| 00:00.01 | buz | Swiss wants nearly 180E |
| 00:00.28 | buz | or i might convince BA to give me 2 days in london... |
| 00:00.28 | Stephmw | buz: it's really only worth it if: a) you're going to meet people specifically, and b) you view it as a donation to FOSS ;) |
| 00:00.40 | z3cka | buz: when? |
| 00:00.42 | stefan_schmidt | buz: Good question. Will be my first time there. But there are many oe people I like to meet. Also Sean will be there. (And perhaps I have to give a talk myself) |
| 00:00.46 | buz | mhh know a few guys from belgium |
| 00:00.52 | buz | which i have never met |
| 00:00.59 | Stephmw | z3cka: http://www.fosdem.org/2007/ |
| 00:01.08 | z3cka | buz: thank you |
| 00:01.10 | Stephmw | 24th and 25th February |
| 00:01.24 | buz | thank for what? |
| 00:01.32 | mjr | apparently fosdem is just after Sean leaves Finland :] |
| 00:01.33 | Stephmw | you're getting my thanks :) |
| 00:01.35 | mjr | maybe there |
| 00:01.47 | Stephmw | mjr: interesting coincidence :) |
| 00:01.48 | stefan_schmidt | meeting people and listen andrew morton is the most interesting stuff. |
| 00:01.53 | z3cka | buz: oops i mean thanks Stephmw |
| 00:01.59 | Stephmw | z3cka: no worries |
| 00:02.30 | Stephmw | buz: I'll be going mostly for the Java stuff |
| 00:02.37 | Stephmw | buz: but will pop into various other bits |
| 00:03.21 | buz | i have worked for a guy in brussels in fall |
| 00:03.35 | buz | (without ever meeting him, might catch up ;) |
| 00:03.51 | buz | besides it's 3 days after my last exam this winter |
| 00:03.56 | buz | 3 days should be enough to get sober |
| 00:06.24 | z3cka | http://www.fosdem.org/2007/ = drupal site... nice |
| 00:07.18 | Stephmw | it'd be hillarious if they made it pretend to have .aspx extensions :) |
| 00:08.27 | benJIman | It's possible to do asp.net with only foss |
| 00:08.36 | benJIman | with mono + mod_mono + apache |
| 00:08.38 | buz | well i know a guy who made a site for a gates foundation project on linux and ezpublish |
| 00:11.29 | buz | stefan_schmidt: define affordable for hotels |
| 00:11.36 | buz | i see some that are 40E |
| 00:12.00 | buz | (until you try to book at that price, obviously) |
| 00:12.25 | stefan_schmidt | buz: I just found the youth hostels. Around 20 EUR. I'm a student. |
| 00:13.10 | buz | url? |
| 00:13.13 | stefan_schmidt | buz: Youth hostel, even with 8 person room is fine. Looks like I should get something around this price if I book the next week. |
| 00:13.28 | Stephmw | stefan_schmidt: CHAB only has an age limit iirc, don't think they care if you're a student |
| 00:13.37 | stefan_schmidt | buz: http://www.sleepwell.be/ |
| 00:13.49 | stefan_schmidt | Stephmw: CHAB? never heard |
| 00:14.24 | stefan_schmidt | buz: You can even use http://www.hihostels.com/ |
| 00:14.35 | Stephmw | hmmm, maybe they don't do it for fosdem anymore.. /me checks |
| 00:14.52 | Stephmw | stefan_schmidt: http://www.fosdem.org/2007/practical/accomodation |
| 00:15.11 | buz | sleepwell doesnt care for age |
| 00:15.27 | buz | if you're over 35 you should book private room they say |
| 00:16.04 | Stephmw | same age limit at CHAB, except you can't book private ;) so no booking |
| 00:16.28 | Stephmw | I've stayed at Novotel before as well |
| 00:16.32 | Stephmw | expensive. |
| 00:17.01 | xkr47 | mickey|bbl, regarding ironing out the gtk performance problems.. are you posting the updates upstream or are they kindof moko-specific ? |
| 00:18.13 | stefan_schmidt | OK, I should talk about this with my friends and book next week. |
| 00:18.38 | buz | after seeing prices in hongkong a few years back i'm not easily scared anymore |
| 00:20.09 | Stephmw | BTW, the GNU Classpath guys have a list of people who say they'll attend on their wiki - perhaps something similar for these channels? |
| 00:20.10 | koen | xkr47: doing some performance measurements for gtk and framebuffers speeds |
| 00:20.10 | buz | if we /had/ a wiki |
| 00:20.13 | koen | Stephmw: like http://www.openembedded.org/fosdem2007 ? |
| 00:20.23 | Stephmw | koen: any would do ;-) |
| 00:22.18 | Stephmw | g'night |
| 00:22.25 | koen | good night Stephmw |
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| 01:33.01 | Psi | is there any risks with the neo if the sales are not whats expected? |
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| 07:23.15 | Tv | | INTERNAL ERROR: architecture armv5te for pkg figment-locale-de is unsupported. |
| 07:23.19 | Tv | grumble grumble |
| 07:24.53 | Tv | uhh, why armv5te? |
| 07:24.54 | Tv | MACHINE = "qemux86" |
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| 07:38.10 | aloril | umm.. anybody else have trouble accessing www.openmoko.com ? |
| 07:41.09 | Tv | I can't load it |
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| 10:25.50 | xkr47 | gooood moooorning everyone! |
| 10:25.51 | xkr47 | :) |
| 10:29.40 | lonnb | good morning back :-) |
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| 11:06.06 | dagb | anyone working on fixing the m/l archive server? |
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| 11:19.03 | koen | dagb: http://lists.openmoko.org works fine over here |
| 11:19.40 | Sencer | koen: even after a force-refresh? |
| 11:19.59 | Sencer | koen: I get a 500 as well |
| 11:20.17 | koen | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/ |
| 11:20.35 | Sencer | koen: ok, that works. thanks. |
| 11:22.10 | Psi | i signed up to both mailing lists a week ago and got the automatic response, but haven't received any mail, is the mailing list not very active? |
| 11:30.31 | lonnb | I have the same problems ... but the with the link it works again :-) |
| 11:34.03 | dagb | koen: thanks. the links on the openmoko.com frontpage are broken. Maybe add a redirect on lists.openmoko.org while the openmoko.com site points into the void? |
| 11:34.22 | koen | dagb: you'd have to talk to LaF0rge about that |
| 11:34.22 | sannes | Psi: Looks to me that there has been lots of e-mail the last week .. |
| 11:34.48 | dagb | koen: I'll let him read the log.... |
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| 11:40.20 | xkr47 | or maybe -request |
| 11:40.32 | xkr47 | the mailman web interface doesn't work as you already declared :P |
| 11:40.46 | xkr47 | so.. does anybody remember how they subscribed :) |
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| 11:53.13 | yacc | xkr47: I subscribed via the web interface. |
| 11:55.36 | xkr47 | :P |
| 11:55.58 | xkr47 | I sent a "help" mail to community-request@lists.openmoko.org but no response yet |
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| 12:22.02 | LaF0rge | ? |
| 12:25.04 | LaF0rge | working again |
| 12:25.22 | Sencer | LaF0rge: yes, thanks. |
| 12:26.55 | xorAxAx | LaF0rge: is it possible to get the uncompressed audio data stream from the gsm module? |
| 12:27.04 | xorAxAx | to record small files instead of pcm-decompressed ones |
| 12:28.00 | xkr47 | thx! |
| 12:28.55 | LaF0rge | xor: the audio path is analog |
| 12:30.04 | mjr | a shame... but can one at least get an a/d recording of the conversation via the audio chip? |
| 12:32.03 | LaF0rge | yes |
| 12:35.24 | mickeyl | LaF0rge: can you handle Sean's hotel? I'm a under etreme time pressure atm. |
| 12:35.28 | mickeyl | morning, btw. |
| 12:35.33 | mickeyl | extreme, that is |
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| 12:40.41 | LaF0rge | mickeyl: did he send an email? |
| 12:40.45 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 12:41.21 | LaF0rge | ok, will do |
| 12:41.24 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 12:41.36 | mickeyl | i don't need to bring anything with me or do I? |
| 12:41.39 | mickeyl | (board-wise) |
| 12:41.47 | mickeyl | thanks xkr47 |
| 12:42.38 | mickeyl | going to move to a new appartement in april, have to work out a contract for a project, have to prepare for thesis defense |
| 12:42.39 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 12:42.45 | mickeyl | + openmoko |
| 12:42.48 | mickeyl | (of course) |
| 12:42.55 | xkr47 | :P |
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| 12:46.56 | xkr47 | wb |
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| 13:59.39 | greentux | the gsm module as no digital audio interface? or is it to complex to use it? |
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| 14:53.21 | Sencer | just received this via mail: http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=neo1973vsp900oh9.png |
| 15:04.49 | xkr47 | :O |
| 15:05.10 | xkr47 | what is p900 ?-) |
| 15:05.18 | so_solid_moo | ericssony |
| 15:05.24 | xkr47 | k |
| 15:05.43 | xkr47 | :) |
| 15:08.54 | xkr47 | thresh_ will be upgrading from http://www.telephonelines.net/collecters_photos/6200.jpg |
| 15:08.57 | xkr47 | ;) |
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| 15:28.23 | mikesh | my n-gage dies before few days, its time to buy neo :) |
| 15:32.22 | mitsuhiko | completely offtopic: is hula now dead? |
| 15:34.34 | xorAxAx | who is hula? |
| 15:34.58 | koen | mitsuhiko: I heard that they are going to move hula from novell to gna! or berlios |
| 15:35.12 | koen | xorAxAx: the novell email web thingy |
| 15:36.00 | mitsuhiko | xorAxAx: that ex novell thing |
| 15:36.01 | mitsuhiko | +y |
| 15:36.08 | so_solid_moo | mitsuhiko: if you want an answer to that, come to #hula on irc.gimp.net at 20h GMT |
| 15:36.11 | mitsuhiko | before the whore moved over to redmond |
| 15:36.12 | koen | it was on http://planet.hula-project.org/ yesterday |
| 15:36.31 | mitsuhiko | so_solid_moo: darn. i will be offline at that time |
| 15:36.34 | mitsuhiko | but i'll log it |
| 15:36.38 | so_solid_moo | mitsuhiko: basically, the project isn't dead, no |
| 15:36.49 | mitsuhiko | so_solid_moo: that's good news |
| 15:37.18 | mitsuhiko | the builds i tried looked pretty nice (aside from the admin panel) |
| 15:37.24 | so_solid_moo | in fact, w/o novell, we might actually do a release... |
| 15:37.33 | so_solid_moo | yeah, webadmin was taken out and shot. |
| 15:38.15 | mitsuhiko | hoooray |
| 15:43.12 | mitsuhiko | so_solid_moo: is hula-project.org down? |
| 15:43.31 | so_solid_moo | it wouldn't surprise me |
| 15:43.36 | so_solid_moo | it's been unreliable recently :( |
| 15:48.00 | mitsuhiko | so_solid_moo: yeah. looks like it's awfully slow |
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| 15:52.36 | quants | haha Cisco lost its iPhone trademark |
| 15:53.19 | quants | too funny |
| 15:53.33 | thresh_ | url? |
| 15:54.13 | thresh_ | nm, ./ |
| 15:54.20 | yacc | quants: What is funny about that? |
| 15:54.45 | quants | they made such a thing of it |
| 15:55.11 | yacc | quants: It would be funny if one could associate Apple with the "good" side, but they are clearly at least shady ;) |
| 15:55.18 | mitsuhiko | it's not really funny |
| 15:55.47 | quants | greed is always funny |
| 15:56.35 | mitsuhiko | i hate apple for being proud of their fucking patents |
| 15:59.21 | gamin | I thought it was some kind of PR scam in order to stay on the front-pages for some time - Cisco ./. Apple is always good for a headline |
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| 16:09.12 | buz | that p900 overlay is nifty |
| 16:09.31 | buz | pity the neo doesnt have 3" display |
| 16:21.23 | AciD3572 | hi guys, hope it's not offtopic, but i would like to ask you, how does it look with openmoko phone... |
| 16:21.35 | AciD3572 | I mean release date, ... |
| 16:21.45 | AciD3572 | any new information? any urls? |
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| 16:23.03 | Melkman | see topic |
| 16:24.55 | AciD3572 | that means, it will be available in february? |
| 16:25.33 | kaboofa | do you need to be a developer for early access? |
| 16:25.44 | AciD3572 | to speak about those sites in topic, I visited all of them, but there is not much information |
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| 19:00.18 | noidd | and thusly silence |
| 19:27.03 | buz | there isnt |
| 19:29.03 | noidd | roll on february |
| 19:29.23 | koen | http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/42-Cairo-performance-on-small-devices.html |
| 19:30.04 | thresh_ | oh, cairo. |
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| 19:32.32 | cying | i wonder if openmoko's screen can be hacked to multi touch |
| 19:33.01 | mjr | doubtful |
| 19:33.43 | cying | i wonder what the raw data input from the touch screen is |
| 19:33.43 | cying | is it a bitmap container pressure points |
| 19:33.43 | cying | or just a mouse |
| 19:38.37 | koen | it's a stream of x,y,pressure values |
| 19:38.49 | koen | the hardware isn't multitouch capable |
| 19:41.02 | cying | ahhh |
| 19:41.28 | cying | i wonder what it'd do if i pushed the screen in two places |
| 19:41.32 | cying | give me the average? |
| 19:42.31 | mjr | that's what I've found to be the usual case, but dunno about the Neo |
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| 22:20.00 | quants | decadent |
| 22:21.08 | quants | I can't believe all of the "OMG! It's bullshit." crap flowing about the iPhone |
| 22:25.41 | quants | since people can't modify the softs on Apple's new phone they should have called it "podphone" as in "podpeople" |
| 22:27.01 | xorAxAx | quants: running rockbox on the ipod is fine :) |
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| 22:27.53 | quants | xorAxAx: I think they went thataway >>>> |
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| 22:45.18 | greentux | hi koen |
| 22:45.37 | koen | hey greentux |
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| 22:48.04 | koen | LaF0rge: congrats |
| 22:48.05 | greentux | one beer for LaF0rge ... |
| 22:48.21 | greentux | LaF0rge: btw are you at fosdem or not, finally. |
| 22:48.25 | koen | LaF0rge: and I hope you'll find some time to have fun during the code sprint tomorrow |
| 22:48.38 | LaF0rge | greentux: no, will not be there, mainly because of time constraints |
| 22:49.23 | LaF0rge | koen: well, that will likely be higher-level problems. I'm currently working on getting everything to work with our 'up to 80 blocks bad, only the first block guaratneed good' nand flash |
| 22:49.49 | greentux | LaF0rge: ok, heard something about program jury trouble ... |
| 22:50.04 | koen | LaF0rge: first block is 64kB? |
| 22:50.26 | LaF0rge | koen: 16k |
| 22:50.30 | xorAxAx | jffs2 cant handle that? :) |
| 22:51.00 | koen | xorAxAx: the bootloader doesn't use jffs2 |
| 22:51.04 | LaF0rge | xor: jffs2 can. but u-boot not very well. e.g. it expects the environment to be in a compile-time-defined block of nand. |
| 22:51.22 | xorAxAx | hmm, and where does u-boot reside? |
| 22:51.28 | LaF0rge | xor: in NAND ;) |
| 22:51.34 | xorAxAx | ok :) |
| 22:51.41 | xorAxAx | no other spi flash? :) |
| 22:51.56 | LaF0rge | xor: no other flash. boot directly from nand. no nor, no spi. |
| 22:52.16 | xorAxAx | and what if the flash block with u-boot dies? :) |
| 22:52.23 | koen | no maskrom to boot from uart? |
| 22:52.23 | LaF0rge | xor: exactly! |
| 22:52.31 | LaF0rge | koen: no maskrom to boot from uart. |
| 22:52.36 | koen | my ep93xx board have that, pretty neat |
| 22:52.40 | LaF0rge | koen: i thought you know the s3c2410 ;) |
| 22:53.19 | koen | I tend to confuse all those arm920t cpus |
| 22:53.31 | xorAxAx | LaF0rge: now you know how they pull in sales |
| 22:54.39 | koen | LaF0rge: there's always jtag to push a few kB of asm to load nand into memory |
| 22:57.17 | koen | one shouldn't need to reboot the neo that often :) |
| 22:57.46 | koen | probably via the ECC |
| 22:59.32 | xorAxAx | hmm, how about reed-solomon interweaved with self-modifying code? :) |
| 23:01.05 | koen | Stephmw: wb |
| 23:01.15 | Stephmw | cheers :) |
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| 23:25.44 | xkr47 | http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196802785&subSection=All+Stories |
| 23:27.37 | xkr47 | seems like it might be that both openmoko and iphone are running samsung processors |
| 23:28.41 | Tv | SO WE CAN RUN OS X ON NEO!?!?!!!111one |
| 23:29.18 | xorAxAx | Tv: yes, on qemu |
| 23:30.17 | xkr47 | lol |
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| 23:57.17 | quants | I found a module in the source tree that has no .config line, but I need a .ko for? How do I install it? |
