irclog2html for #openjtag on 20051116

`02:34.29`	`[g2]`	`Ok.... The "Black Dog" is in the house !`
`02:35.37`	`[g2]`	`I think we may want to consider using these because they have a usb 2.0, PPC hard core, and MMC/SDIO connector which could possibly be reporgrammed for JTAG`
`02:36.05`	`[g2]`	`then we'd just put little cables in the MMC connector and USB network in the computer`
`02:36.36`	`[g2]`	`the Black dog has a PPC with 64MB ram and 256MB flash running Debian Sarge on it`
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`10:52.35`	`key2`	`[g2] there?`
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`11:08.30`	`key2`	`ka6sox: there ?`
`12:12.04`	`[g2]`	`key2 hey!`
`12:13.00`	`key2`	`yop`
`12:13.23`	`key2`	`so if I got it right, you're looking for a hardware to develop a JTAG controller on it`
`12:13.24`	`key2`	`right ?`
`12:17.06`	`[g2]`	`key2 another set of hw to develop JTAG on`
`12:17.20`	`key2`	`[g2] why don't you make it`
`12:17.21`	`key2`	`?`
`12:17.25`	`[g2]`	`actually I didn't get the Black Dog for that`
`12:17.45`	`[g2]`	`make the hw ?`
`12:17.46`	`vmaster`	`[g2]: do you have a link to the black dog?`
`12:17.59`	`key2`	`[g2]`
`12:18.01`	`key2`	`yeah`
`12:18.15`	`[g2]`	`I think it's http://www.blackdogproject.com`
`12:18.29`	`key2`	`vmaster: wanted to ask you a stupid question :) how do you get the data comming from the I/O pin for the LPC?`
`12:18.50`	`key2`	`I know for writing it's IOSET/IOCLR`
`12:18.51`	`vmaster`	`?`
`12:19.00`	`vmaster`	`ah, you mean how to read the io pins?`
`12:19.05`	`key2`	`yeah`
`12:19.52`	`vmaster`	`the IOPIN register`
`12:20.06`	`key2`	`ok`
`12:20.13`	`[g2]`	`http://www.projectblackdog.com/`
`12:20.19`	`key2`	`and it reads just one PIN or it's a unsigned int ?`
`12:20.27`	`vmaster`	`unsigned int`
`12:20.51`	`vmaster`	`it contains both output and input pins`
`12:21.05`	`[g2]`	`key2 normally I would think about building the hw, but these guys are already selling the 256MB flash version for $199`
`12:21.25`	`[g2]`	`that's with the fingerprint reader`
`12:22.27`	`vmaster`	`oh, nice`
`12:22.37`	`[g2]`	`the fingerprint reader is a snap in`
`12:23.19`	`[g2]`	`so really we just talking about a case or maybe just the units without all the packaging in more volume`
`12:24.04`	`key2`	`[g2] how does it work ? you plug it in, you get a virtual drive with a Xserver you can run, then it open's it ?`
`12:24.47`	`key2`	`[g2] and what do you expect the hardware to do ?`
`12:24.59`	`key2`	`interface between the PC and the JTAG right ?`
`12:25.18`	`[g2]`	`I'll be back in 15`
`12:25.32`	`[g2]`	`there's MMC/SDIO`
`12:25.49`	`[g2]`	`so I think we can make an adapter and just reprogram the FPGA`
`12:26.31`	`[g2]`	`Blackdog, firmware, adapter + notebook/PC`
`12:27.32`	`key2`	`what kind of FPGA is inside ?`
`12:29.51`	`key2`	`vmaster: how is your jtag controler built in fpga is doin ?`
`12:39.59`	`[g2]`	`Xilinx with the ppc405 hardcore`
`12:41.00`	`[g2]`	`so I think any code developed for the S3 would probably just be re synth'ed`
`12:42.41`	`[g2]`	`XCF08P`
`12:42.55`	`key2`	`[g2]: how do u know`
`12:42.58`	`[g2]`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:43.17`	`[g2]`	`I'm looking at it with my lighted magnafying glass`
`12:43.28`	`key2`	`so you bought one ?`
`12:44.06`	`[g2]`	`yeah arrived yesterday, on the PC xterm was up as root and the kids played galaxia`
`12:44.12`	`key2`	`how do you know that the FPGA is not also connected to the fingerprint reader`
`12:44.42`	`[g2]`	`it is, there's a header that it snaps into`
`12:44.57`	`[g2]`	`the fingerprint reader is a snap-in card`
`12:45.01`	`key2`	`so how do you want to dev for the fpga if you don't have the spec of the fingerprint reader`
`12:45.02`	`key2`	`and worse`
`12:45.13`	`key2`	`what if some of the fingerprint reader algorithm are built into the fpga`
`12:45.14`	`key2`	`?`
`12:45.19`	`[g2]`	`it's all open`
`12:45.49`	`key2`	`and last`
`12:45.53`	`key2`	`they say it's secure`
`12:45.56`	`key2`	`but if it's a MMC`
`12:46.07`	`key2`	`then anyone could take it off and put it in a computer then read`
`12:46.11`	`key2`	`you don't need the fingerprint`
`12:46.20`	`[g2]`	`there's Debian running on the FPGA and a complete QEMU environ for devleopment`
`12:46.35`	`key2`	`Debian on FPGA ?`
`12:46.48`	`[g2]`	`there's a hardcore cpu on the chip`
`12:46.53`	`key2`	`so the PPC that is inside is built into the fpga ?`
`12:46.59`	`[g2]`	`yeah`
`12:47.02`	`key2`	`fuck`
`12:47.03`	`key2`	`:)`
`12:47.06`	`key2`	`can't velieve that`
`12:47.22`	`key2`	`and they give the core in vhdl ?`
`12:47.44`	`[g2]`	`the chips come with up to 4 hardcores`
`12:47.54`	`[g2]`	`not the "HARD" part`
`12:48.00`	`key2`	`oh`
`12:48.01`	`[g2]`	`note`
`12:48.03`	`key2`	`so it's an ASIC`
`12:48.14`	`[g2]`	`it's an FPGA with an embedded CPU`
`12:48.27`	`key2`	`a xilinx with embeded cpu ?`
`12:48.30`	`key2`	`which one is that :)`
`12:48.36`	`[g2]`	`they've been out for years`
`12:48.42`	`key2`	`yeah`
`12:48.46`	`key2`	`microblaze or PPC`
`12:48.49`	`[g2]`	`the biggest one has 4 CPUs on it`
`12:48.50`	`key2`	`but it's not a hard core`
`12:48.59`	`[g2]`	`NO... that's a "Soft" core`
`12:49.06`	`[g2]`	`along with picoblaze`
`12:49.11`	`key2`	`yeah`
`12:49.12`	`[g2]`	`8-bit softcore`
`12:49.26`	`key2`	`but dunno which FPGA has a hardcore CPU on it`
`12:49.27`	`key2`	`:)`
`12:49.32`	`key2`	`would love to know`
`12:49.43`	`key2`	`virtex ?`
`12:49.52`	`[g2]`	`well I'll bet the XCF08P does :)`
`12:51.10`	`key2`	`XCF08P is a PROM :)`
`12:51.11`	`key2`	`hahah`
`12:51.42`	`key2`	`so for sure it doesn't have a CPU in it`
`12:51.43`	`key2`	`:)`
`12:51.51`	`[g2]`	`doh... then the big FPGA is under the Reader`
`12:52.00`	`key2`	`unstick it :)`
`12:52.04`	`lennert`	`btw, i'm working on an ml310 which has an xc2vp30 on it`
`12:52.07`	`key2`	`what u waiting for :))))`
`12:52.24`	`key2`	`that's a small spartan2`
`12:52.57`	`key2`	`I made my own JTAG controller that can do read/write/readwrite...`
`12:53.02`	`key2`	`build in fpga`
`12:53.04`	`key2`	`so it's quiet fast`
`12:53.11`	`key2`	`but I wanted to make a EJTAG one`
`12:53.14`	`[g2]`	`heh I thougt it looked really tiny :)`
`12:53.43`	`lennert`	`an xc2vp30 is a xilinx virtex2 pro, NOT a spartan2`
`12:53.49`	`lennert`	`sheesh, where did we find this guy`
`12:53.52`	`key2`	`ph`
`12:53.55`	`key2`	`oh`
`12:53.56`	`key2`	`XC`
`12:53.58`	`key2`	`not XS :)`
`12:53.58`	`key2`	`ok`
`12:54.20`	`key2`	`lennert :)`
`12:54.22`	`key2`	`bastard :)`
`12:54.53`	`key2`	`[g2] http://www.digilentinc.com/info/XUPV2P.cfm`
`12:54.55`	`key2`	`like that ?`
`12:55.02`	`[g2]`	`yeah the chip under there is as big as the top of my thumb`
`12:56.21`	`lennert`	`key, meet ignore list. ignore list, meet key2.`
`12:56.47`	`key2`	`lennert: what's the point`
`12:58.07`	`key2`	`[g2] so what else is built in in your Dog device ?`
`12:58.33`	`[g2]`	`lennert btw do you know there's a 50K bounty for best app on Black Dog by Jan 06 ?`
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`12:59.04`	`key2`	`[g2]: you had to suscribe before oct 15th`
`13:05.17`	`key2`	`Someone knows a company that makes PCB from gerber and also BGA soldering ?`
`13:06.28`	`prpplague`	`key2: gonna be hard to find someone who does both`
`13:06.40`	`prpplague`	`key2: we have to get ours done in two different places`
`13:11.02`	`dwery`	`key2: I use olimex for easy and quick protos...`
`13:11.08`	`dwery`	`but no bga i think.`
`13:26.08`	`key2`	`prpplague: so you know a company that could make 4 layers pcb ?`
`13:28.34`	`prpplague`	`key2: iirc pcbexpress is who we use when we do outsourced stuff(most of the time we do them inhouse)`
`13:29.48`	`key2`	`prpplague: and otherwise, olimex makes via ?`
`13:30.48`	`prpplague`	`key2: i've not used olimex personally, but i hear alot of ppl say they do a good job`
`13:33.45`	`lennert`	`[g2]: i can't really think of a good application for the Black Dog though`
`13:34.06`	`key2`	`prpplague: and for bga ?`
`13:34.17`	`key2`	`what company could make small quantities?`
`13:34.44`	`prpplague`	`key2: if you can wait till this afternoon, i can get with our layout guy and get all the info you need`
`13:35.36`	`prpplague`	`key2: i'm mainly software so i'm only indirectly involved in those operations`
`13:36.16`	`key2`	`where do you wrok`
`13:36.21`	`key2`	`work`
`13:36.24`	`prpplague`	`http://www.amltd.com`
`13:36.25`	`key2`	`what kind opf company`
`13:36.40`	`prpplague`	`linux based handhelds`
`13:37.15`	`prpplague`	`i do the initial board bringups`
`13:37.50`	`key2`	`for what kind of company`
`13:38.51`	`prpplague`	`key2: i don't understand the question`
`13:39.49`	`key2`	`what are the products you make used for`
`13:39.50`	`key2`	`?`
`13:40.05`	`key2`	`what do you develop basically`
`13:40.06`	`key2`	`:)`
`13:41.49`	`prpplague`	`key2: oh the devices are used for inventory control, POS, and such`
`13:42.05`	`prpplague`	`key2: business usage`
`13:47.12`	`dyoung-zzzz`	`www.4pcb.com ?`
`13:48.44`	`dyoung-zzzz`	`will do up to 10 layers for you.`
`13:49.14`	`dyoung-zzzz`	`Upload your Gerber file, and its done.`
`13:49.19`	`dyoung-zzzz`	`they do quantities of small.`
`13:51.15`	`dyoung-zzzz`	`For proto-grade 2 layer, the same company does non masked boards for ok price www.barebonespcb.com`
`13:51.55`	`dyoung-zzzz`	`I dont know if they can populate your BGA though.`
`13:52.18`	`vmaster`	`key2: maybe you should look for a manufacturer in europe?`
`13:52.39`	`dyoung-zzzz`	`Oh, you in europe? I have one of those too...`
`13:52.43`	`dyoung-zzzz`	`what was it....`
`13:55.54`	`dyoung-zzzz`	`might have been TopTec...`
`14:04.39`	`dwery`	`www.thepcbshop.com`
`14:05.00`	`dwery`	`nice people, I've met them in hannover`
`14:05.17`	`dwery`	`and they're based in Belgium iirc`
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`20:04.44`	`lennert`	`whee, virtex2 pro spitting out chars on the serial..`
`20:54.24`	`ka6sox-office`	`:)`
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