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| 03:00.24 | aevin | i just read about openmoku and the upcoming Neo1973... i'm really looking forward to it. not long until jan 2007. |
| 03:01.03 | aevin | :-) |
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| 06:52.35 | _kaiser_ | wow, it does seem this channel is popular. :) |
| 06:54.13 | _kaiser_ | I'm curious about the preliminary specs: "Unpowered USB 1.1" and then "1200 mAh battery (charged over USB)" -- seems like a contradiction to me? Can anyone clarify? |
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| 06:54.54 | _kaiser_ | How can you charge the battery with unpowered USB? |
| 06:58.32 | rwhitby | perhaps the usb only sinks power, but does not source it. |
| 06:59.09 | rwhitby | (that would be the most sensible thing to do for a battery powered device) |
| 07:04.12 | cephdon | It means that you can not connect usb devices to the USB which require the USB to supply power. |
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| 07:12.55 | fragggy | Good morning |
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| 07:39.36 | _kaiser_ | Thanks for the clarification. |
| 07:57.56 | cephdon | I don't know much more than what I have heard and read. /shrug |
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| 08:21.49 | xkr47 | where can I pre-order ?-) |
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| 09:03.59 | den-ros | hrw|work: Hi. |
| 09:04.51 | hrw|work | morning |
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| 09:32.08 | Stephmw | mornin' |
| 09:32.42 | hrw|work | hi Stephmw |
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| 09:33.47 | MDK | koen: this patch you posted, it's our patch actually |
| 09:34.10 | MDK | I mean, it was written by Xan from Nokia |
| 09:34.31 | MDK | I highly doubt openmoko uses that, since it's just one month old |
| 09:34.56 | stefan_schmidt | morning all |
| 09:35.07 | koen | MDK: I didn't say openmoko uses that |
| 09:35.16 | koen | MDK: I said OpenEmbedded uses that for gtk 2.10.6 |
| 09:35.21 | koen | hey stefan_schmidt |
| 09:36.31 | koen | MDK: and the patch is a bit different, see my mail to the gnome-performance list |
| 09:37.57 | MDK | koen: oh, right. I misread |
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| 10:30.39 | koen | http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/fic-neo1973-preliminary-specs |
| 10:31.50 | so_solid_moo | \o/ |
| 10:34.07 | greentux | hey koen |
| 10:34.12 | koen | hey greentux |
| 10:35.19 | hrw|work | hi greentux |
| 10:36.18 | Stephmw | being gtk, the UI is themeable, right? |
| 10:38.02 | koen | yes |
| 10:38.22 | greentux | koen: read the specs... mmh |
| 10:38.36 | koen | preliminary specs |
| 10:39.39 | greentux | koen: really micro(!) |
| 10:39.49 | greentux | koen: very bad. and the 770 bug unpowered usb... mmh |
| 10:40.19 | koen | ah well, I have micro sd cards |
| 10:40.30 | koen | I still want CF :) |
| 10:40.47 | Stephmw | koen: cool - as the UI looks absolutely gorgeous, but I'm worried about usability |
| 10:40.52 | Stephmw | koen: and visibility |
| 10:41.13 | koen | Stephmw: the screenshots on the site are misleading |
| 10:42.05 | koen | if you would display those screenshots on the actual device you'd need a magnifier to read the text |
| 10:42.26 | Stephmw | that reminds me |
| 10:42.46 | koen | I mentioned 'DPI' a lot to mickey|bbl and I think he got the point :) |
| 10:43.08 | Stephmw | haha |
| 10:43.19 | Stephmw | cool |
| 10:43.38 | greentux | mmmh micro sd is only for memory... no device cards available |
| 10:43.49 | koen | as soon as someone says "8pt is too small, we nee 16pt" you know they have the dpi settings all wrong |
| 10:44.05 | Stephmw | koen: let me know if you need any input - I work in that area (mobile phone UI/usability) - I'm no gfx artist though |
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| 10:44.41 | koen | Stephmw: I don't work on the project |
| 10:44.55 | koen | Stephmw: atm only mickeyl is working on the gui/framework |
| 10:44.57 | Stephmw | koen: I'll just leave the offer open generally - no worries |
| 10:45.23 | greentux | we will wait 8 weeks and see what happens |
| 10:45.46 | hrw|work | I hope that zaurus users will not start to use this phone. |
| 10:46.38 | koen | <politically incorrect statement about IQ of zaurus users> |
| 10:46.47 | Stephmw | haha |
| 10:46.58 | Stephmw | as mine died a few years back, I'm ok, right? |
| 10:47.22 | koen | probably |
| 10:50.42 | xorAxAx | what about zaurus users? i just know one, someone who is bragging about his mensa membership the whole day |
| 10:51.30 | koen | a combination of 'clueless' and 'stubborn' |
| 10:51.52 | Stephmw | xorAxAx: since when has being part of the cleaning staff qualified as 'membership'? |
| 10:52.11 | hrw|work | xorAxAx: too many of them cant get the fact that compatibility with sharp software (default system) is not important for most of developers |
| 10:52.32 | Stephmw | hell, in the mobile world, compatibility is an afterthought anyway |
| 10:52.34 | hrw|work | xorAxAx: and that we have 2006 year ending (instead of 2002) |
| 10:53.41 | xorAxAx | Stephmw: wrong pov imho, i would conclude that the scale itself is f*cked up |
| 10:53.55 | xorAxAx | hrw|work: ah, they dont want to abandon the sharp software? |
| 10:54.19 | Stephmw | xorAxAx: you don't think it'd be nice to have compatibility between different phone manufacturers? |
| 10:55.25 | xorAxAx | of course |
| 10:55.44 | koen | 'mensa membership' reminds me of http://xkcd.com/c169.html |
| 10:56.17 | Stephmw | hahaha |
| 10:57.02 | koen | xorAxAx: no supporting compatibility with a closed source environment from 2002 isn't high on the list of FOSS developers |
| 10:57.13 | xorAxAx | koen: makes sense |
| 10:57.41 | koen | "OMG opera doesn't work!!!! you stink!!!!" |
| 10:57.56 | Stephmw | lol |
| 10:58.03 | Stephmw | yeah, I completely agree |
| 10:58.16 | hrw|work | 'my camera card does not work!! you suxxers' |
| 10:58.16 | Stephmw | I never had any thoughts of using old software as-is |
| 10:58.24 | koen | and repeat for i in {closed source apps} |
| 10:58.30 | hrw|work | card is shit not worth 2$ |
| 10:58.45 | hrw|work | with binary driver for 2.4 only (we have 2.6 on most Z models) |
| 10:59.41 | koen | "What do you mean with 'I can only compile things I have the source of'?" |
| 11:00.40 | hrw|work | etc |
| 11:00.50 | koen | users don't understand that using something developed by FOSS zeal^H^H^H^Hpeople doesn't work too well with closed sourced crap |
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| 11:03.01 | koen | we should be extremely thanksfull that FIC is using a recent kernel (2.6.17.7) for the neo instead of some 2.4.medieval kernel |
| 11:03.11 | koen | *cough* greenphone *cough* |
| 11:09.40 | telmich | koen: don't know whether this is english, but 'closed source crap' is a tautologie |
| 11:09.54 | koen | :) |
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| 13:27.39 | tm_ | hello |
| 13:45.10 | stefan_schmidt | hi tm_ |
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| 14:00.19 | TimLearysHead | nice |
| 14:02.44 | xkr47 | koen, wonder what voltage the battery has.. 1200mAh doesn't say much alone |
| 14:05.39 | Stephmw | 3.7v is pretty standard, no? |
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| 14:09.49 | qweasdzxc | hi |
| 14:10.55 | qweasdzxc | hola? |
| 14:15.46 | qweasdzxc | is anybady there? |
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| 14:20.21 | xkr47 | qweasdzxc, sure |
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| 14:21.42 | qweasdzxc | where is the electrical squeme of the mobile? |
| 14:24.26 | xkr47 | heh |
| 14:24.48 | qweasdzxc | openmoko is free, no? |
| 14:25.22 | qweasdzxc | but i can not find the docs.. ¿? |
| 14:28.52 | xkr47 | there aren't much docs yet |
| 14:29.00 | xkr47 | at least I haven't seen |
| 14:29.19 | xkr47 | so I guess we all need to patiently wait for them :) |
| 14:29.20 | qweasdzxc | and the sources? |
| 14:29.39 | xkr47 | the sources.. linux.. |
| 14:29.44 | qweasdzxc | ok |
| 14:29.54 | xkr47 | I guess they have a set of patches tho |
| 14:30.01 | xkr47 | but really I'm no authoritative source :) |
| 14:30.11 | xkr47 | I'm probably the worst source ever :) |
| 14:31.09 | xkr47 | sit around patiently and hope for somebody that knows to answer your questions :) |
| 14:31.23 | qweasdzxc | ok, thanks |
| 14:31.35 | koen | see the mailinglist |
| 14:31.44 | koen | your questions have already been answered :) |
| 14:32.21 | qweasdzxc | in community? |
| 14:33.17 | koen | there are only 2 mailinglists of which one has had no emails |
| 14:35.00 | qweasdzxc | ok |
| 14:35.04 | xkr47 | url in topic |
| 14:41.29 | qweasdzxc | ok, thanks |
| 14:41.34 | qweasdzxc | i will see... |
| 14:41.38 | qweasdzxc | bye |
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| 15:34.37 | noidd | mornin |
| 15:34.41 | noidd | can I pre-order yet? :-) |
| 15:34.43 | hrw|work | hi noidd |
| 15:35.00 | noidd | hows it going hrw? |
| 15:35.18 | hrw|work | working |
| 15:36.22 | noidd | beats the alternative |
| 15:36.35 | noidd | although with the way work is right now I'm close to changing my mind for myself :-P |
| 15:37.19 | noidd | Have we heard anything about phone companies allowing / disallowing these devices on their networks yet? |
| 15:37.28 | koen | yes |
| 15:37.30 | hrw|work | I did not |
| 15:37.46 | koen | "it is like a pcmcia gsm card" |
| 15:37.57 | koen | and "certified TI gsm module" |
| 15:38.25 | koen | harald and sean don't see any problems with it |
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| 15:46.07 | noidd | very cool |
| 15:46.15 | noidd | I can't wait to get my hands on it. |
| 15:46.37 | noidd | my Zaurus got me this job. |
| 15:46.49 | noidd | Will be nice to have my cellphone get me my next one ;-) |
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| 15:57.56 | noidd | Do we know the type of data network that is supported on this device? |
| 15:58.07 | hrw|work | BT and usbnet |
| 15:58.20 | noidd | apologies, I mean via the phone interface |
| 15:58.27 | hrw|work | gprs only |
| 15:58.33 | noidd | ie; broadband? 64k? 9600 :-P |
| 15:58.34 | hrw|work | no edge, no umts |
| 15:58.44 | noidd | do you know the bandwidth of gprs? |
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| 15:59.17 | hrw|work | max of gprs is iirc ~60kbps |
| 16:00.07 | hrw|work | For example, the majority of GPRS terminals will be able to download data at speeds of up to 24Kbps (kilobytes per second). At the higher end, speeds are theoretically possible up to 171.2 kbit/sec when 8 slots are assigned at the same time to a single user. In reality 40-50Kbps. PC cards capable of GPRS will send data up to speeds of 48Kbps. |
| 16:00.13 | hrw|work | http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml |
| 16:00.34 | noidd | at least its always on |
| 16:00.45 | noidd | so you don't need to worry about authenticating and all that jazz. |
| 16:02.57 | koen | I'd like the neo to use pand instead of dund |
| 16:03.16 | koen | layering ppp on top of bt serial emulation is madness |
| 16:04.09 | hrw|work | and let it get BT 2.0 speeds.. |
| 16:05.42 | cephdon | the current specs dont include BT, and yes... I know they are not final. |
| 16:06.08 | koen | the machine config in OE includes bluetooth :) |
| 16:06.28 | cephdon | yeah, but its not published on their site as a preliminary spec. |
| 16:07.22 | hrw|work | koen: developer versions are often more featured then final |
| 16:07.38 | hrw|work | koen: tosa/devel have 128M flash instead of 64M |
| 16:07.42 | koen | hrw|work: of less featured |
| 16:07.48 | koen | sl5000d only has 32MB ram |
| 16:07.52 | koen | s/of/or/ |
| 16:08.08 | hrw|work | koen: sure |
| 16:08.16 | koen | but I get your point |
| 16:08.18 | malverian | I really hope it gets bluetooth. |
| 16:08.30 | koen | and I wouldn't mind over spec'ed hw stuff :) |
| 16:08.31 | malverian | I suppose I could always hook up a usb bluetooth adapter if it didn't though. |
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| 16:09.27 | hrw|work | malverian: we cannot |
| 16:09.33 | hrw|work | no power on usb port |
| 16:09.38 | hrw|work | which suxx |
| 16:09.58 | koen | harald said he wants to manufacture a powered usb hub |
| 16:10.15 | malverian | Damn.. |
| 16:10.37 | koen | fwiw, the nokia 770 has unpowered usb as well |
| 16:10.50 | koen | and people are using usb devices on it |
| 16:11.06 | hrw|work | koen: with powerhack |
| 16:11.21 | koen | right |
| 16:11.46 | koen | I hope we can get dev phone + powered hub from FIC |
| 16:11.53 | hrw|work | I want to be able to just connect device |
| 16:12.00 | hrw|work | with MaxPower limit |
| 16:12.22 | koen | MaxPower = 0mA |
| 16:14.18 | hrw|work | http://wiki.laptop.org/images/e/ee/AP1_12.jpg - I want one |
| 16:15.06 | koen | iirc zecke is trying to persuade jg to send some to OE |
| 16:18.09 | hrw|work | I know |
| 16:18.36 | hrw|work | but I like the look of (current) final version, not developerboard version |
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| 16:30.56 | koen | yeah, devboards are no good for the olpc |
| 16:31.15 | timtimred | i noticed it makes heavy reference to open embedded |
| 16:31.26 | timtimred | and is a telephony related project |
| 16:32.04 | hrw|work | got 5? |
| 16:32.15 | hrw|work | 2+2=5 for proper values of 2 |
| 16:32.40 | timtimred | :) |
| 16:37.47 | koen | heh |
| 16:37.52 | koen | someone mentions gpsdrive |
| 16:38.16 | tm_ | Hi all, is there any multimedia player on openmoko ? |
| 16:38.28 | koen | tm_: yes |
| 16:39.02 | tm_ | koen : nice , this player is able to get streammed audio/video ? |
| 16:39.03 | koen | afaik the initial version will be mplayer based, and later versions (possibly) gstreamer based |
| 16:40.01 | tm_ | koen : im working for a french ISP , My team and I have ported mplayer to run on Wistron GW1 , its an OMAP 1710 |
| 16:40.15 | koen | 'ported'? |
| 16:40.22 | koen | you mean cross-compiled? |
| 16:40.23 | tm_ | this will be an open software |
| 16:40.34 | koen | or did you make it use the c54x? |
| 16:40.37 | tm_ | yeah , this is what i mean , sorry |
| 16:41.06 | koen | 'bitbake mplayer' in OE and that will give you a package ready to install |
| 16:45.00 | tm_ | koen : c54x , is the DSP |
| 16:45.18 | tm_ | ? , no i can access it |
| 16:46.47 | tm_ | s/can/cant |
| 16:49.55 | tm_ | koen : i read somewhere that openmoko will be available in pre-release on december ? |
| 17:05.44 | koen | januari last I heared |
| 17:05.57 | koen | application developers might get a preview |
| 17:06.07 | koen | and ys, the c54x is the dsp |
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| 17:14.41 | tm_ | koen : january !! , will be hard to wait ;) , i would like to test our player on it ! |
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| 17:21.11 | markit | gprs with EDGE or not? |
| 17:22.13 | Buffet | markit: no, no EDGE |
| 17:22.38 | markit | :( |
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| 18:17.12 | noidd | I guess I find it wierd that there isn't a solid spec but they're releasing mass-market in 2 months. |
| 18:17.30 | noidd | they must have a hellafast factory process. |
| 18:20.59 | noidd | hmm |
| 18:23.22 | koen | they are *planning* to ship it in january :) |
| 18:25.02 | noidd | ah, subtle difference |
| 18:25.20 | noidd | I'm hoping they do because i'm getting sick of the acusations of vapourware |
| 18:25.38 | noidd | are there any photographs of the actual unit? I've only seen renderings. |
| 18:25.46 | koen | actually, I think they only said they'll release the platfrom on januari |
| 18:26.04 | koen | maybe the phone will get released february |
| 18:26.10 | koen | just guessing |
| 18:26.39 | noidd | ah, I got completely the wrong impression then |
| 18:27.30 | koen | I had the same impression, but everything is sufficiently vague to argue either way |
| 18:28.37 | koen | it is a sister company of HTC, so I wouldn't fear any production delays |
| 18:29.25 | koen | and having bluetooth or not is just a matter of putting in the chip or not |
| 18:30.44 | koen | but yeah, not having a final spec is kinda worrying |
| 18:35.23 | noidd | Well, I'm not going to see one until it goes mass-market |
| 18:35.29 | noidd | so I shouldn't be too worried. |
| 18:35.44 | noidd | I'm not going to request one of the limited dev ones. |
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| 18:43.44 | marcb4242 | tm_: so the freebox is running mplayer and has a Wistron GW1 inside. is that the same with the fbx3 & 4? |
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| 19:05.52 | buz | what does 2.5G but not edge mean? |
| 19:05.57 | buz | I thought edge was 2.5G |
| 19:07.16 | so_solid_moo | I think it means GPRS |
| 19:08.52 | koen | '2.5g' is a bit of a bogus name |
| 19:09.11 | buz | yeah XG in general is rather bogus |
| 19:09.14 | koen | it means 'not as new and shiny as 3g' |
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| 19:09.27 | what_nick_ | hi all |
| 19:09.28 | buz | but better than GPRS |
| 19:09.32 | koen | yes |
| 19:09.37 | so_solid_moo | I never use the data capabilities anyway :D |
| 19:09.38 | buz | the thing is smaller than i thought, good ;) |
| 19:09.38 | koen | and comparable to E-GPRS |
| 19:09.50 | buz | i woul d use gprs |
| 19:09.55 | buz | if it wasn't 3? per mb traffic |
| 19:10.13 | koen | €20/month, flatrate |
| 19:10.30 | what_nick_ | for how much data ? |
| 19:10.55 | koen | practically unlimited, theoretically 1GB |
| 19:11.14 | what_nick_ | plain GPRS |
| 19:11.26 | what_nick_ | ie 64kbps sorta speed ? |
| 19:11.57 | buz | i can get flatrate (with 2gb limit, which is illegal advertising in my book) for 30? |
| 19:11.57 | koen | gprs and edge |
| 19:11.58 | buz | but paying 30? each mont sucks |
| 19:11.58 | what_nick_ | edge is only slightly better |
| 19:11.58 | buz | then use 100mb |
| 19:12.13 | buz | theres something i dont get |
| 19:12.29 | buz | wifi supposedly is too proprietary because it needs firmware blobs |
| 19:12.32 | koen | I also get 60 hours of free voice calls a month, so I'm not complaining :) |
| 19:12.37 | what_nick_ | australian plans a aud30 pm for 1gb |
| 19:12.39 | buz | but the GPS thing needs closed source userspace daemons?? |
| 19:12.45 | what_nick_ | 3G UMTS |
| 19:12.52 | what_nick_ | 384kbps |
| 19:13.05 | buz | UMTS scales much higher than only 384 iirc |
| 19:13.20 | buz | its just that commonly the networks dont let it go higher |
| 19:13.21 | what_nick_ | not plans a but are priced at |
| 19:13.22 | koen | but doesn't have enough coverage in .nl |
| 19:13.37 | what_nick_ | ya umts can easily go to 1-2mb |
| 19:15.10 | what_nick_ | er where is my nearest openmoko shop ? |
| 19:15.34 | koen | openmoko is free as in speech and beer |
| 19:16.09 | what_nick_ | hmm i meant for the hardware |
| 19:16.30 | koen | there's a post on the mailinglist asking that same question |
| 19:16.39 | koen | without an answer |
| 19:16.42 | buz | i would say onlineshop |
| 19:16.49 | buz | available directly from fic it says |
| 19:16.58 | buz | i dont care if they send it from taiwan, really |
| 19:17.07 | buz | apple delivers notebooks from china too |
| 19:17.12 | buz | takes about 3 to 4 days |
| 19:17.35 | what_nick_ | ya well they manufacture takes place mostly in that region |
| 19:17.57 | what_nick_ | malaysia,hongkong,taiwan,china,s'pore |
| 19:18.13 | buz | i dont think theres much industry left in HK |
| 19:18.32 | what_nick_ | shipping still goes through there |
| 19:18.36 | buz | yeah |
| 19:18.43 | buz | one of the busiests ports in the world |
| 19:18.44 | what_nick_ | it is the frontend of shenzhen |
| 19:18.55 | what_nick_ | china's largest manufacturig area |
| 19:19.08 | what_nick_ | part of guangzhou |
| 19:19.22 | what_nick_ | just north of hongkong in the mainland |
| 19:21.36 | buz | i unfortunately didnt make it to south china last time i was in hk |
| 19:21.41 | buz | would have taken days to get a visa |
| 19:23.29 | buz | its slightly longer and wider than my p900 but less thick |
| 19:23.31 | buz | good enough |
| 19:23.47 | koen | They could go down the nokia route and hand out 'coupons' for developers |
| 19:24.18 | koen | you can enter the coupon code into the webstore a week before 'the rest' can order it |
| 19:25.53 | hrw | morning |
| 19:26.21 | hrw | I'm not quite suprised - PalmSource guys on openmoko ML |
| 19:27.06 | buz | access palm supposedly is built on linux no? |
| 19:27.23 | buz | remains the question just how you figure out how's a developer |
| 19:27.50 | hrw | buz: yes, but palmsource does not got any device with their products |
| 19:28.06 | buz | not very surprising |
| 19:28.14 | buz | even ms keeps release schedules better than they do |
| 19:28.20 | hrw | they had palmos 6 with multitasking ~2 years ago |
| 19:28.24 | hrw | no one used it |
| 19:28.31 | timtimred | yeah, cos vista didnt slip by too many years ;) |
| 19:29.02 | hrw | now they are bought by Access and say that ALP is linux/gtk but still nothing use it |
| 19:29.21 | buz | why would anyone chose palmos when nokia ships 80mio symbian devices single handedly |
| 19:29.25 | buz | that platform is tried and true |
| 19:29.28 | hrw | even PalmOne^WPalm Inc. does not use their OS |
| 19:29.45 | buz | palm is dead |
| 19:29.59 | hrw | RIP PalmOS |
| 19:30.03 | buz | (and i sure dont miss it) |
| 19:30.07 | hrw | me too |
| 19:30.24 | hrw | I got rid of palmos nearly 3 years ago and moved to LinuxPDA market |
| 19:30.49 | hrw | <commercial break> http://www.hrw.one.pl/ </commercial break> |
| 19:30.52 | hrw | ;D |
| 19:31.05 | what_nick_ | hrrmm |
| 19:31.18 | buz | mhh |
| 19:31.22 | what_nick_ | ok so fic is releasing the hardware soonish ? |
| 19:31.24 | buz | what linux pda are there aside zaurus |
| 19:31.30 | buz | which is more like a small notebook anyway |
| 19:31.51 | hrw | buz: native none nearly but many HTC devices are running linux nicely |
| 19:32.02 | buz | nicely? thats not what i hear |
| 19:32.20 | buz | website usually say they barely boots linux |
| 19:32.38 | hrw | koen: how does linux run on you hx4700 or h2210? |
| 19:32.44 | buz | with the exception of the universal maybe but thats a small notebook as well |
| 19:32.52 | koen | hrw: everything is supported |
| 19:32.58 | buz | noooow a tytn with linux ;) |
| 19:33.17 | koen | hrw: although it needs cpufreq to stop it overheating when using cpu + wifi + bluetooth + charging |
| 19:34.14 | buz | oh wait, i meant htc phones by htc devices |
| 19:34.22 | buz | ipaqs work better from what i hear |
| 19:34.31 | hrw | buz: ipaqs are also made by HTC |
| 19:34.47 | koen | ipaqs had a head start with compaq doing the first kernelport themselves |
| 19:34.55 | buz | yeah i forget |
| 19:35.02 | buz | i dont really care for pure pdas |
| 19:35.25 | koen | I'm still underwhelmed by all the 'smart'phones |
| 19:35.26 | hrw | buz: I'll wait for FIC to switch to linuxphone |
| 19:35.45 | buz | realistically speaking that is the first true linuxphone |
| 19:35.52 | buz | the moto stuff is a bad joke at best |
| 19:35.59 | koen | nokia 6210 + nokia770 is still the best combination for me |
| 19:36.12 | hrw | koen: 6210? no BT... |
| 19:36.24 | koen | ehm |
| 19:36.31 | buz | the supposedly upcoming new s60 communicator could get me to stay with symbian |
| 19:36.31 | koen | some 6xxx series with bt and edge |
| 19:36.53 | hrw | koen: 6230? |
| 19:38.18 | koen | 6021 |
| 19:57.07 | xkr47 | what do you need bt for.. :) |
| 19:57.51 | koen | to use edge on my nokia770 and laptop |
| 19:58.07 | xorAxAx | for the "carwhisperer" feature |
| 19:59.27 | timtimred | its a shame the 770 doesnt have GSM/GPRS/etc |
| 19:59.55 | what_nick_ | http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3820/2178/1600/IMG_0470.jpg |
| 20:00.25 | koen | timtimred: no, it's a blessing |
| 20:00.31 | what_nick_ | the phone does have gsm |
| 20:00.50 | what_nick_ | it would not be a phone without gsm ... |
| 20:01.09 | what_nick_ | well unless its cdma |
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| 22:15.23 | xkr47 | wb |
| 22:28.58 | stefan_schmidt | *yawn* |
| 22:29.26 | hrw | btw.. who here is officially openmoko/fic related? |
| 22:30.40 | Stephmw | mickeyl, I'd assume, at least |
| 22:31.02 | hrw | Stephmw: except him someone? |
| 22:33.09 | Stephmw | hrw: I've only been in this chan a week, gimme a chance to root them out :) |
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| 22:33.16 | hrw | ;) |
| 22:36.43 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: LaF0rge and mickey|bbl are the devs on OpenMoko I know. Perhaps some more I don't know. |
| 22:48.02 | hrw | cu |
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| 23:28.28 | stefan_schmidt | wb mickeyl |
| 23:28.55 | mickeyl | heya |
| 23:29.08 | rwhitby | hey mickeyl |
| 23:29.18 | mickeyl | cheers rwhitby, how are things? |
| 23:30.00 | rwhitby | mickeyl: another OpenEmbedded-based project: www.openprotium.org - I'll be arranging for them to get monotone access soon so they can push back their distro into .dev |
| 23:30.23 | rwhitby | (they have every intention of being a good OE community partner) |
| 23:30.42 | mickeyl | aha. very interesting! what kind of devices/distros's are they targetting? |
| 23:30.58 | rwhitby | It's another NAS device, but this time it's a commercial undertaking. |
| 23:31.02 | mickeyl | cool |
| 23:31.26 | mickeyl | btw., I'd really would like to see some of you (nslu2) guys at the OpenEmbedded booth @ FOSDEM 07. Do you think you or some of you guys could make it? |
| 23:43.02 | rwhitby | mickeyl: who is closest? (http://www.nslu2-linux.org/developers.php) |
| 23:43.50 | mickeyl | lennert |
| 23:44.03 | mickeyl | tbm and tiersten a bit further, but still close |
| 23:44.06 | mickeyl | it's in Brussels |
| 23:44.31 | rwhitby | I wonder if NAiL would make it down |
| 23:45.30 | mickeyl | it would be really good since you guys are the living example for OE not being handheld-centric any more |
| 23:45.51 | mickeyl | so if we could have a nslu2 on the device with some demo application it would rock |
| 23:45.57 | mickeyl | s/device/stand/ |
| 23:49.42 | rwhitby | mickeyl: we can definitely arrange for a device there. How about an Asterisk server ;-) |
| 23:50.10 | malverian | Is the Neo1973 going to support EDGE? |
| 23:50.36 | malverian | Nevermind. |
| 23:50.40 | malverian | Just read the spec page. |
| 23:51.36 | malverian | However, has anyone from FIC actually confirmed builtin Bluetooth? |
| 23:51.52 | malverian | Koen has been saying it will, but this spec page doesn't seem like it does. |
| 23:52.29 | mickeyl | rwhitby: that'd be cool! |
| 23:54.19 | stefan_schmidt | malverian: Just wait for annoucement on the website or ml. It's still time until january. |
| 23:54.50 | malverian | stefan_schmidt: So no one knows for sure? |
| 23:55.26 | stefan_schmidt | malverian: I jst know what i read. Keep cool. We will see. :) |
| 23:55.30 | mickeyl | malverian: it seems "undecided" yet @ FIC. we need to cross fingers and hope :) |
| 23:55.57 | stefan_schmidt | The problem is that my girlfriend don't like the design. ;) |
| 23:55.58 | mickeyl | although I'm not sure whether she likes the case finish |
| 23:56.01 | mickeyl | *nod* same here |
| 23:56.14 | mickeyl | ok, we need to convince FIC to produce a woman-compatible case ;) |
| 23:56.21 | stefan_schmidt | Why women can't see the sweet technical details. ;) |
| 23:56.32 | stefan_schmidt | pink? |
| 23:56.38 | mickeyl | eeks |
| 23:57.04 | stefan_schmidt | We can make a small tool turns the display black, so they can use it as mirror. |
| 23:57.32 | mickeyl | yeah, right. cliché time :D |
| 23:57.53 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 23:58.28 | mickeyl | personally I'd like to see the Neo1973 having the same type of case as the new archos video device |
| 23:58.38 | mickeyl | OpenMoko has this brushed metal background, so it'd be cool for the case, too |
| 23:58.43 | stefan_schmidt | Anybody knows how I can _really_ sync all contacts, notes, tasks from phone to pc and back? |
| 23:59.06 | stefan_schmidt | Sounds like a unsolved problem under linux for me. :( |
