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| 16:28.09 | prpplague | drath: greetings |
| 16:28.26 | prpplague | drath: you have admin access to the berlios svn repo of openocd? |
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| 16:35.58 | Kupop | i'm not sure if i have installed openocd correctly |
| 16:36.31 | Kupop | when i run it in ubuntu 9, i get "error target.c handle_target_command(): target 'create' not found |
| 16:36.40 | Kupop | did it not build? |
| 16:37.07 | Kebianizao|work | Kupop: where did you install it from? |
| 16:37.20 | Kupop | svn |
| 16:37.25 | Kebianizao|work | revision? |
| 16:37.47 | Kupop | rev 309 |
| 16:37.58 | Kebianizao|work | 309¿? |
| 16:38.06 | Kupop | although I may have accidently installed it using ubuntu's package manager in the past |
| 16:38.17 | Kebianizao|work | we are on 2500 or so |
| 16:38.22 | Kupop | oh right |
| 16:38.49 | Kupop | the guide I was reading said the current version wasn't working with the target I am using |
| 16:39.00 | Kupop | but that webpage may be years old :) |
| 16:39.07 | Kupop | ok I will try the latest version |
| 16:39.29 | drath | prpplague: yeah, i just saw your mail |
| 16:39.32 | drath | prpplague: i have admin access |
| 16:39.41 | drath | prpplague: do you have a command line for me? |
| 16:39.47 | prpplague | drath: yea, one sec |
| 16:44.11 | prpplague | drath: svndump dump path/to/repo --revision 0:729 > openocd-svn.dump |
| 16:44.12 | Kupop | do I still need a line like this: /configure --enable-ft2232_ftd2xx --with-ftd2xx=/home/user/libftd2xx --prefix=/usr |
| 16:44.12 | Kupop | if I want to use the FTDI binary driver? |
| 16:45.35 | Kebianizao|work | Kupop: why using it? |
| 16:45.48 | Kupop | instead of the open source driver? |
| 16:46.07 | Kupop | because people say the open source one dosent work with the luminary boards |
| 16:46.14 | Kebianizao|work | well, I would avoid it on the first try, it's less tested and AFAIK performance isn't that better |
| 16:46.26 | Kebianizao|work | Kupop: why not? |
| 16:46.29 | Kupop | ok I will have a go |
| 16:46.50 | Kupop | dunno, I am just reading other people's experiences |
| 16:46.52 | Kebianizao|work | Kupop: BTW, if you are in doubt I would take the debian package and build it yourself |
| 16:47.14 | Kebianizao|work | it's a little dated with respect to trunk but may be enough in your case |
| 16:47.15 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: the ftd2xx is faster and the open source lib does have problems with a number of SoC's including some cortex-m3 boards such as the luminary |
| 16:47.30 | Kebianizao|work | prpplague: how much faster? |
| 16:47.40 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: on average about 20% faster |
| 16:48.04 | Kebianizao|work | umm, not bad I'd like to try it but not very high priority on my queue |
| 16:48.22 | drath | prpplague: svnadmin maybe? there's no svndump on my Ubuntu |
| 16:49.09 | prpplague | drath: ahh yea sorry typo, trying to do many things at once |
| 16:49.15 | prpplague | drath: svnadmin dump path/to/repo --revision 0:729 > openocd-svn.dump |
| 16:49.19 | prpplague | drath: my bad, hehe |
| 16:52.13 | prpplague | drath: i'm not sure how big that dump file is going to get |
| 16:52.50 | drath | prpplague: ah, this is something i have to run on the svn server? |
| 16:52.56 | prpplague | drath: i'm guessing about 60mb |
| 16:53.09 | prpplague | drath: yea |
| 16:53.58 | prpplague | drath: we can of course do it without the history, but the history would be really nice to have |
| 16:55.51 | drath | prpplague: no problem, it's working |
| 16:55.56 | Kebianizao|work | prpplague: I guess you are aware you could also do that with some DVCS like git or mercurial, clone locally, and commit into the new (forked) repository |
| 16:56.38 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: the svn server is an older one that doesn't support the replay command |
| 16:57.23 | Kupop | is gone, autoaway/10m (l!on) |
| 16:57.24 | Kebianizao|work | prpplague: ahh, that's it, I was going to mention that :) |
| 16:57.57 | Kebianizao|work | anyway stupid replay as it's called by hgsubversion tend to work, but it hurts :P |
| 16:58.29 | Kebianizao|work | I was going to ask if anyone has an idea when svn server was going to be upgraded on berlios, other VCS are quite more recent |
| 16:59.24 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: no clue on that, but the openocd-redux will be svn anyway |
| 17:00.19 | Kebianizao|work | yes, no problem with svn, but decent and recent svn server would be quite needed IMHO |
| 17:01.30 | prpplague | indeed |
| 17:02.22 | drath | prpplague: it's 7mb bz2 - let me know how you want it (mail?), gotta get something to eat... |
| 17:02.47 | prpplague | drath: let me get a place setup for you to upload it |
| 17:07.38 | Kebianizao|work | prpplague: I wonder how you are going to handle complex configurations like beagle board or such |
| 17:10.19 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: the only reason the OMAP3 is complex is because so much crap was added openocd that it was a nightmare to retrofit the features |
| 17:11.17 | Kebianizao|work | well, you need to address each tap and then make icepick aware of the taps available |
| 17:11.43 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: hehe, i'm very very very very aware of what has to occur on the ICEPICK, hehe |
| 17:11.54 | Kebianizao|work | there's some scripting used for that |
| 17:12.01 | Kebianizao|work | prpplague: :) why is that? |
| 17:12.49 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: because i was the one that collected most of the data from TI, build the hardware for jtag interface to the beagle, and reverse engineered most of the function calls needed to talk to the ICEPICK |
| 17:13.06 | Kebianizao|work | hehe, that's great to know :) |
| 17:13.24 | Kebianizao|work | and did TI provided all that info, let's say, easily? |
| 17:13.33 | prpplague | no |
| 17:13.40 | Kebianizao|work | I feared that |
| 17:13.56 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: it took about 6 months to collect enough information to get to the point where actual dev work could be done |
| 17:14.12 | Kebianizao|work | there's little published about that, to focus just on omap which is the one that's supported then best wirh free SW |
| 17:14.39 | Kebianizao|work | lucky that you got it, reverse engineering that would be a hell |
| 17:14.45 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: i am sorry, i did not understand your statement |
| 17:15.15 | Kebianizao|work | yes, I meant that there's little documentation about the internals of JTAG taps on TI chips |
| 17:15.36 | Kebianizao|work | being the OMAP arch the one that's best supported with free SW, like openocd (and maybe others) |
| 17:15.39 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: ahh indeed |
| 17:15.55 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: very little free documentation |
| 17:16.10 | Kebianizao|work | well, TBH that's not only happenning with TI but with the rest of manufacturers |
| 17:16.25 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: TI has an emulation association which you can pay dues for and get 100% docs |
| 17:16.38 | Kebianizao|work | well, they don't even had to give doc for free, just disclose it to the ppl who will actually do the work |
| 17:17.05 | Kebianizao|work | prpplague: do you have an idea how much would that be? ($) |
| 17:17.21 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: min amount is $1500USD for one year |
| 17:17.25 | prpplague | iirc |
| 17:17.33 | Kebianizao|work | I see |
| 17:17.43 | Kebianizao|work | and there's still the DSP to address :P |
| 17:19.36 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: yea |
| 17:19.52 | prpplague | has been doing jtag for a long time |
| 17:20.32 | Kebianizao|work | I've seen that TI jtag IF may be addressed with a regular jtag one with some pinout changes |
| 17:21.09 | Kebianizao|work | don't know if that work, but if it does maybe the next wall would be supporting the instruction set on the jtag SW |
| 17:21.26 | Kebianizao|work | is not that experienced but still interested |
| 17:21.46 | prpplague | http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16144&cat=0&page=1&featured |
| 17:21.52 | prpplague | my stuff |
| 17:22.09 | Kebianizao|work | ahh, I think I've seen this |
| 17:22.11 | Kebianizao|work | rechecks |
| 17:22.17 | prpplague | let me rephrase that, i did the design work, belongs to tincantools |
| 17:22.31 | Kebianizao|work | ok hehe :) |
| 17:23.23 | Kebianizao|work | is that ft232 based? |
| 17:23.30 | prpplague | http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16134&cat=0&page=1&featured |
| 17:23.37 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:23.50 | prpplague | the flyswatter was one of the first ft2232 based boards openocd supported |
| 17:24.06 | Kebianizao|work | let me guess who did that work ... :) |
| 17:24.21 | prpplague | bows |
| 17:25.30 | prpplague | drath: i guess go ahead and try to email it to me |
| 17:25.37 | prpplague | drath: try sending it to my yahoo account |
| 17:25.42 | prpplague | drath: dave123_aml@yahoo.com |
| 17:25.42 | Kebianizao|work | I'll take a better look at both, but TBH my aim right now is the DSP |
| 17:26.29 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: yea, the flyswatter was really designed for device driver debugging and board bringup |
| 17:27.17 | Kebianizao|work | "USB 2.0 Full Speed device (12 Mbits/sec" ? I think this is wrong |
| 17:27.56 | prpplague | nope that is correct |
| 17:28.20 | Kebianizao|work | ah, then maybe I thought about high speed |
| 17:28.26 | Kebianizao|work | nevermind |
| 17:30.16 | Kebianizao|work | does this one support RCLK? |
| 17:30.28 | prpplague | yea, it is USB2.0 compliant, but only at 12Mbits |
| 17:30.43 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: no, future models will |
| 17:31.18 | Kebianizao|work | I'm using right now olimex one, pinout is different in this one, I thought there was a general pinout for jtag which olimex followed |
| 17:31.51 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: there are a number of jtag pinouts determined by the specific cpu core |
| 17:31.53 | Kebianizao|work | ahh, excuse me again, this is the 14pin version |
| 17:32.04 | drath | prpplague: the mail is on its way |
| 17:32.08 | prpplague | drath: thanks |
| 17:32.14 | drath | prpplague: might take a while |
| 17:32.32 | prpplague | drath: np, i'll keep an eye out for it |
| 17:32.47 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: http://www.elinux.org/JTAG |
| 17:32.59 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: there a doc on the page with some of the common pinouts for jtag |
| 17:33.17 | Kebianizao|work | I think my statement was based on that doc somehow :) |
| 17:33.40 | Kebianizao|work | there's a lot of things I already need to learn |
| 17:34.09 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: i say the same thing everyday |
| 17:34.25 | Kebianizao|work | only that you started saying before me ;) |
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| 17:35.08 | Kebianizao|work | well, IMHO hardware is more or less there, point now is more on software |
| 17:37.10 | prpplague | indeed |
| 17:38.30 | Kebianizao|work | prpplague: now that I read openocd newish dm365 support I guess you should know well david brownell |
| 17:39.51 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: yea david does good work |
| 17:40.14 | Kebianizao|work | well, enough messing with you this evening, it's time I leave you alone :P |
| 17:40.24 | prpplague | Kebianizao|work: okie dokie |
| 17:40.34 | prpplague | goes back to waiting for wince to compile |
| 17:41.16 | Kebianizao|work | bye |
| 17:42.45 | dirk2 | discovers http://elinux.org/Openocd-Redux and wonders if there shouldn't be more content ;) |
| 17:44.52 | prpplague | dirk2: just started the project last week, working on getting the svn repo up |
| 17:45.16 | prpplague | dirk2: will be hosted at linuxtogo.org |
| 17:50.20 | prpplague | dirk2: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/projects/openocd-redux/ |
| 17:50.29 | prpplague | dirk2: you are welcome to join the project if you are interested |
| 17:54.16 | dirk2 | prpplague: I added some content: http://elinux.org/Openocd-Redux Please correct if something is wrong or you don't like it :) |
| 17:54.24 | prpplague | dirk2: will do |
| 17:54.33 | prpplague | dirk2: how did you find the page? |
| 17:55.28 | dirk2 | Which one? The linuxtog link you posted it some days ago, and the elinux one from the recent changes from elinux |
| 17:55.47 | prpplague | the elinux page |
| 17:55.57 | prpplague | dirk2: ahh |
| 17:56.16 | prpplague | dirk2: thanks for the content |
| 17:56.21 | prpplague | dirk2: looks good for a start |
| 17:56.57 | dirk2 | is the revision r729 still correct? |
| 17:58.23 | prpplague | yea, thats where we are going to start |
| 18:01.19 | dirk2 | At the weekend I tested Dave's BeagleBoard script changes, and they seem to work. Now someone has to do Cortex A8 support. I think I stay with recent trunk and wait for that ;) |
| 18:01.43 | prpplague | dirk2: yea i figured as much |
| 18:01.59 | prpplague | dirk2: it will be awhile before we get all the ICEPick stuff into redux |
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| 18:02.27 | prpplague | dirk2: i'm less concerned about bleeding edge and more about stability and usability |
| 18:14.13 | prpplague | drath: hmm, nothing yet, i'm guessing it failed |
| 18:14.48 | prpplague | drath: http://filebin.ca/ |
| 18:14.54 | prpplague | drath: can you upload it there? |
| 18:18.13 | drath | prpplague: hold on, i'll put it on my httpd |
| 18:18.21 | prpplague | drath: oh that would be great |
| 18:18.35 | prpplague | marks down some notes to buy drath lots of beer |
| 18:18.56 | drath | prpplague: http://mmd.ath.cx/openocd-svn-0-729.dump.bz2 |
| 18:19.19 | drath | prpplague: heh, this is the land of beer and pretzels... i never had to experience any shortage of beer ;) |
| 18:19.49 | prpplague | drath: hehe |
| 18:35.26 | drath | it would be nice if only prpplague downloaded the file. if someone else needs it we can set up a dedicated spot, but my dsl upstream is having a hard time right now |
| 18:35.59 | prpplague | drath: who else is downloading? |
| 18:36.41 | prpplague | drath: might be our proxy server, it was giving me troubles |
| 18:36.53 | prpplague | drath: i'm all done now |
| 18:36.57 | prpplague | drath: checking the file |
| 18:37.04 | drath | prpplague: ok |
| 18:38.32 | prpplague | drath: loading now on my local box to make sure we got everything |
| 18:39.25 | dirk2 | drath: sorry, I accidently clicked on the link. But I hope I stopped it fast enought ;) Sorry if not |
| 18:42.07 | prpplague | drath: yep looks good |
| 18:42.18 | drath | dirk2: heh, no problem, just thought i'd give you guys a notice |
| 18:42.39 | drath | dirk2: as i said, if anyone needs it we could just as well put it on the openocd webpage |
| 18:42.55 | dirk2 | drath: I don't need it ;) |
| 18:46.44 | roxfan | prpplague: maybe you should clarify the issue with linking to ftdi dlls for your project, right now there a big flamewar about it in the main ML |
| 18:47.30 | prpplague | roxfan: what is the issue? |
| 18:47.55 | drath | prpplague: I silently accepted OpenOCD to be linked against the binary only FTD2XX lib |
| 18:48.46 | prpplague | drath: and now folks are complaining that it is in violation of the GPL to do so? |
| 18:49.00 | drath | prpplague: yeah... |
| 18:49.52 | drath | prpplague: i just wrote to the list that i had no intention to enforce the gpl if someone were to link against ftd2xx as it was a pragmatic solution while libftdi provided a "clean solution" |
| 18:50.47 | prpplague | drath: yea, i prefer open source any day |
| 18:55.03 | drath | prpplague: but as I see it anyone who wanted to enforce the OpenOCD's GPL license would need my help, with me being the original copyright holder... |
| 18:55.33 | prpplague | drath: indeed |
| 18:59.05 | drath | prpplague: i'm off |
| 18:59.08 | drath | prpplague: bye |
| 18:59.14 | prpplague | drath: thanks a bunch |
| 18:59.16 | prpplague | drath: later |
| 19:08.31 | roxfan | prpplague: here's a typical email from yesterday https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/openocd-development/2009-June/008346.html |
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| 19:16.08 | prpplague | roxfan: yea well zack can have his opinion |
| 19:17.19 | prpplague | dirk2: svn is up - http://projects.linuxtogo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=openocd-redux |
| 19:18.51 | roxfan | but he might be right... so if you want to continue linking to those dlls maybe you better ask all contributors to your tree to approve an exception |
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| 19:20.06 | prpplague | roxfan: as long as i'm not distributing binaries, its not my problem, as far as i am concerned |
| 19:20.14 | roxfan | true |
| 19:20.44 | roxfan | but if you want your project actually used maybe you should think about it :) |
| 19:20.47 | prpplague | roxfan: i'll put a note up that the libftdi is the prefered library |
| 19:21.24 | prpplague | roxfan: right now, me an about 3 other people are the only ones i'm interested, if other people want to use it, thats fine |
| 19:22.28 | prpplague | roxfan: thing about getting the exception or removing the D2XX lib suppprt? |
| 19:22.44 | prpplague | s/thing/think |
| 19:23.05 | roxfan | the former |
| 19:23.56 | prpplague | roxfan: that would take much more time and political effect than i am willing to do, i simply want working code |
| 19:27.38 | prpplague | roxfan: this type of bickering is what keeps linux and open source software second rate at best |
| 19:31.11 | prpplague | roxfan: more than half of the professional linux kernel developers don't even use a linux based platform for development |
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