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| 05:27.00 | jonwil | hi |
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| 09:39.55 | ghane | morning |
| 10:07.51 | jonwil | hi |
| 10:15.07 | ghane | whats up |
| 10:15.42 | jonwil | not much |
| 10:16.04 | jonwil | I guess my next step is to post some more how-tos (i.e. how to do specific changes to the unpacked CG43 and CG52) |
| 10:16.31 | jonwil | Thats unless something shows up in terms of a way to run kernel code or otherwise gain access to the system |
| 10:17.22 | ghane | i havent looked at the phone in over two weeks now :( |
| 10:19.32 | jonwil | you just need to look at what you are doing instead and stop doing as much of it as you can :) |
| 10:19.49 | jonwil | obviously, work, sleep etc you cant stop |
| 10:19.56 | ghane | i dont understand it, i'm really not motivated at the moment |
| 10:20.07 | ghane | last week was too much work :( |
| 10:20.20 | jonwil | I guess the question is, if you were going to do anything, what would you do? |
| 10:20.35 | ghane | good question |
| 10:20.59 | ghane | well try to look at the MBM would be something that i would like to do |
| 10:21.07 | jonwil | do you know anything about ARM |
| 10:21.14 | jonwil | if you dont, I dont see that there is much you can do |
| 10:22.08 | ghane | not really, but i've made some lowlevel coding on other platforms a long time ago |
| 10:22.42 | ghane | lol, just have to start studying the arm instruction set :) |
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| 10:58.16 | flyhorse|linux | e6 can use sdhc now ? |
| 11:02.58 | jonwil | wishes he could find a kernel guru who is interested in working on motomgax |
| 11:11.20 | flyhorse|linux | . |
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| 11:12.03 | ghane2 | jonwil: what was the link to the magx compiler stuff? |
| 11:13.38 | jonwil | https://ezx.darktech.org/trac/browser/trunk/arm-eabi |
| 11:13.43 | jonwil | Thats the SVN you want to check out |
| 11:13.44 | ghane2 | thanks |
| 11:13.53 | jonwil | Its what I have that built binaries that worked (i.e. hello world) |
| 11:15.10 | ghane2 | thats great |
| 11:16.18 | ghane2 | svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/trac/browser/trunk/arm-eabi' |
| 11:16.19 | ghane2 | crap |
| 11:26.57 | p3t3r__ | ao2: Any progress in development for A910? |
| 11:27.43 | jonwil | I doubt anyone is working on a910 |
| 11:30.48 | p3t3r__ | jonwil: I doubt you're right with that |
| 11:31.08 | jonwil | most people seem to be interested in a780 and e680 |
| 11:31.25 | flyhorse|linux | .. |
| 11:31.29 | p3t3r__ | jonwil: sure. but ao2 has an A910... ;) |
| 11:31.34 | jonwil | ok |
| 11:31.41 | jonwil | didnt know that |
| 11:31.53 | flyhorse|linux | e6 is no one interestd in ? |
| 11:32.16 | ghane2 | isnt the E6 a problem since there is no kernel source for it? |
| 11:32.35 | flyhorse|linux | o... |
| 11:34.22 | p3t3r__ | btw, those A910 are quite cheap on ebay UK.. :) .. and probably there `ll be a solution to use wifi for websurfing soon |
| 11:34.37 | flyhorse|linux | and how about 1200 ? |
| 11:34.45 | flyhorse|linux | . |
| 11:35.45 | p3t3r__ | https://opensource.motorola.com/sf/sfmain/do/home |
| 11:36.04 | p3t3r__ | there is a kernel source for E6 |
| 11:36.49 | ghane2 | p3t3r__: no, there is everything but kernel-source |
| 11:37.06 | p3t3r__ | ghane2: ok. |
| 11:38.06 | flyhorse|linux | o ~~ |
| 11:38.30 | p3t3r__ | one of E6,E2,A910,A1200 problems is supporting screen colours (at least it was when i was here some time ago) |
| 11:39.41 | jonwil | Arent motorola violating the GPL by not posting the e6 kernel source? |
| 11:39.48 | p3t3r__ | http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=e2cPCYRIEtc |
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| 11:40.44 | jonwil | Although given their current woes, going after them legally for the kernel source for a phone they no longer make or sell may not be the best idea... |
| 11:41.01 | jonwil | In fact, since they no longer make or sell it, are they even in violation of the GPL? |
| 11:41.10 | p3t3r__ | jonwil: might be. but as it is always with legal issues: it needs a closer look at things |
| 11:43.51 | ghane2 | wonder if i should try and get an E6 too |
| 11:44.06 | ghane2 | quite cheap now with the low USD |
| 11:44.58 | jonwil | is the z6 the only linux phone u have? |
| 11:45.11 | ghane2 | i've got a Greenphone too |
| 11:45.19 | jonwil | oh ok |
| 11:45.37 | jonwil | Are you interested in obtaining the openmoko FIC phone? |
| 11:45.44 | ghane2 | will do |
| 11:45.51 | ghane2 | once the freerunner is out |
| 11:45.56 | jonwil | ok yeah |
| 11:46.06 | p3t3r__ | has only got linux phones: A910, E680i, E28 E2831, HTC Universal ;) |
| 11:46.09 | ghane2 | you just have to love the screen of that device |
| 11:46.27 | ghane2 | p3t3r__: the Universal isnt really a linux phone :P |
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| 11:46.43 | ghane2 | p3t3r__: btw, the E28 is it hackable? |
| 11:47.01 | p3t3r__ | ghane2: but linux images work great on it... |
| 11:47.20 | ghane2 | p3t3r__: ok, i didnt have any luck with my HTC devices |
| 11:48.45 | p3t3r__ | ghane2: well, ask that in #twin or on http://www.opentwin.org ... afaik it isn't - but maybe something changed.. e28 guys are able to run android on it - but they didn't release anything yet |
| 11:49.05 | jonwil | If a manufacturer (any manufacturer) ever releases a linux phone in either a candybar or slide form factor that has a native code SDK, I would SERIOUSLY consider buying one |
| 11:49.12 | jonwil | But I doubt that will happen anytime soon |
| 11:49.26 | jonwil | (a phone with a non-crippled native code SDK that is) |
| 11:49.34 | ghane2 | p3t3r__: well, they can run whatever they want on it, the question is if we can do that ;-) |
| 11:50.04 | jonwil | All the phones with native code SDKs (iphone, windows mobile, symbian, brew etc) are cripped |
| 11:50.21 | ghane2 | p3t3r__: great page btw, written in a completely un-understandable language ;-) |
| 11:50.40 | ghane2 | jonwil: symbian and windows mobile isnt that crippled actually |
| 11:50.48 | p3t3r__ | ghane2: sure, that 's the problem. I assume nobody really tried to hack it yet. On Universal status: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalStatus ... but wifi doesn't run yet that well... it's still WIP |
| 11:51.11 | jonwil | I do know that for symbian, you need to have your app signed if you want to do anything usefull |
| 11:51.18 | ghane2 | p3t3r__: ok, well i dont really care anymore, since i dont have any htc devices |
| 11:51.21 | ghane2 | jonwil: no you dont ;-) |
| 11:51.28 | ghane2 | jonwil: you can do selfsigning |
| 11:51.37 | p3t3r__ | ghane2: yeah... french... I always use Google to translate it into english ;) |
| 11:51.56 | ghane2 | p3t3r__: they just refuse to learn english there :( |
| 11:52.23 | jonwil | can you selfsign an app that can then run on any compatible device? |
| 11:52.31 | ghane2 | jonwil: yes |
| 11:52.33 | jonwil | ok |
| 11:52.43 | p3t3r__ | ghane2: they are the "grande nation", they don't have to. but if you ask something on english, they are kind enough to answer |
| 11:52.56 | ghane2 | jonwil: its only when you need special capabilities that you need real signing |
| 11:53.33 | jonwil | like what capabilites? |
| 11:54.01 | ghane2 | jonwil: access to some network stuff i think, get IMEI numbers, access restricted areas of the filesystem |
| 11:54.30 | ghane2 | but you can do quite much on them anyway, just that you need signing to disable annoying security dialogs |
| 11:54.46 | jonwil | oh and btw, I dont consider "you need a signature from symbian to do certain special things" the same as "open" |
| 11:54.49 | jonwil | Its open to a degree |
| 11:54.54 | jonwil | but its not open enough for my taste |
| 11:55.10 | ghane2 | p3t3r__: ya the "engineering people" knows english, but their taxi drivers dont :) |
| 11:55.11 | jonwil | FIC phone is open |
| 11:55.12 | p3t3r__ | windows mobile is nice :/ |
| 11:55.26 | p3t3r__ | ;) |
| 11:55.33 | jonwil | uses as little Microshit software as he can get away with |
| 11:55.35 | ghane2 | jonwil: no its not open, but its not that crippled, you can do quite much with the symbian devices |
| 11:55.43 | jonwil | true |
| 11:56.14 | ghane2 | I know we could access the hardware AMR codec without signing on symbian devices when i worked with them |
| 11:56.35 | ghane2 | but that was Series 60 2nd edition and UIQ2 (no signing at all) |
| 11:56.42 | p3t3r__ | doesn't like to use Microsoft software as well, but if you compare to other platforms (iPhone, etc..) it is quite open - there should be more free software for windows mobile... ;) |
| 11:56.46 | ghane2 | i think we did the same on 3rd edition and UIQ3 with just selfsigning |
| 11:57.10 | ghane2 | agrees with p3t3r__, the wince devices are usually quite open |
| 11:58.03 | jonwil | still, I guess the issue with an "open" phone is the carriers. |
| 11:58.30 | jonwil | I am sure that if it was possible, AT&T would have banned the FIC Neo by now (because it can do a whole pile of stuff the carriers would rather phones not be able to do) |
| 11:58.57 | p3t3r__ | well, they are able to ban phones by IMEI |
| 11:59.45 | jonwil | The good thing about GSM is that you can use any phone you like (certainly any FCC certified phone) |
| 12:00.25 | ghane2 | in sweden we are allowed to use prototypes in the public networks as well |
| 12:00.46 | jonwil | same is probobly true in US and elsewhere |
| 12:01.02 | ghane2 | i know that was banned in japan or was it china, since they did some testing of the devices in sweden instead |
| 12:01.31 | ghane2 | of one of the GSM/3G phones developed in japan |
| 12:01.33 | p3t3r__ | in germany some prototypes are blocked (old Siemens one, some are just unable to send SMS, others don't work at all) |
| 12:01.47 | p3t3r__ | but it depends on operators |
| 12:02.22 | ghane2 | p3t3r__: but that could usually be the manufactorer that doesnt want the phones to be used anymore too |
| 12:02.28 | p3t3r__ | ghane2: might be japan, NTTDoCoMo is very "restrictive" |
| 12:02.54 | ghane2 | p3t3r__: i know it was developed in japan, but i think there was some relation to china as well |
| 12:03.10 | ghane2 | p3t3r__: at least we had polish guys sitting here in sweden and testing the phone |
| 12:03.13 | ghane2 | :) |
| 12:04.27 | ghane2 | jonwil: lol, i was going to transfer all my magx files from my laptop to my workstation, it was over 1.4 gigs :) |
| 12:04.49 | p3t3r__ | ghane2: that's funny |
| 12:08.15 | jonwil | I know someone who did some work for a phone maker a few years ago and they said that they hated DoCoMo work. |
| 12:08.32 | jonwil | something about the wierd propriatory crap DoCoMo use |
| 12:08.56 | jonwil | btw ghane, what makes your magx fileset so large? |
| 12:08.57 | ghane2 | i-Mode and stuff? |
| 12:09.16 | jonwil | something called FOMA whatever that is |
| 12:09.22 | jonwil | but yes i-Mode is garbage too |
| 12:09.28 | ghane2 | jonwil: its just a lot of stuff, apparantly its all the sourcecode from all Moto's linux phones :) |
| 12:09.29 | jonwil | as is something called DoJa |
| 12:09.35 | jonwil | aah ok |
| 12:10.04 | jonwil | btw, my first ever phone was an e378i |
| 12:10.06 | ghane2 | ouch and the whole openezx trunk |
| 12:10.25 | jonwil | which is basically the same phone as the e375 only with i-Mode |
| 12:10.45 | jonwil | and it was a piece of garbage (even for a Moto) |
| 12:10.46 | p3t3r__ | will have to buy two more SD cards |
| 12:11.05 | flyhorse|linux | 0.o |
| 12:11.38 | p3t3r__ | want's to test many images and doesn't want to loose his working GPE on universal all the time ;) |
| 12:14.18 | jonwil | The #1 reason DoJa is crap is that its almost impossible to load DoJa software onto the phone |
| 12:14.53 | ghane2 | jonwil: i found a post you made |
| 12:15.00 | jonwil | where? |
| 12:15.05 | ghane2 | jonwil: on modmymoto |
| 12:15.20 | jonwil | what post was that? |
| 12:15.26 | ghane2 | jonwil: just a small thing that annoys me, please name the files with version number :) |
| 12:15.41 | ghane2 | the one about magxjb version 0.9 is out |
| 12:16.25 | ghane2 | its so hard to keep track of what files that is downloaded otherwise |
| 12:16.34 | jonwil | heh lol |
| 12:16.43 | jonwil | right now there is only a 0.9 |
| 12:16.49 | ghane2 | yes but later on |
| 12:17.00 | jonwil | there shouldnt be a need for a new release in the immediate future unless bugs are found |
| 12:17.12 | ghane2 | i know you had two updates on the flash-tools.tar.gz |
| 12:17.37 | jonwil | hmmm, yeah |
| 12:17.50 | ao2 | hi p3t3r__, about A910, still have to sort out why MMC does not work. as you may remember wifi card is detected fine, but I can't set a ssid yet, and usblan works so nfsroot does as well... that remind me to update the status page, I will do that in the afternoon |
| 12:17.57 | ghane2 | think i downloaded both, and now i dont know which one is what |
| 12:21.00 | p3t3r__ | ao2: hi, ok, just wanted to to know what's up with openezx for A910 (as I was unable to mix up A910i get-os extractions with A910 flashfile and flash it to phone successfully yet |
| 12:21.05 | p3t3r__ | ) |
| 12:21.27 | ghane2 | jonwil: btw, where is the table you talked about that could be modified without affecting the signatures? what offset in the files? |
| 12:22.00 | jonwil | Have a look at ramdld-fix, that has all the information about it |
| 12:22.11 | jonwil | ramdld-fix.c |
| 12:22.12 | ghane2 | ok |
| 12:22.19 | ghane2 | thanks |
| 12:24.52 | ghane2 | jonwil: just found that there was a fixloader in the openezx too ;) |
| 12:25.19 | jonwil | didnt know that |
| 12:25.45 | ghane2 | in trunk/src/host/ezxflash/fixloader |
| 12:25.53 | ghane2 | probably there is some tools you should have a look at |
| 12:27.14 | jonwil | I dont know if that fixloader would apply to magx |
| 12:27.20 | jonwil | the ramdownloaders are probobly different |
| 12:27.27 | jonwil | given the differences in the bootloader |
| 12:27.31 | jonwil | what with MBM and all |
| 12:27.34 | ghane2 | yes i mean just for reference |
| 12:27.40 | jonwil | hmmm yeah |
| 12:27.44 | ghane2 | they probably uses the same commandset |
| 12:28.02 | jonwil | although from taking a quick look, fixloader doesnt look like it would have helped me out at all |
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