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06:37.30ep1220ka6sox: ping
07:02.59ka6soxep1220, pong
07:03.36ep1220I read Your suggestion in the log.
07:04.11ep1220Using the FTDI directly would make problems for build-it-yourself
07:04.22ep1220This chip has a 0.5mm pitch
07:04.36ka6soxah..
07:04.56ep1220Also most other parts on the moduel are needed.
07:05.03ka6soxep...
07:05.07ka6soxbummer
07:05.17ep1220Plus we would need a multilayer
07:09.10ep1220BTW: Do You know the PPC COP/JTAG IF ?
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14:54.03T0mWhello world
14:54.20T0mWanyone got a BDI-2000 here ?
14:55.25[g2]there may be 1 or 2
14:55.30T0mWheh
14:55.38prpplagueT0mW: you got yours in?
14:55.55T0mWI got mine a few weeks ago, today I'd like to get setup with gdb
14:56.26T0mWprpplague: I guess I'll follow what Marc did from his page
14:58.38prpplagueahh
15:00.29T0mWprpplague: been too busy to do anything but take it out of the box and look at it so far
15:00.48T0mWprpplague: freakin' customers want it NOW!
15:00.50T0mWheh
15:01.12prpplaguehehe yea thats what i'm dealing with this morning
15:03.04T0mWprpplague: I'll hit you up for that MMC code some time when you can
15:06.08vmasterI had one lying around for a couple of months - pretty easy to use
15:06.21prpplagueT0mW: i firgot which code you wanted
15:06.36prpplagueT0mW: are you wanting code you can use with the kernel or bootloader/
15:09.58T0mWprpplague: bootloader, I just need to do raw sector read / write stuff
15:10.57T0mWwish that the LPC family of processors had less Flash and a lot more RAM, then I'd just boot my code from the MMC
15:12.10prpplagueT0mW: ok, you need it in c or asm?
15:13.34T0mWprpplague: C, if you got some
15:14.06T0mWprpplague: I won't be booting with it, just accessing the media from runtime code
15:14.22T0mWs/runtime/application/
15:14.57T0mWhmm, crosstool is up to version 0.38 now
15:16.03prpplagueT0mW: i don't have any fs code support just function calls for raw sector read.write
15:17.33T0mWcool, that is what I need: primatives
15:17.59T0mWprpplague: I can share back fs stuff if you want.  I have to dev full file read / write.
15:18.36T0mWopen / create file, write to file, close, delete file, etc.
15:18.46T0mWbasically build my own msdos
15:19.23prpplagueT0mW: its pretty simple stuff, i would expect so as thats the direction i was headed
15:19.30prpplagueT0mW: custom bootloader?
15:21.11T0mWprpplague: no, the application I am writing will need to some data logging
15:21.42T0mWprpplague: also, I would like to build in the future ability to autorun stuff on the MMC.
15:22.40T0mWprpplague: like if you have to update Flash code in a number of units, you can prep an MMC such that when the system sees the autorun file, it will eval it and update the flash code store.
15:23.17prpplagueT0mW: right, that was my goal in the bootloader code i have
15:23.29prpplagueT0mW: right now its just reading raw code from the mmc/sd
15:23.32T0mWprpplague: this way, if you have 30..40 units to update / program, you can just do it from a single MMC rather than have to download from a laptop to each unit (PITA).
15:23.53prpplagueT0mW: i.e. (dd if=zImage of=/dev/sda)
15:23.58T0mWprpplague: heh
15:24.27T0mWprpplague: I've written disk operating system stuff before
15:25.02prpplagueT0mW: i can;t seem to make the associations i need to understand FAT16
15:25.04T0mWprpplague: although, not as ambitious as this project is turning out to be
15:26.07prpplagueT0mW: i've been swamped with customer crap for almost 2 months
15:26.18prpplagueT0mW: my time for dev has been pretty small lately
15:26.19T0mWprpplague: yeah, the fat fs takes some study before it starts to make sense.  it is similar to the CP/M file structure in some ways.  CP/M used a bitmap of the allocations, fat uses a numerical table
15:27.40T0mWprpplague: lots of dev work headed my way lately.  A job I quoted last year, and I quoted it really high to make it "go away", is back.  They are still interested, not at the price I told them, but they still want it.
15:28.37T0mWprpplague: apparently they asked around and found nobody else intereseted in bailing them out of the fire (Municipal Contract with performance clause).
15:29.15T0mWok. I'm going with crosstool-0.38 and hope for the best here.
15:31.11prpplagueT0mW: i can't seem to get the conversion between block reads, and the c/h/s address
15:32.33T0mWprpplague: I know I did that with the compact flash bootloader, just don't recall the process right now.
15:33.18T0mWthere is a physical block 0 and a logical block 0, fat is based upon the logical block 0
15:33.52T0mWyou have to offset to the logical block 0 against the reserved block amount
15:34.07T0mW... to get to the logical block
15:34.34T0mWI don't recall where I picked up the data on the reserved sectors though
15:34.52T0mWit might have been from the partition table
15:35.33T0mWor from the drives' GET_GEOMETRY
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15:36.31T0mWprpplague: I'll deal with that later, once I get the primative sector read / write working.
15:39.29T0mWprpplague: Dave, the fat file system can
15:39.56T0mWprpplague: Dave, the fat file system can't be that hard.  After all, Bill Gates *cough*stole*cough* the code for it.
15:59.37T0mWprpplague: you have to remember that the FAT entries represent groupings of sectors: allocations.  IIRC, the msdos boot block contains the mapping info of how many bytes/sectors to each allocation
16:01.01T0mWprpplague: STENCIL IS HERE!!!
16:12.54ka6soxep1220 Ping
16:13.20prpplagueT0mW: hehe yea, thats what ppl keep saying, but i've yet to find a good example where someone walks you through the process
16:13.47ka6soxep1220: ping
16:14.22T0mWka6sox: Destination unreachable
16:14.24T0mWheh
16:15.10ka6soxrrrrright
16:15.35T0mWprpplague: I just wish I could find that old source to "Disk Doctor" that I wrote 18 years ago.  That followed the chains to access files
16:16.02T0mWprpplague: moral? don't throw old code away.  :-(
16:16.31T0mWprpplague: or, 5 inch media
16:16.53prpplaguehehe yea
16:18.08T0mWprpplague: heh, need TurboC v1.5?
16:20.01prpplagueuh no
16:22.06T0mWheh "Clipper Summer '87'
16:34.52prpplagueT0mW: ug, one of my wire transfers from the states is limbo as it is lost somewhere in new orleans
16:42.38T0mWprpplague: heh
16:49.00prpplagueT0mW: dealing with the money transfers is the worst part of living her
16:49.02prpplaguehere
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20:35.08[g2]beewoolie, ping
20:35.15beewoolieHey
20:35.24[g2]did you get those PMs ?
20:36.37[g2]beewoolie did you get the PMs ?
20:36.47beewoolieBy email?
20:36.58[g2]I've been messaging you
20:37.11beewoolieI can see a dialog window.
20:37.19beewoolieAre you talking about IM?
20:37.24[g2]IRC
20:37.41beewoolieI may need to enable something...I'm not seeing anythingspecial.
20:42.48[g2]type /query [g2]
20:42.50[g2]type /query [g2] foo
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20:44.28[g2]WOW kas11 is in the house
20:44.44kas11hiya [g2] :)
20:44.45[g2]kas11 and beewoolie at the same time too special
20:44.50[g2]hey kas11 how goes ?
20:44.58beewoolieHey kas11!
20:45.19kas11can't complain...nobody pays attn if I do anyhow ;)
20:45.33beewoolie[g2]: Nothing from the query
20:45.41kas11hiya beewoolie ;)
20:46.01[g2]you must have Private Messaging turn off
20:46.02beewoolieTries BE Debian yet?
20:46.13beewoolieLet me see if I can find that...
20:46.23[g2]kas11 how are you doing ? what's up ?
20:47.18kas11[g2] doing fine here...and nothing much going on at all
20:47.39[g2]well it's very nice of you to stop by
20:47.45kas11[g2] got any new toys?
20:47.52[g2]OH yeah
20:48.08[g2]I've launched my hw company
20:48.15beewoolieHe's been trying to sharephotos with me, but now he complains that my IRC client is deficient.
20:48.29[g2]beewoolie can't PM
20:48.36beewoolieCAN SO!
20:48.38kas11I been pndering a X2 but they are still priced above my threshhold of pain
20:48.43[g2]then PM me
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20:48.48beewooliegrr
20:49.06[g2]X2 ?
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20:49.26[g2]kas11 see http://www.giantshoulderinc.com
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20:49.27kas11Athlon 64 dualie
20:49.31[g2]AH...
20:49.39[g2]yeah they look sweet
20:50.04[g2]kas11 tell me how you like the pics
20:51.26NAiLbeewoolie: Would it be possible to switch out ppcboot with apex on the ds101g+?
20:51.49[g2]NAiL APEX is an ARM boot loader not PPC
20:51.52beewoolieNAiL: after some work.  APEX has ARM code.
20:51.58NAiLoh
20:52.06[g2]just run DINK32
20:52.08beewoolieI don't know how hard it will be to support PPC.
20:52.16NAiLDINK32?
20:52.24beewoolieARM has some very slick features that make the bootloader easy to write.
20:52.27[g2]yeah the PPC boot loader from Moto
20:52.46NAiLaha
20:55.30NAiLAnyone got any experience with u-boot btw?
20:55.36beewoolieI've used it.
20:55.45beewoolieI wrote APEX because of it.
20:56.05NAiLheh
20:56.19NAiLdoesn't exactly sound promising :P
20:56.23beewoolieIt *does* work.  It's just not very...comfortable.
20:57.57vmasterheh, i've seen worse
20:58.04beewoolieNo doubt.
20:58.33[g2]beewoolie did you get the e-mail ?
20:58.34beewoolieAs I said, it does work.  It can be challenging to figure out how to get it to do some things.  don't really reember what
20:58.38beewoolie...checking
20:59.14NAiLIt doesn't matter that much, I was mostly wondering because I was hoping to get ds101 and ds101g+ to be as close as possible firmware-wise
20:59.23NAiLI don't have a g+ (yet)
20:59.45NAiLand u-boot doesn't appear to support the NIC as of yet either
21:00.23beewoolieHey!  I've got Debian on the slug!  Most excellent!
21:00.29beewooliefree
21:00.33beewoolie...oops?
21:00.47NAiLfree gives you an oops?
21:01.01beewoolietee hee.  Wrong window.
21:01.27dwerybeewoolie: but i'm getting oopses in the other window :)
21:01.33[g2]beewoolie congrats !
21:01.55beewoolieThe LED is blinking..  Interesting feature.
21:02.52[g2]beewoolie didn't read the wiki :)
21:03.05beewoolieNo.  I am reading the wiki
21:03.17beewoolieI'm still intrigued.
21:03.25[g2]well it tells how to turn it off :)
21:03.28beewoolieBTW, it says "play with leds".
21:03.42beewoolie...experimenting...
21:03.47ByronTthis could be interesting: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-developers/message/39
21:04.12NAiLByronT: I'm testing the patch now
21:04.33NAiLI want to see how it handles hubs first
21:04.40beewoolieNice.
21:04.41ByronTwell I saw the LED discussion and I thought I'd post that URL
21:04.59beewoolieSomeone told me there is a 2.0 IAL. Anyone looked at it?
21:05.00NAiLyeah, it's something I've been waiting for ;)
21:05.08NAiLbeewoolie: #nslu2-linux
21:05.16NAiLbeewoolie: It's been the main topic for a day or two
21:05.29beewoolieOh.  Been gone for a couple of weeks.
21:05.30NAiL(If I've understood the discussion)
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21:59.42dyoung-zzzzArr!
22:00.10NAiLheh
22:00.15NAiLmorning dyoung
22:02.00ByronTarrr!
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