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| 03:00.24 | timtimred | n800!!!! mmm! |
| 03:21.26 | aevin | no way. |
| 03:49.55 | drgalaxy | is there a faq page? I'm curious about the projected price |
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| 16:07.18 | aevin | drgalaxy: i think there won't be any faq until the wiki is up. and it'll be released when (or perhaps slightly before) v1 is shipped, i think. |
| 16:07.41 | Lumpio- | Hrm hrm. Is GPRS really the only proper mobile Internet connection the OpenMoko will have? |
| 16:08.08 | aevin | drgalaxy: so far, the best faq is to first search the mailing list, and if you don't find your answer there: post a question to the ML. |
| 16:08.55 | mjr | It's also the most important thing. Sure, wlan would be nice, but we're gonna have to wait for that a bit longer. |
| 16:09.21 | mjr | (_if_ bt is in, you can set up internet through it, but of course access points aren't as pervasive) |
| 16:09.25 | aevin | Lumpio-: I don't know what you mean by "proper", but it won't have UMTS or any other 3G. |
| 16:09.43 | mjr | yah, no 3g |
| 16:09.44 | Lumpio- | I mean "proper" as in faster than a 56k modem :P |
| 16:10.04 | aevin | Bluetooth is more power consuming than GPRS, or what? |
| 16:10.16 | Lumpio- | You wouldn't think it is... the range is way lower |
| 16:10.33 | mjr | bt is low-power |
| 16:10.41 | Stephmw | aevin: don't know about your neck of the woods, but 3G in the UK is unreliable as hell - even if you're in coverage |
| 16:11.01 | aevin | Stephmw: I'm no big 3G fan either. |
| 16:11.02 | Lumpio- | Wifi probably wouldn't help me either, gonna take a while until public APs become ubiquitous here in the middle of nowhere :P |
| 16:11.05 | mjr | that's why 3g cells fall back to gprs ;) |
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| 16:13.28 | buz | wifi would be good at school |
| 16:13.32 | buz | bluetooth not so much |
| 16:13.40 | Lumpio- | No. Just no. :( |
| 16:13.51 | buz | well wifi isnt entirely reliable at mine either |
| 16:14.01 | Lumpio- | I wish mine had wifi of any sort |
| 16:14.02 | buz | but there are enough spots where it would work to get a fix of email or rss |
| 16:14.19 | buz | if only the usb was powered... |
| 16:14.19 | Lumpio- | I haven't really scanned for APs but... judging by the competitiveness of their IT "staff", just no. |
| 16:15.23 | Lumpio- | I mean... booting a Linux LiveCD is a big no-no because "viruses will infect the school network" but plugging in USB sticks into their Windows machines isn't |
| 16:15.35 | buz | so? boot from usb stick ;) |
| 16:15.38 | Lumpio- | lol |
| 16:15.48 | buz | i would never touch school machines myself |
| 16:16.03 | Lumpio- | Hm, actually that might work, they just got new PCs (the old ones from the Win98 era probably can't boot from USB anyways) |
| 16:16.26 | Lumpio- | Ah well, it's not like I want to use them anyways. Phone is enough for IRC (although a keypad is slightly annoying to type with...) |
| 16:16.31 | buz | an openmoko phone with vga would be killer |
| 16:16.48 | Lumpio- | VGA as in? |
| 16:16.50 | Lumpio- | VGA out? |
| 16:16.55 | buz | as in hook up some lcd to it |
| 16:16.58 | Lumpio- | Yeah |
| 16:18.36 | buz | 3G i could care less about |
| 16:18.42 | buz | GPRS is overpriced and so is UMTS |
| 16:19.14 | Lumpio- | Saunalahti. |
| 16:19.19 | mjr | Lumpio-, yes, that :) |
| 16:19.22 | Lumpio- | :P |
| 16:19.37 | hrw | koen: too much gadgets appear... |
| 16:19.49 | Lumpio- | A tablet is a bit annoying to haul around |
| 16:19.52 | buz | the n800 suffers of the same thing as the n770: no phone, way to big |
| 16:20.01 | Lumpio- | Something like the OpenMoko would be just perfect for some Internet stuff on the go. |
| 16:20.09 | mjr | btw, I don't think I sent you this link about a potential openmoko devel meeting in Finland: http://mjr.iki.fi/openmoko/tapaaminen |
| 16:20.14 | Lumpio- | If it had unridiculous connectivity. |
| 16:20.22 | koen | hrw: if only money would appear so fast on my back account :) |
| 16:20.45 | buz | if i could get flatrate gprs for 10EUR i wouldnt care for wifi |
| 16:20.59 | Lumpio- | oo |
| 16:21.01 | Lumpio- | Developer meeting. |
| 16:21.05 | Lumpio- | I love mobile development |
| 16:21.12 | hrw | koen: ;) |
| 16:21.24 | mjr | Lumpio-, well, answer the question bit there via e-mail and maybe we'll get one |
| 16:22.13 | koen | grrr |
| 16:22.18 | hrw | buz: if I would get flat gprs for 10EUR.. my phone has now gprs configured in such way that it does not connect anyway - just to not generate costs |
| 16:22.22 | koen | and I need to buy books for the next term |
| 16:22.31 | buz | hrw: just like mine |
| 16:22.31 | koen | correction: 1 book |
| 16:22.41 | koen | €90..... |
| 16:22.44 | buz | and mine is frigging touchscreen smartphone at that |
| 16:22.54 | mjr | buz, wifi would still be nice, but I admit that the flat rate gprs does take the edge off :) |
| 16:22.56 | hrw | koen: what kind of book? |
| 16:23.15 | buz | for my uses 56k would be acceptable on the road |
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| 16:23.23 | koen | hrw: "Introduction to Random Signals and Noise" |
| 16:23.27 | hrw | hi LaF0rge |
| 16:23.31 | mjr | gprs gets the job done, after all, just not very fast |
| 16:23.34 | koen | LaF0rge: good morning! |
| 16:24.25 | hrw | I would ask about one thing but phone devs does not like that subject. |
| 16:24.42 | buz | there goes the v8 again |
| 16:24.46 | buz | SCNR |
| 16:24.47 | Stephmw | aye |
| 16:24.50 | Lumpio- | GPRS is enough for IRC and RSS and stuff |
| 16:24.52 | Lumpio- | Way enough |
| 16:24.58 | buz | exactly |
| 16:25.05 | buz | even considering that i have a somewhat perverted use of rss |
| 16:25.30 | Lumpio- | I don't really take advantage of RSS that much >_> |
| 16:25.38 | Lumpio- | I'm using a broken RSS reader I once wrote. Too lazy to change. |
| 16:25.43 | buz | i basically use it as update notifier |
| 16:25.51 | Lumpio- | It's funny to see phantom posts from weeks ago pop up once in a while though. |
| 16:26.47 | buz | i somehow dont get it, the first swiss mobile operator that would offer affordable gprs flat would make a killing |
| 16:27.08 | Lumpio- | I don't get why they don't want to offer flat rate GPRS anyways |
| 16:27.18 | Lumpio- | I think my operator is the only one that offers it |
| 16:27.21 | Lumpio- | All the others are like |
| 16:27.21 | buz | they are greedy bastards |
| 16:27.22 | Lumpio- | 5€/MB |
| 16:27.24 | Lumpio- | No thanks. |
| 16:27.40 | buz | ah well i could get 2GB for 30? |
| 16:27.47 | buz | but who in their right mind pays that |
| 16:27.55 | buz | 2G is too much for just irc |
| 16:28.01 | buz | and much too low for serious use |
| 16:28.19 | mjr | Lumpio-, DNA did start offering flat rate again behind saunalahti, to keep up presumably |
| 16:28.25 | Lumpio- | oo |
| 16:28.27 | Lumpio- | Again? |
| 16:28.36 | Lumpio- | They had a flat-rate plan some years ago but dropped it |
| 16:28.43 | mjr | they used to have flat 20 euro plans before |
| 16:28.43 | mjr | yeah |
| 16:29.02 | buz | i might pay 20? |
| 16:29.08 | buz | but it would have to be UMTS then |
| 16:29.28 | mjr | well, my plan does include umts as well at saunalahti, with speeds capped at 128k |
| 16:29.35 | mjr | if I had the hardware, of course... |
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| 16:29.44 | Lumpio- | Ah, I wish I had the hardware too >_> |
| 16:29.49 | buz | for 20E i would wnat fullspeed umts |
| 16:29.53 | buz | whatever that means, anyway |
| 16:30.24 | Lumpio- | You know, I'm using like a 3 year old N-Gage o_O |
| 16:30.35 | mjr | they do of course sell higher caps at higher prices, don't recall details since I only have gprs anyway |
| 16:30.42 | buz | my p900 recently had its third birthday |
| 16:30.48 | Lumpio- | There just isn't any phone out there that would justify the cost of upgrading. |
| 16:30.59 | Lumpio- | Nothing really revolutionary has come out. |
| 16:31.11 | Stephmw | buz: my p910 has come close to having its funeral a number of times |
| 16:31.15 | Lumpio- | Would be nice to have a camera and wifi (and a non-retarded API, ever tried Symbian C++?) |
| 16:31.21 | Stephmw | buz: the usability problems with the UI piss me off |
| 16:31.24 | Lumpio- | Speaking of which, I wonder what the APIs for OpenMoko will be like |
| 16:31.28 | buz | Stephmw: mine is surprisingly resilient to all damage |
| 16:31.37 | buz | but the touchscreen is starting to act up |
| 16:31.54 | buz | Lumpio-: GTK |
| 16:32.05 | Lumpio- | oo |
| 16:32.06 | buz | (which i consider to be retarded in its own way but....) |
| 16:32.15 | Lumpio- | OOP glued on top of C is a bit funny... |
| 16:32.20 | Stephmw | LaF0rge, mickey|squash: one thing that would be nice to bundle with the Neo is a screen protector membrane ;-) |
| 16:32.42 | buz | Stephmw: i agree |
| 16:32.51 | buz | my p900 screen looks prety much virgin below the membrane |
| 16:33.01 | buz | and i'm only on my 3rd membrane |
| 16:33.09 | mjr | yeah well, GTK is nice enough, I just rather program GTK programs in an OO language ;) |
| 16:34.00 | Lumpio- | :P |
| 16:34.08 | Lumpio- | I've given up with pure-C GTK programs too |
| 16:34.41 | buz | i think id use python if i start coding for the thing |
| 16:35.32 | Stephmw | buz: funny you should say that - I know of at least one .tw mobile phone manufacturer that uses python for their UE layer |
| 16:35.52 | buz | what toolkit |
| 16:36.12 | Stephmw | used to be an open source one, then they switched to an inhouse one |
| 16:36.16 | Stephmw | can't remember the name |
| 16:36.21 | buz | kinda weird |
| 16:36.31 | buz | pyqt is a neat thing |
| 16:36.32 | Stephmw | new one is called Prism iirc |
| 16:38.05 | mickey|squash | if we have enough resources (memory, flash), then at least Gtkmm and PyGtk should be options. My personal goal is to integrate Qt somehow... |
| 16:38.57 | buz | gtk-qt hehehehe |
| 16:39.24 | hrw | mickey|squash: pester more often about getting 1-2G of flash |
| 16:39.47 | buz | yes |
| 16:40.06 | buz | you can leave out the usb charger for all i care if we get 2G flash |
| 16:40.54 | Stephmw | lol |
| 16:40.55 | mickey|squash | doesn't look good for a lot of flash :/ |
| 16:41.02 | buz | duuh |
| 16:41.03 | mickey|squash | some problems with space |
| 16:41.05 | Stephmw | mickey|squash: XIP support? |
| 16:41.12 | buz | having more ram than flash is kind weird |
| 16:41.20 | koen | Stephmw: eeks! |
| 16:41.53 | koen | Stephmw: xip doesn't work with compressed jffs2, so you loose a lot of 'space' |
| 16:41.54 | Stephmw | koen: not everything needs to be fast - just needs to be fast enough |
| 16:42.03 | CM | Flash is cheap, wonder why they hold back on it. |
| 16:42.20 | mickey|squash | like i said, atm. size is the problem |
| 16:42.22 | mickey|squash | physical size |
| 16:42.29 | CM | Aha |
| 16:42.40 | mickey|squash | there's just no room left for larger NAND chips |
| 16:42.40 | buz | by my definition, flash is tiny ;) |
| 16:42.48 | buz | how about stacked nand |
| 16:42.53 | Stephmw | mickey|squash: how about no on-board flash (or minimal) and delegate to the sd card? |
| 16:43.07 | buz | that one is limited to 1G afaik |
| 16:43.27 | Stephmw | and yeah, that would also limit GPS usage |
| 16:43.35 | buz | yeah |
| 16:43.43 | buz | GPS around here regularly ship with 1-2G flash now |
| 16:44.21 | LaF0rge | mickey: the problem is that the S3C2410 can't deal with large-block flash chips. |
| 16:44.29 | mickey|squash | ~lart S3C2410 |
| 16:44.41 | LaF0rge | it's just too old |
| 16:44.54 | hrw | atleast it is not sa1100 ;D |
| 16:45.16 | buz | do we now if it can do vga @ 30fps now? |
| 16:45.23 | buz | some claimed it cant |
| 16:46.18 | koen | define 'vga @ 30fps' |
| 16:46.35 | buz | well ideally it would decode vga mpeg4 and display |
| 16:46.44 | buz | but someone claimed it cant even fill the FB fast enough |
| 16:46.44 | LaF0rge | buz: *rotfl* |
| 16:47.27 | hrw | koen: h264 640x480 30fps with AC7.1 audio decoding/transcoding to mp3 and sending to A2DP headphones |
| 16:47.39 | buz | exactly |
| 16:47.52 | buz | i've seen 300mhz geode decode vga mpeg4-simple |
| 16:47.57 | buz | just barely |
| 16:48.09 | hrw | buz: geode has FPU |
| 16:48.23 | koen | and a link to a framebuffer that isn't made of wet string |
| 16:48.23 | buz | point |
| 16:49.42 | buz | which i guess brings us back to your beloved i.mx31 |
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| 18:31.48 | koen | LaF0rge, mickey|squash: http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/openalchemy.tar.bz2 |
| 18:33.10 | hrw | koen: does their svn req ssl? or does they have trusted cert? |
| 18:33.40 | koen | yes, and it seems like they have a ca-cert |
| 18:33.54 | koen | hrw: https isn't the least of the problems |
| 18:34.01 | hrw | ca-cert is not trusted by default |
| 18:34.15 | koen | have a look at https://www.openalchemy.org/svn/openalchemy-core/alchemy/configure.in |
| 18:34.37 | koen | m4 makes my eyes bleed, but this just is too much |
| 18:36.13 | koen | I'll have to wait till glibc has been rebuilt to see if actually compiles |
| 18:37.48 | hrw | that configure.in looks nice |
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| 18:39.25 | hrw | only host part suxx |
| 18:40.17 | koen | hrw: it lacks all checks for libpng, jpeg, etc |
| 18:40.39 | koen | and pgettext and pimglib are 'forks' or gettext and imglib |
| 18:40.46 | buz | what IS openalchemy |
| 18:41.02 | koen | openalchemy.org |
| 18:43.08 | buz | that somehow looks like the very first winmobile SCNR |
| 18:44.02 | LaF0rge | koen: wow, great! |
| 18:44.26 | koen | LaF0rge: it's the groundwork, nothing tested yet |
| 18:44.35 | koen | LaF0rge: as I said, their autofoo doesn't check for the actual deps |
| 18:44.35 | LaF0rge | koen: ok, anyway, you should report it to openalchemy-general |
| 18:44.44 | LaF0rge | koen: I'm not surprised. |
| 18:44.44 | koen | will do once I get it compiling |
| 18:45.03 | LaF0rge | koen: just report all those things to openalchemy-general, and/or send patches to openalchemy-devel. They'll integrate them, don't worry |
| 18:45.42 | koen | trying to work up motivation to write those patches :) |
| 18:46.26 | LaF0rge | well, then don't do the patches. they will have somebody to fix it. |
| 18:46.55 | LaF0rge | always remember, this whole stuff was never meant to be released or even built outside picopeta, when it was written |
| 18:47.17 | koen | it shows |
| 18:47.46 | hrw | amida is a bit bulky.. |
| 18:48.04 | koen | I should try to build it for powerpc, just to weed out x86 and arm assumptions |
| 18:48.08 | LaF0rge | I still think it's worth it. The widget look+feel might seem ancient, but there are a lot of nice applications with it |
| 18:48.34 | koen | someone might port it to a more recent toolkit |
| 18:49.09 | LaF0rge | koen: they might even be willing to [financially or otherwise] support somebody doing it |
| 18:55.27 | yacc | Hmm, what is openalchemy? |
| 18:56.30 | koen | yacc: scroll up 15 minutes |
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| 19:36.47 | nasum | good morning |
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| 19:43.27 | goxboxlive | good evening :-) |
| 19:43.41 | nasum | :) |
| 19:44.50 | koen | IE4 |
| 19:45.20 | buz | sure, in a qemu-x86 instance running win95 |
| 19:45.30 | buz | or wine, for that matter |
| 19:45.58 | buz | maybe even have a 386 or so on a fpga |
| 19:46.12 | koen | and a turbo on the v8 |
| 19:46.24 | buz | compressor |
| 19:46.27 | buz | less of a lag |
| 19:47.27 | buz | what browser is maemo using anyway |
| 19:48.46 | koen | operaaaargh |
| 19:48.59 | buz | mhh there's a minimo hacked up for it |
| 19:49.38 | koen | megamo |
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| 20:21.46 | mjr | hmm, a curious point came into my mind. I happen to have an old externally powered usb1.1 dvb-t box. But the neo perhaps can't quite decode the stuff on the fly... |
| 20:22.58 | mjr | (not that it'd be insanely useful anyway, with the box requiring wall juice) |
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| 20:49.34 | yacc | koen: Hmmm, the Simputer seems like a Linux based PocketPC distributed only in India. Right? |
| 20:49.40 | koen | right |
| 20:51.31 | aevin | maxim's sim puter out in stores now! |
| 20:53.01 | goxboxlive | hrw: Do you read sent to your mail adress at openembedded? |
| 20:54.17 | goxboxlive | i guess you do |
| 21:00.11 | sgorilla80 | how much does simputer cost? |
| 21:09.17 | yacc | koen: And openalchemy is the UI of these? |
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| 21:12.43 | koen | yacc: the website is pretty clear on that |
| 21:13.32 | yacc | koen: yeah, but I wonder how this is related to the Neo? |
| 21:21.31 | thedaniel | yacc: i keep running into you |
| 21:21.35 | thedaniel | first at work, then on the python-tutor list |
| 21:21.39 | thedaniel | and now in this chat room |
| 21:22.07 | yacc | thedaniel: Even funnier, you don't even know how I look ;) |
| 21:23.11 | thedaniel | yacc: au contraire, i've seen the skiing photos! |
| 21:24.49 | yacc | thedaniel: Also waiting till the Neo is released? |
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| 21:29.21 | thedaniel | yacc: yes, i'm patiently waiting |
| 21:29.32 | thedaniel | sick of my HTC |
| 21:29.52 | thedaniel | hope the Neo inspires a lot of work from smart folks |
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| 21:31.17 | yacc | thedaniel: I'm not patiently waiting. Hmm, I think I didn't do my daily "whine-ritual" yet today. |
| 21:35.46 | yacc | thedaniel: that leaves the question, where did we cross paths on python tutor? |
| 21:38.06 | thedaniel | yacc: we didn't so much cross paths as i started noticing your postings |
| 21:38.27 | thedaniel | interestingly enough I read one of the emails and thought "wow this guy sounds just like yacc" and then i saw the From: field |
| 21:39.42 | nasum | haha |
| 21:40.01 | sannes | did I miss something (and the Neo1973) will be late or is yacc just whining? .. hm |
| 21:40.23 | sannes | what is it with 1973 anyways, does that mean it really is 34 years late? |
| 21:40.58 | thedaniel | sannes: just yacc with his daily ritual. i don't think there's any change in release info other than the "January 2007" on the website |
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| 22:21.42 | ducke | hey, are there any germans here? |
| 22:23.52 | ducke | i got some questions to the FIC Neo1973 |
| 22:24.08 | ducke | the first thing: how much will it cost? |
| 22:24.31 | ducke | will there be bluetooth support? |
| 22:24.45 | hrw | 350USD |
| 22:24.51 | hrw | who know.. |
| 22:24.51 | ducke | and when is the release date in europe? |
| 22:24.59 | hrw | January 2007 :D |
| 22:25.20 | ducke | yeah, thats now ^^ |
| 22:27.30 | ducke | can i use it without a "contract with vodaphone or someone else" (i dont know the english word ^^, sry) |
| 22:28.15 | CM | ducke: Once it's available, you should be able to just order the phone as it is |
| 22:28.47 | ducke | kk |
| 22:30.07 | ducke | does it use some kind of special linux-version or does it have its own OS |
| 22:30.08 | ducke | ? |
| 22:30.29 | CM | It will run openmoko |
| 22:30.39 | CM | check the topic of the channel :) |
| 22:30.43 | ducke | k ^^ |
| 22:31.07 | CM | Everything except the gsm-module is open on the phone |
| 22:32.07 | so_solid_moo | and the gps module |
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| 22:35.34 | IkeD | its january - no more information? |
| 22:35.44 | CM | Nothing more heard yet |
| 22:35.51 | IkeD | :( |
| 22:36.51 | Stephmw | IkeD: expect news on the 31st, 23:59:59.99 |
| 22:36.58 | IkeD | lol |
| 22:37.25 | IkeD | well, a few more days and they might reword their page to be 'late january' |
| 22:37.31 | IkeD | or.. '2008' |
| 22:37.40 | rwhitby | Stephmw: GMT-10 ;-) |
| 22:37.41 | IkeD | depending on how well their testing is going |
| 22:38.28 | Stephmw | rwhitby: of course! how silly of me - US timezones are what matter |
| 22:39.03 | rwhitby | Stephmw: no, GMT-10 is the latest you can still be on 31 jan. |
| 22:39.43 | CM | Is there no -11? |
| 22:41.00 | xorAxAx | CM: no, nothing is opensource, except the software (except the gps daemon) |
| 22:41.26 | xorAxAx | so the state of the gsm module is pretty irrelevant |
| 22:41.50 | CM | xorAxAx: True :) |
| 22:42.25 | Stephmw | rwhitby: where is that? Hawaii? |
| 22:42.34 | rwhitby | yep |
| 22:42.44 | Stephmw | still the US then :) |
| 22:42.56 | rwhitby | CM: the places that should be -11 are actually +13 |
| 22:43.44 | hrw | time change line? |
| 22:43.49 | IkeD | It's too bad that gsm != cdma |
| 22:43.54 | ducke | ehrm...is it right that this mobile phone uses the linux 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:44.15 | CM | Ah, ok. Just looked at www.worldtimezone.com, seems to be both + and - 12, so 25 zones.. Can that really be? |
| 22:44.24 | CM | ducke: Yes |
| 22:44.34 | rwhitby | (i.e. Chatham Island, which is GMT+13:45 at the moment) |
| 22:44.36 | hrw | ducke: only weird people use 2.4 now |
| 22:45.11 | ducke | cool ^^ i like that...have to get some money for this ^^ |
| 22:45.22 | ducke | hey, 2 years ago i was also using 2.4 ;) |
| 22:45.33 | xorAxAx | hrw: i am using 2.4 |
| 22:45.36 | xorAxAx | on my router |
| 22:45.40 | ducke | ^^ |
| 22:45.45 | hrw | ducke: imagine that some vendors still release 2.4 based devices |
| 22:45.58 | hrw | xorAxAx: vendor kernel with binary modules? |
| 22:46.07 | xorAxAx | hrw: nope, completly open source |
| 22:46.08 | xorAxAx | x86 |
| 22:46.12 | xorAxAx | 486 |
| 22:46.16 | xorAxAx | DX2 |
| 22:46.29 | hrw | xorAxAx: my router run 2.4.30 but this is because there is no source for some drivers |
| 22:46.41 | hrw | 486dx2... |
| 22:46.45 | hrw | nice old machine |
| 22:47.10 | hrw | few years ago I used 386sx+fpu 5mb ram 2xisa nics as bridge |
| 22:47.21 | IkeD | well I hope there is some news soon, gl all |
| 22:47.37 | xorAxAx | hrw: too slow for pppoe routing :) |
| 22:47.54 | xorAxAx | that one does 2 MBits pppoe routing in kernel |
| 22:48.27 | xorAxAx | (and its not my router anymore, here i only have mips stuff running :) |
| 22:48.36 | CM | I've had 2 disks dying on me in my router.. Sucks |
| 22:48.54 | hrw | my router has 8M for filesystem |
| 22:49.08 | xorAxAx | CM: ? |
| 22:49.14 | xorAxAx | CM: why does a router need a harddrive? |
| 22:49.23 | xorAxAx | that one is running from a floppy |
| 22:49.29 | CM | xorAxAx: Well, I had it as printerserver and file-server too.. |
| 22:49.30 | hrw | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 22:49.30 | hrw | /dev/root 7.1M 2.7M 4.4M 39% / |
| 22:49.35 | CM | So not just routing |
| 22:49.42 | CM | hrw: Hehe |
| 22:50.14 | hrw | speaking of disks.. |
| 22:50.30 | hrw | I would need to buy 200-300GB one in march/april |
| 22:51.16 | hrw | why those 750GB monsters are so expensive.. |
| 22:51.27 | greentux_alt | somebody knows if sean will be @fosdem? |
| 22:51.42 | greentux_alt | I read that http://mjr.iki.fi/openmoko/tapaaminen and that the days before fosdem ;) |
| 22:51.59 | hrw | greentux_alt: read ML? |
| 22:51.59 | CM | hrw: 1tb-disks comming this quarter from Hitatchi |
| 22:52.19 | greentux_alt | hrw: no |
| 22:52.42 | hrw | greentux_alt: ask there |
| 22:52.48 | hrw | CM: for 1000 eur? |
| 22:52.56 | CM | Probably something like that.. |
| 22:53.05 | greentux_alt | hrw: on communit yor announcement lists? |
| 22:53.32 | greentux_alt | that you lists you can find @openmoko.com |
| 22:53.34 | hrw | greentux_alt: nope - I misread some mail.. no info about fosdem |
| 22:53.41 | hrw | greentux_alt: ask on ML then |
| 22:53.58 | greentux_alt | there is a devel list, but i dont have the (hidden) link |
| 22:54.58 | hrw | neither do I |
| 22:55.52 | greentux_alt | mail sent... |
| 23:02.10 | sgorilla80 | they need harddrives with raid on them |
| 23:02.31 | sgorilla80 | like something the size of a hardrive, which is able to fail, but act in a degraded state |
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| 23:23.04 | ninHer | ....nice Hawaii |