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| 01:12.13 | marcion | Hello, does anyone know if the OpenMoko will have a Python interpreter available? |
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| 01:49.07 | g4lt-mordant | marcion, since iit'll prolly just use glibc, it shouldn't be hard to gin one up if it doesn't |
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| 02:09.28 | marcion | cool |
| 02:09.43 | marcion | it if can build gtk then python should not be too bad |
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| 04:45.50 | edwardocallaghan | Hi |
| 04:45.59 | edwardocallaghan | Any news on this phone? |
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| 10:37.05 | buz | am i having mailserver issues or wasnt there any traffic on the openmoko list for the last 12h or so? |
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| 17:40.34 | matsch | I would like an application for the Openmoko phone that could locate different phone uses via exchanging sms-messages containing positional information |
| 17:45.34 | mjr | yeah there was a mailing list entry about that (though suggested gprs, but whichever) |
| 17:45.40 | mjr | it would be handy |
| 17:50.42 | matsch | Any chance al layperson programmer like me could work this out? |
| 17:51.45 | timtimred | yes! |
| 18:25.52 | matsch | Well, I guess there is a lot of "lay" in this person. But how would I go about learning about the technical data necessary? |
| 18:28.13 | timtimred | right, so you 1, need to be able to get useful data from the GPS and 2 want to send it via sms |
| 18:29.27 | timtimred | so if i was you in the meantime i'd hook up a gps device and look at libraries for getting data/writing something yourself |
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| 18:38.58 | mjr | pretty hard to know how these things go in openmoko yet, but one supposes getting the coordinates in an arbitrary way isn't too hard... |
| 18:39.36 | mjr | for sms, I've gotten the impression that the GSM part is controllable via standard at commands, so gsmlib and associated tools could provide access, but not sure on that count |
| 18:39.46 | buz | i take it the agps daemon will give us coordinates in a usable way |
| 18:39.53 | mjr | yeah, somehow |
| 18:40.00 | buz | as for sms, i'd say openmoko libs will allow you to send em |
| 18:40.14 | mjr | oh yeah, probably their apis will cover that :] |
| 18:40.15 | mjr | of course |
| 18:40.48 | timtimred | shouldnt take someone more than a couple of days to write it in if it doesnt exist anyhoo (sms sending) |
| 18:40.59 | buz | oh it will exist |
| 18:41.09 | buz | few would consider a gsm phone without sms to be working |
| 18:41.26 | timtimred | aye ;) |
| 18:41.29 | mjr | anyway, I'm more interested in having a location server somewhere (perchance your own, so you don't give your location to third parties, well, except the agps operator anyway), where people could query stuff if they have access. GPRS is oftentimes cheaper than SMS. |
| 18:41.47 | buz | i'd say use jabber |
| 18:42.05 | buz | maybe write a bot |
| 18:43.44 | buz | i'd say we get jabber on openmoko soon |
| 18:44.16 | mjr | may be, and may be a workable choice, though does jabber let you spesify who are allowed to access your location data? |
| 18:44.29 | buz | a bot would surely allow that |
| 18:44.45 | mjr | ah, you mean a constantly on-line bot |
| 18:44.55 | buz | not sure if standard jabber includes location |
| 18:45.06 | buz | but they are usually quite receptive to such enhancements |
| 18:45.44 | mjr | I'm not sure about that... or well, an idle gprs connection shouldn't, I guess, consume a lot of power |
| 18:46.10 | buz | http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html |
| 18:46.18 | buz | http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0112.html |
| 18:46.31 | buz | they already have drafts for it it seems |
| 18:46.41 | buz | probably wont consume much power |
| 18:46.44 | buz | now as for cost... |
| 18:47.08 | mjr | well, I'm not concerned about cost, since I get flat-rate gprs 10 euros a month |
| 18:47.14 | buz | me want |
| 18:47.16 | mjr | but I can see the issue in some other places |
| 18:47.23 | buz | still |
| 18:47.29 | buz | it should usually be cheaper than sms |
| 18:47.36 | mjr | yeah, most likely |
| 18:48.14 | buz | mhh XEP-0080 seems like it would do what you want |
| 18:48.24 | buz | not the most economical way of doing it thoug |
| 18:51.34 | buz | http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html#format quite rich |
| 18:59.06 | buz | i wonder, is there any open source navigation software for which i can at least BUY european maps somewhere? |
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