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`03:05.49`	`lightbulb`	`anyone got their ears on? :)`
`03:08.55`	`[g2]`	`hey`
`03:09.05`	`[g2]`	`hitek146_ welcome`
`03:09.22`	`[g2]`	`a bunch of the guys are in Europe`
`03:10.57`	`lightbulb`	`so a lot of people asleep!`
`03:12.35`	`[g2]`	`nod`
`03:13.03`	`[g2]`	`so who have you been ?`
`03:13.09`	`[g2]`	`s/who/how/`
`03:14.26`	`lightbulb`	`great actually. and you?`
`03:14.59`	`[g2]`	`very good thx`
`03:15.17`	`[g2]`	`nslu2-linux has been a hell of a great ride`
`03:15.45`	`hitek146_`	`[g2]: ^^^thanx!`
`03:16.03`	`[g2]`	`thanks for what ?`
`03:21.04`	`[g2]`	`hitek146_ what kind of hw do you do ?`
`03:21.36`	`[g2]`	`we've got a few FPGA programmers in here but could use some more :)`
`03:26.22`	`hitek146_`	`[g2]: sorry, thanx for the welcome!`
`03:26.54`	`hitek146_`	`[g2]: to answer your other question, I mostly work with low-level circuitry when I get the chance`
`03:27.58`	`hitek146_`	`[g2]: because designing higher level circuitry is mostly copying reference designs, and does rely alot on proper firmware, and my programming talent is slightly out of date...`
`03:28.55`	`[g2]`	`what do you mean by "low-level circuitry" ? microcode, ?`
`03:29.20`	`hitek146_`	`[g2]: transistors, gates, and op-amps... :)`
`03:29.35`	`[g2]`	`analog circuitry`
`03:29.52`	`hitek146_`	`no, really I hate analog, it was just an example of the level of design...`
`03:29.54`	`[g2]`	`rf or mixed-signal`
`03:30.00`	`ka6sox-office`	`mmmmm analog yum!`
`03:30.07`	`hitek146_`	`I do design microprocessor circuits, but it is boring...`
`03:30.25`	`[g2]`	`floor planning and layout`
`03:30.45`	`[g2]`	`at the gate level`
`03:31.13`	`hitek146_`	`[g2]: yea....`
`03:32.04`	`[g2]`	`yeah but you've gotta deal with reflections when your signals go off chip`
`03:32.50`	`hitek146_`	`[g2]: only at high frequencies in digital circuitry, and decoupling capacitors carefully placed help out alot here..`
`03:33.35`	`[g2]`	`hitek146_ neat so you might actually do the on-chip portion of the JTAG :)`
`03:35.19`	`hitek146_`	`I tried to decipher the JTAG connector on the Netgear WGT634U board, and had some luck, but it seems their PCB layout placed the TRST signal in some unlocatable location..`
`03:35.56`	`[g2]`	`well you in the right spot then`
`03:36.04`	`[g2]`	`you're`
`03:36.49`	`[g2]`	`what's the processor on the WGT634U?`
`03:37.16`	`hitek146_`	`It's a BCM5364, and it is very fast...`
`03:37.33`	`hitek146_`	`MIPS, Little Endian..`
`03:37.44`	`[g2]`	`64 bit ?`
`03:37.47`	`ka6sox-office`	`BCM == Broadcom`
`03:38.02`	`[g2]`	`aka "the devil" ;)`
`03:38.16`	`hitek146_`	`yea, Broadcom... I think it's a 32 bit processor...`
`03:38.16`	`ka6sox-office`	`give them your firstborn under NDA`
`03:38.24`	`ka6sox-office`	`32bit mipsel`
`03:38.31`	`hitek146_`	`Yea, that's the prob... no sources for specs...`
`03:38.45`	`ka6sox-office`	`welcome to broadcom.`
`03:38.54`	`hitek146_`	`no new news here... :D`
`03:39.11`	`[g2]`	`yeah that's something sweet about the Intel processor`
`03:39.15`	`hitek146_`	`Same thing(unrelated) when I try to get specs from Atheros...`
`03:39.27`	`[g2]`	`just download the BSDL file and read about the commands`
`03:39.33`	`hitek146_`	`Atheros SBC...`
`03:39.44`	`ka6sox-office`	`Atheros! w00t`
`03:39.59`	`[g2]`	`I've got 2 to 4 miniPCI slots on my board`
`03:40.01`	`hitek146_`	`Yea, great, if we could get good docs...`
`03:40.09`	`[g2]`	`I'm bringing up some CM9s now`
`03:40.25`	`ka6sox-office`	`hitek146_, they have an opensource driver already`
`03:40.26`	`hitek146_`	`Well, with an arbiter, you can get as many slots as you want, if you want to design an adapter.`
`03:41.02`	`hitek146_`	`yea, but atheros still uses closed HAL....`
`03:41.08`	`[g2]`	`hitek146_ http://www.giantshoulderinc.com/hw-4533`
`03:41.26`	`hitek146_`	`hardware bus arbiter...`
`03:42.12`	`hitek146_`	`[g2]: yea, I checked it out already, and looks good...`
`03:42.43`	`[g2]`	`I didn't know if I gave you the link to the pics`
`03:42.59`	`[g2]`	`that's not a public link`
`03:44.06`	`hitek146_`	`Nice..`
`03:44.08`	`hitek146_`	`but..`
`03:44.11`	`hitek146_`	`:)`
`03:44.14`	`hitek146_`	`Intel...`
`03:44.25`	`hitek146_`	`how expensive?`
`03:44.42`	`ka6sox-office`	`[g2] what is the connector on the backside near the Serial Cable?`
`03:45.04`	`hitek146_`	`integrated NAND memory, or depends on CF?`
`03:45.06`	`[g2]`	`$269`
`03:45.23`	`[g2]`	`there will probably be 8MB NOR`
`03:45.58`	`[g2]`	`but you really only need like 1.5MB for the bootloader and kernel`
`03:46.19`	`[g2]`	`the kernel doesn't need to be there either`
`03:46.29`	`[g2]`	`I currently boot from a microdrive`
`03:47.01`	`[g2]`	`and Redboot loads the kernel from /boot/zImage in an ext2 partition on the microdrive`
`03:47.17`	`[g2]`	`very soon`
`03:47.33`	`hitek146_`	`hmm... looks good, but there are competitors in that price range...`
`03:48.00`	`hitek146_`	`I have ideas for a 4 MiniPCI slot MIPS board, for about $100...`
`03:48.06`	`hitek146_`	`Just no time... :)`
`03:48.25`	`ka6sox-office`	`I'm working on a 8241 board with 2 miniPCI`
`03:48.33`	`hitek146_`	`BOM only adds up to about $45 US ....`
`03:48.47`	`[g2]`	`doesn't PC Engines make the WRAP boards that are Mips ?`
`03:48.58`	`ka6sox-office`	`I think so`
`03:49.11`	`hitek146_`	`WRAP=i386, AFAIK`
`03:49.23`	`hitek146_`	`something new?`
`03:50.32`	`[g2]`	`hitek146_ what kinda volume are you thinking with a $45 BOM ?`
`03:51.32`	`hitek146_`	`LOL... I wasn't, that's why I haven't done it... :)`
`03:51.46`	`hitek146_`	`Oh... sorry misunderstood`
`03:52.00`	`hitek146_`	`for $45 BOM, Qty 1000....`
`03:52.38`	`[g2]`	`well I'd love to see the BOM :)`
`03:53.16`	`hitek146_`	`It's just an estimate, as I was having a difficult time obtaining actual numbers for some parts`
`03:53.56`	`[g2]`	`yeah there's the theory and practice thing`
`03:54.12`	`[g2]`	`some ppl think they are the same and some don't :)`
`03:54.15`	`ka6sox-office`	`266mhz Geode 128MB ram 2 miniPCI + CF $140 USD`
`03:54.21`	`hitek146_`	`like I said, SoC systems typically require nothing more than a slightly modified reference design, so BOM would be very close to the mfg's own`
`03:54.31`	`ka6sox-office`	`yep`
`03:54.34`	`ka6sox-office`	`like the 8241`
`03:55.24`	`[g2]`	`I don't think the 266Mhz Geode holds a candle to the 533Mhz IXP`
`03:55.34`	`ka6sox-office`	`of course not`
`03:55.50`	`ka6sox-office`	`is the $269 with 128MB of RAM?`
`03:55.52`	`ka6sox-office`	`:)`
`03:55.56`	`hitek146_`	`the fact is, in qty, the PCB only cost $10-$15.. and CPU about $20, plus $4 for NAND, another $4 for MiniPCI slots, and ? for glue components...`
`03:56.34`	`hitek146_`	`and, given, those prices would require oriental sourcing...`
`03:56.50`	`ka6sox-office`	`o0oohyeah`
`03:56.51`	`[g2]`	`right and compliance cost $5-10 and the cases cost $20-50`
`03:57.06`	`hitek146_`	`cases?!?!? :)`
`03:57.33`	`[g2]`	`yeah I'm selling an SBC with a metal case and it's complied`
`03:57.38`	`[g2]`	`FCC/CE etc..`
`03:58.11`	`hitek146_`	`Don't get me wrong, when I designed laptops for TI, I got all the fill of FCC certs that I could handle...`
`03:58.16`	`[g2]`	`unless you dad's an injection mold guy`
`03:58.21`	`hitek146_`	`this would be for commercial use only...`
`03:58.32`	`hitek146_`	`you can injection mold for $800...`
`03:58.49`	`hitek146_`	`not counting dies, of course..`
`03:59.48`	`hitek146_`	`and I mean $800 to own you own injection molding equipment`
`03:59.56`	`hitek146_`	`s/own/build :)`
`04:00.25`	`[g2]`	`and you make your own die ?`
`04:00.39`	`hitek146_`	`If you build your own milling machine...`
`04:01.16`	`[g2]`	`the question to me is what does it cost to do 500-1000 cases`
`04:01.52`	`hitek146_`	`Also, in Mexico, you can get plastic cases molded and finished(limited finishing) for ~$3 ea. after tooling of $1-$2K`
`04:02.58`	`[g2]`	`that sounds very reasonable`
`04:03.02`	`hitek146_`	`I won't argue, it's hard to do "big mfg" type stuff by yourself...`
`04:03.49`	`[g2]`	`oh I think there are much more savvy ways to do stuff`
`04:04.09`	`hitek146_`	`I've got a friend that runs a big time production company making centrifugal type plastics off of a rig he built from a differential from an automobile..`
`04:04.16`	`[g2]`	`but there's a lot of diferent things to put together`
`04:04.27`	`hitek146_`	`always alot... I know... :)`
`04:05.01`	`[g2]`	`I'm trying to kick-start a little industry that can build open boxes`
`04:05.11`	`[g2]`	`open embedded boxes`
`04:05.20`	`[g2]`	`like Soren does with Soekris`
`04:05.37`	`[g2]`	`and the PC Engines guys do with the WRAP`
`04:06.49`	`hitek146_`	`the problem is, there are too many SoC boards coming out, with no common interface or standard Mini-PCI slots, instead of alot of the other stuff that is out there, like PC-104`
`04:07.34`	`[g2]`	`well a big difference is there's a huge community already running sw on this SOC platform`
`04:07.48`	`[g2]`	`and we've got almost 2 full Debian ports`
`04:08.02`	`[g2]`	`one official LE and one unofficial BE`
`04:08.21`	`[g2]`	`not to mention a full distro with 2.5K packages for full-on custom work`
`04:08.54`	`hitek146_`	`Damn, you guy's have put alot of work into that thing...`
`04:09.01`	`[g2]`	`I'm working on putting a wireless distro together right now`
`04:09.27`	`hitek146_`	`You could port OpenWrt`
`04:09.40`	`[g2]`	`I don't need OpenWRT`
`04:09.44`	`hitek146_`	`soooooo many packages...`
`04:10.06`	`hitek146_`	`not to offend... :)`
`04:10.09`	`[g2]`	`I've been running Debian on the box 6 or 8 weeks`
`04:10.24`	`[g2]`	`oh... no offence`
`04:10.52`	`[g2]`	`I've to _tons_ of respect for OpenWRT and [mbm]`
`04:10.55`	`hitek146_`	`I just personally enjoy using a distro that is support by new packages coming out almost daily....`
`04:11.12`	`hitek146_`	`s/support/supported`
`04:11.23`	`[g2]`	`but OpenWRT doesn't hold a candle to OE`
`04:11.41`	`hitek146_`	`in flexibility, or performance?`
`04:12.08`	`[g2]`	`certainly flexibility`
`04:12.13`	`[g2]`	`probably performance`
`04:12.47`	`ka6sox-office`	`hitek146_, the wrt doesnt' have a disk drive and the NSLU2 and other things do.`
`04:12.49`	`[g2]`	`[mbm] had looked at switching to OE 6-10 months ago`
`04:12.54`	`ka6sox-office`	`gives us much more that we can do.`
`04:13.00`	`hitek146_`	`So I could install an asterisk(for example) package right now, or expect to have one avail soon?`
`04:13.13`	`ka6sox-office`	`on which hardware?`
`04:13.19`	`[g2]`	`several ppl have run asterisk on the nslu2`
`04:13.23`	`ka6sox-office`	`yep`
`04:13.32`	`[g2]`	`months ago`
`04:13.41`	`hitek146_`	`So where can I look at the packages avail for your distro?`
`04:13.44`	`ka6sox-office`	`mithro is instersted in making a USB FXS`
`04:13.48`	`[g2]`	`ipkg`
`04:13.54`	`ka6sox-office`	`ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org`
`04:14.55`	`[g2]`	`note there are very slight differences between the NSLU2 and my board`
`04:14.59`	`hitek146_`	`Oh, and OpenWrt supports many things, including standard devices that don't(or wouldn't ever, even) be actually added to a crappy router... :)`
`04:15.16`	`[g2]`	`but basically it's a kernel/device port and extra expandability`
`04:15.27`	`hitek146_`	`you are correct...`
`04:15.54`	`[g2]`	`right we've been doing the same with nslu2-linux`
`04:16.07`	`[g2]`	`except we've got over 4K ppl on the ml`
`04:16.11`	`[g2]`	`and over 100+ devs`
`04:16.32`	`ka6sox-office`	`and 5 distributions under active developemnt`
`04:16.56`	`hitek146_`	`I was just drawn to the OpenWrt package, because I've always cured those who bloat, and their kernel with basic modules consumes less than 3MB storage... Can anyone else say that?`
`04:16.57`	`ka6sox-office`	`20GB of aggregate traffic per day.`
`04:17.14`	`hitek146_`	`s/cured/cursed`
`04:17.29`	`[g2]`	`well the uClibc version runs thumb too`
`04:17.41`	`ka6sox-office`	`dunno how much space our kernel takes...lemme check`
`04:17.59`	`[g2]`	`I think the kernel rootfs and all is < 4MB`
`04:18.15`	`hitek146_`	`sweet! really?`
`04:18.34`	`[g2]`	`yeah`
`04:18.36`	`ka6sox-office`	`yes about 4MB`
`04:18.41`	`[g2]`	`it might be 4.5`
`04:18.50`	`hitek146_`	`that's still pretty good...`
`04:18.55`	`[g2]`	`but we've got 8MB on the nslu2`
`04:18.56`	`ka6sox-office`	`kernel and modules is just over 3MB`
`04:19.05`	`hitek146_`	`not bad...`
`04:19.11`	`ka6sox-office`	`2.6.12.2`
`04:19.21`	`hitek146_`	`nice, I do like the new kernel...`
`04:19.26`	`[g2]`	`and more importantly USB 2.0 host controller`
`04:19.38`	`ka6sox-office`	`we should have 2.6.14 in the feed tonight.`
`04:19.40`	`[g2]`	`so plug in a CF or drive`
`04:20.30`	`hitek146_`	`how long ago did you guys move from 2.4.x, if I may ask without Googling...`
`04:20.46`	`[g2]`	`depends on the distro`
`04:20.52`	`[g2]`	`One never moved`
`04:21.04`	`[g2]`	`One moved 14+ months ago`
`04:21.15`	`hitek146_`	`So you guys don't have a special distro?`
`04:21.23`	`hitek146_`	`that would be good...`
`04:21.24`	`[g2]`	`many`
`04:21.55`	`hitek146_`	`I mean, one specifically for your hardware, or am I misunderstanding your goal...`
`04:21.56`	`[g2]`	`The Unslung version stays Linksys compatible and is on the 2.4 kernel and same tool chains for binary comap`
`04:22.16`	`[g2]`	`The Openslug distro is a full firmware replacment`
`04:22.43`	`[g2]`	`it's been 2.6 for at least 14-15 months`
`04:22.50`	`[g2]`	`2.6.7 was our first`
`04:23.02`	`hitek146_`	`Hey, you guys are somewhat hardware guys... wanna see the prelim board layout for my MiniUPS?`
`04:23.13`	`ka6sox-office`	`we are working on 4 different IXP platforms`
`04:24.04`	`ka6sox-office`	`Linksys NSLU2, Synology DS101, Iomega NAS-100d, Loft`
`04:24.34`	`[g2]`	`and some non-IXP platforms`
`04:24.42`	`[g2]`	`that ASUS etc...`
`04:24.54`	`[g2]`	`all the Optware stuff`
`04:25.01`	`ka6sox-office`	`ya..and I'm working on the Synology DS101G+`
`04:25.12`	`ka6sox-office`	`(Freescale 8241`
`04:25.12`	`[g2]`	`right that's PPC`
`04:25.37`	`ka6sox-office`	`close to getting 2.6 working on that.`
`04:25.49`	`hitek146_`	`I guess I still don't have a grasp of your goal(been watching and typing, and haven't read homepage)`
`04:26.06`	`ka6sox-office`	`www.nslu2-linux.org`
`04:26.15`	`[g2]`	`doh! beat me to it`
`04:26.32`	`ka6sox-office`	`that should get you to the homepage and look at the left hand column for the projects that we are working on.`
`04:26.59`	`ka6sox-office`	`www.debonaras.org is another wiki that isn't as developed but has the goal of that project.`
`04:27.20`	`ka6sox-office`	`the armeb port of debian is also being worked on by this group as well.`
`04:27.32`	`hitek146_`	`I guess, if you can spare me much reading in my buzzed state, what is the benefit of your distro over OpenWrt or one of the other Linksys distros?`
`04:27.59`	`ka6sox-office`	`depends on what hardware you have/want to use`
`04:28.16`	`ka6sox-office`	`if you want a router that has extended capability then openWRT is the way to go.`
`04:28.27`	`hitek146_`	`meaning that your distro runs on hardware that the other won't run on?`
`04:28.53`	`ka6sox-office`	`if you want a small server appliance that has general purpose uses beyond what the manufacturer had in mind then we are your distro(s)`
`04:29.18`	`hitek146_`	`and better than other, why?`
`04:29.26`	`hitek146_`	`s/other/others`
`04:29.33`	`[g2]`	`ka6sox-office the ds101 and Imoega have wifi right ?`
`04:29.55`	`[g2]`	`and the ASUS box`
`04:30.00`	`ka6sox-office`	`dunno about the DS101...I have a 101g+ and an iomega (which does)`
`04:30.07`	`ka6sox-office`	`the asus is a router.`
`04:30.11`	`ka6sox-office`	`with usb1.1`
`04:31.03`	`ka6sox-office`	`we support the packages for that box (somebody else does the firmware for that bos)`
`04:31.05`	`hitek146_`	`I'm using the Netgear WGT634u, a quite powerful machine that I bought 10 of for $300US...`
`04:31.07`	`ka6sox-office`	`s/bos/box`
`04:32.05`	`hitek146_`	`USB 2.0... much RAM and Flash...`
`04:32.52`	`ka6sox-office`	`but a darned Broadcom unit :P`
`04:33.00`	`hitek146_`	`It is working so perfectly for me using OpenWrt, that it is almost faster than a celeron600 I have running debian, and I ain't joking..`
`04:33.20`	`ka6sox-office`	`wouldn't want to run X on it however...`
`04:33.32`	`hitek146_`	`Yea, I know that the BC chipsets are a pain in the ass, but they are cheap and work well....`
`04:33.42`	`ka6sox-office`	`okay I gotta run home....`
`04:33.48`	`ka6sox-office`	`c y'all`
`04:33.54`	`[g2]`	`hitek146_ the Q is what are you really using the box for ?`
`04:33.57`	`hitek146_`	`later, and thanx for the convo`
`04:34.06`	`[g2]`	`ka6sox-office catch you later`
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`04:34.27`	`[g2]`	`hitek146_ questions like what's our SCP throughput to the box ?`
`04:34.36`	`[g2]`	`s/our/your/`
`04:34.55`	`hitek146_`	`Well, the ones I am using everyday are used for wireless clients, but I have put them through many tests... Samba, etc...`
`04:35.19`	`[g2]`	`right what's hdparm performance`
`04:35.28`	`[g2]`	`what's Samba performance / NFS etc...`
`04:35.57`	`[g2]`	`I'm getting over 14MBs with my Loft on the USB 2.0 port`
`04:35.58`	`hitek146_`	`Oh, I can get 80mbps through the network, which is typical of a 100mbps conn`
`04:37.19`	`hitek146_`	`That's quite good, and there are some problems with one of the usb*.ko modules that only give me about 11...`
`04:38.19`	`[g2]`	`so it all comes down to what you are using it for and what your needs are`
`04:38.35`	`[g2]`	`we've got lots of different options`
`04:38.41`	`[g2]`	`and many work well`
`04:38.48`	`[g2]`	`these are all good choices`
`04:39.06`	`hitek146_`	`I understand... there are 1000 distros for diff stuff, but I have yet to see one with so many packages available for simple user use..`
`04:39.32`	`[g2]`	`well you haven't seen nslu2-linux :)`
`04:39.34`	`hitek146_`	`I know we can compile our own, but I was looking for some distro that could be adapted to my board`
`04:39.55`	`hitek146_`	`that already has many, many packages available for it, with a huge support force in place`
`04:40.08`	`hitek146_`	`s/support/contributor`
`04:40.22`	`[g2]`	`right that's nslu2-inux`
`04:40.24`	`[g2]`	`linux`
`04:41.11`	`[g2]`	`many, many is a relative term`
`04:41.23`	`[g2]`	`I don't think OpenWRT has more the 200-300 packages`
`04:41.45`	`[g2]`	`but things have probably changed alot in the last year`
`04:42.40`	`hitek146_`	`exactly...`
`04:42.52`	`hitek146_`	`300+ packages...`
`04:43.13`	`[g2]`	`well that's a far cry from 3K or 13K+`
`04:45.05`	`hitek146_`	`didn't have a chance to look, but are you telling me(to sum it up) that you have a distro for inexpensive router(or whatever) platforms that already has 3K+ packages ported to it?`
`04:45.59`	`hitek146_`	`Are you the end to OpenWrt? :)`
`04:46.43`	`[g2]`	`I'm saying I've to 2 distros. One Debian based that's got 13K+ packages`
`04:46.59`	`[g2]`	`and another that's OE based which has Ks`
`04:47.05`	`ByronT`	`I thought there were less than a 1000 packages left`
`04:47.16`	`[g2]`	`ok 13.5K`
`04:47.24`	`ByronT`	`:)`
`04:47.44`	`hitek146_`	`here is my prelim layout for my MiniUPS circuit, btw:`
`04:48.09`	`hitek146_`	`www.xceltechnical.com/images/miniups.jpg`
`04:49.28`	`hitek146_`	`It's PoE, and will currently work between 10 and 24 Volts, but could be more with sm changes`
`04:50.12`	`hitek146_`	`also supports connection(if you didn't hear me in #openwrt) to a serial port for UPS reporting`
`04:51.15`	`hitek146_`	`I know it is way to simple, but that is the good part...`
`04:51.55`	`hitek146_`	`btw, the P1 and P2 connectors get a Cat5 pigtail soldered to them...`
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`04:57.37`	`hitek146_`	`silence? :)`
`04:58.11`	`[g2]`	`hitek146_ I've been scrolling though the OpenWRT package list`
`04:58.34`	`[g2]`	`I'm more an embedded sw guy than hw guy`
`04:59.44`	`hitek146_`	`ahh... out of curiosity, what differences do you notice in the OpenWrt package list?`
`04:59.59`	`[g2]`	`dyoung-away Tiersten ka6sox-office ep1220 are more the hw types`
`05:00.06`	`hitek146_`	`I'd still like you to look it over, and tell me what you think`
`05:03.24`	`[g2]`	`well J1 is the ethernet connection right ?`
`05:03.31`	`[g2]`	`some of the pins are shorted`
`05:03.49`	`[g2]`	`or it could just be the way the drawing looks`
`05:05.33`	`hitek146_`	`well, that depends on what you mean by shorted... the two middle pins(4 and 5) and the two last pins(7,8) are connected to each other, because they supply the power for PoE...`
`05:06.01`	`hitek146_`	`Is that what you meant, or did you see something else, because a second look is really why I was asking..`
`05:06.45`	`[g2]`	`yeah it looks like 4-5 and 7-8 when numbering from bottom left to top right`
`05:07.30`	`hitek146_`	`J1 = Ethernet PoE Input.... P1, P2=ethernet/UPS power out..... J2 = UPS serial connection`
`05:07.39`	`hitek146_`	`B1 = Battery... :)`
`05:07.53`	`[g2]`	`C1 cap`
`05:08.03`	`[g2]`	`D1,2 diodes`
`05:08.10`	`hitek146_`	`your catching on quickly, grasshopper... :)`
`05:08.43`	`[g2]`	`the line from R4 look to be floating between pins 2-3 on P2`
`05:09.41`	`hitek146_`	`yes it is... good eye... but I put that there... :)`
`05:09.53`	`[g2]`	`the stenciling is wrong for D1 as there are 2`
`05:10.39`	`hitek146_`	`now that's! what I was hoping for.... an undrunken opinion... :D`
`05:11.04`	`[g2]`	`I'd guess U1 is a 232 or 3232`
`05:12.37`	`hitek146_`	`opti`
`05:12.52`	`hitek146_`	`opto-isolator`
`05:13.16`	`[g2]`	`I'm not sure where pin 3 from JT ties into P2`
`05:13.35`	`hitek146_`	`I'll give you guy's a schematic, if you want, I just don't have one yet...`
`05:14.29`	`[g2]`	`usually the guys check design first then the layout`
`05:15.01`	`[g2]`	`but like I said I'm not much for the hw side`
`05:15.13`	`hitek146_`	`well... haha... Of course I have a schematic, but to be truthful, it is so simple I know it in me head..`
`05:16.14`	`hitek146_`	`it is just scribbled on paper, and in the engineering software I use, you enter the layout before extruding the schematic...`
`05:16.27`	`hitek146_`	`sending updated image...`
`05:18.21`	`hitek146_`	`OK, same link as before, and corrected you previous notice of discrepancy...`
`05:24.20`	`hitek146_`	`[g2]: ping`
`05:24.28`	`[g2]`	`ping`
`05:24.36`	`[g2]`	`I see the LED correction`
`05:25.01`	`hitek146_`	`hard to fit everyting on a tiny board...`
`05:25.18`	`hitek146_`	`can anyone use this?`
`05:25.25`	`hitek146_`	`it's free.... Open!!!`
`05:25.31`	`[g2]`	`cool`
`05:25.43`	`[g2]`	`I think the real hw guys will look at it tomorrow`
`05:25.54`	`[g2]`	`s/tomorrow/later today`
`05:26.05`	`hitek146_`	`gotcha..`
`05:26.17`	`[g2]`	`now it's time for me to get some sleep`
`05:26.26`	`hitek146_`	`it's a very simple design, as simple as it can get`
`05:26.33`	`hitek146_`	`kewl... me too...`
`05:26.33`	`[g2]`	`as I'm EST`
`05:26.38`	`hitek146_`	`CST`
`05:26.39`	`[g2]`	`well cheers`
`05:26.45`	`[g2]`	`thx for stopping by`
`05:26.47`	`hitek146_`	`later 4 u than 4 me...`
`05:26.55`	`[g2]`	`nod.`
`05:27.08`	`hitek146_`	`find me on #openwgt if i'm not here....`
`05:27.21`	`[g2]`	`ok`
`05:27.31`	`[g2]`	`I'll peek over there for a sec`
`05:27.40`	`hitek146_`	`s/openwgt/openwrt`
`05:27.55`	`[g2]`	`I figured :)`
`05:28.25`	`[g2]`	`well g'nite`
`05:28.32`	`hitek146_`	`'nite`
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