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| 02:55.03 | *** topic/#openmoko is OpenMoko Developer Lounge | http://www.openmoko.com | http://lists.openmoko.org | ETA: January 2007 |
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| 03:42.16 | fusion | Hi everyone |
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| 10:41.46 | longshot | is it possible to preorder, like today/tommorrow? :p |
| 10:42.37 | hrw|work | no |
| 10:42.41 | longshot | say a little money had to be spend before end-of-year |
| 10:42.55 | longshot | k |
| 10:43.13 | koen | if you want to spend money, donate to the developers :) |
| 10:43.34 | longshot | cant, has to be for goods or product with receipt |
| 10:44.18 | longshot | delivery in feb or whenever out would be fine |
| 10:45.01 | longshot | well, hopefully some developers benefit somehow from phone sales ... |
| 10:47.24 | hrw|work | longshot: buy some developer time? |
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| 10:56.30 | greentux | hrw|work: morning, by the way, if there are some "goodies" you need for oe dev please let me now (perhaps somethinkfor devel/build server or so on) |
| 10:57.45 | hrw|work | greentux: better offer zecke build server for his autobuild tests |
| 10:58.02 | hrw|work | greentux: starting from Feb I will do fulltime OE for one company |
| 10:58.21 | greentux | hrw|work: ok and then you have no more time as "buildmaster"? |
| 10:58.29 | greentux | or release manager... sorry |
| 10:59.14 | hrw|work | greentux: I will do builds then too but does not yet know will I get access to some machiens or not. |
| 10:59.39 | hrw|work | greentux: and currently I have amd64/3500+ available for own usage in US |
| 11:00.25 | greentux | hrw|work: ok, understand. whats the main focus of your new job? which targets? |
| 11:01.32 | hrw|work | greentux: probably arm 'not-yet-released-to-public' |
| 11:01.41 | hrw|work | s/arm/arm base |
| 11:01.42 | hrw|work | d |
| 11:02.45 | greentux | ok will ask zecke in #oe |
| 11:03.08 | hrw|work | 21 12:02 < zecke> off to class |
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| 12:48.20 | marcb4242 | I just figured out that my (quite old) phone ericsson T39 doesn't drop the GPRS connection while answering a voice call. |
| 12:48.26 | marcb4242 | As I'm not familiar with the GSM stack: is this something to be expected from the neo1973 too? |
| 12:49.23 | buz | depends on the chip i believe |
| 12:49.46 | marcb4242 | does anybody have tested that with his phone? |
| 12:51.49 | marcb4242 | the gsm V.110 connections are rather unstable -not more than a few minutes- but gprs lasts for hours |
| 12:52.52 | marcb4242 | I wonder how others here go online mobile, how and what are the experiences in terms of connection stability? |
| 12:53.09 | koen | marcb4242: depends on the phone and the carrier |
| 12:53.12 | marcb4242 | how = gprs or csd/v.110 |
| 12:53.41 | koen | my siemens s55 kept gprs open, but no packets would flow |
| 12:53.41 | marcb4242 | koen: do you go online with your n770 plus phone? |
| 12:53.49 | koen | marcb4242: yes |
| 12:54.23 | marcb4242 | no packets would flow = connection effectively cut? |
| 12:54.49 | koen | sort of |
| 12:55.21 | marcb4242 | that happens to me with the csd/v.110. Which is worse as it is billed per minute |
| 12:55.45 | koen | no packets dropped, but a big latency |
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| 12:56.17 | marcb4242 | I have experienced that big latency too. Much higher than ping times of 800-900ms would let expect |
| 12:57.23 | marcb4242 | maybe -in the case of web traffic- due to transparent proxying by the operators? |
| 12:59.34 | koen | webtraffic? |
| 12:59.35 | koen | ssh :) |
| 12:59.56 | marcb4242 | unusably slow here |
| 13:00.17 | koen | ssh -C works wonders |
| 13:02.23 | marcb4242 | can one tell ssh to submit data on the command line line-wise instead of char by char? That used to work with telnet with the LINMODE option |
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| 13:07.24 | greentux | marcb4242: while recieving a phone call, gprs should beon status "waiting". |
| 13:07.36 | greentux | some tcp connections will die after timeouts |
| 13:08.40 | marcb4242 | greentux: waiting is good, as that would prevent the penalty for a new login into the operator (minimum charges per connection) |
| 13:09.20 | greentux | yes... right, but most operators have a charge by day or flatrate... |
| 13:09.35 | marcb4242 | where do you live? :-) |
| 13:10.00 | greentux | germany |
| 13:10.41 | greentux | with umts you can have the call and data same timre |
| 13:10.47 | marcb4242 | just saw that http://www.heise.de/mobil/artikel/82232/3 on heise. does not look like flatrate or sharge by day... |
| 13:10.59 | marcb4242 | s/sharge/charge/ |
| 13:11.14 | greentux | i have Web'n'Walk Medium |
| 13:11.38 | greentux | its "near" flatrate... (with gprs speed) |
| 13:11.53 | greentux | or try base or o2, they have real flats |
| 13:12.09 | marcb4242 | okay, but that still means you have to take it in chunks of 100KB |
| 13:12.34 | marcb4242 | so it is a big advantage if the connection doesn't get dropped |
| 13:12.49 | greentux | yes AFTER the included traffic |
| 13:14.28 | marcb4242 | that's different here (france). even the included volume has to be taken in minimum chunks. so every effort to keep the connection is worth money. |
| 13:14.52 | greentux | mmh ok. |
| 13:15.50 | marcb4242 | except that my providers software currently doesn't charge me at all for my gprs traffic. must be a bug :-) |
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| 13:26.27 | buz | mine wants 30? for 2GB a month |
| 13:26.52 | buz | i'd pay 10? for 500MB |
| 13:34.38 | hrw|work | 7.5 eur for 50MB |
| 13:36.40 | greentux | 25 flat in germany... |
| 13:39.30 | buz | flat as in FLAT or as in as long you stay under XGB? |
| 13:39.49 | buz | if it really was UMTS flat, i might drop cable altogether |
| 13:40.14 | greentux | flat is flat (called BASE in germany) |
| 13:40.21 | greentux | add. 25 € is flat phone |
| 13:48.41 | marcb4242 | I get here for 6EUR 10MB or for 70EUR 5000MB. Nothing in between. |
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| 14:51.53 | seemant | good ${time_of_day} everyone |
| 14:51.59 | hrw|work | ~ugt |
| 14:52.01 | apt | ugt is, like, Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 14:52.02 | seemant | is there a faq of some sort for this thing? |
| 14:52.03 | hrw|work | morning seemant |
| 14:52.24 | seemant | specifically, when is this neo1973 thing available for retail? |
| 14:52.40 | seemant | and when is the bluetooth/wifi version available? that's the one I really want |
| 14:53.19 | koen | seemant: see topic |
| 14:53.40 | stefan_schmidt | seemant: No date for other the the first version. |
| 14:53.49 | stefan_schmidt | s/the/then/ |
| 14:53.53 | seemant | koen: the list thing? |
| 14:54.03 | koen | no, the complete topic |
| 14:54.17 | seemant | ah, I missed the ETA bit |
| 14:54.18 | seemant | thanks |
| 14:54.34 | seemant | saw the url and the lists thing |
| 14:55.16 | seemant | lemme ask this -- does it sync well with evo? |
| 14:56.26 | stefan_schmidt | seemant: What'S evo? |
| 14:56.43 | koen | I guess eva's brother |
| 14:57.33 | seemant | sorry, evolution |
| 14:57.37 | stefan_schmidt | koen: You read to much in the bible. ;) |
| 14:57.43 | seemant | the mail client thingy thing in gnome |
| 14:58.01 | stefan_schmidt | seemant: It uses the eveolution data server for contact storage. So it should. :) |
| 14:58.08 | seemant | stefan_schmidt: sweeet |
| 14:58.15 | seemant | are they taking pre-orders yet? |
| 14:58.19 | stefan_schmidt | no |
| 15:00.10 | seemant | too bad |
| 15:00.18 | seemant | it's rather exciting |
| 15:00.31 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 15:01.42 | *** topic/#openmoko by koen -> OpenMoko Developer Lounge | http://www.openmoko.com | http://lists.openmoko.org | ETA: January 2007, no preorders |
| 15:01.42 | *** topic/#openmoko by ChanServ -> OpenMoko Developer Lounge | http://www.openmoko.com | http://lists.openmoko.org | ETA: January 2007 |
| 15:01.48 | koen | stupid chanserv |
| 15:02.11 | stefan_schmidt | tell him who is the boss |
| 15:03.18 | seemant | so let me ask you this -- is there or is there not going to be bluetooth on the first phones? |
| 15:03.31 | seemant | I'm a little unclear, though still reading the list archives |
| 15:03.42 | hrw|work | seemant: notdecided yet officially |
| 15:04.50 | stefan_schmidt | seemant: looks better for it as some weeks ago, but no official statement. I'm pretty sure they will announce this on the ml if it is decided. |
| 15:05.00 | koen | and openmoko.com |
| 15:05.09 | stefan_schmidt | of course |
| 15:06.32 | seemant | ok great |
| 15:06.37 | seemant | thanks for the info guys :) |
| 15:06.46 | seemant | I think I'll stay in here a while, if that's ok |
| 15:07.03 | stefan_schmidt | feel like home |
| 15:09.09 | seemant | thanks :) |
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| 15:59.32 | hrw|work | [g2]: hi |
| 15:59.45 | [g2] | hey hrw|work |
| 15:59.59 | hrw|work | [g2]: did you had a look at chroot? |
| 16:00.22 | [g2] | I think I dl'ed it but didn't get a chance to try it it yet :( |
| 16:00.56 | hrw|work | [g2]: ok, just wanted to know as I will be offline for most of rest of year |
| 16:01.17 | [g2] | ok when are you heading offline ? |
| 16:01.37 | hrw|work | today evening - have to pack and tomorrow 9h travel to parents |
| 16:02.10 | [g2] | ok |
| 16:02.13 | hrw|work | [g2]: I will maybe be able to get online during saturday - but for mail checking rather then irc |
| 16:02.24 | [g2] | nod. |
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| 17:24.13 | hrw|work | happy Xmas everybody |
| 17:25.52 | koen | hrw|work: enjoy your holidays |
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| 18:56.32 | seemant | hrw|gone|xmas: happy christmas |
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