IRC log for #openezx on 20091228

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12:05.02yoenhello everyone :D
12:18.16ao2yo yoen
12:18.58yoenhaha
12:20.37yoenno wonder our latest update date is "2009-Mar-22"
12:22.24yoenno offense :D
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12:38.54ao2yoen, you mean on the website, don't you? We'll release a new boot_usb version soon and refresh that page a little bit
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16:04.27Neostriderhello there
16:07.02mickeyl|fluyo
16:11.52Neostriderthats up, besides your flu?
16:17.38mickeyl|fluhehe, not much
16:18.19mickeyl|flubuilding latest openezx kernel to play with the MUXing protocol later this week
16:18.59Neostriderabout userlands, have you ever heard of Mer?
16:19.38mickeyl|flusure
16:20.13mickeyl|flumight be interesting, although they want to use the maemo middleware and stay close to it
16:20.33mickeyl|fluif the UI is cool, we could check whether we can "fix" it to use FSO as middleware
16:20.59NeostriderI have both a 770 and a A1200 and I was wondering if its possible to have OpenEZX+Mer UI on my A1200i
16:21.18Neostrider(sorry, Im kind of newbie - what is FSO?)
16:21.38NeostriderI belive Mer is so good that Im trying to bring it to my EeePC
16:23.10mickeyl|fluFSO is middleware
16:23.19mickeyl|fluOpenezx is just a kernel
16:23.25mickeyl|fluand most other things are just applications
16:23.30mickeyl|fluso you need some services in between
16:23.39mickeyl|flufor accessing phone, gps, misc. other hardware
16:26.00Neostriderand what is the status of those in PXA270?
16:28.00mickeyl|fluwell, that's more a question of the peripheral chips than the pxa270. CPU support is ok since long, but custom chips are only recently supported in mainline.
16:28.02mickeyl|fluthis is what openezx is about
16:28.08mickeyl|flumainline support for the EZX peripheral devices
16:28.28mickeyl|fluthen there's folks like SHR and Mer who work on actual UI stacks
16:30.42NeostriderI see...SHR is the name of the UI for OM?
16:33.24mickeyl|flulets say the FreeRunner is the best supported device
16:33.43mickeyl|flubut there is not much in SHR that would make it openmoko specific
16:36.42Neostridermaybe im too dumb, but I cant really understand that first UI
16:37.01Neostridermaybe its me, as I cant understand the new UI for maemo (the one on the N900)
16:40.55mickeyl|fluhehe
16:40.58mickeyl|fluwell, UI is always subjective
16:41.11mickeyl|fluand there's a lot to be done ...
16:41.58Neostridersure, but when compared with what has already been done, it is wonderful
16:42.18Neostriderok, maybe i didnt expressed myself correctly
16:42.34Neostrider"the amount of work already done is amazing"
16:46.54mickeyl|flufor sure. the n900 seems to be much of an improvement over the older tablets
16:47.26Neostrider(I mean OM and the embedded linux community ;-D )
16:49.03mickeyl|fluah, right
16:49.05mickeyl|fluyeah
16:49.09mickeyl|flulots of things have been done
16:49.19mickeyl|flupity that not much is appreciated by the big names
16:49.32mickeyl|fluthey keep on working on lots of closed stuff
16:49.35mickeyl|fluin the name of "protecting IP"
16:50.08mickeyl|fluso it looks pretty bad for those who just want to use their hardware
16:50.13mickeyl|flusince you have a hard time to put something open on it
16:50.25mickeyl|fluthat's why the FreeRunner is so popular despite its many flaws and bugs
16:50.30mickeyl|flustill the only open thing out there
16:51.43NeostriderI belive EZX phone owners know this VERY well - its emblematic
16:51.50mickeyl|flucorrect
16:51.54Neostriderthats why I like Maemo so much
16:52.01Neostriderit still gives you the power
16:52.09mickeyl|fluyes, Maemo is better than EZX in that regard. but it's still far from open
16:53.22Neostrideryeah...too bad N8x0 owners still cant use GL ES
16:54.05mickeyl|fluyeah, and charging the battery is also problematic
16:54.17mickeyl|flunot to speak of the closed wifi drivers
16:56.10Neostrideris it possible to run openEZX inside a emulator?
16:56.55mickeyl|fluthe kernel?
16:57.03mickeyl|fluqemu might run openezx
16:57.14mickeyl|flubut it will not have any phone hardware, so it's of very limited use
16:57.31Neostriderany complete pure ARM5 ,ARM6 or XScale stack?
16:57.49Neostriderits just for debugging SDL apps ;-)
16:58.03mickeyl|fluwell, SDL apps should run fine in qemu
16:58.04Neostridersee, Im a open source game developer =-)
16:58.07mickeyl|fluit emulates a touchscreen board
16:58.25Neostriderbut I've seen a few oddities with SDL apps on my phone that I dont see on x86 or n770
17:00.10Neostridermy lastest game (dont laugh =-P) :
17:00.12Neostriderhttp://batterypoweredgames.blogspot.com/2009/10/angstron-2-droid-hunter-final-release.html
17:00.43mickeyl|flucool
17:01.08mickeyl|fluyou're running this on EZX?
17:01.32mickeyl|fluwith some hacked version of the MOTO os?
17:02.42Neostridervanilla EZX + packaing software to allow running native apps
17:03.08Neostriderspeaking of hacking the OS, I've been wondering for some time if I could hack a .jar file to carry a native app
17:03.17Neostriderso I could install my game on unmodded phones
17:03.38mickeyl|fluif you can run a system process from java, then perhaps
17:03.46mickeyl|flubut i thought the sandbox prohibits that
17:04.35NeostriderI mean: have you ever opened a .deb file?
17:05.01Neostriderit carries the complete path and , just like .jar, is a regular zip (or tar?) file
17:05.22Neostriderand the java could handle the registration and unregistration on the phone's menu system
17:24.30Neostridergtg []s
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23:30.23tmztneo: motomodders.net can do a lot of things
23:30.50tmztdeb is an ar containg a tar.gz/tar.bz2/tar.lzma

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