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13:21.26[g2]~ugt
13:21.31purlrumour has it, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
13:22.17lennerterik mouw always says 'gug', 'generalised utc greeting'
13:24.16[g2]ahh
13:24.26[g2]I see that in #netfilter all the time
13:24.42lennertright
13:24.44AchiestDragonhi  , seems to work also :)
13:24.49[g2]heh
13:24.57[g2]now I'll know what it means
13:46.49lennertka6sox: is there any way to specify in the .ucf file that a pin should be inverted?
13:59.18lennertka6sox: or a pullup/pulldown?  in what doc file can i find this stuff?
14:03.31vmasterit's about 2 hours too early for ka6sox
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15:47.27ka6soxlennert, yes
15:47.39ka6soxand Vmaster is right.
15:48.42ka6soxoh....Morning
15:49.08lennertka6sox: ok, so how do i do that? :)
15:50.06lennertka6sox: as to the fm modulator, i'm cleaning it up and checking it in now
15:50.42ka6soxlennert, thansk
15:51.19ka6soxI'm diggin up the one where I had to define it as inverted and defined with pullups.
15:51.52lennerti want pin X to be pulled up iff it's not referenced anywhere in the top entity
15:52.50ka6soxucf isn't that smart.
15:53.09lennertsilly ucf
15:53.17ka6sox:)
15:53.21lennertthe 'default' pullup/pulldown params are set in the .ut file
15:53.36lennertbut that's not good enough for me, i want to choose pullup/pulldown on a per-pin basis
15:53.39lennert:)
15:53.49ka6soxthe UCF does do that.
15:54.13ka6soxbut the UCF is independent of any Entity declarations.
15:54.22ka6soxUniversal Constraint File
15:54.25lennertwell, ucf sets location/io standard/drive strength/slew rate
15:54.31lennertwhich is what i use it for
15:54.42lennertbut i want to be able to name pins that i don't use
15:54.53lennert(so that if i do start using them in the top entity, they'll use the right pins)
15:55.01lennertand i want to set default direction/pullup/pulldown
15:55.08lennert(so that if i don't use a pin, it'll be set to the right level)
15:55.21ka6soxI've always had to comment and uncomment pins depending on what was going on in the vhd files.
15:56.08lennerti hate that
15:57.45ka6soxits not fun but its the way :(
15:58.04ka6soxlemme sound revelie here....
15:58.17lennertiow xilinx sucks
15:58.28ka6soxI need to wakeup the troops.
15:58.41lennertwell, you _can_ add unused pins to the ucf, you just have to tell some tool (map?) to ignore unused constraints
16:01.02ka6soxthe docs have been clear as mud on that point
16:01.13lennertmost xilinx docs are clear as mud
16:01.21lennerti spent days getting the stupid systemace to work
16:01.35lennertand it turned out that it was much much simpler than the docs wanted you to believe
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16:03.59velinp~seen ka6sox
16:04.01purlka6sox is currently on #openjtag. Has said a total of 30 messages. Is idling for 2m 59s, last said: 'the docs have been clear as mud on that point'.
16:04.02ka6soxlike I said...clear as mud
16:04.23ka6soxcoffee...beb
16:04.46AchiestDragonhmm coffee ,,, brb
16:06.57ka6soxback...with Joe
16:07.09ka6soxmorning velinp
16:07.24velinphi; Joe your boy?
16:07.36ka6soxJoe is slang for Coffee
16:08.05velinpsorry; didn't know that; good to see wendy and bob in good health now
16:08.14ka6soxI'm glad too.
16:08.41ka6soxis Velnas beating the hard drive to death yet?
16:09.01velinpthat was yesterday; it's now uploading as mad;
16:09.57ka6soxI should check the status on buildd.net and see if it shows Bob building
16:10.16velinpprevious session, too  (because i had to reset it and misled you into a reboot of bob; sorry); bob: libcrypto++_5.2.1c2a-2
16:10.52ka6soxbob acutally was idle for 2 weeks
16:11.08ka6soxeveryone thought that he was doing something but he was not
16:11.16ka6soxthe reboot "fixed" it
16:11.50velinpthat's good; want to forward wouter mail?
16:12.01velinps/wouter/wouter's/
16:12.09ka6soxdo you have one?
16:12.13ka6soxya please do
16:13.12ka6soxwhen wendy is done we will have the correct libboost for monotone in the db
16:13.36ka6soxlennert: somebody needs to write a Xilinx Doc interpreter.
16:13.51lennertka6sox: rewriting the xilinx docs would be easier ;)
16:14.01ka6soxtrue
16:14.35ka6soxwhen I was first starting I would use the little light bulb examples.
16:14.51ka6soxgot my systemACE but havent' installed it.
16:15.44lennertit came with my xupv2p board ;)
16:15.55lennertsome idiot soldered it on before they sent it to me
16:17.34lennerthttp://svn.wantstofly.org/vhdl/template_xupv2p/ has the necessary bits and pieces to go from .vhd to .ace all from the linux command line
16:17.40lennertyou do need an ISE license installed, though
16:17.49lennert(for the xc2vp30)
16:18.01lennertworks quite nicely here with the compactflash
16:18.07ka6soxI haven't had time to install the SDK yet
16:20.51ka6soxRL keeps getting in the way
16:20.55lennertthe fluke has AC frequency measurement, and the fm modulator does indeed produce the desired frequencies
16:21.01lennertka6sox: tell RL to wait a few days ;)
16:21.14ka6soxokay...I'll do that!
16:21.30lennert;-)
16:21.33ka6soxmaybe when I'm in Hawaii
16:22.55lennertka6sox: how do i sign-extend something in vhdl?
16:23.35ka6soxnever done it.
16:23.49lennerti'll just replicate the MSB
16:23.49ka6soxunless I use a sign bit (separate register)
16:24.05lennertblah(7) & blah(7) & blah(7) & blah(7) & blah(7 downto 0)
16:24.30ka6soxyep.
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16:25.09ka6soxI told him that the discussion about build machines for armeb was best done in #debonaras.
16:25.16lennertyeah
16:25.18lennertit's better there
16:27.04ka6soxare you still using the webpack at all?
16:28.57lennertnope
16:29.04lennertjust ise now
16:29.10lennerti borrowed my s3 board to a friend
16:29.18lennertas the xupv2p works fine now
16:29.24ka6soxya.
16:30.37vmasterheh, gotta love xilinx - ise 8.1i is about a month now, and the first service pack has ~100mb
16:31.23ka6soxI saw that :P
16:32.26lennertlatest i have is 7.1i
16:33.06ka6soxmine is still in the box.
16:33.28ka6soxtime to roust the munchkin.
16:42.20ka6soxmunchkin rousted
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16:56.04vmasteras far as i know 8.1i has a native gui for linux
16:56.23vmasterthey finally got rid of that wind/u nonsense
16:57.40lennertthe wind/u name is so corny
16:58.04lennerti won't voluntarily go back to using the gui any time soon
16:58.08lennerteven if they rewrite it a million times
17:02.42vmasterheh, well, i prefer an ide for development work - helps me find where i put my stuff
17:03.08ka6soxme too
17:03.18ka6soxespecially large projects
17:03.37ka6soxback in a few hours (family going for an outing)
17:04.14vmasterhave fun
17:07.19lennerti just can't work with IDEs
17:07.28lennertvi + make are my tools of choice
17:07.39lennertand grep if i get seriously lost
17:08.03ka6sox"real programmers don't use ide's????"
17:08.30lennertdunno, i'm only a fake programmer :)
17:10.16ka6soxmakes 2 of us
17:24.20AchiestDragongrrr vi ,, dont like ide's ether but kate is a cool editor for coding with
17:29.55lennertwish i had a scope
17:29.55lennertka6sox: you got a scope?
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17:31.42lennertdamn, he's gone
17:31.51lennertanyone else here with a scope that has the xupv2p board?
18:51.40lennertka6sox: i have the fm modulator mostly checked in, see http://svn.wantstofly.org/vhdl/dsp/
18:52.18lennertka6sox: for some reason it's very hissy, not sure yet why
18:52.34lennertka6sox: it used to work okay, i think i botched something in the cleanup
18:53.25lennertuhm
18:53.39lennertmaybe because i have MSB/LSB bits in the wrong order :P
18:55.57lennertat least for the 'red' pins
19:09.18lennertsounds much better now
19:22.30AchiestDragonka6sox: ping
19:41.43AchiestDragonka6sox: http://www.whipy.demon.co.uk/22012006.zip  ,  latest schematics and pcb artwork ,,just its config , voltage regs and smothing caps to do now
21:23.09ka6soxAchiestDragon, thanks
21:33.35lennertka6sox: you're back!
21:34.16ka6soxyes..bbqing now
21:34.30lennertka6sox: did you see my fm link?
21:34.43ka6soxyes did you correct the problem?
21:34.47ka6soxso should I pull now?
21:37.18lennertthe distortion problem is partially solved :-/
21:37.24lennertthere's still some noise
21:37.30lennertbut it might just be my 'antenna'
21:37.38lennertso yeah, you can pull now
21:37.48lennert(or just browse via http)
21:52.46lennertmaybe you can see what is the problem
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22:08.52ka6soxlennert, thanks...browsing
22:09.10lennertka6sox: have fun ;-)
22:09.22lennertka6sox: thanks for having a look
22:09.43ka6soxwhat machine did you build this for?
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22:09.50lennertxupv2p
22:10.04lennertthe digilent xc2vp30 board
22:10.10ka6soxk
22:10.17lennertso you should be able to run it
22:10.35lennertjust hook up a dipole antenna to {red, red ground} on the vga connector
22:14.44ka6soxokay I can do that
22:19.57sinclair73dehi, after upgrading my Linksys NSLU2-ram to 128MB it seems to be dead. i can switch in on, but only the power led is on. nothing on the serial port. any idea before resolder the original rams? a jtag adapter is available.
22:21.36lennertsinclair73de: i think you'll need a new version of redboot... :-/
22:22.15NAiLwon't redboot boot with too much ram? I though it'd just not see the extra ram?
22:22.45NAiL(considering I'm gonna fatslug a slug tomorrow, it would be nice to know ;)
22:23.18lennerti'm not very sure how the memory controller on the xsc2 works
22:23.31lennerti _think_ you have to configure a rows/sec refresh rate
22:23.36lennert(but not sure..)
22:25.03AwayNAiLoff to debianize another slug
22:34.19sinclair73deNAil: i think this too...
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