irclog2html for #openjtag on 20051213

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`21:43.51`	`[g2]`	`lennert so can I bug you about FGPAs and arm hw in here ?`
`22:47.35`	`lennert`	`[g2]: sure`
`22:47.51`	`lennert`	`[g2]: not guaranteed that you'll get the right answer, but you can always bug me :)`
`22:57.35`	`[g2]`	`lennert thx, ok first about the FPGAs`
`22:57.56`	`[g2]`	`I'm really near having a dev kit ready for the Loft`
`22:58.07`	`[g2]`	`that last piece is the JTAG support`
`22:58.13`	`lennert`	`:)`
`22:58.17`	`[g2]`	`and I'd like to get that together`
`22:59.11`	`[g2]`	`I think there are 3 options on the table right now`
`22:59.22`	`[g2]`	`1) Parallel adapter`
`22:59.34`	`[g2]`	`2) ep1220's FTDI adapter`
`22:59.42`	`[g2]`	`3) S3 adapter`
`23:00.00`	`[g2]`	`1) will probably work for simple reflash`
`23:00.21`	`lennert`	`ok, what do you mean by "loft dev kit"?`
`23:00.23`	`[g2]`	`2 and 3 are very desirable for JTAG debugging`
`23:01.13`	`[g2]`	`The Loft dev kit is a Loft dev board, CD/DVD with kernel, rootfs, tools etc....`
`23:01.22`	`lennert`	`ok, i see`
`23:01.57`	`[g2]`	`I'd like to be able to offer a quick-start kit that has everything pre-built on it`
`23:02.22`	`[g2]`	`so they just stick the CD/DVD in an x86 box boot and everything is there`
`23:02.47`	`[g2]`	`others will just use the Debian port`
`23:02.48`	`lennert`	`you mean bootloader/kernel/etc?`
`23:02.58`	`[g2]`	`I mean everything`
`23:03.27`	`[g2]`	`I've got source for everything and I can distribute IXP modules for customers buying Intel HW`
`23:04.01`	`[g2]`	`So the Loft is the mid-range HW`
`23:04.24`	`[g2]`	`I think the glomationinc hw and the NSLU2 are the low-end low-cost options`
`23:04.52`	`[g2]`	`There's a good chance I'll be able to have hw sent to several of you and that'll be the hw`
`23:05.19`	`[g2]`	`if the boads look good, that'll be my "low-cost" option`
`23:05.29`	`[g2]`	`s/boads/boards/`
`23:05.32`	`lennert`	`okay`
`23:05.48`	`vmaster`	`[g2]: if the parallel adapter comes with a small cpld, it outperforms the ft2232c solution several times`
`23:05.52`	`[g2]`	`http://www.glomationinc.com`
`23:06.13`	`lennert`	`[g2]: ah, right, i remember`
`23:06.24`	`vmaster`	`the only drawback is the requirement of a legacy port that can't be found everywhere`
`23:06.44`	`[g2]`	`I think the program could get turned on in the next couple days and then it'll just be a wait for the hw`
`23:07.01`	`lennert`	`'program'?`
`23:07.28`	`[g2]`	`yeah, I've talked someone in to sponsoring us with some free hw`
`23:07.36`	`lennert`	`ah, cool`
`23:08.20`	`[g2]`	`it's kinda a trial flyer`
`23:08.48`	`[g2]`	`I think I can start with 5 9312-sx boards`
`23:08.59`	`[g2]`	`and PS + shipping etc...`
`23:09.35`	`[g2]`	`Right now lennert rwhitby dyoung and dwery and me are on the first list`
`23:10.20`	`[g2]`	`dwery that was in not particular order`
`23:11.04`	`dwery`	`I know :)`
`23:14.27`	`lennert`	`9312sx looks cool`
`23:14.37`	`lennert`	`8 GPIOs, which is plenty`
`23:16.59`	`[g2]`	`our config has 32MB flash too`
`23:17.15`	`dwery`	`8 gpios should be enough for anyone.... :-D ehm...`
`23:17.24`	`dwery`	`well, maybe :)`
`23:17.25`	`lennert`	`i found out my via epia board has GPIOs too`
`23:17.38`	`lennert`	`dwery: with 4 GPIOs you can do jtag, and jtag is enough to do anything ;)`
`23:17.49`	`dwery`	`eheh`
`23:18.08`	`vmaster`	`you want to bitbang jtag on a 200mhz arm9?`
`23:18.49`	`[g2]`	`I think lennert asked how fast the GPIO can be driven`
`23:18.58`	`bullet`	`via epia? my via c3 mainboard just exploded. bad caps. hate it.`
`23:18.58`	`[g2]`	`we need to check on both the Loft and the 93xx`
`23:19.07`	`lennert`	`bullet: oh really?`
`23:19.14`	`[g2]`	`bullet sorry to hear that`
`23:19.20`	`bullet`	`yeah. 2 years old. leaky caps from GSC`
`23:19.20`	`lennert`	`bullet: my dual xeon intel server mainboard just exploded.. bad caps`
`23:19.32`	`lennert`	`bullet: bye bye workstation`
`23:19.36`	`bullet`	`love it`
`23:20.40`	`[g2]`	`lennert sorry to hear about the workstation`
`23:21.40`	`bullet`	`i wouldnt have expected bad caps on a intel mainboard. that sure is a shame`
`23:22.07`	`[g2]`	`I guess they buy parts in China like everyone else`
`23:22.15`	`bullet`	`yah`
`23:22.54`	`lennert`	`this mainboard still goes for $400`
`23:23.01`	`lennert`	`it was a lot more two years ago`
`23:23.13`	`lennert`	`[g2]: the 9312sx is a nice board!`
`23:23.44`	`lennert`	`[g2]: a/d and d/a converters.. yummy`
`23:23.50`	`[g2]`	`I'm glad you like it :)`
`23:23.53`	`lennert`	`[g2]: what does this thing cost normally?`
`23:24.00`	`[g2]`	`$195 US`
`23:24.18`	`lennert`	`ai`
`23:24.34`	`[g2]`	`that's Q1`
`23:24.37`	`lennert`	`nice toys are always too expensive`
`23:24.38`	`lennert`	`Q1 ?`
`23:24.43`	`[g2]`	`with 32 MB flash`
`23:24.45`	`[g2]`	`Quantity 1`
`23:24.49`	`lennert`	`oh`
`23:25.07`	`[g2]`	`lennert for you it shouldn't cost anything soon :)`
`23:25.08`	`lennert`	`i see`
`23:25.28`	`lennert`	`i kind of feel guilty when people give me stuff but i guess i shouldn't complain :)`
`23:25.54`	`[g2]`	`I'll bet you don't know why ppl give you stuff`
`23:26.20`	`lennert`	`i have no idea whatsoever`
`23:26.33`	`lennert`	`well, they don't give me lots of stuff though`
`23:26.46`	`lennert`	`just every now and then`
`23:26.57`	`lennert`	`well`
`23:27.08`	`[g2]`	`heh, I'm looking to change that "they don't give me lots of stuff" prot`
`23:27.10`	`[g2]`	`part`
`23:27.22`	`lennert`	`a company would rather pay for a developer's hardware instead of paying his salary!`
`23:27.36`	`lennert`	`$200 versus $X/hr`
`23:28.06`	`[g2]`	`well it's how much a company can commit`
`23:28.18`	`[g2]`	`$1K gets 5 boards`
`23:28.19`	`lennert`	`true..`
`23:28.25`	`lennert`	`they want something in return as well`
`23:28.50`	`[g2]`	`well in this case it's kinda more like an experiment`
`23:28.51`	`lennert`	`when giving folks hardware it's hard to say whether it'll give anything in return`
`23:28.59`	`[g2]`	`right`
`23:29.15`	`lennert`	`i heard a while ago that of all the people that the linux-hppa people gave hppa hardware, only about 20% contributed actual code`
`23:29.39`	`lennert`	`gah, management is hard. glad i'm just a coder.`
`23:29.44`	`[g2]`	`well you guys are all proven contribs :)`
`23:30.05`	`lennert`	`yeah but you still can't say whether we'll continue contribbing, depends on so many factors really`
`23:30.20`	`[g2]`	`it does`
`23:30.29`	`lennert`	`depends on whether something is in our particular area of expertise, whether it's fun, whether we'll have time`
`23:30.40`	`lennert`	`also: on how communication with other developers with the same hardware goes`
`23:31.02`	`lennert`	`if there's a prick with the same hardware, and you bump into that person too often, you can easily lose your pleasure in hacking on that hardware, f.e.`
`23:31.04`	`[g2]`	`well I'll be setting up a ml`
`23:31.15`	`lennert`	`even if the actual hardware itself is ueber-cool`
`23:31.33`	`[g2]`	`right will have to have a prick-ban`
`23:31.37`	`lennert`	`hehe`
`23:31.39`	`[g2]`	`girls only :)`
`23:32.18`	`lennert`	`lol`
`23:32.18`	`lennert`	`no hacking will get done then :)`
`23:32.18`	`[g2]`	`dongles need not apply`
`23:32.19`	`lennert`	`:)`
`23:32.22`	`lennert`	`ok, bed time for me, folks`
`23:32.26`	`[g2]`	`nite`
`23:32.32`	`lennert`	`i'm off -- g'nite all`
`23:34.53`	`[g2]`	`lennert does your jtag.c code work on the PC ?`
`23:45.30`	`vmaster`	`[g2]: if you want, have a look at this: :pserver:anonymous@mmd.ath.cx:2401/openocd - the jtag interface code works with wigglers, ft2232c and a new config for amontec's chameleon dongle`
`23:45.52`	`vmaster`	`xsvf only works for xilinx coolrunner`
`23:46.27`	`vmaster`	`target support for arm7tdmi and arm9tdmi is there, a bug with breakpoint handling is still in it, and mmu/cache support is missing`
`23:46.32`	`[g2]`	`vmaster ok I'll check it out`
`23:47.33`	`vmaster`	`ok... i'm gone, too - n8`
`23:48.35`	`[g2]`	`nite`

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