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| 09:49.53 | CM | Someone (Sean?) should mail the author of this article and tell him about OpenMoko: http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/12/05/mobile_linux_ecosystem/print.html |
| 09:51.45 | koen | Is sean the only one with a emailer? |
| 09:53.05 | mickeyl | CM: just go ahead and tell him please |
| 09:53.11 | mickeyl | (the author, not Sean) |
| 09:53.16 | CM | Ok, np |
| 09:53.22 | mickeyl | thanks for noticing, btw. |
| 09:53.35 | CM | Just not sure what I should say or not, since I don't feel like I know all details |
| 09:54.31 | mickeyl | neither do we ;) |
| 09:54.41 | mickeyl | just point him to the OpenMoko initiative |
| 09:54.45 | CM | Hehe.. I'm writing a mail now |
| 09:54.53 | mickeyl | the press release and the presentation should give him a clue |
| 10:10.32 | mickeyl | work is overrated ;) |
| 10:10.45 | mickeyl | good mail btw., thanks |
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| 10:17.22 | CM | mickeyl: Thanks. I do my best to spread some OpenMoko awareness. I think it's a great initiative :) |
| 10:17.51 | mickeyl | thank you. it really is. I'm all excited and not just because I'm paid to work on it |
| 10:18.04 | mickeyl | I would even do the same unpaid if I had time ;) |
| 10:18.09 | mickeyl | but ssssh... don't tell FIC :D |
| 10:18.22 | CM | Hehe.. |
| 10:18.40 | CM | I just hope it will be some easy devkit availible later on |
| 10:18.55 | mickeyl | definetly. |
| 10:19.01 | mickeyl | i'm all ears to make it supersupereasy for devels |
| 10:19.14 | mickeyl | just a matter of time |
| 10:19.29 | CM | great! I'll be happy to test some beta stuff :) |
| 10:19.50 | CM | Any plans for some kind of emulator? |
| 10:19.59 | mickeyl | yep. two fold |
| 10:20.12 | mickeyl | one way is going the x86 route and using Xoo/Xeypher |
| 10:20.17 | mickeyl | other way is testing via qemuarm |
| 10:22.30 | CM | Sounds good, can't wait to get something to play with |
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| 10:27.09 | CM | Here's another guy that will get an OpenMoko-awareness mail: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/71 |
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| 10:27.55 | mickeyl | yeah |
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| 13:58.00 | LaF0rge | re |
| 13:58.26 | hrw|work | hi LaF0rge |
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| 15:22.05 | noidd | wb |
| 15:24.40 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 15:24.45 | mickeyl | went out to city with my mum |
| 15:24.52 | mickeyl | got a bag full of presents |
| 15:24.53 | mickeyl | :D |
| 15:24.53 | noidd | how was it? |
| 15:24.57 | noidd | haha, cool |
| 15:25.04 | noidd | See, my wife hates buying presents for me |
| 15:25.12 | mickeyl | hehe, sounds familiar to me :) |
| 15:25.19 | noidd | she says "You're really hard to buy for unless you have several thousand dollars" |
| 15:25.33 | mickeyl | she has a point there though hasn't she? :) |
| 15:25.37 | noidd | she can name 10 things I want but they're all devices |
| 15:25.38 | noidd | heh |
| 15:25.51 | noidd | Don't buy me software, 'k thx. |
| 15:26.11 | mickeyl | i got a new leather business bag with a cool laptop compartment, a sports bag and a new squash racket. |
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| 15:36.31 | noidd | what new toys you got? |
| 15:38.48 | koen | a fisheye lens and an efika |
| 15:50.30 | noidd | nice |
| 15:53.37 | hrw|work | none |
| 16:08.05 | robtaylor | mickeyl: i missed teh comment a while back, but yes, i do know DCE ;) |
| 16:08.17 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 16:08.25 | noidd | ewww |
| 16:08.56 | robtaylor | mickeyl: it still has the threading issues corba has |
| 16:08.56 | robtaylor | *ick* |
| 16:08.58 | noidd | I stopped using DCE when IBM removed it from AIX and required it to be an additional licence purchase |
| 16:09.01 | noidd | I've i've not missed it since :-P |
| 16:09.40 | noidd | is there even a DCE implementation for Linux? |
| 16:11.05 | noidd | http://linas.org/linux/corba.html ## Huh, interesting. |
| 16:11.19 | robtaylor | noidd: openDCE, iirc |
| 16:11.43 | robtaylor | awful unavigable webpage though |
| 16:11.56 | noidd | http://freedce.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:11.59 | noidd | too |
| 16:13.08 | robtaylor | anyhow, the mian thing that needs doing for dbus atm is to make the glib bindings usable and sane |
| 16:13.40 | robtaylor | i'm hoping to get some time later this month to have a look at doing some work on that |
| 16:13.42 | noidd | dbus is the defined ipc/rpc mechanism for oe? |
| 16:14.23 | robtaylor | i don;t think OE defines anything like that ;) |
| 16:14.42 | robtaylor | noidd: but it is getting to be the one for GPE, i guess |
| 16:15.12 | noidd | why not ORBit? |
| 16:15.20 | noidd | since that's the "standard" for gnome |
| 16:15.34 | robtaylor | noidd: no, GNOME is dropping bonobo |
| 16:15.43 | noidd | oh really, didn't know that. |
| 16:15.50 | robtaylor | and everythings moving to dbus, slowly but surely |
| 16:16.00 | noidd | I should do some reading. |
| 16:16.27 | robtaylor | the whole bonobo stack was just too damn thorny to use, so it just didn't get used much |
| 16:16.32 | noidd | "I am proud to announce the release of D-Bus 0.92, the \u201cHanging By A Thread\u201d release." ## Pun-tastic. |
| 16:16.47 | noidd | I've been out of the Gnome world for a long time. |
| 16:16.47 | robtaylor | usual corba problems ;) |
| 16:16.48 | robtaylor | heh |
| 16:17.18 | robtaylor | dbus is now at 1.01, btw |
| 16:17.37 | noidd | I'm browsing dbus.freedesktop.org |
| 16:17.43 | noidd | looks like I have some catching up to do. |
| 16:17.48 | robtaylor | cool :) |
| 16:18.21 | robtaylor | the java,c# and qt bindings are all nice |
| 16:18.34 | robtaylor | and the python ones, when 0.80 gets finished |
| 16:18.43 | koen | openmoko doesn't use any of those |
| 16:19.01 | robtaylor | koen: yeah. i hope itgets java at somepoint though :) |
| 16:19.17 | koen | java, schmava |
| 16:19.18 | noidd | perl bindings are for dbus v0.34 |
| 16:19.20 | robtaylor | esp as using Jazelle is stupidly easy to hack in :) |
| 16:19.22 | noidd | bwahaha |
| 16:19.40 | koen | robtaylor: arm920t lacks jazelle :) |
| 16:19.42 | robtaylor | noidd: no, the per bindings versio is 0.34, it works with current release |
| 16:19.49 | robtaylor | koen: aww, suxor |
| 16:20.20 | koen | I wonder if that sun dude comes through with bitbake recipes for java |
| 16:20.47 | robtaylor | that'd be nice |
| 16:21.32 | koen | not allowed to share, thanks to sun |
| 16:22.15 | robtaylor | ? |
| 16:22.35 | koen | that's a build of the sucky licensed cvm |
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| 21:38.14 | Daft | I just saw the website and presentation stuff. looks nice but.. why no wifi? |
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| 21:43.29 | stefan_schmidt | Daft: no wifi in the first generation. It's a question of vendors allowing to gpl their wifi driver... |
| 21:43.47 | buz | http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9270308590.html <- developping on the greenphone, and some more rambling about how it0s not ready for use |
| 21:44.04 | buz | "My suggestion is this: Run a contest. That's exactly what VMWare did when they released the VMWare player, and now they have several hundred "virtual appliances" on their web site. Give a nice cash prize for the best application, and a phone each to the top runners up." |
| 21:44.11 | buz | this should work for openmoko as well |
| 21:44.19 | buz | (then again, the phone is half the price of the greenphone) |
| 21:45.42 | buz | i like the idea of having a vmware image you can instantly develop in |
| 21:45.57 | stefan_schmidt | buz: Contest sounds good, but hacker discount sounds better. :) |
| 21:46.05 | buz | well, yes |
| 21:46.12 | buz | but how do you judge who is a hacker in advance? |
| 21:46.27 | stefan_schmidt | good question, don't know |
| 21:46.30 | thedaniel | buz: you ask them to show you what OSS projs they've worked on in the past |
| 21:46.45 | buz | oh i have worked on some |
| 21:46.55 | buz | still i wouldnot be able to hack much on gtk stuff |
| 21:47.31 | buz | and as they say for mutual funds: "past performance is not indicative of future performance" ;) |
| 21:47.32 | thedaniel | buz: that's the key - if someone has contributed to or maintained a project that dealt with tools / technologies similar or related to openmoko, you figure they can probably do something cool with openmoko |
| 21:48.01 | thedaniel | if they just have general programming skills, they are on the second tier for the hacker discount (in my imaginary world wher ei control the proj anyway) |
| 21:48.39 | buz | well one could give discounts for version n based on the past releases |
| 21:49.21 | stefan_schmidt | buz: They need much hacker on the first version to get it going. |
| 21:49.29 | buz | sure |
| 21:49.40 | buz | they'd have an easier time with wifi ;) |
| 21:49.50 | buz | but still interest |
| 21:49.53 | buz | is tremendous |
| 21:50.16 | buz | adn compared to say an ipod it's not even expensive |
| 21:50.55 | koen | I do get the feeling that a lot of people on the mailinglist want a dev board instead of a phone |
| 21:50.59 | buz | yes |
| 21:51.04 | buz | the FPGA crowd for sure |
| 21:51.06 | koen | fpga! wifi! usb3! agp! |
| 21:51.22 | koen | speaking of dev boards... |
| 21:51.24 | buz | well i do see the point wrt to wifi and usb2 |
| 21:51.28 | buz | less so for FPGA |
| 21:51.32 | koen | I should dismantle my a780 soon |
| 21:51.50 | buz | that rokr e6 looks neat |
| 21:52.00 | koen | and fpga would either be too small or draw too much power |
| 21:52.10 | buz | as does software radio |
| 21:52.17 | buz | i rather get a cam or wifi than fpga |
| 21:52.34 | buz | maybe there should be a pcmcia sled of some sort |
| 21:52.42 | buz | then people could stick all kinds of weird stuff onto it |
| 21:52.55 | koen | people that want software radio should get a USRP |
| 21:53.15 | buz | i think many of them simply think software is easy to change so it's gotta be neat |
| 21:53.54 | buz | but integrating a fpga in any flexible way will be nearly impossible |
| 21:54.05 | koen | "And, its touchscreen dial-pad suggests the E6 was designed for the Chinese market, where technical flash is valued. In contrast, U.S. and European customers value the convenience of hardware phone buttons." |
| 21:54.08 | buz | gimme wifi over dect any day |
| 21:54.15 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Dismantle A780 would be nice. We still need pictures of the PCB. :) |
| 21:54.18 | koen | gimme bluetooth over dect anyday |
| 21:54.39 | buz | i already use hardware voip |
| 21:54.49 | buz | if i could run it on my phone even better |
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| 21:55.25 | buz | as for dect, that's just obsolete technology leading to even more interference |
| 21:55.38 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Of course bt has hiogher prio, but I still like DECT in it. |
| 21:56.07 | stefan_schmidt | buz: DECT is not dead. Just working instead of VoIP. |
| 21:56.15 | buz | my voip works just fine |
| 21:56.33 | koen | there's still a scary amount of dect hw in use |
| 21:56.43 | buz | yeah i have a dect phone around here too |
| 21:56.50 | buz | but only because wifi phones suck and are way too expensive |
| 21:56.58 | stefan_schmidt | buz: Home network or network with 100+ APs and 1000+ pc's? |
| 21:57.09 | buz | home network |
| 21:57.21 | stefan_schmidt | buz: OK, that should work. |
| 21:57.23 | buz | but afaik, eth zurich has a voip setup with over 20K users |
| 21:57.30 | buz | every student gets a number |
| 21:57.53 | buz | spread over two campuses and a lot of off campus pkaces |
| 21:58.10 | stefan_schmidt | buz: Hmm, perhaps our NOC should contact them. :) |
| 21:58.14 | koen | stefan_schmidt: btw, I used eduroam last weekend |
| 21:58.28 | koen | stefan_schmidt: I could use the credentials from my uni |
| 21:58.50 | buz | http://www.polyphone.ethz.ch/ |
| 21:59.02 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Ah, nice. We still have no working setup for it. *sigh* |
| 21:59.05 | stefan_schmidt | buz: Thanks |
| 21:59.25 | koen | it was pretty neat, I didn't have to use the conference wifi :) |
| 21:59.29 | buz | currently 2000 users |
| 21:59.43 | buz | but the idea is to scale it to whatever number wants to use it |
| 21:59.43 | xorAxAx | fritzbox does voip for me |
| 21:59.50 | xorAxAx | cheap and easily available |
| 21:59.52 | buz | linksys PAP2 for me |
| 22:00.13 | buz | saves us 30? each month |
| 22:00.33 | buz | and cost 60? once ;) |
| 22:00.35 | xorAxAx | oh, chatty wife? :) |
| 22:00.53 | buz | actually, that's just for the baseline lines |
| 22:01.22 | xorAxAx | ah, here, you need to buy a phone line if you want internet |
| 22:01.22 | buz | swisscom fixnet charges 25 CHF per analog line |
| 22:01.34 | buz | here it's either that or cable |
| 22:01.47 | xorAxAx | cable is not widely available in .de |
| 22:01.56 | buz | yeah well DSL is cheap in .de |
| 22:02.07 | buz | our 5mbit cable is nearly 50? |
| 22:04.01 | xorAxAx | EUR? |
| 22:05.19 | buz | yes |
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