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| 12:10.56 | daurnimator | yo |
| 12:18.38 | daurnimator | any1 here? |
| 12:18.51 | hrw | hi |
| 12:18.53 | hrw | morning |
| 12:19.03 | daurnimator | who leads this thing? |
| 12:19.15 | hrw | not me |
| 12:30.44 | daurnimator | well |
| 12:30.53 | daurnimator | what do we know about the openmoko? |
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| 12:46.43 | den-ros | hrw: hi :) |
| 12:47.09 | den-ros | daurnimator: Does you see this http://www.openmoko.com already. |
| 12:48.33 | daurnimator | of course |
| 12:48.37 | daurnimator | all 2 pages |
| 12:48.47 | daurnimator | with on info whatsoever |
| 12:48.54 | so_solid_moo | http://planet.openmoko.org/ is more useful |
| 12:48.56 | daurnimator | had a quick look @ the ml, |
| 12:49.10 | daurnimator | but, i've now been totally turned off cause of storage |
| 12:49.16 | daurnimator | (only micro SD) |
| 12:50.08 | hrw | wanted 2.5" hdd? |
| 12:50.19 | daurnimator | CF slot (microdrive) |
| 12:50.23 | daurnimator | or 1.8" |
| 12:50.41 | hrw | in small phone... |
| 12:51.10 | daurnimator | sure |
| 12:52.31 | hrw | I would prefer big flash (256M+) or normal sd/mmc instead of cf |
| 12:52.59 | daurnimator | of course |
| 12:53.08 | daurnimator | but, CF would be best IMO |
| 12:53.17 | daurnimator | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.36 | hrw | 1. its big |
| 12:53.39 | hrw | 2. take power |
| 12:53.48 | xorAxAx | as it will be a usb host, you'll be able to attach your 300 GB external usb hard drive |
| 12:53.59 | hrw | 3. I do not know does samsung s3xxxxx cpu handle CF at all |
| 12:54.25 | Buffet | 2gb micro sd card should be enuf for most cases |
| 12:54.28 | xorAxAx | that should satisfy your requirements |
| 12:54.58 | Buffet | and soon there will most likely be 4gb and even 8gb cards of that form factor |
| 12:55.52 | Buffet | den-ros: you're in Russia? |
| 12:59.03 | den-ros | Buffet: Yes. |
| 12:59.52 | den-ros | Buffet: And You? |
| 13:00.25 | Buffet | den-ros: me too =) |
| 13:01.23 | den-ros | Buffet: From what city? |
| 13:01.56 | Buffet | den-ros: iz Moskvy |
| 13:02.10 | daurnimator | uh |
| 13:02.15 | den-ros | Buffet: Me too. |
| 13:02.24 | daurnimator | i don't particulary want to carry an external enclosure with me |
| 13:02.26 | den-ros | Buffet: Sokolniki. |
| 13:03.23 | daurnimator | i just want somethign with CF or 1.8" |
| 13:03.28 | daurnimator | and it seems like i'm not gonna get it here |
| 13:04.25 | hrw | daurnimator: phone or pda? |
| 13:06.12 | [g2] | daurnimator the micro SDs come with a SD carrier so it can be used in any SD slot |
| 13:07.46 | [g2] | imho a full-sized SD slot on a phone is a total waste of space (yes my A780 has a micro SD slot and I've got a 256 and 1G card) |
| 13:08.20 | [g2] | the 1G card is in the carrier in the Palm that has a full SD slot |
| 13:11.02 | [g2] | anybody know how to edit / merge mp3 files from a command line ? I want to be able to do something like -10 seconds from the end of file A gets merged with the first minute of file B from the command line ? |
| 13:12.00 | daurnimator | [g2]: 1gb just ain't enough |
| 13:12.25 | [g2] | daurnimator they make 2G now |
| 13:12.34 | [g2] | I think there may be a 4G too |
| 13:13.03 | daurnimator | still... too expensive in micro sd |
| 13:14.08 | hrw | when it comes to price it would best it will take 3.5" hdd ;d |
| 13:14.19 | gambler | this phone is interesting...but if it had wi-fi or bluetooth it would be amazing |
| 13:14.54 | [g2] | gambler it's amazing now :) I'm sure the next rev's will have wifi and the current phone is supposed to have BT |
| 13:14.59 | hrw | gambler: or irda |
| 13:15.06 | daurnimator | iy doesn't have wifi? |
| 13:15.09 | daurnimator | wtf :S |
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| 13:15.58 | den-ros | Maybe, it possible to connect external WiFi module with Neo usb. |
| 13:16.42 | [g2] | den-ros with a special cable as the USB connect isn't powered |
| 13:17.34 | gambler | Ive used irda and its fairly worthless |
| 13:18.03 | gambler | If the current phone has BT that will be very good |
| 13:18.31 | den-ros | (g2) Clear. It is right, that there is no used WiFi in case external powered WiFi. |
| 13:19.35 | den-ros | Does it exist already external bluethooth WiFi modules :) ? |
| 13:24.06 | [g2] | den-ros I think BT is going to be included |
| 13:24.41 | [g2] | Energizer makes a $19.95 unit that can recharge phones (mini usb connector) and outputs 5V |
| 13:25.05 | [g2] | so really it's just creating the right "bridge" connection |
| 13:26.09 | hrw | [g2]: expensive. I bought 220V -> 5V usb for less then 10$ |
| 13:26.09 | [g2] | I'd imagine a very small T type connector could do it with some extra components for power isolation / phone safety |
| 13:26.16 | den-ros | (g2) Yes. I mean use inner included bluetooth to connect throuth BT with some external bluethooth-WiFi (external powered) module. |
| 13:26.29 | [g2] | hrw this is portable and runs on 2AAs |
| 13:27.09 | hrw | ah |
| 13:27.33 | [g2] | den-ros a BT wifi bridge is interesting, but really doesn't make a lot of sense as USB 1.1 has nearly 6X the bw and 2.0 goes way faster |
| 13:27.54 | [g2] | I think the SD rates are pretty fast too |
| 13:28.26 | [g2] | from a universal connectivity perspective it is interesting |
| 13:28.38 | hrw | [g2]: on proper hardware proper SD/MMC cards can give 6MB/s |
| 13:29.08 | [g2] | hrw cool. That's 4-bit wide ? |
| 13:29.48 | hrw | [g2]: iirc yes |
| 13:30.08 | den-ros | hrw: I use CAPDASE (?) Chinize(?) 220V-5VUSB adapter AD-0024... very cheap ~3$... but work well. |
| 13:30.18 | hrw | [g2]: I'm not sure, but there are 8bit cards too |
| 13:30.57 | [g2] | hrw I'm guessing that's from handhelds |
| 13:31.31 | hrw | [g2]: omap based boards |
| 14:02.01 | buz | there are microsd like wifi cards |
| 14:02.09 | buz | they basically fit into microsd slots |
| 14:02.13 | buz | but are overlength |
| 14:02.29 | buz | but then you sacrifice all storage expansion |
| 14:04.41 | den-ros | buz: Interesting. |
| 14:05.35 | hrw | buz: and no linux drivers |
| 14:05.47 | buz | the minisd one claims to have linux drivers |
| 14:05.52 | buz | not sure if it has the same chipset or what |
| 14:11.03 | so_solid_moo | if you have wifi + nfs, storage becomes less of an issue :) |
| 14:29.32 | Buffet | we can't be sure that Neo will support SDIO though |
| 14:30.02 | koen | Buffet: on the software side we can |
| 14:30.19 | koen | Buffet: the SDIO specs are secret and there is no open driver |
| 14:30.40 | koen | hey hrw, long time no see ;) |
| 14:32.41 | hrw | hi koen |
| 14:32.52 | buz | but there are linux stacks |
| 14:32.59 | buz | not sure if they are open |
| 14:33.38 | koen | buz: they aren't |
| 14:33.38 | Buffet | any idea how much this micro sd wifi card will cost? |
| 14:33.48 | buz | about 100$ |
| 14:33.55 | buz | thats for the minisd one anyway |
| 14:34.19 | buz | http://www.spectec.com.tw/products_detal.asp?dptype=w1sdw822 |
| 14:34.23 | buz | lists linux support |
| 14:34.36 | buz | and i believe sdio is sdio so it should work with the micro one as well |
| 14:35.57 | koen | spectec and cguys only have binary blobs for 1 or 2 platforms |
| 14:36.10 | koen | so the claim 'linux support' is for 99.9% false |
| 14:36.18 | buz | yeah but samsung 2410 is one of them |
| 14:36.49 | koen | "Linux v2.418 on samsung 2410 / 2440" |
| 14:37.04 | buz | yeah whatever that means |
| 14:37.06 | koen | enjoy the year 2000 |
| 14:37.23 | buz | weeeell |
| 14:38.32 | buz | greenphone has minisd |
| 14:38.38 | buz | but greenphone is ridiculously expensive |
| 14:38.57 | koen | the greenphone is filled with closed-source crap |
| 14:39.52 | buz | it still more open than every other phone that currently ships |
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| 14:40.33 | koen | yeah, you only need to pay $1000 instead of $3000 to get sources you can't distributed |
| 14:41.22 | buz | you mean i can get symbian sources for 3000$ ;) |
| 14:42.25 | koen | sure, with a large NDA attached |
| 14:48.38 | MDK | hmm, I wonder what gtk version openmoko is based on |
| 14:49.08 | hrw | 2.6.10 probably |
| 14:49.32 | hrw | as this version was fastest one during first development |
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| 14:51.27 | MDK | fastest? |
| 14:51.31 | koen | yes |
| 14:51.35 | koen | it's gtk 2.6.x |
| 14:51.49 | MDK | yeah |
| 14:52.06 | koen | gtk >=2.8.x use cairo for drawing, which is hidiously slow due to the usage of floatingpoints |
| 14:52.33 | MDK | it's not only the floating points |
| 14:53.37 | buz | i wonder if someone will do a qt(opia) branch |
| 14:54.02 | hrw | buz: I hope not. atleast not <qtopia4 |
| 14:54.06 | MDK | for maemo, the biggest problem with 2.10 is fonts drawing |
| 14:54.15 | buz | well with 128M |
| 14:54.22 | buz | some will be tempted to run full KDE |
| 14:54.32 | koen | buz: and someone will run gentoo on it |
| 14:54.36 | MDK | since cairo drawing is not used that much anyways (pixmap engine) |
| 14:54.42 | koen | buz: you will always have idiots |
| 14:54.46 | buz | why |
| 14:54.53 | buz | i'd love a pocket kde ;) |
| 14:55.19 | koen | MDK: in OE gtk 2.10 doesn't have a problem with font drawing |
| 14:55.35 | buz | then again some keep claiming that i AM an idiot |
| 14:56.04 | MDK | problem in a sense -> performance hit |
| 14:57.01 | koen | that's why OE uses http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.10.6/pangoxft2.10.6.diff |
| 14:57.46 | MDK | oh, that's interesting |
| 14:58.47 | MDK | I wonder how old the OE project is |
| 14:59.25 | MDK | they kinda appeared out of nothing |
| 14:59.27 | MDK | at least for me |
| 15:00.32 | hrw | MDK: over 3 year |
| 15:00.33 | hrw | s |
| 15:01.26 | MDK | comparable to osso |
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| 15:26.11 | xorAxAx | koen: looks like a monster patch |
| 15:28.54 | koen | xorAxAx: yes, but it does its job |
| 15:29.14 | koen | I hope the plans for an 'embedded' branch in the gtk+ cvs have some result |
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| 15:38.50 | OlmLorphos | cheers |
| 15:39.47 | OlmLorphos | The first model won't have bluetooth, or will it? |
| 15:40.26 | koen | they will |
| 15:40.30 | koen | see the mailinglist |
| 15:40.52 | OlmLorphos | i checked the archive but it was somewhat confusing |
| 15:41.21 | OlmLorphos | on wednesday there was an email "Preliminary spec will come tomorrow" but I don't see it on the list |
| 15:41.32 | Buffet | exact sspecs of the first-gen Neo should be posted to the main page soon |
| 15:58.25 | OlmLorphos | I was going to get a S/// M600i.. but this looks like more fun. |
| 16:06.15 | OlmLorphos | is the screen a truecolor screen? |
| 16:34.12 | [g2] | heh OE the "overnight success" :) |
| 16:34.42 | [g2] | like the rock bands the play the clubs for 10 years then are an "overnight" success |
| 16:42.15 | xorAxAx | its all about marketing :) |
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| 19:45.48 | cephdon | overnight success makes sense to me. People (myself included) are finally getting what they have been looking for. |
| 21:37.20 | MDK | yeah, it might stir the market a little |
| 21:37.28 | MDK | what's always good |
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| 21:47.56 | gcorriga | hi all |
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