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| 16:16.01 | beewoolie-afk | yo peeps |
| 16:16.52 | ka6sox-away | better than perps! |
| 16:20.48 | beewoolie-afk | sheesh. I been perp'n all morning. |
| 16:21.47 | ka6sox-away | he he |
| 16:23.12 | ka6sox-away | 2.5million parts all built by the lowest bidder |
| 16:23.21 | [g2] | beewoolie-afk, hey stack boy |
| 16:23.34 | beewoolie-afk | Almost there... |
| 16:23.35 | [g2] | or should I just call "Stevens" |
| 16:23.51 | beewoolie-afk | I've got rarp, arp, icmp, and ping. |
| 16:24.20 | [g2] | the old BSD 4.3 or 4.4-lite stack was pretty nice and tight iirc |
| 16:24.57 | beewoolie-afk | I didn't find that one. |
| 16:25.15 | beewoolie-afk | I found a uIP stack, but it was missing some key pieces so it wasn't really very useful. |
| 16:25.54 | [g2] | I've got a bunch of old FREEBSD CDs |
| 16:26.08 | [g2] | at least back to 2.0 |
| 16:26.38 | beewoolie-afk | It turns out that the protocols are, for the most part, quite simple. |
| 16:26.51 | ka6sox-away | somewhere I still have the bootloader toggle in sequence for a PDP8E |
| 16:27.10 | beewoolie-afk | tcp is a little more work, but the others have very simple state |
| 16:27.26 | [g2] | nod. |
| 16:27.33 | beewoolie-afk | ka6sox-away: do you have a pdp8? |
| 16:27.42 | ka6sox-away | I wish... |
| 16:27.47 | beewoolie-afk | I've heard they're cheap. |
| 16:27.53 | ka6sox-away | was the first computer I operated. |
| 16:28.04 | [g2] | pretty finicky |
| 16:28.09 | ka6sox-away | yep |
| 16:28.22 | beewoolie-afk | Really? Were they error prone? |
| 16:28.39 | [g2] | we had a girl that could drop one from 30 feet away |
| 16:28.51 | [g2] | it was *spooky* |
| 16:29.07 | ka6sox-away | at 84 deg in the room it would just *stop* |
| 16:29.25 | [g2] | "the good old day" |
| 16:29.32 | [g2] | slugs ROCK |
| 16:29.56 | ka6sox-away | scary part is that the slug has *much* more horsepower and memory. |
| 16:30.13 | [g2] | hell the caches are almost bigger :) |
| 16:30.23 | ka6sox-away | um...yes.... |
| 16:30.34 | beewoolie-afk | ka6sox-away: btw, how do you desolder memory chips? Do you use a heat gun? |
| 16:30.41 | ka6sox-away | yes |
| 16:30.44 | [g2] | speaking of which have you guys run Zork on the Slug ? |
| 16:31.01 | beewoolie-afk | I read that there is a way to use low-temp solder to make the job easier. |
| 16:31.12 | ka6sox-away | ya. |
| 16:31.54 | beewoolie-afk | Do you have any details? Is the heat gun easier? |
| 16:32.07 | ka6sox-away | removal requires the gun. |
| 16:32.29 | beewoolie-afk | There's a piece in Make about it, but I don't have it any more. |
| 16:32.36 | ka6sox-away | soldering can be done via gun (with paste) or individual pins (if you are steady enough) |
| 16:32.49 | beewoolie-afk | this seems to be way easier |
| 16:33.18 | beewoolie-afk | The low-temp solder would flow into the solder on the board and lower the melting temp of the solder on the pins. |
| 16:33.38 | beewoolie-afk | It meant that the whole process could be done with a normal soldering iron |
| 16:34.22 | ka6sox-away | pins are *very small and close together* |
| 16:34.48 | ka6sox-away | so a normal soldering iron would just create solder bridges. |
| 16:35.22 | beewoolie-afk | They used enough of the low-temp solder such that that didn't seem to matter. |
| 16:35.47 | beewoolie-afk | Don't misunderstand me. I don't quite get it myself, but I thought I'd ask some experts. |
| 16:38.45 | beewoolie-afk | So, you use a heat gun and a heat shield? |
| 16:39.26 | ka6sox-away | yes |
| 16:39.42 | ka6sox-away | the nozzles are shaped for the individual chips. |
| 16:40.31 | ka6sox-away | off to the mine...back in a bit. |
| 16:40.33 | beewoolie-afk | And there is a vacuum that sucks up the solder and chip once it is free? |
| 16:40.39 | beewoolie-afk | ttfn |
| 16:40.56 | ka6sox-away | it lifts the chip off the board. |
| 16:48.11 | beewoolie-afk | [g2]: btw, I made a change to the APEX config so that we can build a non-BE version for the ixp's. It's now a config option. |
| 16:48.29 | beewoolie-afk | Actually, it was always a config option. Now it is user selectable on the IXPs. |
| 16:48.51 | [g2] | beewoolie-afk, cool. So you didn't make separate default config ? |
| 16:49.05 | beewoolie-afk | Not yet. I'll do so when I make the release. |
| 16:49.13 | [g2] | ok... |
| 16:49.15 | [g2] | THX |
| 16:49.21 | beewoolie-afk | I want to get the network code working as it's really close. |
| 16:49.36 | beewoolie-afk | apex> copy tftp://192.168.8.1/apex.bin 0x20000000 |
| 16:49.36 | beewoolie-afk | tftp_open: d->c 2 d->iRoot 1 '192.168.8.1' 'apex.bin' |
| 16:50.51 | [g2] | neat! |
| 16:51.16 | [g2] | makes for quick testing |
| 16:51.30 | beewoolie-afk | I thought so, too. It means that I can implement writing at some point. |
| 16:51.50 | beewoolie-afk | And that will be really helpful for testing, too. |
| 16:52.08 | [g2] | yes, but reading much more so |
| 16:52.16 | beewoolie-afk | Indeed. |
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| 17:58.53 | beewoolie-afk | Yipee! It works. TFTP works! |
| 17:59.54 | [g2] | beewoolie-afk, CONGRATS! You Big Dog! |
| 18:00.02 | [g2] | beewoolie-afk, IS THE MAN! |
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