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| 17:02.23 | kas11 | [g2] it appears my bookmarks.html went to /dev/null when I got irritated about how Ubuntu dealt with my partition table and dumped it again in favor of Fedora...please send me the link to you gizmo again when you get a chance ;) |
| 17:03.41 | lennert | [g2]: www.giantshoulderinc.com ? |
| 17:03.44 | lennert | whoops |
| 17:03.49 | lennert | ka6sox: www.giantshoulderinc.com ? |
| 17:03.52 | lennert | waaaaah |
| 17:03.57 | lennert | kas11: www.giantshoulderinc.com ? |
| 17:04.00 | lennert | there |
| 17:04.03 | kas11 | thanks, lennert :) |
| 17:04.37 | ByronT | "if at first you don't succeed, try, try again....." |
| 17:05.01 | lennert | ByronT: indeed :) |
| 17:05.03 | lennert | kas11: np |
| 17:07.15 | kas11 | 'tis what I get for buying a cheap,flakey usb enclosure and stuffing a 300 gb drive in it :( |
| 17:08.50 | [g2] | lennert that's it thx |
| 17:08.57 | [g2] | hey kas11 |
| 17:09.06 | kas11 | ;) @ [g2] |
| 17:09.09 | lennert | yes, hello kas11, by the way |
| 17:09.33 | kas11 | hiya, lennert...nice to see ya'll |
| 17:09.33 | [g2] | lennert has very good manners |
| 17:09.47 | kas11 | indeed @ [g2] |
| 17:09.59 | lennert | [g2]: that's just a rumor |
| 17:12.22 | lennert | i'm also trying to rid my parents-in-law's pc from spyware, adware, viruses and trojans, and that's proving more fun than i seem to be able to handle at once |
| 17:12.38 | kas11 | I see someone got ambitious and hacked the x1205 driver into shape and submitted it |
| 17:14.49 | kas11 | *LOL* @ lennert ... when someone asks me to work on a windoze box, I tell them I am trying to quit smoking so I can't handle the frustration...you can insert any other vice as appropriate :) |
| 17:15.35 | lennert | i could do that, but there's noone else here that can do it |
| 17:15.42 | lennert | family-in-law doesn't speak english, you see |
| 17:16.01 | lennert | and well.. i do use this box every now and then so i'd like it to be clean :) |
| 17:16.07 | kas11 | drinking might work too...but in my case nobody would believe it ;) |
| 17:16.14 | lennert | but yeah, i've been busy for about seven hours now |
| 17:16.24 | lennert | kas11: why, you don't drink, or you'll never stop drinking? :) |
| 17:16.37 | lennert | if you say here you're trying to stop drinking, they'll pour you one |
| 17:16.48 | lennert | and say "let's drink to your last drink" or somesuch |
| 17:17.49 | vmaster | heh, let's go to lithuania then, right? |
| 17:17.53 | kas11 | I only drink occasionally....but only I know that...and how often occasions come up *grin* |
| 17:19.11 | lennert | kas11: hehe |
| 17:19.54 | lennert | vmaster: you don't need that as an excuse though? :) |
| 17:21.56 | vmaster | heh, no, but i'm sure it helps |
| 17:23.12 | lennert | cold winters is a good excuse too |
| 17:38.38 | [g2] | time to get a little exercise |
| 17:38.42 | [g2] | bbiab |
| 17:39.06 | [g2] | lennert BTW are you running grouter our ulogd 2.0 at all ? |
| 17:45.45 | lennert | [g2]: sorry? |
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| 19:17.58 | ka6sox | hiya kas11 |
| 19:19.06 | kas11 | hey ka6sox ;) |
| 19:19.18 | ka6sox | good to see ya :) |
| 19:21.24 | [g2] | lennert do you use netfilter at all ? |
| 19:21.32 | [g2] | are just the NPEs |
| 19:21.39 | [g2] | s/are/or/ |
| 19:21.49 | lennert | yes, i use netfilter on my home router |
| 19:21.56 | lennert | but i don't use ulogd since i don't log firewall stuff |
| 19:21.58 | lennert | it's useless |
| 19:22.03 | lennert | there's so much nonsense coming in |
| 19:22.15 | [g2] | there's a new ulogd 2.0 |
| 19:22.20 | lennert | better just DROP those packets and don't let them clutter your log files |
| 19:22.29 | [g2] | nod on the DROP |
| 19:22.29 | lennert | okay, how is it better/different? |
| 19:23.11 | [g2] | well I didn't use the old ulogd, but they've got support for tracking connections and byte counts etc... per source |
| 19:23.42 | [g2] | grouter is Harald's 2.6.x based version of a tiny firewall router |
| 19:23.49 | [g2] | fits in 15MB flash |
| 19:24.04 | lennert | ah, nice |
| 19:24.07 | [g2] | He has it running on the Warp boards |
| 19:24.11 | lennert | i hope to see harald at fosdem |
| 19:24.13 | lennert | what is warp? |
| 19:24.18 | [g2] | I'm gonna bring it up on the Loft |
| 19:24.27 | [g2] | it's the PC Engines board |
| 19:24.39 | [g2] | MIPS based irrc |
| 19:24.42 | [g2] | iirc |
| 19:24.51 | [g2] | MIPS based irrc |
| 19:24.57 | [g2] | s/irrc/iirc/ |
| 19:24.58 | lennert | s/irrc/iirc/ |
| 19:25.05 | bullet | wrap board? that's a geode, afaik |
| 19:25.12 | [g2] | thx purl |
| 19:25.17 | lennert | wrap is a geode |
| 19:25.21 | lennert | yes |
| 19:25.25 | lennert | http://www.pcengines.ch/wrap.htm |
| 19:25.30 | lennert | bullet: thx |
| 19:25.40 | [g2] | ok geode yeah |
| 19:25.51 | [g2] | heh |
| 19:28.07 | lennert | kas11: thank you, thank you |
| 19:28.13 | lennert | kas11: the alcohol does make it easier |
| 19:28.35 | kas11 | ROTFLMAO |
| 19:32.40 | lennert | kas11: indeed |
| 19:33.11 | lennert | kas11: you ignore it for a while, and after a while, something beautiful has developed... or not |
| 19:35.03 | kas11 | especially if said box is equiped with one of those speedy Celerons...which are considered bull**** in these parts |
| 19:36.05 | lennert | bull excrement? |
| 19:37.26 | kas11 | uh huh...but we be Athlon 64 snobs around here :) |
| 19:38.33 | ka6sox | he he |
| 19:38.50 | ka6sox | I have a Celery box that I'm going to use as a main Server. |
| 19:39.23 | [g2] | ka6sox get a Loft :) |
| 19:39.50 | [g2] | man my typing is just _stellar_ today |
| 19:40.28 | ka6sox | me too |
| 19:45.24 | kas11 | reading this damn lkml makes me feel so inadequate :( |
| 19:46.49 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:47.01 | prpplague | kas11: i feel the same reading lak |
| 19:47.55 | kas11 | ;) @ prpplague |
| 19:53.47 | vmaster | heh, why guilty? |
| 19:53.51 | vmaster | it's just plain fun |
| 19:56.53 | kas11 | fun as long as you aren't the flamee...and I am much too polite^h^h^h^h^h^hclueless to be a flamor :) |
| 19:57.16 | lennert | why inadequate?? |
| 19:57.22 | lennert | who's inadequate here? |
| 20:01.04 | lennert | :) |
| 20:01.31 | lennert | anyone can be a kernel hackers.. it's just a matter of how much of your life you're willing to sacrifice to be one ;) |
| 20:01.54 | lennert | most kernel hackers have made their choice |
| 20:02.02 | lennert | most non-kernel hackers have made different choices |
| 20:02.22 | prpplague | lennert: i was mainly refering to my lack of skills |
| 20:02.48 | lennert | prpplague: that's a matter of dedication,though |
| 20:07.06 | prpplague | lennert: or genetics |
| 20:07.16 | lennert | well, i'm biased, but i don't agree |
| 20:07.25 | lennert | i believe you can be what you want to be if you work hard enough at it |
| 20:07.25 | prpplague | kas11: "her" ? |
| 20:07.33 | lennert | prpplague: kas11 is female |
| 20:07.52 | prpplague | didn't realize that |
| 20:07.59 | lennert | haha |
| 20:08.06 | lennert | well, forget about it quickly |
| 20:08.10 | prpplague | will do |
| 20:08.21 | lennert | kas11 has had a number of nasty remarks thrown her way because of it in the past |
| 20:08.37 | prpplague | lennert: i can imaging |
| 20:08.47 | kas11 | :) @ prpplague...I only let it slip in polite company |
| 20:08.53 | prpplague | not exactly something you'd adverstise |
| 20:09.06 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:09.47 | lennert | my other half is kind of a geek, but not a CS geek |
| 20:11.30 | lennert | when i just got a car i said i kind-of wondered how cars work, and she proceeded to explain me the otto cycle, how it different from a wankel engine, etc. |
| 20:11.30 | lennert | scary when that happens |
| 20:11.30 | [g2] | kas11 _ROCKS_! |
| 20:11.30 | prpplague | lennert: hehe |
| 20:11.48 | lennert | ~praise kas11 |
| 20:11.52 | purl | All hail kas11! |
| 20:11.52 | qbot | All Hail kas11! |
| 20:13.05 | kas11 | gotta keep some modicum of geek cred after all |
| 20:13.42 | lennert | hehe |
| 20:14.10 | lennert | you'd get the most geek cred by pretending not to understand compliments and any other kind of social protocol at all |
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| 20:33.55 | ka6sox | lennert, any word back from Fabrics? |
| 20:35.06 | lennert | ka6sox: not yet |
| 20:35.13 | lennert | ka6sox: i hope they'll reply at all |
| 20:37.18 | ka6sox | k |
| 20:37.28 | lennert | should i call them? |
| 20:37.42 | ka6sox | naw...just the email should be enough. |
| 20:38.16 | ka6sox | I will be seeing about 5 DD's in February...I think I"m not going to go for it. |
| 20:38.38 | lennert | 'not going to go for it'? |
| 20:38.51 | ka6sox | become an infrastructure dd |
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| 20:40.42 | lennert | i've been thinking many times about cancelling my NM application |
| 20:40.44 | [g2] | lennert I"ve got a video question for you |
| 20:40.56 | lennert | but then again.. right now, the BE buildds are just chugging away |
| 20:41.09 | lennert | even if only 90% of the archive is built for BE, that's an amazing number of packages |
| 20:43.12 | [g2] | lennert kitno455 is going to join us here in a couple minutes |
| 20:43.19 | lennert | who is that? |
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| 20:43.36 | kitno455 | re all |
| 20:43.39 | lennert | [g2]: yeah, and btw, thanks for that :) |
| 20:43.42 | kitno455 | for? |
| 20:43.57 | [g2] | he's the guy that baked off the components on the slug and power sanded to reveal the traces |
| 20:44.12 | kitno455 | yeah, i'm good a breaking shite |
| 20:44.30 | [g2] | kitno455 had a interesting thought about server support |
| 20:44.37 | kitno455 | i do? |
| 20:44.53 | [g2] | basically that the BIOS is not remote controllable by serial |
| 20:44.56 | lennert | kitno455: you are british? |
| 20:44.57 | kitno455 | right |
| 20:45.10 | kitno455 | no, lame ass american |
| 20:45.12 | kitno455 | :) |
| 20:45.27 | lennert | oh |
| 20:45.32 | lennert | not many lame ass americans say 'shite' |
| 20:45.33 | kitno455 | southern even |
| 20:45.37 | lennert | okay |
| 20:45.37 | kitno455 | hahah |
| 20:45.43 | lennert | maybe i'm just confused :) |
| 20:45.53 | [g2] | lennert I'm thinking about and S3 that plug into the keyboard port and video port and decodes VGA 640x480 and can send serial |
| 20:46.05 | kitno455 | no, no |
| 20:46.14 | kitno455 | you cant decode the vga |
| 20:46.21 | [g2] | sure you can |
| 20:46.24 | lennert | why not? |
| 20:46.32 | kitno455 | font differences, no way to turn it back into chars |
| 20:46.32 | lennert | i've been thinking about making a vga decoder for a friend of mine |
| 20:46.39 | lennert | kitno455: use ocr ;) |
| 20:46.46 | kitno455 | hahahah |
| 20:46.48 | kitno455 | ok, ok |
| 20:46.53 | kitno455 | you guys are crazier than me |
| 20:46.57 | [g2] | nod |
| 20:47.04 | kitno455 | i want a pcie board |
| 20:47.05 | lennert | /kick kitno455 not crazy enough |
| 20:47.14 | [g2] | heh |
| 20:47.21 | [g2] | ok why pcie ? |
| 20:47.31 | lennert | kas11: what's that? |
| 20:47.33 | kitno455 | ok, fine, pci, i dont care |
| 20:47.42 | [g2] | ok why PCI ? |
| 20:47.48 | kitno455 | the point is that is needs to emulate the vga bios |
| 20:48.01 | kitno455 | so that the MB thinks its a vga card |
| 20:48.18 | vmaster | nice |
| 20:48.19 | kitno455 | when the box first boots, its in 320x200 cga or whatever |
| 20:48.27 | lennert | you can put a piece of ram at address 000a0000 |
| 20:48.29 | kitno455 | that is not raster, its a char mode |
| 20:48.56 | kitno455 | so then, you dont have to interpret the raster, just take the chars, and cram them over 9600 baud serial |
| 20:48.59 | [g2] | yeah but lennert is right I think you just need the BIOS to think it's a vga card |
| 20:49.07 | kitno455 | right |
| 20:49.31 | kitno455 | vga is stupid simple, provided the machine does not try to switch into raster mode |
| 20:49.32 | kas11 | Lug Radio is a bunch of crazy Brits doing a podcast...much cussing and joviality....complete with a regular "hype or shite" section |
| 20:49.58 | kitno455 | never heard of it. i always say shite. i dont know why |
| 20:50.32 | kitno455 | some ibm boxes like to switch to raster mode for bios config. |
| 20:50.46 | [g2] | kitno455 well I'm wondering why pcweasel went out of businees |
| 20:50.47 | kitno455 | everything else i have ever used is pretty much char mod |
| 20:51.00 | kitno455 | they took too long to make a pci version |
| 20:51.02 | [g2] | sure char mode is finde |
| 20:51.19 | kitno455 | they had an MGA version on ISA for a couple years |
| 20:51.24 | kitno455 | i had one and loved it |
| 20:51.29 | [g2] | lennert is _dying_ to do a PCI interface on the FPGA |
| 20:51.39 | kitno455 | then boxes dropped the isa interface |
| 20:52.00 | kitno455 | it took the weasel guys 2 years to figure this out, and build a pci version |
| 20:52.03 | [g2] | and there are PCI-E to FPGA chip |
| 20:52.34 | kitno455 | my point exactly. i would love to learn fpga stuff, but i cant find a cheap way to get one onto a pci card |
| 20:52.53 | kitno455 | of course, if you are crazy, there is another option. |
| 20:53.00 | kitno455 | write your own bios |
| 20:53.15 | [g2] | or just extend OpenBIOS |
| 20:53.20 | kitno455 | exactly |
| 20:53.23 | [g2] | or what ever it's called |
| 20:54.08 | kitno455 | there is an OpenVGA project, that looks neat, but way off |
| 20:54.18 | lennert | intel bioses like switching to graphical mode |
| 20:54.26 | lennert | and then present you a graphical interface for raid configuration |
| 20:54.29 | kitno455 | i know |
| 20:54.32 | lennert | which then requires a ps/2 mouse |
| 20:54.34 | kitno455 | intel blows |
| 20:54.35 | lennert | stupid stupid |
| 20:54.36 | lennert | yeah |
| 20:54.45 | kitno455 | i use asus boards when i can |
| 20:54.59 | lennert | we got some intel server a while ago that won't do more than 5 megabytes/sec on their storage bios in raid5 mode |
| 20:55.09 | lennert | it's some rebranded (and fscked up) megaraid |
| 20:55.11 | kitno455 | oh- aac raid |
| 20:55.20 | kitno455 | yeah, they are junk |
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| 20:55.49 | kitno455 | i have been using linux sw raid for years. i love it |
| 20:56.19 | lennert | i tried to talk my coworker into linux sw raid |
| 20:56.21 | kitno455 | the 4 digit compaq raid controllers are pretty good. the 3 digit, not much better than nothing :) |
| 20:56.31 | kitno455 | dude, it simply rocks |
| 20:56.34 | lennert | but he, once, some years ago, had some prerelease suse version, that fskced up one of his arrays |
| 20:56.43 | lennert | so now he never wants to use linux sw raid again |
| 20:56.46 | kitno455 | tell him to get over it |
| 20:56.51 | kitno455 | i had a big ibm |
| 20:56.58 | kitno455 | with their servraid controller |
| 20:57.02 | lennert | kitno455: tried, no use |
| 20:57.17 | lennert | kitno455: i think i'll quit before him convincing into using sw raid again |
| 20:57.20 | kitno455 | 8 disk raid 0 stripe. slow as dirt |
| 20:59.10 | [g2] | does 0+1 just use two disks ? |
| 21:01.25 | kitno455 | depends |
| 21:01.39 | kitno455 | most people use 0+1 and 1+0 interchangeably |
| 21:01.44 | kitno455 | but they are not the same |
| 21:02.04 | lennert | intel calls it raid 10 (and they don't have 0+1) |
| 21:02.05 | [g2] | 0 is striping 1 is mirroring right ? |
| 21:02.10 | kitno455 | right |
| 21:02.18 | kitno455 | but you can stripe across many disks |
| 21:02.23 | kitno455 | and you can mirror across many |
| 21:02.28 | [g2] | sure |
| 21:02.41 | [g2] | the more the merrier on striping except when one fails |
| 21:02.42 | lennert | you could do a 10-disk mirror if you really wanted to |
| 21:03.00 | [g2] | I thought that was called LVM :) |
| 21:03.03 | kitno455 | you can bet the NSA uses some 10 way mirrors :) |
| 21:03.26 | [g2] | lots of data no knowledge :) |
| 21:03.26 | kitno455 | i have one box with a 6 disk raid 10 |
| 21:03.32 | kitno455 | yeah |
| 21:04.02 | kitno455 | it is two three disk raid0 sets mirrored |
| 21:04.27 | kitno455 | so the 0+1 pretty much just requires that each mirror has similar size |
| 21:05.14 | [g2] | kitno455 did you see the link for the ddrdrive ? |
| 21:06.58 | [g2] | to me the ideal solution would be the ddrdrive caching stuff coming can going to a RAID 0 config and backing it up on a single or double disk |
| 21:07.15 | [g2] | that really makes sense to me |
| 21:07.26 | kitno455 | yeah, but that is basically battery backed raid controller |
| 21:07.41 | [g2] | no |
| 21:07.45 | kitno455 | no? |
| 21:08.15 | [g2] | the battery back is only holding the transations from the RAID 0 until they get flushed to the backup disk(s) |
| 21:08.36 | [g2] | so it's more an uber or intelligent cache |
| 21:08.52 | kitno455 | ok, so the difference then is just a matter of ram size |
| 21:09.23 | kitno455 | current ram-enabled raid conroller tosses the data out when it gets to disk, cause more commands will come |
| 21:09.34 | kitno455 | if you had enough ram, you dont have to toss it. |
| 21:09.48 | [g2] | the DDRDrive support 8G on PCIe |
| 21:09.56 | kitno455 | but then, how many gigs of disk space will be wasted on the disk behind the ddrdrive |
| 21:10.03 | kitno455 | you cant get an 8 gig disk anymore |
| 21:10.26 | [g2] | I'd want to use 2 disks as RAID 0 for read speed |
| 21:10.29 | kitno455 | what about ddrdrive backed up by flash |
| 21:10.38 | [g2] | and 1 or maybe 2 as mirrors |
| 21:11.30 | [g2] | so you could strip disks 1 and 2 each 250G and have 1 disk as a 500G backup or 2 500G backup if you feel better |
| 21:11.50 | kitno455 | how are you going to get access to that space? |
| 21:12.03 | kitno455 | the ddrdrive reports its size as the ammount of ram |
| 21:12.19 | [g2] | right so it's a simple disk cache |
| 21:12.52 | [g2] | I'm sure you'll be able able to access it at the block level |
| 21:12.56 | kitno455 | exactly, if you want it to say its 500 gigs, then its jsut a small cache :) |
| 21:13.23 | [g2] | it's the architecture |
| 21:13.49 | [g2] | the RAID 0 maximizes the read/write speeds |
| 21:14.13 | [g2] | The DDRDrive is just like NCQ and helps with better mgmt |
| 21:14.25 | [g2] | and also doesn't penalize you for doing RAID1 on that data |
| 21:14.37 | ka6sox | for a server? |
| 21:14.52 | [g2] | because it's cache far exceeds the time to make a copy or two to the backup drives |
| 21:14.59 | lennert | s/it's/its/ |
| 21:15.15 | kitno455 | i dont buy it |
| 21:15.22 | kitno455 | i mean, i would not buy it |
| 21:15.35 | NAiL | hehe |
| 21:15.48 | lennert | kas11: with pr0n? :) |
| 21:16.01 | NAiL | my full-height 120mb drive took forever to fill |
| 21:16.20 | NAiL | (and everytime I switched on my PC, the entire house vibrated) |
| 21:16.24 | kitno455 | i just tore apart an old micropolis full height for the mags |
| 21:16.46 | lennert | NAiL: small house? :) |
| 21:16.50 | [g2] | kitno455 it seems like you'd rather just throw drives at the problem |
| 21:16.54 | kitno455 | g2 |
| 21:16.56 | kitno455 | no |
| 21:17.08 | kitno455 | let the os manage the cache |
| 21:17.14 | kitno455 | by making it the system ram |
| 21:17.25 | lennert | i have 8 200G drives, and am wondering whether to build two pc's with 4x200g each or to have one with 8x200g.. ideas? |
| 21:17.28 | [g2] | ok you want to hear a funny story about that ? |
| 21:17.35 | kas11 | *LOL* Darpa hadn't considered full use of the Net at the time...I think I had a 300 baud modem back then...so.... |
| 21:17.38 | kitno455 | no, but go ahead |
| 21:17.44 | kitno455 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.58 | kitno455 | lennert, what is your application load |
| 21:18.06 | [g2] | thttpd serving up large files 80-100MB |
| 21:18.14 | [g2] | linux caches the file in VM |
| 21:18.20 | kitno455 | ok |
| 21:18.33 | [g2] | memory fills on a slug loft. then its starts SWAPPING |
| 21:18.49 | [g2] | thttpd performance goes through the floor |
| 21:19.08 | kitno455 | kernel should be smart enough to drop caches before swapping. |
| 21:19.10 | [g2] | happens right now on 2.6.14.3 and will probably happen on 2.6.15 |
| 21:19.14 | kitno455 | occams razor |
| 21:19.25 | kas11 | I'd show my age if I mentioned the wonderful WD 1771 and 90k floppys |
| 21:19.47 | [g2] | kitno455 I totally agree with you but it doesn't work that way and this is an expection |
| 21:19.56 | [g2] | but a _very_ real world problem |
| 21:20.01 | kitno455 | build the card and the drivers to make your divise, or fix the bug in linux kernel |
| 21:20.07 | kitno455 | which one happens faster |
| 21:21.06 | [g2] | well I've built my one hardware and this is an issue with the sw |
| 21:21.22 | [g2] | s/one/own |
| 21:21.32 | [g2] | but it's a generic issue |
| 21:21.55 | ka6sox | hi kitno455 |
| 21:22.20 | [g2] | lennert I'd like to see the CPU/Network separated from the disks a little more |
| 21:23.33 | [g2] | lennert from my point of view my $129 SATA drive do 60MBs so 2 of them do 120MBs or basically line rate GigE |
| 21:24.11 | [g2] | I your case with 8 drives that'd be the equivalent of 4GigE cards |
| 21:24.14 | [g2] | line rate |
| 21:24.17 | kitno455 | not to rain on your parade, but specialized hardware generally is surpassed by system level hw in short order |
| 21:24.28 | kitno455 | ka6sox, wazzup? |
| 21:25.31 | [g2] | kitno455 fully agree, but sometimes featues are missing in system level hw (like serial enabled console access to the BIOS) |
| 21:25.40 | kitno455 | gotta go guys, be back tomorrow. |
| 21:25.44 | [g2] | cheers |
| 21:25.50 | [g2] | thx for stopping by |
| 21:25.55 | kitno455 | we will talk more. |
| 21:25.58 | kitno455 | adios |
| 21:26.30 | [g2] | lennert are you going to serve up on a multiple GigE interfaces or a 10GE |
| 21:27.25 | [g2] | A PCI-E card where you could daisy chain chassis would be cool |
| 21:27.55 | kas11 | am I the only one that is irritated that they are using all the PCIe lanes up so you can use 2 $750 video cards and basically leave nothing for something useful? |
| 21:28.10 | ka6sox | I moved...is the remodeled room occupied yet? |
| 21:28.25 | ka6sox | rats. |
| 21:28.27 | ka6sox | missed him |
| 21:28.57 | [g2] | kas11 I'm not.. They are driving down the cost of the other cards that'll come soon :) |
| 21:29.48 | [g2] | iirc the PCI-E 16 have like 20-30GB of bw |
| 21:29.49 | kas11 | but it makes PCIe sorta useless for GigE in many cases near as I can tell |
| 21:30.03 | [g2] | Oh no way |
| 21:30.19 | [g2] | it's exactly needed for GigE |
| 21:30.25 | [g2] | unless it's on the mobo |
| 21:30.26 | kas11 | yeah...but they are using almost all the lans for SLI stuff... |
| 21:30.45 | [g2] | not in my servers :) |
| 21:30.50 | kas11 | s/lans/lanes |
| 21:30.57 | [g2] | no video even required |
| 21:31.37 | [g2] | I've been looking for a PCIe RAID card |
| 21:32.20 | [g2] | and the DDRdrive for doing builds |
| 21:32.36 | [g2] | doing a full OE build in memory would just be killer |
| 21:32.46 | [g2] | then plug in the X2 |
| 21:33.31 | [g2] | kergoth was guessing half the time was just all the untaring/patching etc |
| 21:33.46 | kas11 | well, having a nice little farm on PCIe/GigE would be nice |
| 21:34.18 | [g2] | well this would all be native to one box |
| 21:34.27 | [g2] | but you could then distcc em |
| 21:34.40 | kas11 | hanging GigE off the PCI bus just isn't helping all that much |
| 21:34.56 | [g2] | that's exactly the point |
| 21:35.26 | [g2] | the network card / bus interface for non-PCIe cards become the issue |
| 21:35.28 | kas11 | need to get the network away from the disk traffic on the PCI bus |
| 21:36.23 | kas11 | seems like everyone is worried about video only...disk traffic here is the major bottleneck |
| 21:36.34 | [g2] | right that makes the problem worse, but my disk traffic is away from the PCI |
| 21:36.39 | kas11 | damn gamers :) |
| 21:36.52 | [g2] | hey the pave the way for us |
| 21:37.27 | [g2] | Ok ... time to do some work |
| 21:37.36 | [g2] | thanks for chatting |
| 21:38.14 | kas11 | I believe I saw one MB that had 2 lanes left for anything else after they added in SLI |
| 21:38.26 | kas11 | ttfn... ;) |
| 21:39.56 | [g2] | cheers, thx for stopping by it's nice seeing you |
| 21:47.34 | lennert | [g2]: serve up what? |
| 21:47.56 | lennert | my application load is.. low load, just needs lots of storage |
| 21:49.32 | lennert | the board i asked for is x8.. |
| 21:49.55 | [g2] | lennert so networks storage is the app ? |
| 21:50.05 | lennert | yeah i guess |
| 21:50.49 | [g2] | I'd think the protocol and application load might start to influence performance then |
| 21:50.55 | [g2] | just like on the slug |
| 21:51.10 | lennert | it only has 100mb/s which it easily saturates |
| 21:51.27 | [g2] | ah... then you are really bw starved |
| 21:51.34 | [g2] | ok thx |
| 21:51.43 | lennert | i'm wondering about the right disk config : |
| 21:51.44 | lennert | :) |
| 21:52.13 | [g2] | well it probably doesn't matter much for performance |
| 21:52.20 | [g2] | just reliability |
| 21:52.28 | [g2] | and cost |
| 21:53.40 | lennert | the mobo+cpu i'm using were like $150 |
| 21:54.04 | ka6sox | for what? |
| 21:54.20 | lennert | celeron 2.6 ? |
| 21:54.27 | lennert | dunno what mobo exactly |
| 21:54.32 | ka6sox | celery...got it |
| 21:54.41 | lennert | the entire pc (with 256mb and 40g drive) was $200-$250 |
| 21:54.53 | ka6sox | cheap |
| 21:55.04 | lennert | all my boxes are celerons apart from my via epia board |
| 21:55.10 | lennert | they're just cheaper |
| 21:55.17 | lennert | although if i were to buy a box now, i'd buy amd |
| 22:07.17 | [g2] | lennert for home or work ? |
| 22:07.36 | lennert | for home |
| 22:07.42 | lennert | i don't get to decide on stuff for work |
| 22:07.46 | lennert | my coworker is an intel fanboy |
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| 22:10.17 | ka6sox | Hi Tiersten! |