20:15.17 | noidd | Glad they're almost in the wild :-) |
| 20:15.20 | noidd | counter |
| 20:15.20 | aloril | 2 weeks, 3 days 01:44:39 for source availability and devices for selected developers (2007-02-11); 1 month, 2 weeks, 1 day for any developers (2007-03-11); 7 months, 2 weeks, 5 days for mass market (2007-09-11) |
| 20:16.45 | stefan_schmidt | noidd: It seems LaF0rge has to fix up his weblog setup to show his name. ;) |
| 20:17.04 | noidd | heh, nice |
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| 20:19.38 | noidd | I have a big display in my cube showing the days counting down |
| 20:19.56 | noidd | people kept asking me why I was leaving (they see a countdown they assume why) |
| 20:20.07 | noidd | so I end up giving the whole "This is openmoko" schpeil every day |
| 20:20.10 | xorAxAx | hehe |
| 20:20.26 | noidd | I work with Time Warners corp cellphone / email / PIM people |
| 20:20.32 | noidd | so I'm hoping to convert them |
| 20:20.40 | noidd | we have an obscene number of blackberrys |
| 20:24.27 | xorAxAx | noidd: just imagine a custom app for timewarner |
| 20:24.28 | xorAxAx | fitting the time warner needs, running on all time warner devices |
| 20:24.28 | xorAxAx | i have never thought about this cooperate dimension |
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| 20:24.29 | thedaniel | gps tracking the time warner drones to make sure they are really on a sales trip and not on the beach |
| 20:25.21 | stefan_schmidt | manipulating the gps data send to time warner... :) |
| 20:26.03 | stefan_schmidt | ...No, I _must_ have done this job. It's on the computer. :) |
| 20:27.50 | bprice20 | noidd: when I worked as an installer for time warner we used palm devices to check in with the headend an dispatch |
| 20:27.58 | bprice20 | this could work for that as well |
| 20:28.21 | bprice20 | and the biggest problem we had was always terrible software |
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| 20:28.40 | bprice20 | well that and our ticket system: remedy which was terrible |
| 20:29.48 | bprice20 | I hated that software more than installs on 100 year old homes |
| 20:30.28 | koen|gprs | http://planet.openmoko.org/ now has a huge neo picture :) |
| 20:31.42 | stefan_schmidt | Ah, LaF0rge has fixed the weblog name entry. Nice. :) |
| 20:33.45 | LittleIdiot | if anyone opens it: please make high-resolution pictures! ;) |
| 20:37.22 | andreychek | So, has anyone put together a plan for how to intice folks to buy the current Neo, when a lot of features that interest them are in the second version coming out in Sept? Ie, a discount for trade-in or so? |
| 20:38.17 | so_solid_moo | the neo coming out in sep. is "the current neo" |
| 20:39.09 | andreychek | WEll, I got that from the announcement, where it says: |
| 20:39.11 | andreychek | "The 2nd generation OpenMoko device will also be introduced at this |
| 20:39.11 | andreychek | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.15 | andreychek | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.36 | andreychek | right after it it mentions Sept |
| 20:40.41 | mjr | well, apple has introduced the iphone |
| 20:40.51 | mjr | it'll be available in the US in the summer, maybe :] |
| 20:41.28 | SpeedEvil | And maybe not called the Iphone. |
| 20:41.47 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. That's an idea. Contact cisco, for permission to use the name Iphone :) |
| 20:41.47 | bhima | Did you hear that the Cisco iPhone has GPL violations in it? :) |
| 20:41.58 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 20:42.17 | so_solid_moo | andreychek: by "introduce", I think they mean "publish the first information about" |
| 20:42.22 | andreychek | so_solid_moo, doh |
| 20:42.23 | andreychek | ok |
| 20:42.27 | bhima | IMHO, Cisco doesn't care about the iPhone name; they just want to get something from Apple. |
| 20:42.30 | so_solid_moo | andreychek: not "make available for purchase", since that's when the neo 1973 goes on sale |
| 20:42.31 | andreychek | so_solid_moo, I guess I misunderstood that part |
| 20:42.38 | bhima | specifically, VoIP support. |
| 20:42.48 | LittleIdiot | i don't understand this admiration for apple's devices. they're overpriced and no better than any other device... |
| 20:42.58 | mjr | and anyway, I can't wait to get my hands on the Neo, regardless of the fact that it could be even spiffier ;) |
| 20:43.07 | SpeedEvil | The design can be quite clean. |
| 20:43.14 | mjr | LittleIdiot, image is everything, seems :] |
| 20:43.27 | SpeedEvil | But not worth the price, or the general lack of features. |
| 20:43.44 | bhima | "general lack of features"? *looks at a MacBook Pro* |
| 20:44.00 | SpeedEvil | In some cases at least. |
| 20:44.09 | stefan_schmidt | Heh, hacker camp at old military airport. Funny, isn't it? http://events.ccc.de/2007/01/24/chaos-communication-camp-2007/ |
| 20:44.13 | koen|gprs | dell was more expensive for the same features of my mbp and powerbook |
| 20:44.29 | SpeedEvil | Ipod is the main point I suppose. |
| 20:44.32 | bhima | Features are over-rated as inherently good. Usability is important. |
| 20:44.36 | LittleIdiot | by the way - wo'll be on the camp? i will ;) |
| 20:44.47 | bhima | I saw one MP3 player, 1" cubed. Had a tiny but bright display. |
| 20:44.55 | bhima | SHowed something like 8 characters of your current track. |
| 20:45.00 | bhima | and, the bit rate of the track. |
| 20:45.26 | koen|gprs | how many % of ordinary users care about bitrate |
| 20:45.29 | bhima | Just cause, you know, you need to know that when you're playing it. |
| 20:45.29 | koen|gprs | ? |
| 20:45.41 | SpeedEvil | I've been annoyed for a while that I simply ca't get OLED displays in onesies. |
| 20:45.47 | so_solid_moo | koen|gprs: they need to know how good the music they're listening to is! |
| 20:45.49 | bhima | Even sillier, when you paused it, it stopped showing you the bit rate. :) |
| 20:46.08 | SpeedEvil | Also, the e-ink people are spectacularly unhelpful in providing samples of e-ink imaging film. |
| 20:46.16 | mjr | perfectly logical; the bit rate of silence isn't that interesting ;] |
| 20:46.21 | bhima | My point with this example, though, is that it's not uncommon for people to say, "show the user _everything_!" |
| 20:46.58 | SpeedEvil | Customisability is the win. |
| 20:47.01 | bhima | SpeedEvil: I agree, _comletely_. |
| 20:47.18 | bhima | However, there are many devices which are not properly customizable. |
| 20:47.28 | b_lindeijer | Yeah like my mobile phone! |
| 20:47.31 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: oled of what size? |
| 20:47.32 | bhima | I do not (yet. :) have the $$$ to design all my own toys. |
| 20:47.40 | SpeedEvil | One area which I simply don't understand no MP3 player hitting is audio cues. |
| 20:47.49 | SpeedEvil | For when you can't see the display. |
| 20:47.58 | SpeedEvil | For example if the player is under your shirt. |
| 20:48.26 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: what size oled are you looking for? |
| 20:48.30 | bhima | So, until then, I have to select from what's on the market. and I think Apple tends to do very well in figuring these things out. |
| 20:48.31 | SpeedEvil | track back/forward sounds, speak the name of the track and album |
| 20:48.33 | mjr | SpeedEvil, I smell a rockbox suggestion? :] |
| 20:48.44 | SpeedEvil | Small - 10*50mm or so. |
| 20:48.55 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: sorry i mean in resolution? |
| 20:49.02 | SpeedEvil | I just mean in comparison. There are _lots_ of cheap spare LCDs popping up on ebay. |
| 20:49.07 | SpeedEvil | And no OLEDs. |
| 20:49.15 | SpeedEvil | Err - maybe 16*100? |
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| 20:49.36 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=712 |
| 20:50.19 | bhima | Any idea what sort of apps will be on the neo1973 at launch? |
| 20:50.57 | mjr | it will still be aimed at developers for a while, so probably not that much |
| 20:51.14 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: interesting. |
| 20:51.23 | mjr | basic phone, addressbook, e-mail/sms messaging app have been mentioned, and something about a media player |
| 20:51.26 | bhima | I'm wondering if I want one, or if I want to use my E70+770. |
| 20:51.45 | bhima | Do you know if the CPU will actually be operating all the time or not...? |
| 20:51.46 | SpeedEvil | Is there a hardware MP3 chip? Or is it software only |
| 20:51.50 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: did a couple of prototypes for "proof of concept" designs with those |
| 20:52.00 | SpeedEvil | Not seen that source, thanks. |
| 20:52.21 | greentux | hi stefan_schmidt |
| 20:52.22 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: you mean in the neo1973? |
| 20:52.32 | stefan_schmidt | SpeedEvil: Software only |
| 20:52.35 | stefan_schmidt | hi greentux |
| 20:53.06 | bhima | I think a port of OpenMoko to the 770 / N800 would be really interesting. |
| 20:53.08 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: yes |
| 20:53.09 | noidd | Does GNU anyone GNU know GNU what GNU the GNU hole GNU in GNU the GNU front GNU of GNU the GNU phone GNU is GNU for? (GNU) |
| 20:53.20 | bhima | You could control the phone via AT commands over bluetooth. |
| 20:53.28 | FirefighterBlu3 | i imagine it's for a tie strap |
| 20:53.47 | thedaniel | probably NON-FREE straps!!!! |
| 20:53.50 | noidd | Thats all I can think of too but that just seem silly |
| 20:53.55 | SpeedEvil | There are MP3 decoder chips out there that are presumably lots cheaper powerwise than doing it over the CPU. At least unless maybe you could throw out samples to a DAC and sleep for a second. |
| 20:53.57 | mjr | reminds me to ask that does anyone know where the buttons are? |
| 20:53.58 | noidd | GNUstrap[tm] |
| 20:54.09 | noidd | mjr: Top and right side about 2/3 the way up |
| 20:54.17 | mjr | ack |
| 20:54.34 | noidd | Top is power / standby, right is call related |
| 20:54.39 | SpeedEvil | Whare's the USB connector? |
| 20:54.40 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: the s3c2410 has a dedicated i2s controller so dumping the audio to a codec is easy |
| 20:55.03 | SpeedEvil | I haven't seen a DAC with a couple of hundred K of RAM. |
| 20:55.06 | noidd | that I don't know. I would guess the bottom but I do not know. |
| 20:55.07 | nonick01 | for what will serve the two buttons of the neo1973? |
| 20:55.26 | noidd | Power/Standby and CallRelatedFeature |
| 20:55.31 | SpeedEvil | Throwing stuff out to a MP3 decoder and going to sleep for a few sevonds work well. |
| 20:55.40 | SpeedEvil | would work well. |
| 20:56.54 | hrw | evening |
| 20:57.03 | stefan_schmidt | hi hrw |
| 20:57.26 | greentux | hi hrw |
| 20:57.30 | hrw | planet.openmoko will does not look good on neo1973 ;( |
| 20:57.33 | xkr47 | yo |
| 20:57.45 | nonick01 | why use MP3? it's patented and OGG files are more compressed? |
| 20:57.52 | SpeedEvil | Because there are hardware decoders. |
| 20:58.06 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: That's where rss reader for. :) |
| 20:58.07 | xkr47 | yeah.. it's easy to avoid getting hardware that can't play mp3.. if you want to do it |
| 20:58.18 | hrw | stefan_schmidt: I know, I know |
| 20:58.23 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 20:58.30 | xkr47 | sorry avoid getting hardware that can't play anything but mp3 |
| 20:58.31 | SpeedEvil | It means you can throw 512K of MP3 at an external decoder + RAM, then go to sleep till it's played out or the user hits a button. |
| 20:58.57 | hrw | stefan_schmidt: I wonder when left side will be more filled ;) |
| 20:59.13 | SpeedEvil | Big power savings over keeping the CPU active, and throwing a sample at a DAC every 20uS. |
| 20:59.28 | xkr47 | if you go for mp3 instead of ogg, why would you choose openmoko ?-D |
| 20:59.31 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: Should not take that long. I guess it will become fuller around 15.02 :) |
| 20:59.36 | bhima | DMA? |
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| 21:00.23 | SpeedEvil | DMA isn't the issue - it's the fact that modern processors standby power is a substantial fraction of their 'on' power. You want it actually off as much as you can. |
| 21:00.35 | xkr47 | that would probably make the ogg vs mp3 discussion obsolete |
| 21:00.39 | hrw | xkr47: TI OMAP2430 like in nokia n800? |
| 21:00.51 | xkr47 | yeah |
| 21:01.19 | slowcoder | SpeedEvil: Modern _desktop_ CPUs.... |
| 21:01.20 | xkr47 | is it a separate chip ? |
| 21:01.34 | hrw | xkr47: no - part of cpu |
| 21:01.39 | SpeedEvil | slowcoder: alas - many non-desktop CPUs even. |
| 21:02.06 | bhima | SpeedEvil: My 770 can operate for a week or so on its small battery, _always_ on. |
| 21:02.06 | hrw | xkr47: omap family is ARM CPU + TI DSP in one core |
| 21:02.06 | xkr47 | doh^2 |
| 21:02.06 | xkr47 | are the omap cpus good otherwise ? |
| 21:02.07 | SpeedEvil | Is it always on, or always apparently on. |
| 21:02.37 | slowcoder | SpeedEvil: Example: The TI3430 (1GHz Cortex ARM) uses 0.25W of power running _flat out_ and rendering HW-accelerated 3D graphics |
| 21:02.39 | SpeedEvil | If it turns on and off the processor and just wakes it up when stuff happens in a couple of milliseconds, just keeping RAM alive in between, it's hard to tell. |
| 21:02.42 | xkr47 | I heard the n800's display controller has some onboard ram but it's too little for anything but fullscreen 4-bit graphics so nobody uses it |
| 21:03.31 | bhima | SpeedEvil: the linux event loop is continuing to operate. It uses dyntick. |
| 21:03.45 | slowcoder | SpeedEvil: The backlight uses something around a factor 15 times more power for example |
| 21:03.56 | SpeedEvil | Anyway - back to reassembling my house. |
| 21:04.14 | slowcoder | SpeedEvil: The amplifier for headphones will most likely draw a lot more power than the CPU |
| 21:04.40 | SpeedEvil | Not really - that only needs 10mW or so at low volume. |
| 21:05.05 | slowcoder | Around 100mW at full blast I'm guessing |
| 21:05.18 | SpeedEvil | 100mW isn't much louder than 10mW though. |
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| 21:05.47 | slowcoder | And, since the Neo1973 has nothing that comes close to a 1GHz ARM Cortex, or HW accelerated 3D graphics though, so it will probably use a lot less power |
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| 21:25.43 | buz | slowcoder: not necessarily |
| 21:25.58 | buz | i think s3c2410 is even 0.18um |
| 21:30.29 | LittleIdiot | *sigh* the community mailing list has past the point of my personal signal to noise ratio... just unsubscribed. ;) |
| 21:32.53 | b_lindeijer | Announce list for the win. |
| 21:33.10 | buz | yeah i think i'll follow that lead |
| 21:33.23 | buz | the gnu zealots and people too lazy to google for 4min really runied it |
| 21:34.22 | buz | does maemo use X? |
| 21:34.28 | hrw | yes |
| 21:43.50 | buz | mhh they have opera on the n800 |
| 21:43.56 | buz | that might work 1:1 on neo |
| 21:44.48 | mjr | might or not |
| 21:44.50 | b_lindeijer | I smell non-free software! |
| 21:45.02 | mjr | but yeah, not very interesting to me for b_lindeijer's reason |
| 21:45.25 | buz | i rather have a non free browser than none at all |
| 21:45.27 | buz | or a really slow one |
| 21:45.39 | b_lindeijer | What about KHTML, isn't that fast too? |
| 21:45.54 | buz | khtml itself needs qt |
| 21:45.58 | buz | webkit does not |
| 21:46.08 | buz | but theres not really a working gtk port of webkit either i think |
| 21:46.54 | mjr | yeah I think it was kind of in progress |
| 21:47.35 | philippe | webkit only has an half assed gdk port atm... |
| 21:48.03 | philippe | and there is gtk-webcore. Derived from khtml also, but a bit buggy and lacking some features. |
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| 22:03.38 | mickeyl | xkr47: me too. I want an AD Shark |
| 22:05.00 | xkr47 | ?-) |
| 22:05.17 | hrw | Analog Devices Shark DSP |
| 22:05.21 | xkr47 | ah |
| 22:05.42 | hrw | which has shark on core die |
| 22:05.48 | hrw | :D |
| 22:05.58 | xkr47 | chewwy |
| 22:06.02 | mickeyl | philippe: are these two diverging branches or what do you think is the future on webkit / webcore? |
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| 22:06.20 | xkr47 | but nice nice, keep up the great work guys :) |
| 22:06.23 | mickeyl | talking about pro audio quality here |
| 22:06.30 | mickeyl | but that's just a wish |
| 22:06.34 | xkr47 | mickeyl, the keyboard would be quite small :) |
| 22:06.50 | hrw | mickeyl: add few arm cores and run timidity? |
| 22:06.51 | mickeyl | i guess there are a) no open docs and b) it's too expensive |
| 22:06.56 | xkr47 | or maybe you would have a bluetooth yamaha keyboard, lol :) |
| 22:07.26 | mickeyl | well, usb midi interfaces would do, but BT Midi would rock |
| 22:07.49 | bhima | BT might cause timing issues, I'm thinking. |
| 22:08.00 | mickeyl | even 2.0 EDR? |
| 22:08.21 | mickeyl | g'night xkr47 |
| 22:08.39 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.52 | xkr47 | yeah, I should add it to the sick javascript page also :) |
| 22:08.58 | hrw | 50 devels will be happier |
| 22:09.20 | hrw | xkr47: that JS does not work in konqueror |
| 22:09.38 | xkr47 | doh.. I should have a textual display also |
| 22:09.42 | philippe | mickeyl: I really hope the webkit gtk port happens. Gtk-webcore is not going very much forward. |
| 22:09.49 | xkr47 | but yeah.. firefox 1.5+ safari 1.3+ opera 9.0+ |
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| 22:10.06 | mickeyl | philippe: did you have a chance to look at alp's patches? |
| 22:10.06 | philippe | A few bugfixes to make it buildable again, and a User Agent fix. That's all |
| 22:10.41 | philippe | mickeyl: nope. Haven't heard of them. Unless you mean the gdk webkit stuff... from which I could not figure out how to use it, |
| 22:10.56 | mickeyl | yeah right, these ones |
| 22:12.31 | morricone | why is there no rss feed on http://planet.openmoko.org/ ? |
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| 22:12.50 | philippe | mickeyl: to be honest my C++ and GDK knowledge is rather minimal |
| 22:12.56 | sjoerd | morricone: http://planet.openmoko.org/rss20.xml |
| 22:13.02 | morricone | thx |
| 22:13.04 | sjoerd | No idea why it's not somewhere linked on the page |
| 22:13.31 | mickeyl | philippe: *nod* I might take a look in a couple of months, if no one beats me to it |
| 22:14.23 | philippe | mickeyl: would be great :-) |
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| 22:20.38 | slowcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.52 | slowcoder | Erhmm.. Yea.. :) |
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| 22:23.10 | mickeyl | slowcoder: hi. please keep discussion public. I'm hired by FIC to work on OpenMoko, yes. |
| 22:23.31 | dougt | has anyone had trouble building with OE on the linux-2.6.18.tar.bz2 download? |
| 22:23.51 | hrw | http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/bt-gamepad-en.shtml |
| 22:23.56 | hrw | dougt: what problem? |
| 22:24.00 | dougt | NOTE: package linux-libc-headers-2.6.18-r1: task do_unpack: failed |
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| 22:24.08 | dougt | the file looks bad |
| 22:24.14 | mickeyl | hrw: yeah! |
| 22:24.16 | dougt | perhaps it is corrupted? *Possible* reason follows. |
| 22:24.16 | mickeyl | that's a nice controller |
| 22:24.29 | hrw | dougt: then remove it from DL_DIR and refetch |
| 22:24.34 | hrw | mickeyl: have one? |
| 22:24.43 | xorAxAx | ~seen mickeyl |
| 22:24.47 | apt | mickeyl is currently on #oe #openmoko #openezx. Has said a total of 1035 messages. Is idling for 31s, last said: 'that's a nice controller'. |
| 22:24.48 | mickeyl | hrw: no, but it looks cool. but a bit expensive |
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| 22:24.50 | xorAxAx | ~senn LaF0rge |
| 22:25.00 | xorAxAx | ~seen LaF0rge |
| 22:25.20 | apt | laf0rge is currently on #openmoko. Has said a total of 34 messages. Is idling for 3h 49m 20s, last said: 'dougt: there is no public wiki before feb 11'. |
| 22:25.20 | mickeyl | ~seen LaF0rge |
| 22:25.23 | apt | laf0rge is currently on #openmoko. Has said a total of 34 messages. Is idling for 3h 49m 23s, last said: 'dougt: there is no public wiki before feb 11'. |
| 22:25.23 | rwhitby | morning |
| 22:25.23 | mickeyl | morning rwhitby |
| 22:25.32 | xorAxAx | ratio - 30 |
| 22:25.36 | xorAxAx | :-) |
| 22:25.41 | rwhitby | hey mickeyl |
| 22:26.27 | hrw | http://www.hackaday.com/2006/01/22/bluetooth-playstation-controller-for-axim-pda/ |
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| 22:41.29 | hrw | ~lart topposters |
| 22:41.46 | hrw | hi rob |
| 22:42.09 | hrw | did someone ordered something from ewayco.com? |
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| 22:47.44 | noidd | the list is making my eyes bleed |
| 22:47.47 | noidd | seen mickely |
| 22:47.50 | noidd | seen mickeyl |
| 22:47.51 | noidd | even |
| 22:48.46 | noidd | interesting site |
| 22:48.58 | noidd | hrw: have you ordered anything from them? |
| 22:49.21 | hrw | noidd: I'm thinking about TU-40 machine |
| 22:49.55 | hrw | noidd: need small machine for Bluetooth AccessPoint and printserver |
| 22:51.26 | noidd | 200Mhz 128Ram? |
| 22:51.27 | noidd | that one? |
| 22:51.30 | noidd | $99 ? |
| 22:51.47 | hrw | yes |
| 22:52.57 | noidd | I'm going to ask the obvious question - why not a slug? |
| 22:53.32 | noidd | the machine you're looking at looks nice btw, I just had to ask the question since you can proibably buy one of those off the shelf and not have to worry about quantities etc |
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| 22:54.14 | cbpage | that looks just like the nortec microclient jr |
| 22:54.23 | cbpage | probably the original version of that :0 |
| 22:54.25 | cbpage | :) |
| 22:55.00 | noidd | I'm still looking for the original version of picotux |
| 22:55.07 | noidd | I've seen it before buyt i can't find it anymore |
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| 22:57.35 | hrw | noidd: slug is other solution but it would be another 8m flash/32m ram device under my desk |
| 22:57.49 | noidd | gotcha |
| 22:57.56 | noidd | back in a sec - heading home |
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