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| 14:43.26 | hrw|work | mickeyl: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/12/13/neo_models_micro_phone/ |
| 14:45.11 | hrw|work | just similiar naming? |
| 14:48.17 | mickeyl | d'oh |
| 14:48.20 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 14:49.52 | mickeyl | that case looks sexy |
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| 14:51.11 | cephdon | mickeyl: you sure your not looking at the model? hehe |
| 14:51.19 | mickeyl | hehehe |
| 14:51.31 | mickeyl | i don't like her haircut |
| 14:51.37 | mickeyl | although the color's good |
| 14:51.58 | cephdon | bah.. who cares about the haircut / style.. that can be changed anytime.. hehe |
| 14:52.04 | mickeyl | true |
| 14:52.39 | mickeyl | so, today no time for OpenMoko work... i need to clean up my office |
| 14:52.41 | mickeyl | it's a MESS |
| 14:52.48 | mickeyl | can't find anything |
| 14:52.51 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 14:52.59 | mickeyl | i need a larger office |
| 14:53.14 | mickeyl | pondering whether to rent one |
| 14:54.58 | nnpiggy | A larger office takes longer to clean... |
| 14:55.39 | mickeyl | true enough, but I feel I'm more productive with a clean office |
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| 15:27.29 | nnpiggy | Can anybody comment on the FCC certification process for the Neo? |
| 15:27.43 | hrw|work | good question |
| 15:28.25 | nnpiggy | In particular, what's the legal exposure for playing with prototypes? |
| 15:29.53 | nnpiggy | I guess I have a question for the list. |
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| 15:49.24 | mickeyl | i guess that's no problem, since our GSM module is precertified |
| 15:49.49 | nnpiggy | Ah, thanks, mickeyl. |
| 15:49.56 | nnpiggy | There's a part 15 cert need too, no? |
| 15:50.05 | mickeyl | no idea about details, sorry |
| 15:50.14 | mickeyl | <--- mainly software guy |
| 15:51.17 | nnpiggy | That's OK. I've sent the same note to the community list. |
| 15:52.05 | mickeyl | ok cool, Sean can comment in more detail |
| 15:52.29 | nnpiggy | Thanks. I'm really excited about the work you folks are doing. |
| 15:53.07 | nnpiggy | As an ex-Motorola employee I have had no end of frustration with closed cellular platforms. |
| 15:53.31 | nnpiggy | Even as an employee it was a pain to get technical specs and control information for our own phones... |
| 15:53.43 | xorAxAx | hehe |
| 15:53.50 | mickeyl | heh. crazy |
| 15:54.00 | mickeyl | sounds like HP |
| 15:54.12 | mickeyl | who had severe problems getting specs for their own *cough* ipaqs |
| 15:55.02 | nnpiggy | I built a load testing system for a mixed-technology infrastructure... |
| 15:55.31 | nnpiggy | We had GSM, CDMA, iDEN, POTS, and VoIP all on the same IP-based switching infrastructure. |
| 15:55.55 | nnpiggy | I had to generate traffic on the network with physical phones. It was an interesting exercise... |
| 15:56.00 | xorAxAx | how do you switch POTS? :) |
| 15:56.05 | mickeyl | interesting. so you're a hardware guy mainly? |
| 15:56.24 | xorAxAx | hmm, you had some indians that used pots phones to talk to each other? :) |
| 15:56.27 | nnpiggy | POTS is all PCM these days almost at the hand set... |
| 15:56.45 | nnpiggy | I'm mainly software, but I like getting my hands dirty :-). |
| 15:56.57 | mickeyl | heh. excellent. so you know about linux kernel programming? |
| 15:56.59 | nnpiggy | System software and infrastructure automation. |
| 15:57.04 | mickeyl | automation is good |
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| 15:57.12 | xorAxAx | nnpiggy: ISDN is pcm almost at the handset :) |
| 15:57.18 | nnpiggy | I was one of the 15 invited speakers at the first kernel summit. |
| 15:57.26 | mickeyl | wow. that's cool |
| 15:57.35 | xorAxAx | linux kernel? |
| 15:57.38 | nnpiggy | ISDN: technology of the future and always will be :-). |
| 15:57.54 | nnpiggy | xorAxAx is there ANOTHER kernel? :-) |
| 15:58.53 | xorAxAx | nnpiggy: yes, hail minix |
| 15:59.14 | nnpiggy | Yeah, not a bad Xinu clone :-)... |
| 15:59.32 | nnpiggy | Ever hear of Coherent? |
| 15:59.40 | xorAxAx | coherent unix! |
| 15:59.59 | xorAxAx | the only guys that wrote man pages |
| 16:00.17 | nnpiggy | I wrote the tertiary boot loader, some of the filesystem code, and a few drivers. |
| 16:00.34 | nnpiggy | Yeah, lepanto is an awsome writer. I miss him. |
| 16:00.41 | mickeyl | woot! good stuff |
| 16:00.47 | mickeyl | i've seen that a couple of years ago |
| 16:01.27 | nnpiggy | Fred Butzen. Wow, I'd forgotten his real name--had to look it up. |
| 16:02.22 | nnpiggy | So, mickeyl, do you have my postal address? :-) |
| 16:02.40 | mickeyl | hehe. what do you want me to send? :D |
| 16:04.30 | nnpiggy | A Neo naturally... |
| 16:04.54 | mickeyl | sure thing... however let's talk when we have the next run of prototypes |
| 16:05.06 | koen | mickeyl: have you read http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7621761066.html ? |
| 16:05.06 | koen | mickeyl: I would be interested in an account from sean, you and harald about using OE as a company |
| 16:05.12 | nnpiggy | Cool. Keep me in mind. |
| 16:05.18 | nnpiggy | What is OE? |
| 16:05.20 | mickeyl | nnpiggy: will do. |
| 16:05.56 | mickeyl | koen: no. looks good. let me read that |
| 16:05.57 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 16:06.04 | koen | nnpiggy: openembedded.org |
| 16:07.36 | nnpiggy | Hmm... That's a lot like DistBuilder which I built for TimeSys. Looks good... |
| 16:10.14 | nnpiggy | koen, I'm reading your note about GPL problems for small source distributors... |
| 16:11.44 | nnpiggy | This is a position which the FSF took on GPL compliance which they have since weakened a bit. |
| 16:11.47 | noidd | Rather cheekily, Neo claims the 808i has an FM radio, before admitting programming is actually picked up over pay-per-packet GPRS. |
| 16:11.50 | noidd | :-P |
| 16:11.51 | nnpiggy | later, mickeyl. |
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| 16:35.57 | jthomas | good morning world! |
| 16:36.28 | jthomas | does anyone know about the hardware specs on the FIC Neo1973 smartphone? |
| 16:36.51 | jthomas | specifically, will it have WiFi, or how does one apt-get a new application? |
| 16:36.58 | jthomas | Does it have an RJ45? |
| 16:37.14 | jthomas | can the USB port be used for an internet connection? |
| 16:37.25 | jthomas | can the USB be used for an external keybd? |
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| 16:46.46 | mickey|devel | specs: see openmoko.com |
| 16:46.48 | mickey|devel | wifi: no |
| 16:47.04 | mickey|devel | internet access via gprs |
| 16:47.08 | mickey|devel | no rj45 |
| 16:47.29 | mickey|devel | usb host port is unfortunately unpowered, so you need a battery powered hub to connect gadgets |
| 16:52.10 | jthomas | sorry, could you explain gprs? |
| 16:52.23 | jthomas | i've been to the page a billion times cause i am excited for this |
| 16:54.13 | jthomas | also is there removable storage? like the 64MB NAND, can that be upgraded? |
| 16:54.31 | koen | nand can't be upgraded |
| 16:54.39 | koen | you can put in a 1GB microsd card |
| 16:54.40 | jthomas | good to know |
| 16:55.12 | jthomas | oh i see it has a micro-SD slot |
| 16:55.19 | jthomas | cool |
| 16:56.09 | mickey|devel | the last word on NAND size isn't spoken either |
| 16:56.31 | jthomas | good to hear that! |
| 16:57.56 | jthomas | so if i want to do any sort of data transfer or ssh'ing, i'll have to pay by the MB due to GPRS? I have a small Linksys thingy that connects an Ethernet plug to a USB port, would that allow me to get data w/o GPRS charges? |
| 17:00.09 | jthomas | also, does the GPRS require that I have a phone contract with GPRS, or is it built-in to a regular celular service (TMobile USA) |
| 17:01.28 | hrw|work | mickey|devel: 1GB nand? |
| 17:01.35 | koen | if you use it without a contract it's $$$$$$$ |
| 17:01.54 | jthomas | meaning, VERY MUCH $ ??? |
| 17:02.12 | koen | like $20 per MB |
| 17:02.19 | jthomas | dizzamn |
| 17:02.20 | koen | maybe more if your telco is evil |
| 17:02.26 | jthomas | which isn't?? |
| 17:03.22 | jthomas | hmmm sounds like it could get rather expensive just to run the phone... |
| 17:04.07 | jthomas | can programs be apt-get'ed when the device is plugged into USB? or, does anyone know if an ethernet-into-usb would work? |
| 17:04.55 | hrw|work | cu |
| 17:05.03 | mickey|devel | cu hrw |
| 17:05.38 | mickey|devel | yes, ethernet-over-usb works already |
| 17:05.50 | jthomas | great thats huge |
| 17:06.11 | koen | mickey|devel: thank $deity that you didn't use xscales |
| 17:06.49 | jthomas | k youse seem busy, i'll let you be. thanks for the info and i can't wait for this. no one is getting xmas gifts this year so that i can afford one! lol they will, i kid. ciao! |
| 17:07.14 | mickey|devel | koen: why? xscale would've been much faster :/ |
| 17:07.21 | mickey|devel | s3c2410 is slooow |
| 17:07.28 | koen | mickey|devel: and completely broken udc |
| 17:07.34 | mickey|devel | if it was my decision i'd like to have a pxa270 in |
| 17:07.38 | mickey|devel | that bad? |
| 17:07.41 | koen | yes |
| 17:07.50 | koen | pxa255 was bad , but pxa270 is plain broken |
| 17:08.02 | mickey|devel | jthomas: you're welcome :) |
| 17:08.51 | koen | mickey|devel: keep the pxa250 in mind, things haven't been improved a lot since that mess |
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| 17:29.48 | nnpiggy | mickey|devel, what is the 8-channel ADC used for? |
| 17:42.33 | mickey|devel | no idea. might be a question for the list |
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| 17:53.30 | nnpiggy | More digging suggests that it is used for the touch screen. Oh well... |
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| 18:19.05 | _buz | 1GB nand pleeeeease |
| 18:19.28 | _buz | that might free up the microsd slot for something else |
| 18:19.59 | koen | and pray / doesn't get too big |
| 18:20.11 | koen | uboot still has a crappy jffs2 driver last I checked |
| 18:20.24 | koen | (jffs2 is crappy regardless) |
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| 18:21.48 | _buz | mhh / should not be a problem |
| 18:21.50 | _buz | but i could easily see /usr go over 64mb |
| 18:22.18 | _buz | considering that retail price for 1gb flash is below 20USD this would make a lot of sense |
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| 18:23.32 | koen | I hope for large NAND as well |
| 18:23.39 | koen | and a /home partition |
| 18:23.52 | _buz | well you're free to get yourself one i guess ;) |
| 18:23.55 | koen | (that, or a insanely good backup app) |
| 18:24.04 | _buz | dd *EG* |
| 18:24.14 | koen | I personally don't want to mess with flash partitioning |
| 18:24.21 | koen | no-one should IMO |
| 18:24.43 | _buz | is there a halfway usable writable flash FS for linux, anyway? |
| 18:24.51 | koen | logfs |
| 18:25.14 | _buz | been thinking of converting my notebook to flash only ;) |
| 18:36.52 | rox | buz: what's wrink with ext2 on flash? |
| 18:36.58 | rox | wrong |
| 18:37.08 | buz | doesnt do write leveling for all i know |
| 18:37.41 | rox | from the user point of wiev ... it seemed to server its purpose |
| 18:38.18 | koen | ext2 is designed for harddisks |
| 18:38.37 | koen | with superblocks at fixed positions |
| 18:38.47 | rox | i know ... but it did the job on flash for me |
| 18:38.56 | buz | for a while |
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| 18:39.19 | koen | large flash chips are usually MLC |
| 18:39.27 | koen | which only has 10k erase cycles |
| 18:39.36 | koen | instead of the usual 100k |
| 18:46.13 | cbpage | jffs2? |
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| 18:55.02 | dagb | Is the January 2007 ETA the date for commercial availability? |
| 18:55.21 | buz | we think so |
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| 21:51.36 | noidd | or just patent it :-D |
| 21:51.59 | noidd | mt :-) |
| 21:52.02 | hrw | ? |
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| 23:22.09 | xhrit | is this channel active? |
| 23:25.16 | mickey|sports | sometimes yes, sometimes no |
| 23:25.55 | xhrit | hmm... |
| 23:26.24 | mickeyl | mostly during european work hours :) |
| 23:26.51 | xhrit | what is the 3d like on the openmoko? |
| 23:27.23 | mickeyl | 3d? as in opengl? no way. it's an unaccellerated framebuffer attached to a relatively slow SoC |
| 23:27.47 | mickeyl | and now floating point -- as most arm SoCs |
| 23:27.51 | mickeyl | s/now/no/ |
| 23:28.55 | xhrit | so i should stick to the xgp for my mobile 3d linux fix? |
| 23:29.07 | xhrit | what about teh OS, is it going to be portable to other devices? |
| 23:29.07 | mickeyl | definitly yeah |
| 23:29.43 | mickeyl | OS is Linux + Gtk + custom widgets. The idea is to port the platform to other smartphones eventually |
| 23:29.56 | mickeyl | e.g. MOTO |
| 23:29.57 | xhrit | cool. |
| 23:30.00 | mickeyl | and HTC |
| 23:30.05 | xhrit | and xgp? |
| 23:30.37 | mickeyl | if someone is interested, sure. everything will be opened once the phone ships |
| 23:30.45 | xhrit | cool. |
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