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| 10:53.56 | stefan_schmidt | morning all |
| 10:56.06 | koen | hey stefan_schmidt |
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| 12:47.32 | noidd | mornin... |
| 12:50.57 | noidd | irc via pick-keyboards suck |
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| 13:30.14 | XVampireX | :P |
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| 15:04.56 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 15:36.47 | [g2] | mickeyl koen can you say anything about the openmoko UI framework ? |
| 15:37.11 | koen | it's gtk based |
| 15:37.15 | koen | that's all I know |
| 15:37.28 | [g2] | koen cool. gtk 2.0 ? |
| 15:37.35 | koen | 2.6.x |
| 15:37.59 | [g2] | so something like pygtk would run assuming python was installed ? |
| 15:38.32 | hrw|work | yes |
| 15:39.23 | [g2] | ok sweet. [g2] is a GUI idiot |
| 15:39.36 | [g2] | heh... s/GUI// |
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| 16:27.04 | ryanfaerman | hello |
| 16:27.15 | stefan_schmidt | hi ryanfaerman |
| 16:27.41 | stefan_schmidt | hi goxboxlive |
| 16:27.58 | ryanfaerman | I literally, just read about openmoko as the platform for the Neo1973 |
| 16:28.12 | stefan_schmidt | goxboxlive: You're one of the HTC linux guys, right? |
| 16:28.23 | stefan_schmidt | goxboxlive: Plan to use openmoko on it? |
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| 16:32.56 | goxboxlive | stefan_schmidt, hi yes, i will try to make build it and make it available for others |
| 16:35.41 | stefan_schmidt | goxboxlive: Sounds good. Now we only need somebody for the greenphone port. :) |
| 16:37.57 | koen | you'd need to port it to kernel 2.6 first |
| 16:38.07 | koen | and most likely battle tons os binary only modules |
| 16:38.14 | koen | s/os/of/ |
| 16:42.28 | stefan_schmidt | koen: I heard somebody started work on the 2.6 port. The greenphone is at Q3/2007 for cellphone domination. :) |
| 16:42.59 | hrw|work | for greenphone domination rather |
| 16:43.47 | stefan_schmidt | hrw|work: I mean openmoko cellphones domination. |
| 16:44.48 | stefan_schmidt | Q1 neo1973, Q2 openezx and htc, Q3 greenphone, Q4 universe |
| 16:46.43 | koen | stefan_schmidt: I hope someone sorts out the irq troubles for openenz |
| 16:46.51 | koen | se/enz/ezx/ |
| 16:47.38 | stefan_schmidt | yes, when we have the handshake and mux_cli running porting should be one of the next steps. |
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| 16:48.39 | koen | aren't those a bit orthogonal? |
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| 16:51.25 | prpplague | koen: greetings |
| 16:51.32 | koen | hey prpplague |
| 16:51.35 | prpplague | koen: doesn't look like much has been done on that url |
| 16:51.36 | hrw|work | hi prpplague |
| 16:51.42 | prpplague | hrw|work: greetings |
| 16:51.49 | hrw|work | prpplague: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/projects/marvell8385/ |
| 16:51.53 | koen | prpplague: it was started 5 minutes before I posted that url :) |
| 16:51.59 | prpplague | koen: HA |
| 16:52.05 | stefan_schmidt | koen: It's OT for this channel, but I was not able to fix this until yet. Working on another area were I can fix a bug sounds good to me. |
| 16:52.30 | stefan_schmidt | koen: If somebody send me a patch for the new kernel port, I'll apply it. |
| 16:52.55 | ryanfaerman | are there any cellphones out there running openmoko or any form of linux, that don't cost 695 (green phone) |
| 16:52.58 | prpplague | koen / hrw|work so how are we going to treat the code? just generate patches against the sparklan code? or start working the code over? |
| 16:53.11 | koen | it's not my project :) |
| 16:53.21 | hrw|work | prpplague: schurig proposed writing pcmcia glue for olpc libertas driver |
| 16:53.43 | hrw|work | prpplague: libertas looks like GPL-ed marvell - wlan_* stuff is nearly same |
| 16:53.43 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Yes, you ask and I answer the same question again. :) |
| 16:54.39 | prpplague | hrw|work: so with some tweaks he feels like the libertas code could be morphed into supporting the 8385? |
| 16:55.18 | hrw|work | yes |
| 16:56.08 | koen | prpplague: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/?root=marvell8385 |
| 16:58.54 | prpplague | hrw|work: lovely |
| 16:59.16 | prpplague | hrw|work: while digging around in the makefiles, it looks as though the 8385 is available with an spi interface |
| 16:59.28 | hrw|work | prpplague: I'm comparing CF-8385 with USB-8388/GPL now |
| 17:00.29 | prpplague | hrw|work: lovely |
| 17:00.55 | prpplague | hrw|work: we (my employer) have been looking for a spi interfaced 802.11 chip |
| 17:02.06 | prpplague | hrw|work: well, i'll be happy to do some testing and work with you on it |
| 17:02.18 | hrw|work | join project |
| 17:02.31 | prpplague | hrw|work: december is going to be a little crazy for me, but jan i should be able to look at it full time |
| 17:02.37 | hrw|work | ok |
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| 17:03.15 | hrw|work | 01/30/06: Add kernel 2.6 support on GSPI8xxx/Bulverde |
| 17:03.29 | hrw|work | thats from usb-8388 version |
| 17:04.12 | hrw|work | 01/05/06: Add kernel 2.6.x support |
| 17:07.21 | prpplague | hrw|work: right in the middle of moving to the states |
| 17:08.13 | prpplague | hrw|work: but i have a directive to get a linux 802.11 cf card working to replace the almost non-existant prism cards |
| 17:09.15 | hrw|work | 8385 is CF |
| 17:09.41 | prpplague | hrw|work: right, i have 5 of them |
| 17:09.47 | hrw|work | nice |
| 17:10.00 | hrw|work | I have to go |
| 17:10.04 | hrw|work | cu |
| 17:10.14 | prpplague | hrw|work: which means i can justify spending 40 hour work weeks on it |
| 17:10.15 | koen | prpplague: trying to o be the biggest hotspot on the island? |
| 17:10.24 | prpplague | koen: hehe |
| 17:10.44 | prpplague | koen: just making sure i have plenty to test with |
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| 17:26.36 | buz_ | mhh a very long time ago i bought a cf card that ran on atmel |
| 17:26.40 | buz_ | worked nicely on linux |
| 17:26.50 | buz_ | (i think it was atmel anyway) |
| 17:28.16 | prpplague | buz_: yea, problem is most of the cards are getting really hard to purchase in bulk |
| 17:28.24 | buz_ | point |
| 17:28.27 | buz_ | that was in like 2002 ;) |
| 17:28.42 | buz_ | cf is nearly dead technology i guess |
| 17:28.43 | prpplague | buz_: when you are buying 2000 to 5000 units, it can be pretty darn difficult these days |
| 17:28.46 | prpplague | buz_: yea |
| 17:29.14 | prpplague | buz_: problem with cf being dead, sdio and spi devices just aren't available in the qty and price to replace the cf cards |
| 17:29.35 | buz_ | and theres no truly open SDIO stack |
| 17:29.56 | buz_ | there are some open usb ones |
| 17:30.58 | buz_ | well quantity should drive price down ;) |
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| 17:36.52 | prpplague | buz_: yea, the usb ones are good and work well, but one major drawback is that they aren't really usuable in handheld designs |
| 17:37.17 | prpplague | buz_: since usb requires 5v and usb dongle isn't exactly well shaped to fit inside a device |
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| 18:42.35 | buz_ | well you could always peel off the case and get something which isnt that |
| 18:42.36 | buz_ | big |
| 18:42.43 | buz_ | the power source is an issue though |
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| 18:44.41 | [g2] | anyone played with opensync ? |
| 18:44.48 | koen | a while ago |
| 18:44.56 | koen | seems to work |
| 18:45.04 | [g2] | anything better ? |
| 18:45.04 | koen | I wonder how the funambol stuff pans out |
| 18:45.18 | [g2] | funambol ? |
| 18:45.28 | koen | opensync is currently the best there is for general use |
| 18:45.49 | prpplague | buz_: yea, 5v power is still an issue, but the other issue with "peeling off the case" is that it voids the fcc cert |
| 18:45.50 | koen | funambol (formerly known as sync4j) is what openmoko is going to use |
| 18:46.42 | koen | opensync should be able to talk to that |
| 18:49.57 | [g2] | prpplague this puts out 5V to miniUSB http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/ref=br_1_3/602-7018648-9587030?ie=UTF8&frombrowse=1&asin=B000IOKLZM |
| 18:53.10 | prpplague | [g2]: hehe yea, but thats not exactly something we can intergrate into our handheld devices, hehe |
| 18:53.56 | prpplague | [g2]: you can get a voltage boost ic, to go from 3.3v to 5v or we could even just provide a 5v powersupply section |
| 18:54.11 | prpplague | [g2]: big thing is that the 5v shortens the battery life considerably |
| 19:05.20 | buz_ | are you sure that the usb chips use 5v internally? maybe they have another voltage regulator inside you could circumvent |
| 19:06.15 | prpplague | buz_: no most of the usb dongles are actually 3.3v based, but take the 5v in from the usb host then use a switcher down to the 3.3v |
| 19:06.32 | buz_ | maybe you could get a batch without the switcher |
| 19:06.36 | prpplague | buz_: problem is that you can really remove the switcher without voiding the fcc cert |
| 19:06.52 | buz_ | point |
| 19:06.54 | prpplague | buz_: yea that was my thought as well |
| 19:07.05 | prpplague | buz_: we've been making some oem inquiries |
| 19:07.11 | buz_ | but at a few k units, a special run oughta be possible |
| 19:07.23 | prpplague | buz_: yea |
| 19:07.33 | prpplague | buz_: we'd really like to get one of the spi based chips though |
| 19:07.41 | prpplague | buz_: that would make everything so much easier |
| 19:08.28 | buz_ | how fast can you clock spi |
| 19:09.14 | prpplague | buz_: most cpu's can do the spi interface around 20mhz, some as high as 40mhz |
| 19:09.54 | buz_ | mhh that should be about enough for wifi |
| 19:10.23 | prpplague | buz_: yea |
| 19:10.41 | prpplague | buz_: the 8385 chipset does support generic spi |
| 19:11.07 | prpplague | buz_: but since specs and pinouts for marvell chips are few and far between, there isn't much info on implementing it |
| 19:11.29 | buz_ | isnt there a marvell chip in olpc |
| 19:12.17 | prpplague | yea the libertas, but the olpc people have signed NDA's iirc |
| 19:12.55 | buz_ | i dont really get it |
| 19:13.00 | buz_ | why would anyone sell hardware with nda |
| 19:13.41 | prpplague | buz_: to be honest i don't "get it" either |
| 19:14.00 | buz_ | seems like a rather effective way of shrinking your market |
| 19:14.03 | buz_ | unless you got something to hide |
| 19:17.25 | prpplague | buz_: well almost all of the wlan people are doing it, so there isn't much to compare to |
| 19:17.36 | buz_ | its probably a patent minefield |
| 19:17.51 | prpplague | buz_: with the end of the prism series, linux support has been rather rough for 802.11 chipsets on a lowlevel |
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| 19:27.21 | prpplague | koen / hrw|gone : http://www.free60.org/oldwiki/Wifi_Adapter |
| 19:31.20 | koen | nice |
| 19:32.09 | prpplague | koen: this is what i'd like to get working - http://www.zcomax.com/1mbfile/G%20product/XG-880M_specification%20.pdf |
| 19:33.39 | koen | pretty small unit |
| 19:34.32 | prpplague | holy cow, just realized i have a copy of the 8385 datasheet |
| 19:40.15 | koen | heh |
| 19:40.44 | prpplague | koen: covered under NDA of course |
| 19:40.56 | [g2] | prpplague that's is a boost converter from 2AAs to 5V |
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| 19:45.43 | prpplague | [g2]: yea, i've got a circuit board i built similiar |
| 19:46.13 | [g2] | prpplague so I'm thinking of very simple adapter board |
| 19:46.27 | [g2] | one could even charge the phone while connected |
| 19:47.31 | prpplague | [g2]: oh sorry, talking two different this, hrw|gone and i were talking about the 88w8385 chipset, really shoudl be OT here |
| 19:47.36 | prpplague | s/this/things |
| 19:48.22 | [g2] | prpplague Oh ok |
| 19:48.58 | prpplague | [g2]: wasn't directly related to openmoko or phone dev |
| 19:49.24 | [g2] | np |
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| 21:52.08 | prpplague^2 | hrw|gone: interesting deal, i turned my 8385 cf card into a spi interface by removing a 100k ohm pull down resistor |
| 21:52.40 | xorAxAx | haha |
| 21:52.50 | koen | so that's why you have 5 |
| 21:53.09 | prpplague^2 | koen: hehe i always get multiple for me to hack |
| 21:53.49 | prpplague^2 | koen: i'm still testing , but it looks to be working |
| 21:54.06 | koen | neat |
| 22:26.59 | stefan_schmidt | re |
| 22:40.00 | stefan_schmidt | Sum1: If you don't get all we can ad it easily later. It's a wiki. |
| 22:40.02 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 22:41.17 | Sum1 | Yep, good point. But would like to get most of the ideas! |
| 22:41.37 | Sum1 | And Robert Michel is prolific... |
| 22:41.40 | stefan_schmidt | yes, that would be good |
| 22:42.11 | stefan_schmidt | heh, yes, _very_ long mails from him. |
| 22:42.44 | stefan_schmidt | almost good ideas which could be described something shorter. :) |
| 23:25.29 | Stephmw | welcome to the 'blue sky' club :) |