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| 12:38.31 | WyrM | ao2: regexp hell: http://www.pastebin.ca/1437691 |
| 12:38.47 | WyrM | ao2: test with http://www.pastebin.ca/1437694 |
| 12:50.56 | ao2 | WyrM, have I ever told you you're crazy? :) |
| 12:55.11 | WyrM | ao2: just some fun while I wait for pcap reviews. ;) |
| 12:56.29 | ao2 | yeah, Lindent needs to be updated as well :P |
| 12:56.43 | ao2 | jokes apart, looks good |
| 13:03.35 | ao2 | WyrM, still silence about pcap, that's not good, what about CCing also the MC13783 driver devs next time? |
| 13:06.32 | WyrM | ao2: hum... our driver would not work for ATLAS as it is now. |
| 13:06.57 | WyrM | im thinking in sending to akpm with cc to sameo next time. |
| 13:07.28 | WyrM | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.50 | ao2 | isn't Samuel Ortiz reachable over IRC? |
| 13:08.14 | WyrM | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.17 | ao2 | I pinged Richard Purdie on IRC when it didn't reply to my mail about a led driver |
| 13:08.30 | WyrM | don't know if he is on irc. |
| 13:09.13 | ao2 | let's find this out |
| 13:09.23 | tmzt | try #poky |
| 13:10.06 | WyrM | tmzt: his nick is sameo? |
| 13:10.50 | WyrM | Last seen : May 08 00:12:26 2009 (2 weeks, 6 days, 12:57:55 ago) |
| 13:11.16 | tmzt | no, rp |
| 13:11.36 | WyrM | tmzt: looking for Samuel Ortiz, not Richard Purdie. |
| 13:11.47 | tmzt | oh, not idea then |
| 13:14.49 | tmzt | WyrM: busy? |
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| 13:21.26 | WyrM | tmzt: not really. :) |
| 13:21.53 | tmzt | can you help in openandra in #linwizard with a asoc/dma thing? |
| 13:23.13 | WyrM | dma? I did no dma code for asoc :) |
| 13:23.35 | WyrM | but I can idle in there and see if I can help on something ;) |
| 13:23.47 | tmzt | cool |
| 13:24.00 | tmzt | have you seen the generic pxa dma proposal? |
| 13:24.21 | WyrM | just the mail threads. |
| 13:24.39 | WyrM | but it seems that the performace is not good. |
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| 14:37.20 | PFalcon | Howdy. I'm interested in using OpenEZX with a MotoRokr E8, does anyone have experience with this? |
| 14:47.34 | WyrM | OpenEZX doesn't run on e8. |
| 14:47.38 | WyrM | e8 is not ezx. :/ |
| 14:47.44 | PFalcon | Oh really? |
| 14:48.02 | PFalcon | Any information on what it is? |
| 14:48.19 | WyrM | its MAGX, SCM-A11 platform. |
| 14:48.34 | WyrM | MXC + starcore DSP. |
| 14:50.45 | PFalcon | From the source posted on opensource.motorola.com for the rokre8, is it possible to rebuild? |
| 14:51.17 | WyrM | maybe. |
| 14:51.37 | WyrM | but you will have a lot of trouble to get it running on the device. |
| 14:51.57 | PFalcon | I guess the challenge then is how to load it on the device. I don't want to use illegal tools like RSD Lite. |
| 14:52.11 | WyrM | it probably uses a device tree, so no platform configuration bits on the kernel, all come from the bootloader. |
| 14:52.22 | WyrM | and its RSA signed everywhere. |
| 14:52.55 | WyrM | some people already figured how to remove the RSA checking. |
| 14:52.58 | PFalcon | I've seen unsigned E8 firmwares that have been created I thought. |
| 14:53.27 | WyrM | but you will have to download an illegal bootloader. |
| 14:53.36 | PFalcon | ya which I don't want to do :(. |
| 14:53.56 | PFalcon | I dont know enough about the bootloader it comes with |
| 14:53.58 | WyrM | or dump it from your own device, and follow instructions on how to hack it yourself. |
| 14:54.08 | WyrM | and risk doing a mistake and bricking it. :( |
| 14:54.15 | PFalcon | Ya I've dumped the a number of the Code Segments. |
| 14:54.23 | PFalcon | I don't care abot bricking it. |
| 14:55.12 | WyrM | instructions are on a russian forum. |
| 14:55.14 | PFalcon | Do you know anything about the stock bootloader? |
| 14:55.21 | WyrM | let me search for it, just a min. |
| 14:55.29 | PFalcon | Oh ya? Thanks... |
| 14:55.30 | WyrM | no, I don't own a magx phone yet. |
| 14:55.34 | WyrM | only ezx. |
| 14:58.47 | WyrM | http://forum.motofan.ru/index.php?showtopic=157514 |
| 14:59.07 | WyrM | there are instructions on how to exploit irom to disable rsa checking. |
| 14:59.28 | WyrM | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.41 | PFalcon | I'll take a look I guess. |
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| 14:59.43 | WyrM | its your call to go the long or the short way ;) |
| 15:01.00 | WyrM | but a full linux port on e8 is something hard to do. |
| 15:01.33 | WyrM | the modem interface is shmem, with a lot of proprietary crap on userspace. |
| 15:01.55 | PFalcon | hmm. |
| 15:02.04 | WyrM | no AT, no serial port, everything is non-standard. |
| 15:02.15 | PFalcon | So then people who are creating these E8 firmwares are creating them how? Or are they just 'modified'. |
| 15:02.29 | WyrM | yep, just modified :) |
| 15:03.07 | tmzt | somebody could get a basic mxc kernel working? |
| 15:03.20 | WyrM | tmzt: afaik NO. |
| 15:03.35 | PFalcon | ya it would be nice to get a mxc kernel working. |
| 15:03.46 | tmzt | because the dsp is specific to these devices? |
| 15:03.48 | PFalcon | but I don't think that source is posted on opensource.motorola.com |
| 15:03.58 | WyrM | the best people could do is to use the original linux kernel to boot a self built kernel (from the moto sources). |
| 15:04.35 | tmzt | just an arm kernel, do all the mach- stuff ourselves (openmagx' selves I mean) |
| 15:05.09 | tmzt | how is it so different from the stuff being submitted upstream for mx1, mx2 and other variants? |
| 15:05.18 | WyrM | the moto kernel is using the OFT stuff that is causing a lot of spam on my mailbox currently. |
| 15:05.28 | WyrM | so a lot of stuff comes from the bootloader. |
| 15:05.48 | tmzt | OFT? |
| 15:05.59 | WyrM | code for the boot from kernel stuff is on: http://people.openezx.org/dmitriy/boot/ |
| 15:06.09 | tmzt | something like powerpc uses? openfirmware/dts |
| 15:06.10 | WyrM | the thing they use on sparc/ppc. |
| 15:06.17 | WyrM | yep. |
| 15:06.40 | tmzt | it's not too bad, the new powerpc (versus ppc/ppc64) is pretty clean |
| 15:06.58 | tmzt | I have a redwood device that I hope to someday run 2.6 on |
| 15:07.07 | tmzt | it waits though :) |
| 15:07.08 | WyrM | heh, moto uses of this doesn't seem exactly to be able to boot a single kernel on multiple devices. |
| 15:07.10 | WyrM | :) |
| 15:07.16 | WyrM | unlike some people said on lkml. |
| 15:07.51 | WyrM | its more to not release some interesting bits on kernel. And make we have even more work to do something useful with these phones. |
| 15:08.15 | WyrM | that's what I think at least. ;) |
| 15:08.47 | tmzt | I agree with that, they are very obfuscated and make no sense |
| 15:09.13 | WyrM | the moto kernel itself is a big #ifdef mess. |
| 15:09.22 | tmzt | but there is the effort upstream to get a supported mach, I just don't see why one variant of this soc would be so different from another |
| 15:09.25 | WyrM | no way they can use a single build on more than one device. |
| 15:09.50 | WyrM | (unlike us, that use no DT and a single build runs on 6 different devices). |
| 15:10.17 | tmzt | arm uses platform_bus, it's just a difference |
| 15:10.33 | tmzt | if well written dt can replace it as a bus and the drivers can still be bound to it |
| 15:10.47 | tmzt | or you can replace the bootloader and do what you want (if the rsa is non-issue) |
| 15:11.34 | PFalcon | ya the bootloader replacement seems interesting. |
| 15:11.55 | WyrM | tmzt: the problem with dt and replacing bootloader is that people are afraid of bootloader hacking. |
| 15:12.03 | WyrM | see mioa701 and all the palms. |
| 15:12.14 | WyrM | all have ugly hacks just for suspend/resume. |
| 15:12.32 | tmzt | openmagx != motofan |
| 15:12.34 | WyrM | we just hacked the bootloader to use mainline way of resume. |
| 15:16.00 | PFalcon | so just (tried to) read through the russian link you sent above. |
| 15:19.08 | PFalcon | What is the best way to modify the bootloader? |
| 15:19.20 | PFalcon | on the E8, that is. |
| 15:23.45 | WyrM | don't know :( |
| 15:23.58 | WyrM | I never did the thing myself. |
| 15:24.53 | WyrM | as far as I understand they abuse a table that irom reads to patch something that the bootloader/kernel has no access. |
| 15:25.35 | PFalcon | Does using tools like MMBackup read the bootloader as well? |
| 15:25.52 | WyrM | I don't know about mmbackup. |
| 15:26.12 | PFalcon | What's the best way to read the bootloader (and firmware)? |
| 15:27.09 | WyrM | on magx I don't know. On ezx we load some software with usb that reads all the flash for us. |
| 15:27.30 | PFalcon | ya i think i saw that on the openezx site. |
| 15:27.33 | PFalcon | boot_usb |
| 15:30.35 | tmzt | MMBackup? is that for linux? |
| 15:31.20 | PFalcon | its a windows tool i belive. |
| 15:32.06 | tmzt | do you have a link? Flash and Backup doesn't support cdma devices unfortunately for me |
| 15:32.39 | PFalcon | ya let me find it... |
| 15:33.07 | PFalcon | oh an FYI the MBM is in CodeGroup 30 on the E8. |
| 15:33.49 | tmzt | cg's are just nand partitions? |
| 15:37.24 | PFalcon | MMBackup can be found here (http://www.e8mod.com/index.php/pc-software/17-mmbackup-001-with-e8-loader.html) |
| 15:38.00 | WyrM | yes, cgs are partitions. |
| 15:38.17 | WyrM | on ezx there are cgs for pxa flash and for neptune flash tough. |
| 15:41.45 | PFalcon | i wonder how hard it would be to have boot_usb work on MAGX |
| 15:41.58 | PFalcon | at least to read the MBM |
| 15:42.01 | WyrM | PFalcon: not hard at all. |
| 15:42.08 | WyrM | problem is signature as always :) |
| 15:42.24 | WyrM | the code that boot_usb loads to the device needs to be signed on magx. |
| 15:42.26 | PFalcon | well you mean the signature is a problem for writing. |
| 15:42.40 | PFalcon | I'm talking about just reading CG30. |
| 15:42.51 | PFalcon | as a first step. |
| 15:43.03 | WyrM | the bootloader in general just provides a way for you to load code and execute it. |
| 15:43.32 | WyrM | reading from flash and sending to host is handled by another software, that we load with boot_usb or flash on the phone. |
| 15:43.53 | PFalcon | ah so you boot a kernel that can read the irom? |
| 15:44.22 | WyrM | we use a modified blob to do this. |
| 15:44.26 | WyrM | not a linux kernel. |
| 15:44.34 | WyrM | but this is on ezx, not on magx. |
| 15:44.52 | WyrM | the irom stuff doesn't exist on ezx. |
| 15:44.53 | PFalcon | so no blob on the magx? |
| 15:45.09 | WyrM | no. |
| 15:45.51 | PFalcon | so you say its easy to get boot_usb to work on magx devices, but that doesn't get us much since we can't do much from there for two reasons: |
| 15:46.00 | PFalcon | 1. No way around signatures |
| 15:46.21 | PFalcon | 2. Don't have blob to execute code |
| 15:46.45 | WyrM | the problem is that there is no real legal way of freeing magx devices. |
| 15:47.12 | WyrM | if I write a new bootloader from scratch, fully gpl, with no sig checking. |
| 15:47.38 | WyrM | then you will need to use a signed RDL (Ram downloader) from motorola to flash it to your device. |
| 15:47.52 | WyrM | or use jtag (supposing its not somehow blocked). |
| 15:48.02 | tmzt | not the kernel module thing? |
| 15:48.05 | PFalcon | which technically you can get from reading. |
| 15:48.16 | WyrM | hum. |
| 15:48.17 | PFalcon | you can get a signed RDL from a phone. |
| 15:48.26 | WyrM | the kernel module think may work, you are right. :) |
| 15:48.37 | WyrM | rdl doesn't come on phones. |
| 15:48.47 | WyrM | rdl comes on firmware files. |
| 15:48.53 | WyrM | usually cg1~3 |
| 15:49.03 | WyrM | or named RDL<something> |
| 15:49.16 | tmzt | but it only downloads signed ram blocks? |
| 15:49.45 | WyrM | the bootloader downloads anything you send to it. |
| 15:49.56 | WyrM | but only executes it if the signature is ok. |
| 15:50.10 | tmzt | ok |
| 15:50.12 | PFalcon | hmm. |
| 15:50.39 | PFalcon | So get a RDL (signed) and send it along with whatever else you want to execute? |
| 15:50.54 | WyrM | rdl downloads and flashes anything you send to it. But the phone will only boot the next time if the signatures are ok. |
| 15:51.02 | tmzt | I mean does RDL check signatures, otherwise what's the point of signing it? |
| 15:51.11 | tmzt | that's right |
| 15:51.16 | tmzt | the cg thing |
| 15:51.37 | tmzt | so we have to have haret.ko :) |
| 15:52.12 | WyrM | tmzt: http://people.openezx.org/dmitriy/boot/ |
| 15:52.27 | tmzt | is mtd/flash protected once code is running? or bootloader is signed, what executes bootloader is signed, down to rom bootloader? |
| 15:52.42 | WyrM | bootloader is signed. |
| 15:52.54 | WyrM | irom checks bootloader. |
| 15:53.07 | WyrM | kernel is signed, bootloader checks kernel. |
| 15:53.10 | tmzt | irom? |
| 15:53.36 | WyrM | yep, a kind of read only boot memory. |
| 15:53.41 | WyrM | really read only. |
| 15:54.07 | tmzt | otp? |
| 15:54.31 | WyrM | probably. |
| 15:55.05 | WyrM | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.07 | PFalcon | so that bootloader from the russian forums is an unsigned bootloader |
| 15:55.29 | WyrM | PFalcon: or with an invalid signature. |
| 15:55.49 | WyrM | but it exploits a flaw that is executed before the sig checking by irom. |
| 15:57.12 | PFalcon | so how did you pull the irom off? |
| 15:57.19 | WyrM | I? |
| 15:57.23 | WyrM | I didn't :) |
| 15:57.29 | PFalcon | and thats only on magx devices. |
| 16:00.17 | PFalcon | WyrM: I'm confused. |
| 16:01.15 | WyrM | yep, this is really confusing :) |
| 16:01.30 | tmzt | e8 is magx, the devices supported here are not |
| 16:01.39 | WyrM | and to make it worst, the people responsible for hacking this doesn't post in english. :( |
| 16:02.04 | PFalcon | ya i get that... I'm confused on pulling down the irom, id like to know how to do such things hehe. |
| 16:05.21 | WyrM | you need to talk to dimichxp. |
| 16:05.31 | WyrM | he is the one that did most of the magx unlocking stuff. |
| 16:08.22 | PFalcon | Guess he isn't around :( |
| 16:08.52 | WyrM | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.13 | PFalcon | Ok. |
| 16:09.18 | WyrM | Dmitriy Taychenachev. |
| 16:11.41 | WyrM | he is the one that first disabled security hashes on kernel modules. And did a lot of reverse engineering on irom code. |
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| 16:56.29 | PFalcon | WyrM: Do you mind if I include you as the poc who gave me his email? |
| 16:57.16 | WyrM | PFalcon: its ok. :) |
| 16:57.23 | PFalcon | ok, thanks. |
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| 17:52.04 | WyrM | got a reply from Samuel. :) |
| 17:52.53 | WyrM | what he asks is quite simple... |
| 17:52.56 | WyrM | BUT.. |
| 17:53.14 | WyrM | all subdevices will need to #include <linux/workqueue.h> |
| 17:53.20 | WyrM | which I think is bad. :( |
| 17:55.02 | WyrM | or we store the workqueue as void * and convert it where it is needed on pcap code? |
| 17:55.23 | WyrM | pH5: your suggestion is appreciated. ^^ |
| 17:57.33 | WyrM | same with struct spi_device I think. |
| 18:00.46 | pH5 | WyrM: why not just declare struct pcap_chip; / struct spi_device; and then use proper struct pcap_chip * pointers? |
| 18:01.07 | pH5 | no need to spread out the internals, look at include/linux/clk.h for example. |
| 18:02.18 | WyrM | pH5: this way I keep the core internals private? |
| 18:02.23 | WyrM | looking at clk.h |
| 18:02.53 | pH5 | yes. it's better than void * for type safety. |
| 18:03.20 | WyrM | didn't know I could do this! :) |
| 18:03.22 | WyrM | thanks! |
| 18:20.08 | CIA-33 | OpenEZX: 03Daniel Ribeiro <drwyrm@gmail.com> 07ezx/current * r1283012ac4 10openezx/ (drivers/mfd/ezx-pcap.c include/linux/mfd/ezx-pcap.h): Pass struct pcap_chip * instead of void * as per Samuel Ortiz comments. |
| 18:20.18 | CIA-33 | OpenEZX: 03Daniel Ribeiro <drwyrm@gmail.com> 07ezx/current * r9f31aa4780 10openezx/drivers/mfd/ezx-pcap.c: Fix int_sel assignment at probe, whitespace fixes |
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| 18:52.12 | stefan_schmidt | hi all |
| 18:52.20 | WyrM | hi stefan_schmidt |
| 18:52.23 | stefan_schmidt | WyrM: Just seen that Samual gave you some feedback |
| 18:52.44 | stefan_schmidt | WyrM: Seems pcap is in shape for going in. Finally! :) |
| 18:52.44 | WyrM | yep, seems that finally we will have pcap mainline :) |
| 18:52.47 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 18:53.04 | stefan_schmidt | That make the way free for a lot things :) |
| 18:53.10 | WyrM | other drivers are much easier. |
| 18:53.15 | stefan_schmidt | thinks that is *really* great news |
| 18:53.26 | WyrM | now things should move on a constant rhythm. |
| 18:53.26 | stefan_schmidt | yeah, and some are already acked |
| 18:53.31 | stefan_schmidt | TS and RTC IIRC |
| 18:53.39 | WyrM | but the ack is not valid anymore. |
| 18:53.43 | stefan_schmidt | sure |
| 18:53.44 | WyrM | too many things changed. |
| 18:53.47 | stefan_schmidt | need a new review |
| 19:24.30 | WyrM | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.09 | stefan_schmidt | WyrM: oh, even that one |
| 19:25.23 | stefan_schmidt | WyrM: Why do they show up that late all. grr |
| 19:25.31 | stefan_schmidt | WyrM: Have a link for me? |
| 19:25.38 | WyrM | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.50 | stefan_schmidt | WyrM: ah, so it's not public |
| 19:26.24 | WyrM | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.29 | WyrM | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.55 | stefan_schmidt | WyrM: well, just keep it. |
| 19:27.07 | stefan_schmidt | WyrM: I don't see me hacking on it soon anyway. |
| 19:27.15 | stefan_schmidt | Still good to know we have one around |
| 19:28.00 | WyrM | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.22 | WyrM | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.35 | stefan_schmidt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.57 | WyrM | Well, its moto.. ;) |
| 19:29.09 | WyrM | I think they had a lot of PCAP chips on stock. |
| 19:29.26 | WyrM | and wanted to use instead of shipping ATLAS on the phones. |
| 19:29.40 | WyrM | so they made EOC to workaround PCAP limitations. :) |
| 19:29.51 | stefan_schmidt | oh, yes, I know the story about having a big stock which *must* be used. |
| 19:30.11 | stefan_schmidt | That gave us the ti calypso and the case for the GTA01&02 |
| 19:31.26 | WyrM | stock from a previous company? |
| 19:31.49 | WyrM | I tought that gta01 was the first product from Openmoko Inc. |
| 19:32.45 | stefan_schmidt | WyrM: yeah, but it's mother FIC had the stock from previous projects |
| 19:33.11 | WyrM | ohh, I forgot about Openmoko origins. :) |
| 19:33.15 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
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| 21:44.58 | ao2 | WyrM, another test for c.vim http://pastebin.ca/1438562 |
| 21:45.13 | ao2 | and a fix http://pastebin.ca/1438564 |
| 21:45.18 | WyrM | ao2: I updated it already. |
| 21:45.26 | WyrM | there were a lot of false positives. |
| 21:45.28 | ao2 | ah ok :) |
| 21:45.53 | WyrM | I sent to you as a joke, but if you want to use it too, I can put it on svn.openezx :) |
| 21:46.22 | ao2 | why not, many useful things start as a joke :) |
| 21:46.26 | WyrM | im updating it while I fix coding style on cfi_cmdset_0001.c (the worst file I can see on the kernel). |
| 21:50.08 | WyrM | I had the issue with parentheses with "void (*callback)(void);" |
| 21:50.33 | WyrM | I will send my current version to svn, just a min. |
| 21:54.38 | CIA-33 | OpenEZX: 03wyrm * r2465 10/trunk/src/host/misc: Import |
| 21:55.17 | WyrM | err, file was imported with the wrong name. |
| 21:56.14 | CIA-33 | OpenEZX: 03wyrm * r2466 10/trunk/src/host/misc: delete |
| 21:56.51 | CIA-33 | OpenEZX: 03wyrm * r2467 10/trunk/src/host/misc/ (. c.vim): Import |
| 22:25.50 | CIA-33 | OpenEZX: 03wyrm * r2468 10/trunk/src/host/misc/c.vim: tests for (cond ? true : false) |
| 22:48.05 | CIA-33 | OpenEZX: 03wyrm * r2469 10/trunk/src/host/misc/c.vim: allow '(-var' and '(+var' |
| 22:52.23 | CIA-33 | OpenEZX: 03wyrm * r2470 10/trunk/src/host/misc/c.vim: allow prototype on multiple lines |
| 23:09.59 | CIA-33 | OpenEZX: 03wyrm * r2471 10/trunk/src/host/misc/c.vim: Space before comma is ugly |
| 23:17.48 | ao2 | see you tomorrow |
| 23:59.05 | *** join/#openezx bjk (n=bjk@82.sub-75-201-40.myvzw.com) |