| 00:00.10 | markit | Stephmw: I've done, I've also configured things "as they should work", but they don't.... |
| 00:00.44 | markit | I can ping the device, but can't make the device find the PC |
| 00:01.04 | markit | and also some commands that should produce an output, don't give meaningful info |
| 00:01.25 | markit | so there is something wrong somewhere... and the problem is, as usual, where? ;) |
| 00:02.02 | Sum1 | Which distribution are you using? |
| 00:02.14 | stefan_schmidt | night all |
| 00:02.18 | Sum1 | night stefan! |
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| 00:07.54 | markit | Sum1: debian sid |
| 00:10.33 | Sum1 | might be worth trying http://www.debian.org/support#irc then? |
| 00:14.20 | markit | Sum1: don't think is debian-specific, but I'll try, thanks |
| 00:21.11 | Sum1 | right, off to bed. |
| 00:21.13 | Sum1 | night all |
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| 00:49.08 | prpplague | anyone setting up a wiki page, i.e. on handhelds.org ? |
| 00:54.14 | rwhitby | prpplague: openmoko folks have said they are going to set up a public wiki |
| 00:54.36 | prpplague | rwhitby: ahh but nothing as of yet? |
| 00:55.44 | rwhitby | no, they only said they were going to do it in the last 12 hours |
| 00:55.58 | prpplague | rwhitby: ahh |
| 00:56.20 | rwhitby | prpplague: (this is on the community mailing list) |
| 00:57.00 | prpplague | rwhitby: ahh ok, not subscribed as of yet, just kind of testing the waters to see if i want to be involved |
| 01:00.31 | prpplague | rwhitby: sounds like there isn't much "hacking" really needed since FIC has some experience linux folks onboard |
| 01:01.01 | rwhitby | prpplague: mickey|zzZZzz is on the inside for this one. |
| 01:01.35 | prpplague | rwhitby: yea thats what i heard, as well as LaF0rge doing kernel work |
| 01:01.47 | rwhitby | I don't know the pedigree of the people on the hardware side - i.e. whether there will be easy to access JTAG, I2C, etc ... |
| 01:02.22 | prpplague | rwhitby: yea, thats really where my interest lay |
| 01:02.41 | rwhitby | prpplague: yep, figured that ;-) |
| 01:03.48 | prpplague | rwhitby: might opt for a HTC 2410 based device instead |
| 01:05.02 | rwhitby | prpplague: got a URL for that one? |
| 01:05.23 | rwhitby | (is that just the unbranded IPAQ 2410?) |
| 01:05.25 | prpplague | rwhitby: yea one sec |
| 01:08.05 | prpplague | rwhitby: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes |
| 01:08.16 | prpplague | rwhitby: either that or one of the eten e500+ |
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| 01:50.43 | lkcl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:38.34 | edwardocallaghan | Hi |
| 03:42.00 | cheesy | hi |
| 03:42.23 | edwardocallaghan | Any news on a platform to dev on? |
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| 09:34.35 | hrw|work | http://www.dinarsoft.com/gitex.html - I want openmoko on it if/when it will get released |
| 09:42.24 | koen | the dock with speakers is a nice touch |
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| 10:22.23 | lardman | morning florian_kc |
| 10:22.27 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 10:22.29 | lardman | morning all |
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| 10:38.42 | buz | hrw|work: yeah whomever ports openmoko to HTC devices will be my personal hero |
| 10:39.26 | buz | personally i care more for the slide qwerty models |
| 10:42.12 | koen | 'ports' |
| 10:43.52 | buz | why the '' ? |
| 10:45.46 | koen | too many people say 'I ported <foo> to <bar>' |
| 10:46.01 | koen | when they mean "I compiled it, and it worked" |
| 10:48.06 | buz | i couldn't care less what they did to get it working ;) |
| 10:49.35 | hrw|work | koen: I ported mp3 ringtone from my k750i to KDE one! |
| 10:49.51 | koen | right :) |
| 10:50.23 | koen | I ported an audio CD from powerpc to emt64 |
| 10:50.27 | Lottokim | how mutch is the new phone from fic going to cost? |
| 10:50.46 | koen | $350 according to the website |
| 10:51.50 | hrw|work | koen: you hacker! |
| 10:51.52 | Lottokim | thats a nice price |
| 10:52.11 | Lottokim | what about support for wlan, umts/edge? |
| 10:52.34 | hrw|work | Lottokim: none currently |
| 10:53.36 | koen | only gprs |
| 10:53.44 | koen | again, according to the website |
| 10:54.13 | Lottokim | hmm, where is this site? :) |
| 10:54.55 | Lottokim | ahh, found it, sorry |
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| 12:33.48 | aevin | koen: do you have URI for the website listing the assumed price of Neo1973 ? |
| 12:34.17 | koen | openmoko.com |
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| 13:22.17 | MDK | hmm, looking at the screenshots, the fonts must look _really_ small given the physical screen size |
| 13:22.37 | koen | they *are* really small |
| 13:23.18 | koen | it looks like the persons who did that screenshot left Xephyr's dpi at 72 or 96 |
| 13:23.20 | koen | instead of 280 |
| 13:24.32 | MDK | so they're bigger in the real device? |
| 13:25.24 | koen | yes |
| 13:25.58 | koen | thanks god they aren't going the maemo road by setting DPI to 96 |
| 13:26.05 | koen | "my fonts are too small!!!!" |
| 13:33.19 | aevin | koen: I couldn't find any mention of the price at openmoko.com :( got a direct URI? (perhaps I'm just blind) |
| 13:33.36 | koen | it should be in the presentation somewhere |
| 13:33.51 | aevin | ah, I'll check it out. |
| 13:38.19 | MDK | well, dpi is dpi |
| 13:38.40 | MDK | there is still font size |
| 13:39.15 | aevin | couldn't find it in the OpenMoko_Amsterdam.pdf |
| 13:39.38 | MDK | also, you kinda need 96 dpi to cram the webpages in |
| 13:39.40 | aevin | but I'll take your word for it. |
| 13:41.19 | so_solid_moo | MDK: surely the DPI setting should just reflect the hardware, no matter what your task? |
| 13:42.44 | koen | MDK: fontsize (point) is a physical world unit |
| 13:43.02 | koen | MDK: 8 point is the same size in milimeter everywhere |
| 13:43.14 | koen | on your crt, on your pda, in the newspaper |
| 13:43.24 | koen | *unless* someone messed up the dpi settings |
| 13:46.17 | Stephmw | interesting idea about emulating other phone UIs on the mailing list... |
| 13:46.57 | Stephmw | ... behaviour can be used IMO, but if it looks too similar to other phone's UIs there's a risk of accusations of 'passing off' |
| 13:48.13 | so_solid_moo | or infringing patents, e.g. the ipod |
| 14:00.01 | MDK | koen: yeah, I agree |
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| 14:00.56 | MDK | koen: the other situation when things get screwed up is when the webdesigner doesn't use point sizes correctly |
| 14:01.20 | MDK | or uses pixel-mesurements mixed with point-mesurements |
| 14:01.28 | MDK | which is like 90% of the web |
| 14:02.31 | MDK | on my laptopn I keep 96dpi setting, although it's a 12" screen |
| 14:03.12 | MDK | I tried setting it to (correctly) 120dpi, but too many things were looking out of proportions on the web |
| 14:05.35 | koen | yes, but they will look out of place anyway on a portrait screen |
| 14:06.00 | so_solid_moo | it will bite people more often on normal PCs as LCD panels get higher resolution too |
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| 14:18.46 | prpplague | hrw|work: ping |
| 14:18.55 | hrw|work | pong |
| 14:19.35 | prpplague | hrw|work: hey, you got your cf8385 cf card working on arm ? |
| 14:19.50 | hrw|work | prpplague: not yet checked - need some time |
| 14:20.01 | prpplague | hrw|work: ahh |
| 14:20.27 | prpplague | hrw|work: have you tested it with 2.4 kernel, or strickly working on it for 2.6? |
| 14:20.55 | hrw|work | prpplague: 1st want to get it working on collie with 2.4.18, then will go to 2.6 |
| 14:21.29 | hrw|work | but will not start collie work before building driver for 2.6/x86 |
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| 14:23.36 | prpplague | hrw|work: okie dokie |
| 14:24.26 | prpplague | hrw|work: i have a legacy system using the old prism cards, those are getting hard to find, so i need to upgrade it, you want me to forward any hacks i have? |
| 14:24.58 | hrw|work | hacks for? |
| 14:25.22 | prpplague | hrw|work: getting the CF8385 working for generic ARM |
| 14:26.46 | hrw|work | prpplague: you hacked them too? if you can share then I can take any patches |
| 14:29.51 | prpplague | hrw|work: yea i can share, just hacking up the drivers i found on the net from marvell, but i don't see any license information on the code |
| 14:30.29 | hrw|work | there is none |
| 14:30.46 | hrw|work | prpplague: 5.0.11 version or other? |
| 14:30.55 | prpplague | hrw|work: yea |
| 14:31.15 | hrw|work | I want 5.0.16/17.... but no way |
| 14:31.36 | prpplague | hrw|work: yea, i understand there is a different license for that |
| 14:31.47 | prpplague | hrw|work: so where does that leave the usage of the 5.0.11 code? |
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| 14:50.36 | hrw|work | I cant get newer ones |
| 14:52.41 | prpplague | hrw|work: yea, i meant since there is no license for the 5.0.11, can it be redistributed? |
| 14:54.29 | hrw|work | prpplague: 5.0.11 is available on sparklan website so I think that it can be redistributed (or we can point people to sparklan website) |
| 14:57.25 | prpplague | hrw|work: thats what i was thinking as well |
| 15:17.29 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 15:26.22 | prpplague | CoreDump|home: greetings |
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| 17:07.29 | prpplague | hrw|work: basic communication for the cf8385 seems to be working |
| 17:08.03 | prpplague | hrw|work: there were lots of Makefile fixes and compile tweaks |
| 17:08.15 | prpplague | hrw|work: other than that, it seems to work ok |
| 17:08.57 | prpplague | hrw|work: tested with strongarm, arm7 and an arm9 boards with cf sockets |
| 17:15.05 | hrw|work | cool |
| 17:15.11 | hrw|work | I have to go now |
| 17:15.41 | prpplague | hrw|work: i'll let you know how the 2.6 testing goes |
| 17:15.59 | hrw|work | prpplague: http://www.openembedded.org/~hrw/patches/ - ugly ones |
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| 17:57.56 | prpplague | hrw|gone: thanks |
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| 21:31.37 | XVampireX | heya |
| 21:32.11 | stefan_schmidt | hi XVampireX |
| 21:33.08 | XVampireX | What's up? |
| 21:33.55 | XVampireX | Will this thing act like a cellphone too? |
| 21:34.31 | koen | ah, another unhappy motorola user |
| 21:34.40 | stefan_schmidt | XVampireX: of course |
| 21:34.47 | koen | yes, this phone will be able to make calls |
| 21:34.48 | XVampireX | Okey, cool :D |
| 21:35.08 | XVampireX | And will I be able to use it here in Israel? :) |
| 21:35.30 | [g2] | if there's GSM in Israel |
| 21:35.44 | [g2] | it's a Quadband GSM phone |
| 21:36.15 | XVampireX | Yeah, my phone is GSM |
| 21:36.32 | XVampireX | Wee :) |
| 21:40.41 | XVampireX | How about a camera? |
| 21:41.13 | stefan_schmidt | XVampireX: not in the first hardware version |
| 21:41.47 | XVampireX | Oh, alright |
| 21:41.58 | XVampireX | I might buy the later versions then :P |
| 21:42.02 | XVampireX | Sounds good |
| 21:44.28 | XVampireX | Is this gonna be console based apt-get or a frontend to it too? |
| 21:44.51 | stefan_schmidt | ipkg, a small version off apt-get |
| 21:45.04 | XVampireX | So console based |
| 21:45.20 | XVampireX | Should have a frontend too |
| 21:46.29 | stefan_schmidt | it has |
| 21:46.42 | stefan_schmidt | nice nifty front end for endusers |
| 21:46.54 | stefan_schmidt | With different package feeds. |
| 21:47.09 | stefan_schmidt | official, tested and community |
| 21:47.21 | stefan_schmidt | and even more if you like. |
| 21:47.42 | XVampireX | Yeah, apt-get works like that :) /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:59.56 | XVampireX | How's this going to connect to the net, then? |
| 22:00.17 | stefan_schmidt | gprs or bluetooth |
| 22:00.32 | stefan_schmidt | Pwerhaps bluetooth but it's undecided right now. |
| 22:01.10 | XVampireX | Hmm |
| 22:01.26 | XVampireX | Don't know how bluetooth/gprs would connect to the net :P |
| 22:01.52 | stefan_schmidt | ? |
| 22:01.56 | stefan_schmidt | -v please |
| 22:02.32 | XVampireX | what? |
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| 22:05.34 | stefan_schmidt | what do you mean with 'Don't know how bluetooth/gprs would connect to the net :P' |
| 22:06.44 | XVampireX | They need a modem, no? |
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| 22:07.20 | buz | gprs is something like a modem |
| 22:07.24 | buz | as is gsm itself |
| 22:07.36 | stefan_schmidt | They have a modem on a seperate gsm chip |
| 22:07.47 | stefan_schmidt | communicate via tty |
| 22:08.13 | XVampireX | Ah |
| 22:08.56 | XVampireX | So how would I connect to the internet with it? Wouldn't it still depend on specific internet providers or something? |
| 22:10.22 | stefan_schmidt | no, it's a normal unlocked phone |
| 22:10.58 | XVampireX | Right :O |
| 22:15.28 | XVampireX | Hmm, maybe somehow make it integrate with Asterisk via Bluetooth? |
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| 22:18.41 | XVampireX | What do you think of the idea? |
| 22:19.10 | stefan_schmidt | was already on th mailling-list |
| 22:22.33 | XVampireX | Heh |
| 22:22.48 | XVampireX | Well at least I put this channel on autojoin, I am excited about this project. |
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| 23:00.22 | rwhitby | morning |
| 23:00.46 | stefan_schmidt | hi rwhitby |
| 23:01.05 | koen | hey rwhitby |
| 23:01.12 | rwhitby | hey guys |
| 23:02.13 | hrw | wb Rod |
| 23:03.04 | rwhitby | do we know if the FIC device is going to have easily accessible JTAG, serial, I2C, etc .. ? |
| 23:04.13 | koen | no one has gone on-record with that |
| 23:04.32 | Vegar | will AGPS work with satellites too? |
| 23:04.58 | koen | yes |
| 23:05.03 | hrw | ~lart mysql 4.0 on ltg |
| 23:05.06 | koen | it's *assisted*gps |
| 23:05.09 | koen | not anti-GPS |
| 23:05.15 | Vegar | hehe |
| 23:05.24 | Vegar | just got confused by some articles I read |
| 23:05.59 | hrw | Almost GPS? |
| 23:09.14 | Vegar | so I can disable GSM and use the, uh, phone, as a pure GPS device when GSM is not available? |
| 23:09.53 | koen | yes |
| 23:09.59 | stefan_schmidt | Vegar: It's a pricey BT gps, but you can. :) |
| 23:10.13 | stefan_schmidt | ups, perhaps only usb gps |
| 23:10.47 | koen | a garmin with sd slot and vga is quite expensive |
| 23:11.17 | stefan_schmidt | good point |
| 23:12.03 | koen | but the garmin has better weatherproofing and batterylife |
| 23:12.44 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, battery life with gps on is a good question. |
| 23:13.10 | Vegar | how is the battery life in general? |
| 23:14.00 | stefan_schmidt | not know yet |
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| 23:40.43 | CoreDump|home | cdbot: part |
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| 23:41.18 | hrw | CoreDump|home: http://openzaurus.linuxtogo.org/wordpress/ |
| 23:41.59 | CoreDump|home | hrw: nice look |
| 23:42.19 | hrw | and speed |
| 23:43.07 | hrw | any ideas what to change? links etc |
| 23:45.31 | CoreDump|home | looking good to me (tho every body will know that the picture is part of the default theme =) ) |