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| 02:39.38 | thedaniel_ | Does anyone know if the neo1973 radio is Class A, B, C? |
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| 07:38.05 | CM | First call on sx1: http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/32262.html |
| 07:38.17 | CM | And OpenMoko mentioned :) |
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| 12:32.00 | [g2] | how are you guys currently sync'ing your address book on your mobile phones ? |
| 12:34.01 | timtimred | i use the force |
| 12:34.11 | buz | opensync |
| 12:34.14 | buz | but only very rarely |
| 12:34.18 | buz | its a pain |
| 12:34.19 | buz | and buggy |
| 12:34.30 | timtimred | iSync seems to work here :D |
| 12:34.44 | buz | and sometimes i use the crappy sony ericsson winwoes software to do a full backup |
| 12:34.47 | buz | just in case |
| 12:35.02 | timtimred | oh this isnt the mac channel... lol |
| 12:35.52 | buz | isync is probably the single best thing about osx |
| 12:36.25 | timtimred | cocoa is the best thing about mac os x! |
| 12:36.58 | timtimred | imho |
| 12:36.59 | timtimred | :) |
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| 12:56.58 | nnpiggy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X says: |
| 12:57.05 | nnpiggy | Apple now refers to the technology behind the OPENSTEP APIs as Cocoa. This heritage is visible in the Cocoa APIs, in which the class names mostly begin with "NS" for NEXTSTEP. |
| 13:02.01 | [g2] | timtimred do you build for Mac OS X ? |
| 13:14.07 | myren | whoa dude |
| 13:14.09 | myren | i didnt know that |
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| 13:21.26 | *** topic/#openmoko is OpenMoko Developer Lounge | http://www.openmoko.com | http://lists.openmoko.org | ETA: January 2007 |
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| 14:18.17 | timtimred | [g2]: yes coding for mac is 50% OF MY JOB :) |
| 14:18.19 | timtimred | oops caps |
| 14:18.34 | timtimred | well for the remaining uh, 14 days of this job anyhoo |
| 14:20.19 | mickeyl | so you know both Mac and Linux? |
| 14:20.30 | mickeyl | which toolkits / tools do you enjoy more? |
| 14:20.36 | mickeyl | e.g. Cocoa vs. Gtk+ / Qt ? |
| 14:20.39 | timtimred | yeah, and enough win32 to make it build on that |
| 14:21.21 | timtimred | havnt fiddled with gtk, but the cocoa environment i find much more productive than QT |
| 14:21.48 | timtimred | by orders of magnitude |
| 14:22.25 | mickeyl | wow |
| 14:22.42 | mickeyl | Qt is an order of a magnitude more productive than Gtk+ |
| 14:22.48 | mickeyl | which means Cocoa is really good then |
| 14:24.49 | buz | only if you dont need your app to run anywhere else than osx |
| 14:25.15 | timtimred | exactly. the app im working basicly has a wrapper for win32 and os x |
| 14:25.28 | buz | well then qt might be more productive |
| 14:25.53 | timtimred | not at this stage it wont ;) |
| 14:26.46 | timtimred | besides, using the wrapper i can use my sweet quartz skillz to visualise data! |
| 14:27.07 | timtimred | and the windows version can suffer without it! |
| 14:27.08 | timtimred | :D |
| 14:41.44 | noidd | I guess it's a matter of taste |
| 14:41.54 | noidd | I found Gtk much easier to work within than Qt |
| 14:49.11 | mickeyl | it's much more wordy which I don't like |
| 14:49.16 | mickeyl | personally |
| 14:49.38 | noidd | I guess what I like about it is that I create every object and then use methods to set up parenting |
| 14:49.53 | noidd | as opposed to creating objects by method calls of their parents |
| 14:49.56 | noidd | if that makes sense |
| 14:50.05 | noidd | that's also why I didn't like Tk |
| 14:50.28 | noidd | Gtk feels more symetric to me, basically. |
| 14:59.07 | robtaylor | mickeyl: you could always give vala a try ;) |
| 14:59.49 | robtaylor | mickeyl: or, i guess, gtkmm, but thats still wordier than Qt |
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| 15:08.48 | mickeyl | gtkmm sounds good. i will give that a try for my own OpenMoko apps |
| 15:09.03 | mickeyl | for the framework I'm forced to C though |
| 15:13.45 | robtaylor | mickeyl: yeah, best to use C for framework. i guess vala might work there though, but its a controversial choice |
| 15:13.58 | mickeyl | what is vala? |
| 15:14.16 | mickeyl | oh a language |
| 15:14.21 | robtaylor | its a c# ish language that compiles down to gobject code |
| 15:14.31 | mickeyl | interesting. i never heard about that |
| 15:18.00 | robtaylor | mickeyl: http://vala.paldo.org/ |
| 15:18.07 | mickeyl | ya, found it by now |
| 15:18.11 | mickeyl | the language looks strange to me |
| 15:18.20 | mickeyl | must be because I loathe Java |
| 15:18.21 | mickeyl | :) |
| 15:19.47 | mickeyl | i guess I'd rather wait for gtk+ 2.6.12 and make openmoko fit for the new ui builder architecture |
| 15:19.57 | mickeyl | less code is the best code |
| 15:19.58 | mickeyl | heh |
| 15:21.02 | robtaylor | yeah, one of these days i dreaom of having css style stylesheeting for gtk |
| 15:21.24 | mickeyl | *nod* gtk+ can learn a bit from qt in that regard |
| 16:24.48 | noidd | new ui builder arch? |
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| 16:34.52 | timtimred | have to admit i didnt do any gtk stuff tho |
| 16:34.56 | timtimred | yet |
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| 16:44.32 | noidd | its no biggie |
| 16:44.37 | noidd | its just another widget set |
| 16:44.49 | noidd | just a slightly different approach |
| 16:44.56 | buz | sometimes i think it's more of a religion |
| 16:47.27 | robtaylor | buz: well, once you start doing gobject code, it kinda gets hard to stop.. |
| 16:47.44 | robtaylor | not because its great or anything, but its just.. hard.. ;) |
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| 16:50.44 | buz | http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showpost.php?p=503777&postcount=169 i want THAT with linux |
| 16:52.49 | buz | that is essentially the road device i guess |
| 16:54.37 | noidd | buz: it is. |
| 16:55.03 | buz | but a from company that can ship in volume |
| 16:55.09 | buz | oh wait is has gps |
| 16:55.13 | buz | road doesnt have that |
| 16:56.44 | buz | then again this will likely cost more than a htc universal |
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| 17:20.21 | noidd | incidentally, my cellphone started dying yesterday |
| 17:20.31 | noidd | it won't retain a charge now for longer than 3 hours |
| 17:20.40 | noidd | and its not the battery cos I tested it in the missus phone |
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| 17:28.09 | buz | i'd get a 30? phone for the time being ;) |
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| 17:38.55 | noidd | thats prolly what i'm going to do |
| 17:38.58 | noidd | just frustrating |
| 17:39.20 | noidd | What is interesting is taht my cellphone has two forms on data transfer |
| 17:39.29 | noidd | and one is unlimited use, the other is charged |
| 17:39.44 | noidd | on my treo - any data transfer I do from my phone is free |
| 17:39.56 | noidd | however, if I use it as a modem, I get charged by byte |
| 17:40.04 | noidd | how on earth is that configured. |
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