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| 07:37.32 | buz_ | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6177996610.html |
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| 07:51.49 | LaF0rge | buz: thanks. unfortunately the neo1973 ony has transflash (like many other phones), so SDIO will not be of much help |
| 07:52.10 | LaF0rge | the mechanical connector is just not meant for miniSD or full-size-SD |
| 07:53.56 | buz_ | there's a over length microsd wlan card from spectec |
| 07:54.35 | LaF0rge | buz: which only works if the microSD socket is accessible from the edge of the device |
| 07:54.44 | LaF0rge | buz: also, looking at that code, it will be a long, long way until any of it is acceptable to mainline |
| 07:56.57 | buz_ | but that's still a shorter way to go than to write a stack without even having the spec ;) |
| 07:57.55 | buz_ | unless the code is really really bad of course |
| 08:02.33 | LaF0rge | buz: yes, it is a step in the right direction. but not really relevant to Neo1973 - maybe further down the road of OpenMoko: yes |
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| 08:06.50 | buz_ | maybe this helps getting minisd or sd itself into 2 |
| 08:06.52 | buz_ | v2 |
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| 08:11.05 | greentux_alt | sdio is interesting for so many toys :) I hope the have no legal issues left... |
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| 09:14.59 | niv_one_three | hi all |
| 09:15.02 | niv_one_three | I am new |
| 09:15.27 | niv_one_three | is there any news of when the FIC phone/pda will be out/ |
| 09:15.28 | niv_one_three | ? |
| 09:15.55 | rwhitby | see /topic |
| 09:16.37 | niv_one_three | rwhitby: 10x |
| 09:16.53 | niv_one_three | slash topic only points to the web site |
| 09:17.12 | so_solid_moo | it also says "ETA: January 2007" |
| 09:17.12 | niv_one_three | the web sitw shows general invitation for the conference |
| 09:17.20 | niv_one_three | oh |
| 09:17.21 | niv_one_three | ok |
| 09:17.37 | niv_one_three | so I need to wait to Janurary |
| 09:17.40 | niv_one_three | vr well |
| 09:17.47 | niv_one_three | hi hrw |
| 09:17.47 | hrw|work | morning |
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| 13:23.51 | aquo | hi |
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| 13:31.05 | koen | mickeyl: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2006-December/msg00073.html might interest you |
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| 13:32.32 | mickeyl | koen: *nod* i've seen that, it's very good timing, for OpenMoko we need exactly that. i'm really looking forward to seeing that happening and then refining the OpenMoko framework |
| 13:33.16 | koen | mickeyl: btw, what does 'patch --version' say on your workstation? |
| 13:33.43 | mickeyl | hold on |
| 13:33.45 | mickeyl | *booting workstation* |
| 13:33.52 | koen | heh |
| 13:34.05 | koen | I suspect OE needs 'patch-native' :( |
| 13:35.27 | mickeyl | 2.5.9 |
| 13:35.50 | koen | hmmm |
| 13:35.52 | koen | same here |
| 13:36.04 | koen | but no problems with patching gcc-* |
| 13:40.33 | mickeyl | odd. on all mandriva machines it doesn't work |
| 13:44.24 | mickeyl | when i have time, let me try generating the patch on my machine |
| 13:44.32 | mickeyl | then let's see whether it works on yours |
| 13:44.52 | koen | ok |
| 13:45.07 | koen | it also works in the angstrom chroot hrw made :) |
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| 13:48.24 | mickeyl | who's that Tim Janik btw.? |
| 13:48.40 | CM | mickeyl: http://blogs.gnome.org/view/timj/2006/12/20/0 |
| 13:48.43 | koen | the BEAST/BSE developer |
| 13:48.54 | koen | imendio gtk+ dude |
| 13:49.03 | hrw|work | mickeyl: 19M archive: http://www.openembedded.org/~hrw/arch.tar.bz2 - Angstrom i686 chroot |
| 13:49.08 | hrw|work | food |
| 13:49.10 | CM | He just blogged this, on gtk+ maintainer shortage |
| 13:49.29 | koen | CM: he also mailed it to the gtk list :) |
| 13:50.15 | CM | koen: Yes, reading that one now from the link in the post :) |
| 14:09.55 | koen | robtaylor: become maintainer, rip out cairo ;) |
| 14:20.10 | buz_ | mhh considering that i can now get 2gb sub sticks for about 15$ neo should really come with more flash ;) |
| 14:21.01 | hrw|work | 2gb flash in phone.. add good headphones and good audio player... |
| 14:21.08 | koen | with flash as /home |
| 14:21.43 | robtaylor | koen: meh, give it a month and gtk+cairo'll be faster than 2.6 ;) |
| 14:22.37 | buz_ | the day i can get 8gb flash for about 80$ i'll put my notebook on flash |
| 14:22.51 | buz_ | no more moving parts |
| 14:23.19 | CM | What about those 16 and 32gb flash laptops? Besides being expensive they seem really nice |
| 14:23.21 | mjr | yah the default neo memory is a bit low but at least there's the microsd |
| 14:24.37 | buz_ | well trouble is the FS |
| 14:24.37 | koen | robtaylor: I hope that'll be the case for ARM |
| 14:24.45 | buz_ | there's really no useful flash fs for linux |
| 14:25.06 | hrw|work | jffs2 is hm.. quite working |
| 14:25.39 | robtaylor | koen: well, that's what everyone's testing on, so i'd expect so |
| 14:26.45 | niv_one_three | koen: I am pinging you at #oe :-) |
| 14:29.18 | buz_ | ok maybe JFFS2 is ok |
| 14:29.19 | mickeyl | feel free to pester for more flash via the mailing list |
| 14:29.30 | buz_ | but not exactly what I'd want to use for the 150K files in my home |
| 14:29.33 | mickeyl | btw., what's the ETA for gtk+ 2.12 ? |
| 14:30.04 | buz_ | especially because of "All nodes must still be scanned at mount time. This is slow and is becoming an increasingly serious problem as flash devices scale upward into the gigabyte range." |
| 14:30.11 | buz_ | not really an option for multi gb devices |
| 14:30.47 | koen | use logfs :) |
| 14:31.23 | buz_ | "The file system is still experimental and may eat up your disk/memory and/or lock up your machine" |
| 14:31.31 | hrw|work | mickeyl: sent ;D |
| 14:31.38 | mickeyl | excellent :) |
| 14:33.43 | hrw|work | slaves@fic.com.tw? |
| 14:34.05 | mickeyl | how do you know??? |
| 14:34.07 | mickeyl | :D |
| 14:34.50 | hrw|work | mickeyl: you did not know before who answer there? D: |
| 14:57.38 | CM | buz_: Wikipedia on jffs2: All nodes must still be scanned at mount time. This is slow and is becoming an increasingly serious problem as flash devices scale upward into the gigabyte range. |
| 14:57.49 | CM | Ouch for 32gb.. |
| 14:57.52 | buz_ | yeah |
| 14:58.01 | buz_ | my home has 150k files |
| 14:58.08 | buz_ | and it's not even much over 8G |
| 14:58.21 | buz_ | thats gonna take, well forever |
| 14:58.34 | CM | I have no clue how many files I have, but I think just the portage tree is 147k |
| 14:58.45 | koen | jffs2 has 32bit pointers |
| 14:58.50 | koen | so it stops at 4GB |
| 14:58.57 | CM | aha |
| 14:59.38 | xorAxAx | olpc will use jffs2 on 512 MB |
| 15:00.47 | mjr | hmh, I just noticed there are 2 gig microsds and I seem to recall that at least someone on the list sometime mentioned that up to 1 gb was possible to add via the microsd slot; is it just that 2 gb microsds are new or is there a gigabyte limit somehow on the neo? |
| 15:01.12 | buz_ | yeah i wonder about that as well |
| 15:01.19 | buz_ | nobody could give conclusive answer so far |
| 15:01.32 | koen | I think there is some controller issue with large cards |
| 15:01.49 | buz_ | 1G seems a weird limit tho |
| 15:01.54 | buz_ | i'd understand 2G |
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| 15:02.07 | tm_ | hi all |
| 15:02.13 | mjr | I'll live with a gig, but 2 would be nicer ;) |
| 15:02.14 | koen | hey tm_ |
| 15:02.43 | buz_ | with 2g one could reasonably have wikipedia mobile on his phone |
| 15:02.46 | tm_ | koen ; do you think its possible to preorder an openmoko ? |
| 15:02.58 | koen | tm_: no |
| 15:03.04 | jjazz | I am under the impression (perhaps mistaken) that olpc won't often fully shutdown, so the startup scan cost won't be paid often. |
| 15:03.38 | hrw|work | suspend support in linux-2.6 is ... and ... |
| 15:03.54 | koen | suspend for x86 is horrendous |
| 15:03.56 | jjazz | tm_: My understanding is they'll start taking pre-orders in January. |
| 15:04.01 | hrw|work | koen: x86-64 too |
| 15:04.09 | hrw|work | koen: but suspend2 worked for me |
| 15:04.11 | tm_ | rah , my boss is ok to buy one on the 2006 money ( there is probably a better word for that) |
| 15:04.14 | koen | jjazz: s/pre-orders/orders/ |
| 15:04.16 | buz_ | suspend to ram works perfectly on my toshiba notebook |
| 15:04.17 | jjazz | tm_: As in, you'll order it, but it won't ship for a couple weeks. |
| 15:04.28 | buz_ | not as much luck with suspend to disk, sadly |
| 15:04.51 | tm_ | no problem for the shipping |
| 15:05.09 | jjazz | tm_: It might be late Jan. |
| 15:05.24 | aquo | how much does the phone cost? |
| 15:05.33 | aquo | development-ready? |
| 15:05.33 | jjazz | aquo: $350 |
| 15:05.48 | tm_ | Im curently manage a devel team on linux qtopia handset, and we are very interrested in openmoko technology |
| 15:06.25 | jjazz | tm_: I imagine you are. |
| 15:06.29 | tm_ | rah , i will have to buy it on my own money |
| 15:06.43 | koen | openmoko is free as in beer as well |
| 15:06.51 | aquo | so you manage just code, not money? |
| 15:06.59 | koen | unlike some other phonestack |
| 15:07.02 | tm_ | aquo : yes |
| 15:07.07 | tm_ | :( |
| 15:14.14 | mickeyl | what kind of applications are you developing? |
| 15:22.38 | buz_ | tm_: care to give any specs about that handset? |
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| 15:25.02 | tm_ | buz_ : about the handset im currently working on ? |
| 15:25.06 | buz_ | yes |
| 15:25.38 | tm_ | yes of course |
| 15:25.56 | tm_ | its a Wistron build on OMAP 1710 |
| 15:26.11 | buz_ | successor of GN1? |
| 15:26.14 | buz_ | or GN1 itself? |
| 15:26.23 | tm_ | with a montavista distrib , and Qtopia 2.1.2 ( its old) |
| 15:26.42 | tm_ | 95bogomips , i cant use DSP (yet ?) |
| 15:26.53 | tm_ | GN1 ? |
| 15:26.59 | robtaylor | tm_: well, i guess you can use dspgateway |
| 15:27.02 | buz_ | i think thats the name of their GSM WIFI phone |
| 15:27.09 | buz_ | (which supposedly is pure crap) |
| 15:27.14 | robtaylor | tm_: but there's still a load of work to do on dsp side that isn't open |
| 15:27.33 | tm_ | robtaylor : i tryed but it still doesnt works |
| 15:27.55 | robtaylor | tm_: yeah, you need to add a lot on the dsp side |
| 15:28.01 | tm_ | buz_ wistron ? |
| 15:28.21 | buz_ | thought so anyway |
| 15:28.22 | robtaylor | tm_: problem is the only guys doing it have been nokia, and thats all closed |
| 15:28.36 | tm_ | wistron call it GW1 |
| 15:28.41 | buz_ | ah yeah |
| 15:28.42 | buz_ | exactly |
| 15:29.11 | tm_ | robtaylor dspgateway ? |
| 15:29.18 | robtaylor | tm_: yeah |
| 15:29.20 | buz_ | i believe that is about the only "for sale" qtopia handset |
| 15:29.35 | koen | robtaylor: it's dspgateway obsolete and dpsfs the bomb nowadays? |
| 15:29.43 | robtaylor | tm_: the dsp support side, that is |
| 15:29.55 | robtaylor | koen: dspfs is a new one to me, link? |
| 15:30.12 | tm_ | robtaylor : yeah , but iasked for an OMAP H3 board with DSP, maybe we are able to spend some time on it |
| 15:30.41 | robtaylor | tm_: have you got an rtos for the dsp side? |
| 15:31.00 | koen | robtaylor: http://www.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/lethal/dspfs-2.6.git/description |
| 15:31.20 | koen | and http://linux.omap.com/pipermail/linux-omap-open-source/2006-September/007921.html |
| 15:31.28 | tm_ | buz_ : no you can find one in trolltech the "greenphone" , but theres no wifi |
| 15:31.39 | buz_ | that's not really for sale |
| 15:32.09 | buz_ | they even TELL you not to use it as daily phone |
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| 15:32.28 | robtaylor | koen: ooh, Paul dumped it before he left, cool :) |
| 15:32.29 | CM | koen: Hehe, verbose description there in the kernel src |
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| 15:33.48 | tm_ | buz_ : ha ok , i didnt noticed thaht |
| 15:33.54 | robtaylor | koen: nng, kernel gitweb still f**kd |
| 15:34.11 | tm_ | robtaylor : no |
| 15:34.29 | robtaylor | tm_: h,, that'll be intersting then :) |
| 15:36.52 | robtaylor | yeah, some of that is cute.. |
| 15:37.17 | robtaylor | I hope the OMAP guys really do manage to get their documentation out in the open like they were promising.. |
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| 15:37.31 | tm_ | i hope too |
| 15:37.32 | koen | "not overnight" |
| 15:37.38 | robtaylor | heh |
| 15:38.11 | tm_ | we have developed all stuff step by step without documentation |
| 15:38.19 | robtaylor | ouch |
| 15:38.57 | robtaylor | tm_: omap dev costs too high? or did they just consider you too small? |
| 15:39.33 | tm_ | btw its was not really hard , our biggest job was to crosscompil mplayer , and make it light and fast enough to run |
| 15:39.48 | tm_ | robtaylor : expensive |
| 15:40.00 | koen | 'bitbake mplayer' |
| 15:40.11 | koen | there, now mplayer is cross-compiled |
| 15:40.30 | tm_ | when we started we didnt found it |
| 15:41.25 | robtaylor | tm_: there's a good few guys (some here) who offer development expertise on linux on embedded. i'd reccoment using one as it can save a lot of learning curve pain ;) |
| 15:41.49 | tm_ | koen what its exctly bitbake? |
| 15:42.15 | koen | tm_: http://www.openembedded.org/ |
| 15:44.00 | robtaylor | koen: thats an idea, how about a contractors page on OE, like on debian.org? |
| 15:44.33 | koen | robtaylor: the lists of 'blessed companies' is under consideration |
| 15:44.39 | robtaylor | koen: rock :) |
| 15:46.48 | [g2] | tm_ are you an OMAP guy ? |
| 15:46.58 | hrw|work | Basically OpenEmbedded project itself does not provide support other then on irc/www/mailinglist. |
| 15:47.55 | koen | robtaylor: does robtaylor ltd want to get blessed? |
| 15:47.58 | hrw|work | Paid support is provided by few companies which 'were/are/will be' 'blessed' for it. |
| 15:48.27 | robtaylor | koen: heh, I certainly wouldn't complain ;) still thinking of a name for it though |
| 15:48.47 | robtaylor | koen: my latest iteration is 'Polipo Ltd', what do you think? |
| 15:49.11 | tm_ | [g2] : what do mean by an OMAP guy; im not working for them , i use an OMAP , and to be clear and honnest , im only team manage , im not THE REAL developer |
| 15:49.19 | koen | robtaylor: ehm |
| 15:49.34 | koen | robtaylor: that makes me think of intestinal defects |
| 15:49.45 | koen | (polips and ventricles) |
| 15:49.50 | robtaylor | koen: hmm, maybe not so good then.. |
| 15:50.26 | koen | robtaylor: razorshark ultra 6000 |
| 15:50.38 | robtaylor | (its actually italian for octopus, but langauge morphology being what it is...) |
| 15:50.45 | tm_ | [g2] : btw , if i can help you .. |
| 15:50.49 | robtaylor | koen: that probable the best one so far =) |
| 15:51.26 | hrw|work | robtaylor: 'polipo ltd' is as good as 'PowerGen Italia' |
| 15:51.28 | [g2] | tm_ user/dev/familar with it. The OSD by Neuros is a media player using a TMS320DM320. The codec and some other drivers are binary from a BSP provider |
| 15:52.12 | [g2] | but the rest of the box is pretty much fully open |
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| 15:55.03 | [g2] | tm_ did you see the OMAP pathes submitted to l-a-k ? |
| 15:55.16 | [g2] | s/pathes/patches/ |
| 15:55.30 | robtaylor | hrw|work: |
| 15:55.45 | hrw|work | robtaylor: |
| 15:56.09 | robtaylor | oops |
| 15:59.58 | tm_ | apt_ / [g2] : l-a-k ? |
| 16:00.12 | [g2] | linux-arm-kernel |
| 16:00.20 | [g2] | the ARM kernel mainline |
| 16:00.26 | tm_ | ho |
| 16:00.30 | tm_ | no |
| 16:00.47 | [g2] | I think there was a snapshot of 2.6.18 |
| 16:00.55 | tm_ | but i cant build the kernel for the handset |
| 16:03.39 | robtaylor | tm_: openembedded will build for omap 1710 |
| 16:05.59 | robtaylor | koen: Phase Transition ltd? :) |
| 16:06.53 | tm_ | robtaylor : reading openembedded.org |
| 16:06.56 | tm_ | :) |
| 16:07.31 | robtaylor | tm_: cool :) |
| 16:08.30 | koen | robtaylor: better :) |
| 16:08.36 | robtaylor | koen: yay :) |
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| 16:13.45 | noidd | so, any leaked photos? :-) |
| 16:18.26 | hrw|work | noidd: your gf naked leaked |
| 16:18.35 | noidd | don't tell my wife :-P |
| 16:20.41 | hrw|work | cu |
| 16:20.48 | mickeyl | l8ater hrw |
| 16:21.01 | mickeyl | ok, new task today |
| 16:21.45 | koen | heh |
| 16:22.04 | koen | almost-raw-xlib-apps |
| 16:24.46 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 16:25.06 | mickeyl | mallum needs to explain to me what libmb really is for |
| 16:27.08 | robtaylor | i wonder if matchbox2 will ever happer? :) |
| 16:27.40 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 16:27.41 | mickeyl | probably |
| 16:27.50 | koen | http://svn.o-hand.com/view/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-window-manager-2/ |
| 16:28.15 | mickeyl | last change 3 weeks ago |
| 16:28.16 | mickeyl | looks good |
| 16:29.21 | robtaylor | i guess mallum is managaging to scape some time here and there.. |
| 16:29.29 | koen | "Support XFixesHide/ShowCursor if XFixes lib and recent |
| 16:29.29 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.31 | robtaylor | maybe we should help him out :) |
| 16:29.32 | koen | interesting |
| 16:31.42 | mickeyl | ya know, o-hand is one of the few companies i really could imagine working full time for |
| 16:34.15 | koen | is mickey-lauer-freelancers inc such a bad employer? |
| 16:34.22 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 16:34.28 | mickeyl | no, he's great, but I miss team-work |
| 16:34.43 | mickeyl | if all goes well... |
| 16:34.48 | robtaylor | mickeyl: i know the feeling |
| 16:35.01 | mickeyl | .... then i start a "real" company in 2008 with 3 or 4 guys |
| 16:35.30 | koen | so zecke and I should hurry up with our diploma? |
| 16:35.34 | robtaylor | mickeyl: i think it'd be hard to go back to being an employee after running your own business |
| 16:35.44 | xorAxAx | mickeyl: a corperation :) |
| 16:35.48 | mickeyl | koen: absolutely. I'm pestering him every now and then |
| 16:35.50 | mickeyl | it's just that it's _very_ hard to find people with the same skill set and the same level of motivation to get things done |
| 16:35.58 | mickeyl | xorAxAx: ya |
| 16:36.18 | mickeyl | koen: how long do you need? |
| 16:36.41 | mickeyl | (for the diploma) |
| 16:37.09 | koen | 2008 is a good guess |
| 16:37.15 | robtaylor | mickeyl: its not impossible.. |
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| 16:38.42 | mickeyl | robtaylor: impossible not, but frankly, in germany I didn't meet more than 4 guys yet whom I'd like to work with. |
| 16:39.03 | robtaylor | mickeyl: don't limit yourself to people in the same country.. |
| 16:39.20 | robtaylor | mickeyl: though it is nice to have some people around, isn't it? |
| 16:39.30 | mickeyl | dunno. being in the same region would be important for me |
| 16:39.46 | mickeyl | of course. |
| 16:39.52 | xorAxAx | mickeyl: ask a headhunter :) |
| 16:40.13 | xorAxAx | the mail exchanging country? |
| 16:40.16 | robtaylor | mickeyl: with collabora we had a couple of full-times in the office and subcontractors in various other countries |
| 16:40.22 | robtaylor | mickeyl: worked pretty well |
| 16:40.34 | mickeyl | robtaylor: yeah, a model like that could work. |
| 16:40.46 | mickeyl | or like o-hand, a couple of guys in the office, some teleworking |
| 16:41.07 | xorAxAx | mickeyl: canonical has mostly teleworking as well |
| 16:41.11 | robtaylor | mickeyl: yeah, exactly. regular get-togethers are important though |
| 16:42.04 | robtaylor | mickeyl: one thing i've learnt though, is be very careful who gets on the board.. |
| 16:42.38 | robtaylor | mickeyl: and always keep at least 51% share for yourself. |
| 16:43.31 | mickeyl | *nod* |
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| 17:08.01 | buz_ | two more things: good lawyer (in optimal case, he only gets to review contracts), good accounting/all around finance guy |
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| 17:17.50 | robtaylor | buz_: oh, for sure |
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| 17:23.23 | koen | and a private army |
| 17:33.02 | robtaylor | and a pony |
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| 18:17.29 | koen | heh |
| 18:17.33 | noidd | company pony |
| 18:17.59 | koen | "I know it's unpowered, but [..] provide enough power to [..]" |
| 18:18.01 | koen | priceless |
| 18:18.24 | noidd | a lot of my friends here (in Charlotte NC - the Buckle of the Bible Belt) work for aebn which is one of the fastest growing porn companies in the world. |
| 18:18.40 | noidd | they have work related functions at strip bars :-P |
| 18:19.33 | noidd | I just realised, all my friends who work there are female :-P That probably doesn't conform to your average stereotypical porn sysadmin / web design peep. |
| 18:19.43 | noidd | but yeah, a company pony |
| 18:20.10 | noidd | you know the problem with that tho would be shipping it to the various teleworkers. Add to that the possibility of quarantine. |
| 18:20.23 | noidd | yeah, you'd need all your workers in one country :-) |
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| 19:16.17 | buz_ | that sounds like one hell of a job hehehe |
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| 20:22.18 | lkcl | http://source.mvista.com/~dsingleton/sdio/welcome-to-SDIO-linux |
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| 21:05.56 | willr | when is the sdk going to be released? |
| 21:12.03 | buz | january |
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| 21:22.30 | willr | you'd think people would want an application base before it is released |
| 21:24.02 | buz | i believe its not at all finished so far |
| 21:24.23 | buz | and considering we havent seen any leaked shots of neo, i have my doubts if it will make january release |
| 21:24.38 | willr | yeah |
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| 21:48.31 | noidd | http://www.improvfu.com/band.mp3 |
| 21:49.10 | noidd | I feel guilty using it in a play soundtrack but it was the only thing I could find that was described as "Bad school band music" |
| 21:49.13 | noidd | ack, misstell |
| 21:49.16 | noidd | sorry |
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| 23:20.47 | BastetFurry | Hi! |